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valoriepackaging experts - we are getting lots of requests for backporting Amarok 2.4 to Lucid00:23
valorieany possibility of that happening?00:23
valorieone of our guys tried to do it in a PPA, but wasn't successful00:23
claydohvalorie: I get the same requests00:31
claydohRiddell: working on it, what part of the new language seletion stuff is new, need a graphic00:32
claydohvalorie: it shouldn't be hard, unless there is some library that can't be upgraded in lucid00:34
valoriethat would be lovely00:34
* claydoh was going to look at it, but is a poor packager00:34
valorieto whom should I send cookies?00:35
claydohall of them :)00:35
valoriehaha, that will have to wait until UDS00:36
valorieis there somewhere to add that request on the wiki, or something?00:41
JontheEchidnaclaydoh: now it's in System Settings: http://i.imgur.com/sOGdU.png00:42
claydohthere may be a reason for not having one, 00:42
claydohJontheEchidna: you da man thankyothankyouthankyou00:43
claydohnever had to change languages before00:43
valorieI'll write to the kub-dev list and ask there00:43
claydohvalorie: that sounds best, actually00:49
valorieemail sent; off to dinner01:10
nixternalwhy are people still using lucid?01:23
JontheEchidnaThere's that whole LTS thing01:24
nixternalahh, forgot about that01:24
nixternal!info amarok lucid01:25
ubottuamarok (source: amarok): easy to use media player based on the KDE 4 technology platform. In component main, is optional. Version 2:2.3.0-0ubuntu4 (lucid), package size 5562 kB, installed size 22056 kB01:25
ScottKThat an Intel sucks on Maverick.01:25
nixternalno comments on that01:25
nixternalintel only sucks on *buntu, which i don't even care to dig into anymore01:25
nixternalactually, i think it is sucking on my debian box too01:26
claydohmy intel doesn't seem to suck, but I have not run anything but Natty on my new-used dell02:04
claydohother than vista that is02:04
claydohand that was only for a day or 202:05
claydohScottK: is bug 634664 still valid for alpha3? and are there any other significant ones to mention?02:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 634664 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Updates not downloaded during install when selected and internet is available" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63466402:08
ScottKclaydoh: Dunno.  It's been awhile since I did an install.02:16
nixternalclaydoh: i just installed yesterday or the day before, and the updates installed. that was using a live cd latest release, and it grabbed like 13 updates iirc02:30
claydohnixternal: well then i'll leave the known issues blank for now02:37
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nigelbapachelogger / shadeslayer: ping05:14
nigelbif I were to start qt development on ubuntu, what pakcages do I need to install?05:15
yofelqt4-dev-tools and qtcreator would be a good start05:52
nigelbI just did an install of qtcreator05:54
nigelbI figure it will pull all the right deps05:54
yofelthe dependency list looks fine, so that should give you everything yes05:55
nigelbw00t, thanks :)05:55
nigelband here I am gettign converted to qt and kde step by step05:55
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c2tarungood morning :)08:36
bambeeI guess that the following patch can be accepted but UNRELEASED ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/574871/08:42
bambeeI mean it can be accepted as a simple bugfixes ? I don't think so.. but I prefer ask08:43
c2tarunbambee: I think dep3 tags with patches would be a good option :)08:47
bambeedep3 ?08:48
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about dep308:48
c2tarunbambee: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/08:49
Riddellbambee: dep 3 doesn't apply there, that's for patches which live in the packaging 09:54
Riddellbambee: what does this patch do?09:54
bambeebasically: apply is clickable only when a "component" is clicked and not on item changed (it was confusing)09:55
bambeecomponents are clickable ONLY when they are available and not installed yet09:56
bambeeif the component is installable it's checked but disabled (in grey)09:56
bambees/installable/installed/ (sorry)09:56
kubotubambee meant: "if the component is installed it's checked but disabled (in grey)"09:56
bambeeI also add tooltips on checkboxes  :  for disabled checkboxes there is a "not available component", for checked checkboxes there is a "already installed component" and for not checked checkbox there is a "not installed component"09:58
bambeethat all09:58
bambeeso basically: it's less confusing :)09:58
bambeeRiddell: just try it, you will find a difference :)09:59
bambee(ps: all these details are summarised in the changelog)10:00
bambeealso try the following thing:  click a language, then check a checkbox... then uncheck it... apply is reverted :)10:05
Riddellsorry busy with alpha 3 now10:05
Riddellwill get to it sometime today10:05
bambeeI understand10:06
Riddellshadeslayer: yo, what it your conf.kde.in tutorial going to cover?11:06
shadeslayerRiddell: the 45 minute talk? or the workshop?11:07
shadeslayerbecause there is a bit of a issue wrt the workshop11:07
shadeslayerthey only have fedora systems there :(11:07
nigelbRiddell: when are you landing here again?11:07
Riddellshadeslayer: both11:08
Riddellshadeslayer: can I recommend ec2? :)11:08
Riddellnigelb: monday night11:08
Riddellbut I've no idea what happens then11:08
shadeslayerRiddell: i could make them ssh into my machine, much faster that way11:08
nigelbok, I should plan to get back to bangalore soonish then11:08
shadeslayereverything is already set up here11:09
nigelbshadeslayer: are we all meeting for dinner some day?11:09
Riddellshadeslayer: why not just set up an ec2 machine for each person?11:09
shadeslayernigelb: sure11:09
shadeslayerRiddell: works for me11:09
shadeslayerthis gives me a idea11:09
shadeslayeryofel: let's write neonbuild11:10
nigelbuse screen and let everyone see what you're doing? ;)11:10
shadeslayernigelb: what's the fun in that :P11:10
shadeslayerpeople don't learn if they don't make mistakes11:10
nigelbI may attend only the workshops11:11
Riddellshadeslayer: we can work out a script to set up machines given people's launchpad id11:11
Riddellnigelb: what should I do a workshop on?11:11
nigelbRiddell: ooh.  Getting started with QT? Or something to do with packaging?11:12
RiddellI'm down to do a getting started with PyKDE one, but there are two other PyQt workshops11:12
Riddellbut I think packaging is being covered by shadeslayer no?11:12
nigelbhow about a c++ one?11:12
nigelbqt with c++ that is11:12
shadeslayerRiddell: packaging nightly builds yes11:12
Riddellshadeslayer: how much does that cover normal packaging?11:13
shadeslayerRiddell: no script is required, just install the PPA11:13
nigelba debian packaging session for your app would go a long way11:13
Riddellso I could cover writing a simple pyKDE app and getting it packaged and into kubuntu?11:14
nigelb\o/ WIN11:14
Riddellshadeslayer: or does that overlap with you too much?11:15
shadeslayerRiddell: well ..... it covers some debian files, the most important ones, you could do something like a advanced packaging session11:15
shadeslayerRiddell: nah ... should be fine11:15
shadeslayeri'd attend it ... i've never handled a python package11:16
nigelbshadeslayer: you still don't know where your staying right?11:16
shadeslayernigelb: yeah :(11:16
shadeslayerpradeepto sent me a survey thingy11:16
shadeslayerbut no news on accomodation yet11:17
