=== Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === noy_ is now known as noy === noy_ is now known as noy === head_v is now known as head_victim === ogra_ is now known as ogra === cking_ is now known as cking === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-lunch [14:59] #startmeeting [14:59] Meeting started at 08:59. The chair is NCommander. [14:59] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:59] * rsalveti waves [15:00] foopl [15:00] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110303 [15:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110303 [15:00] who's here? [15:01] There are no standing action items [15:01] [topic] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html [15:01] New Topic: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html [15:01] hellp [15:01] ptopic] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-natty-alpha-3.html [15:02] help or hello? :P [15:02] lol [15:02] hello for now [15:02] it may beocme help later in the cycle ;) [15:02] * ogra was wondering exactly the same [15:02] :-) [15:02] i'm not [15:03] geez, the overall Wi status looks scary [15:03] NCommander, the second link should be beta ;) [15:03] * NCommander grumbles [15:03] It will be next week. [15:04] This week is still Alpha 3. [15:04] heh [15:04] for some minutes [15:04] no beta page doesn't exist [15:04] And it's a good indicator of how we did. [15:04] for some reason 5 of my WIs were eaten by the parser and I cannot figure out why [15:04] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-ubuntu-11.04-beta.html [15:04] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-ubuntu-11.04-beta.html [15:05] nah [15:05] I forgot to update teh WI tracker to postpone his WIs due to spec redesign. that's fixed now [15:05] janimo: haha, true: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/u/jani-natty-alpha-3.html [15:05] looks broken [15:05] anyway, can I move on? [15:06] [topic] Unity 2D Status [15:06] New Topic: Unity 2D Status [15:06] * ogra glares at http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ [15:06] janimo, so whats needed to get us the hedless image ? [15:06] NCommander, no :P [15:07] ogra: I need to land janimo's branch [15:07] ogra: Can you save that for image status? [15:07] (why do we have an 11.05) [15:07] GrueMaster, still, there seems to be action needed to fix the WI tracker [15:07] ogra: probably for Linaro [15:07] beta is broken completely [15:07] [action] ogra to fix WI tracker [15:07] and there shouldnt be ubuntu-armel-11.05 [15:07] ACTION received: ogra to fix WI tracker [15:07] Beta hasn't started yet. [15:08] doesnt matter for the tracker [15:08] it just reports how the whiteboards are set [15:08] date has no influence [15:08] ogra, I don't know what else is needed, these build scripts are not well documented, let alone I am not working on the actual ones running the builds [15:08] so I hope NCommander spots any irregularities [15:08] action: everyone to check their WI status on the whiteboards that the right beta tag is set [15:09] NCommander, ^^^ [15:09] or we try and if there are errors we fix after A3 [15:09] I had gotten sidetracked by mono and then alpha 3 to land the headless branch [15:09] i'll find out whats needed and we can do that offline [15:09] NCommander, sure np [15:09] now can we get back on topic on Unity 2d Status?! [15:09] NCommander, right, please do that with high prio now that you are done with mono (assuming you are) [15:10] NCommander, if you would wait until getting an answer on the move request that would be easier [15:10] ogra: I'm not, and I don't have a local d-cd instance to test. You may be better off landing the code [15:10] ogra: I did wait, there wasn't a response either way. [15:10] can everyone please move the remaining a3 items on theit blueprints [15:11] *their [15:11] can anyone see why this whiteboard is not parsed correctly? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-arm-n-handle-core-boot-files-update [15:11] we have 11 open items there [15:11] all those WIs are not showing up in the graphs [15:12] lets do that off meeting, to me it looks fine [15:13] NCommander, can you please add the above action [15:13] [topic] Unity 2D Status [15:13] New Topic: Unity 2D Status [15:13] [action] ogra + janimo to look at why WI don't appear on other-arm-n-handle-core-boot-files-update [15:13] ACTION received: ogra + janimo to look at why WI don't appear on other-arm-n-handle-core-boot-files-update [15:13] * ogra shakes head [15:13] action: everyone to check their WI status on the whiteboards that the right beta tag is set [15:13] NCommander, ^^ [15:13] grumble [15:13] jani and i dont need an action for that [15:14] [action] everyone to check their WI status on the whiteboards that the right beta tag is set [15:14] ACTION received: everyone to check their WI status on the whiteboards that the right beta tag is set [15:14] thanks [15:14] move [15:14] ogra: I did [15:14] premature again [15:14] well [15:14] it kind of works ... [15:14] thats all status i have, many bugs open, upstream is working on them [15:14] move [15:15] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) [15:15] New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) [15:15] very