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| Daviey | Anyone from foundations around? | 01:29 |
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| nixternal | go to bed | 01:31 |
| Daviey | nixternal, no you :) | 01:32 |
| nixternal | i will in a bit :) | 01:32 |
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| didrocks | good morning | 07:37 |
| dholbach | good morning | 08:10 |
| pitti | Good morning | 08:22 |
| pitti | sconklin-gone: we need a matching linux-ubuntu-modules for hardy | 08:34 |
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| pitti | jhunt: good morning | 08:46 |
| jhunt | pitti: morning | 08:46 |
| pitti | jhunt: would you like to write a short paragraph about new upstart features in alpha-3, in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview ? | 08:46 |
| jhunt | pitti: certainly! I'll do that today. | 08:47 |
| pitti | jhunt: thanks; we'd like to finish the text soon | 08:49 |
| jhunt | pitti: in which case, I'll do it now :) | 08:50 |
| jhunt | pitti: should I add the detail to the "Ubuntu Desktop Edition" section, or do you think a new subsection in the "New Features" section is appropriate (since it affects all derivates?) | 08:53 |
| pitti | jhunt: there's already a 3.1.3 upstart section | 08:55 |
| jhunt | pitti: doh - where's that cup of coffee.. | 08:55 |
| * pitti collects some "known bugs" documentation, but won't touch the wiki for now | 08:55 | |
| pitti | jhunt: in fact, it doesn't actually need to be limited to a3 -- over time this page will become the full natty release notes | 08:58 |
| jhunt | pitti: gotcha | 08:59 |
| jhunt | pitti, cjwatson: how much detail do we want for user sessions (since we've disabled them by default)? | 09:22 |
| pitti | jhunt: I think leave them out for now, and add them for beta-1, when they'll actually work? | 09:22 |
| jhunt | pitti: ok. The good news is that they seem to work pretty well for me, but more testing is required. | 09:23 |
| jhunt | pitti: wiki updated. The styling on that page might need some work - look at how the heading "Override Files" displays in the body of the page. | 09:47 |
| pitti | jhunt: great, thanks! wow, that got quite detailled | 09:50 |
| jhunt | pitti: feel free to dilute it if necessary - my brain is currently stuck in "man page mode" :) | 09:51 |
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| apw | jhunt, this tech overview for upstart is very good ... | 10:27 |
| jhunt | apw: thx! (I'll pay you later... ;) | 10:28 |
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| apw | jhunt, upstart Q, where is virtual-filesystems emitted ? | 11:20 |
| jhunt | apw: mountall. | 11:20 |
| jhunt | apw: Here's a preview of the new upstart-events summary that'll be in natty next week - http://people.canonical.com/~jhunt/upstart/man/upstart-events.pdf | 11:22 |
| jhunt | apw: pdf rendering isn't perfect - looks much better in a console! :-) | 11:22 |
| apw | jhunt, awsome. i am looking at how we might inject a fallback framebuffer load without unduly slowing boot | 11:23 |
| apw | as having vesafb and drm loaded at the same time is causing GPU hangs, and upstream just think we are mad loading both | 11:23 |
| apw | jhunt, nice information though ... good stuff | 11:25 |
| apw | jhunt, now 'graphics-device-added' etc are presumably created by the udev-upstart bridge ? | 11:30 |
| jhunt | apw: indeed | 11:31 |
| apw | those could do with being on your new page :) | 11:31 |
| jhunt | well, the trouble is - there are a lot of possible events there: "*-device-*". I have listed some common ones. | 11:32 |
| seb128 | pitti, we should perhaps discuss cd use here | 11:33 |
| apw | jhunt, yeah i would prolly add just the two graphics ones as they are of interest in start sequence | 11:33 |
| seb128 | pitti, so /usr/lib/gcc won a cc1plus binary between a2 and a3 it seems | 11:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, the /usr/lib/egl dir was not in a2 and add an extra 6 as well | 11:37 |
| seb128 | pitti, those are the obvious things I see | 11:38 |
| jhunt | apw: ok - I'll add graphics-device-added and drm-device-added. Would that cover it? See "Note K" (Tables 1 and 4) for what I have so far wrt the *-device-* issue. | 11:38 |
| apw | jhunt, yeah there are clearly infinite numbers of actual events, but those two as they appear comonly in the most complex upstart interactions seem appropriate | 11:39 |
| jhunt | apw: right | 11:39 |
