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tjaaltonis there a way to run the sound preferences manually? sometimes the menuentry on the sound menu stops working, and I need to switch the output after resume to hear my music :)07:04
didrocksgood morning07:37
pittiGood morning08:22
seb128hello pitti08:23
pittibonjour seb12808:23
seb128hello desktopers08:23
dpmgood morning all08:23
dpmhey seb128, hey pitti08:23
pittilost backscroll over night, so if you said anything to me, please repeat08:23
seb128hey dpm08:23
seb128how are you?08:23
seb128pitti, I think some people mentioned what a slacker you are but if you lost scrollback I will not give names08:23
* pitti goes to fetch a drink and heads over to the pool08:24
seb128sounds like a plan now ;-)08:25
didrockshey pitti, seb12808:28
seb128lut didrocks08:29
didrockshey dpm08:29
dpmheya didrocks :)08:29
dpmDoes anyone has an idea on how I could debug bug 726496 (or provide some more useful info so someone else more knowledgeable can debug it)? smspillaz, any hints?08:30
ubot2Launchpad bug 726496 in compiz "Cannot use Unity or Classic desktop with effects after the latest nvidia+xorg update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72649608:30
didrocksdpm: on your bug report, ah crap, I remembered this morning that I had to tell you something08:30
didrocksah right, this one!08:30
didrocksthanks, was looking for it :)08:30
dpmdidrocks, you're doing the mind reading thing again!08:30
didrocksso, do you have latest xorg and nvidia? it's working there :)08:30
didrocksjust monitoring unity bugs :)08:30
didrocksensure that you have nvidia-current instaled08:31
dpmok, let me re-check...08:31
seb128hum, bug emails are suprisingly low for an alpha week08:32
didrocksseb128: btw, thanks for the nux compiz redirecting08:32
pittibonjour didrocks08:32
seb128didrocks, yw08:32
didrocksseb128: were all of them old ones?08:32
didrockslike, with the old hook?08:32
dpmdidrocks, yeah, I do have nvidia-current installed. In fact, the bug was only triggered when I did the update to the latest nvidia+xorg08:32
seb128didrocks, yes, I've been cleaning a bit the launchpad crash bugs reported recently08:33
didrocksseb128: I don't really know, I can't access a lot of them…08:34
didrocksnot sure which rights is missing, core-dev and the right bug triage team should be enough though :/08:34
didrocksdpm: hum… I guess that glxinfo will tell you "software rendered" and your Xorg.conf is still refering the nvidia driver?08:35
dpmlet me check...08:35
seb128didrocks, why do you say you can't access those?08:37
didrocksseb128: not right now, but for most of bug report, I get the "You are not allowed" page08:38
dpmdidrocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/574869/ (xorg.conf, seems to refer to the right driver) and http://paste.ubuntu.com/574870/ (glxinfo output, not sure what I should be looking at there)08:39
didrocksdirect rendering: Yes08:41
didrockssounds good08:41
didrocksI have no clue then, even the classic session not working?08:41
seb128didrocks, how do you get the number if you are not allowed?08:41
didrocksdpm: try running unity08:42
seb128didrocks, you should either not see it at all or have access if you see it08:42
didrocksseb128: people pasting them08:42
seb128didrocks, if you don't have access to non retracer crashes it's normal08:42
didrockslike yesterday with fta08:42
seb128nobody has08:42
RAOFdidrocks: Direct rendering will be yes in all but the most broken of setups.08:42
seb128non retraced08:42
seb128didrocks, it's only the bot which has access before retracing08:42
didrocksI didn't know that08:42
didrocksok, I feel stupid :)08:42
didrocksor not informed rather ;)08:43
seb128it subscribe the bugsquader once retraced08:43
didrocksok ok, that's the reason why :)08:43
didrocksI was thinking of more "black magic" access control08:43
seb128to have access to those we can run a launchpadlib script with the retracer credential from the dc if required08:43
didrocksjust subscribing the team by the bot…08:43
seb128which subscribe the bug team to the bug08:43
dpmdidrocks, "Classic Desktop (No effect)" works, but "Classic Desktop" does not work. I'm on "Classic Desktop (No effect)" now, do you mean I should try running unity there?08:43
seb128session restart brb08:44
didrocksdpm: yeah, please08:44
dpmdidrocks, ok, brb, if it doesn't work I might have to reboot...08:44
didrocksdpm: ok :)08:45
doko_Sweetshark: libreoffice build on armel did succeed, now identify the 3.2.1 backports for lucid ...08:46
dpm_didrocks: hm, that did not seem to work. Same effect: screen frozen, but I could move the mouse pointer08:49
didrocksdpm_: that would be a question for #ubuntu-x I guess so :/08:50
dpm_ok, thanks for your help anyway, I'll try there!08:51
Sweetsharkdoko_: *confused* what do you mean with "identify"?08:59
Sweetsharkdoko_: and \o/ for the armel build09:00
doko_-> jani (no, he's not on this channel)09:00
pittihey Sweetshark, doko; good morning!09:05
seb128pitti, you french hater09:16
pittiI hate German as well now09:16
pitti * Languages: es xh09:16
pittithis is really poor09:16
pittiI still wonder what made the CDs grow so much since a209:17
pittighostscript/libgs9/libgs9-common grew quite a bit09:18
didrocks(unity isn't guilty this time I think :))09:24
didrocksseb128: don't be afraid, that's still a valid case for ubuntu-fr doing our French respin :)09:24
seb128lol, indeed09:25
pittiI only have a nice tool to compare alternates, but they didn't grow much in the first place09:26
pittiI think we need to compare an alpha-2 vs. alpha-3 desktop CD dir by dir09:26
pittiand see what made them baloon09:27
seb128pitti, can you log in launchpad under the apport retracer id?09:52
