[07:04] <nuvo> mornings
[07:07] <superfly> hi nuvo
[07:25] <Kilos> morning superfly and all of ya thats online
[07:31] <Kilos> i have my own repo of karmic at /media/2G/mav-update. how do i tell this new maverick install to look there for the updates please?
[07:32] <Kilos> not karmic sorry. maverick
[07:33] <Kilos> i cant get cp /media/2G/mav-update to copy everything to /var/cache/apt/archives
[07:34] <Kilos> last try was from libnautilus and this one is from libparted. everything before that doesnt copy
[07:37] <Kilos> i cant do sudo apt-get upgrade online i dont have bandwidth to spare
[07:38] <Kilos> or is there a way i can point apt-get upgrade to the flash drive
[07:43] <Kilos> the command i use to cp is sudo cp -r /media/2G/mav-update/* /var/cache/apt/archives but it copies nothing before libp...
[07:46] <Kilos> is this a maverick thing? the same command worked kiff with karmic
[08:07] <inetpro> Kilos: post the output of the following on pastebin: ls -la /media/2G/mav-update /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:10] <Kilos> ty inetpro  good morning
[08:11] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21l6qwzMy
[08:11] <Kilos> root the boss of everything
[08:13] <inetpro> hmm... that didn't help much
[08:13] <inetpro> would be different with ls -la /media/2G/mav-update/* /var/cache/apt/archives/*
[08:14] <Kilos> ok sec
[08:14] <inetpro> hang on
[08:14] <inetpro> that list is way to long 
[08:14] <inetpro> pointless
[08:15] <inetpro> ls -ld /media/2G/mav-update/ /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:15] <superfly> I wonder if the number of packages is just too much for cp ?
[08:15] <superfly> remember that * is expanded by bash
[08:15] <inetpro> superfly: right
[08:15] <superfly> maybe use xargs or something
[08:15] <inetpro> or rather stick to rsync
[08:16] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20WwEwtKa
[08:16] <Kilos> oops
[08:19] <Kilos> thats only three lines must i paste it still?
[08:19] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21uLECPLF
[08:20] <inetpro> Kilos: nee man
[08:20] <inetpro> :-)
[08:21] <Kilos> hehe die maverick maak my moeg
[08:21] <Kilos> en dis so lekker
[08:21] <inetpro> Kilos: ek dink nie jou probleem lê by maverick nie
[08:22] <inetpro> Kilos: as superfly mentioned, you have to many files in the folder
[08:22] <Kilos> those commands work perfect with karmic can do a clean install and upgrade with no downloading at all
[08:23] <Kilos> its 913m
[08:23] <inetpro> Kilos: find /media/2G/mav-update/ -type f | wc -l
[08:23] <Kilos> but the command to to flash worked fine
[08:24] <Kilos> says 1109
[08:24] <Owkkuri> I know it's a bit of a hack, but what about doing the copy incrementally?
[08:25] <Owkkuri> say a* b* c* etc
[08:25] <inetpro> in fact the number of files are not even necessarily the only problem but even the combined length of file names
[08:25] <Kilos> can i rsync from the flash to /var/cache/apt/archives
[08:26] <inetpro> Kilos: rsync /media/2G/mav-update/ /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:26] <Kilos> ok i try that ty
[08:27] <Kilos> no * after mav-update/
[08:28] <Kilos> skipping directory .
[08:28] <Kilos> eish
[08:28] <Kilos> forgot sudo
[08:28] <inetpro> Kilos: you need to understand what * means
[08:28] <Kilos> i try again
[08:28] <Kilos> oh
[08:30] <Kilos> miles@P4:~$ sudo rsync /media/2G/mav-update/ /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:30] <inetpro> Kilos: * is just a shortcut for typing cp SourceDir/file1 SourceDir/file2/ SourceDir/filen DestinationDir/
[08:30] <Kilos> skipping directory .
