=== claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [00:23] packaging experts - we are getting lots of requests for backporting Amarok 2.4 to Lucid [00:23] any possibility of that happening? [00:23] one of our guys tried to do it in a PPA, but wasn't successful [00:31] valorie: I get the same requests [00:32] Riddell: working on it, what part of the new language seletion stuff is new, need a graphic [00:34] valorie: it shouldn't be hard, unless there is some library that can't be upgraded in lucid [00:34] that would be lovely [00:34] * claydoh was going to look at it, but is a poor packager [00:35] to whom should I send cookies? [00:35] all of them :) [00:36] haha, that will have to wait until UDS [00:41] is there somewhere to add that request on the wiki, or something? [00:42] idunno [00:42] claydoh: now it's in System Settings: http://i.imgur.com/sOGdU.png [00:42] there may be a reason for not having one, [00:43] JontheEchidna: you da man thankyothankyouthankyou [00:43] never had to change languages before [00:43] I'll write to the kub-dev list and ask there [00:49] valorie: that sounds best, actually [01:10] email sent; off to dinner [01:23] why are people still using lucid? [01:24] There's that whole LTS thing [01:24] ahh, forgot about that [01:24] ;-) [01:25] !info amarok lucid [01:25] amarok (source: amarok): easy to use media player based on the KDE 4 technology platform. In component main, is optional. Version 2:2.3.0-0ubuntu4 (lucid), package size 5562 kB, installed size 22056 kB [01:25] That an Intel sucks on Maverick. [01:25] an/and [01:25] no comments on that [01:25] intel only sucks on *buntu, which i don't even care to dig into anymore [01:26] actually, i think it is sucking on my debian box too [02:04] my intel doesn't seem to suck, but I have not run anything but Natty on my new-used dell [02:04] other than vista that is [02:05] and that was only for a day or 2 [02:08] ScottK: is bug 634664 still valid for alpha3? and are there any other significant ones to mention? [02:08] Launchpad bug 634664 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Updates not downloaded during install when selected and internet is available" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634664 [02:16] claydoh: Dunno. It's been awhile since I did an install. [02:30] claydoh: i just installed yesterday or the day before, and the updates installed. that was using a live cd latest release, and it grabbed like 13 updates iirc [02:37] nixternal: well then i'll leave the known issues blank for now === jussi01 is now known as Guest39611 [05:14] apachelogger / shadeslayer: ping [05:15] if I were to start qt development on ubuntu, what pakcages do I need to install? [05:52] qt4-dev-tools and qtcreator would be a good start [05:54] I just did an install of qtcreator [05:54] I figure it will pull all the right deps [05:55] the dependency list looks fine, so that should give you everything yes [05:55] w00t, thanks :) [05:55] and here I am gettign converted to qt and kde step by step [06:04] phew [06:04] success [08:36] morning === tarun is now known as c2tarun [08:36] good morning :) [08:40] :) [08:42] I guess that the following patch can be accepted but UNRELEASED ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/574871/ [08:43] I mean it can be accepted as a simple bugfixes ? I don't think so.. but I prefer ask [08:47] bambee: I think dep3 tags with patches would be a good option :) [08:48] dep3 ? [08:48] !dep3 [08:48] Sorry, I don't know anything about dep3 [08:49] http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/ [08:49] bambee: http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/ [08:50] thanks [09:54] bambee: dep 3 doesn't apply there, that's for patches which live in the packaging [09:54] bambee: what does this patch do? [09:55] basically: apply is clickable only when a "component" is clicked and not on item changed (it was confusing) [09:56] components are clickable ONLY when they are available and not installed yet [09:56] if the component is installable it's checked but disabled (in grey) [09:56] s/installable/installed/ (sorry) [09:56] bambee meant: "if the component is installed it's checked but disabled (in grey)" [09:58] I also add tooltips on checkboxes : for disabled checkboxes there is a "not available component", for checked checkboxes there is a "already installed component" and for not checked checkbox there is a "not installed component" [09:58] that all [09:58] so basically: it's less confusing :) [09:59] Riddell: just try it, you will find a difference :) [10:00] (ps: all these details are summarised in the changelog) [10:05] also try the following thing: click a language, then check a checkbox... then uncheck it... apply is reverted :) [10:05] sorry busy with alpha 3 now [10:05] will get to it sometime today [10:06] I understand [11:06] shadeslayer: yo, what it your conf.kde.in tutorial going to cover? [11:07] Riddell: the 45 minute talk? or the workshop? [11:07] because there is a bit of a issue wrt the workshop [11:07] they only have fedora systems there :( [11:07] Riddell: when are you landing here again? [11:08] shadeslayer: both [11:08] shadeslayer: can I recommend ec2? :) [11:08] nigelb: monday night [11:08] woot [11:08] but I've no idea what happens then [11:08] Riddell: i could make them ssh into my machine, much faster that way [11:08] ok, I should plan to get back to bangalore soonish then [11:09] everything is already set up here [11:09] shadeslayer: are we all meeting for dinner some day? [11:09] shadeslayer: why not just set up an ec2 machine for each person? [11:09] nigelb: sure [11:09] Riddell: works for me [11:09] also [11:09] this gives me a idea [11:10] yofel: let's write neonbuild [11:10] use screen and let everyone see what you're doing? ;) [11:10] nigelb: what's the fun in that :P [11:10] haha [11:10] people don't learn if they don't make mistakes [11:11] I may attend only the workshops [11:11] shadeslayer: we can work out a script to set up machines given people's launchpad id [11:11] nigelb: what should I do a workshop on? [11:12] Riddell: ooh. Getting started with QT? Or something to do with packaging? [11:12] I'm down to do a getting started with PyKDE one, but there are two other PyQt workshops [11:12] but I think packaging is being covered by shadeslayer no? [11:12] how about a c++ one? [11:12] qt with c++ that is [11:12] Riddell: packaging nightly builds yes [11:13] shadeslayer: how much does that cover normal packaging? [11:13] Riddell: no script is required, just install the PPA [11:13] a debian packaging session for your app would go a long way [11:14] so I could cover writing a simple pyKDE app and getting it packaged and into kubuntu? [11:14] \o/ WIN [11:15] shadeslayer: or does that overlap with you too much? [11:15] Riddell: well ..... it covers some debian files, the most important ones, you could do something like a advanced packaging session [11:15] Riddell: nah ... should be fine [11:16] i'd attend it ... i've never handled a python package [11:16] hehe [11:16] shadeslayer: you still don't know where your staying right? [11:16] nigelb: yeah :( [11:16] pradeepto sent me a survey thingy [11:17] but no news on accomodation yet [11:17] he told me something [11:17] hmm, lost it now [11:17] some hotel a bus ride away from the place [11:18] I hope pradeepto gets back to me today, I'm going to England tomorrow and may not have internet access until I arrive in India [11:18] I have quite a ride to the place :| [11:19] ouch [11:19] Probably an hour to get there. At least. [11:19] and don't even talk to me about getting back, that'd be far worse [11:20] ug commuting, I'm so glad I don't live in a big city [11:20] hhaha [11:20] nigelb: yeah i think me and sidharth will book a taxi when we go back [11:22] shadeslayer: please do, its worth it [11:22] Also of note: autos are not allowed inside the airport. [11:24] oh oh oh [11:24] "autos"? [11:24] Riddell: you should totaly ride one [11:24] Riddell: 3 wheeler vehicles [11:24] kubotu: google indian autos [11:24] Results for indian autos: 1. Auto rickshaw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_rickshaw | 2. Indian Autos Blog | Indian Automobile