pittiseb128: yes, I created that user09:52
seb128pitti, can you do it and check if there are recent crash bugs not tagged?09:52
seb128pitti, I'm surprised we didn't get any unity crasher since yesterday09:52
seb128just to check that there is not an issue, seeing that mterry bug didn't get tagged yesterday09:53
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone10:02
seb128hey chrisccoulson, how are you?10:03
chrisccoulsonhi seb128 - i'm good thanks, how are you?10:03
seb128I'm fine thanks10:03
DavieyHi, would someone be able to have a quick look at bug #728343 .. it's blocking us on a natty deliverable. Thanks.10:40
ubot2Launchpad bug 728343 in nux "unity_support_test crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::GraphicsDisplay::CreateOpenGLWindow()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72834310:40
Davieydidrocks, ^^10:42
didrocksDaviey: how is it blocking?10:43
didrocksDaviey: that's a nux crash, unity won't be running if it can't create an opengl window10:44
Davieydidrocks, Well.. not getting a desktop... i /assumed/ that was the cause10:44
seb128Daviey, if the helper fails you should go back to a normal GNOME10:44
Davieydidrocks, note, we did get a desktop on 0.9.22-0ubuntu110:45
Davieyseb128, Hmm.. Not getting that.10:45
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didrocks(sorry super busy with other thing)10:46
didrocksDaviey: you an try a workaround, but I'm afraid that unity will crash as well then10:46
seb128Daviey, did you try to select "classic desktop" in gdm to see?10:46
Davieyseb128, Not running GDM :(10:46
Davieyseb128, This is a cloud image, running on Amazon10:47
seb128njpatel, there?10:47
seb128gord, ?10:47
seb128Daviey, well, how is the session started if it's not using gdm? do you need unity or GNOME would be fine as well?10:48
* Daviey tries falling back to 0.9.22-0ubuntu1 to confirm10:48
seb128Daviey, you can't downgrade nux10:49
seb128Daviey, or you will need to downgrade the unity stack with it10:49
Davieyseb128, hmm... seems gdm /IS/ running gdm-binary ..10:49
DavieyI'm using NX, and TBH i'm not entirely clear how it spawns a desktop10:49
seb128Daviey, the abi is not stable and you need matching versions10:49
* Daviey weeps10:49
seb128Daviey, well you need to log in somewhere, like enter you login password infos10:49
Davieyseb128, That is done on the client, which logs in as user nx then ssh's to localhost using there credentials provided AIUI10:50
DavieyI then think it forwards the X session over ssh10:50
seb128Daviey, well, what starts the session must be selecting what is running10:51
seb128would be startx with a .xsession or gdm etc10:51
Davieythe client provides the option of "Gnome"10:52
njpatelseb128, sorry, in meeting10:53
seb128njpatel, no worry10:53
Davieyseb128, Is Unity 2D functional?10:54
gordare we sure unity isn't running?10:55
DavieyI'm wondering why i didn't fall back to that10:55
Davieygord, grep said unity isn't10:55
seb128unity is part of compiz but if it was running you would say the unity-panel-service running10:56
Davieygord / seb128: I'm happy for either of you two to ssh and have a poke, if that would help?10:56
seb128gord, well he gets unity_support_test crashing10:56
seb128Daviey, not especially, but what do need?10:57
seb128Daviey, do you need to fix a one time session or do you need a working system where people can log in10:57
seb128Daviey, do you need unity or would standard GNOME be fine for you?10:58
seb128we will probably not fix unity in your environment now10:58
seb128we can easily fix your running session10:58
Davieyseb128, eeek10:58
seb128or we can make you log in GNOME rather than unity until unity is fixed if that's ok10:58
seb128pitti, did you have a chance to check on the retracer bugs? or still busy fighting iso issues?10:59
pittiseb128: the former, just uploaded a workaround for the kubuntu failure, and now shepherding it through10:59
gordwhen is unity_support_test actually ran? its not part of the unity script11:00
seb128gord, gnome-session runs it to determine if unity can be started11:00
gordseb128, and if it fails surely its supposed to just go back to the classic desktop?11:01
seb128gord, yes11:02
seb128gord, still it would be better if it didn't fail since we want people to get unity11:02
seb128gord, it seems it was working until recently so the config is able to run unity11:02
gordseb128, right, its crashing, that is bad, i'll poke jay about that later but since it crashes the script (or whatever) should just load up default gnome and everything should be fine11:03
didrocks(if it fails, we still try to run unity for now)11:03
gordthere we go :) make it not do that11:03
didrocksgord: fix nux? ;)11:03
didrocksgord: the thing is that there are a lot of false positive (crash but unity running)11:04
didrocksgord: so better to fix the tester first11:04
didrocksalso, this is the gnome-session bug I opened about to "finish the work" to start unity on demand11:04
gorddidrocks, well then its a crappy test - honestly looking at it, we don't even use those code paths in unity so i don't know what on earth its supposed to be testing11:04
DavieyOkay, any ideas what i can do to force Classic in config?11:04
Davieyclassic will be able to unblock us for today.11:05
seb128gnome-session --session=classic-gnome11:05
seb128Daviey, run that in whatever script is calling gnome-session for you11:05
seb128you're welcome11:08
ftaseb128, didrocks; is bug 726063 really fixed??11:17
ubot2Launchpad bug 726063 in compiz "unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in draw_decor_list()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72606311:17
ftai still get it often here with 1:0.9.4-0ubuntu311:18
