=== asac_ is now known as asac [07:04] is there a way to run the sound preferences manually? sometimes the menuentry on the sound menu stops working, and I need to switch the output after resume to hear my music :) [07:37] good morning [08:22] Good morning [08:23] hello pitti [08:23] bonjour seb128 [08:23] hello desktopers [08:23] good morning all [08:23] hey seb128, hey pitti [08:23] lost backscroll over night, so if you said anything to me, please repeat [08:23] hey dpm [08:23] how are you? [08:23] pitti, I think some people mentioned what a slacker you are but if you lost scrollback I will not give names [08:23] ;-) [08:24] * pitti goes to fetch a drink and heads over to the pool [08:25] sounds like a plan now ;-) [08:27] :) [08:28] hey pitti, seb128 [08:29] lut didrocks [08:29] hey dpm [08:29] heya didrocks :) [08:30] Does anyone has an idea on how I could debug bug 726496 (or provide some more useful info so someone else more knowledgeable can debug it)? smspillaz, any hints? [08:30] Launchpad bug 726496 in compiz "Cannot use Unity or Classic desktop with effects after the latest nvidia+xorg update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726496 [08:30] dpm: on your bug report, ah crap, I remembered this morning that I had to tell you something [08:30] ah right, this one! [08:30] thanks, was looking for it :) [08:30] didrocks, you're doing the mind reading thing again! [08:30] :) [08:30] so, do you have latest xorg and nvidia? it's working there :) [08:30] heh! [08:30] just monitoring unity bugs :) [08:31] ensure that you have nvidia-current instaled [08:31] installed* [08:31] ok, let me re-check... [08:32] hum, bug emails are suprisingly low for an alpha week [08:32] seb128: btw, thanks for the nux compiz redirecting [08:32] bonjour didrocks [08:32] didrocks, yw [08:32] seb128: were all of them old ones? [08:32] like, with the old hook? [08:32] didrocks, yeah, I do have nvidia-current installed. In fact, the bug was only triggered when I did the update to the latest nvidia+xorg [08:33] didrocks, yes, I've been cleaning a bit the launchpad crash bugs reported recently [08:34] seb128: I don't really know, I can't access a lot of them… [08:34] not sure which rights is missing, core-dev and the right bug triage team should be enough though :/ [08:35] dpm: hum… I guess that glxinfo will tell you "software rendered" and your Xorg.conf is still refering the nvidia driver? [08:35] let me check... [08:37] didrocks, why do you say you can't access those? [08:38] seb128: not right now, but for most of bug report, I get the "You are not allowed" page [08:39] didrocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/574869/ (xorg.conf, seems to refer to the right driver) and http://paste.ubuntu.com/574870/ (glxinfo output, not sure what I should be looking at there) [08:41] direct rendering: Yes [08:41] hum [08:41] sounds good [08:41] I have no clue then, even the classic session not working? [08:41] didrocks, how do you get the number if you are not allowed? [08:42] dpm: try running unity [08:42] didrocks, you should either not see it at all or have access if you see it [08:42] seb128: people pasting them [08:42] didrocks, if you don't have access to non retracer crashes it's normal [08:42] like yesterday with fta [08:42] nobody has [08:42] didrocks: Direct rendering will be yes in all but the most broken of setups. [08:42] non retraced [08:42] ah? [08:42] ok [08:42] didrocks, it's only the bot which has access before retracing [08:42] I didn't know that [08:42] ok, I feel stupid :) [08:43] or not informed rather ;) [08:43] it subscribe the bugsquader once retraced [08:43] ok ok, that's the reason why :) [08:43] I was thinking of more "black magic" access control [08:43] to have access to those we can run a launchpadlib script with the retracer credential from the dc if required [08:43] just subscribing the team by the bot… [08:43] which subscribe the bug team to the bug [08:43] didrocks, "Classic Desktop (No effect)" works, but "Classic Desktop" does not work. I'm on "Classic Desktop (No effect)" now, do you mean I should try running unity there? [08:44] session restart brb [08:44] dpm: yeah, please [08:44] didrocks, ok, brb, if it doesn't work I might have to reboot... [08:45] dpm: ok :) [08:46] Sweetshark: libreoffice build on armel did succeed, now identify the 3.2.1 backports for lucid ... [08:46] morning [08:49] didrocks: hm, that did not seem to work. Same effect: screen frozen, but I could move the mouse pointer [08:50] dpm_: that would be a question for #ubuntu-x I guess so :/ [08:51] ok, thanks for your help anyway, I'll try there! [08:59] doko_: *confused* what do you mean with "identify"? [09:00] doko_: and \o/ for the armel build [09:00] -> jani (no, he's not on this channel) [09:05] hey Sweetshark, doko; good morning! [09:16] bah [09:16] pitti, you french hater [09:16] ;-) [09:16] I hate German as well now [09:16] * Languages: es xh [09:16] this is really poor [09:17] I still wonder what made the CDs grow so much since a2 [09:18] ghostscript/libgs9/libgs9-common grew quite a bit [09:24] (unity isn't guilty this time I think :)) [09:24] seb128: don't be afraid, that's still a valid case for ubuntu-fr doing our French respin :) [09:25] lol, indeed [09:26] I only have a nice tool to compare alternates, but they didn't grow much in the first place [09:26] I think we need to compare an alpha-2 vs. alpha-3 desktop CD dir by dir [09:27] and see what made them baloon [09:52] pitti, can you log in launchpad under the apport retracer id? [09:52] seb128: yes, I created that user [09:52] pitti, can you do it and check if there are recent crash bugs not tagged? [09:52] pitti, I'm surprised we didn't get any unity crasher since yesterday [09:53] just to check that there is not an issue, seeing that mterry bug didn't get tagged yesterday [10:02] good morning everyone [10:03] hey chrisccoulson, how are you? [10:03] hi seb128 - i'm good thanks, how are you? [10:03] I'm fine thanks [10:40] Hi, would someone be able to have a quick look at bug #728343 .. it's blocking us on a natty deliverable. Thanks. [10:40] Launchpad bug 728343 in nux "unity_support_test crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::GraphicsDisplay::CreateOpenGLWindow()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728343 [10:42] didrocks, ^^ [10:43] Daviey: how is it blocking? [10:44] Daviey: that's a nux crash, unity won't be running if it can't create an opengl window [10:44] didrocks, Well.. not getting a desktop... i /assumed/ that was the cause [10:44] Daviey, if the helper fails you should go back to a normal GNOME [10:45] didrocks, note, we did get a desktop on 0.9.22-0ubuntu1 [10:45] seb128, Hmm.. Not getting that. === ogra_ is now known as ogra [10:46] (sorry super busy with other thing) [10:46] Daviey: you an try a workaround, but I'm afraid that unity will crash as well then [10:46] Daviey, did you try to select "classic desktop" in gdm to see? [10:46] seb128, Not running GDM :( [10:47] seb128, This is a cloud image, running on Amazon [10:47] njpatel, there? [10:47] gord, ? [10:48] Daviey, well, how is the session started if it's not using gdm? do you need unity or GNOME would be fine as well? [10:48] * Daviey tries falling back to 0.9.22-0ubuntu1 to confirm [10:49] Daviey, you can't downgrade nux [10:49] Daviey, or you will need to downgrade the unity stack with it [10:49] seb128, hmm... seems gdm /IS/ running gdm-binary .. [10:49] I'm using NX, and TBH i'm not entirely clear how it spawns a desktop [10:49] Daviey, the abi is not stable and you need matching versions [10:49] * Daviey weeps [10:49] Daviey, well you need to log in somewhere, like enter you login password infos [10:50] seb128, That is done on the client, which logs in as user nx then ssh's to localhost using there credentials provided AIUI [10:50] I then think it forwards the X session over ssh [10:51] Daviey, well, what starts the session must be selecting what is running [10:51] would be startx with a .xsession or gdm etc [10:52] the client provides the option of "Gnome" [10:53] seb128, sorry, in meeting [10:53] njpatel, no worry [10:54] seb128, Is Unity 2D functional? [10:55] yes [10:55] are we sure unity isn't running? [10:55] I'm wondering why i didn't fall back to that [10:55] gord, grep said unity isn't [10:56] unity is part of compiz but if it was running you would say the unity-panel-service running [10:56] gord / seb128: I'm happy for either of you two to ssh and have a poke, if that would help? [10:56] gord, well