Riddellhe told me something11:17
Riddellhmm, lost it now11:17
Riddellsome hotel a bus ride away from the place11:17
RiddellI hope pradeepto gets back to me today, I'm going to England tomorrow and may not have internet access until I arrive in India11:18
nigelbI have quite a ride to the place :|11:18
nigelbProbably an hour to get there.  At least.11:19
nigelband don't even talk to me about getting back, that'd be far worse11:19
Riddellug commuting, I'm so glad I don't live in a big city11:20
shadeslayernigelb: yeah i think me and sidharth will book a taxi when we go back11:20
nigelbshadeslayer: please do, its worth it11:22
nigelbAlso of note: autos are not allowed inside the airport.11:22
shadeslayeroh oh oh11:24
shadeslayerRiddell: you should totaly ride one11:24
shadeslayerRiddell: 3 wheeler vehicles11:24
shadeslayerkubotu: google indian autos11:24
kubotuResults for indian autos: 1. Auto rickshaw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_rickshaw | 2. Indian Autos Blog | Indian Automobile Blog | Auto News India | Car ...: http://indianautosblog.com/ | 3. Another Tata Nano bursts into flames! | Indian Autos blog: http://indianautosblog.com/2010/03/another-tata-nano-bursts-into-flames11:24
RiddellI used to be a rickshaw driver before my Kubuntu days, back then we had to paddle of course, none of this motor stuff11:25
shadeslayerwell .. there are tonga's for that11:26
shadeslayermore popular in bengal tho11:26
nigelbyeah, none of that in Bangalore11:26
* shadeslayer checks the weather in bengaluru11:26
nigelbits hot :|11:27
shadeslayer31 oC11:27
shadeslayerit's 11 oC here11:27
shadeslayernigelb: humid?11:27
shadeslayer.. thank god it's not humid11:27
shadeslayerHumidity: 7%11:27
nigelbshadeslayer: for me its dry, coming from north ymmy11:28
nigelbRight now, I'm in Kerala, 100% humidiy :|11:28
shadeslayernigelb: it's 88 % here11:28
nigelbbut its cold11:28
nigelbits hot and humid for me11:28
RiddellI should pack light clothes and sun cream I think11:28
shadeslayerRiddell: yep11:29
nigelberr, night times can be colder in Bangalore btw11:29
shadeslayeri see ... 16oC as a low11:29
nigelblows are 14 to 1811:29
RiddellBBC says night is 16°C  that's still t-shirt and shorts weather11:29
nigelboh, well11:30
shadeslayerand right now i'm in jeans and a shirt in 11 oC11:30
tazzRiddell, pack light.11:32
tazzRiddell, first visit to india ?11:32
Riddelltazz: yes11:32
tazzRiddell, stock up on some russel peters videos for the plain ride... Seriously. You'll thank me when you land in India.11:33
shadeslayeryofel: around?11:34
tazzrussell peters*sorry...11:34
Riddelltazz: who?11:34
tazzRiddell, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5jlrxcpkI this guy.11:34
shadeslayerjust for suggesting Russell peters11:35
tazzthats very much what india is like really...11:35
tazznigelb, erm... wrong channel ? Some places its actually considered spamming :p11:36
RiddellAmerican standup?11:36
shadeslayerRiddell: and prepare to be fleeced :P11:36
shadeslayerand prepare to bargain like hell11:36
nigelbtazz: nah, right channel ;)11:36
tazzRiddell, canadian Standup to be knitpicking :p11:37
kubotutazz meant: "Riddell, canadian Standup to be nitpicking :p"11:37
RiddellI'm going to Birmingham tomorrow, so I'll be able to compare who does a better Chicken Tikka Masala, English or Indians :)11:38
jussiHrm, is it still a bug that Im getting no redrawing sometimes on intel (screen artifacts)11:38
shadeslayerjussi: try raster11:39
shadeslayermaybe that helps11:39
shadeslayer( altho it probably won't )11:39
shadeslayerRiddell: we would want amarok 2.4 to go into kubuntu updates right?11:39
shadeslayersince everyone is using a LTS release11:39
shadeslayervalorie: ^^11:39
Riddellshadeslayer: no, backports11:40
shadeslayerah ok11:40
Riddelllucid-backports if possible11:41
c2tarunWhile installing build-dependencies for kdenetwork on maverick I got E: Broked packages. Why so?11:41
shadeslayerwell .... i'll try for lucid backports first then11:41
shadeslayerbackporting from natty11:41
c2tarunhere is the complete log while installing the build-dep for kdenetwork http://paste.kde.org/6283/11:42
Riddellc2tarun: check if  sudo apt-get -f install   is happy11:43
c2tarunRiddell: not working :(11:44
Riddellc2tarun: what's it saying?11:45
c2tarunRiddell: same error check this error log http://paste.kde.org/6283/11:45
Riddellthat's not   sudo apt-get -f install11:46
c2tarunRiddell: error was same so I refered to that log, http://paste.kde.org/6284/ here is the log for -f11:46
jussishadeslayer: how exactly do I "try raster"?11:48
shadeslayerjussi: one sec :)11:48
Riddellc2tarun: no, run just "sudo apt-get -f install"11:48
shadeslayerjussi: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KCM+Qt+Graphics+System?content=12981711:49
shadeslayerapachelogger made a nice app11:49
c2tarunRiddell: http://paste.kde.org/6285/11:49
Riddellc2tarun: apt-cache policy libkio511:50
shadeslayerO_O http://paste.kde.org/628611:50
c2tarunRiddell: http://paste.kde.org/6287/11:52
shadeslayerah better now11:53
* shadeslayer removed the PPA11:53
jussishadeslayer: do you know if he debianised it at all? 11:53
shadeslayerjussi: nope .. you'll have to compile it11:53
Riddellc2tarun: "500 https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ninjas/ppa/ubuntu/ natty/main i386 Packages"  notice anything wrong there?11:54
shadeslayerthere are instructions in there :D11:54
shadeslayerjussi: it's fairly simple to compile it11:54
jussishadeslayer: Id rather not be compiling stuff on the work lappy, thats all11:54
c2tarunRiddell: ahh... that username and password is missing :( sorry11:54
shadeslayerah ..11:54
shadeslayerjussi: ok lemme see if i can make a deb11:55
Riddellc2tarun: more that you're installing natty packages on maverick11:55
jussishadeslayer: 64 bit please :)11:55
shadeslayeroh goody11:55
jussishadeslayer: and thank you :)11:55
shadeslayerjussi: this just became easier :D11:55
shadeslayersure no problem11:56
shadeslayerjussi: is it a particular app or the whole desktop btw?11:56
jussishadeslayer: whole desktop11:57
shadeslayerbecause you can launch plasma with : plasma-desktop -graphicssystem raster ....11:57
shadeslayerjussi: ^^ try : kquitapp plasma-desktop; plasma-desktop -graphicssystem raster 11:57
shadeslayeroh lookie11:57
shadeslayeramarok is compiling11:57
c2tarunRiddell: fixed it :) and very sorry for such silly mistake :(11:58
jussishadeslayer: it seemed to restart plasma but gave http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/574936/11:58
jussimind, everything seems much faster now11:59
shadeslayerjussi: did plasma startup?11:59
jussiand desktop effects appear to actually work11:59
shadeslayerthat's all we want :P11:59
shadeslayerjussi: artifacts?11:59
jussiI havent seen any artifacts since the plasma restart and speed is better12:00
shadeslayeryeah raster has that effect :P12:00
shadeslayerjussi: now imagine this one *every* kde app12:00
shadeslayerthis is just plasma ... you can use it with every app :)12:00
jussishadeslayer: heh12:01
shadeslayerjussi: do you have lucid?12:02
jussishadeslayer: no12:02
shadeslayerhttp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kcm-qt-graphicssystem/ <<12:02
shadeslayeri see some binaries there12:02
apacheloggerRiddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/725959 blasts every Qt app on my natty netbook sky high12:03
ubottuUbuntu bug 725959 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "libqt4 4:4.7.1-0ubuntu10, 11 and 12 produce segfault in VirtualBox (libqtgui4)" [Medium,Fix committed]12:03