Blog | Auto News India | Car ...: http://indianautosblog.com/ | 3. Another Tata Nano bursts into flames! | Indian Autos blog: http://indianautosblog.com/2010/03/another-tata-nano-bursts-into-flames [11:25] I used to be a rickshaw driver before my Kubuntu days, back then we had to paddle of course, none of this motor stuff [11:25] peddle [11:25] O_O [11:26] well .. there are tonga's for that [11:26] more popular in bengal tho [11:26] yeah, none of that in Bangalore [11:26] * shadeslayer checks the weather in bengaluru [11:27] its hot :| [11:27] 31 oC [11:27] :O [11:27] it's 11 oC here [11:27] nigelb: humid? [11:27] .. thank god it's not humid [11:27] Humidity: 7% [11:28] shadeslayer: for me its dry, coming from north ymmy [11:28] Right now, I'm in Kerala, 100% humidiy :| [11:28] s/humidiy/humidity [11:28] whoa [11:28] nigelb: it's 88 % here [11:28] but its cold [11:28] eyah [11:28] its hot and humid for me [11:28] I should pack light clothes and sun cream I think [11:28] *yeah [11:29] Riddell: yep [11:29] err, night times can be colder in Bangalore btw [11:29] i see ... 16oC as a low [11:29] lows are 14 to 18 [11:29] BBC says night is 16°C that's still t-shirt and shorts weather [11:30] hmm [11:30] oh, well [11:30] and right now i'm in jeans and a shirt in 11 oC [11:32] Riddell, pack light. [11:32] Riddell, first visit to india ? [11:32] tazz: yes [11:33] Riddell, stock up on some russel peters videos for the plain ride... Seriously. You'll thank me when you land in India. [11:33] who? [11:34] yofel: around? [11:34] russell peters*sorry... [11:34] lol [11:34] tazz: who? [11:34] Riddell, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5jlrxcpkI this guy. [11:34] tazz++ [11:34] haha [11:35] just for suggesting Russell peters [11:35] thats very much what india is like really... [11:35] tazz++ [11:35] tazz++ [11:35] tazz++ [11:35] tazz++ [11:35] tazz++ [11:36] nigelb, erm... wrong channel ? Some places its actually considered spamming :p [11:36] American standup? [11:36] Riddell: and prepare to be fleeced :P [11:36] and prepare to bargain like hell [11:36] tazz: nah, right channel ;) [11:37] Riddell, canadian Standup to be knitpicking :p [11:37] s/knitpicking/nitpicking/ [11:37] tazz meant: "Riddell, canadian Standup to be nitpicking :p" [11:38] I'm going to Birmingham tomorrow, so I'll be able to compare who does a better Chicken Tikka Masala, English or Indians :) [11:38] Hrm, is it still a bug that Im getting no redrawing sometimes on intel (screen artifacts) [11:38] ? [11:39] jussi: try raster [11:39] maybe that helps [11:39] ( altho it probably won't ) [11:39] Riddell: we would want amarok 2.4 to go into kubuntu updates right? [11:39] since everyone is using a LTS release [11:39] valorie: ^^ [11:40] shadeslayer: no, backports [11:40] ah ok [11:41] lucid-backports if possible [11:41] While installing build-dependencies for kdenetwork on maverick I got E: Broked packages. Why so? [11:41] well .... i'll try for lucid backports first then [11:41] backporting from natty [11:42] here is the complete log while installing the build-dep for kdenetwork http://paste.kde.org/6283/ [11:43] c2tarun: check if sudo apt-get -f install is happy [11:44] nope [11:44] Riddell: not working :( [11:45] c2tarun: what's it saying? [11:45] Riddell: same error check this error log http://paste.kde.org/6283/ [11:46] that's not sudo apt-get -f install [11:46] Riddell: error was same so I refered to that log, http://paste.kde.org/6284/ here is the log for -f [11:48] shadeslayer: how exactly do I "try raster"? [11:48] jussi: one sec :) [11:48] c2tarun: no, run just "sudo apt-get -f install" [11:49] jussi: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KCM+Qt+Graphics+System?content=129817 [11:49] apachelogger made a nice app [11:49] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/6285/ [11:50] c2tarun: apt-cache policy libkio5 [11:50] O_O http://paste.kde.org/6286 [11:52] Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/6287/ [11:53] ah better now [11:53] * shadeslayer removed the PPA [11:53] shadeslayer: do you know if he debianised it at