| pitti | seb128: seems libcairo pulls in libegl | 11:39 |
| seb128 | pitti, that's because we enabled the gl backend which is needed for wayland | 11:40 |
| pitti | seb128: I think we could safely drop g++; for building drivers (which is the primary reason we have this), gcc should be enough? | 11:40 |
| apw | jhunt, what sort of upstart job would i want to use to run a single modprobe | 11:40 |
| seb128 | pitti, well, do you know why we g++ got added to the cd? | 11:41 |
| pitti | I don't know | 11:42 |
| pitti | seb128: I think it has been there all the time, it just grew? | 11:42 |
| jhunt | apw: not quite sure what you mean. There are existing jobs which do modprobes (gssd, autofs, cups, qemu-kvm, etc). | 11:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, seems a2 didn't have build-essential or g++ | 11:43 |
| pitti | seb128: ok, then that's new indeed | 11:43 |
| cjwatson | if the modprobe is triggered solely by a udev event, a udev rule should be sufficient for the modprobe | 11:43 |
| seb128 | or the fact that it was missing in a2 was buggy | 11:43 |
| cjwatson | you'd use an upstart job for that if the start conditions are more complex | 11:43 |
| seb128 | pitti, well in any case g++ and elg is most of the difference | 11:43 |
| seb128 | they add an extra 16 | 11:43 |
| apw | jhunt, i should better ask if i know which event woke a job ... as i want this job to basically start if a framebuffer appears or cold plug is complete ... but i want it to no-op itself if we woke on framebuffer | 11:44 |
| pitti | seb128: we'll drop 2.8 MB from libreoffice-style-tango | 11:44 |
| apw | cjwatson, yeah indeed. this is going to me much more complex i fear | 11:44 |
| apw | this is vesafb fallback fixup | 11:44 |
| pitti | seb128: apparently build-essential is a new recommends, I can purge it | 11:47 |
| seb128 | pitti, I've no strong opinion, I just tried to help by having a look at what changed between a2 and a3 | 11:47 |
| seb128 | works for me | 11:48 |
| cjwatson | apw: LESS=+/UPSTART_ man 5 init | 11:48 |
| seb128 | let's try to drop it and see if it creates any issue? | 11:48 |
| pitti | seb128: did we have dpkg-dev previously? | 11:48 |
| seb128 | pitti, no | 11:48 |
| seb128 | it's all part of what ev added with dpkg-repack to ubiquity | 11:48 |
| pitti | aah | 11:49 |
| seb128 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg-repack/+bug/726453 | 11:49 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 726453 in dpkg-repack (Ubuntu) "[MIR] dpkg-repack" [Undecided,Fix released] | 11:49 |
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| seb128 | ev: dpkg-repack is tiny but it's bringing g++ on the CD ;-) | 11:50 |
| seb128 | ok so dpkg-repacks Depends on dpkg-dev which Recommends build-essential which depends on g++ | 11:51 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ | 11:51 |
| ev | oh, I mistakenly thought that was a recommends | 11:51 |
| pitti | right | 11:51 |
| seb128 | not sure if we can lower the recommends to a suggest | 11:51 |
| ev | err yes | 11:51 |
| ev | suggest | 11:51 |
| pitti | dpkg --build needs dpkg-dev, I take it? | 11:51 |
| pitti | seb128: dpkg-dev suggests: b-e? | 11:52 |
| pitti | it doesn't really sound correct for a developer installing it, but then again the recommended package to install is b-e anyway | 11:52 |
| seb128 | well that's the only thing we can lower in those | 11:52 |
| pitti | and it would certainly fix that | 11:52 |
| seb128 | that seems wrong though | 11:52 |
| pitti | seb128: what? | 11:53 |
| seb128 | if dpkg-dev recommends build-essential there is probably a reason | 11:53 |
| seb128 | let me check | 11:53 |
| cjwatson | I think the dpkg-dev Recommendation needs to stay TBH | 11:54 |
| cjwatson | we already have enough confusion from users wondering why packages don't build | 11:54 |
| cjwatson | but I'm not sure of a better solution | 11:54 |
| cjwatson | hm, added in dpkg 1.14.16 | 11:54 |
| cjwatson | one thing here is that we had *just* got to the point where all the Ubuntu-local dpkg changes had been accepted upstream | 11:55 |
| pitti | dpkg-dev itself is already .5 MB packaged, which we can cope with, but not b-e | 11:55 |
| cjwatson | it would be really very irritating indeed to add another source of long-term divergence | 11:55 |
| cjwatson | I wanted to get dpkg synced | 11:55 |
| seb128 | ev: do you really need dpkg-repack? | 11:56 |