shadeslayeroh oh12:03
shadeslayerjussi: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kcm-qt-graphicssystem12:03
shadeslayerseem's it's debianized 12:03
shadeslayerso anyone have some experience with qt qml designer12:04
apacheloggerScottK: the n900 FTBFS is from our uploads actually12:04
apacheloggeror at least mine ^^12:04
* apachelogger thought we had ABI checks turned out, turns out we did not12:04
ScottKPlease be fixing then.12:05
apacheloggerI do not have my keys on this machine...12:05
apacheloggerScottK: if you have time, you just need to copy the abi stuff in debian.n900 for .2 and .312:05
apacheloggeras we did not change the ABI anyway12:05
ScottKYou need to fix pkg-kde-tools anyway.12:06
apacheloggerprobably depending on gcc-4.4 and conflicting gcc-4.5 should do the trick there12:07
shadeslayerScottK: we have a request for backporting amarok 2.4 to lucid12:08
shadeslayerScottK: i'm working on it, but i'd like to hear your thought's on it12:09
ScottKshadeslayer: You'd need to do maverick too.12:09
shadeslayeryou mean backport to maverick backports first?12:09
ScottKshadeslayer: It can be done at the same time.12:09
shadeslayer( amarok 2.4 is already in the ppa )12:09
shadeslayerfor maverick i mean ^^12:10
apacheloggerScottK: seems the clue with kernel packages is to only n.m increment the revision when doing non-abi changes12:10
shadeslayerok i'll opena bug for that12:10
apacheloggerfrom looking at linux that I gather12:10
ScottKI see.12:10
steveireIs something wrong here: http://dpaste.com/468584/12:10
ScottKsteveire: You should install updates first.  You're missing the libc6 from lucid-updates.  It's not broken as is, your just missing the latest update.12:13
Riddellapachelogger: I'm packaging the new Qt now wi12:16
Riddellth the fix for that12:17
steveireScottK: Thanks.12:18
jussishadeslayer: I think we broked it :D http://imgur.com/qvAEP12:18
ScottKsteveire: You're welcome.12:18
shadeslayerjussi: yeah that can happen 12:19
shadeslayerjussi: probably because not everything is using raster12:19
c2tarunRiddell: hey I saw on ppa page a report that kdeutils failed to build due to unmet dependencies, I build that package yesterday on maverick machine. (there I may have got dependencies by that private ppa) If I was able to build succesfully due to this fact than why are these pacakges from ppa are not in archive?12:19
shadeslayeror is this after installing KCM?12:19
shadeslayers/KCM/the KCM Module12:20
shadeslayerjussi: you use chromium ... i'm disappointed :(12:20
nigelbdarn, you shoulda used lynx ;)12:21
jussishadeslayer: find me a browser that does what I want it to do, as quick and cleanly as chromium and Ill switch12:21
shadeslayermodule "QtQuick" is not installed 12:21
shadeslayerjussi: rekonq? :P12:21
jussishadeslayer: this is after installing the deb you linked to.12:21
shadeslayeror firefox12:21
shadeslayerjussi: uninstall that deb12:21
shadeslayerand install the one from the archives12:21
jussishadeslayer: err? archives? which is (packagename? 12:23
shadeslayerjussi: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kcm-qt-graphicssystem12:23
shadeslayer!find googlemaps.qml12:26
ubottuPackage/file googlemaps.qml does not exist in maverick12:26
Riddellc2tarun: i think that's because kdebase-workspace was not up to date in the archive12:28
Riddellit can probably be retried now12:29
shadeslayerbtw who made that rtorrent UI at UDS?12:30
shadeslayeri don't remember12:30
steveireI started downloading the natty alpha from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/11.04/alpha-2/ and it's coming in at 49kbps. Am I just on a slow mirror?12:33
Riddellshadeslayer: ryan from ars technica12:45
shadeslayeralrighty :)12:45
Riddellsteveire: i think we're all busy rsyncing alpha 3 candidates which might be slowing the server12:45
shadeslayerRiddell: any idea's what his irc nick is?12:46
shadeslayerdude use zsync12:46
Riddellshadeslayer: no.  markey knows12:47
shadeslayeroh ok 12:47
Riddellshadeslayer: what's the difference?12:47
shadeslayerRiddell: zsync downloads only the diff12:47
shadeslayerinstead of the whole file12:47
shadeslayer( dunno how rsync does it )12:47
aland what's the difference to rsync?12:47
shadeslayeral: rsync also downloads the diff?12:48
alyes, but with less overhead12:48
shadeslayeroh .. i thought zsync used lesser overhead12:48
alwell, i'm not entirely sure12:49
albut since the web site states "zsync provides transfers that are nearly as efficient as rsync -z", i guess it's correct12:50
c2tarunRiddell: is this version name correct for kdenetwork 4:4.6.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1?12:50
shadeslayerwell i just follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO12:51
Riddellc2tarun: yes12:51
Guest39611shadeslayer: I broke it (tried opengl), now cant log in - is there some way to revert it from the cli? 12:52
shadeslayerGuest39611: jussi ?12:52
Guest39611shadeslayer: oh. yes12:52
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jussi01Ive tried the failsafe login12:53
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Guest24446I guess its somewhere in a rc file? 12:53
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shadeslayerit's probably in a file12:55
shadeslayer!find qt-graphicssystem.sh12:56
ubottuPackage/file qt-graphicssystem.sh does not exist in maverick12:56
shadeslayerjussi01: echo export QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=native% &> .kde/env/qt-graphicssystem.sh 13:00
shadeslayeror change raster to native in that file13:00
jussishadeslayer: I win :)13:03
shadeslayerRiddell: do i put amarok for lucid in the ninja's ppa or the staging ppa?13:04
jussiIt was letting me login, but noth showing anything but window fromes13:04
jussiso I "guessed" where things were13:04
shadeslayerjussi01: that can happen sometimes13:04
shadeslayerjussi: yeah so raster isn't still finished13:04
Riddellshadeslayer: staging, nothing secret there13:04
Riddellmake sure staging is empty first13:04
shadeslayeryeah doing that 13:05
Riddell** new alpha 3 candidate live CDs for testing 13:06
shadeslayeramarok uploaded to staging13:07
shadeslayertime to tell people13:08
yofelshadeslayer: neonbuild?13:20
shadeslayeryofel: neon + pdebuild13:20
shadeslayersets up a pbuilder for building packages for neon13:20
yofelhm - that's probably doable13:21
yofelI'll put looking at that on my todo list13:21
shadeslayerok :)13:21
shadeslayerScottK: bug 72844713:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 728447 in maverick-backports "Please backport Amarok" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72844713:37
Riddellshadeslayer: were people not wanting lucid?13:40
shadeslayerRiddell: needs to be backported to maverick first13:40
shadeslayer<ScottK> shadeslayer: You'd need to do maverick too.13:41
c2tarunRiddell: can you please take a look at this debdiff http://paste.kde.org/6296/13:57
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Riddellc2tarun: looks fine14:00
c2tarunRiddell: ok, then I'll upload it, and one more question, on ppa page I saw a message that kdeutils failed to build on maverick, its the same which I build yesterday. why so?14:01
bambeehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/574970/  <--- someone has the same crash ? on logout sometimes it crashes randomly14:01
c2tarunRiddell: it says due to unmet dependencies.14:01
Riddellc2tarun: it's waiting on kdebase-workspace, is kdebase-workspace compiled for maverick?14:03
c2tarunRiddell: older version is in maverick, may be kdeutils require a later version14:03
