[07:04] <tjaalton> is there a way to run the sound preferences manually? sometimes the menuentry on the sound menu stops working, and I need to switch the output after resume to hear my music :)
[07:37] <didrocks> good morning
[08:22] <pitti> Good morning
[08:23] <seb128> hello pitti
[08:23] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:23] <seb128> hello desktopers
[08:23] <dpm> good morning all
[08:23] <dpm> hey seb128, hey pitti
[08:23] <pitti> lost backscroll over night, so if you said anything to me, please repeat
[08:23] <seb128> hey dpm
[08:23] <seb128> how are you?
[08:23] <seb128> pitti, I think some people mentioned what a slacker you are but if you lost scrollback I will not give names
[08:23] <seb128> ;-)
[08:24]  * pitti goes to fetch a drink and heads over to the pool
[08:25] <seb128> sounds like a plan now ;-)
[08:27] <dpm> :)
[08:28] <didrocks> hey pitti, seb128
[08:29] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:29] <didrocks> hey dpm
[08:29] <dpm> heya didrocks :)
[08:30] <dpm> Does anyone has an idea on how I could debug bug 726496 (or provide some more useful info so someone else more knowledgeable can debug it)? smspillaz, any hints?
[08:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 726496 in compiz "Cannot use Unity or Classic desktop with effects after the latest nvidia+xorg update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726496
[08:30] <didrocks> dpm: on your bug report, ah crap, I remembered this morning that I had to tell you something
[08:30] <didrocks> ah right, this one!
[08:30] <didrocks> thanks, was looking for it :)
[08:30] <dpm> didrocks, you're doing the mind reading thing again!
[08:30] <dpm> :)
[08:30] <didrocks> so, do you have latest xorg and nvidia? it's working there :)
[08:30] <didrocks> heh!
[08:30] <didrocks> just monitoring unity bugs :)
[08:31] <didrocks> ensure that you have nvidia-current instaled
[08:31] <didrocks> installed*
[08:31] <dpm> ok, let me re-check...
[08:32] <seb128> hum, bug emails are suprisingly low for an alpha week
[08:32] <didrocks> seb128: btw, thanks for the nux compiz redirecting
[08:32] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:32] <seb128> didrocks, yw
[08:32] <didrocks> seb128: were all of them old ones?
[08:32] <didrocks> like, with the old hook?
[08:32] <dpm> didrocks, yeah, I do have nvidia-current installed. In fact, the bug was only triggered when I did the update to the latest nvidia+xorg
[08:33] <seb128> didrocks, yes, I've been cleaning a bit the launchpad crash bugs reported recently
[08:34] <didrocks> seb128: I don't really know, I can't access a lot of them…
[08:34] <didrocks> not sure which rights is missing, core-dev and the right bug triage team should be enough though :/
[08:35] <didrocks> dpm: hum… I guess that glxinfo will tell you "software rendered" and your Xorg.conf is still refering the nvidia driver?
[08:35] <dpm> let me check...
[08:37] <seb128> didrocks, why do you say you can't access those?
[08:38] <didrocks> seb128: not right now, but for most of bug report, I get the "You are not allowed" page
[08:39] <dpm> didrocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/574869/ (xorg.conf, seems to refer to the right driver) and http://paste.ubuntu.com/574870/ (glxinfo output, not sure what I should be looking at there)
[08:41] <didrocks> direct rendering: Yes
[08:41] <didrocks> hum
[08:41] <didrocks> sounds good
[08:41] <didrocks> I have no clue then, even the classic session not working?
[08:41] <seb128> didrocks, how do you get the number if you are not allowed?
[08:42] <didrocks> dpm: try running unity
[08:42] <seb128> didrocks, you should either not see it at all or have access if you see it
[08:42] <didrocks> seb128: people pasting them
[08:42] <seb128> didrocks, if you don't have access to non retracer crashes it's normal
[08:42] <didrocks> like yesterday with fta
[08:42] <seb128> nobody has
[08:42] <RAOF> didrocks: Direct rendering will be yes in all but the most broken of setups.
[08:42] <seb128> non retraced
[08:42] <didrocks> ah?
[08:42] <didrocks> ok
[08:42] <seb128> didrocks, it's only the bot which has access before retracing
[08:42] <didrocks> I didn't know that
[08:42] <didrocks> ok, I feel stupid :)
[08:43] <didrocks> or not informed rather ;)
[08:43] <seb128> it subscribe the bugsquader once retraced
[08:43] <didrocks> ok ok, that's the reason why :)
[08:43] <didrocks> I was thinking of more "black magic" access control
[08:43] <seb128> to have access to those we can run a launchpadlib script with the retracer credential from the dc if required
[08:43] <didrocks> just subscribing the team by the bot…
[08:43] <seb128> which subscribe the bug team to the bug
[08:43] <dpm> didrocks, "Classic Desktop (No effect)" works, but "Classic Desktop" does not work. I'm on "Classic Desktop (No effect)" now, do you mean I should try running unity there?
[08:44] <seb128> session restart brb
[08:44] <didrocks> dpm: yeah, please
[08:44] <dpm> didrocks, ok, brb, if it doesn't work I might have to reboot...
[08:45] <didrocks> dpm: ok :)
[08:46] <doko_> Sweetshark: libreoffice build on armel did succeed, now identify the 3.2.1 backports for lucid ...
[08:46] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:49] <dpm_> didrocks: hm, that did not seem to work. Same effect: screen frozen, but I could move the mouse pointer
[08:50] <didrocks> dpm_: that would be a question for #ubuntu-x I guess so :/
[08:51] <dpm_> ok, thanks for your help anyway, I'll try there!
[08:59] <Sweetshark> doko_: *confused* what do you mean with "identify"?
[09:00] <Sweetshark> doko_: and \o/ for the armel build
[09:00] <doko_> -> jani (no, he's not on this channel)
[09:05] <pitti> hey Sweetshark, doko; good morning!
[09:16] <seb128> bah
[09:16] <seb128> pitti, you french hater
[09:16] <seb128> ;-)
[09:16] <pitti> I hate German as well now
[09:16] <pitti>  * Languages: es xh
[09:16] <pitti> this is really poor
[09:17] <pitti> I still wonder what made the CDs grow so much since a2
[09:18] <pitti> ghostscript/libgs9/libgs9-common grew quite a bit
[09:24] <didrocks> (unity isn't guilty this time I think :))
[09:24] <didrocks> seb128: don't be afraid, that's still a valid case for ubuntu-fr doing our French respin :)
[09:25] <seb128> lol, indeed
[09:26] <pitti> I only have a nice tool to compare alternates, but they didn't grow much in the first place
[09:26] <pitti> I think we need to compare an alpha-2 vs. alpha-3 desktop CD dir by dir
[09:27] <pitti> and see what made them baloon
[09:52] <seb128> pitti, can you log in launchpad under the apport retracer id?