seb128fta, right, but there is still a crasher11:18
didrocksthis one is11:18
seb128you are sure it's the same stacktrace?11:18
didrocksnot all the crashers11:18
seb128there is another crasher11:18
ftahere is mine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/574931/11:20
pittiseb128: meh - https://bugs.launchpad.net/~apport/ keeps timing out ..11:23
seb128pitti, can you just got to ubuntu/+bugs, sort by newer first and see bugs with a lock11:24
seb128fta, what do you do to get it usually?11:24
ftaseb128, not sure, this time, i think it was when i closed fileroller, another time, it was with libreoffice11:25
pittiunfortunately I can't search private bugs only11:25
seb128pitti, well, sort by first and see those with a lock emblem in the list11:26
pitti(yup, doing)11:26
seb128pitti, "newest first"11:26
pittiok, 20/20 bugs properly tagged11:26
seb128pitti, it's my common way to review recent crashers and dispatch thoses11:26
pittiI now check the unity bugs11:26
seb128pitti, ok thanks, so it's just that we didn't get lot of testers or that unity is stable11:27
pittiseb128: hm, amongst the first 150 bugs there is only one private one, which is properly tagged11:28
pitti(and retraced)11:28
pittichekcing compiz11:28
seb128pitti, ok so there is no bug, thanks for checking11:28
pitticompiz has quite a few more11:29
seb128pitti, ok, so I start natty a2 and a3 in kvm and started checking what is using the iso11:29
pittiseb128: found one bug which isn't tagged, bug 72183011:29
ubot2pitti: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/721830)11:29
seb128pitti, so /usr/lib/gcc did 22 -> 3511:29
pittiseb128: so I'd say it does happen from time to time, but not too often (I tagged the missing bug)11:31
seb128pitti, ok11:31
seb128pitti, the cc1plus binary was not in a211:32
seb128it's taking 1011:32
seb128bug #728374, I hate those11:45
ubot2Launchpad bug 728374 in nautilus "nautilus assert failure: nautilus: ../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72837411:45
pittithat again?11:45
seb128they never stopped11:45
seb128we get one of those a week or so11:45
ftafiled bug 728383 then11:46
ubot2Launchpad bug 728383 in compiz "unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in draw_decor_list()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72838311:46
pittiseb128: I thought we'd have a bug pattern for that11:46
ftadidrocks, ^^11:50
ftadidrocks, btw, i still have to kill X after each reboot, compiz crashes on startup, giving me only the wallpaper with nothing else11:50
fta[   81.712382] compiz[1697]: segfault at 8 ip 0043e920 sp bfc50458 error 4 in libc-2.13.so[32a000+15a000]11:50
fta[  167.245657] SysRq : SAK11:50
fta[  167.245699] SAK: killed process 1049 (Xorg): task_session(p)==tty->session11:50
ftabut the apport file is almost empty11:51
ftano core11:51
didrocksurgh? and if you relaunch it from a tty?11:51
didrocksno crash?11:51
didrocksfta: I'm adding the other bug to the list11:51
ftaonce I killed it, it starts fine11:51
ftaonly the 1st session after a reboot11:52
ftaon 2 different desktops11:52
ftaone in autologin mode, not the other11:52
didrockswithout a core file, that would be hard11:52
didrockspitti: some idea why apport can't catch it?11:53
pittiI have the same on booting the live system on my mini 10; restarting sessino fixes it11:54
davmor2Guys I got something weird going on with my natty install all the apps I've added to the launchs icon have disappeared when I hover over them they are still there and if I open one all the icons below it appear again11:54
ftadidrocks, when i open the .crash file with apport, it says cannot be reported because of out of memory11:54
ftadidrocks, but being out of memory just after a reboot with 8GB of RAM seems like a huge leak11:55
didrocksdavmor2: this is on the dash, isn't it?11:55
didrocksfta: right, dunno, as pitti can reproduce, let's see…11:56
davmor2didrocks: no on the app launcher left hand side11:56
didrocksdavmor2: oh? this one isn't known11:57
didrocksbut can be the same cause11:57
davmor2didrocks: I've just done a quick video of it as soon as it's done I'll drop it on ubuntu one and give you the link11:58
didrocksdavmor2: please open a bug rather, affect unity upstream and nux please11:59
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davmor2didrocks: no problems11:59
didrocksdavmor2: I think it *may* be linked11:59
didrocksdavmor2: open the bug with ubuntu-bug and say "yes" when it asks you if the issue is graphical11:59
didrocksdavmor2: we will know all the dirty little secrets of your hardware with that :)12:00
davmor2didrocks: I am doing  :)12:00
davmor2didrocks: it's a pretty plain system to be honest,  everything works out of the box except the wifi Atheros chip (bug already in place for that though)12:01
davmor2didrocks: it's only my test box for Software Center work12:02
didrocksdavmor2: yeah, will be nice to find the common denomitor for those having those gl refresh issues, hence the bug will be of help for that12:02
davmor2didrocks: on it's way12:02
didrocksexcellent :)12:02
davmor2didrocks: bug #728393 including video12:07
ubot2Launchpad bug 728393 in unity "Missing icons in app launcher" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72839312:07
ftadidrocks, pitti: that startup bug description matches a bug i filed yesterday on my other desktop, with a valid crash file: bug 727636.. not sure it's the same though12:07
ubot2Launchpad bug 727636 in unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::CairoGraphics::GetBitmap()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72763612:07
didrocksdavmor2: fta: thanks. I'm chasing dx guys to look at those nux issues :)12:08
rodrigo_bigon, around?12:15