c2tarunRiddell: I think shadeslayer compiled it for mav14:04
shadeslayerwhat happened?14:06
Riddellhttps://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+packages  says kdebase-workspace is in maverick14:06
Riddellc2tarun: so go to https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2296247 and https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2296248 and click retry14:06
yofelshadeslayer: you do realize you can just add a lucid-backports task to that backport request? (IIRC it's fine to backport it to both)14:10
shadeslayeri can? O_O14:11
* shadeslayer does14:11
yofelalso affects project -> lucid-backports14:11
bambee1 871 kB/s :D14:23
* bambee loves university network14:24
ScottKshadeslayer: Don't need to do Maverick first.  Can be done together.14:24
ScottK(and as yofel says)14:24
shadeslayerScottK: yep marked as such :)14:25
ScottKshadeslayer: See the bug.14:27
debfxScottK: we don't need -Wa,-mimplicit-it=thumb anymore, right?14:28
ScottKdebfx: Shouldn't.14:28
Riddellbambee: CD testing?14:29
ScottKAlthough with the current state of using gcc4.4 on Qt I'm not 100% sure.14:29
ScottKdebfx: ^^^14:29
bambeeRiddell: sure :)14:29
debfxI don't think it matters how qt is built14:30
* debfx drops all the crazy hacks from the akonadi package14:31
RiddellI'm away tomorrow, who wants to handle the 4.6.1 release?14:31
shadeslayerScottK: done14:33
ScottKshadeslayer: So you need to backport libindicate-qt also?14:35
shadeslayerno .. builds fine without the version14:35
shadeslayeri mean .. lucid and maverick have that version :)14:36
ScottKlibindicate-qt-dev (>=
ScottKlibindicate-qt-dev | 0.2.5-0ubuntu1 |      maverick | amd64, i38614:37
ScottKshadeslayer: ^^^ Nope.14:37
shadeslayerhuh .. weird14:37
shadeslayerhow did it build then14:37
ScottKYou've got the newer one in the PPA, right?14:37
shadeslayerScottK: i'm wondering how it built for lucid14:38
Riddellc2tarun: will you retry those builds?14:38
ScottKshadeslayer: I don't think libindicate-qt0 and libindicate-qt1 are co-installable.14:39
c2tarunRiddell: i retried them, let me check the status14:39
yofelScottK: libindicate-qt-dev is 0.2.5-0ubuntu1 for lucid and maverick here14:40
yofelrmadison says the same14:40
ScottKshadeslayer made his patch backwards.14:40
c2tarunRiddell: what is actinium virtual?14:40
yofelc2tarun: a build machine on launchpad (running as a virtual machine)14:41
ScottKshadeslayer: Dropping the version requirement is fine.14:41
shadeslayerok ... looks like the version was required just for a rebuild14:41
yofelc2tarun: see https://launchpad.net/builders/14:42
shadeslayeri do so hate debdiff14:42
c2tarunshadeslayer: why?14:43
c2tarunRiddell: a later version of libkonq5-dev is required, maverick has older version14:44
shadeslayerc2tarun: try debdiff'ing a package with a new release and you'll know why :P14:45
yofelc2tarun: you need to backport kdebase first14:47
c2tarunshadeslayer: which package? (I mean) binary or source?14:47
c2tarunyofel: kdebase?14:47
yofelsource kdebase14:47
shadeslayerc2tarun: source14:47
c2tarunyofel: but the error is for libkonq5-dev14:48
yofelc2tarun: libkonq5-dev is binary for source kdebase14:48
yofelc2tarun: see https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1532744/+listing-archive-extra14:48
c2tarunyofel: kdebase and kdebase-workspace are different?14:49
yofelc2tarun: yes14:49
yofelthe naming is a bit confusing, but it's the apps directory from kdebase, workspace and runtime other other 214:49
yofels/other/are the/14:50
kubotuyofel meant: "the naming is a bit confusing, but it's the apps directory from kdebase, workspace and runtime are the other 2"14:50
c2tarunyofel: hmm... how to backport?14:50
yofelsame as for the others, I can take a look at it14:51
c2tarunyofel: sure :)14:51
c2tarunyofel: I am just confirming, backporting means I have to build the natty one on maverick machine and upload it to ppa? 14:52
c2tarunyofel: ok, so are you taking kdebase?14:52
c2tarunyofel: thanks :)14:53
yofelRiddell: are those files really not meant to be installed? http://paste.kde.org/6302 (kdebase) the libkdeinit and manpages are ok, but the rest?15:18
ScottKshadeslayer: Looks good.  I'll take care of it from here.15:19
shadeslayerthanks :)15:19
Riddellyofel: they're all from konq-plugins which shouldn't be in kdebase15:19
bambeeRiddell: done, works fine (still with a virtual machine)15:19
yofelah ok15:19
Riddellyofel: new kdebase tar15:20
Riddelld032fb52e5fdf2eb0b3ab37a7a06eacf  kdebase-4.6.1.tar.bz215:20
Riddellgrab that from ktown, call it 4.6.1a15:20
Riddellupload to natty and maverick15:20
Riddellthanks bambee 15:20
bambeeyou're welcome15:20
yofelRiddell: I'll to that then15:21
yofelRiddell: rebuild kdenetwork too?15:24
Riddellyofel: yes please15:29
Riddellkdeedu as well15:29
yofelwhat was wrong with edu? (or did I loose a mail?)15:31
Riddellyofel: kalgebra linking issue, we have a patch which can be removed15:31
yofeloh that one, ok15:32
Riddellindians: what sort of power sockets do you have?15:32
nigelbRiddell: round15:33
nigelblet me find a picture15:33
nigelbor take one15:33
nigelbRiddell: 220V vtw15:33
kubotunigelb meant: "Riddell: 220V btw"15:34
ScottKshadeslayer and valorie: amarok building now in lucid-backports.15:35
nigelbRiddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~nigelbabu/power.jpg15:36
shadeslayerRiddell: i have some converters lying around15:36
shadeslayerwant me to bring them along?15:36
yofelok, kdebase looks right now, uploading15:37
apacheloggerRiddell: kk15:39
* apachelogger got a new device to play with :D15:39
apacheloggerearlier than expected even15:39
nigelbapachelogger: chrome notebook? :p15:40
apacheloggerwhat would I want that for? 15:40
apacheloggerthough I must say our netbook version needs some UX improvements and serious advertisment15:40
apacheloggernigelb: see facebook15:44
nigelbapachelogger: ooh la la!15:45
shadeslayerapachelogger: looks phat15:45
apacheloggerit is for the movies15:46
shadeslayercan you make calls? :P)15:46
apacheloggerthough it has a mic15:47
apacheloggerand it has speakers15:47
apacheloggerjust needs a phone app ids say15:47
yofelwhy does a phone today need to make calls? you just get an internet flat and some VoIP service15:47
apacheloggerfist things first, googlé apps15:49
apacheloggerScottK: did you already do the kernel?15:49
ScottKapachelogger: Not yet.15:49
* apachelogger is just having tea and will jump at it afterwards15:49
ScottKWas busy fixing backports since shadeslayer can't figure out debdiff.15:49
apacheloggershadeslayer: good job15:50
c2tarunhow can I find packages in kubuntu-ninja ppa that failed to build?15:53
yofelc2tarun: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+packages15:53
yofelc2tarun: you can click on the architectures that failed15:54
* c2tarun wow... seems that only packages uploaded by me fails ;)15:57
yofelc2tarun: only currently :P15:58
c2tarunyofel: yup :) could you please ping me when kdebase is included?15:59
yofelsure, probalby ~20mins15:59
c2tarunyofel: thanks :)16:00
debfxapachelogger: is there a particular reason why we have an apparmor profile for mysqld-akonadi?16:00
shadeslayeroh lp has a url shortning service O_O16:00
apacheloggerdebfx: sure, because it is a fully qualified mysql and thus could be use for all sorts of shit16:01
c2tarunyofel: on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging page its that kdebase is uploaded by some one onto ppa? how come its not there?16:01
yofelkdenetwork uploaded, kdeedu coming16:02
debfxapachelogger: we copy mysqld to mysqld-akonadi at build time so we don't get any mysql security updates16:02