[09:52] <pitti> seb128: yes, I created that user
[09:52] <seb128> pitti, can you do it and check if there are recent crash bugs not tagged?
[09:52] <seb128> pitti, I'm surprised we didn't get any unity crasher since yesterday
[09:53] <seb128> just to check that there is not an issue, seeing that mterry bug didn't get tagged yesterday
[10:02] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[10:03] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[10:03] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128 - i'm good thanks, how are you?
[10:03] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[10:40] <Daviey> Hi, would someone be able to have a quick look at bug #728343 .. it's blocking us on a natty deliverable. Thanks.
[10:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 728343 in nux "unity_support_test crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::GraphicsDisplay::CreateOpenGLWindow()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728343
[10:42] <Daviey> didrocks, ^^
[10:43] <didrocks> Daviey: how is it blocking?
[10:44] <didrocks> Daviey: that's a nux crash, unity won't be running if it can't create an opengl window
[10:44] <Daviey> didrocks, Well.. not getting a desktop... i /assumed/ that was the cause
[10:44] <seb128> Daviey, if the helper fails you should go back to a normal GNOME
[10:45] <Daviey> didrocks, note, we did get a desktop on 0.9.22-0ubuntu1
[10:45] <Daviey> seb128, Hmm.. Not getting that.
[10:46] <didrocks> (sorry super busy with other thing)
[10:46] <didrocks> Daviey: you an try a workaround, but I'm afraid that unity will crash as well then
[10:46] <seb128> Daviey, did you try to select "classic desktop" in gdm to see?
[10:46] <Daviey> seb128, Not running GDM :(
[10:47] <Daviey> seb128, This is a cloud image, running on Amazon
[10:47] <seb128> njpatel, there?
[10:47] <seb128> gord, ?
[10:48] <seb128> Daviey, well, how is the session started if it's not using gdm? do you need unity or GNOME would be fine as well?
[10:48]  * Daviey tries falling back to 0.9.22-0ubuntu1 to confirm
[10:49] <seb128> Daviey, you can't downgrade nux
[10:49] <seb128> Daviey, or you will need to downgrade the unity stack with it
[10:49] <Daviey> seb128, hmm... seems gdm /IS/ running gdm-binary ..
[10:49] <Daviey> I'm using NX, and TBH i'm not entirely clear how it spawns a desktop
[10:49] <seb128> Daviey, the abi is not stable and you need matching versions
[10:49]  * Daviey weeps
[10:49] <seb128> Daviey, well you need to log in somewhere, like enter you login password infos
[10:50] <Daviey> seb128, That is done on the client, which logs in as user nx then ssh's to localhost using there credentials provided AIUI
[10:50] <Daviey> I then think it forwards the X session over ssh
[10:51] <seb128> Daviey, well, what starts the session must be selecting what is running
[10:51] <seb128> would be startx with a .xsession or gdm etc
[10:52] <Daviey> the client provides the option of "Gnome"
[10:53] <njpatel> seb128, sorry, in meeting
[10:53] <seb128> njpatel, no worry
[10:54] <Daviey> seb128, Is Unity 2D functional?
[10:55] <seb128> yes
[10:55] <gord> are we sure unity isn't running?
[10:55] <Daviey> I'm wondering why i didn't fall back to that
[10:55] <Daviey> gord, grep said unity isn't
[10:56] <seb128> unity is part of compiz but if it was running you would say the unity-panel-service running
[10:56] <Daviey> gord / seb128: I'm happy for either of you two to ssh and have a poke, if that would help?
[10:56] <seb128> gord, well he gets unity_support_test crashing
[10:57] <seb128> Daviey, not especially, but what do need?
[10:57] <seb128> Daviey, do you need to fix a one time session or do you need a working system where people can log in
[10:58] <seb128> Daviey, do you need unity or would standard GNOME be fine for you?
[10:58] <seb128> we will probably not fix unity in your environment now
[10:58] <seb128> we can easily fix your running session
[10:58] <Daviey> seb128, eeek
[10:58] <seb128> or we can make you log in GNOME rather than unity until unity is fixed if that's ok
[10:59] <seb128> pitti, did you have a chance to check on the retracer bugs? or still busy fighting iso issues?
[10:59] <pitti> seb128: the former, just uploaded a workaround for the kubuntu failure, and now shepherding it through
[11:00] <seb128> ok
[11:00] <gord> when is unity_support_test actually ran? its not part of the unity script
[11:00] <seb128> gord, gnome-session runs it to determine if unity can be started
[11:01] <gord> seb128, and if it fails surely its supposed to just go back to the classic desktop?
[11:02] <seb128> gord, yes
[11:02] <seb128> gord, still it would be better if it didn't fail since we want people to get unity
[11:02] <seb128> gord, it seems it was working until recently so the config is able to run unity
[11:03] <gord> seb128, right, its crashing, that is bad, i'll poke jay about that later but since it crashes the script (or whatever) should just load up default gnome and everything should be fine
[11:03] <didrocks> (if it fails, we still try to run unity for now)
[11:03] <gord> there we go :) make it not do that
[11:03] <gord> ;)
[11:03] <didrocks> gord: fix nux? ;)
[11:04] <didrocks> gord: the thing is that there are a lot of false positive (crash but unity running)
[11:04] <didrocks> gord: so better to fix the tester first
[11:04] <didrocks> also, this is the gnome-session bug I opened about to "finish the work" to start unity on demand
[11:04] <gord> didrocks, well then its a crappy test - honestly looking at it, we don't even use those code paths in unity so i don't know what on earth its supposed to be testing
[11:04] <Daviey> Okay, any ideas what i can do to force Classic in config?
[11:05] <Daviey> classic will be able to unblock us for today.
[11:05] <seb128> gnome-session --session=classic-gnome
[11:05] <seb128> Daviey, run that in whatever script is calling gnome-session for you
[11:05] <didrocks> right
[11:06] <Daviey> great
[11:06] <Daviey> thanks
[11:08] <seb128> you're welcome
[11:17] <fta> hi
[11:17] <fta> seb128, didrocks; is bug 726063 really fixed??