| pitti | would it be possible to copy /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage into dpkg-repack? (also hackish, I know) | 11:56 |
| cjwatson | ick, no! | 11:56 |
| seb128 | or could you just copy what you need in ubiquity? | 11:56 |
| pitti | seb128: you mean copy the package's files, isntead of dpkg-repack'ing it and installing it again? | 11:57 |
| cjwatson | I don't actually understand why dpkg-repack needs dpkg-dev | 11:57 |
| cjwatson | it doesn't, AFAICS, use it | 11:57 |
| seb128 | pitti, yeah, not sure what ubiquity was doing before dpkg-unpack started being used recently | 11:57 |
| pitti | cjwatson: it calls dpkg-buildpackage | 11:57 |
| pitti | cjwatson: well, it calls dpkg --build, which does AFAIK? | 11:58 |
| cjwatson | no | 11:58 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, well, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg-repack/+bug/726453 | 11:58 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 726453 in dpkg-repack (Ubuntu) "[MIR] dpkg-repack" [Undecided,Fix released] | 11:58 |
| cjwatson | dpkg --build does not call dpkg-buildpackage, that would be infinite recursion | 11:58 |
| cjwatson | dpkg --build is what dh_builddeb calls | 11:58 |
| seb128 | hum | 11:58 |
| pitti | ah, it calls dpkg-deb -b, I figure (which is in dpkg) | 11:58 |
| cjwatson | indeed | 11:58 |
| pitti | perfect | 11:58 |
| pitti | I went through the dpkg-repack code, and that's the only place which could potentially use | 11:59 |
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| pitti | ... dpkg-deb | 11:59 |
| pitti | dpkg-dev, I mean | 11:59 |
| cjwatson | likewise | 11:59 |
| cjwatson | dpkg-repack (1.19) unstable; urgency=low | 11:59 |
| cjwatson | * Add missing dependency on dpkg-dev. | 11:59 |
| cjwatson | -- Joey Hess <joeyh@debian.org> Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:42:03 +0100 | 11:59 |
| cjwatson | ah, I think it may have been because it used to use 822-date | 12:00 |
| cjwatson | that was in dpkg-dev; but that was deprecated and replaced with date -R | 12:00 |
| cjwatson | I think that was the source of the dependency, but it's no longer relevant | 12:01 |
| pitti | \o/ | 12:01 |
| cjwatson | pitti,seb128: ubiquity> the dpkg-repack stuff is a new feature in ubiquity | 12:01 |
| cjwatson | it's for trying to do a neater job of installing over an existing system I believe (I haven't actually kept up, bad me) | 12:02 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:02 |
| seb128 | in any case if we can drop the depends problem solved ;-) | 12:02 |
| cjwatson | yep | 12:02 |
| ev | neater job of installing over an existing system> yes, the original option was buried in the advanced partitioner and only preserved files in /home. This cycle we've pushed it to an automatic partitioning option (as probably noticed) and added the functionality to preserve the set of applications previously installed (thus apt-clone and in turn, dpkg-repack). | 12:04 |
| Daviey | Hi, would a member of foundations mind looking at the debdiff for bug #711425 , comment 10. Thanks. | 12:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 711425 in sysvinit (Ubuntu) "portmap does not stop during shutdown, causing possible root fs corruption" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711425 | 12:04 |
| seb128 | ev: nice option ;-) | 12:05 |
| ev | seb128: thanks, much thanks to mvo for the apt-clone code. | 12:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, so I'm not sure what to do about cairo, the only reason we turn on the gl backend (which is not a stable one) is to be able to get wayland in universe | 12:06 |
| pitti | seb128: it's 1.5 MB packaged, I guess we'll need to leave it for now? Or can we split out the backend in cairo? | 12:07 |
| seb128 | we can't | 12:07 |
| seb128 | it's not a separate file | 12:07 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's likely bryce would not be happy if we said that wayland needs to go, he just got it in universe | 12:08 |
| seb128 | pitti, though I doubt it's really useful for any users right now | 12:08 |
| seb128 | it's rather a tech demo thing | 12:08 |
| pitti | seb128: so at most we could build a libcairo-egl (Providing libcairo) | 12:09 |
| seb128 | it's likely people who want it will want to do work on it and will need updated builds | 12:09 |
| pitti | but no, libraries often have versioned rdepends, so nevermind | 12:09 |
| pitti | seb128: I think getting off g++ and b-e, and libreoffice-style-tango should already buy us quite a bit | 12:09 |