yofelc2tarun: huh? it is there16:02
apacheloggerdebfx: that is what I said... a fully qualified mysql16:02
yofelc2tarun: I uploaded it after all, and it shows it as building here16:02
yofelc2tarun: but it's not built yet16:02
c2tarunyofel: nope, I am not saying about that, see on the page some guy PhilipMuskovac took it and uploaded it to pps16:03
yofelc2tarun: that's me :P16:03
c2tarunyofel: oh :)16:03
c2tarunyofel: yup, one more thing, how come some names are in hyperlink while some are not?16:04
yofelc2tarun: because I have a wiki page under my name, the wiki auto-links that16:05
QuintasanScottK: did we rebuild pyqt with new python?16:06
ScottKQuintasan: Needs to be updated from Debian in any case.16:07
QuintasanScottK: PyQt or Python?16:07
ScottKQuintasan: PyQt4.16:16
debfxapachelogger: copying a binary so it runs in an apparmor profile seems just wrong16:23
yofelc2tarun: kdebase published16:24
debfxapachelogger: maybe we could write a wrapper script that just calls mysqld and create a apparmor profile for that script16:25
Riddellnigelb: your socket has 5 holes!16:25
apacheloggerdebfx: that does not help, the mysql binary would then be locked by apparmor16:26
apacheloggermeaning that its profile would need permissions to write to $HOMES16:26
ScottKdebfx: jdstrand tells it may be possible to get away from this now, but it'd take some research.16:26
apacheloggerwhich is even more wrong16:26
apacheloggerScottK: we should just ignore upstream advise and use sqlite :P16:27
debfxapachelogger: we'd write a subprofile in the wrapper script apparmor profile16:27
apacheloggerI do not compute16:27
apacheloggera profile for what?16:28
debfxapachelogger: something like http://paste.kde.org/6305/16:29
Riddellshadeslayer: you have adaptors from UK to India?16:30
apacheloggerdebfx: it scares the hell out of me, but if you wish to give it a try...16:30
shadeslayerRiddell: probably... 16:30
shadeslayerlemme see16:30
yofelkdeedu uploaded16:32
shadeslayerRiddell: http://i.imgur.com/b9ztX.jpg16:33
Riddellshadeslayer: nifty.  yes that'll do16:34
GrueMasterSo, does anyone in kubuntu have armel hardware to work with?16:35
shadeslayerRiddell: how many do you want?16:36
Riddellshadeslayer: just one16:38
shadeslayerah ok... i'll get this one then16:38
Riddellshadeslayer: but i'd recommend bringing more, other people may not have adapters16:38
shadeslayeri think i have one more lying around that's free16:38
RiddellGrueMaster: ScottK has some machines, agateau has an arm netbook16:38
nigelbRiddell: the 5 is for different types of plugs ;)16:38
Riddellnigelb: different types of plugs....16:39
Riddellwhat sort of different types of plugs?16:39
GrueMasterOk.  Just wanted someone to know that the Alpha 3 image failed to run.  16:39
RiddellGrueMaster: thanks for testing16:39
nigelbRiddell: the 2 pins can be big or small, that's why the 4 sets of holes16:39
shadeslayeryep ^^16:40
shadeslayerbut don't worry16:40
shadeslayerthe one i showed you has only 2 pins at the front16:40
shadeslayerso it'll plug into post of the sockets16:40
nigelbyeah, plug in a convertor and you should be all good16:41
bambeeGrueMaster: which image did you test ?16:42
shadeslayernigelb: btw do you have a spare SD Card?16:42
GrueMasterBoth the 301 and the 303 images on panda.16:42
nigelbshadeslayer: I can look around.  for camera?16:43
shadeslayernigelb: micro sd16:43
bambeeGrueMaster: panda ?16:43
shadeslayernigelb: i have something planned that invlolves Kubuntu and my Phone :P16:43
nigelbouch, no micro sd16:43
shadeslayernigelb: yeah ...16:43
Riddellshadeslayer: Nightrose needs one of your adaptors16:43
shadeslayerRiddell: no problemo16:44
nigelbjust make sure you have at least 216:44
shadeslayeri'll get as many as i can find ... will scavenge on the weekend16:44
Nightroseshadeslayer: what kinda magic to you have?16:44
RiddellNightrose: http://i.imgur.com/b9ztX.jpg16:44
* Nightrose would really love if we could all just use the same...16:45
Riddellyes, the world would be much better if everyone did the sensible thing and used British power sockets16:46
tazzRiddell, you might want to lurk in #kde-in for a week or so :p 16:49
shadeslayeryeah :D16:49
tazzyes and we would all love if the entire world drove on the left hand side too...16:50
debfxapachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/6308/ seems to work fine16:53
shadeslayeri should try this out16:56
shadeslayerover the weekend16:57
markeyRiddell: Ryan Paul == segphault16:59
markeyon IRC16:59
shadeslayerthanks markey16:59
markeyhowever, note that Ars has its own IRC server16:59
markeyhe is not often on Freenode16:59
markeygo to #linux on their server17:00
shadeslayeri'm on the ars irc server too ;]17:00
markeyDrPizza is there too (Peter Bright)17:00
markeyhe is fairly bright17:00
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apacheloggershadeslayer: you should rather port flipping kubuntu mobile to it17:18
apacheloggerdebfx: cool17:18
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shadeslayerapachelogger: i need a 4 GB micro sd card to do that17:24
shadeslayeri don't have one of those17:24
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shadeslayermarkey: there's talk of the N95017:32
shadeslayersudo: aptitude: command not found : for a moment i went wtf17:35
ScottKGrueMaster: I don't have any machines that will (yet) work with a Natty image.17:40
apacheloggeraptitude shall go die17:40
apacheloggershadeslayer: get one then17:40
apacheloggerI did not have one either ^^17:40
* apachelogger wonders how to add a qml to an android apk17:40
shadeslayerapachelogger: the qt install app thing doesn't work17:40
shadeslayernot for me and Quintasan it doesn't17:41
apacheloggershadeslayer: hm?17:41
apacheloggerwhat qt install app?17:41
shadeslayerapachelogger: try installing ministro17:41
apacheloggerworked just fine here17:41
apacheloggerbut my qml does not get installed, or at least it cannot find it at runtime17:41
shadeslayerapachelogger: so you mean to say17:41
shadeslayerthat the app runs, and downloads Qt libs?17:41
apacheloggermy app runs actually17:41
apacheloggerit just doesnt have much of a ui ^^17:41
shadeslayerfor some reason, i can't get it to complete here17:41
apacheloggerjust as I suspected, the qml is not in the apk17:41
apacheloggercause you people have shitty devices, that is why :P17:42
shadeslayerit just quits when trying to search for the libs17:42
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jussishadeslayer: I found a fix - or most of one anyway17:49
shadeslayerkewl :D17:49
jussiNeed to update the intel driver 17:49
jussiit appears much faster now - though cube fails big time. 17:50
jussioh, wait, it works! I just was pressing the erong thing'17:51
shadeslayerjussi: tried from xorg edgers17:52
jussishadeslayer: no, I grabbed from ppa:glasen/intel-driver17:52
jussihrm, how do I add more desktops ?17:53
shadeslayerjussi: xorg edgers is better17:53
shadeslayerjussi: see the desktop switching thingy below17:53
jussishadeslayer: yeah, but they update that loads17:53
shadeslayerright click on that17:53
jussioh lol, thats easy17:53
shadeslayerjussi: use activities17:54
shadeslayerkubotu: google kde activities17:54
kubotuResults for kde activities: 1. How to Use KDE Plasma Activities: http://maketecheasier.com/use-kde-plasma-activities/2010/09/01 | 2. What's KDE Activities? (Page 1) / Applications & Desktop ...: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=72520 | 3. Plasma - KDE UserBase: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma17:54