he gets unity_support_test crashing [10:57] Daviey, not especially, but what do need? [10:57] Daviey, do you need to fix a one time session or do you need a working system where people can log in [10:58] Daviey, do you need unity or would standard GNOME be fine for you? [10:58] we will probably not fix unity in your environment now [10:58] we can easily fix your running session [10:58] seb128, eeek [10:58] or we can make you log in GNOME rather than unity until unity is fixed if that's ok [10:59] pitti, did you have a chance to check on the retracer bugs? or still busy fighting iso issues? [10:59] seb128: the former, just uploaded a workaround for the kubuntu failure, and now shepherding it through [11:00] ok [11:00] when is unity_support_test actually ran? its not part of the unity script [11:00] gord, gnome-session runs it to determine if unity can be started [11:01] seb128, and if it fails surely its supposed to just go back to the classic desktop? [11:02] gord, yes [11:02] gord, still it would be better if it didn't fail since we want people to get unity [11:02] gord, it seems it was working until recently so the config is able to run unity [11:03] seb128, right, its crashing, that is bad, i'll poke jay about that later but since it crashes the script (or whatever) should just load up default gnome and everything should be fine [11:03] (if it fails, we still try to run unity for now) [11:03] there we go :) make it not do that [11:03] ;) [11:03] gord: fix nux? ;) [11:04] gord: the thing is that there are a lot of false positive (crash but unity running) [11:04] gord: so better to fix the tester first [11:04] also, this is the gnome-session bug I opened about to "finish the work" to start unity on demand [11:04] didrocks, well then its a crappy test - honestly looking at it, we don't even use those code paths in unity so i don't know what on earth its supposed to be testing [11:04] Okay, any ideas what i can do to force Classic in config? [11:05] classic will be able to unblock us for today. [11:05] gnome-session --session=classic-gnome [11:05] Daviey, run that in whatever script is calling gnome-session for you [11:05] right [11:06] great [11:06] thanks [11:08] you're welcome [11:17] hi [11:17] seb128, didrocks; is bug 726063 really fixed?? [11:17] Launchpad bug 726063 in compiz "unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in draw_decor_list()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726063 [11:18] i still get it often here with 1:0.9.4-0ubuntu3 [11:18] fta, right, but there is still a crasher [11:18] this one is [11:18] you are sure it's the same stacktrace? [11:18] not all the crashers [11:18] there is another crasher [11:20] here is mine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/574931/ [11:23] seb128: meh - https://bugs.launchpad.net/~apport/ keeps timing out .. [11:24] pitti, can you just got to ubuntu/+bugs, sort by newer first and see bugs with a lock [11:24] fta, what do you do to get it usually? [11:25] seb128, not sure, this time, i think it was when i closed fileroller, another time, it was with libreoffice [11:25] unfortunately I can't search private bugs only [11:26] pitti, well, sort by first and see those with a lock emblem in the list [11:26] (yup, doing) [11:26] pitti, "newest first" [11:26] ok, 20/20 bugs properly tagged [11:26] pitti, it's my common way to review recent crashers and dispatch thoses [11:26] I now check the unity bugs [11:27] pitti, ok thanks, so it's just that we didn't get lot of testers or that unity is stable [11:28] seb128: hm, amongst the first 150 bugs there is only one private one, which is properly tagged [11:28] (and retraced) [11:28] chekcing compiz [11:28] pitti, ok so there is no bug, thanks for checking [11:29] compiz has quite a few more [11:29] pitti, ok, so I start natty a2 and a3 in kvm and started checking what is using the iso [11:29] seb128: found one bug which isn't tagged, bug 721830 [11:29] pitti: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/721830) [11:29] pitti, so /usr/lib/gcc did 22 -> 35 [11:30] MB? [11:30] uh [11:31] seb128: so I'd say it does happen from time to time, but not too often (I tagged the missing bug) [11:31] pitti, ok [11:32] pitti, the cc1plus binary was not in a2 [11:32] it's taking 10 [11:45] bug #728374, I hate those [11:45] Launchpad bug 728374 in nautilus "nautilus assert failure: nautilus: ../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728374 [11:45] that again? [11:45] they never stopped [11:45] we get one of those a week or so [11:46] filed bug 728383 then [11:46] Launchpad bug 728383 in compiz "unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in draw_decor_list()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728383 [11:46] seb128: I thought we'd have a bug pattern for that [11:50] didrocks, ^^ [11:50] didrocks, btw, i still have to kill X after each reboot, compiz crashes on startup, giving me only the wallpaper with nothing else [11:50] [ 81.712382] compiz[1697]: segfault at 8 ip 0043e920 sp bfc50458 error 4 in libc-2.13.so[32a000+15a000] [11:50] [ 167.245657] SysRq : SAK [11:50] [ 167.245699] SAK: killed process 1049 (Xorg): task_session(p)==tty->session [11:51] but the apport file is almost empty [11:51] no core [11:51] urgh? and if you relaunch it from a tty? [11:51] no crash? [11:51] fta: I'm adding the other bug to the list [11:51] once I killed it, it starts fine [11:52] only the 1st session after a reboot [11:52] on 2 different desktops [11:52] one in autologin mode, not the other [11:52] without a core file, that would be hard [11:53] pitti: some idea why apport can't catch it? [11:54] I have the same on booting the live system on my mini 10; restarting sessino fixes it [11:54] Guys I got something weird going on with my natty install all the apps I've added to the launchs icon have disappeared when I hover over them they are still there and if I open one all the icons below it appear again [11:54] didrocks, when i open the .crash file with apport, it says cannot be reported because of out of memory [11:54] s/launchs/launcher [11:55] didrocks, but being out of memory just after a reboot with 8GB of RAM seems like a huge leak [11:55] davmor2: this is on the dash, isn't it? [11:56] fta: right, dunno, as pitti can reproduce, let's see… [11:56] didrocks: no on the app launcher left hand side [11:57] davmor2: oh? this one isn't known [11:57] but can be the same cause [11:58] didrocks: I've just done a quick video of it as soon as it's done I'll drop it on ubuntu one and give you the link [11:59] davmor2: please open a bug rather, affect unity upstream and nux please === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:59] didrocks: no problems [11:59] davmor2: I think it *may* be linked [11:59] davmor2: open the bug with ubuntu-bug and say "yes" when it asks you if the issue is graphical [12:00] davmor2: we will know all the dirty little secrets of your hardware with that :) [12:00] didrocks: I am doing :) [12:01] didrocks: it's a pretty plain system to be honest, everything works out of the box except the wifi Atheros chip (bug already in place for that though) [12:02] didrocks: it's only my test box for Software Center work [12:02] davmor2: yeah, will be nice to find the common denomitor for those having those gl refresh issues, hence the bug will be of help for that [12:02] didrocks: on it's way [12:02] excellent :) [12:07] didrocks: bug #728393 including video [12:07] Launchpad bug 728393 in unity "Missing icons in app launcher" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728393 [12:07] didrocks, pitti: that startup bug description matches a bug i filed yesterday on my other desktop, with a valid crash file: bug 727636.. not sure it's the same though [12:07] Launchpad bug 727636 in unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::CairoGraphics::GetBitmap()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727636 [12:08] davmor2: fta: thanks. I'm chasing dx guys to look at those nux issues :) [12:15] bigon, around? [12:16] didrocks, the last compiz seems to randomly shift the workspaces around, known? [12:17] fta: hum no… do you have a reproducible test case? [12:17] I'm using it since last week with 3x2 layout and didn't notice anything [12:17] didrocks, i have 6x1 workspaces, and sometimes, the 6th becomes 1st, shifting everything on the right [12:17] urgh [12:17] just happened 2 min ago, doing nothing [12:18] log a bug, we'll see if anyone can reproduce [12:18] well, i clicked on the unity side