[11:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 726063 in compiz "unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in draw_decor_list()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726063
[11:18] <fta> i still get it often here with 1:0.9.4-0ubuntu3
[11:18] <seb128> fta, right, but there is still a crasher
[11:18] <didrocks> this one is
[11:18] <seb128> you are sure it's the same stacktrace?
[11:18] <didrocks> not all the crashers
[11:18] <seb128> there is another crasher
[11:20] <fta> here is mine: http://paste.ubuntu.com/574931/
[11:23] <pitti> seb128: meh - https://bugs.launchpad.net/~apport/ keeps timing out ..
[11:24] <seb128> pitti, can you just got to ubuntu/+bugs, sort by newer first and see bugs with a lock
[11:24] <seb128> fta, what do you do to get it usually?
[11:25] <fta> seb128, not sure, this time, i think it was when i closed fileroller, another time, it was with libreoffice
[11:25] <pitti> unfortunately I can't search private bugs only
[11:26] <seb128> pitti, well, sort by first and see those with a lock emblem in the list
[11:26] <pitti> (yup, doing)
[11:26] <seb128> pitti, "newest first"
[11:26] <pitti> ok, 20/20 bugs properly tagged
[11:26] <seb128> pitti, it's my common way to review recent crashers and dispatch thoses
[11:26] <pitti> I now check the unity bugs
[11:27] <seb128> pitti, ok thanks, so it's just that we didn't get lot of testers or that unity is stable
[11:28] <pitti> seb128: hm, amongst the first 150 bugs there is only one private one, which is properly tagged
[11:28] <pitti> (and retraced)
[11:28] <pitti> chekcing compiz
[11:28] <seb128> pitti, ok so there is no bug, thanks for checking
[11:29] <pitti> compiz has quite a few more
[11:29] <seb128> pitti, ok, so I start natty a2 and a3 in kvm and started checking what is using the iso
[11:29] <pitti> seb128: found one bug which isn't tagged, bug 721830
[11:29] <ubot2> pitti: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/721830)
[11:29] <seb128> pitti, so /usr/lib/gcc did 22 -> 35
[11:30] <pitti> MB?
[11:30] <pitti> uh
[11:31] <pitti> seb128: so I'd say it does happen from time to time, but not too often (I tagged the missing bug)
[11:31] <seb128> pitti, ok
[11:32] <seb128> pitti, the cc1plus binary was not in a2
[11:32] <seb128> it's taking 10
[11:45] <seb128> bug #728374, I hate those
[11:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 728374 in nautilus "nautilus assert failure: nautilus: ../../src/xcb_io.c:385: _XAllocID: Assertion `ret != inval_id' failed" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728374
[11:45] <pitti> that again?
[11:45] <seb128> they never stopped
[11:45] <seb128> we get one of those a week or so
[11:46] <fta> filed bug 728383 then
[11:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 728383 in compiz "unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in draw_decor_list()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728383
[11:46] <pitti> seb128: I thought we'd have a bug pattern for that
[11:50] <fta> didrocks, ^^
[11:50] <fta> didrocks, btw, i still have to kill X after each reboot, compiz crashes on startup, giving me only the wallpaper with nothing else
[11:50] <fta> [   81.712382] compiz[1697]: segfault at 8 ip 0043e920 sp bfc50458 error 4 in libc-2.13.so[32a000+15a000]
[11:50] <fta> [  167.245657] SysRq : SAK
[11:50] <fta> [  167.245699] SAK: killed process 1049 (Xorg): task_session(p)==tty->session
[11:51] <fta> but the apport file is almost empty
[11:51] <fta> no core
[11:51] <didrocks> urgh? and if you relaunch it from a tty?
[11:51] <didrocks> no crash?
[11:51] <didrocks> fta: I'm adding the other bug to the list
[11:51] <fta> once I killed it, it starts fine
[11:52] <fta> only the 1st session after a reboot
[11:52] <fta> on 2 different desktops
[11:52] <fta> one in autologin mode, not the other
[11:52] <didrocks> without a core file, that would be hard
[11:53] <didrocks> pitti: some idea why apport can't catch it?
[11:54] <pitti> I have the same on booting the live system on my mini 10; restarting sessino fixes it
[11:54] <davmor2> Guys I got something weird going on with my natty install all the apps I've added to the launchs icon have disappeared when I hover over them they are still there and if I open one all the icons below it appear again
[11:54] <fta> didrocks, when i open the .crash file with apport, it says cannot be reported because of out of memory
[11:54] <davmor2> s/launchs/launcher
[11:55] <fta> didrocks, but being out of memory just after a reboot with 8GB of RAM seems like a huge leak
[11:55] <didrocks> davmor2: this is on the dash, isn't it?
[11:56] <didrocks> fta: right, dunno, as pitti can reproduce, let's see…
[11:56] <davmor2> didrocks: no on the app launcher left hand side
[11:57] <didrocks> davmor2: oh? this one isn't known
[11:57] <didrocks> but can be the same cause
[11:58] <davmor2> didrocks: I've just done a quick video of it as soon as it's done I'll drop it on ubuntu one and give you the link
[11:59] <didrocks> davmor2: please open a bug rather, affect unity upstream and nux please
[11:59] <davmor2> didrocks: no problems
[11:59] <didrocks> davmor2: I think it *may* be linked
[11:59] <didrocks> davmor2: open the bug with ubuntu-bug and say "yes" when it asks you if the issue is graphical
[12:00] <didrocks> davmor2: we will know all the dirty little secrets of your hardware with that :)
[12:00] <davmor2> didrocks: I am doing  :)
[12:01] <davmor2> didrocks: it's a pretty plain system to be honest,  everything works out of the box except the wifi Atheros chip (bug already in place for that though)
[12:02] <davmor2> didrocks: it's only my test box for Software Center work
[12:02] <didrocks> davmor2: yeah, will be nice to find the common denomitor for those having those gl refresh issues, hence the bug will be of help for that
[12:02] <davmor2> didrocks: on it's way
[12:02] <didrocks> excellent :)
[12:07] <davmor2> didrocks: bug #728393 including video
[12:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 728393 in unity "Missing icons in app launcher" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728393
[12:07] <fta> didrocks, pitti: that startup bug description matches a bug i filed yesterday on my other desktop, with a valid crash file: bug 727636.. not sure it's the same though
[12:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 727636 in unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::CairoGraphics::GetBitmap()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727636
[12:08] <didrocks> davmor2: fta: thanks. I'm chasing dx guys to look at those nux issues :)
[12:15] <rodrigo_> bigon, around?
[12:16] <fta> didrocks, the last compiz seems to randomly shift the workspaces around, known?
