[00:23] <valorie> packaging experts - we are getting lots of requests for backporting Amarok 2.4 to Lucid
[00:23] <valorie> any possibility of that happening?
[00:23] <valorie> one of our guys tried to do it in a PPA, but wasn't successful
[00:31] <claydoh> valorie: I get the same requests
[00:32] <claydoh> Riddell: working on it, what part of the new language seletion stuff is new, need a graphic
[00:34] <claydoh> valorie: it shouldn't be hard, unless there is some library that can't be upgraded in lucid
[00:34] <valorie> that would be lovely
[00:34]  * claydoh was going to look at it, but is a poor packager
[00:35] <valorie> to whom should I send cookies?
[00:35] <claydoh> all of them :)
[00:36] <valorie> haha, that will have to wait until UDS
[00:41] <valorie> is there somewhere to add that request on the wiki, or something?
[00:42] <claydoh> idunno
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> claydoh: now it's in System Settings: http://i.imgur.com/sOGdU.png
[00:42] <claydoh> there may be a reason for not having one, 
[00:43] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: you da man thankyothankyouthankyou
[00:43] <claydoh> never had to change languages before
[00:43] <valorie> I'll write to the kub-dev list and ask there
[00:49] <claydoh> valorie: that sounds best, actually
[01:10] <valorie> email sent; off to dinner
[01:23] <nixternal> why are people still using lucid?
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> There's that whole LTS thing
[01:24] <nixternal> ahh, forgot about that
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[01:25] <nixternal> !info amarok lucid
[01:25] <ScottK> That an Intel sucks on Maverick.
[01:25] <ScottK> an/and
[01:25] <nixternal> no comments on that
[01:25] <nixternal> intel only sucks on *buntu, which i don't even care to dig into anymore
[01:26] <nixternal> actually, i think it is sucking on my debian box too
[02:04] <claydoh> my intel doesn't seem to suck, but I have not run anything but Natty on my new-used dell
[02:04] <claydoh> other than vista that is
[02:05] <claydoh> and that was only for a day or 2
[02:08] <claydoh> ScottK: is bug 634664 still valid for alpha3? and are there any other significant ones to mention?
[02:16] <ScottK> claydoh: Dunno.  It's been awhile since I did an install.
[02:30] <nixternal> claydoh: i just installed yesterday or the day before, and the updates installed. that was using a live cd latest release, and it grabbed like 13 updates iirc
[02:37] <claydoh> nixternal: well then i'll leave the known issues blank for now
[05:14] <nigelb> apachelogger / shadeslayer: ping
[05:15] <nigelb> if I were to start qt development on ubuntu, what pakcages do I need to install?
[05:52] <yofel> qt4-dev-tools and qtcreator would be a good start
[05:54] <nigelb> I just did an install of qtcreator
[05:54] <nigelb> I figure it will pull all the right deps
[05:55] <yofel> the dependency list looks fine, so that should give you everything yes
[05:55] <nigelb> w00t, thanks :)
[05:55] <nigelb> and here I am gettign converted to qt and kde step by step
[06:04] <nigelb> phew
[06:04] <nigelb> success
[08:36] <bambee> morning
[08:36] <c2tarun> good morning :)
[08:40] <bambee> :)
[08:42] <bambee> I guess that the following patch can be accepted but UNRELEASED ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/574871/
[08:43] <bambee> I mean it can be accepted as a simple bugfixes ? I don't think so.. but I prefer ask
[08:47] <c2tarun> bambee: I think dep3 tags with patches would be a good option :)
[08:48] <bambee> dep3 ?
[08:48] <c2tarun> !dep3
[08:49] <nigelb> http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[08:49] <c2tarun> bambee: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[08:50] <bambee> thanks
[09:54] <Riddell> bambee: dep 3 doesn't apply there, that's for patches which live in the packaging 
[09:54] <Riddell> bambee: what does this patch do?
[09:55] <bambee> basically: apply is clickable only when a "component" is clicked and not on item changed (it was confusing)
[09:56] <bambee> components are clickable ONLY when they are available and not installed yet
[09:56] <bambee> if the component is installable it's checked but disabled (in grey)
[09:56] <bambee> s/installable/installed/ (sorry)
[09:56] <kubotu> bambee meant: "if the component is installed it's checked but disabled (in grey)"
[09:58] <bambee> I also add tooltips on checkboxes  :  for disabled checkboxes there is a "not available component", for checked checkboxes there is a "already installed component" and for not checked checkbox there is a "not installed component"
[09:58] <bambee> that all
[09:58] <bambee> so basically: it's less confusing :)
[09:59] <bambee> Riddell: just try it, you will find a difference :)
[10:00] <bambee> (ps: all these details are summarised in the changelog)
[10:05] <bambee> also try the following thing:  click a language, then check a checkbox... then uncheck it... apply is reverted :)
[10:05] <Riddell> sorry busy with alpha 3 now
[10:05] <Riddell> will get to it sometime today
[10:06] <bambee> I understand
[11:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yo, what it your conf.kde.in tutorial going to cover?
[11:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the 45 minute talk? or the workshop?
[11:07] <shadeslayer> because there is a bit of a issue wrt the workshop
[11:07] <shadeslayer> they only have fedora systems there :(
[11:07] <nigelb> Riddell: when are you landing here again?
[11:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: both
[11:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can I recommend ec2? :)
[11:08] <Riddell> nigelb: monday night
[11:08] <nigelb> woot
[11:08] <Riddell> but I've no idea what happens then
[11:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i could make them ssh into my machine, much faster that way
[11:08] <nigelb> ok, I should plan to get back to bangalore soonish then
[11:09] <shadeslayer> everything is already set up here
[11:09] <nigelb> shadeslayer: are we all meeting for dinner some day?
[11:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why not just set up an ec2 machine for each person?
[11:09] <shadeslayer> nigelb: sure
[11:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: works for me
[11:09] <shadeslayer> also
[11:09] <shadeslayer> this gives me a idea
[11:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: let's write neonbuild
[11:10] <nigelb> use screen and let everyone see what you're doing? ;)
[11:10] <shadeslayer> nigelb: what's the fun in that :P
[11:10] <nigelb> haha
[11:10] <shadeslayer> people don't learn if they don't make mistakes
[11:11] <nigelb> I may attend only the workshops
[11:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we can work out a script to set up machines given people's launchpad id
[11:11] <Riddell> nigelb: what should I do a workshop on?
[11:12] <nigelb> Riddell: ooh.  Getting started with QT? Or something to do with packaging?
[11:12] <Riddell> I'm down to do a getting started with PyKDE one, but there are two other PyQt workshops
[11:12] <Riddell> but I think packaging is being covered by shadeslayer no?
[11:12] <nigelb> how about a c++ one?
[11:12] <nigelb> qt with c++ that is
[11:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: packaging nightly builds yes
[11:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how much does that cover normal packaging?
[11:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no script is required, just install the PPA
[11:13] <nigelb> a debian packaging session for your app would go a long way
[11:14] <Riddell> so I could cover writing a simple pyKDE app and getting it packaged and into kubuntu?
[11:14] <nigelb> \o/ WIN
[11:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: or does that overlap with you too much?
[11:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well ..... it covers some debian files, the most important ones, you could do something like a advanced packaging session
[11:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nah ... should be fine
[11:16] <shadeslayer> i'd attend it ... i've never handled a python package
[11:16] <nigelb> hehe
[11:16] <nigelb> shadeslayer: you still don't know where your staying right?
[11:16] <shadeslayer> nigelb: yeah :(
[11:16] <shadeslayer> pradeepto sent me a survey thingy
[11:17] <shadeslayer> but no news on accomodation yet
[11:17] <Riddell> he told me something
[11:17] <Riddell> hmm, lost it now
[11:17] <Riddell> some hotel a bus ride away from the place
[11:18] <Riddell> I hope pradeepto gets back to me today, I'm going to England tomorrow and may not have internet access until I arrive in India
[11:18] <nigelb> I have quite a ride to the place :|
[11:19] <shadeslayer> ouch
[11:19] <nigelb> Probably an hour to get there.  At least.
[11:19] <nigelb> and don't even talk to me about getting back, that'd be far worse
[11:20] <Riddell> ug commuting, I'm so glad I don't live in a big city
[11:20] <shadeslayer> hhaha
[11:20] <shadeslayer> nigelb: yeah i think me and sidharth will book a taxi when we go back
[11:22] <nigelb> shadeslayer: please do, its worth it
[11:22] <nigelb> Also of note: autos are not allowed inside the airport.
[11:24] <shadeslayer> oh oh oh
[11:24] <Riddell> "autos"?
