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NCommander | #startmeeting | 14:59 |
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MootBot | Meeting started at 08:59. The chair is NCommander. | 14:59 |
MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 14:59 |
* rsalveti waves | 14:59 | |
ogra | foopl | 15:00 |
NCommander | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110303 | 15:00 |
MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110303 | 15:00 |
NCommander | who's here? | 15:00 |
NCommander | There are no standing action items | 15:01 |
NCommander | [topic] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html | 15:01 |
MootBot | New Topic: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html | 15:01 |
janimo | hellp | 15:01 |
NCommander | ptopic] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-3.html | 15:01 |
rsalveti | help or hello? :P | 15:02 |
ogra | lol | 15:02 |
janimo | hello for now | 15:02 |
janimo | it may beocme help later in the cycle ;) | 15:02 |
* ogra was wondering exactly the same | 15:02 | |
rsalveti | :-) | 15:02 |
GrueMaster | i'm not | 15:02 |
ogra | geez, the overall Wi status looks scary | 15:03 |
ogra | NCommander, the second link should be beta ;) | 15:03 |
* NCommander grumbles | 15:03 | |
GrueMaster | It will be next week. | 15:03 |
GrueMaster | This week is still Alpha 3. | 15:04 |
ogra | heh | 15:04 |
ogra | for some minutes | 15:04 |
NCommander | no beta page doesn't exist | 15:04 |
GrueMaster | And it's a good indicator of how we did. | 15:04 |
janimo | for some reason 5 of my WIs were eaten by the parser and I cannot figure out why | 15:04 |
ogra | http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-ubuntu-11.04-beta.html | 15:04 |
MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-ubuntu-11.04-beta.html | 15:04 |
ogra | nah | 15:05 |
NCommander | I forgot to update teh WI tracker to postpone his WIs due to spec redesign. that's fixed now | 15:05 |
rsalveti | janimo: haha, true: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/u/jani-natty-alpha-3.html | 15:05 |
ogra | looks broken | 15:05 |
NCommander | anyway, can I move on? | 15:05 |
NCommander | [topic] Unity 2D Status | 15:06 |
MootBot | New Topic: Unity 2D Status | 15:06 |
* ogra glares at http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ | 15:06 | |
ogra | janimo, so whats needed to get us the hedless image ? | 15:06 |
ogra | NCommander, no :P | 15:06 |
NCommander | ogra: I need to land janimo's branch | 15:07 |
GrueMaster | ogra: Can you save that for image status? | 15:07 |
ogra | (why do we have an 11.05) | 15:07 |
ogra | GrueMaster, still, there seems to be action needed to fix the WI tracker | 15:07 |
NCommander | ogra: probably for Linaro | 15:07 |
ogra | beta is broken completely | 15:07 |
NCommander | [action] ogra to fix WI tracker | 15:07 |
ogra | and there shouldnt be ubuntu-armel-11.05 | 15:07 |
MootBot | ACTION received: ogra to fix WI tracker | 15:07 |
GrueMaster | Beta hasn't started yet. | 15:07 |
ogra | doesnt matter for the tracker | 15:08 |
ogra | it just reports how the whiteboards are set | 15:08 |
ogra | date has no influence | 15:08 |
janimo | ogra, I don't know what else is needed, these build scripts are not well documented, let alone I am not working on the actual ones running the builds | 15:08 |
janimo | so I hope NCommander spots any irregularities | 15:08 |
ogra | action: everyone to check their WI status on the whiteboards that the right beta tag is set | 15:08 |
ogra | NCommander, ^^^ | 15:09 |
janimo | or we try and if there are errors we fix after A3 | 15:09 |
NCommander | I had gotten sidetracked by mono and then alpha 3 to land the headless branch | 15:09 |
ogra | i'll find out whats needed and we can do that offline | 15:09 |
janimo | NCommander, sure np | 15:09 |
NCommander | now can we get back on topic on Unity 2d Status?! | 15:09 |