[12:17] <didrocks> fta: hum no… do you have a reproducible test case?
[12:17] <didrocks> I'm using it since last week with 3x2 layout and didn't notice anything
[12:17] <fta> didrocks, i have 6x1 workspaces, and sometimes, the 6th becomes 1st, shifting everything on the right
[12:17] <didrocks> urgh
[12:17] <fta> just happened 2 min ago, doing nothing
[12:18] <didrocks> log a bug, we'll see if anyone can reproduce
[12:18] <fta> well, i clicked on the unity side panel
[12:18] <didrocks> I didn't see any new compiz bug on that though
[12:18] <didrocks> ah
[12:18] <didrocks> you click on an item right?
[12:18] <fta> yes
[12:18] <didrocks> it tries to focus the app in the workspace
[12:18] <fta> it's a recent regression, it used to work fine
[12:18] <didrocks> moving ws if you're not in that one
[12:20] <fta> switching me from a ws to another is fine, but re-numbering the ws is not
[12:21] <didrocks> yeah, if it's really shifting, I have no clue about such an issue
[12:21] <didrocks> so please, log a bug, with this description
[12:23] <fta> didrocks, ok, will do. btw, apport just duped my other bug :(
[12:23] <fta> so it was fixed after all
[12:23] <fta> and should be re-opened
[12:23] <fta> or un-duped
[12:24] <didrocks> you have the latest compiz isn't it?
[12:24] <didrocks> (the one from Monday fixing some decorator crashes)
[12:24] <fta> sure
[12:24] <didrocks> ok, unduped, then
[12:24] <didrocks> and reopen
[12:25] <fta> my uptime is of less than 14h, so i should be fresh unity/compiz wise
[12:26] <didrocks> yeah
[12:26] <didrocks> those racy crashes are hard to be confirmed once they are "fixed"
[12:27] <didrocks> sorry for the false positive
[12:28] <chrisccoulson> has anyone else noticed that unity-panel-service is leaking memory like a sieve?
[12:29] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: no bug reported and I restart it so often that I can't confirm for sure :)
[12:30] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, it uses over 1GB after a few hours here ;)
[12:30] <didrocks> urgh :)
[12:33] <fta> chrisccoulson, no obvious leak here.. after 14h: fta       2252  0.0  1.8 148144 62524 ?        Sl   Mar02   0:31 /usr/lib/unity/unity-panel-service
[12:40] <seb128> didrocks, the previous crasher was fixed though
[12:40] <seb128> didrocks, it happened every time you used update-manager and that stopped with the update
[12:41] <didrocks> weird, not sure what fta has he's sure to be up to date
[12:41] <seb128> fta, what compiz version do you have?
[12:42] <didrocks> (I think that apport would not have let him reporting the other crash)
[12:47] <fta> seb128, i'm up-to-date: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:52] <fta> seb128, 1:0.9.4-0ubuntu3
[13:01] <seb128> didrocks, it apport know you are outdated
[13:01] <seb128> didrocks, which is not the case if you use a mirror lagging behind
[13:01] <seb128> didrocks, you think you are uptodate and apport does as well since you are in regard of your mirror
[13:01] <didrocks> right, but lagging 2 days behind… ;)
[13:07] <fta> seb128, i'm using archive.ubuntu.com
[13:10] <fta> didrocks, bug 728428
[13:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 728428 in unity "unity messes up with workspaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728428
[13:11] <didrocks> fta: thanks, waiting for someone to confirm if they are more clue when it happens
[13:18] <seb128> never got it to break ws layout here
[14:05] <bigon> rodrigo_: hey
[14:06] <bigon> I've seen your mail, the wrapper the guy need to write is due to an not uptodate gjs on his machine
[14:21] <davmor2> didrocks: weirdly all my icon have come back again after an unlock from screensaver
[14:22] <didrocks> davmor2: it's really a refresh issue
[14:22] <davmor2> ah okay that would possibly explain it then everything would of been redrawn
[14:27] <vish> rodrigo_: hi, in your post about gnome3 ppa, you thanked "allan day", was that for the answer on askubuntu or just something else.. [cause the answer on askubuntu is not from allan ;) ]
[14:28] <vish> its from > https://launchpad.net/~andrewsomething
[14:29] <hrww> hello
[14:30] <hrww> which packages (other then ubuntu-desktop) I should install to be able to login into gnome (or unity) desktop?
[14:30] <hrww> or which ~/.* dirs I should drop to get rid of old settings from 2.0/2.x gnome era
[14:32] <vish> hrw: ~/.gconf , ~/.config , ~/.gnome2 and just to be safe ~/.gconfd
[14:32] <hrw> ok
[14:33] <vish> hrw: you could keep a backup of ~/.config and try to selectively restore some of it for other apps
[14:33] <hrw> sure
[15:04] <hrw> is it normal that compiz segfaults on alt-tab?
[15:04]  * hrw discovers new world of crashy^Wgnome desktop
[15:06] <rodrigo_> vish, I thanked allan day for finding that page :)
[15:07] <rodrigo_> bigon, ok, also your gnome-shell package works great on my desktop machine, but on my laptop it fails with undefined symbol JS_StrictPropertyStub, but seems I'm up-to-date also, so any idea what package I'm missing?
[15:07] <bigon> rodrigo_: mmmh not really
[15:07] <hrw-backup> sorry about rejoins but compiz again took down my desktop
[15:12] <seb128> hrw: can you report a bug using ubuntu-bug?
[15:12] <seb128> hrw: will apport should catch the crash and suggest to report it
[15:12] <hrw> sure
[15:15] <rodrigo_> bigon, hmm, have an older version of xulrunner-2.0, updating that to check if that was the problem
[15:19] <hrw> bug 728495
[15:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 728495 in compiz "hangs machine on alt-tab or going to screen corner" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728495
[15:21] <seb128> hrw: seems likely to be an ati bug
[15:21] <hrw> o.. this time only compiz crashed
[15:21] <hrw> seb128: I did not had this problem with kwin or xfwm4
[15:23] <didrocks> pitti: do you really want me to fix the LTSP bug?
[15:23] <didrocks> I have not such a configuration or whatever :)
[15:23] <seb128> hrw, well they might not use opengl the same way
[15:24] <hrw> seb128: possible
[15:24] <hrw> seb128: so time for me to 'dpkg --purge compiz' and enable xfwm4 instead?
[15:24] <pitti> didrocks: it looked like a problem in the session type autodetection; not necessarily fix, but Stephane had some comments/questions there, perhaps you can verify them and ask him to check a few more things?