ftadidrocks, the last compiz seems to randomly shift the workspaces around, known?12:16
didrocksfta: hum no… do you have a reproducible test case?12:17
didrocksI'm using it since last week with 3x2 layout and didn't notice anything12:17
ftadidrocks, i have 6x1 workspaces, and sometimes, the 6th becomes 1st, shifting everything on the right12:17
ftajust happened 2 min ago, doing nothing12:17
didrockslog a bug, we'll see if anyone can reproduce12:18
ftawell, i clicked on the unity side panel12:18
didrocksI didn't see any new compiz bug on that though12:18
didrocksyou click on an item right?12:18
didrocksit tries to focus the app in the workspace12:18
ftait's a recent regression, it used to work fine12:18
didrocksmoving ws if you're not in that one12:18
ftaswitching me from a ws to another is fine, but re-numbering the ws is not12:20
didrocksyeah, if it's really shifting, I have no clue about such an issue12:21
didrocksso please, log a bug, with this description12:21
ftadidrocks, ok, will do. btw, apport just duped my other bug :(12:23
ftaso it was fixed after all12:23
ftaand should be re-opened12:23
ftaor un-duped12:23
didrocksyou have the latest compiz isn't it?12:24
didrocks(the one from Monday fixing some decorator crashes)12:24
didrocksok, unduped, then12:24
didrocksand reopen12:24
ftamy uptime is of less than 14h, so i should be fresh unity/compiz wise12:25
didrocksthose racy crashes are hard to be confirmed once they are "fixed"12:26
didrockssorry for the false positive12:27
chrisccoulsonhas anyone else noticed that unity-panel-service is leaking memory like a sieve?12:28
didrockschrisccoulson: no bug reported and I restart it so often that I can't confirm for sure :)12:29
chrisccoulsondidrocks, it uses over 1GB after a few hours here ;)12:30
didrocksurgh :)12:30
ftachrisccoulson, no obvious leak here.. after 14h: fta       2252  0.0  1.8 148144 62524 ?        Sl   Mar02   0:31 /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service12:33
seb128didrocks, the previous crasher was fixed though12:40
seb128didrocks, it happened every time you used update-manager and that stopped with the update12:40
didrocksweird, not sure what fta has he's sure to be up to date12:41
seb128fta, what compiz version do you have?12:41
didrocks(I think that apport would not have let him reporting the other crash)12:42
ftaseb128, i'm up-to-date: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.12:47
ftaseb128, 1:0.9.4-0ubuntu312:52
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seb128didrocks, it apport know you are outdated13:01
seb128didrocks, which is not the case if you use a mirror lagging behind13:01
seb128didrocks, you think you are uptodate and apport does as well since you are in regard of your mirror13:01
didrocksright, but lagging 2 days behind… ;)13:01
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ftaseb128, i'm using archive.ubuntu.com13:07
ftadidrocks, bug 72842813:10
ubot2Launchpad bug 728428 in unity "unity messes up with workspaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72842813:10
didrocksfta: thanks, waiting for someone to confirm if they are more clue when it happens13:11
seb128never got it to break ws layout here13:18
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bigonrodrigo_: hey14:05
bigonI've seen your mail, the wrapper the guy need to write is due to an not uptodate gjs on his machine14:06
davmor2didrocks: weirdly all my icon have come back again after an unlock from screensaver14:21
didrocksdavmor2: it's really a refresh issue14:22
davmor2ah okay that would possibly explain it then everything would of been redrawn14:22
vishrodrigo_: hi, in your post about gnome3 ppa, you thanked "allan day", was that for the answer on askubuntu or just something else.. [cause the answer on askubuntu is not from allan ;) ]14:27
vishits from > https://launchpad.net/~andrewsomething14:28
hrwwwhich packages (other then ubuntu-desktop) I should install to be able to login into gnome (or unity) desktop?14:30
hrwwor which ~/.* dirs I should drop to get rid of old settings from 2.0/2.x gnome era14:30
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vishhrw: ~/.gconf , ~/.config , ~/.gnome2 and just to be safe ~/.gconfd14:32
vishhrw: you could keep a backup of ~/.config and try to selectively restore some of it for other apps14:33
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hrwis it normal that compiz segfaults on alt-tab?15:04
* hrw discovers new world of crashy^Wgnome desktop15:04
rodrigo_vish, I thanked allan day for finding that page :)15:06
rodrigo_bigon, ok, also your gnome-shell package works great on my desktop machine, but on my laptop it fails with undefined symbol JS_StrictPropertyStub, but seems I'm up-to-date also, so any idea what package I'm missing?15:07
bigonrodrigo_: mmmh not really15:07
hrw-backupsorry about rejoins but compiz again took down my desktop15:07
seb128hrw: can you report a bug using ubuntu-bug?15:12
seb128hrw: will apport should catch the crash and suggest to report it15:12
rodrigo_bigon, hmm, have an older version of xulrunner-2.0, updating that to check if that was the problem15:15
hrwbug 72849515:19
ubot2Launchpad bug 728495 in compiz "hangs machine on alt-tab or going to screen corner" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72849515:19
seb128hrw: seems likely to be an ati bug15:21
hrwo.. this time only compiz crashed15:21
hrwseb128: I did not had this problem with kwin or xfwm415:21
didrockspitti: do you really want me to fix the LTSP bug?15:23
didrocksI have not such a configuration or whatever :)15:23
seb128hrw, well they might not use opengl the same way15:23
hrwseb128: possible15:24