[11:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you should totaly ride one
[11:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 3 wheeler vehicles
[11:24] <shadeslayer> kubotu: google indian autos
[11:24] <kubotu> Results for indian autos: 1. Auto rickshaw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_rickshaw | 2. Indian Autos Blog | Indian Automobile Blog | Auto News India | Car ...: http://indianautosblog.com/ | 3. Another Tata Nano bursts into flames! | Indian Autos blog: http://indianautosblog.com/2010/03/another-tata-nano-bursts-into-flames
[11:25] <Riddell> I used to be a rickshaw driver before my Kubuntu days, back then we had to paddle of course, none of this motor stuff
[11:25] <Riddell> peddle
[11:25] <shadeslayer> O_O
[11:26] <shadeslayer> well .. there are tonga's for that
[11:26] <shadeslayer> more popular in bengal tho
[11:26] <nigelb> yeah, none of that in Bangalore
[11:26]  * shadeslayer checks the weather in bengaluru
[11:27] <nigelb> its hot :|
[11:27] <shadeslayer> 31 oC
[11:27] <shadeslayer> :O
[11:27] <shadeslayer> it's 11 oC here
[11:27] <shadeslayer> nigelb: humid?
[11:27] <shadeslayer> .. thank god it's not humid
[11:27] <shadeslayer> Humidity: 7%
[11:28] <nigelb> shadeslayer: for me its dry, coming from north ymmy
[11:28] <nigelb> Right now, I'm in Kerala, 100% humidiy :|
[11:28] <nigelb> s/humidiy/humidity
[11:28] <shadeslayer> whoa
[11:28] <shadeslayer> nigelb: it's 88 % here
[11:28] <nigelb> but its cold
[11:28] <shadeslayer> eyah
[11:28] <nigelb> its hot and humid for me
[11:28] <Riddell> I should pack light clothes and sun cream I think
[11:28] <shadeslayer> *yeah
[11:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yep
[11:29] <nigelb> err, night times can be colder in Bangalore btw
[11:29] <shadeslayer> i see ... 16oC as a low
[11:29] <nigelb> lows are 14 to 18
[11:29] <Riddell> BBC says night is 16°C  that's still t-shirt and shorts weather
[11:30] <tazz> hmm
[11:30] <nigelb> oh, well
[11:30] <shadeslayer> and right now i'm in jeans and a shirt in 11 oC
[11:32] <tazz> Riddell, pack light.
[11:32] <tazz> Riddell, first visit to india ?
[11:32] <Riddell> tazz: yes
[11:33] <tazz> Riddell, stock up on some russel peters videos for the plain ride... Seriously. You'll thank me when you land in India.
[11:33] <Riddell> who?
[11:34] <shadeslayer> yofel: around?
[11:34] <tazz> russell peters*sorry...
[11:34] <shadeslayer> lol
[11:34] <Riddell> tazz: who?
[11:34] <tazz> Riddell, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5jlrxcpkI this guy.
[11:34] <shadeslayer> tazz++
[11:34] <nigelb> haha
[11:35] <shadeslayer> just for suggesting Russell peters
[11:35] <tazz> thats very much what india is like really...
[11:35] <nigelb> tazz++
[11:35] <nigelb> tazz++
[11:35] <nigelb> tazz++
[11:35] <nigelb> tazz++
[11:35] <nigelb> tazz++
[11:36] <tazz> nigelb, erm... wrong channel ? Some places its actually considered spamming :p
[11:36] <Riddell> American standup?
[11:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and prepare to be fleeced :P
[11:36] <shadeslayer> and prepare to bargain like hell
[11:36] <nigelb> tazz: nah, right channel ;)
[11:37] <tazz> Riddell, canadian Standup to be knitpicking :p
[11:37] <tazz> s/knitpicking/nitpicking/
[11:37] <kubotu> tazz meant: "Riddell, canadian Standup to be nitpicking :p"
[11:38] <Riddell> I'm going to Birmingham tomorrow, so I'll be able to compare who does a better Chicken Tikka Masala, English or Indians :)
[11:38] <jussi> Hrm, is it still a bug that Im getting no redrawing sometimes on intel (screen artifacts)
[11:38] <jussi> ?
[11:39] <shadeslayer> jussi: try raster
[11:39] <shadeslayer> maybe that helps
[11:39] <shadeslayer> ( altho it probably won't )
[11:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we would want amarok 2.4 to go into kubuntu updates right?
[11:39] <shadeslayer> since everyone is using a LTS release
[11:39] <shadeslayer> valorie: ^^
[11:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no, backports
[11:40] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[11:41] <Riddell> lucid-backports if possible
[11:41] <c2tarun> While installing build-dependencies for kdenetwork on maverick I got E: Broked packages. Why so?
[11:41] <shadeslayer> well .... i'll try for lucid backports first then
[11:41] <shadeslayer> backporting from natty
[11:42] <c2tarun> here is the complete log while installing the build-dep for kdenetwork http://paste.kde.org/6283/
[11:43] <Riddell> c2tarun: check if  sudo apt-get -f install   is happy
[11:44] <c2tarun> nope
[11:44] <c2tarun> Riddell: not working :(
[11:45] <Riddell> c2tarun: what's it saying?
[11:45] <c2tarun> Riddell: same error check this error log http://paste.kde.org/6283/
[11:46] <Riddell> that's not   sudo apt-get -f install
[11:46] <c2tarun> Riddell: error was same so I refered to that log, http://paste.kde.org/6284/ here is the log for -f
[11:48] <jussi> shadeslayer: how exactly do I "try raster"?
[11:48] <shadeslayer> jussi: one sec :)
[11:48] <Riddell> c2tarun: no, run just "sudo apt-get -f install"
[11:49] <shadeslayer> jussi: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KCM+Qt+Graphics+System?content=129817
[11:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger made a nice app
[11:49] <c2tarun> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/6285/
[11:50] <Riddell> c2tarun: apt-cache policy libkio5
[11:50] <shadeslayer> O_O http://paste.kde.org/6286
[11:52] <c2tarun> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/6287/
[11:53] <shadeslayer> ah better now
[11:53]  * shadeslayer removed the PPA
[11:53] <jussi> shadeslayer: do you know if he debianised it at all? 
[11:53] <shadeslayer> jussi: nope .. you'll have to compile it
[11:53] <jussi> :(
[11:54] <Riddell> c2tarun: "500 https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ninjas/ppa/ubuntu/ natty/main i386 Packages"  notice anything wrong there?
[11:54] <shadeslayer> there are instructions in there :D
[11:54] <shadeslayer> jussi: it's fairly simple to compile it
[11:54] <jussi> shadeslayer: Id rather not be compiling stuff on the work lappy, thats all
[11:54] <c2tarun> Riddell: ahh... that username and password is missing :( sorry
[11:54] <shadeslayer> ah ..
[11:55] <shadeslayer> jussi: ok lemme see if i can make a deb
[11:55] <Riddell> c2tarun: more that you're installing natty packages on maverick
[11:55] <jussi> shadeslayer: 64 bit please :)
[11:55] <shadeslayer> oh goody
[11:55] <jussi> shadeslayer: and thank you :)
[11:55] <shadeslayer> jussi: this just became easier :D
[11:56] <shadeslayer> sure no problem
[11:56] <shadeslayer> jussi: is it a particular app or the whole desktop btw?
[11:57] <jussi> shadeslayer: whole desktop
[11:57] <shadeslayer> because you can launch plasma with : plasma-desktop -graphicssystem raster ....
[11:57] <shadeslayer> jussi: ^^ try : kquitapp plasma-desktop; plasma-desktop -graphicssystem raster 
[11:57] <shadeslayer> oh lookie
[11:57] <shadeslayer> amarok is compiling
[11:58] <c2tarun> Riddell: fixed it :) and very sorry for such silly mistake :(
[11:58] <jussi> shadeslayer: it seemed to restart plasma but gave http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/574936/
[11:59] <jussi> mind, everything seems much faster now
[11:59] <shadeslayer> jussi: did plasma startup?
[11:59] <jussi> and desktop effects appear to actually work
[11:59] <jussi> yes
[11:59] <shadeslayer> that's all we want :P
[11:59] <shadeslayer> jussi: artifacts?
[12:00] <jussi> I havent seen any artifacts since the plasma restart and speed is better
[12:00] <shadeslayer> yeah raster has that effect :P
[12:00] <shadeslayer> jussi: now imagine this one *every* kde app
[12:00] <shadeslayer> this is just plasma ... you can use it with every app :)
[12:01] <jussi> shadeslayer: heh
[12:02] <shadeslayer> jussi: do you have lucid?
[12:02] <jussi> shadeslayer: no
[12:02] <shadeslayer> mav?
[12:02] <jussi> yes
[12:02] <shadeslayer> http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kcm-qt-graphicssystem/ <<
[12:02] <shadeslayer> i see some binaries there
[12:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/725959 blasts every Qt app on my natty netbook sky high
[12:03] <shadeslayer> oh oh
[12:03] <shadeslayer> jussi: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kcm-qt-graphicssystem
[12:03] <shadeslayer> seem's it's debianized 
[12:04] <shadeslayer> so anyone have some experience with qt qml designer
[12:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: the n900 FTBFS is from our uploads actually
[12:04] <apachelogger> or at least mine ^^
[12:04]  * apachelogger thought we had ABI checks turned out, turns out we did not
[12:05] <ScottK> Please be fixing then.