| seb128 | right | 12:10 |
| pitti | I chopped of 20 MB worth of langpacks | 12:10 |
| pitti | 'off' | 12:10 |
| seb128 | dropping egl will not win us an extra language pack it seems | 12:10 |
| pitti | ghostscript also grew quite a bit, that might be worth investigating, too | 12:10 |
| seb128 | speaking of language-pakcs | 12:11 |
| seb128 | the current one is 1.5 months old | 12:11 |
| seb128 | is there any chance to get new ones in natty? | 12:11 |
| pitti | seb128: yeah, I'm still working on fixing up the firefox langpacks | 12:12 |
| seb128 | so it's firefox blocking us? | 12:12 |
| seb128 | it's not translated anyway in natty | 12:13 |
| seb128 | can't we just do an update with firefox still broken? | 12:13 |
| seb128 | ok, lunch time | 12:13 |
| seb128 | brb | 12:13 |
| pitti | seb128: we can, but not now, when we're still rebuilding CDs :) | 12:27 |
| pitti | (also, we need a full export now) | 12:27 |
| ogra | to get messages on the splash using 'plymouth message --text"..."', do i need to drop quiet from the cmdline ? | 12:50 |
| * ogra wonders how mountall enforces that | 12:50 | |
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| apw | can someone remind me the magic command which one uses in a 'packaging only' bzr branch to make it packageable as a source package | 13:08 |
| * apw goes quietly mad trying to remember | 13:08 | |
| pitti | seb128, cjwatson: FYI, opened bug 728424 to track this, and sent a bug to Debian as well (will link once ack comes in) | 13:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 728424 in dpkg-repack (Ubuntu Natty) "Drop dpkg-dev dependency" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728424 | 13:08 |
| cjwatson | pitti: thanks | 13:08 |
| pitti | I can upload this after a3 if you want me to | 13:08 |
| cjwatson | apw: bzr bd -S | 13:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 13:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, it doesn't seem to be any hurry there, maybe wait for debian to comment | 13:09 |
| apw | cjwatson, thanks ... no wonder i didn't remember | 13:09 |
| cjwatson | I think it would be OK to go ahead, but either way | 13:09 |
| pitti | seb128: it's a simple change, I'd like to do it to see where we are space-wise | 13:09 |
| cjwatson | apw: you should be able to use that (or a variation) for any source package in bzr, packaging-only or not | 13:10 |
| cjwatson | if that helps | 13:10 |
| apw | cjwatson, nice | 13:12 |
| seb128 | pitti, seems safe enough to just upload as well yeah | 13:12 |
| cjwatson | jhunt: hm, are all those upstart changes in the technical overview actually in alpha-3? I think perhaps it would be worth commenting out ones like visualisation which aren't, for now | 13:35 |
| janimo | fta, is there an easy way to build selected third-party modules under the chromium tree? | 13:39 |
| janimo | without having the whole package built once | 13:40 |
| janimo | I can probably look at the build log and copy paste the config/make equivalent bits but am wondering if the debian rules file provides some help in this regard | 13:40 |
| jhunt | cjwatson: do you know the magic to comment out chunks? I could just remove the vis sections until next week I guess. | 13:46 |
| cjwatson | jhunt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnProcessingInstructions has it | 13:47 |
| cjwatson | (and other useful stuff) | 13:47 |
| cjwatson | (the root of that is HelpOnEditing) | 13:47 |
| ricotz | pitti, hello, i think gobject-introspection could be synced from experimental http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gobject-introspection/news/20110228T205151Z.html | 13:48 |
| jhunt | cjwatson: thx! I'd tried 3 other MoinMoin comment techniques, but they either didn't do what I wanted, or broke the parser horribly :) | 13:49 |
| jhunt | grr - am I the only one seeing lots of server errors when editing pages on wiki.ubuntu.com? | 13:51 |
| cjwatson | jhunt: no, it's common unfortunately; however, it's usually on redisplay *after* your changes have been committed, IME | 13:56 |
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| jhunt | cjwatson: yes, I'd noticed that after attempting to re-apply changes and getting conflicts :) | 13:57 |
| ari-tczew | does anybody know when Robert is sponsoring today? | 14:08 |
| pitti | ari-tczew: Robert Ancell? He's currently off for some days | 14:09 |