[15:24] <pitti> didrocks: otherwise just bounce it back to c-d-t
[15:25] <seb128> hrw: it's your system, don't ask me what you should use
[15:25] <pitti> ^ absolutely feel free to do that -- I just try to find assignees for RC bugs
[15:25] <seb128> hrw: but if you get a crash please report it
[15:25] <didrocks> pitti: I'll answer him, but I think the questions were for Patrick
[15:25] <hrw> seb128: sure, just wanted to say "what options do I have now" in other words
[15:25] <seb128> hrw, well report your crash to start so we can have a better idea where the issue is
[15:26] <seb128> hrw, if it's a driver issue the #ubuntu-x guys might have some xorg.conf option to workaround it
[15:26] <seb128> otherwise you can try to switch between ati and fglrx drivers
[15:26] <seb128> give us the bug number if you report the crash
[15:27] <hrw> seb128: ok
[15:28] <didrocks> answered
[15:28] <rodrigo_> bigon, ok, fixed it with the update to xulrunner-2.0 and the latest gsettings-desktop-schemas, so working in both of my machines
[15:28] <rodrigo_> bigon, thanks for working on it!
[15:28] <bigon> I guess with should make deps thighter
[15:29] <hrw> *********************************WARN_ONCE*********************************
[15:29] <hrw> File evergreen_render.c function evergreenTryDrawPrims line 895
[15:29] <hrw> Rendering was 3 commands larger than predicted size. We might overflow  command buffer.
[15:29] <hrw> that was given during usage
[15:31] <seb128> hrw, seems something for #ubuntu-x
[15:31] <hrw> sure, will go
[15:32] <stgraber> didrocks: I think compiz/unity did what it was supposed to do, the issue probably is the virtualbox driver
[15:33] <didrocks> stgraber: I saw some people running it under virtualbox4. Never tried myself
[15:34] <stgraber> didrocks: the only weird part with ltsp is that the application (unity in this case) runs with a remote X server
[15:34] <stgraber> didrocks: I know that at least the intel driver works fine for that but maybe something doesn't work that well with the virtualbox driver
[15:43] <didrocks> stgraber: more than possible, I don't know enough those kind of configuration
[15:46] <hrw> is there a way to get Alt+RMB==resize window?
[15:46] <tedg> mterry, I'm getting a conflict merging your visual-nit's branch after the spin button one.  Could you look at that?  I'm not sure how to resolve the merge.
[15:46] <mterry> tedg, oh yeah, I didn't base one on the other.  looking
[15:47] <mterry> tedg, guh, .ui conflict
[15:48] <pitti> didrocks: I'll defer the remaining WIs (mostly unity a11y) to b1 for now, ok?
[15:49] <didrocks> pitti: dbarth told me he updated all of them yesterday, is it not the case?
[15:49] <didrocks> maybe worth that rodrigo_ have a look to confirm them or not
[15:49] <pitti> didrocks: ah, at least some were
[15:50]  * didrocks *sighs*
[15:50] <didrocks> pitti: sorry, I'll track even that now, I should have rechecked :/
[15:50] <hrw> re
[15:51] <pitti> didrocks: there are some others left as well; I'll go through them now and ask if I encounter an unityish one
[15:51] <didrocks> pitti: ok, thanks a bunch :)
[15:53] <dbarth> didrocks: not all of them yeah maybe
[15:53] <dbarth> pitti: is that blocking you?
[15:53] <pitti> dbarth: no, that's fine; I didn't notice that you updated them, thanks
[15:54] <rodrigo_> didrocks, pitti: yes, sure, what should I review?
[15:54] <pitti> TheMuso still has two left on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-dx-n-unity-a11y and one on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-n-unity-places
[15:54] <pitti> but I'll just move them
[15:54] <pitti> rodrigo_: nevermind for now
[15:55] <rodrigo_> ok
[15:58] <tedg> chrisccoulson, Are you okay with this merge? https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/appmenu-gtk/lp718926/+merge/51951
[15:58] <chrisccoulson> tedg, oh, sorry, i didn't comment yet
[15:59] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it looks ok, although, i haven't tested it ;)
[15:59] <chrisccoulson> i'm sure mterry did though :)
[15:59] <mterry> chrisccoulson, yeay, with the trouble apps we knew about
[16:00] <chrisccoulson> thanks!
[16:00] <chrisccoulson> i merged it in to my branch now
[16:01] <tedg> chrisccoulson, mterry, Cool, thanks guys!
[16:02] <pitti> seb128: FYI, "deferred" is spelled "dropped"
[16:02] <seb128> pitti, doh, sorry I though both was parsed the same way
[16:02] <seb128> were
[16:02] <pitti> fixing now
[16:03] <pitti> seb128: no, it's dropped or postponed
[16:03] <seb128> pitti, I wanted to indicate it's delayed to next cycle, not simply dropped
[16:03] <seb128> oh ok
[16:03] <pitti> fixed to "postponed"
[16:03] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[16:04] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team-natty-alpha-3.html should ideally be at 0 after the next run
[16:04] <mterry> yay pitti!
[16:04] <mterry> :)
[16:04] <pitti> mterry: well, I didn't magically fix them all -- just move to b1
[16:04] <mterry> pitti, pfft, same difference  :)
[16:05] <didrocks> pitti: with postponed, there will be a way at the start of next cycle to see all "postponed" tasks to retarget them?
[16:05] <pitti> we should have ~ 30 WIs for beta-1 now
[16:05] <pitti> didrocks: not a magic one
[16:05] <mterry> tedg, merged-with-trunk visual-nits branch pushed.  I also snuck in a fix for the manual time spinner always showing UTC time!  (whoops, just used wrong datetime call)
[16:05]  * didrocks likes magic though :)
[16:05] <pitti> didrocks: we can walk through the postponed ones on http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-desktop-team.html and put them on another spec
[16:05] <pitti> didrocks: or re-target existing specs to o, if most of them are still todo
[16:05] <didrocks> pitti: ok, fair enough :)
[16:05] <pitti> didrocks: i. e. "entire spec was postponed" -> retarget
[16:06] <pitti> "one WI left" -> probably better as a targetted bug
[16:06] <didrocks> yeah
[16:06] <didrocks> thanks for the clarification :)
[16:06] <tedg> mterry, Cool, thanks!
[16:09]  * mterry hates futzing with indicator-datetime, because my clock is never right anymore
[16:11] <pitti> archive freeze lifted; upload away
[16:12]  * pitti has 7 packages to upload
[16:12] <chrisccoulson> woooooooooooohoooooooooooooooooooo!