ogra | NCommander, right, please do that with high prio now that you are done with mono (assuming you are) | 15:09 |
ogra | NCommander, if you would wait until getting an answer on the move request that would be easier | 15:10 |
NCommander | ogra: I'm not, and I don't have a local d-cd instance to test. You may be better off landing the code | 15:10 |
NCommander | ogra: I did wait, there wasn't a response either way. | 15:10 |
ogra | can everyone please move the remaining a3 items on theit blueprints | 15:10 |
ogra | *their | 15:11 |
janimo | can anyone see why this whiteboard is not parsed correctly? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-arm-n-handle-core-boot-files-update | 15:11 |
ogra | we have 11 open items there | 15:11 |
janimo | all those WIs are not showing up in the graphs | 15:11 |
ogra | lets do that off meeting, to me it looks fine | 15:12 |
ogra | NCommander, can you please add the above action | 15:13 |
NCommander | [topic] Unity 2D Status | 15:13 |
MootBot | New Topic: Unity 2D Status | 15:13 |
NCommander | [action] ogra + janimo to look at why WI don't appear on other-arm-n-handle-core-boot-files-update | 15:13 |
MootBot | ACTION received: ogra + janimo to look at why WI don't appear on other-arm-n-handle-core-boot-files-update | 15:13 |
* ogra shakes head | 15:13 | |
ogra | <ogra> action: everyone to check their WI status on the whiteboards that the right beta tag is set | 15:13 |
ogra | <ogra> NCommander, ^^ | 15:13 |
NCommander | grumble | 15:13 |
ogra | jani and i dont need an action for that | 15:13 |
NCommander | [action] everyone to check their WI status on the whiteboards that the right beta tag is set | 15:14 |
MootBot | ACTION received: everyone to check their WI status on the whiteboards that the right beta tag is set | 15:14 |
ogra | thanks | 15:14 |
ogra | move | 15:14 |
NCommander | ogra: I did | 15:14 |
ogra | premature again | 15:14 |
ogra | well | 15:14 |
ogra | it kind of works ... | 15:14 |
ogra | thats all status i have, many bugs open, upstream is working on them | 15:14 |
ogra | move | 15:14 |
NCommander | [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) | 15:15 |
MootBot | New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) | 15:15 |
ogra | very bad from what i grokked from the mail discussion | 15:15 |
rsalveti | for omap 3 one the master-next will get merged with 38-rc7 release | 15:15 |
ogra | seems .38 exploded with the last rebase | 15:15 |
rsalveti | now for omap 4 things are still bad | 15:15 |
rsalveti | the current blocker issue is the mmc crash | 15:15 |
rsalveti | as reported by cooloney | 15:15 |
ogra | didnt he also talk about build issues ? | 15:16 |
rsalveti | so this should be sorted this week, and probably merged at our ti-omap4-dev then | 15:16 |
ogra | or are these solved | 15:16 |
rsalveti | ogra: we got patches for that already | 15:16 |
ogra | ah, good | 15:16 |
ogra | seems i missed a mail | 15:16 |
ogra | or two | 15:16 |
rsalveti | but at least with current tests, it seems that it's kind of working well | 15:17 |
ogra | plan is to move to .38 as soon as these are solved | 15:17 |
rsalveti | yup | 15:17 |
ogra | which means also trhat we'll lose .35 | 15:17 |
rsalveti | it'll be merged at ti-omap4-dev, then we'll request more testing | 15:17 |
rsalveti | once it's ok, we'll pull as the default kernel for omap4 | 15:17 |
ogra | i was wondering if it would make sense to have an upload to canonical-arm-dev PPA | 15:17 |
ogra | of the final .35 branch | 15:17 |
ogra | so we have a fallback if .38 isnt usable at all during our work | 15:18 |
rsalveti | we could create a public ppa for it, if needed | 15:18 |
rsalveti | build at canonical-arm and then copy to the public one | 15:18 |
ogra | i just thought to make sure we dont get blocked by it | 15:18 |
ogra | seems to be not very rebase-safe to me atm | 15:18 |
ogra | so it might explode again next rebase | 15:18 |