panel [12:18] I didn't see any new compiz bug on that though [12:18] ah [12:18] you click on an item right? [12:18] yes [12:18] it tries to focus the app in the workspace [12:18] it's a recent regression, it used to work fine [12:18] moving ws if you're not in that one [12:20] switching me from a ws to another is fine, but re-numbering the ws is not [12:21] yeah, if it's really shifting, I have no clue about such an issue [12:21] so please, log a bug, with this description [12:23] didrocks, ok, will do. btw, apport just duped my other bug :( [12:23] so it was fixed after all [12:23] and should be re-opened [12:23] or un-duped [12:24] you have the latest compiz isn't it? [12:24] (the one from Monday fixing some decorator crashes) [12:24] sure [12:24] ok, unduped, then [12:24] and reopen [12:25] my uptime is of less than 14h, so i should be fresh unity/compiz wise [12:26] yeah [12:26] those racy crashes are hard to be confirmed once they are "fixed" [12:27] sorry for the false positive [12:28] has anyone else noticed that unity-panel-service is leaking memory like a sieve? [12:29] chrisccoulson: no bug reported and I restart it so often that I can't confirm for sure :) [12:30] didrocks, it uses over 1GB after a few hours here ;) [12:30] urgh :) [12:33] chrisccoulson, no obvious leak here.. after 14h: fta 2252 0.0 1.8 148144 62524 ? Sl Mar02 0:31 /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service [12:40] didrocks, the previous crasher was fixed though [12:40] didrocks, it happened every time you used update-manager and that stopped with the update [12:41] weird, not sure what fta has he's sure to be up to date [12:41] fta, what compiz version do you have? [12:42] (I think that apport would not have let him reporting the other crash) [12:47] seb128, i'm up-to-date: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [12:52] seb128, 1:0.9.4-0ubuntu3 === nessita1 is now known as nessita [13:01] didrocks, it apport know you are outdated [13:01] didrocks, which is not the case if you use a mirror lagging behind [13:01] didrocks, you think you are uptodate and apport does as well since you are in regard of your mirror [13:01] right, but lagging 2 days behind… ;) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:07] seb128, i'm using archive.ubuntu.com [13:10] didrocks, bug 728428 [13:10] Launchpad bug 728428 in unity "unity messes up with workspaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728428 [13:11] fta: thanks, waiting for someone to confirm if they are more clue when it happens [13:18] never got it to break ws layout here === dpm_ is now known as dpm [14:05] rodrigo_: hey [14:06] I've seen your mail, the wrapper the guy need to write is due to an not uptodate gjs on his machine [14:21] didrocks: weirdly all my icon have come back again after an unlock from screensaver [14:22] davmor2: it's really a refresh issue [14:22] ah okay that would possibly explain it then everything would of been redrawn [14:27] rodrigo_: hi, in your post about gnome3 ppa, you thanked "allan day", was that for the answer on askubuntu or just something else.. [cause the answer on askubuntu is not from allan ;) ] [14:28] its from > https://launchpad.net/~andrewsomething [14:29] hello [14:30] which packages (other then ubuntu-desktop) I should install to be able to login into gnome (or unity) desktop? [14:30] or which ~/.* dirs I should drop to get rid of old settings from 2.0/2.x gnome era === hrww is now known as hrw [14:32] hrw: ~/.gconf , ~/.config , ~/.gnome2 and just to be safe ~/.gconfd [14:32] ok [14:33] hrw: you could keep a backup of ~/.config and try to selectively restore some of it for other apps [14:33] sure === hrww is now known as hrw === cking_ is now known as cking [15:04] is it normal that compiz segfaults on alt-tab? [15:04] * hrw discovers new world of crashy^Wgnome desktop [15:06] vish, I thanked allan day for finding that page :) [15:07] bigon, ok, also your gnome-shell package works great on my desktop machine, but on my laptop it fails with undefined symbol JS_StrictPropertyStub, but seems I'm up-to-date also, so any idea what package I'm missing? [15:07] rodrigo_: mmmh not really [15:07] sorry about rejoins but compiz again took down my desktop [15:12] hrw: can you report a