[12:05] <apachelogger> I do not have my keys on this machine...
[12:05] <apachelogger> ScottK: if you have time, you just need to copy the abi stuff in debian.n900 for .2 and .3
[12:05] <apachelogger> as we did not change the ABI anyway
[12:06] <ScottK> OK.
[12:06] <ScottK> You need to fix pkg-kde-tools anyway.
[12:07] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:07] <apachelogger> probably depending on gcc-4.4 and conflicting gcc-4.5 should do the trick there
[12:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: we have a request for backporting amarok 2.4 to lucid
[12:09] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i'm working on it, but i'd like to hear your thought's on it
[12:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You'd need to do maverick too.
[12:09] <apachelogger> ah
[12:09] <shadeslayer> you mean backport to maverick backports first?
[12:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It can be done at the same time.
[12:09] <shadeslayer> ( amarok 2.4 is already in the ppa )
[12:10] <shadeslayer> for maverick i mean ^^
[12:10] <ScottK> OK.
[12:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: seems the clue with kernel packages is to only n.m increment the revision when doing non-abi changes
[12:10] <shadeslayer> ok i'll opena bug for that
[12:10] <apachelogger> from looking at linux that I gather
[12:10] <ScottK> I see.
[12:10] <steveire> Is something wrong here: http://dpaste.com/468584/
[12:13] <ScottK> steveire: You should install updates first.  You're missing the libc6 from lucid-updates.  It's not broken as is, your just missing the latest update.
[12:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm packaging the new Qt now wi
[12:17] <Riddell> th the fix for that
[12:17] <jussi> mrgh
[12:18] <steveire> ScottK: Thanks.
[12:18] <jussi> shadeslayer: I think we broked it :D http://imgur.com/qvAEP
[12:18] <ScottK> steveire: You're welcome.
[12:19] <shadeslayer> lolz
[12:19] <shadeslayer> jussi: yeah that can happen 
[12:19] <shadeslayer> jussi: probably because not everything is using raster
[12:19] <c2tarun> Riddell: hey I saw on ppa page a report that kdeutils failed to build due to unmet dependencies, I build that package yesterday on maverick machine. (there I may have got dependencies by that private ppa) If I was able to build succesfully due to this fact than why are these pacakges from ppa are not in archive?
[12:19] <shadeslayer> or is this after installing KCM?
[12:20] <shadeslayer> s/KCM/the KCM Module
[12:20] <shadeslayer> jussi: you use chromium ... i'm disappointed :(
[12:21] <nigelb> darn, you shoulda used lynx ;)
[12:21] <jussi> shadeslayer: find me a browser that does what I want it to do, as quick and cleanly as chromium and Ill switch
[12:21] <shadeslayer> module "QtQuick" is not installed 
[12:21] <shadeslayer> jussi: rekonq? :P
[12:21] <jussi> shadeslayer: this is after installing the deb you linked to.
[12:21] <shadeslayer> or firefox
[12:21] <shadeslayer> oh
[12:21] <shadeslayer> jussi: uninstall that deb
[12:21] <shadeslayer> and install the one from the archives
[12:23] <jussi> shadeslayer: err? archives? which is (packagename? 
[12:23] <shadeslayer> jussi: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kcm-qt-graphicssystem
[12:25] <jussi> thanks
[12:26] <shadeslayer> !find googlemaps.qml
[12:26] <shadeslayer> aw
[12:28] <Riddell> c2tarun: i think that's because kdebase-workspace was not up to date in the archive
[12:29] <Riddell> it can probably be retried now
[12:30] <shadeslayer> btw who made that rtorrent UI at UDS?
[12:30] <shadeslayer> i don't remember
[12:33] <steveire> I started downloading the natty alpha from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/11.04/alpha-2/ and it's coming in at 49kbps. Am I just on a slow mirror?
[12:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ryan from ars technica
[12:45] <shadeslayer> alrighty :)
[12:45] <Riddell> steveire: i think we're all busy rsyncing alpha 3 candidates which might be slowing the server
[12:46] <steveire> Ah
[12:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any idea's what his irc nick is?
[12:46] <shadeslayer> dude use zsync
[12:46] <shadeslayer> zsync++
[12:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no.  markey knows
[12:47] <shadeslayer> oh ok 
[12:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's the difference?
[12:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: zsync downloads only the diff
[12:47] <shadeslayer> instead of the whole file
[12:47] <shadeslayer> ( dunno how rsync does it )
[12:47] <al> and what's the difference to rsync?
[12:48] <shadeslayer> al: rsync also downloads the diff?
[12:48] <al> yes, but with less overhead
[12:48] <shadeslayer> oh .. i thought zsync used lesser overhead
[12:49] <al> well, i'm not entirely sure
[12:50] <al> but since the web site states "zsync provides transfers that are nearly as efficient as rsync -z", i guess it's correct
[12:50] <c2tarun> Riddell: is this version name correct for kdenetwork 4:4.6.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1?
[12:51] <shadeslayer> well i just follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO
[12:51] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:51] <Riddell> c2tarun: yes
[12:52] <Guest39611> shadeslayer: I broke it (tried opengl), now cant log in - is there some way to revert it from the cli? 
[12:52] <shadeslayer> Guest39611: jussi ?
[12:52] <Guest39611> shadeslayer: oh. yes
[12:52] <Guest39611> sorry
[12:52] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:52] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:53] <shadeslayer> looking
[12:53] <jussi01> Ive tried the failsafe login
[12:53] <Guest24446> I guess its somewhere in a rc file? 
[12:53] <Guest24446> bah
[12:55] <shadeslayer> yeah
[12:55] <shadeslayer> it's probably in a file
[12:56] <shadeslayer> !find qt-graphicssystem.sh
[12:56] <shadeslayer> :/
[12:56] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:00] <shadeslayer> jussi01: echo export QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=native% &> .kde/env/qt-graphicssystem.sh 
[13:00] <shadeslayer> or change raster to native in that file
[13:03] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:03] <jussi> shadeslayer: I win :)
[13:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do i put amarok for lucid in the ninja's ppa or the staging ppa?
[13:04] <jussi> It was letting me login, but noth showing anything but window fromes
[13:04] <shadeslayer> ah
[13:04] <shadeslayer> LD
[13:04] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:04] <jussi> so I "guessed" where things were
[13:04] <shadeslayer> jussi01: that can happen sometimes
[13:04] <shadeslayer> lol
[13:04] <shadeslayer> jussi: yeah so raster isn't still finished
[13:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: staging, nothing secret there
[13:04] <shadeslayer> okay
[13:04] <Riddell> make sure staging is empty first
[13:05] <shadeslayer> yeah doing that 
[13:06] <Riddell> ** new alpha 3 candidate live CDs for testing 
[13:07] <shadeslayer> amarok uploaded to staging
[13:08] <shadeslayer> time to tell people
[13:20] <yofel> shadeslayer: neonbuild?
[13:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: neon + pdebuild
[13:20] <shadeslayer> sets up a pbuilder for building packages for neon
[13:21] <yofel> hm - that's probably doable
[13:21] <shadeslayer> yeah
[13:21] <yofel> I'll put looking at that on my todo list
[13:21] <shadeslayer> ok :)
[13:37] <shadeslayer> ScottK: bug 728447
[13:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: were people not wanting lucid?
[13:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: needs to be backported to maverick first
 shadeslayer: You'd need to do maverick too.
[13:57] <c2tarun> Riddell: can you please take a look at this debdiff http://paste.kde.org/6296/
[14:00] <Riddell> c2tarun: looks fine
[14:01] <c2tarun> Riddell: ok, then I'll upload it, and one more question, on ppa page I saw a message that kdeutils failed to build on maverick, its the same which I build yesterday. why so?
[14:01] <bambee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/574970/  <--- someone has the same crash ? on logout sometimes it crashes randomly
[14:01] <c2tarun> Riddell: it says due to unmet dependencies.
[14:03] <Riddell> c2tarun: it's waiting on kdebase-workspace, is kdebase-workspace compiled for maverick?
[14:03] <c2tarun> Riddell: older version is in maverick, may be kdeutils require a later version
[14:04] <c2tarun> Riddell: I think shadeslayer compiled it for mav
[14:06] <shadeslayer> hmm?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> what happened?