[08:30] <Kilos> eish
[08:31] <Kilos> oh not all files and folders
[08:31] <Kilos> is there a all files and folders command on linux
[08:32] <inetpro> Kilos: yes all files in the specified folder but it's like typing out every single file on one line
[08:32] <Kilos> ok
[08:32] <inetpro> the shell does the expansion for you before it start copying
[08:32] <Kilos> miles@P4:~$ sudo rsync /media/2G/mav-update/ /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:33] <Kilos> skipping directory .
[08:33] <Kilos> why?
[08:33] <inetpro> hmm...
[08:34] <Kilos> we forgot the -av
[08:34] <Kilos> i had to get my notes
[08:34] <Kilos> hehe
[08:35] <Kilos> i see if that helps
[08:36] <Kilos> there we go its doing something
[08:36] <inetpro> Kilos: you can leave -v unless you want to see everything while it's happening
[08:36] <Kilos> will take 15 mins or so
[08:36]  * zerlgi waves
[08:36] <Kilos> better to see
[08:36] <Kilos> hi zerlgi 
[08:36] <inetpro> Kilos: sometimes to much to see
[08:36] <inetpro> errors is what you need to see
[08:37] <Kilos> its fine it is now copying everything
[08:37] <Kilos> how do you just see errors and not everything 
[08:39] <inetpro> Kilos: leave -v out of it
[08:39] <inetpro> just -a
[08:39] <inetpro> Kilos: read the man page... man rsync
[08:40] <Kilos> hehe. i did all of the upgrading on my 20g for maverick with gdebi one file at a time
[08:40] <Kilos> took a week
[08:40] <inetpro> Kilos: -a is actually -rlptgoD
[08:40] <Kilos> lotsa times had to go find the dependanies first then come back
[08:41] <Kilos> -rlptgoD ?
[08:41] <inetpro> Kilos: man rsync
[08:41] <Kilos> oh ty will get there once stuff installed
[08:42] <Kilos> still just the basic installation here
[08:42] <Kilos> ty very much guys
[08:42] <inetpro> Kilos: man pages are installed on the basic installation
[08:42] <Kilos> ah
[08:43] <inetpro> you can start another session and read while it's copying
[08:43] <Kilos> didnt think of rsync. cp worked too well on karmic
[08:43] <Kilos> will do ty
[08:44] <inetpro> Kilos: cp would also have worked without the *
[08:44] <Kilos> eish now you tell me
[08:44] <Kilos> hehe
[08:45] <Kilos> maybe i stick to rsync in the future
[08:46] <inetpro> Kilos: let me rephrase
[08:46] <inetpro> Kilos: cp could also have worked without the * and with a different approach
[08:46] <Kilos> ok
[08:47]  * inetpro loves rsync
[08:47] <Kilos> eish
[08:47] <Kilos> yeah i gonna stay with it now
[08:47] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[08:47]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:48] <Kilos> just would be nice to understand why the command works with karmic but not maverick
[08:48] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:48] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[08:49] <Kilos> Maaz, with cremora
[08:49] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[08:49] <Kilos> Maaz, and milk
[08:49] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[08:49] <Kilos> Maaz, and sugar
[08:49] <Maaz> Do something yourself Kilos
[08:49] <inetpro> Kilos: you number of files may just have increased?