Riddellyofel: how would you fancy handling the 4.6.1 release tomorrow?18:00
yofelwhat needs to be done?18:01
Riddellyofel: ensure it's been tested for natty and maverick18:01
Riddellcopy maverick packages to kubuntu-ppa/backports18:01
Riddelltest again18:01
Riddellannounce on kubuntu.org18:01
yofelI can do the first parts - but I'm clueless about how to announce it18:02
Riddellah, well you can practice with the alpha 3 announce if you want :)18:02
bambeepolkit-kde-1 crash reported18:04
bambee(additionnal informations and backtrace in attachment)18:04
Riddellyofel: when you see the alpha 3 announce on ubuntu-devel-announce you can publish https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/natty-alpha-318:04
RiddellEdit -> publishing options -> published and promoted to front page18:05
yofelok, just managed to log in (I think..)18:05
Riddellfor 4.6.1 Create Content -> News  copy and paste and update the 4.6.0 story18:06
Riddellyofel: then you need to find someone to upload the packages to natty18:07
apacheloggersamegame is slightly b0rked ^^18:07
RiddellKate Stewart    (  70) [ubuntu-release] Natty Alpha 3 Released!18:07
Riddellyofel: go go publishing!18:07
shadeslayer!find landscape-sysinfo18:07
ubottuFile landscape-sysinfo found in landscape-common18:07
yofelok, let's see..18:08
sheytanHey yo18:09
yofelRiddell: seems to have worked18:09
Riddellyofel: so do you think you can handle 4.6.1 tomorrow?18:10
shadeslayeri can help with that tomorrow18:11
Riddellbambee: language-selector uploaded thanks18:14
yofelI think I'll manage18:15
bambeeRiddell: thanks :)18:15
debfxRiddell: could you have a look at bug #728584 and grant a FFe if required :)18:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 728584 in akonadi (Ubuntu) "Use a wrapper script instead of copying mysqld" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72858418:15
sheytanWill kubuntu natty installer support upgrading?18:16
sheytanlike this https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1LZHwrTTPDA/TW_FFxglw0I/AAAAAAAAZDQ/BQRi3-8bII4/s1600/instaltor.png18:16
* shadeslayer asked that about a day ago18:16
shadeslayeryet to recieve a answer :P18:16
debfxRiddell: jdstrand has reviewed the apparmor bits18:17
Riddelldebfx: approved (in principle, I haven't tested it)18:17
debfxRiddell: do you want to test it before I upload the package?18:18
bambeeapachelogger: around ? just for a technical advise18:20
shadeslayerhe's probably playing with his new tablet18:21
bambeeohhh I did not know that, no problems :)18:21
* yofel gets that akonadi patch into neon18:23
shadeslayeri hear akonadi, patch and neon18:24
shadeslayeryofel: how are we going to maintain a patch against trunk KDE O_O18:24
yofelshadeslayer: erm... we already mess with apparmor there - so can't get worse18:24
shadeslayertrue that18:25
bambeeby the way I propose myself for kde 4.6.1 natty testing18:25
yofelshadeslayer: apparmor is the root of our akonadi issues, can't really do much about it18:25
yofelwell, one of them18:26
yofelbambee: you'll need ninja permissions for that currently18:27
Riddellwe can fix that18:28
Riddellbambee: what's your launchpad username?18:28
bambeeaahhh... effectively...18:28
bambeeRiddell: bambi (remember scrubs :P)18:29
macodoes that show exist in his country?18:29
Riddellonly if you own a telly18:29
shadeslayeroh wow18:29
bambeemaco: sure, scrubs , "how I met your mother" and other great series :)18:29
shadeslayerbambee: even on lp?18:29
shadeslayerbambee: dude we should totally meet18:30
macobut..that's american tv18:30
shadeslayermaco: so?18:30
Riddellbambee: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa18:30
shadeslayerwe have scrubs here too :P18:30
bambeeshadeslayer: sure :)18:30
bambeeshadeslayer: not this UDS... but the next one ?18:30
shadeslayeraltho ... it lags a bit behind the american version18:30
Riddellmaco: apparantly your country is good at exporting its culture18:31
Riddellnow, who wants some Dr Who audio book CDs?18:31
macoRiddell: who would want to import it though?18:31
shadeslayerbambee: yeah .. i can't attend this one too .... but before UDS P i might go to the Desktop Summit :P18:31
shadeslayeraw just audio?18:31
bambeemaco: "that's american tv"... you know you've just to translate it ;)18:31
bambeeit's fun in french :p18:31
bambee(mostly when JD dreams lol)18:32
macomy sentiment was more "ewww, american tv. brits do it better"18:32
* shadeslayer just watches it in English18:32
bambeeRiddell: thanks18:32
shadeslayermaco: yeah ... :D18:32
macoRiddell: what was that about Doctor Who?18:32
shadeslayerRiddell: btw i won't be arriving before tuesday18:32
shadeslayerlike tuesday noon18:33
bambeeshadeslayer: my last serie these days is "chuck"18:33
bambeemorgan is my hero :P18:33
shadeslayerbambee: i'm watching Scrubs/HIMYM/BBT18:33
shadeslayernph is awesome18:33
apachelogger_shadeslayer: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/samegame-on-android.mp418:38
shadeslayerneeds time to stream :(18:39
* shadeslayer downloads18:39
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bambeeshadeslayer: with luck... you will hear my frenchy accent :D18:39
shadeslayerhaha :D18:40
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shadeslayerapachelogger_: btw remember when you used to do webcasts18:44
shadeslayerthere was this site18:44
apachelogger_what are webcasts?18:45
shadeslayerah there we go18:45
* shadeslayer registers18:45
apachelogger_utube ftw18:46
shadeslayerapachelogger_: i can't stream stuff on youtube18:46
* bambee will get his ninja costume18:47
* apachelogger_ tries to deploy the qt flying bus onto android18:48
jonathan_Can I ask a question about PyQt4? PyQt4 apps don't run on my system, they error out on an undefined symbol in QtWebkit.so18:50
apachelogger_the try thing is that you actually need to stuff everything in a qrc18:50
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apachelogger_otherwise it wont get deployed to android ^^18:50
apachelogger_ScottK: I am just going to upload the kernel as persia is not around to confirm that this is the correct approach18:51
ScottKapachelogger_: Great.  If it builds, that's correct enough I think.18:51
* apachelogger_ will upload as 3.118:52
bambeejonathan_: could you paste an example on http://paste.ubuntu.com ?18:53
apachelogger_should it not conduct an ABI check on 3.1 then we know that only abi changes must increment the main revision number ^^18:53
bambeewithout output it won't help us ;)18:53
apachelogger_why do I have a suffix actually?18:53
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jonathan_bambee: sorry, I wasn't sure whether this was the right place to even ask the question18:54
jonathan_bambee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/575113/18:54
apachelogger_I am terrible at this game -.-18:55
apachelogger_shadeslayer: qtflyingbus on android :D18:55
jonathan_bambee: I've tried rebuilding the python-qt4 package from source on my system and it doesn't help18:56
JontheEchidnahttp://i.imgur.com/xQ6Fp.png <- I think the file isn't declaring its mimetype18:56
shadeslayerstill downloading18:56
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: that's a bad bad file18:56
shadeslayersomeone should spank it18:56
shadeslayerHTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK18:57
shadeslayerLength: 18996632 (18M) [video/mp4]18:57
shadeslayerlooks fine here18:57
bambeejonathan_: which release ? on natty ?18:57
bambeeor maverick ?18:57
JontheEchidnathen it's chromium fail18:57
shadeslayerJontheEchidna: bad bad chromium18:57