[14:06] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+packages  says kdebase-workspace is in maverick
[14:06] <Riddell> c2tarun: so go to https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2296247 and https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2296248 and click retry
[14:10] <yofel> shadeslayer: you do realize you can just add a lucid-backports task to that backport request? (IIRC it's fine to backport it to both)
[14:11] <shadeslayer> i can? O_O
[14:11]  * shadeslayer does
[14:11] <yofel> also affects project -> lucid-backports
[14:11] <shadeslayer> kewl
[14:23] <bambee> 1 871 kB/s :D
[14:24]  * bambee loves university network
[14:24] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Don't need to do Maverick first.  Can be done together.
[14:24] <ScottK> (and as yofel says)
[14:25] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yep marked as such :)
[14:27] <ScottK> shadeslayer: See the bug.
[14:28] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:28] <debfx> ScottK: we don't need -Wa,-mimplicit-it=thumb anymore, right?
[14:28] <ScottK> debfx: Shouldn't.
[14:29] <Riddell> bambee: CD testing?
[14:29] <ScottK> Although with the current state of using gcc4.4 on Qt I'm not 100% sure.
[14:29] <ScottK> debfx: ^^^
[14:29] <bambee> Riddell: sure :)
[14:30] <debfx> I don't think it matters how qt is built
[14:31]  * debfx drops all the crazy hacks from the akonadi package
[14:31] <Riddell> I'm away tomorrow, who wants to handle the 4.6.1 release?
[14:33] <shadeslayer> ScottK: done
[14:35] <ScottK> shadeslayer: So you need to backport libindicate-qt also?
[14:35] <shadeslayer> no .. builds fine without the version
[14:36] <shadeslayer> i mean .. lucid and maverick have that version :)
[14:37] <ScottK> libindicate-qt-dev (>= 0.2.5.91)
[14:37] <ScottK> libindicate-qt-dev | 0.2.5-0ubuntu1 |      maverick | amd64, i386
[14:37] <ScottK> shadeslayer: ^^^ Nope.
[14:37] <shadeslayer> huh .. weird
[14:37] <shadeslayer> how did it build then
[14:37] <ScottK> You've got the newer one in the PPA, right?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:38] <shadeslayer> uh
[14:38] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i'm wondering how it built for lucid
[14:38] <Riddell> c2tarun: will you retry those builds?
[14:39] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I don't think libindicate-qt0 and libindicate-qt1 are co-installable.
[14:39] <c2tarun> Riddell: i retried them, let me check the status
[14:40] <yofel> ScottK: libindicate-qt-dev is 0.2.5-0ubuntu1 for lucid and maverick here
[14:40] <ScottK> Ah.
[14:40] <yofel> rmadison says the same
[14:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer made his patch backwards.
[14:40] <c2tarun> Riddell: what is actinium virtual?
[14:41] <yofel> c2tarun: a build machine on launchpad (running as a virtual machine)
[14:41] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Dropping the version requirement is fine.
[14:41] <shadeslayer> ok ... looks like the version was required just for a rebuild
[14:42] <yofel> c2tarun: see https://launchpad.net/builders/
[14:42] <shadeslayer> i do so hate debdiff
[14:43] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: why?
[14:44] <c2tarun> Riddell: a later version of libkonq5-dev is required, maverick has older version
[14:45] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: try debdiff'ing a package with a new release and you'll know why :P
[14:47] <yofel> c2tarun: you need to backport kdebase first
[14:47] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: which package? (I mean) binary or source?
[14:47] <c2tarun> yofel: kdebase?
[14:47] <yofel> source kdebase
[14:47] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: source
[14:48] <c2tarun> yofel: but the error is for libkonq5-dev
[14:48] <yofel> c2tarun: libkonq5-dev is binary for source kdebase
[14:48] <yofel> c2tarun: see https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1532744/+listing-archive-extra
[14:49] <c2tarun> yofel: kdebase and kdebase-workspace are different?
[14:49] <yofel> c2tarun: yes
[14:49] <yofel> the naming is a bit confusing, but it's the apps directory from kdebase, workspace and runtime other other 2
[14:50] <yofel> s/other/are the/
[14:50] <kubotu> yofel meant: "the naming is a bit confusing, but it's the apps directory from kdebase, workspace and runtime are the other 2"
[14:50] <c2tarun> yofel: hmm... how to backport?
[14:51] <yofel> same as for the others, I can take a look at it
[14:51] <c2tarun> yofel: sure :)
[14:52] <c2tarun> yofel: I am just confirming, backporting means I have to build the natty one on maverick machine and upload it to ppa? 
[14:52] <yofel> yep
[14:52] <c2tarun> yofel: ok, so are you taking kdebase?
[14:52] <yofel> yes
[14:53] <c2tarun> yofel: thanks :)
[15:18] <yofel> Riddell: are those files really not meant to be installed? http://paste.kde.org/6302 (kdebase) the libkdeinit and manpages are ok, but the rest?
[15:19] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Looks good.  I'll take care of it from here.
[15:19] <shadeslayer> thanks :)
[15:19] <Riddell> yofel: they're all from konq-plugins which shouldn't be in kdebase
[15:19] <bambee> Riddell: done, works fine (still with a virtual machine)
[15:19] <yofel> ah ok
[15:20] <Riddell> yofel: new kdebase tar
[15:20] <Riddell> d032fb52e5fdf2eb0b3ab37a7a06eacf  kdebase-4.6.1.tar.bz2
[15:20] <Riddell> grab that from ktown, call it 4.6.1a
[15:20] <Riddell> upload to natty and maverick
[15:20] <Riddell> thanks bambee 
[15:20] <bambee> you're welcome
[15:21] <yofel> Riddell: I'll to that then
[15:24] <yofel> Riddell: rebuild kdenetwork too?
[15:29] <Riddell> yofel: yes please
[15:29] <Riddell> kdeedu as well
[15:31] <yofel> what was wrong with edu? (or did I loose a mail?)
[15:31] <Riddell> yofel: kalgebra linking issue, we have a patch which can be removed
[15:32] <yofel> oh that one, ok
[15:32] <Riddell> indians: what sort of power sockets do you have?
[15:33] <nigelb> Riddell: round
[15:33] <nigelb> let me find a picture
[15:33] <nigelb> or take one
[15:33] <nigelb> Riddell: 220V vtw
[15:34] <nigelb> s/vtw/btw/
[15:34] <kubotu> nigelb meant: "Riddell: 220V btw"
[15:35] <ScottK> shadeslayer and valorie: amarok building now in lucid-backports.
[15:36] <shadeslayer> \o/
[15:36] <nigelb> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~nigelbabu/power.jpg
[15:36] <shadeslayer> ^^
[15:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i have some converters lying around
[15:36] <shadeslayer> want me to bring them along?
[15:37] <yofel> ok, kdebase looks right now, uploading
[15:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: kk
[15:39]  * apachelogger got a new device to play with :D
[15:39] <apachelogger> earlier than expected even
[15:40] <nigelb> apachelogger: chrome notebook? :p
[15:40] <apachelogger> what would I want that for? 
[15:40] <apachelogger> though I must say our netbook version needs some UX improvements and serious advertisment
[15:44] <apachelogger> nigelb: see facebook
[15:44] <shadeslayer> ooh
[15:45] <nigelb> apachelogger: ooh la la!
[15:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: looks phat
[15:46] <apachelogger> well
[15:46] <apachelogger> it is for the movies
[15:46] <shadeslayer> can you make calls? :P)
[15:47] <apachelogger> no
[15:47] <apachelogger> though it has a mic
[15:47] <apachelogger> and it has speakers
[15:47] <apachelogger> ...
[15:47] <apachelogger> just needs a phone app ids say
[15:47] <yofel> why does a phone today need to make calls? you just get an internet flat and some VoIP service
[15:49] <apachelogger> fist things first, googlé apps
[15:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: did you already do the kernel?
[15:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: Not yet.
[15:49] <apachelogger> ok
[15:49]  * apachelogger is just having tea and will jump at it afterwards
[15:49] <ScottK> Was busy fixing backports since shadeslayer can't figure out debdiff.
[15:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: good job
[15:53] <c2tarun> how can I find packages in kubuntu-ninja ppa that failed to build?
[15:53] <yofel> c2tarun: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa/+packages
[15:54] <yofel> c2tarun: you can click on the architectures that failed
[15:57]  * c2tarun wow... seems that only packages uploaded by me fails ;)
[15:58] <yofel> c2tarun: only currently :P
[15:59] <c2tarun> yofel: yup :) could you please ping me when kdebase is included?
[15:59] <yofel> sure, probalby ~20mins
[16:00] <c2tarun> yofel: thanks :)
[16:00] <shadeslayer> :(
[16:00] <debfx> apachelogger: is there a particular reason why we have an apparmor profile for mysqld-akonadi?
[16:00] <shadeslayer> oh lp has a url shortning service O_O
[16:01] <apachelogger> debfx: sure, because it is a fully qualified mysql and thus could be use for all sorts of shit
[16:01] <shadeslayer> http://pad.lv/728447
[16:01] <c2tarun> yofel: on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging page its that kdebase is uploaded by some one onto ppa? how come its not there?