GrueMaster | Well, if we are testing it on the side before making it default, we should catch most issues. | 15:19 |
rsalveti | well, at least 38 is almost final already | 15:19 |
rsalveti | GrueMaster: sure | 15:19 |
ogra | right, mainline is | 15:19 |
ogra | but the patches still look shaky | 15:19 |
rsalveti | and will be for a while | 15:19 |
ogra | right | 15:19 |
rsalveti | we just need to test before pushing | 15:19 |
rsalveti | then we should be ok | 15:19 |
rsalveti | GrueMaster can be our go/no-go | 15:19 |
GrueMaster | yep | 15:20 |
ogra | i dont want to overload him though ;) | 15:20 |
ogra | he is busy enough | 15:20 |
rsalveti | not a lot to test | 15:20 |
ogra | k | 15:20 |
ogra | then lets drop the PPA idea | 15:20 |
rsalveti | I don't expect a kernel update more than once a week | 15:20 |
NCommander | can I move on? | 15:20 |
GrueMaster | ogra: What say I make the call of how busy I am? | 15:20 |
rsalveti | any other question? | 15:20 |
ogra | you typed yep when i was still typing :) | 15:20 |
NCommander | QA Status (GrueMaster) | 15:21 |
NCommander | bah | 15:21 |
NCommander | paste failure | 15:21 |
NCommander | can I move on? | 15:21 |
rsalveti | you're having serious problems with your paste | 15:21 |
ogra | jep | 15:21 |
NCommander | [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) | 15:21 |
MootBot | New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) | 15:21 |
NCommander | rsalveti: I've been thold this is proper behavior | 15:21 |
rsalveti | hehe, then you're the issue | 15:21 |
ogra | fix your palms ? | 15:21 |
GrueMaster | Alpha 3 testing was brutal (again). Made it through at the last minute. | 15:22 |
ogra | or your fingers :) | 15:22 |
ogra | GrueMaster, we werent the last ;) | 15:22 |
ogra | kubuntu was respun this morning | 15:22 |
rsalveti | and most important, we made it :-) | 15:22 |
ogra | yeah | 15:22 |
GrueMaster | It won't past muster. | 15:22 |
ogra | awesome job !!! | 15:22 |
ogra | GrueMaster, NCommander thanks for making it possible | 15:22 |
GrueMaster | I also spot tested kubuntu last night. It has more serious problems. | 15:22 |
ogra | rsalveti, and thanls for the right suggestion at the right moment ;) | 15:23 |
ogra | GrueMaster, kubuntu x86/amd64 was respun | 15:23 |
rsalveti | ogra: haha :-) | 15:23 |
GrueMaster | Oh. | 15:23 |
ogra | not armel | 15:23 |
GrueMaster | Well, armel was also respun by NCommander at my request. | 15:24 |
ogra | oh, twice ? | 15:24 |
ogra | i only saw 03 and no 03.1 when i tested | 15:24 |
GrueMaster | Thought it may be also hung up by the same issue. Turns out it has additional critical failure issues. | 15:24 |
GrueMaster | Timing. | 15:24 |
ogra | (or did you talk about kubuntu armel now) | 15:24 |
GrueMaster | Yes. | 15:25 |
ogra | ah, confusing :) | 15:25 |
GrueMaster | We announced we were respinning in #u-release. | 15:25 |
ogra | yeah | 15:25 |
ogra | i thought you talked about netbook | 15:25 |
ogra | (ubuntu) | 15:26 |
GrueMaster | It would be far easier to understand what I was talking about if there were less interuptions. I haven't stopped talking about kubuntu. | 15:26 |
GrueMaster | At any rate, I have nothing constructive to add further. | 15:27 |
GrueMaster | NCommander: move on, please. | 15:27 |
NCommander | [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) | 15:28 |
MootBot | New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) | 15:28 |
NCommander | nothing new to report expect livecd-rootfs got a lobotomy to get a3 images out | 15:28 |
janimo | getting better | 15:28 |
NCommander | mono work still pending a3 release | 15:28 |
NCommander | janimo: got anything else or can I move? | 15:29 |
rsalveti | it should appear more gl/gles related bugs, now that more packages get updated | 15:29 |
janimo | move | 15:29 |
NCommander | [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | 15:29 |