hrwseb128: so time for me to 'dpkg --purge compiz' and enable xfwm4 instead?15:24
pittididrocks: it looked like a problem in the session type autodetection; not necessarily fix, but Stephane had some comments/questions there, perhaps you can verify them and ask him to check a few more things?15:24
pittididrocks: otherwise just bounce it back to c-d-t15:24
seb128hrw: it's your system, don't ask me what you should use15:25
pitti^ absolutely feel free to do that -- I just try to find assignees for RC bugs15:25
seb128hrw: but if you get a crash please report it15:25
didrockspitti: I'll answer him, but I think the questions were for Patrick15:25
hrwseb128: sure, just wanted to say "what options do I have now" in other words15:25
seb128hrw, well report your crash to start so we can have a better idea where the issue is15:25
seb128hrw, if it's a driver issue the #ubuntu-x guys might have some xorg.conf option to workaround it15:26
seb128otherwise you can try to switch between ati and fglrx drivers15:26
seb128give us the bug number if you report the crash15:26
hrwseb128: ok15:27
rodrigo_bigon, ok, fixed it with the update to xulrunner-2.0 and the latest gsettings-desktop-schemas, so working in both of my machines15:28
rodrigo_bigon, thanks for working on it!15:28
bigonI guess with should make deps thighter15:28
hrwFile evergreen_render.c function evergreenTryDrawPrims line 89515:29
hrwRendering was 3 commands larger than predicted size. We might overflow  command buffer.15:29
hrwthat was given during usage15:29
seb128hrw, seems something for #ubuntu-x15:31
hrwsure, will go15:31
stgraberdidrocks: I think compiz/unity did what it was supposed to do, the issue probably is the virtualbox driver15:32
didrocksstgraber: I saw some people running it under virtualbox4. Never tried myself15:33
stgraberdidrocks: the only weird part with ltsp is that the application (unity in this case) runs with a remote X server15:34
stgraberdidrocks: I know that at least the intel driver works fine for that but maybe something doesn't work that well with the virtualbox driver15:34
didrocksstgraber: more than possible, I don't know enough those kind of configuration15:43
hrwis there a way to get Alt+RMB==resize window?15:46
tedgmterry, I'm getting a conflict merging your visual-nit's branch after the spin button one.  Could you look at that?  I'm not sure how to resolve the merge.15:46
mterrytedg, oh yeah, I didn't base one on the other.  looking15:46
mterrytedg, guh, .ui conflict15:47
pittididrocks: I'll defer the remaining WIs (mostly unity a11y) to b1 for now, ok?15:48
didrockspitti: dbarth told me he updated all of them yesterday, is it not the case?15:49
didrocksmaybe worth that rodrigo_ have a look to confirm them or not15:49
pittididrocks: ah, at least some were15:49
* didrocks *sighs*15:50
didrockspitti: sorry, I'll track even that now, I should have rechecked :/15:50
pittididrocks: there are some others left as well; I'll go through them now and ask if I encounter an unityish one15:51
didrockspitti: ok, thanks a bunch :)15:51
dbarthdidrocks: not all of them yeah maybe15:53
dbarthpitti: is that blocking you?15:53
pittidbarth: no, that's fine; I didn't notice that you updated them, thanks15:53
rodrigo_didrocks, pitti: yes, sure, what should I review?15:54
pittiTheMuso still has two left on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-dx-n-unity-a11y and one on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-n-unity-places15:54
pittibut I'll just move them15:54
pittirodrigo_: nevermind for now15:54
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tedgchrisccoulson, Are you okay with this merge? https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/appmenu-gtk/lp718926/+merge/5195115:58
chrisccoulsontedg, oh, sorry, i didn't comment yet15:58
chrisccoulsonyeah, it looks ok, although, i haven't tested it ;)15:59
chrisccoulsoni'm sure mterry did though :)15:59
mterrychrisccoulson, yeay, with the trouble apps we knew about15:59
chrisccoulsoni merged it in to my branch now16:00
tedgchrisccoulson, mterry, Cool, thanks guys!16:01
pittiseb128: FYI, "deferred" is spelled "dropped"16:02
seb128pitti, doh, sorry I though both was parsed the same way16:02
pittifixing now16:02
pittiseb128: no, it's dropped or postponed16:03
seb128pitti, I wanted to indicate it's delayed to next cycle, not simply dropped16:03
seb128oh ok16:03
pittifixed to "postponed"16:03
seb128pitti, thanks16:03
pittihttp://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team-natty-alpha-3.html should ideally be at 0 after the next run16:04
mterryyay pitti!16:04
pittimterry: well, I didn't magically fix them all -- just move to b116:04
mterrypitti, pfft, same difference  :)16:04
didrockspitti: with postponed, there will be a way at the start of next cycle to see all "postponed" tasks to retarget them?16:05
pittiwe should have ~ 30 WIs for beta-1 now16:05
pittididrocks: not a magic one16:05
mterrytedg, merged-with-trunk visual-nits branch pushed.  I also snuck in a fix for the manual time spinner always showing UTC time!  (whoops, just used wrong datetime call)16:05
* didrocks likes magic though :)16:05
pittididrocks: we can walk through the postponed ones on http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team.html and put them on another spec16:05
pittididrocks: or re-target existing specs to o, if most of them are still todo16:05
didrockspitti: ok, fair enough :)16:05
pittididrocks: i. e. "entire spec was postponed" -> retarget16:05
pitti"one WI left" -> probably better as a targetted bug16:06
didrocksthanks for the clarification :)16:06
tedgmterry, Cool, thanks!16:06
* mterry hates futzing with indicator-datetime, because my clock is never right anymore16:09