[16:12] <chrisccoulson> firefox menu here we come
[16:12] <pitti> chrisccoulson: firefox FTW!
[16:14] <kenvandine> dobey, with banshee, how do i get a u1ms url?
[16:14] <kenvandine> pitti, woot!
[16:15] <mvo> pitti: will you do a aptdaemon upload too?
[16:15] <pitti> mvo: yes
[16:15] <pitti> mvo: it's part of my "fix up stuff with new g-i"
[16:15] <pitti> mvo: do you have something else for it still?
[16:15] <mvo> pitti: excellent, thanks!
[16:15] <pitti> mvo: tested locally, works fine here
[16:15] <pitti> oh, and yay for its shiny test suite
[16:16] <mvo> pitti: I commited a tiny cleanup in the tests today, so revno+=1
[16:16] <mvo> pitti: but thats it :)
[16:16] <pitti> mvo: hm, I already prepared orig.tar.gz etc.
[16:16] <pitti> I guess it doesn't actually change anythign functional?
[16:18] <dholbach> hiya
[16:18] <dholbach> I have a question about banshee
[16:18] <dholbach> if I reset all my banshee config and start from scratch - it should find my U1 music, right?
[16:19] <mvo> pitti: no, does not need to be in
[16:19] <rodrigo_> dholbach, yes, if the banshee u1 plugin is installed
[16:19] <mvo> pitti: bzr-builddeb -S should do everything, right? I mean, the amount of work of adding it should just be changing revno and bzr-builddeb -S. but if everything is dput ready its fine to leave for later
[16:20] <jcastro> lamalex: hey, at the session we decided to shut off the video source in banshee since it's basically not-so-awesome right?
[16:20] <dholbach> rodrigo_, yep it is
[16:20] <pitti> mvo: it doesn't do a new upstream release, tarball, etc.?
[16:20] <dholbach> rodrigo_, should this be enough to make it work?
[16:20] <dholbach> rm -r .cache/banshee-1/
[16:20] <dholbach> rm -r .config/banshee-1/
[16:20] <dholbach> gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/banshee-1
[16:20] <pitti> mvo: maybe I missed some magic here?
[16:20] <dobey> kenvandine: you can't get one out of banshee; the feature seems to be very difficult to do in banshee, and we're postponing the "share a link to this song" bit for now
[16:20] <mvo> pitti: it should be able to do that, pull the right rev automatically, create tarball etc
[16:21] <pitti> wow
[16:21] <mvo> its a really cool feature :)
[16:21] <kenvandine> dobey, ok.. can you give me a valid example?
[16:21]  * mvo loves it
[16:21] <rodrigo_> dholbach, hmmm, not sure, I guess so
[16:21] <lamalex> jcastro, uh, did we?
[16:21] <lamalex> I don't know if we did
[16:21] <dholbach> rodrigo_, well, my music doesn't turn up :)
[16:21] <dobey> kenvandine: https://one.ubuntu.com/music/l/6030897/0
[16:21] <jcastro> lamalex: you said something like you wanted to do something neat based on time but I don't think we ever got there.
[16:21] <lamalex> jcastro, we should distro patch in oliver's patch to make it an extension then
[16:21] <kenvandine> dobey, thx
[16:21] <dobey> kenvandine: clicking "buy it" on there in midori at least works
[16:21] <jcastro> lamalex: imo we should just turn it off until we have something awesome
[16:21] <lamalex> so it's easy to remove but add back
[16:22] <jcastro> k
[16:22] <lamalex> jcastro, we actually have something awesome but they're unapplied patches
[16:22] <dobey> kenvandine: firefox is broken due to the issues we discussed the other day with chrisccoulson
[16:22] <rodrigo_> dholbach, not even the u1 music?
[16:22] <chrisccoulson> pitti, firefox uploaded \o/
[16:22] <lamalex> jcastro, we added dvd and tv library management
[16:22] <kenvandine> dobey, yeah
[16:22] <jcastro> lamalex: right, and looking at the calendar ...
[16:22]  * pitti ^5s chrisccoulson -- another WI bites the dust
[16:22] <chrisccoulson> i need to fix dobey's issue now ;)
[16:22] <dholbach> rodrigo_, no, and I guess I don't have to set ".ubuntuone/Purchased..." as a folder where my music is, right?
[16:22] <lamalex> jcastro, yah
[16:22] <dobey> kenvandine: midori and chromium both work for me though
[16:22] <rodrigo_> dholbach, no, it already is
[16:23] <kenvandine> dobey, confirmed, great
[16:23] <dholbach> rescan library also doesn't help
[16:23] <rodrigo_> dholbach, don't know much about the banshee extension, but if it works like the rb one, it should just add the ~/.ubuntuone/Pur... as part of your music collection
[16:23] <kenvandine> dobey, is there already a bug filed about needing to be in the store already for it to work?
[16:23] <jcastro> lamalex: you have a work item actually: [alexlauni] Ensure video source is decent, and if not, perhaps disable it until we have something nice: TODO
[16:23] <rodrigo_> dholbach, so, if it's not showing up, it's  a bug there, it seems
[16:23] <dobey> dholbach: it's a bug we need to fix still
[16:24] <lamalex> heh I didn't know about that work item :P
[16:24] <dobey> dholbach: it's known, and filed :)
[16:24] <dholbach> dobey, aha!
[16:24] <lamalex> that's not really dx related. I guess that's my community work item
[16:24] <jcastro> right
[16:24] <dobey> kenvandine: yes, and already fix for it in libu1 trunk
[16:24] <lamalex> well, I tried but the patches haven't made it in :(
[16:24] <lamalex> we got blocked on gio bugs
[16:24] <kenvandine> cool
[16:24] <jcastro> lamalex: who can I ping, I can close the loop
[16:24] <kenvandine> dobey, sponsoring
[16:24] <dobey> yay
[16:24] <lamalex> get gabaug to revert the commit that causes gio crashers
[16:25] <lamalex> (which should be reverted anyway, it freaking fixes a leak with a segfault..)
[16:25] <lamalex> and then the dvd patch is ready to go, I don't know if the video library patch has been reviewed yet. I haven't had a chance
[16:25] <jcastro> k
[16:26] <pitti> mvo: ah, is that the magic?
[16:26] <pitti> export-upstream=lp:aptdaemon
[16:26] <pitti> export-upstream-revision=581
[16:26] <pitti> mvo: i. e. if I'd wanted a newer one, I'd bump that and do bzr bd -S
[16:26] <pitti> ?