all? [11:53] jussi: nope .. you'll have to compile it [11:53] :( [11:54] c2tarun: "500 https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ninjas/ppa/ubuntu/ natty/main i386 Packages" notice anything wrong there? [11:54] there are instructions in there :D [11:54] jussi: it's fairly simple to compile it [11:54] shadeslayer: Id rather not be compiling stuff on the work lappy, thats all [11:54] Riddell: ahh... that username and password is missing :( sorry [11:54] ah .. [11:55] jussi: ok lemme see if i can make a deb [11:55] c2tarun: more that you're installing natty packages on maverick [11:55] shadeslayer: 64 bit please :) [11:55] oh goody [11:55] shadeslayer: and thank you :) [11:55] jussi: this just became easier :D [11:56] sure no problem [11:56] jussi: is it a particular app or the whole desktop btw? [11:57] shadeslayer: whole desktop [11:57] because you can launch plasma with : plasma-desktop -graphicssystem raster .... [11:57] jussi: ^^ try : kquitapp plasma-desktop; plasma-desktop -graphicssystem raster [11:57] oh lookie [11:57] amarok is compiling [11:58] Riddell: fixed it :) and very sorry for such silly mistake :( [11:58] shadeslayer: it seemed to restart plasma but gave http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/574936/ [11:59] mind, everything seems much faster now [11:59] jussi: did plasma startup? [11:59] and desktop effects appear to actually work [11:59] yes [11:59] that's all we want :P [11:59] jussi: artifacts? [12:00] I havent seen any artifacts since the plasma restart and speed is better [12:00] yeah raster has that effect :P [12:00] jussi: now imagine this one *every* kde app [12:00] this is just plasma ... you can use it with every app :) [12:01] shadeslayer: heh [12:02] jussi: do you have lucid? [12:02] shadeslayer: no [12:02] mav? [12:02] yes [12:02] http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kcm-qt-graphicssystem/ << [12:02] i see some binaries there [12:03] Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/725959 blasts every Qt app on my natty netbook sky high [12:03] Ubuntu bug 725959 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "libqt4 4:4.7.1-0ubuntu10, 11 and 12 produce segfault in VirtualBox (libqtgui4)" [Medium,Fix committed] [12:03] oh oh [12:03] jussi: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kcm-qt-graphicssystem [12:03] seem's it's debianized [12:04] so anyone have some experience with qt qml designer [12:04] ScottK: the n900 FTBFS is from our uploads actually [12:04] or at least mine ^^ [12:04] * apachelogger thought we had ABI checks turned out, turns out we did not [12:05] Please be fixing then. [12:05] I do not have my keys on this machine... [12:05] ScottK: if you have time, you just need to copy the abi stuff in debian.n900 for .2 and .3 [12:05] as we did not change the ABI anyway [12:06] OK. [12:06] You need to fix pkg-kde-tools anyway. [12:07] yeah [12:07] probably depending on gcc-4.4 and conflicting gcc-4.5 should do the trick there [12:08] ScottK: we have a request for backporting amarok 2.4 to lucid [12:09] ScottK: i'm working on it, but i'd like to hear your thought's on it [12:09] shadeslayer: You'd need to do maverick too. [12:09] ah [12:09] you mean backport to maverick backports first? [12:09] shadeslayer: It can be done at the same time. [12:09] ( amarok 2.4 is already in the ppa ) [12:10] for maverick i mean ^^ [12:10] OK. [12:10] ScottK: seems the clue with kernel packages is to only n.m increment the revision when doing non-abi changes [12:10] ok i'll opena bug for that [12:10] from looking at linux that I gather [12:10] I see. [12:10] Is something wrong here: http://dpaste.com/468584/ [12:13] steveire: You should install updates first. You're missing the libc6 from lucid-updates. It's not broken as is, your just missing the latest update. [12:16] apachelogger: I'm packaging the new Qt now wi [12:17] th the fix for that [12:17] mrgh [12:18] ScottK: Thanks. [12:18] shadeslayer: I think we broked it :D http://imgur.com/qvAEP [12:18] steveire: You're welcome. [12:19] lolz [12:19] jussi: yeah that can happen [12:19] jussi: probably because