bad from what i grokked from the mail discussion [15:15] for omap 3 one the master-next will get merged with 38-rc7 release [15:15] seems .38 exploded with the last rebase [15:15] now for omap 4 things are still bad [15:15] the current blocker issue is the mmc crash [15:15] as reported by cooloney [15:16] didnt he also talk about build issues ? [15:16] so this should be sorted this week, and probably merged at our ti-omap4-dev then [15:16] or are these solved [15:16] ogra: we got patches for that already [15:16] ah, good [15:16] seems i missed a mail [15:16] or two [15:17] but at least with current tests, it seems that it's kind of working well [15:17] plan is to move to .38 as soon as these are solved [15:17] yup [15:17] which means also trhat we'll lose .35 [15:17] it'll be merged at ti-omap4-dev, then we'll request more testing [15:17] once it's ok, we'll pull as the default kernel for omap4 [15:17] i was wondering if it would make sense to have an upload to canonical-arm-dev PPA [15:17] of the final .35 branch [15:18] so we have a fallback if .38 isnt usable at all during our work [15:18] we could create a public ppa for it, if needed [15:18] build at canonical-arm and then copy to the public one [15:18] i just thought to make sure we dont get blocked by it [15:18] seems to be not very rebase-safe to me atm [15:18] so it might explode again next rebase [15:19] Well, if we are testing it on the side before making it default, we should catch most issues. [15:19] well, at least 38 is almost final already [15:19] GrueMaster: sure [15:19] right, mainline is [15:19] but the patches still look shaky [15:19] and will be for a while [15:19] right [15:19] we just need to test before pushing [15:19] then we should be ok [15:19] GrueMaster can be our go/no-go [15:20] yep [15:20] i dont want to overload him though ;) [15:20] he is busy enough [15:20] not a lot to test [15:20] k [15:20] then lets drop the PPA idea [15:20] I don't expect a kernel update more than once a week [15:20] can I move on? [15:20] ogra: What say I make the call of how busy I am? [15:20] any other question? [15:20] you typed yep when i was still typing :) [15:21] QA Status (GrueMaster) [15:21] bah [15:21] paste failure [15:21] can I move on? [15:21] you're having serious problems with your paste [15:21] jep [15:21] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) [15:21] New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) [15:21] rsalveti: I've been thold this is proper behavior [15:21] hehe, then you're the issue [15:21] fix your palms ? [15:22] Alpha 3 testing was brutal (again). Made it through at the last minute. [15:22] or your fingers :) [15:22] GrueMaster, we werent the last ;) [15:22] kubuntu was respun this morning [15:22] and most important, we made it :-) [15:22] yeah [15:22] It won't past muster. [15:22] awesome job !!! [15:22] GrueMaster, NCommander thanks for making it possible [15:22] I also spot tested kubuntu last night. It has more serious problems. [15:23] rsalveti, and thanls for the right suggestion at the right moment ;) [15:23] GrueMaster, kubuntu x86/amd64 was respun [15:23] ogra: haha :-) [15:23] Oh. [15:23] not armel [15:24] Well, armel was also respun by NCommander at my request. [15:24] oh, twice ? [15:24] i only saw 03 and no 03.1 when i tested [15:24] Thought it may be also hung up by the same issue. Turns out it has additional critical failure issues. [15:24] Timing. [15:24] (or did you talk about kubuntu armel now) [15:25] Yes. [15:25] ah, confusing :) [15:25] We announced we were respinning in #u-release. [15:25] yeah [15:25] i thought you talked about netbook [15:26] (ubuntu) [15:26] It would be far easier to understand what I was talking about if there were less interuptions. I haven't stopped talking about kubuntu. [15:27] At any rate, I have nothing constructive to add further. [15:27] NCommander: move on, please. [15:28] [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:28] New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:28] nothing new to report expect livecd-rootfs got a lobotomy to get a3 images out [15:28] getting better [15:28] mono work still pending a3 release [15:29] janimo: got anything else or can I move? [15:29] it should appear more gl/gles related bugs, now that more packages get updated [15:29] move [15:29] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:29] for wrong usage or lack of proper detection [15:29] New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:29] A3 released [15:29] We made A3. livecd-rootfs got a nasty hack due to webkit sucking [15:29] nothing else to report for existing images [15:29] NCommander, do you need any help with janis changes ? [15:30] I'm building webkit with gcc-4.4 to see if it could be related with the toolchain [15:30] ogra: feel free to grab them and run with ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:30] them [15:30] %$#W@!!