[16:26] <dobey> dholbach: problem is that neither extension scans an already-existing u1 purchased music library. so if you bought songs in rbox already, they don't show up in banshee automatically when you run it
[16:26] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, did i beat the LibO menubar integration btw?
[16:26] <chrisccoulson> does seb128 lose his bet? ;)
[16:26] <dobey> dholbach: but it's on my radar to fix :)
[16:26] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, yes :)
[16:27] <dholbach> dobey, do you have a bug# for it?
[16:27] <pitti> mvo: I gotta try this, it's too much love to not have
[16:27] <seb128> chrisccoulson, heh, your firefox upload didn't build yet!
[16:27] <seb128> let me screw the buildds ;-)
[16:27] <kenvandine> haha... i think lo-menubar is still in binNEW
[16:27] <chrisccoulson> lol
[16:27] <chrisccoulson> that's cheating ;)
[16:28] <dobey> dholbach: let me find one. i think there are a few filed, but it's somewhat hard to tell what the reporter is talking about exactly sometimes :)
[16:28] <mvo> pitti: in bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/ubuntu-natty/ there is a .bzr-builddeb/default.conf with all the right magic
[16:28] <dholbach> I hope I was clear enough :)
[16:28] <seb128> kenvandine, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=
[16:28] <seb128> kenvandine, seems not?
[16:28] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, and to be fair, lo-menubar is more buggy
[16:28] <kenvandine> seb128, oh... great
[16:28] <pitti> mvo: right; I meant, I need to bump the export-upstream-revision=581 field in that?
[16:28] <mvo> pitti: it should be able to get the right revision from the debian/changelog version number
[16:29] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, so lo-menubar beat you to universe :)
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[16:29] <mvo> pitti: that worked for me, just add bzrREVNO and it exported the right one
[16:29] <pitti> trying
[16:29] <mvo> pitti: I guess the default.conf works too, but changelog seems to win
[16:29] <dobey> dholbach: yeah, immediately understood what your problem was when i saw your conversation with rodrigo_ :)
[16:30] <dobey> dholbach: bug #705284 is one of them
[16:30] <ubot2> dobey: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/705284)
[16:30] <pitti> mvo: indeed
[16:30] <dholbach> thanks dobey
[16:30] <pitti> ♩ it's a kind of maaagic ♫ ♬
[16:31] <pitti> mvo: this is way too easy!
[16:31] <mvo> pitti: I love it too
[16:32] <seb128> kenvandine, how busy are you before ted's tarball start to land?
[16:32] <kenvandine> kind of busy... sponsoring banshee and need to release indicator-me
[16:32] <dobey> dholbach: that seems to be the only one filed against the banshee package. i think the others are filed against rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store, and i think there's one that's also forwarded upstream already
[16:32] <kenvandine> what do you need?
[16:33] <dobey> alright, i'm off to lunch
[16:34] <dholbach> thanks dobey
[16:34] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, nothing urgent, I was checking around if someone wants to go the gexiv2 and shotwell update
[16:35] <seb128> but not hurry for those, I will start by filling the ffe bug
[16:35] <kenvandine> thx
[16:35] <kenvandine> i'll check in later to see if anyone did them
[16:36] <dholbach> and the U1 plugin for rhythmbox doesn't work any more either, right?
[16:44] <mvo> mterry: hey, the new server update fixed the deja-dup review submission, its now possible to see the reviews (and they are very positive)
[16:44] <mterry> mvo, woo!
[16:52] <seb128> rodrigo_, hum, are you sure we wanted the new libcanberra in natty?
[16:52] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, not sure, just that it included a few fixes, one of which we were carrying
[16:53] <rodrigo_> seb128, any problem with that version?
[16:53] <seb128> rodrigo_, http://git.0pointer.de/?p=libcanberra.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff8638d2526d15aa384bc8af13787dedd1495e27 seems wrong since our GNOME still write in gconf and not gsettings
[16:53] <seb128> http://git.0pointer.de/?p=libcanberra.git
[16:53] <seb128> rodrigo_, it has only 1 other commit
[16:53] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, we might need to patch that then
[16:54] <seb128> rodrigo_, but thanks for fixing the other issues and update the patch otherwise ;-)
[16:54] <seb128> updating
[16:54] <rodrigo_> seb128, I guess we can come back to 0.27
[16:54] <seb128> rodrigo_, let's just revert this commit
[16:54] <rodrigo_> seb128, I just upgraded to .28 because it was the latest
[16:55] <rodrigo_> seb128, reverting all commits or just the upgrade to .28?
[16:57] <seb128> rodrigo_, just the url I pointed which changed the .desktops
[16:57] <seb128> rodrigo_, I will do it now don't bother
[16:57] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[16:57] <rodrigo_> seb128, thanks
[17:05] <pitti> didrocks: hmm, is super+a meant to bring up the apps places, or do an expose-like effect in compiz? currently it's doing both
[17:06] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, there is a conflict and the default should be removed in compiz
[17:06] <pitti> ok, thanks
[17:06] <didrocks> pitti: I opened a design task for that 2 weeks ago
[17:06] <didrocks> still waiting feedback…
[17:06]  * pitti -> afk; I'll reinstlal my workstation with alpha-3, and then call it a day
[17:06] <didrocks> see you pitti!
[17:09] <chrisccoulson> pitti - you won't be around to NEW firefox-globalmenu? ;)
[17:51] <pitti> chrisccoulson: back online, with a freshly installed alpha-3 :)
[17:51] <pitti> chrisccoulson: can do
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> i wish it would hurry up and finish building ;)
[17:52] <bcurtiswx> would you recommend be installing fresh installed when one is release (e.g. alpha 3) ?
[17:52] <pitti> but I'll go AFK for real today RSN
[17:52] <seb128> pitti, did it keep your installed packages?
[17:52] <bcurtiswx> wow, that wasn't very good english on my part.. LOL
[17:52] <pitti> seb128: didn't try that
[17:53] <bcurtiswx> With alpha 3, is it recommended to fresh install alphas, or keep my dist-upgraded earlier natty
[17:54] <htorque> hey guys, i was trying out the gnome3 ppa, but gnome-shell won't start. mutter segfaults and restarts four times a second in libmozjs.so (amd64, intel and nouveau)
[17:54] <seb128> bcurtiswx, dist-upgrading should be just fine
[17:54] <htorque> should i try to get a backtrace and make this a bug report?