not everything is using raster [12:19] Riddell: hey I saw on ppa page a report that kdeutils failed to build due to unmet dependencies, I build that package yesterday on maverick machine. (there I may have got dependencies by that private ppa) If I was able to build succesfully due to this fact than why are these pacakges from ppa are not in archive? [12:19] or is this after installing KCM? [12:20] s/KCM/the KCM Module [12:20] jussi: you use chromium ... i'm disappointed :( [12:21] darn, you shoulda used lynx ;) [12:21] shadeslayer: find me a browser that does what I want it to do, as quick and cleanly as chromium and Ill switch [12:21] module "QtQuick" is not installed [12:21] jussi: rekonq? :P [12:21] shadeslayer: this is after installing the deb you linked to. [12:21] or firefox [12:21] oh [12:21] jussi: uninstall that deb [12:21] and install the one from the archives [12:23] shadeslayer: err? archives? which is (packagename? [12:23] jussi: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kcm-qt-graphicssystem [12:25] thanks [12:26] !find googlemaps.qml [12:26] Package/file googlemaps.qml does not exist in maverick [12:26] aw [12:28] c2tarun: i think that's because kdebase-workspace was not up to date in the archive [12:29] it can probably be retried now [12:30] btw who made that rtorrent UI at UDS? [12:30] i don't remember [12:33] I started downloading the natty alpha from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/11.04/alpha-2/ and it's coming in at 49kbps. Am I just on a slow mirror? [12:45] shadeslayer: ryan from ars technica [12:45] alrighty :) [12:45] steveire: i think we're all busy rsyncing alpha 3 candidates which might be slowing the server [12:46] Ah [12:46] Riddell: any idea's what his irc nick is? [12:46] dude use zsync [12:46] zsync++ [12:47] shadeslayer: no. markey knows [12:47] oh ok [12:47] shadeslayer: what's the difference? [12:47] Riddell: zsync downloads only the diff [12:47] instead of the whole file [12:47] ( dunno how rsync does it ) [12:47] and what's the difference to rsync? [12:48] al: rsync also downloads the diff? [12:48] yes, but with less overhead [12:48] oh .. i thought zsync used lesser overhead [12:49] well, i'm not entirely sure [12:50] but since the web site states "zsync provides transfers that are nearly as efficient as rsync -z", i guess it's correct [12:50] Riddell: is this version name correct for kdenetwork 4:4.6.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1? [12:51] well i just follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO [12:51] :P [12:51] c2tarun: yes [12:52] shadeslayer: I broke it (tried opengl), now cant log in - is there some way to revert it from the cli? [12:52] Guest39611: jussi ? [12:52] shadeslayer: oh. yes [12:52] sorry [12:52] :D === Guest39611 is now known as jussi01 [12:52] hmm [12:53] looking [12:53] Ive tried the failsafe login === jussi01 is now known as Guest24446 [12:53] I guess its somewhere in a rc file? [12:53] bah === Guest24446 is now known as jussi01 [12:55] yeah [12:55] it's probably in a file [12:56] !find qt-graphicssystem.sh [12:56] Package/file qt-graphicssystem.sh does not exist in maverick [12:56] :/ [12:56] ah [13:00] jussi01: echo export QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=native% &> .kde/env/qt-graphicssystem.sh [13:00] or change raster to native in that file [13:03] hmm [13:03] shadeslayer: I win :) [13:04] Riddell: do i put amarok for lucid in the ninja's ppa or the staging ppa? [13:04] It was letting me login, but noth showing anything but window fromes [13:04] ah [13:04] LD [13:04] :D [13:04] so I "guessed" where things were [13:04] jussi01: that can happen sometimes [13:04] lol [13:04] jussi: yeah so raster isn't still finished [13:04] shadeslayer: staging, nothing secret there [13:04] okay [13:04] make sure staging is empty first [13:05] yeah doing that [13:06] ** new alpha 3 candidate live CDs for testing [13:07] amarok uploaded to staging [13:08] time to tell people [13:20] shadeslayer: neonbuild? [13:20] yofel: neon + pdebuild [13:20] sets up a pbuilder for building packages for neon [13:21]