rsalveti | for wrong usage or lack of proper detection | 15:29 |
MootBot | New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | 15:29 |
ogra | A3 released | 15:29 |
NCommander | We made A3. livecd-rootfs got a nasty hack due to webkit sucking | 15:29 |
ogra | nothing else to report for existing images | 15:29 |
ogra | NCommander, do you need any help with janis changes ? | 15:29 |
rsalveti | I'm building webkit with gcc-4.4 to see if it could be related with the toolchain | 15:30 |
NCommander | ogra: feel free to grab them and run with ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | 15:30 |
NCommander | them | 15:30 |
NCommander | %$#W@!!~ | 15:30 |
rsalveti | but webkit in general is completely broken | 15:30 |
NCommander | what I need is to take Xorg apart | 15:30 |
rsalveti | and gcc can't help on it | 15:30 |
ogra | so its an internal webik error ? | 15:30 |
ogra | thats bad | 15:30 |
ogra | especially if we cant blame the toolchain | 15:30 |
rsalveti | yup, we'll see | 15:31 |
janimo | rsalveti, , I saw PPA builds of webkit failed | 15:31 |
NCommander | rsalveti: I recommend you prepare the approicate sacarifies to the debugging gods | 15:31 |
rsalveti | janimo: that's fine, armel is still building | 15:31 |
rsalveti | I forgot that the ppa also builds for other arches | 15:31 |
ogra | yeah, who cares about exotic arches like x86 anyway | 15:31 |
rsalveti | yup :-) | 15:31 |
GrueMaster | I do when the build failures start spamming me. | 15:31 |
rsalveti | sorry about that :-) | 15:32 |
NCommander | we should have some sorta nice porting team to assign bugs to when x86 breaks since hardware is so scare :-) | 15:32 |
ogra | procmail ftw ;) | 15:32 |
ogra | NCommander, good idea ! propose that to davidm | 15:32 |
ogra | ;) | 15:32 |
ogra | so he can bring it up to the managers | 15:32 |
NCommander | [action] NCommander to draft and formalize x86 porting team proposal | 15:33 |
MootBot | ACTION received: NCommander to draft and formalize x86 porting team proposal | 15:33 |
* ogra has nothing else | 15:33 | |
NCommander | */silly off* | 15:33 |
NCommander | [topic] AOB | 15:33 |
MootBot | New Topic: AOB | 15:33 |
ogra | i held a talk at UDD ... | 15:34 |
ogra | got some nice positive feedback and actually the hour was filled with questions (i only talked for 10min or so) | 15:34 |
ogra | seems there is good community interest in arm | 15:35 |
ogra | .. | 15:35 |
ogra | err UDW, sorry | 15:35 |
NCommander | ogra: watch your TLAs :-) | 15:35 |
* janimo waits for Daniel to post the daily summary links and I'll check out the transcript | 15:35 | |
ogra | heh | 15:35 |
rsalveti | yeah, saw that, quite nice we had so many people interested on it | 15:35 |
NCommander | I'm probably going to be out the rest of the morning and possibly early afternoon | 15:36 |
NCommander | I got a grand total of 45 minutes of sleep | 15:36 |
NCommander | >.<; | 15:36 |
ogra | yeah, get some lseep | 15:36 |
janimo | lslepp | 15:36 |
NCommander | plan on it | 15:36 |
janimo | as in long sleep | 15:36 |
ogra | you well earned a break ;) | 15:36 |
NCommander | anyway | 15:36 |
NCommander | Anyting else | 15:36 |
NCommander | else | 15:36 |
NCommander | closingin the meeting in 5 | 15:36 |
janimo | calendar is helpful, just got an email reminding me of this meeting | 15:36 |
ogra | nope | 15:36 |
NCommander | 4 | 15:36 |
NCommander | 3 | 15:36 |
NCommander | 2 | 15:36 |
NCommander | 1 | 15:37 |
ogra | janimo, fix your timezone ;) | 15:37 |
NCommander | @endmeeting | 15:37 |
NCommander | #endmeeting | 15:37 |
MootBot | Meeting finished at 09:37. | 15:37 |
janimo | ogra, it is gmail actually | 15:37 |
ogra | fix your TZ setting there | 15:37 |
janimo | no timezonme settings are off by 30 minutes :) | 15:37 |
ogra | ah | 15:37 |
ogra | heh | 15:37 |
ogra | thats what you get living in the middle of a TZ | 15:37 |
NCommander | janimo: actually .. | 15:37 |