[17:54] <seb128> rodrigo_, ^
[17:54] <bcurtiswx> seb128, thx
[17:55] <rodrigo_> htorque, run 'gnome-shell --replace on a terminal, and let's see what it outputs
[17:55] <seb128> rodrigo_, well he says it segfaults in libmozjs
[17:56] <seb128> just blame it on firefox being buggy ;-)
[17:56] <htorque> rodrigo_, that seems to work
[17:56] <rodrigo_> htorque, segfaults on an undefined symbol?
[17:56] <chrisccoulson> try rebuilding libgjs
[17:56] <chrisccoulson> has it been rebuilt since the last firefox update? if not, it needs to be
[17:56] <chrisccoulson> there was an ABI break
[17:56] <chrisccoulson> again
[17:56] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, just looking to see if it was the same segfault I was getting on my laptop
[17:57] <rodrigo_> htorque, cool, just fyi, I had to upgrade xulrunner-2.0 and gsettings-desktop-schemas to avoid a crash this morning
[17:58] <pitti> good night everyone!
[18:00] <htorque> rodrigo_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/575096/
[18:02] <htorque> good, so starting it manually via 'gnome-shell --replace' works with nouveau and intel, no segfaults
[18:02] <rodrigo_> htorque, ugh
[18:02] <rodrigo_> htorque, what version of xulrunner do you have?
[18:04] <htorque> rodrigo_, 2.0~b12+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu3
[18:07] <rodrigo_> hmm, where is libmozjs located?
[18:07] <rodrigo_> htorque, seems ok, so not sure about the segfault, if you can run it under gdb?
[18:08] <micahg> rodrigo_: mozjs is in the xulrunner dir
[18:10] <htorque> rodrigo_, it fails when booting with auto-login enabled or starting the session from gdm - any hint where i would start gdb?
[18:15] <rodrigo_> micahg, yeah, found it, thanks
[18:23] <achiang> does anyone know how /lib/init/fstab influences /etc/fstab? i've experimented by making changes in the former, but they are not reflected in the latter
[18:35] <dobey> (gtk-update-icon-cache:5507): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory
[18:35] <dobey> :(
[19:39] <chrisccoulson> pitti, well, amd64 has finished building now ;)
[19:39] <chrisccoulson> i should have switched off the testsuite for this build
[19:39] <chrisccoulson> it would have finished over an hour ago ;)
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> oh, i386 is just about to finish too :)
[20:04] <fta> grr, i have a big invisible window at the top left of my screen, can't use anything below it
[20:07] <fta> didrocks, <fta> grr, i have a big invisible window at the top left of my screen, can't use anything below it
[20:07] <fta> didrocks, any idea?
[20:07] <didrocks> fta: xkill?
[20:07] <didrocks> there is one remaining case
[20:07] <fta> xprop says it's the about me applet
[20:07] <didrocks> fta: yeah, xkill it
[20:08] <fta> oh, good
[20:08] <fta> thanks
[20:08] <didrocks> but we don't really know how to reproduce it for smspillaz to debug it
[20:08] <didrocks> yw :)
[20:08]  * Sweetshark just finished a prototype for LibreOffice Popupmenus in unity.
[20:08] <didrocks> Sweetshark: excellent \o/
[20:08]  * Sweetshark dances a bit around ...
[20:09] <Sweetshark> lol, its 12 lines of Libreoffice Basic, but I had to dig through half of the LO source for it.
[20:09] <didrocks> oh really?
[20:26] <kenvandine> yay... i almost have the "Post to... " hint problem in indicator-me fixed!
[20:51] <tedg> mterry, When you did a merge-upstream on indicator-datetime last week you forgot to tie it to the proper version on trunk.  Not a biggie, but just FYI.
[20:52] <mterry> tedg, I don't understand, so I'll probably make the same mistake again. Did I not use the right command or just forget to call mark-uploaded or something?
[20:53] <tedg> mterry, It needs to be something like this:  bzr merge-upstream {tarball} {trunk} -r tag:{tag} --version {version}
[20:53] <tedg> mterry, So what happened is that it didn't get linked to {trunk} so it thought all the PNGs were generated files in the tarball, and created new file IDs for them.
[20:54] <mterry> tedg, I don't remember running merge-upstream.  Maybe that explains it.  :)
[20:55] <tedg> mterry, Hmm, it created the "upstream-0.1.94" revision... so it seems you probably did.  Unless you did that yourself.
[20:55] <mterry> hm
[20:56] <mterry> Oh, ok, yah.  I remember that, sorry.  :)
[20:56] <mterry> Will try to tie to trunk in future
[20:57] <tedg> mterry, No problem.
[21:25] <kklimonda1> chrisccoulson: any idea if it's possible to disable logout in gnome, eventually make it require entering admin password?
[21:33] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda1, i don't think so. why would you want to do that?
[21:33] <kklimonda1> chrisccoulson: to lockdown the desktop as much as possible
[21:33] <chrisccoulson> the user owns all the processes in their session anyway, so doing that would be pretty difficult ;)
[21:33] <kklimonda1> chrisccoulson: i.e. creating pseudo-kiosk mode
[21:35] <micahg> kklimonda1: remove the logout applet from the panel?
[21:36] <kklimonda1> micahg: right
[21:36] <kklimonda1> and remove access to terminal
[22:22] <RAOF> Hm.  My router has almost been considerate by dying after I've ordered a new one.
[22:22] <RAOF> Sadly, the new one isn't due for 5-7 business days.
[22:22] <RAOF> I christen today “limited RAOF connectivity day”
[22:31] <TheMuso> RAOF: That sucks.
[22:32] <RAOF> It's been slowly dying for a while, but I power-cycled it today to see if I could get it more stable and… it didn't turn back on.
[22:32] <RAOF> Stability accomplished!
[22:32] <TheMuso> heh
[22:32] <TheMuso> What router are you currently suffering with?
[22:34] <RAOF> A Billion 7something or other.
[22:34] <RAOF> I've got one of those snazzy Fritz!Box things coming in.
[22:35] <TheMuso> ah ok
[22:35] <TheMuso> An old notebook is my router, as I find boxed devices too limiting, and don't have the time to screw around with custom firmware that may or may not work properly with the ahrdware in question.
[22:37] <RAOF> I don't really want my router to do anything fancy.  Manage my VoIP phone, distribute bits over wireless in my house, ideally do UPnP port forwarding, and prefereably not screw up multicast too much.
[22:38] <RAOF> The Billion handled those, with the exception of eating zeroconf packets like cand.
[22:38] <RAOF> s/./y./
[22:38] <TheMuso> lol
[22:39] <TheMuso> Yeah, I just want a little more control over the firewall, and have also recently set up a VPN for use when I'm out and about, for mail sync/retrieval from my server etc.