[16:02] <yofel> kdenetwork uploaded, kdeedu coming
[16:02] <debfx> apachelogger: we copy mysqld to mysqld-akonadi at build time so we don't get any mysql security updates
[16:02] <yofel> c2tarun: huh? it is there
[16:02] <apachelogger> debfx: that is what I said... a fully qualified mysql
[16:02] <yofel> c2tarun: I uploaded it after all, and it shows it as building here
[16:02] <yofel> c2tarun: but it's not built yet
[16:03] <c2tarun> yofel: nope, I am not saying about that, see on the page some guy PhilipMuskovac took it and uploaded it to pps
[16:03] <yofel> c2tarun: that's me :P
[16:03] <c2tarun> yofel: oh :)
[16:04] <c2tarun> yofel: yup, one more thing, how come some names are in hyperlink while some are not?
[16:05] <yofel> c2tarun: because I have a wiki page under my name, the wiki auto-links that
[16:06] <yofel> brb
[16:06] <Quintasan> ScottK: did we rebuild pyqt with new python?
[16:07] <ScottK> Quintasan: Needs to be updated from Debian in any case.
[16:07] <Quintasan> ScottK: PyQt or Python?
[16:16] <ScottK> Quintasan: PyQt4.
[16:23] <debfx> apachelogger: copying a binary so it runs in an apparmor profile seems just wrong
[16:24] <yofel> c2tarun: kdebase published
[16:25] <debfx> apachelogger: maybe we could write a wrapper script that just calls mysqld and create a apparmor profile for that script
[16:25] <Riddell> nigelb: your socket has 5 holes!
[16:26] <apachelogger> debfx: that does not help, the mysql binary would then be locked by apparmor
[16:26] <apachelogger> meaning that its profile would need permissions to write to $HOMES
[16:26] <ScottK> debfx: jdstrand tells it may be possible to get away from this now, but it'd take some research.
[16:26] <apachelogger> which is even more wrong
[16:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: we should just ignore upstream advise and use sqlite :P
[16:27] <debfx> apachelogger: we'd write a subprofile in the wrapper script apparmor profile
[16:27] <apachelogger> I do not compute
[16:28] <apachelogger> a profile for what?
[16:28] <apachelogger> mysqld?
[16:29] <debfx> apachelogger: something like http://paste.kde.org/6305/
[16:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you have adaptors from UK to India?
[16:30] <apachelogger> debfx: it scares the hell out of me, but if you wish to give it a try...
[16:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: probably... 
[16:30] <shadeslayer> lemme see
[16:32] <yofel> kdeedu uploaded
[16:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/b9ztX.jpg
[16:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: nifty.  yes that'll do
[16:35] <GrueMaster> So, does anyone in kubuntu have armel hardware to work with?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: how many do you want?
[16:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: just one
[16:38] <shadeslayer> ah ok... i'll get this one then
[16:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but i'd recommend bringing more, other people may not have adapters
[16:38] <shadeslayer> sure
[16:38] <shadeslayer> i think i have one more lying around that's free
[16:38] <Riddell> GrueMaster: ScottK has some machines, agateau has an arm netbook
[16:38] <nigelb> Riddell: the 5 is for different types of plugs ;)
[16:39] <Riddell> nigelb: different types of plugs....
[16:39] <Riddell> what sort of different types of plugs?
[16:39] <GrueMaster> Ok.  Just wanted someone to know that the Alpha 3 image failed to run.  
[16:39] <Riddell> GrueMaster: thanks for testing
[16:39] <nigelb> Riddell: the 2 pins can be big or small, that's why the 4 sets of holes
[16:40] <shadeslayer> yep ^^
[16:40] <shadeslayer> but don't worry
[16:40] <shadeslayer> the one i showed you has only 2 pins at the front
[16:40] <shadeslayer> so it'll plug into post of the sockets
[16:41] <nigelb> yeah, plug in a convertor and you should be all good
[16:42] <bambee> GrueMaster: which image did you test ?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> nigelb: btw do you have a spare SD Card?
[16:42] <GrueMaster> Both the 301 and the 303 images on panda.
[16:43] <nigelb> shadeslayer: I can look around.  for camera?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> nigelb: micro sd
[16:43] <bambee> GrueMaster: panda ?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> nigelb: i have something planned that invlolves Kubuntu and my Phone :P
[16:43] <nigelb> ouch, no micro sd
[16:43] <GrueMaster> omap4
[16:43] <bambee> ok
[16:43] <shadeslayer> nigelb: yeah ...
[16:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: Nightrose needs one of your adaptors
[16:43] <GrueMaster> http://www.pandaboard.org
[16:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: no problemo
[16:44] <nigelb> just make sure you have at least 2
[16:44] <shadeslayer> i'll get as many as i can find ... will scavenge on the weekend
[16:44] <Nightrose> shadeslayer: what kinda magic to you have?
[16:44] <Riddell> Nightrose: http://i.imgur.com/b9ztX.jpg
[16:45] <Nightrose> thx
[16:45] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:45]  * Nightrose would  really love if we could all just use the same...
[16:46] <Riddell> yes, the world would be much better if everyone did the sensible thing and used British power sockets
[16:46] <Nightrose> hehe
[16:49] <tazz> Riddell, you might want to lurk in #kde-in for a week or so :p 
[16:49] <shadeslayer> yeah :D
[16:50] <tazz> yes and we would all love if the entire world drove on the left hand side too...
[16:50] <tazz> :p
[16:53] <debfx> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/6308/ seems to work fine
[16:56] <shadeslayer> O_O
[16:56] <shadeslayer> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/MSMQSD#HTC_Desire
[16:56] <shadeslayer> i should try this out
[16:57] <shadeslayer> over the weekend
[16:59] <markey> Riddell: Ryan Paul == segphault
[16:59] <markey> on IRC
[16:59] <shadeslayer> thanks markey
[16:59] <markey> however, note that Ars has its own IRC server
[16:59] <markey> he is not often on Freenode
[16:59] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:00] <markey> go to #linux on their server
[17:00] <shadeslayer> i'm on the ars irc server too ;]
[17:00] <markey> yeah
[17:00] <markey> DrPizza is there too (Peter Bright)
[17:00] <markey> he is fairly bright
[17:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should rather port flipping kubuntu mobile to it
[17:18] <apachelogger> debfx: cool
[17:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i need a 4 GB micro sd card to do that
[17:24] <shadeslayer> i don't have one of those
[17:32] <shadeslayer> markey: there's talk of the N950
[17:35] <shadeslayer> sudo: aptitude: command not found : for a moment i went wtf
[17:36] <yofel> ^^
[17:40] <ScottK> GrueMaster: I don't have any machines that will (yet) work with a Natty image.
[17:40] <apachelogger> aptitude shall go die
[17:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: get one then
[17:40] <apachelogger> I did not have one either ^^
[17:40]  * apachelogger wonders how to add a qml to an android apk
[17:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the qt install app thing doesn't work
[17:41] <shadeslayer> not for me and Quintasan it doesn't
[17:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: hm?
[17:41] <apachelogger> what qt install app?
[17:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: try installing ministro
[17:41] <apachelogger> worked just fine here
[17:41] <shadeslayer> what
[17:41] <apachelogger> but my qml does not get installed, or at least it cannot find it at runtime
[17:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so you mean to say
[17:41] <shadeslayer> that the app runs, and downloads Qt libs?
[17:41] <apachelogger> aye
[17:41] <shadeslayer> O_O
[17:41] <apachelogger> my app runs actually
[17:41] <apachelogger> it just doesnt have much of a ui ^^
[17:41] <shadeslayer> for some reason, i can't get it to complete here
[17:41] <apachelogger> just as I suspected, the qml is not in the apk
[17:42] <apachelogger> cause you people have shitty devices, that is why :P
[17:42] <shadeslayer> :S
[17:42] <shadeslayer> it just quits when trying to search for the libs
[17:49] <jussi> shadeslayer: I found a fix - or most of one anyway
[17:49] <shadeslayer> kewl :D
[17:49] <jussi> Need to update the intel driver 
[17:50] <jussi> it appears much faster now - though cube fails big time. 
[17:51] <shadeslayer> :(
[17:51] <jussi> oh, wait, it works! I just was pressing the erong thing'
[17:51] <jussi> wrong
[17:51] <jussi> :D
[17:52] <shadeslayer> haha
[17:52] <shadeslayer> jussi: tried from xorg edgers
[17:52] <shadeslayer> ?
[17:52] <jussi> shadeslayer: no, I grabbed from ppa:glasen/intel-driver
[17:53] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:53] <jussi> hrm, how do I add more desktops ?
[17:53] <shadeslayer> jussi: xorg edgers is better
[17:53] <shadeslayer> jussi: see the desktop switching thingy below
[17:53] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah, but they update that loads
[17:53] <shadeslayer> right click on that
[17:53] <jussi> oh lol, thats easy
[17:54] <shadeslayer> :)
[17:54] <shadeslayer> jussi: use activities
[17:54] <jussi> ?