| ari-tczew | pitti: I thought today is his piloting... | 14:12 |
| ari-tczew | pitti: https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=6k1e5rq45m1bdqq0n1ge3oqaok@group.calendar.google.com&ctz=Europe/Berlin&gsessionid=OK | 14:14 |
| fta | janimo, not really, depends on which modules, some are buildable independently, like v8 and nacl. what do you have in mind? | 14:14 |
| pitti | ari-tczew: yes, it wasn't a planned absence | 14:17 |
| janimo | fta, never mind I managed to get a build | 14:18 |
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| janimo | ffmpeg. I am looking into the arm ftbfs | 14:18 |
| fta | janimo, i know the problem and the fix, it's my fault | 14:18 |
| fta | janimo, when i merged the codecs into the browser source package, i dropped a flag (arm_neon=0) inadvertently | 14:20 |
| ari-tczew | pitti: OK, thanks for info, | 14:20 |
| janimo | fta ah ok | 14:20 |
| janimo | fta also why is armv7=0 ? | 14:20 |
| fta | janimo, i will re-add it soon, but i need to check something else too | 14:20 |
| janimo | was that too dropped? | 14:21 |
| ogra | just dont set arm_neon=1 :) | 14:21 |
| ogra | unless there is runtime detection in the code | 14:21 |
| fta | exactly, that armv7=0 is troubling, it's enabled in the codecs and desabled in the browser, or the opposite, that's wrong | 14:21 |
| janimo | I saw armv7=0 is set in debian/rules | 14:21 |
| janimo | but if you are on it ok, I'll live it :) | 14:22 |
| fta | yeah, i'm on it, but more generally, as i said in my blog post yesterday, i suck at supporting arm, by lack of h/w | 14:22 |
| fta | can't build, can't test | 14:23 |
| fta | there's a problem with the PIE hardening on arm leading to a crash, i can't investigate | 14:24 |
| fta | so i disabled it :( | 14:24 |
| janimo | fta, do you want me to enable hardening (is this the PIE part then?) and see what happens? | 14:26 |
| fta | janimo, it was enabled for a while, but someone reported a crash. see bug 716703 | 14:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 716703 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu Natty) "chromium-browser not built PIE on ARM" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/716703 | 14:28 |
| didrocks | pitti: needs your lights right now, got a few minutes? | 14:32 |
| pitti | didrocks: my lights? | 14:33 |
| pitti | didrocks: in a bit, need to finish the alpha-3 images | 14:33 |
| didrocks | ok, that's not translatable :) | 14:33 |
| didrocks | pitti: sure | 14:33 |
| didrocks | pitti: then, can you join #ubuntu-touch? | 14:33 |
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| sconklin | pitti: lucid ec2 and meta-ec2 may be copied from the PPEA to -proposed when you have time, thanks | 14:41 |
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| mvo | ev: re bug 722758 (debconf db locked in apt-clone). I like the idea of clong the debconf db, I will add code for that and (for savety) chroot into the targetdir when invoking dpkg - does that sound reaonsonable? | 14:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 722758 in openjdk-6 (Ubuntu) "package openjdk-6-jre-headless 6b20-1.9.5-0ubuntu1~9.10.1 failed to install/upgrade: problemas de dependência - deixando desconfigurado" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/722758 | 14:46 |
| ev | mvo: it does | 14:53 |
| ev | the installer does employ debconf-copydb at the end, but only for questions that wouldn't impact packages pulled in by apt-clone, if I remember correctly | 14:54 |
| ev | well, console-setup, but we'd want to overwrite that anyway. | 14:55 |
| cjwatson | SpamapS: do you want to deal with the SRUs for bug 531912? | 15:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 531912 in openssh (Ubuntu Maverick) "/etc/init.d/ssh seems to work, but actually upstart is used." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531912 | 15:00 |
| cjwatson | SpamapS: (and sorry for the long review delay) | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | SpamapS: note that I applied a few tweaks on top of your merge, so you'd want to backport from lp:ubuntu/openssh | 15:03 |
| janimo | fta, the chormium rules file were much easier to read and modify if those nested ifdefs were indented :) | 15:05 |
| janimo | less chance to make mistakes too I guess | 15:05 |
| fta | janimo, well, Makefiles and indentations.. | 15:07 |
| psusi | cjwatson: got any hints on how I could try to debug that partman-auto reuse script problem? like maybe running the scripts outside of ubiquity maybe with set -x? | 15:08 |