bug using ubuntu-bug? [15:12] hrw: will apport should catch the crash and suggest to report it [15:12] sure [15:15] bigon, hmm, have an older version of xulrunner-2.0, updating that to check if that was the problem [15:19] bug 728495 [15:19] Launchpad bug 728495 in compiz "hangs machine on alt-tab or going to screen corner" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728495 [15:21] hrw: seems likely to be an ati bug [15:21] o.. this time only compiz crashed [15:21] seb128: I did not had this problem with kwin or xfwm4 [15:23] pitti: do you really want me to fix the LTSP bug? [15:23] I have not such a configuration or whatever :) [15:23] hrw, well they might not use opengl the same way [15:24] seb128: possible [15:24] seb128: so time for me to 'dpkg --purge compiz' and enable xfwm4 instead? [15:24] didrocks: it looked like a problem in the session type autodetection; not necessarily fix, but Stephane had some comments/questions there, perhaps you can verify them and ask him to check a few more things? [15:24] didrocks: otherwise just bounce it back to c-d-t [15:25] hrw: it's your system, don't ask me what you should use [15:25] ^ absolutely feel free to do that -- I just try to find assignees for RC bugs [15:25] hrw: but if you get a crash please report it [15:25] pitti: I'll answer him, but I think the questions were for Patrick [15:25] seb128: sure, just wanted to say "what options do I have now" in other words [15:25] hrw, well report your crash to start so we can have a better idea where the issue is [15:26] hrw, if it's a driver issue the #ubuntu-x guys might have some xorg.conf option to workaround it [15:26] otherwise you can try to switch between ati and fglrx drivers [15:26] give us the bug number if you report the crash [15:27] seb128: ok [15:28] answered [15:28] bigon, ok, fixed it with the update to xulrunner-2.0 and the latest gsettings-desktop-schemas, so working in both of my machines [15:28] bigon, thanks for working on it! [15:28] I guess with should make deps thighter [15:29] *********************************WARN_ONCE********************************* [15:29] File evergreen_render.c function evergreenTryDrawPrims line 895 [15:29] Rendering was 3 commands larger than predicted size. We might overflow command buffer. [15:29] that was given during usage [15:31] hrw, seems something for #ubuntu-x [15:31] sure, will go [15:32] didrocks: I think compiz/unity did what it was supposed to do, the issue probably is the virtualbox driver [15:33] stgraber: I saw some people running it under virtualbox4. Never tried myself [15:34] didrocks: the only weird part with ltsp is that the application (unity in this case) runs with a remote X server [15:34] didrocks: I know that at least the intel driver works fine for that but maybe something doesn't work that well with the virtualbox driver [15:43] stgraber: more than possible, I don't know enough those kind of configuration [15:46] is there a way to get Alt+RMB==resize window? [15:46] mterry, I'm getting a conflict merging your visual-nit's branch after the spin button one. Could you look at that? I'm not sure how to resolve the merge. [15:46] tedg, oh yeah, I didn't base one on the other. looking [15:47] tedg, guh, .ui conflict [15:48] didrocks: I'll defer the remaining WIs (mostly unity a11y) to b1 for now, ok? [15:49] pitti: dbarth told me he updated all of them yesterday, is it not the case? [15:49] maybe worth that rodrigo_ have a look to confirm them or not [15:49] didrocks: ah, at least some were [15:50] * didrocks *sighs* [15:50] pitti: sorry, I'll track even that now, I should have rechecked :/ [15:50] re [15:51] didrocks: there are some others left as well; I'll go through them now and ask if I encounter an unityish one [15:51] pitti: ok, thanks a bunch :) [15:53] didrocks: not all of them yeah maybe [15:53] pitti: is that blocking you? [15:53] dbarth: no, that's fine; I didn't notice that you updated them, thanks [15:54] didrocks, pitti: yes, sure, what should I review? [15:54] TheMuso still has two left on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-dx-n-unity-a11y and one on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-n-unity-places [15:54] but I'll just move them [15:54] rodrigo_: nevermind for now [15:55]