[17:54] <shadeslayer> kubotu: google kde activities
[17:54] <kubotu> Results for kde activities: 1. How to Use KDE Plasma Activities: http://maketecheasier.com/use-kde-plasma-activities/2010/09/01 | 2. What's KDE Activities? (Page 1) / Applications & Desktop ...: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=72520 | 3. Plasma - KDE UserBase: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma
[18:00] <Riddell> yofel: how would you fancy handling the 4.6.1 release tomorrow?
[18:01] <yofel> what needs to be done?
[18:01] <Riddell> yofel: ensure it's been tested for natty and maverick
[18:01] <Riddell> copy maverick packages to kubuntu-ppa/backports
[18:01] <Riddell> test again
[18:01] <Riddell> announce on kubuntu.org
[18:02] <yofel> I can do the first parts - but I'm clueless about how to announce it
[18:02] <Riddell> ah, well you can practice with the alpha 3 announce if you want :)
[18:04] <bambee> polkit-kde-1 crash reported
[18:04] <bambee> (additionnal informations and backtrace in attachment)
[18:04] <Riddell> yofel: when you see the alpha 3 announce on ubuntu-devel-announce you can publish https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/natty-alpha-3
[18:05] <Riddell> Edit -> publishing options -> published and promoted to front page
[18:05] <yofel> ok, just managed to log in (I think..)
[18:06] <Riddell> for 4.6.1 Create Content -> News  copy and paste and update the 4.6.0 story
[18:07] <Riddell> yofel: then you need to find someone to upload the packages to natty
[18:07] <apachelogger> groovy
[18:07] <apachelogger> samegame is slightly b0rked ^^
[18:07] <Riddell> Kate Stewart    (  70) [ubuntu-release] Natty Alpha 3 Released!
[18:07] <Riddell> yofel: go go publishing!
[18:07] <shadeslayer> !find landscape-sysinfo
[18:08] <yofel> ok, let's see..
[18:09] <sheytan> Hey yo
[18:09] <yofel> Riddell: seems to have worked
[18:10] <Riddell> lovely
[18:10] <Riddell> yofel: so do you think you can handle 4.6.1 tomorrow?
[18:11] <shadeslayer> i can help with that tomorrow
[18:12] <Riddell> great
[18:14] <Riddell> bambee: language-selector uploaded thanks
[18:15] <yofel> I think I'll manage
[18:15] <bambee> Riddell: thanks :)
[18:15] <debfx> Riddell: could you have a look at bug #728584 and grant a FFe if required :)
[18:16] <sheytan> Will kubuntu natty installer support upgrading?
[18:16] <sheytan> like this https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1LZHwrTTPDA/TW_FFxglw0I/AAAAAAAAZDQ/BQRi3-8bII4/s1600/instaltor.png
[18:16]  * shadeslayer asked that about a day ago
[18:16] <shadeslayer> yet to recieve a answer :P
[18:17] <debfx> Riddell: jdstrand has reviewed the apparmor bits
[18:17] <Riddell> debfx: approved (in principle, I haven't tested it)
[18:18] <debfx> Riddell: do you want to test it before I upload the package?
[18:20] <bambee> apachelogger: around ? just for a technical advise
[18:21] <shadeslayer> he's probably playing with his new tablet
[18:21] <bambee> ohhh I did not know that, no problems :)
[18:23]  * yofel gets that akonadi patch into neon
[18:24] <shadeslayer> i hear akonadi, patch and neon
[18:24] <shadeslayer> impossible
[18:24] <shadeslayer> yofel: how are we going to maintain a patch against trunk KDE O_O
[18:24] <yofel> shadeslayer: erm... we already mess with apparmor there - so can't get worse
[18:25] <shadeslayer> yikes
[18:25] <shadeslayer> true that
[18:25] <bambee> by the way I propose myself for kde 4.6.1 natty testing
[18:25] <yofel> shadeslayer: apparmor is the root of our akonadi issues, can't really do much about it
[18:25] <shadeslayer> :(
[18:26] <yofel> well, one of them
[18:27] <yofel> bambee: you'll need ninja permissions for that currently
[18:28] <Riddell> we can fix that
[18:28] <Riddell> bambee: what's your launchpad username?
[18:28] <bambee> aahhh... effectively...
[18:29] <bambee> Riddell: bambi (remember scrubs :P)
[18:29] <maco> does that show exist in his country?
[18:29] <Riddell> only if you own a telly
[18:29] <shadeslayer> oh wow
[18:29] <bambee> maco: sure, scrubs , "how I met your mother" and other great series :)
[18:29] <shadeslayer> bambee: even on lp?
[18:30] <shadeslayer> bambee: dude we should totally meet
[18:30] <maco> but..that's american tv
[18:30] <shadeslayer> maco: so?
[18:30] <Riddell> bambee: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa
[18:30] <shadeslayer> we have scrubs here too :P
[18:30] <bambee> shadeslayer: sure :)
[18:30] <bambee> shadeslayer: not this UDS... but the next one ?
[18:30] <shadeslayer> altho ... it lags a bit behind the american version
[18:31] <Riddell> maco: apparantly your country is good at exporting its culture
[18:31] <Riddell> now, who wants some Dr Who audio book CDs?
[18:31] <maco> Riddell: who would want to import it though?
[18:31] <shadeslayer> bambee: yeah .. i can't attend this one too .... but before UDS P i might go to the Desktop Summit :P
[18:31] <shadeslayer> aw just audio?
[18:31] <bambee> maco: "that's american tv"... you know you've just to translate it ;)
[18:31] <bambee> it's fun in french :p
[18:32] <bambee> (mostly when JD dreams lol)
[18:32] <maco> my sentiment was more "ewww, american tv. brits do it better"
[18:32]  * shadeslayer just watches it in English
[18:32] <bambee> Riddell: thanks
[18:32] <shadeslayer> maco: yeah ... :D
[18:32] <maco> Riddell: what was that about Doctor Who?
[18:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw i won't be arriving before tuesday
[18:33] <shadeslayer> like tuesday noon
[18:33] <bambee> shadeslayer: my last serie these days is "chuck"
[18:33] <bambee> morgan is my hero :P
[18:33] <shadeslayer> bambee: i'm watching Scrubs/HIMYM/BBT
[18:33] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:33] <bambee> mouarf
[18:33] <bambee> :)
[18:33] <shadeslayer> nph is awesome
[18:38] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/samegame-on-android.mp4
[18:38] <shadeslayer> *click*
[18:39] <shadeslayer> needs time to stream :(
[18:39]  * shadeslayer downloads
[18:39] <bambee> shadeslayer: with luck... you will hear my frenchy accent :D
[18:40] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[18:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: btw remember when you used to do webcasts
[18:44] <shadeslayer> there was this site
[18:45] <apachelogger_> what are webcasts?
[18:45] <shadeslayer> :S
[18:45] <shadeslayer> ah there we go
[18:45] <shadeslayer> ustream
[18:45]  * shadeslayer registers
[18:46] <apachelogger_> oh
[18:46] <apachelogger_> well
[18:46] <apachelogger_> utube ftw
[18:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: i can't stream stuff on youtube
[18:47] <apachelogger_> oh
[18:47] <apachelogger_> true
[18:47]  * bambee will get his ninja costume
[18:48]  * apachelogger_ tries to deploy the qt flying bus onto android
[18:50] <jonathan_> Can I ask a question about PyQt4? PyQt4 apps don't run on my system, they error out on an undefined symbol in QtWebkit.so
[18:50] <apachelogger_> the try thing is that you actually need to stuff everything in a qrc
[18:50] <apachelogger_> otherwise it wont get deployed to android ^^
[18:51] <apachelogger_> ScottK: I am just going to upload the kernel as persia is not around to confirm that this is the correct approach
[18:51] <ScottK> apachelogger_: Great.  If it builds, that's correct enough I think.
[18:52] <apachelogger_> well
[18:52] <apachelogger_> oh
[18:52] <apachelogger_> idea
[18:52]  * apachelogger_ will upload as 3.1
[18:53] <bambee> jonathan_: could you paste an example on http://paste.ubuntu.com ?
[18:53] <apachelogger_> should it not conduct an ABI check on 3.1 then we know that only abi changes must increment the main revision number ^^
[18:53] <bambee> without output it won't help us ;)
[18:53] <apachelogger_> why do I have a suffix actually?
[18:54] <jonathan_> bambee: sorry, I wasn't sure whether this was the right place to even ask the question
[18:54] <jonathan_> bambee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/575113/
[18:55] <apachelogger_> I am terrible at this game -.-
[18:55] <apachelogger_> ha!