| cjwatson | psusi: bug#? | 15:11 |
| cjwatson | psusi: don't bother trying to run them outside of ubiquity | 15:11 |
| cjwatson | you will waste your time and get confused :) | 15:11 |
| psusi | cjwatson: bug #725408 | 15:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 725408 in partman-auto (Ubuntu) "installer hangs detecting existing partitions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/725408 | 15:15 |
| cjwatson | psusi: please attach the syslog and partman logs to the bug | 15:16 |
| cjwatson | I can normally analyse from there | 15:16 |
| psusi | will do.. any others? | 15:16 |
| cjwatson | no | 15:16 |
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| SpamapS | cjwatson: ack .. I will look at doing the SRU very soon.. don't want to commit just yet though. | 15:34 |
| cjwatson | SpamapS: np, thank you! | 15:35 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 4 starting in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom | 15:36 |
| dholbach | chrisccoulson, micahg, how hard is it to fix thunderbird's click-on-a-link problem? | 15:39 |
| chrisccoulson | dholbach, hard | 15:39 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm going to work on it, but it's going to be a non-trivial patch | 15:39 |
| chrisccoulson | it's basically: | 15:39 |
| chrisccoulson | 1) Add gio support to mozilla-1.9.2 | 15:39 |
| chrisccoulson | 2) Wire it in :) | 15:40 |
| dholbach | just put a "os.system('gnome-open %s' % link)" in there ;-P | 15:40 |
| dholbach | chrisccoulson, and that's something nobody upstream is interested in? | 15:40 |
| seb128 | dholbach: will teach you to not sure what we ship with ubuntu ;-) | 15:40 |
| mr_pouit | s/gnome-open/xdg-open/ at least | 15:40 |
| chrisccoulson | i've been talking to upstream about it, it's not the sort of thing that's ever going to get fixed upstream in thunderbird 3.1 | 15:40 |
| chrisccoulson | but we will fix it in comm-central and then carry a distro-patch | 15:40 |
| chrisccoulson | comm-central already has gio support though | 15:41 |
| chrisccoulson | comm-1.9.2 doesn't ;) | 15:41 |
| dholbach | mr_pouit, I was not really serious, but thanks for reminding me of xdg-open :) | 15:41 |
| chrisccoulson | i don't think the thunderbird guys are particularly pleased with things being broken like this | 15:41 |
| chrisccoulson | i will work on it next week, but i suspect it will be quite a substantial distro-patch to fix it | 15:42 |
| cjwatson | dholbach: subprocess.call(['gnome-open', link]) please ;-) | 15:42 |
| cjwatson | or in fact, probably webbrowser.open(link) ... | 15:42 |
| dholbach | ok ok ok ok, I better shut up before I make it worse | 15:43 |
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| chrisccoulson | lol | 15:43 |
| cjwatson | heh | 15:43 |
| chrisccoulson | dholbach, it's also semi-broken in firefox too | 15:43 |
| chrisccoulson | but not as bad | 15:43 |
| ogra | pitti, are there any known issues with the WI tracker atm ? | 15:46 |
| pitti | ogra: not known to me, anyway | 15:47 |
| ogra | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-arm-n-handle-core-boot-files-update doesnt show up for ubuntu-armel at all | 15:47 |
| chrisccoulson | dholbach, have you seen https://mozillalabs.com/messaging/messaging-menu/ btw? | 15:47 |
| chrisccoulson | you might be interested, as a tbird user ;) | 15:47 |
| seb128 | we should stop shipping emails client and use web emails | 15:47 |
| chrisccoulson | heh | 15:48 |
| chrisccoulson | we should stop shipping everything, and just provide a console for users to install software with ;) | 15:48 |
| nigelb | hehe | 15:48 |
| nigelb | then we'd have big troll wars over whether emacs or vim is the default editor :P | 15:49 |
| dholbach | chrisccoulson, awesome | 15:49 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 15:49 |
| chrisccoulson | it's nice they're using launchpad too :) | 15:49 |
| dholbach | it's not packaged yet? | 15:49 |
| chrisccoulson | dholbach, it's not packaged yet. i'll probably do that soon though | 15:52 |
| dholbach | nice | 15:53 |
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| pitti | ogra: there are no work item s:) | 16:07 |
| pitti | ogra: I'm removing the empty line now, which will fix it | 16:07 |
| pitti | ... some more green on your charts now | 16:07 |
| ogra | hmm, it doesnt look any different than the other specs we have | 16:07 |