yofelbambee: looks like maverick, but I find it odd that a  rebuild doesn't help18:58
bambeeyofel: yup on natty it works fine here18:58
jonathan_bambee: yes, its maverick18:58
shadeslayerapachelogger_: kool18:59
jonathan_bambee: sorry, I have to leave --- my mum got stuck in her car and needs help ;-)19:00
yofeljonathan_: pyqt4 version?19:00
yofelah, sure ^^19:00
bambeejonathan_: sure ^^19:01
* c2tarun taking sip419:02
yofelc2tarun: we don't backport that19:03
yofelI'll mark it blocked again on the wiki, sry19:03
c2tarunyofel: why?19:03
yofelc2tarun: try to build it, have fun, you'll need to fix maverick python3 first19:03
yofelthat's why we're stuck on kdebindings 4.6 RC119:04
c2tarunyofel: hmm.... and natty even have only python 2.7.1 and no python 3. is python3 available soomewhere?19:05
yofelc2tarun: python3 is installable since quite a while ago, python 2.7.1 is just the default19:06
c2tarunyofel: no getting, what do you mean by installable? its out there in upstream but we don't have that in archives?19:06
yofelc2tarun: it's in the archive19:07
yofel!info python319:07
ubottupython3 (source: python3-defaults): interactive high-level object-oriented language (default python3 version). In component main, is optional. Version 3.1.3-3ubuntu5~really3.1.2 (maverick), package size 33 kB, installed size 268 kB19:07
c2tarunyofel: python and python are not related? ( I mean is python3 newer version of python?)19:08
c2tarunyofel: python and python3 are not related? ( I mean is python3 newer version of python?)19:08
yofelc2tarun: python3 is a major new release with quite a lot changes, we're sticking to python2 for now, and using 2.7.1 as default in natty, but you can install python319:09
yofelc2tarun: also, you can have more than one python version installed at the same time, like 2.5, 2.6, 2.7, 3.1 and 3.219:09
c2tarunyofel: ok, and you are saying that for sip4 or kdebindings we need python3?19:10
yofelc2tarun: sip4 builds it's modules for both python 2 and python 3 - and the maverick python 3 debhelper scripts are broken19:10
c2tarunyofel: broken? means19:11
apachelogger_bambee: welcome to the ninjas :D19:11
yofelsip fails to build19:11
yofelit compiles fine, but the package isn't being created correctly19:11
yofeland without natty sip backported we can't backport newer kdebindings, so we're stuck there19:12
TroubleIs 4.6.1 for Maverick ready for testing in ninjas?19:12
yofelTrouble: it is19:12
* yofel does an installation test19:12
TroubleWin! I'm gonna go get myself some of that action...19:13
c2tarunyofel: hmm... .so if you guys are stuck, there is no point tryin any hand on it :/ is there any other pacakge work pending?19:13
yofelc2tarun: not really, now we need to test if things work19:13
shadeslayerok night guys19:13
shadeslayercya tomorrow19:13
yofelnini shadeslayer19:13
c2tarungn shadeslayer :)19:13
c2tarunyofel: test what?19:14
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yofelc2tarun: install 4.6.1 on our systems and see if anything went wrong during packaging - ok, we can't test everything, but at least look for obvious erros19:15
bambeeapachelogger_: thanks :D19:15
bambeeI did it! I'm a ninja :p19:16
c2tarunyofel: on my system or on chroot?19:16
yofeloh yeah, welcome bambee ^^19:16
c2taruncongrats bambee19:16
yofelc2tarun: chroot is ok to check if things install (I'm doing that currently) - but we'll need real installations to check if things work19:16
yofelc2tarun: and by now it shouldn't break your system, if it does we have a problem19:17
c2tarunyofel: I'll install a separate copy of kubuntu and test packages there as well but first I need to know how testing works :( how can I look for packages that needs testing?19:18
yofelc2tarun: erm, just add the ppa on your system and update?19:18
c2tarunyofel: which ppa?19:18
yofelas we need to check if updating from 4.6.0 to 4.6.1 will break anything - as that's what a lot of users will be doing tomorrow19:19
c2tarunyofel: ok, I have that sorry to ask this but what is 4.6.0 I mean name of the application?19:19
yofelc2tarun: that's assuming you have kubuntu-ppa/backports already added and use 4.6.019:19
yofelc2tarun: kde 4.6.0 release, after all we packaged all of kde now - so you'll update the parts you have installed19:20
c2tarunyofel: by kde you mean just the desktop environment? so I need to install kde 4.6.0 on my chroot and than I have to update it?19:21
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yofelc2tarun: I'm not sure if chroot is worth it - I'm doing chroot upgrade tests, and I'm fast doing that, real maverick tests would be more helpful (if you have a spare installation that's using kde 4.6)19:22
bambeeError: can't find signing_key_fingerprint at https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa  o_O19:22
* Trouble has *full* confidence in the Kubuntu devs and is updating his live installation!19:22
bambee(using add-apt-repository)19:22
yofelbambee: add-apt-repostory doesn't work with private ppas19:22
bambeeohh I did not know19:23
bambeegood to know19:23
c2tarunbambee: add it directly to /etc/apt/sources.list19:23
* yofel uses natty and can't test maverick ^^19:23
yofelbambee: follow the instructions on the ppa page19:23
TroubleHmm kernel updates too, brb - rebooting19:23
c2tarunyofel: I am using maverick right now but I'll also get a separate installation of kubuntu maverick. than what I have to do?19:24
yofelc2tarun: add kubuntu-ppa/backports to install 4.6.0, then add the ninjas ppa, install all updates and check if everything still works right19:24
c2tarunyofel: sure I'll do that :)19:25
yofelnatty seems to work fine so far for me19:25
c2tarunyofel: all we need to test, no fixing or upgrade work left now?19:26
yofelc2tarun: for now we're done with packaging yep19:26
yofelc2tarun: oh right - are you on the kde-packagers mailing list yet?19:26
c2tarunyofel: nope19:26
yofelyou'll have to file a sysadmin request for that, let me get the right place19:27
apachelogger_shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od5iqxwvRJc19:28
c2tarunapachelogger_: shadeslayer slept I guess..19:28
apachelogger_he always sleeps19:29
apachelogger_he is weak19:29
yofelc2tarun: go to https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=sysadmin&format=guided choose 'mailinglists' as component, say that you're packaging for kubuntu and that they should please add you do the kde-packagers mailing list19:29
yofelneeds to be done like that since the mailing list is as secret as our ninjas :P19:29
* apachelogger_ needs to do somnething about his suffix19:29
apachelogger_apachelogger_: suffix go away!19:29
yofelbut you'll get notified of new releases that need packaging there, and discussions about issues with the sources19:29
apachelogger_apachelogger_: hello?!?!?!!?19:29
apachelogger_do I have to do everything myself -.-19:30
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c2tarunyofel: ok, I need a new account for that or LP one will do?19:30
yofelc2tarun: no, you'll need a kde bugzilla account19:30
c2tarunyofel: ok19:30
yofeluseful to have anyway if you plan on sticking around19:30
c2tarunyofel: ok I filed the bug for joining mailing list :)19:36
bambeekde 4.6.1 <3 19:50
bambeeno just kde <3 19:51
* Trouble <3 apachelogger > KDE19:53
bambeeapachelogger: you won a fan :P19:54
JontheEchidnalol: d->m_oauth->setConsumerSecret("hammertime");19:55
Troubleapachelogger has a whole bunch of fans... https://launchpad.net/~we-love-harald19:56
apacheloggeryay, more fans :)19:57
* apachelogger hugs Trouble19:57