[18:55] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: qtflyingbus on android :D
[18:56] <jonathan_> bambee: I've tried rebuilding the python-qt4 package from source on my system and it doesn't help
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> http://i.imgur.com/xQ6Fp.png <- I think the file isn't declaring its mimetype
[18:56] <shadeslayer> still downloading
[18:56] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: that's a bad bad file
[18:56] <shadeslayer> someone should spank it
[18:57] <shadeslayer> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[18:57] <shadeslayer> Length: 18996632 (18M) [video/mp4]
[18:57] <shadeslayer> looks fine here
[18:57] <bambee> jonathan_: which release ? on natty ?
[18:57] <bambee> or maverick ?
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> then it's chromium fail
[18:57] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: bad bad chromium
[18:57] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:58] <yofel> bambee: looks like maverick, but I find it odd that a  rebuild doesn't help
[18:58] <bambee> yofel: yup on natty it works fine here
[18:58] <jonathan_> bambee: yes, its maverick
[18:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: kool
[19:00] <jonathan_> bambee: sorry, I have to leave --- my mum got stuck in her car and needs help ;-)
[19:00] <yofel> jonathan_: pyqt4 version?
[19:00] <yofel> ah, sure ^^
[19:01] <bambee> jonathan_: sure ^^
[19:02]  * c2tarun taking sip4
[19:03] <yofel> c2tarun: we don't backport that
[19:03] <yofel> I'll mark it blocked again on the wiki, sry
[19:03] <c2tarun> yofel: why?
[19:03] <yofel> c2tarun: try to build it, have fun, you'll need to fix maverick python3 first
[19:04] <yofel> that's why we're stuck on kdebindings 4.6 RC1
[19:05] <c2tarun> yofel: hmm.... and natty even have only python 2.7.1 and no python 3. is python3 available soomewhere?
[19:06] <yofel> c2tarun: python3 is installable since quite a while ago, python 2.7.1 is just the default
[19:06] <c2tarun> yofel: no getting, what do you mean by installable? its out there in upstream but we don't have that in archives?
[19:07] <yofel> c2tarun: it's in the archive
[19:07] <yofel> !info python3
[19:08] <c2tarun> yofel: python and python are not related? ( I mean is python3 newer version of python?)
[19:08] <c2tarun> yofel: python and python3 are not related? ( I mean is python3 newer version of python?)
[19:09] <yofel> c2tarun: python3 is a major new release with quite a lot changes, we're sticking to python2 for now, and using 2.7.1 as default in natty, but you can install python3
[19:09] <yofel> c2tarun: also, you can have more than one python version installed at the same time, like 2.5, 2.6, 2.7, 3.1 and 3.2
[19:10] <c2tarun> yofel: ok, and you are saying that for sip4 or kdebindings we need python3?
[19:10] <yofel> c2tarun: sip4 builds it's modules for both python 2 and python 3 - and the maverick python 3 debhelper scripts are broken
[19:11] <c2tarun> yofel: broken? means
[19:11] <apachelogger_> bambee: welcome to the ninjas :D
[19:11] <yofel> sip fails to build
[19:11] <yofel> it compiles fine, but the package isn't being created correctly
[19:12] <yofel> and without natty sip backported we can't backport newer kdebindings, so we're stuck there
[19:12] <Trouble> Is 4.6.1 for Maverick ready for testing in ninjas?
[19:12] <yofel> Trouble: it is
[19:12]  * yofel does an installation test
[19:13] <Trouble> Win! I'm gonna go get myself some of that action...
[19:13] <c2tarun> yofel: hmm... .so if you guys are stuck, there is no point tryin any hand on it :/ is there any other pacakge work pending?
[19:13] <yofel> c2tarun: not really, now we need to test if things work
[19:13] <shadeslayer> ok night guys
[19:13] <shadeslayer> cya tomorrow
[19:13] <yofel> nini shadeslayer
[19:13] <c2tarun> gn shadeslayer :)
[19:14] <c2tarun> yofel: test what?
[19:15] <yofel> c2tarun: install 4.6.1 on our systems and see if anything went wrong during packaging - ok, we can't test everything, but at least look for obvious erros
[19:15] <yofel> *errors
[19:15] <bambee> apachelogger_: thanks :D
[19:16] <bambee> I did it! I'm a ninja :p
[19:16] <c2tarun> yofel: on my system or on chroot?
[19:16] <bambee> :)
[19:16] <yofel> oh yeah, welcome bambee ^^
[19:16] <c2tarun> congrats bambee
[19:16] <c2tarun> :)
[19:16] <yofel> c2tarun: chroot is ok to check if things install (I'm doing that currently) - but we'll need real installations to check if things work
[19:17] <yofel> c2tarun: and by now it shouldn't break your system, if it does we have a problem
[19:18] <c2tarun> yofel: I'll install a separate copy of kubuntu and test packages there as well but first I need to know how testing works :( how can I look for packages that needs testing?
[19:18] <yofel> c2tarun: erm, just add the ppa on your system and update?
[19:18] <c2tarun> yofel: which ppa?
[19:19] <yofel> as we need to check if updating from 4.6.0 to 4.6.1 will break anything - as that's what a lot of users will be doing tomorrow
[19:19] <yofel> ninjas
[19:19] <c2tarun> yofel: ok, I have that sorry to ask this but what is 4.6.0 I mean name of the application?
[19:19] <yofel> c2tarun: that's assuming you have kubuntu-ppa/backports already added and use 4.6.0
[19:20] <yofel> c2tarun: kde 4.6.0 release, after all we packaged all of kde now - so you'll update the parts you have installed
[19:21] <c2tarun> yofel: by kde you mean just the desktop environment? so I need to install kde 4.6.0 on my chroot and than I have to update it?
[19:22] <yofel> c2tarun: I'm not sure if chroot is worth it - I'm doing chroot upgrade tests, and I'm fast doing that, real maverick tests would be more helpful (if you have a spare installation that's using kde 4.6)
[19:22] <bambee> Error: can't find signing_key_fingerprint at https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ppa  o_O
[19:22]  * Trouble has *full* confidence in the Kubuntu devs and is updating his live installation!
[19:22] <bambee> (using add-apt-repository)
[19:22] <yofel> bambee: add-apt-repostory doesn't work with private ppas
[19:23] <bambee> ohh I did not know
[19:23] <bambee> good to know
[19:23] <c2tarun> bambee: add it directly to /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:23]  * yofel uses natty and can't test maverick ^^
[19:23] <bambee> ok
[19:23] <yofel> bambee: follow the instructions on the ppa page
[19:23] <Trouble> Hmm kernel updates too, brb - rebooting
[19:24] <c2tarun> yofel: I am using maverick right now but I'll also get a separate installation of kubuntu maverick. than what I have to do?
[19:24] <yofel> c2tarun: add kubuntu-ppa/backports to install 4.6.0, then add the ninjas ppa, install all updates and check if everything still works right
[19:25] <c2tarun> yofel: sure I'll do that :)
[19:25] <yofel> natty seems to work fine so far for me
[19:26] <c2tarun> yofel: all we need to test, no fixing or upgrade work left now?
[19:26] <yofel> c2tarun: for now we're done with packaging yep
[19:26] <yofel> c2tarun: oh right - are you on the kde-packagers mailing list yet?
[19:26] <c2tarun> yofel: nope
[19:27] <yofel> you'll have to file a sysadmin request for that, let me get the right place
[19:28] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od5iqxwvRJc
[19:28] <c2tarun> apachelogger_: shadeslayer slept I guess..
[19:29] <apachelogger_> he always sleeps
[19:29] <apachelogger_> he is weak
[19:29] <yofel> c2tarun: go to https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=sysadmin&format=guided choose 'mailinglists' as component, say that you're packaging for kubuntu and that they should please add you do the kde-packagers mailing list
[19:29] <yofel> needs to be done like that since the mailing list is as secret as our ninjas :P
[19:29]  * apachelogger_ needs to do somnething about his suffix
[19:29] <apachelogger_> apachelogger_: suffix go away!
[19:29] <yofel> but you'll get notified of new releases that need packaging there, and discussions about issues with the sources
[19:29] <apachelogger_> apachelogger_: hello?!?!?!!?
[19:29] <apachelogger_> meh
[19:30] <apachelogger_> do I have to do everything myself -.-
[19:30] <c2tarun> yofel: ok, I need a new account for that or LP one will do?
[19:30] <yofel> c2tarun: no, you'll need a kde bugzilla account
[19:30] <c2tarun> yofel: ok
[19:30] <yofel> useful to have anyway if you plan on sticking around
[19:36] <c2tarun> yofel: ok I filed the bug for joining mailing list :)
[19:50] <bambee> kde 4.6.1 <3 
[19:50] <bambee> :D
[19:51] <bambee> no just kde <3 
[19:53]  * Trouble <3 apachelogger > KDE
[19:54] <bambee> apachelogger: you won a fan :P
[19:54] <bambee> ;)
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> lol: d->m_oauth->setConsumerSecret("hammertime");
[19:56] <Trouble> apachelogger has a whole bunch of fans... https://launchpad.net/~we-love-harald
[19:57] <apachelogger> yay, more fans :)
[19:57]  * apachelogger hugs Trouble
[20:05] <apachelogger> meh
[20:05] <apachelogger> ScottK: kernel build starts in 5 hrs
[20:05] <ScottK> :-)
[20:05] <ScottK> If you'd got it done before Alpha 3 was out, we'd have been in business.