NCommander | India is off by 30 minutes | 15:37 |
ogra | it just tries to be precise | 15:38 |
janimo | well yes, and a few other regions in wide countries | 15:38 |
janimo | but not around here | 15:38 |
soren | there's a city somewhere that's off by 20 minutes, iirc. | 15:38 |
NCommander | anyway | 15:38 |
NCommander | I'm gone | 15:38 |
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charlie-tca | anyone here for the Xubuntu meeting? | 19:01 |
Unit193 | Yeah | 19:01 |
mr_pouit | o/ | 19:01 |
charlie-tca | #startmeeting | 19:01 |
MootBot | Meeting started at 13:01. The chair is charlie-tca. | 19:02 |
MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 19:02 |
charlie-tca | If I go away, just keep going | 19:02 |
highvoltage | good afternoon charlie-tca | 19:02 |
charlie-tca | Welcome to the weekly Xubuntu Community Meeting | 19:02 |
charlie-tca | Hello, highvoltage | 19:02 |
charlie-tca | The full meeting agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 19:02 |
charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Old business | 19:02 |
MootBot | New Topic: Old business | 19:02 |
charlie-tca | Xubuntu marketing plans | 19:03 |
charlie-tca | any word on these yet? | 19:03 |
charlie-tca | ochosi and knome will put together some logo designs to be discussed as the menu icon | 19:04 |
charlie-tca | running out of time for this, aren't we, mr_pouit | 19:04 |
charlie-tca | we need someone to update the slideshows displayed during the installation, they are badly outdated (they were made for karmic or lucid) | 19:04 |
BillyBob | i have a small opinion to make; xubuntu is trying to fit into the same niche as ubuntu, maybe we need to find a different one? | 19:04 |
charlie-tca | I think we can close this one, knome and ochosi got a start on it | 19:05 |
mr_pouit | we have 3 weeks before UI freezen so it might be ok | 19:05 |
mr_pouit | *freeze | 19:05 |
charlie-tca | Thanks, mr_pouit | 19:05 |
BillyBob | i could do that if u want | 19:05 |
charlie-tca | BillyBob: that would fit better in "Any other business" | 19:05 |
charlie-tca | do which one? | 19:05 |
BillyBob | soz, first time | 19:05 |
charlie-tca | marketing plans? | 19:06 |
beardygnome | hi all, stuck at work, so I'm going to have to skip this meeting. will catch up on the minutes when they are published. | 19:07 |
charlie-tca | Thanks for letting us know, beardygnome | 19:07 |
charlie-tca | BillyBob: which one do you think you could help with? | 19:07 |
charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Team updates | 19:08 |
MootBot | New Topic: Team updates | 19:08 |
BillyBob | charlie-tca: the slideshow, and i think my mate and i could get it onto the website too | 19:08 |
charlie-tca | Slideshow should be about done now. I believe ochosi is going to supply some new snapshots of the greybird theme to finish it up | 19:09 |
charlie-tca | But, by all mean, talk to knome or ochosi about it and see if they can use some help? | 19:09 |
BillyBob | OK, have you got someone to put it on website? we could do that | 19:10 |
beardygnome | charlie-tca: np | 19:10 |
charlie-tca | The website is being redone in wordpress, I think that is part of the reworking. | 19:10 |
charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Packaging & Development | 19:11 |
MootBot | New Topic: Packaging & Development | 19:11 |
charlie-tca | mr_pouit: updates? | 19:11 |
mr_pouit | Nothing much this week, it was rather calm because of the alpha freeze | 19:11 |
mr_pouit | * Updated xubuntu-default-settings/xubuntu-meta for the changes decided last meeting. | 19:11 |
mr_pouit | * Fixed xfce4-indicator-plugin to support changing volume on scroll events with indicator-sound. | 19:11 |
mr_pouit | * Uploaded update-manager patch from last week (Bug #530161). | 19:11 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 530161 in update-manager "Restart is not supported if not using gnome session manager (affects XFCE & LXDE)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530161 | 19:11 |