| pitti | ogra: there was an empty line after "work items:', which finishes the WI paragraph | 16:08 |
| ogra | oh | 16:08 |
| ogra | yeah | 16:08 |
| ogra | heh | 16:08 |
| ogra | thats why i didnt get error mail either then | 16:08 |
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| pitti | a3 freeze lifted, go wild | 16:11 |
| jelmer | broder: thanks for sponsoring, much appreciated! :) | 16:27 |
| broder | jelmer: no problem. thanks for putting the patch together | 16:27 |
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| pitti | wow -changes@ is fun again :) | 16:42 |
| pitti | sconklin: linux-ec2 lucid copied | 16:51 |
| sconklin | pitti: thank you! | 16:51 |
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| ev | mvo: any preference on what the software center screenshot in the installer slideshow should show? The design team intern is updating them. | 17:01 |
| ev | how rude of me, Rollo, the intern for the design team. | 17:01 |
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| mvo | ev: I have no preferences here | 17:04 |
| ev | okay | 17:04 |
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| bjf | pitti, at your convenience, could the linux-firmware packages for lucid and maverick get promoted from -proposed to -updates ? | 17:40 |
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| eitch0000 | hello everyone. I'm trying to cross compile iperf from source. I'm on an amd64 machine and want to compile it for a i386 machine. Can someone help me with the ./configure script? | 17:49 |
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| Daviey | Is an AA available to process SRU -proposed -> -updates for bug #717397... the duplicate reports are starting to build :( | 19:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 717397 in squid-deb-proxy (Ubuntu Lucid) "package squid 2.7.STABLE7-1ubuntu12.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/717397 | 19:57 |
| fisch246 | besides #ubuntu-bugs is there room for bite size bugs? or any other form of bug fixing? | 20:24 |
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| fisch246 | hm... that question might be considered support i suppose... | 20:26 |
| fisch246 | nvm got my question answered :D | 20:28 |
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| ari-tczew | Daviey: please be patient, pitti regularry takes care about SRUs | 20:37 |
| micahg | ari-tczew: if lots of people are affected, it's appropriate to attempt to escalate something | 20:38 |
| chrisccoulson | is someone available to approve firefox-globalmenu in NEW? :) | 20:38 |
| chrisccoulson | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/4.0~b12+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 | 20:38 |
| chrisccoulson | perrrrrlease :) | 20:38 |
| ari-tczew | micahg: is there any problem with SRUs? maybe I'm not up-to-date | 20:38 |
| micahg | ari-tczew: normally not, but he said additional reports were coming in which could mean a need to push things out faster | 20:40 |
| ari-tczew | micahg: ah, so urgent is high | 20:44 |
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| ari-tczew | how can I check which lib is needed for Objectpath::toString() ? | 20:46 |
| Daviey | ari-tczew, see the duplicate count :) | 21:29 |
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| ari-tczew | Daviey: duplicate count? | 21:39 |
| notch | in some changelog files i see "Automated backport upload; no source changes". What is the tool used for this? | 21:42 |
| ari-tczew | notch: backportpackage | 21:48 |
| notch | ari-tczew: thx | 21:49 |
| ari-tczew | np | 21:49 |
| micahg | ari-tczew: no, it's an AA script that currently does this for official backports, backportpackage is different | 21:50 |
| micahg | one can use backportpackage to do something similar for oneself | 21:51 |
| Daviey | ari-tczew, For the SRU bug i quoted, how many bugs have been marked duplicate. | 21:51 |
| ari-tczew | Daviey: then poke pitti tomorrow | 21:54 |
| ari-tczew | ;) | 21:54 |
| ari-tczew | micahg: I know. | 21:54 |
| TheMuso | @pilot in | 22:30 |
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| jderose | Question: in theory the Python Gobject Introspection bindings should work with traditional bindings, shouldn't they? They used to, but as of updated today `gi.repository.WebKit` isn't playing nice with plain ol `gtk` anymore... suggestions? | 23:42 |
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