[20:06] <apachelogger> ah, now I am to blame :P
[20:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm sure somehow it's shadeslayer's fault for distracting you.
[20:08] <apachelogger> *nod*
[20:08] <apachelogger> oh
[20:08] <apachelogger> groovy
[20:08] <apachelogger> pkg-kde-tools cannot depend on gcc-4.4 on arm only because it is arch:all
[20:08] <apachelogger> great
[20:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: suggestions?
[20:10] <ScottK> What'd we do for qt4-x11?
[20:10] <ScottK> Do that again.
[20:10] <ScottK> It can depend on it all arch, but only use it in debian/rules on armel.
[20:11] <ScottK> arch/archs
[20:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^
[20:11] <apachelogger> oh
[20:11] <apachelogger> good point
[20:11] <apachelogger> lets do that
[20:12] <apachelogger> now I just need to find out which of the 300 mk files we have will be most useful to change :S
[20:25]  * apachelogger is next to clueless how to do this in darth dh7
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> Muon needs a nifty background image like the one USC has: http://i.imgur.com/BFCHu.png
[20:43] <apachelogger> very much so
[20:44] <apachelogger> in general it needs a more visual touch IMHO
[20:44] <apachelogger> the UI looks a bit mechanical :)
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> I think not using the regular grey background is a step in the right direction
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> Switching is also good since that means I can get rid of the horizontal separator below the breadcrumb, since if you have windeco separators enabled in Oxygen it looks weird
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> plus I can now use a grey font in the review widget: http://i.imgur.com/cf0ZB.png
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> and the screenshot fade-in is a bit more obvious now
[20:52] <jonathan_> yofel: mum saved, mission accomplished :-), can I return with my question about PyQt? Its python-qt4-4.8.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa2
[20:54]  * yofel takes a look at the crash again
[20:58] <bambee> yofel: python-qt4-4.8.3 is not backported for maverick ?
[20:59] <yofel> no, needs new sip which would need us to fix dh_python3 first
[20:59] <bambee> (maybe it was fixed in 4.8.2 or 4.8.3)
[20:59] <bambee> ok
[21:00] <yofel> I think at least
[21:02] <yofel> yep -  Depends: python-sip-dev (>= 4.12.1) but it is not going to be installed.
[21:02] <jjesse> with the release nof natty alpha 3 will it install now on my virtualbox amd64?
[21:04] <bambee> jjesse: normally it should (it worked just fine on virtualbox this morning)
[21:04] <bambee> and it was tested
[21:05] <bambee> (by many people)
[21:06] <yofel> jonathan_: I won't have time to look at this in-depth today (esp. since I don't have a maverick system to test this on here) - if bambee doesn't have any ideas you should file a bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ so it's not forgotten
[21:06] <jjesse> will it would be the first time in a long long time that i've gotten an amd64 build to run
[21:06] <jonathan_> sure, thanks for the effort anyway :-)
[21:12] <bambee> yofel: wait
[21:13] <bambee> _ZN16QGraphicsWebView20setResizesToContentsEb => it looks to QGraphicsWebview which is a valid class right ?
[21:13] <bambee>  QGraphicsWebview.setResizesToContents()
[21:14] <bambee> I find it in qt 4.7 but not in qt 4.6
[21:15] <yofel> 4.6? he's using maverick, not lucid, maverick has 4.7
[21:15] <bambee> I can confirm, it's not in qt 4.6
[21:15] <bambee> so wtf ?
[21:15] <yofel> er, also webkit is a bit complicated
[21:15] <yofel> !info libqtwebkit4
[21:17] <bambee> jonathan_: paste readelf -d /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/PyQt4/QtWebKit.so | grep NEEDED
[21:17] <bambee> please
[21:23] <bambee> jonathan_: still here ?
[21:24] <bambee> does the following command returns something : objdump -T /usr/lib/libQtWebKit.so | grep _ZN16QGraphicsWebView20setResizesToContentsEb ?
[21:28] <ulysses> where can be the new language selector kcm translated?
[21:29] <jonathan_> bambee: http://paste.ubuntu.com/575197/
[21:30] <jonathan_> bambee: the objdump command prints "00a58740 g    DF .text  00000032  Base        _ZN16QGraphicsWebView20setResizesToContentsEb"
[21:32] <bambee> apachelogger: an idea ?
[21:36] <apachelogger> I shall have context plz
[21:37] <yofel> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/575113/
[21:38] <apachelogger> well
[21:38] <apachelogger> symbol mismatch
[21:38] <apachelogger> obviously :)
[21:39] <apachelogger> pyqt was built against a different version of the qtwebkit ABI 
[21:39] <bambee> so it's an ABI imcompatibility ?
[21:39] <bambee> incompatibility *
[21:39] <apachelogger> most likely
[21:39] <apachelogger> pyqt likes to have those
[21:39] <bambee> aarrff
[21:40] <apachelogger> Dependency is not satisfiable: python-scour
[21:40] <apachelogger> gaw
[21:40] <apachelogger> d
[21:40] <apachelogger> I hate it so much
[21:40] <apachelogger> ....
[21:44] <apachelogger> !find libvlc4 lucid
[21:44] <apachelogger> !info libvlc4 lucid
[21:44] <apachelogger> silly me
[21:44] <apachelogger> omg
[21:44] <apachelogger> !info vlc lucid
[21:44] <apachelogger> lololo
[21:45] <apachelogger> valorie: unless there is vlc 1.1.1 in the backporties there aint is gonna be no phonon vlc backport not
[21:48] <bambee> ulysses: we should ask to translate teams, I guess
[21:49] <bambee> there is a way to make a global request to each translate team ?
[21:49] <apachelogger>   Could not find compiler set in environment variable CC:
[21:49] <apachelogger>   yourmotha.
[21:49] <apachelogger> I like it when a plan comes together
[21:49] <apachelogger> \o/
[21:49] <bambee> \o/
[21:51] <valorie> OMG y'all have mad skillz!
[21:51] <jonathan_> bambee: I have filed it as a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/728701, is that o.k.?
[21:51] <jonathan_> bambee: is there anything else I can do (I am fine with just giving up :-) )
[21:52] <valorie> cookies for everybody (shadeslayer*) who put Amarok 2.4 in lucid backports!
[21:52] <valorie> can vlc 1.1.1 be put into backports?
[21:52] <bambee> jonathan_: 4.10.5 ?
[21:52] <valorie> I see it isn't, but can it be?
[21:53]  * valorie ups the offer to cookies AND MILK
[21:53] <valorie> so our LTS users can haz backends too
[21:55] <apachelogger> that is for the backports team to decide
[21:56] <apachelogger> generally it can, whether that is a good idea or not is another question
[21:57] <valorie> ok
[21:57] <jonathan_> bambee: 4.10.5 what?
[21:57] <valorie> breakages and such are bad
[21:57] <apachelogger> ScottK:   Uploading pkg-kde-tools_0.9.3ubuntu7_source.changes: done.
[21:57] <apachelogger> that should force gcc 4.4
[21:57] <apachelogger> or so I hope
[21:57] <ScottK> apachelogger: Cool.
[21:58] <apachelogger> at least it breaks your CC var ^^
[21:58]  * apachelogger moves on to breaking his tablet
[22:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: How about CXX?
[22:03] <apachelogger> that too
[22:03]  * apachelogger is very successfull today
[22:03] <apachelogger> tablet does not boot no moar
[22:03] <ScottK> OK.  Just checking.
[22:04] <ScottK> A large hammer could either fix it or at least have your frustrations vented about it.
[22:08] <apachelogger> I do not own such a device :(
[22:09] <ScottK> Generally there are field expedient substitutes around.
[22:11] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[22:11]  * apachelogger tries a different rootf
[22:11] <apachelogger> s
[22:12] <apachelogger> nixternal: since you are custom rom master ... is there a way to debug booting?
[22:13]  * apachelogger finds his bootloader here rather unverbose
[22:13]  * debfx is going to break akonadi now
[22:15] <JontheEchidna> it was broken anyways :P
[22:16] <apachelogger> ..by design...
[22:52] <nixternal> apachelogger: yes, logcat
[22:53] <nixternal> if the phone is rooted of course, you can boot into recovery, connect via adb, logcat, then start it up. umm, best to use eclipse to be honest for debugging
[23:07] <apachelogger> nixternal: thx will try