apacheloggerScottK: kernel build starts in 5 hrs20:05
ScottKIf you'd got it done before Alpha 3 was out, we'd have been in business.20:05
apacheloggerah, now I am to blame :P20:06
ScottKapachelogger: I'm sure somehow it's shadeslayer's fault for distracting you.20:07
apacheloggerpkg-kde-tools cannot depend on gcc-4.4 on arm only because it is arch:all20:08
apacheloggerScottK: suggestions?20:09
ScottKWhat'd we do for qt4-x11?20:10
ScottKDo that again.20:10
ScottKIt can depend on it all arch, but only use it in debian/rules on armel.20:10
ScottKapachelogger: ^^^20:11
apacheloggergood point20:11
apacheloggerlets do that20:11
apacheloggernow I just need to find out which of the 300 mk files we have will be most useful to change :S20:12
* apachelogger is next to clueless how to do this in darth dh720:25
JontheEchidnaMuon needs a nifty background image like the one USC has: http://i.imgur.com/BFCHu.png20:34
apacheloggervery much so20:43
apacheloggerin general it needs a more visual touch IMHO20:44
apacheloggerthe UI looks a bit mechanical :)20:44
JontheEchidnaI think not using the regular grey background is a step in the right direction20:46
JontheEchidnaSwitching is also good since that means I can get rid of the horizontal separator below the breadcrumb, since if you have windeco separators enabled in Oxygen it looks weird20:47
JontheEchidnaplus I can now use a grey font in the review widget: http://i.imgur.com/cf0ZB.png20:51
JontheEchidnaand the screenshot fade-in is a bit more obvious now20:51
jonathan_yofel: mum saved, mission accomplished :-), can I return with my question about PyQt? Its python-qt4-4.8.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa220:52
* yofel takes a look at the crash again20:54
bambeeyofel: python-qt4-4.8.3 is not backported for maverick ?20:58
yofelno, needs new sip which would need us to fix dh_python3 first20:59
bambee(maybe it was fixed in 4.8.2 or 4.8.3)20:59
yofelI think at least21:00
yofelyep -  Depends: python-sip-dev (>= 4.12.1) but it is not going to be installed.21:02
jjessewith the release nof natty alpha 3 will it install now on my virtualbox amd64?21:02
bambeejjesse: normally it should (it worked just fine on virtualbox this morning)21:04
bambeeand it was tested21:04
bambee(by many people)21:05
yofeljonathan_: I won't have time to look at this in-depth today (esp. since I don't have a maverick system to test this on here) - if bambee doesn't have any ideas you should file a bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ so it's not forgotten21:06
jjessewill it would be the first time in a long long time that i've gotten an amd64 build to run21:06
jonathan_sure, thanks for the effort anyway :-)21:06
bambeeyofel: wait21:12
bambee_ZN16QGraphicsWebView20setResizesToContentsEb => it looks to QGraphicsWebview which is a valid class right ?21:13
bambee QGraphicsWebview.setResizesToContents()21:13
bambeeI find it in qt 4.7 but not in qt 4.621:14
yofel4.6? he's using maverick, not lucid, maverick has 4.721:15
bambeeI can confirm, it's not in qt 4.621:15
bambeeso wtf ?21:15
yofeler, also webkit is a bit complicated21:15
yofel!info libqtwebkit421:15
ubottulibqtwebkit4 (source: qtwebkit-source): Web content engine library for Qt. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.0-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 4686 kB, installed size 18544 kB21:15
bambeejonathan_: paste readelf -d /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/PyQt4/QtWebKit.so | grep NEEDED21:17
bambeejonathan_: still here ?21:23
bambeedoes the following command returns something : objdump -T /usr/lib/libQtWebKit.so | grep _ZN16QGraphicsWebView20setResizesToContentsEb ?21:24
ulysseswhere can be the new language selector kcm translated?21:28
jonathan_bambee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/575197/21:29
jonathan_bambee: the objdump command prints "00a58740 g    DF .text  00000032  Base        _ZN16QGraphicsWebView20setResizesToContentsEb"21:30
bambeeapachelogger: an idea ?21:32
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apacheloggerI shall have context plz21:36
yofelapachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/575113/21:37
apacheloggersymbol mismatch21:38
apacheloggerobviously :)21:38
apacheloggerpyqt was built against a different version of the qtwebkit ABI 21:39
bambeeso it's an ABI imcompatibility ?21:39
bambeeincompatibility *21:39
apacheloggermost likely21:39
apacheloggerpyqt likes to have those21:39
apacheloggerDependency is not satisfiable: python-scour21:40
apacheloggerI hate it so much21:40
apachelogger!find libvlc4 lucid21:44
ubottuPackage/file libvlc4 does not exist in lucid21:44
apachelogger!info libvlc4 lucid21:44
ubottuPackage libvlc4 does not exist in lucid21:44
apacheloggersilly me21:44
apachelogger!info vlc lucid21:44
ubottuvlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.6-1ubuntu1.5 (lucid), package size 1599 kB, installed size 3792 kB21:44
apacheloggervalorie: unless there is vlc 1.1.1 in the backporties there aint is gonna be no phonon vlc backport not21:45
bambeeulysses: we should ask to translate teams, I guess21:48
bambeethere is a way to make a global request to each translate team ?21:49
apachelogger  Could not find compiler set in environment variable CC:21:49
apachelogger  yourmotha.21:49
apacheloggerI like it when a plan comes together21:49
valorieOMG y'all have mad skillz!21:51
jonathan_bambee: I have filed it as a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/728701, is that o.k.?21:51
ubottuUbuntu bug 728701 in Kubuntu PPA "PyQt4 applications fail to start (including python plasma widgets)" [Undecided,New]21:51
jonathan_bambee: is there anything else I can do (I am fine with just giving up :-) )21:51
valoriecookies for everybody (shadeslayer*) who put Amarok 2.4 in lucid backports!21:52
valoriecan vlc 1.1.1 be put into backports?21:52
bambeejonathan_: 4.10.5 ?21:52
valorieI see it isn't, but can it be?21:52
* valorie ups the offer to cookies AND MILK21:53
valorieso our LTS users can haz backends too21:53
apacheloggerthat is for the backports team to decide21:55
apacheloggergenerally it can, whether that is a good idea or not is another question21:56
jonathan_bambee: 4.10.5 what?21:57
valoriebreakages and such are bad21:57
apacheloggerScottK:   Uploading pkg-kde-tools_0.9.3ubuntu7_source.changes: done.21:57
apacheloggerthat should force gcc 4.421:57
apacheloggeror so I hope21:57
ScottKapachelogger: Cool.21:57
apacheloggerat least it breaks your CC var ^^21:58
* apachelogger moves on to breaking his tablet21:58
ScottKapachelogger: How about CXX?22:02
apacheloggerthat too22:03
* apachelogger is very successfull today22:03
apacheloggertablet does not boot no moar22:03
ScottKOK.  Just checking.22:03
ScottKA large hammer could either fix it or at least have your frustrations vented about it.22:04
apacheloggerI do not own such a device :(22:08
ScottKGenerally there are field expedient substitutes around.22:09
* apachelogger tries a different rootf22:11
apacheloggernixternal: since you are custom rom master ... is there a way to debug booting?22:12
* apachelogger finds his bootloader here rather unverbose22:13
* debfx is going to break akonadi now22:13
JontheEchidnait was broken anyways :P22:15
apachelogger..by design...22:16
nixternalapachelogger: yes, logcat22:52
nixternalif the phone is rooted of course, you can boot into recovery, connect via adb, logcat, then start it up. umm, best to use eclipse to be honest for debugging22:53
apacheloggernixternal: thx will try23:07

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