pittiarchive freeze lifted; upload away16:11
* pitti has 7 packages to upload16:12
chrisccoulsonfirefox menu here we come16:12
pittichrisccoulson: firefox FTW!16:12
kenvandinedobey, with banshee, how do i get a u1ms url?16:14
kenvandinepitti, woot!16:14
mvopitti: will you do a aptdaemon upload too?16:15
pittimvo: yes16:15
pittimvo: it's part of my "fix up stuff with new g-i"16:15
pittimvo: do you have something else for it still?16:15
mvopitti: excellent, thanks!16:15
pittimvo: tested locally, works fine here16:15
pittioh, and yay for its shiny test suite16:15
mvopitti: I commited a tiny cleanup in the tests today, so revno+=116:16
mvopitti: but thats it :)16:16
pittimvo: hm, I already prepared orig.tar.gz etc.16:16
pittiI guess it doesn't actually change anythign functional?16:16
dholbachI have a question about banshee16:18
dholbachif I reset all my banshee config and start from scratch - it should find my U1 music, right?16:18
mvopitti: no, does not need to be in16:19
rodrigo_dholbach, yes, if the banshee u1 plugin is installed16:19
mvopitti: bzr-builddeb -S should do everything, right? I mean, the amount of work of adding it should just be changing revno and bzr-builddeb -S. but if everything is dput ready its fine to leave for later16:19
jcastrolamalex: hey, at the session we decided to shut off the video source in banshee since it's basically not-so-awesome right?16:20
dholbachrodrigo_, yep it is16:20
pittimvo: it doesn't do a new upstream release, tarball, etc.?16:20
dholbachrodrigo_, should this be enough to make it work?16:20
dholbachrm -r .cache/banshee-1/16:20
dholbachrm -r .config/banshee-1/16:20
dholbachgconftool --recursive-unset /apps/banshee-116:20
pittimvo: maybe I missed some magic here?16:20
dobeykenvandine: you can't get one out of banshee; the feature seems to be very difficult to do in banshee, and we're postponing the "share a link to this song" bit for now16:20
mvopitti: it should be able to do that, pull the right rev automatically, create tarball etc16:20
mvoits a really cool feature :)16:21
kenvandinedobey, ok.. can you give me a valid example?16:21
* mvo loves it16:21
rodrigo_dholbach, hmmm, not sure, I guess so16:21
lamalexjcastro, uh, did we?16:21
lamalexI don't know if we did16:21
dholbachrodrigo_, well, my music doesn't turn up :)16:21
dobeykenvandine: https://one.ubuntu.com/music/l/6030897/016:21
jcastrolamalex: you said something like you wanted to do something neat based on time but I don't think we ever got there.16:21
lamalexjcastro, we should distro patch in oliver's patch to make it an extension then16:21
kenvandinedobey, thx16:21
dobeykenvandine: clicking "buy it" on there in midori at least works16:21
jcastrolamalex: imo we should just turn it off until we have something awesome16:21
lamalexso it's easy to remove but add back16:21
lamalexjcastro, we actually have something awesome but they're unapplied patches16:22
dobeykenvandine: firefox is broken due to the issues we discussed the other day with chrisccoulson16:22
rodrigo_dholbach, not even the u1 music?16:22
chrisccoulsonpitti, firefox uploaded \o/16:22
lamalexjcastro, we added dvd and tv library management16:22
kenvandinedobey, yeah16:22
jcastrolamalex: right, and looking at the calendar ...16:22
* pitti ^5s chrisccoulson -- another WI bites the dust16:22
chrisccoulsoni need to fix dobey's issue now ;)16:22
dholbachrodrigo_, no, and I guess I don't have to set ".ubuntuone/Purchased..." as a folder where my music is, right?16:22
lamalexjcastro, yah16:22
dobeykenvandine: midori and chromium both work for me though16:22
rodrigo_dholbach, no, it already is16:22
kenvandinedobey, confirmed, great16:23
dholbachrescan library also doesn't help16:23
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rodrigo_dholbach, don't know much about the banshee extension, but if it works like the rb one, it should just add the ~/.ubuntuone/Pur... as part of your music collection16:23
kenvandinedobey, is there already a bug filed about needing to be in the store already for it to work?16:23
jcastrolamalex: you have a work item actually: [alexlauni] Ensure video source is decent, and if not, perhaps disable it until we have something nice: TODO16:23
rodrigo_dholbach, so, if it's not showing up, it's  a bug there, it seems16:23
dobeydholbach: it's a bug we need to fix still16:23
lamalexheh I didn't know about that work item :P16:24
dobeydholbach: it's known, and filed :)16:24
dholbachdobey, aha!16:24
lamalexthat's not really dx related. I guess that's my community work item16:24
dobeykenvandine: yes, and already fix for it in libu1 trunk16:24
lamalexwell, I tried but the patches haven't made it in :(16:24
lamalexwe got blocked on gio bugs16:24
jcastrolamalex: who can I ping, I can close the loop16:24
kenvandinedobey, sponsoring16:24
lamalexget gabaug to revert the commit that causes gio crashers16:24
lamalex(which should be reverted anyway, it freaking fixes a leak with a segfault..)16:25
lamalexand then the dvd patch is ready to go, I don't know if the video library patch has been reviewed yet. I haven't had a chance16:25
pittimvo: ah, is that the magic?16:26
pittimvo: i. e. if I'd wanted a newer one, I'd bump that and do bzr bd -S16:26
dobeydholbach: problem is that neither extension scans an already-existing u1 purchased music library. so if you bought songs in rbox already, they don't show up in banshee automatically when you run it16:26
chrisccoulsonkenvandine, did i beat the LibO menubar integration btw?16:26
chrisccoulsondoes seb128 lose his bet? ;)16:26
dobeydholbach: but it's on my radar to fix :)16:26
kenvandinechrisccoulson, yes :)16:26
dholbachdobey, do you have a bug# for it?16:27
pittimvo: I gotta try this, it's too much love to not have16:27