[08:50] <Kilos> i will stick with rsync in the future i think
[08:50] <Kilos> ty very much inetpro 
[08:50] <Kilos> been a long hard expensive month
[08:51] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[08:52] <inetpro> Maaz: thanks
[08:52] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay :-)
[08:52] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie baie
[08:52] <Maaz> Geniet jou koppie boeretroos Kilos
[08:53] <inetpro> Kilos: could also be that some environment variables have changed between karmic and maverick
[08:53] <Kilos> yeah 958m now
[08:53] <Kilos> but all there
[08:53] <Kilos> i am so happy
[08:54] <Kilos> gracias amigo
[08:54] <Kilos> now i can do a sudo apt-get upgrade offline
[08:56] <Kilos> inetpro, if i add --delete at the end will it then remove the old files it always want to update
[08:58] <Kilos> the update manager always wants to update with old linux headers etc
[08:58] <Kilos> like 130m of old stuff
[08:59] <inetpro> Kilos: --delete in your case will delete all files and folders that are in /media/2G/mav-update/ but not in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[09:01] <inetpro> Kilos: not always a good idea
[09:01] <Kilos> oh
[09:01] <Kilos> goodness me that no good
[09:01] <inetpro> Kilos: especially if you have updated after the archive was copied
[09:01] <Kilos> i leave apt-get to sort it out then
[09:02] <inetpro> Kilos: yep
[09:02] <Kilos> apt-get autoremove
[09:02] <Kilos> dankie baie swaar
[09:02] <inetpro> Kilos: np
[09:03] <Kilos> see you all later. i go offline to upgrade
[09:03] <inetpro> Kilos: why go offline?
[09:04] <Kilos> i am scared it steals even 10m data
[09:04] <inetpro> hmm... it should ask
[09:04] <Kilos> gotta stretch 250m as far as possible
[09:05] <inetpro> ok
[09:05] <Kilos> i not gonna take the chance it doesn't ask
[09:05] <Kilos> later then . have a good day and thanks alot
[09:06] <inetpro> Kilos: bye
[11:24]  * drubin hands charlvn some interwebs
[13:58] <afrodeity> Ooo decided to not have page sliders, oh bother
[13:59] <afrodeity> mission critical application
[14:00] <afrodeity> nearly kicked my monitor screen in because of combo of mouse gestures, and stupid popups interfering in an editing process
[14:01] <afrodeity> person who invented mouse gestures and predictive text should be shot
[14:07] <afrodeity> maaz: google evil programming
[14:07] <Maaz> afrodeity: "Most Evil Programming Language? - WebDeveloper.com" http://www.webdeveloper.com/forum/showthread.php?t=210832 :: "C++ is EVIL, it's the computer language of SATAN ! ! !" http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t286485-c-is-evil-its-the-computer-language-of-satan.html :: "Program optimization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_optimization :: "language agnostic - Evil programming practices - St
[14:09] <afrodeity> meanwhile my google doc is shredding a clean text about to go to print, and I getting 'trying to reach google.com" message, aaargh
[14:10] <afrodeity> kilos: tell marcog that google.com and google docs needs to increase the buffer for large documents
[14:11] <afrodeity> oops that should be directed at maaz
[14:11] <afrodeity> maaz: tell marcog that google.com and google docs needs to increase the buffer for large documents
[14:11] <Maaz> afrodeity: Sure, I'll tell marcog on freenode
[14:15] <queery> mazz coffee on
[14:16] <queery> maaz coffee on
[14:16]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[14:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for queery!
[14:21] <queery> Maaz thanx
[14:21] <Maaz> queery: Sorry...
[14:21] <queery> Maaz thank you
[14:21] <Maaz> queery: No problem
[15:00] <queery>  quick reminder: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/738/detail/
[15:30] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[15:30]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[15:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[15:34] <Kilos> Maaz, thank you
[15:34] <Maaz> Kilos: No problem
[15:50] <fwolff> For those interested in contributing to the upcoming GNOME 3:  http://translate.org.za/blogs/friedel/content/vertaalmaraton-vir-gnome-3
[15:50] <fwolff> Summary in English: http://translate.org.za/blogs/friedel/en/content/translatethon-gnome-3
[18:21]  * Symmetria starts throwing some high packet per second bandwidth tests around
[18:21] <Symmetria>   30 second output rate 4606321000 bits/sec, 416762 packets/sec
[18:21] <Symmetria> LOL
[20:17] <Owkkuri> Symmetria: is that 4.6gbps?