mr_pouit | That's all. | 19:12 |
charlie-tca | Calm is good for a change | 19:12 |
charlie-tca | I saw an indicator-sound-??? crash a few times in testing, was that the one abouve? | 19:12 |
mr_pouit | yeah, it's this indicator in the panel | 19:13 |
charlie-tca | Great! | 19:13 |
charlie-tca | the other one causing concern was the update-manager crashing on first update after installing. | 19:13 |
charlie-tca | that is being looked at by Ubuntu devs | 19:13 |
charlie-tca | Any questions for mr_pouit ? | 19:14 |
charlie-tca | Thank you, mr_pouit. Your work is greatly appreciated! | 19:14 |
charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing | 19:14 |
MootBot | New Topic: Bug Triage & Testing | 19:14 |
charlie-tca | Not much on bugs this week, but we did test the ISO images for Natty Alpha3. | 19:15 |
charlie-tca | Testing went pretty good this time around, however, wubi is broken | 19:15 |
charlie-tca | Any questions? | 19:15 |
charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Website & Marketing | 19:16 |
MootBot | New Topic: Website & Marketing | 19:16 |
charlie-tca | Any updates from knome or pleia2 ? | 19:16 |
charlie-tca | hm, it is a bad day for freenode today. | 19:17 |
charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Artwork | 19:17 |
MootBot | New Topic: Artwork | 19:17 |
BillyBob | are you at all interested in photographs for some desktop wallpapers? | 19:18 |
charlie-tca | The new themes and layouts are now in alpha3. Greybird is a really neat theme! | 19:18 |
* mvo has fixed the u-m issue in bzr | 19:19 | |
charlie-tca | yes, they can be submitted, but all the wallpaper will be submitted through the community artwork project at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0007_Xubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper | 19:20 |
BillyBob | photos? | 19:20 |
BillyBob | right, i'll upload them then | 19:20 |
charlie-tca | photos will be considered, as they as they meet the specs | 19:20 |
charlie-tca | The upload site is http://www.flickr.com/groups/uawt-7/ | 19:20 |
charlie-tca | thank you, mvo | 19:21 |
charlie-tca | any other questions on artwork? | 19:21 |
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charlie-tca | I see ochosi made it, any news on | 19:21 |
charlie-tca | # ochosi and knome will put together some logo designs to be discussed as the menu icon | 19:21 |
ochosi | yeah, sry, didn't make it with the menu icon | 19:22 |
ochosi | was busy with other stuff | 19:22 |
ochosi | xfwm4 theme is finished | 19:22 |
ochosi | so basically the greybird theme is pretty final | 19:22 |
charlie-tca | Okay, we got about three weeks to freeze | 19:22 |
charlie-tca | the greybird theme is fantastic! | 19:22 |
ochosi | so with greybird we're basically in a bugfix phase | 19:22 |
charlie-tca | Next week we should be reviewing wallpapers | 19:22 |
ochosi | yeah, feedback is pretty good | 19:22 |
ochosi | mhm | 19:23 |
ochosi | maybe discuss them a bit before the meeting even | 19:23 |
charlie-tca | sure. | 19:23 |
ochosi | knome and me did a new gmusicbrowser icon for xubuntu | 19:23 |
ochosi | it's pretty nice :) | 19:23 |
* ochosi digs up the link | 19:23 | |
charlie-tca | Is it the one in the alpha3? | 19:23 |
ochosi | no, up to now it was monochrome | 19:24 |
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ochosi | which was problematic | 19:24 |
ochosi | you can see it here: https://github.com/shimmerproject/gmusicbrowser/blob/master/pix/gmusicbrowser.png | 19:24 |
ochosi | i guess that's about it from my side | 19:25 |
charlie-tca | WoW! I like that one a lot | 19:25 |
ochosi | (the new icon also created good feedback by the way) | 19:25 |
ochosi | thanks :) | 19:25 |
charlie-tca | that does give a real nice idea of what the app does | 19:25 |