seb128chrisccoulson, heh, your firefox upload didn't build yet!16:27
seb128let me screw the buildds ;-)16:27
kenvandinehaha... i think lo-menubar is still in binNEW16:27
chrisccoulsonthat's cheating ;)16:27
dobeydholbach: let me find one. i think there are a few filed, but it's somewhat hard to tell what the reporter is talking about exactly sometimes :)16:28
mvopitti: in bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/ubuntu-natty/ there is a .bzr-builddeb/default.conf with all the right magic16:28
dholbachI hope I was clear enough :)16:28
seb128kenvandine, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=16:28
seb128kenvandine, seems not?16:28
kenvandinechrisccoulson, and to be fair, lo-menubar is more buggy16:28
kenvandineseb128, oh... great16:28
pittimvo: right; I meant, I need to bump the export-upstream-revision=581 field in that?16:28
mvopitti: it should be able to get the right revision from the debian/changelog version number16:28
kenvandinechrisccoulson, so lo-menubar beat you to universe :)16:29
chrisccoulsonheh :)16:29
mvopitti: that worked for me, just add bzrREVNO and it exported the right one16:29
mvopitti: I guess the default.conf works too, but changelog seems to win16:29
dobeydholbach: yeah, immediately understood what your problem was when i saw your conversation with rodrigo_ :)16:29
dobeydholbach: bug #705284 is one of them16:30
ubot2dobey: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/705284)16:30
pittimvo: indeed16:30
dholbachthanks dobey16:30
pitti♩ it's a kind of maaagic ♫ ♬16:30
pittimvo: this is way too easy!16:31
mvopitti: I love it too16:31
seb128kenvandine, how busy are you before ted's tarball start to land?16:32
kenvandinekind of busy... sponsoring banshee and need to release indicator-me16:32
dobeydholbach: that seems to be the only one filed against the banshee package. i think the others are filed against rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store, and i think there's one that's also forwarded upstream already16:32
kenvandinewhat do you need?16:32
dobeyalright, i'm off to lunch16:33
dholbachthanks dobey16:34
seb128kenvandine, ok, nothing urgent, I was checking around if someone wants to go the gexiv2 and shotwell update16:34
seb128but not hurry for those, I will start by filling the ffe bug16:35
kenvandinei'll check in later to see if anyone did them16:35
dholbachand the U1 plugin for rhythmbox doesn't work any more either, right?16:36
mvomterry: hey, the new server update fixed the deja-dup review submission, its now possible to see the reviews (and they are very positive)16:44
mterrymvo, woo!16:44
seb128rodrigo_, hum, are you sure we wanted the new libcanberra in natty?16:52
rodrigo_seb128, hmm, not sure, just that it included a few fixes, one of which we were carrying16:52
rodrigo_seb128, any problem with that version?16:53
seb128rodrigo_, http://git.0pointer.de/?p=libcanberra.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff8638d2526d15aa384bc8af13787dedd1495e27 seems wrong since our GNOME still write in gconf and not gsettings16:53
seb128rodrigo_, it has only 1 other commit16:53
rodrigo_seb128, hmm, we might need to patch that then16:53
seb128rodrigo_, but thanks for fixing the other issues and update the patch otherwise ;-)16:54
rodrigo_seb128, I guess we can come back to 0.2716:54
seb128rodrigo_, let's just revert this commit16:54
rodrigo_seb128, I just upgraded to .28 because it was the latest16:54
rodrigo_seb128, reverting all commits or just the upgrade to .28?16:55
seb128rodrigo_, just the url I pointed which changed the .desktops16:57
seb128rodrigo_, I will do it now don't bother16:57
seb128rodrigo_, thanks16:57
rodrigo_seb128, thanks16:57
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pittididrocks: hmm, is super+a meant to bring up the apps places, or do an expose-like effect in compiz? currently it's doing both17:05
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didrockspitti: yeah, there is a conflict and the default should be removed in compiz17:06
pittiok, thanks17:06
didrockspitti: I opened a design task for that 2 weeks ago17:06
didrocksstill waiting feedback…17:06
* pitti -> afk; I'll reinstlal my workstation with alpha-3, and then call it a day17:06
didrockssee you pitti!17:06
chrisccoulsonpitti - you won't be around to NEW firefox-globalmenu? ;)17:09
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pittichrisccoulson: back online, with a freshly installed alpha-3 :)17:51
pittichrisccoulson: can do17:51
chrisccoulsoni wish it would hurry up and finish building ;)17:51
bcurtiswxwould you recommend be installing fresh installed when one is release (e.g. alpha 3) ?17:52
pittibut I'll go AFK for real today RSN17:52
seb128pitti, did it keep your installed packages?17:52
bcurtiswxwow, that wasn't very good english on my part.. LOL17:52
pittiseb128: didn't try that17:52
bcurtiswxWith alpha 3, is it recommended to fresh install alphas, or keep my dist-upgraded earlier natty17:53
htorquehey guys, i was trying out the gnome3 ppa, but gnome-shell won't start. mutter segfaults and restarts four times a second in libmozjs.so (amd64, intel and nouveau)17:54
seb128bcurtiswx, dist-upgrading should be just fine17:54
htorqueshould i try to get a backtrace and make this a bug report?17:54
seb128rodrigo_, ^17:54
bcurtiswxseb128, thx17:54
rodrigo_htorque, run 'gnome-shell --replace on a terminal, and let's see what it outputs17:55
seb128rodrigo_, well he says it segfaults in libmozjs17:55
seb128just blame it on firefox being buggy ;-)17:56
htorquerodrigo_, that seems to work17:56
rodrigo_htorque, segfaults on an undefined symbol?17:56
chrisccoulsontry rebuilding libgjs17:56
chrisccoulsonhas it been rebuilt since the last firefox update? if not, it needs to be17:56
chrisccoulsonthere was an ABI break17:56
rodrigo_seb128, yes, just looking to see if it was the same segfault I was getting on my laptop17:56
rodrigo_htorque, cool, just fyi, I had to upgrade xulrunner-2.0 and gsettings-desktop-schemas to avoid a crash this morning17:57
pittigood night everyone!17:58
htorquerodrigo_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/575096/18:00
htorquegood, so starting it manually via 'gnome-shell --replace' works with nouveau and intel, no segfaults18:02
rodrigo_htorque, ugh18:02
rodrigo_htorque, what version of xulrunner do you have?18:02
htorquerodrigo_, 2.0~b12+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu318:04
rodrigo_hmm, where is libmozjs located?18:07
rodrigo_htorque, seems ok, so not sure about the segfault, if you can run it under gdb?18:07
micahgrodrigo_: mozjs is in the xulrunner dir18:08
htorquerodrigo_, it fails when booting with auto-login enabled or starting the session from gdm - any hint where i would start gdb?18:10
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rodrigo_micahg, yeah, found it, thanks18:15
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achiangdoes anyone know how /lib/init/fstab influences /etc/fstab? i've experimented by making changes in the former, but they are not reflected in the latter18:23
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dobey(gtk-update-icon-cache:5507): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory18:35
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chrisccoulsonpitti, well, amd64 has finished building now ;)19:39
chrisccoulsoni should have switched off the testsuite for this build19:39
chrisccoulsonit would have finished over an hour ago ;)19:39
chrisccoulsonoh, i386 is just about to finish too :)19:45
ftagrr, i have a big invisible window at the top left of my screen, can't use anything below it20:04
ftadidrocks, <fta> grr, i have a big invisible window at the top left of my screen, can't use anything below it20:07
ftadidrocks, any idea?20:07
didrocksfta: xkill?20:07
didrocksthere is one remaining case20:07
ftaxprop says it's the about me applet20:07
didrocksfta: yeah, xkill it20:07
ftaoh, good20:08
didrocksbut we don't really know how to reproduce it for smspillaz to debug it20:08
didrocksyw :)20:08
* Sweetshark just finished a prototype for LibreOffice Popupmenus in unity.20:08
didrocksSweetshark: excellent \o/20:08
* Sweetshark dances a bit around ...20:08
Sweetsharklol, its 12 lines of Libreoffice Basic, but I had to dig through half of the LO source for it.20:09
didrocksoh really?20:09
kenvandineyay... i almost have the "Post to... " hint problem in indicator-me fixed!20:26
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tedgmterry, When you did a merge-upstream on indicator-datetime last week you forgot to tie it to the proper version on trunk.  Not a biggie, but just FYI.20:51
mterrytedg, I don't understand, so I'll probably make the same mistake again. Did I not use the right command or just forget to call mark-uploaded or something?20:52
tedgmterry, It needs to be something like this:  bzr merge-upstream {tarball} {trunk} -r tag:{tag} --version {version}20:53
tedgmterry, So what happened is that it didn't get linked to {trunk} so it thought all the PNGs were generated files in the tarball, and created new file IDs for them.20:53
mterrytedg, I don't remember running merge-upstream.  Maybe that explains it.  :)20:54
tedgmterry, Hmm, it created the "upstream-0.1.94" revision... so it seems you probably did.  Unless you did that yourself.20:55
mterryOh, ok, yah.  I remember that, sorry.  :)20:56
mterryWill try to tie to trunk in future20:56
tedgmterry, No problem.20:57
kklimonda1chrisccoulson: any idea if it's possible to disable logout in gnome, eventually make it require entering admin password?21:25
chrisccoulsonkklimonda1, i don't think so. why would you want to do that?21:33
kklimonda1chrisccoulson: to lockdown the desktop as much as possible21:33
chrisccoulsonthe user owns all the processes in their session anyway, so doing that would be pretty difficult ;)21:33
kklimonda1chrisccoulson: i.e. creating pseudo-kiosk mode21:33
micahgkklimonda1: remove the logout applet from the panel?21:35
kklimonda1micahg: right21:36
kklimonda1and remove access to terminal21:36
RAOFHm.  My router has almost been considerate by dying after I've ordered a new one.22:22
RAOFSadly, the new one isn't due for 5-7 business days.22:22
RAOFI christen today “limited RAOF connectivity day”22:22
TheMusoRAOF: That sucks.22:31
RAOFIt's been slowly dying for a while, but I power-cycled it today to see if I could get it more stable and… it didn't turn back on.22:32
RAOFStability accomplished!22:32
TheMusoWhat router are you currently suffering with?22:32
RAOFA Billion 7something or other.22:34
RAOFI've got one of those snazzy Fritz!Box things coming in.22:34
TheMusoah ok22:35
TheMusoAn old notebook is my router, as I find boxed devices too limiting, and don't have the time to screw around with custom firmware that may or may not work properly with the ahrdware in question.22:35
RAOFI don't really want my router to do anything fancy.  Manage my VoIP phone, distribute bits over wireless in my house, ideally do UPnP port forwarding, and prefereably not screw up multicast too much.22:37
RAOFThe Billion handled those, with the exception of eating zeroconf packets like cand.22:38
TheMusoYeah, I just want a little more control over the firewall, and have also recently set up a VPN for use when I'm out and about, for mail sync/retrieval from my server etc.22:39

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