ochosi | it's designed to be kinda generic, so it would give a good idea of the function | 19:25 |
ochosi | exactly | 19:25 |
charlie-tca | Anything for artwork? | 19:26 |
ochosi | nope, i'm done ) | 19:26 |
charlie-tca | else, that is? | 19:26 |
charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Announcements | 19:26 |
MootBot | New Topic: Announcements | 19:26 |
ochosi | sry, g2g again | 19:26 |
charlie-tca | Natty Narwhal Alpha3 released today! | 19:26 |
charlie-tca | Thanks, ochosi | 19:27 |
ochosi | i'll read the log :) | 19:27 |
ochosi | np | 19:27 |
ochosi | -> | 19:27 |
charlie-tca | Glad for your input | 19:27 |
charlie-tca | [TOPIC] Any Other Business | 19:27 |
MootBot | New Topic: Any Other Business | 19:27 |
micahg | did we get gmusicbrowser in the seed for alpha3 | 19:27 |
micahg | or are we waiting on the new artwork? | 19:28 |
charlie-tca | Next meeting is on March 10, same place, 19:00 UTC | 19:28 |
charlie-tca | micahg: as far as I know, it is there | 19:28 |
charlie-tca | I know it was on the panel, and started with the launcher | 19:28 |
charlie-tca | This was brought up earlier, and deserves an answer: | 19:29 |
charlie-tca | <BillyBob> i have a small opinion to make; xubuntu is trying to fit into the same niche as ubuntu, maybe we need to find a different one? | 19:29 |
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micahg | xubuntu is a lighter alternative to ubuntu, not lightest though | 19:30 |
charlie-tca | Ubuntu with Unity and Gnome has always been aimed at the the new user coming from windows | 19:30 |
charlie-tca | We have not aimed at the new user, intentionally. | 19:30 |
charlie-tca | We are looking more at the user with at least some experience | 19:30 |
BillyBob | OK, but xfce has almost the same configuration of programs (so far as i know) as GNOME, why change? | 19:31 |
charlie-tca | And, as micahg just stated, Xubuntu is a lighter alternative | 19:31 |
Sysi | we're hitting far from gnome3 and kde with xfce 4.8 | 19:31 |
charlie-tca | um, BillyBob, I think you should look again | 19:31 |
charlie-tca | no open office/libreoffice | 19:31 |
charlie-tca | no rythmbox/banshee | 19:31 |
charlie-tca | no unity/compiz | 19:31 |
Sysi | browser is same, shortly said | 19:32 |
micahg | yes, and lighter default apps | 19:32 |
BillyBob | OK, i'm just a noob i guess | 19:32 |
micahg | I think the only default shared with Ubuntu is Firefox | 19:32 |
BillyBob | but if there was like a killer reason to change, maybe more people would? | 19:32 |
charlie-tca | There are many differences, even though we do use some of the gnome applications | 19:32 |
Sysi | we could market xubuntu to old gnome users that don't like unity | 19:33 |
Sysi | natty-time | 19:33 |
charlie-tca | yes, that would be good, also to those experienced users who want more configurability | 19:33 |
charlie-tca | Many things can be changed in Xubuntu that are harder to change in Ubuntu | 19:34 |
BillyBob | maybe if we marketed with that, customisability? | 19:35 |
BillyBob | forgive me if u do | 19:35 |
charlie-tca | We need help with the marketing part of things | 19:35 |
BillyBob | have you thought about removing the rat from the logo, because rats are sneaky and annoying, and pests? | 19:36 |
maco | s/rat/mouse/ | 19:36 |
BillyBob | maco: what about a mouse? | 19:37 |
Sysi | it's xfce's mouse | 19:37 |
BillyBob | oh, a mouse! | 19:38 |
charlie-tca | BillyBob: here is the start to our Marketing plans - feel free to add to it | 19:38 |
charlie-tca | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing | 19:38 |
charlie-tca | The mouse is the Xfce logo | 19:38 |
charlie-tca | just as the footprint is the gnome logo | 19:38 |
BillyBob | but maybe we don't have to use it, the ubuntu logo doesn't have a foot | 19:39 |
charlie-tca | ideas accepted | 19:39 |
charlie-tca | Please add them to the marketing page | 19:40 |
PsynoKhi0 | ubuntu now has pretty much its own DE though :) | 19:40 |
PsynoKhi0 | well... own shell rather | 19:40 |
Unit193 | It's nice to have the minimize/maximize/close buttons on the top right | 19:40 |
charlie-tca | Yes, even though the underlying stuff is gnome, they are putting more and more of their own into Ubuntu | 19:40 |
charlie-tca | heh, gnome3 does away with minimize and maximize buttons | 19:41 |
BillyBob | mmm, true | 19:41 |
charlie-tca | Xubuntu gives the user the option to use the buttons or hide them all | 19:41 |
charlie-tca | There's that configurability again, huh? | 19:42 |
BillyBob | before i go, perhaps a freash new icon theme, like the 'breathe' one, the xfce one looks kinda old | 19:42 |
charlie-tca | too late for this cycle | 19:43 |
Sysi | discuss with knome about that :P | 19:43 |
charlie-tca | Anything else to discuss | 19:43 |
charlie-tca | knome does not run things, he can make suggestions too | 19:43 |
charlie-tca | the icons are there for Natty, already | 19:43 |
charlie-tca | going.... | 19:44 |
charlie-tca | going 2..... | 19:44 |
PsynoKhi0 | then again, having the ubuntu logo | 19:44 |
charlie-tca | Thanks for participating in this meeting! | 19:44 |
charlie-tca | huh? what "having the ubuntu logo"? | 19:44 |
charlie-tca | where is that? | 19:45 |
charlie-tca | Of course, we walk a fine line, being a separate distribution but officially supported by Ubuntu | 19:45 |
PsynoKhi0 | having the ubuntu logo instead of the xfce one would brand xubuntu as a distro with stronger tie with ubuntu, instead of strong tie with xfce | 19:45 |
charlie-tca | That would be a wrong suggestion. We really do have a strong tie with Xfce | 19:46 |
charlie-tca | since that is the desktop environment we use. | 19:46 |
charlie-tca | We could consider a logo that shows both, again, as we had in the past. | 19:47 |
PsynoKhi0 | was wondering where this one went :) | 19:47 |
charlie-tca | but we will not confuse the user by using the Ubuntu logo. That does designate Ubuntu, a different distribution. | 19:47 |
PsynoKhi0 | fair point | 19:47 |
charlie-tca | Development happens in #xubuntu-devel, support happens in #xubuntu | 19:48 |
Unit193 | How about the Ubuntu logo with the mouse in the middle? | 19:48 |
charlie-tca | um, it would be better to use a similar but different design then the Ubuntu logo. | 19:49 |
Sysi | getting complicated for small sizes | 19:49 |
charlie-tca | yeah, we tried to get the mouse in the wheel, it did not work well | 19:49 |
charlie-tca | WE need one that designates lightweight, tied to ubuntu, tied to Xfce, with great configurability! | 19:50 |
PsynoKhi0 | does it really have to show the entire logo? my only gripe about natty alpha is that the menu button is really small | 19:50 |
charlie-tca | a few designs to look at would be nice | 19:50 |
charlie-tca | We are trying to get some new designs drawn up | 19:51 |
charlie-tca | The fact that it is the logo does not mean it has to be tiny | 19:51 |
PsynoKhi0 | let me upload a pic real quick | 19:52 |
charlie-tca | better to do a couple of pictures, and give us a chance to see them. We will not make a decision today, anyway. | 19:53 |
PsynoKhi0 | kk | 19:53 |
charlie-tca | Hopefully, we will have logos to look at next week, right? | 19:53 |
charlie-tca | PsynoKhi0 and ochosi and maybe knome will get some together for us? | 19:54 |
PsynoKhi0 | can give it a try | 19:54 |
charlie-tca | PsynoKhi0: feel free to tell us in #xubuntu-devel any links to see a preview of it, okay? | 19:54 |
PsynoKhi0 | sure thing | 19:54 |
charlie-tca | I would like to end this meeting, if we can? | 19:54 |
charlie-tca | Thanks again for participating. It is great to see interest being generated! | 19:55 |
charlie-tca | #endmeeting | 19:55 |
MootBot | Meeting finished at 13:55. | 19:55 |
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Sysi | aww | 19:57 |
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