~ [15:30] but webkit in general is completely broken [15:30] what I need is to take Xorg apart [15:30] and gcc can't help on it [15:30] so its an internal webik error ? [15:30] thats bad [15:30] especially if we cant blame the toolchain [15:31] yup, we'll see [15:31] rsalveti, , I saw PPA builds of webkit failed [15:31] rsalveti: I recommend you prepare the approicate sacarifies to the debugging gods [15:31] janimo: that's fine, armel is still building [15:31] I forgot that the ppa also builds for other arches [15:31] yeah, who cares about exotic arches like x86 anyway [15:31] yup :-) [15:31] I do when the build failures start spamming me. [15:32] sorry about that :-) [15:32] we should have some sorta nice porting team to assign bugs to when x86 breaks since hardware is so scare :-) [15:32] procmail ftw ;) [15:32] NCommander, good idea ! propose that to davidm [15:32] ;) [15:32] so he can bring it up to the managers [15:33] [action] NCommander to draft and formalize x86 porting team proposal [15:33] ACTION received: NCommander to draft and formalize x86 porting team proposal [15:33] * ogra has nothing else [15:33] */silly off* [15:33] [topic] AOB [15:33] New Topic: AOB [15:34] i held a talk at UDD ... [15:34] got some nice positive feedback and actually the hour was filled with questions (i only talked for 10min or so) [15:35] seems there is good community interest in arm [15:35] .. [15:35] err UDW, sorry [15:35] ogra: watch your TLAs :-) [15:35] * janimo waits for Daniel to post the daily summary links and I'll check out the transcript [15:35] heh [15:35] yeah, saw that, quite nice we had so many people interested on it [15:36] I'm probably going to be out the rest of the morning and possibly early afternoon [15:36] I got a grand total of 45 minutes of sleep [15:36] >.<; [15:36] yeah, get some lseep [15:36] lslepp [15:36] plan on it [15:36] as in long sleep [15:36] you well earned a break ;) [15:36] anyway [15:36] Anyting else [15:36] else [15:36] closingin the meeting in 5 [15:36] calendar is helpful, just got an email reminding me of this meeting [15:36] nope [15:36] 4 [15:36] 3 [15:36] 2 [15:37] 1 [15:37] janimo, fix your timezone ;) [15:37] @endmeeting [15:37] #endmeeting [15:37] Meeting finished at 09:37. [15:37] ogra, it is gmail actually [15:37] fix your TZ setting there [15:37] no timezonme settings are off by 30 minutes :) [15:37] ah [15:37] heh [15:37] thats what you get living in the middle of a TZ [15:37] janimo: actually .. [15:37] India is off by 30 minutes [15:38] it just tries to be precise [15:38] well yes, and a few other regions in wide countries [15:38] but not around here [15:38] there's a city somewhere that's off by 20 minutes, iirc. [15:38] anyway [15:38] I'm gone === czajkows1i is now known as czajkowski === mdeslaur_ is now known as mdeslaur === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === debfx_ is now known as debfx === jussi01_ is now known as jussi === yofel_ is now known as yofel === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal === inetpro_ is now known as inetpro === JayFo is now known as JFo === AndrewMC is now known as Guest30896 === Guest30896 is now known as AndrewMC === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [19:01] anyone here for the Xubuntu meeting? [19:01] Yeah [19:01] o/ [19:01] #startmeeting [19:02] Meeting started at 13:01. The chair is charlie-tca. [19:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [19:02] If I go away, just keep going [19:02] good afternoon charlie-tca [19:02] Welcome to the weekly Xubuntu Community Meeting [19:02] Hello, highvoltage [19:02] The full meeting agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [19:02] [TOPIC] Old business [19:02] New Topic: Old business [19:03] Xubuntu marketing plans [19:03] any word on these yet? [19:04] ochosi and knome will put together some logo designs to be discussed as the menu icon [19:04] running out of time for this, aren't we, mr_pouit [19:04] we need someone to update the slideshows displayed during the installation, they are badly outdated (they were made for karmic or lucid) [19:04] i have a small opinion to make; xubuntu is trying to fit into the same niche as ubuntu, maybe we need to find a different one? [19:05] I think we can close this one, knome and ochosi got a start on it [19:05] we have 3 weeks before UI freezen so it might be ok [19:05] *freeze [19:05] Thanks, mr_pouit [19:05] i could do that if u want [19:05] BillyBob: that would fit better in "Any other business" [19:05] do which one? [19:05] soz, first time [19:06] marketing plans? [19:07] hi all, stuck at work, so I'm going to have to skip this meeting. will catch up on the minutes when they are published. [19:07] Thanks for letting us know, beardygnome [19:07] BillyBob: which one do you think you could help with? [19:08] [TOPIC] Team updates [19:08] New Topic: Team updates [19:08] charlie-tca: the slideshow, and i think my mate and i could get it onto the website too [19:09] Slideshow should be about done now. I believe ochosi is going to supply some new snapshots of the greybird theme to finish it up [19:09] But, by all mean, talk to knome or ochosi about it and see if they can use some help? [19:10] OK, have you got someone to put it on website? we could do that [19:10] charlie-tca: np [19:10] The website is being redone in wordpress, I think that is part of the reworking. [19:11] [TOPIC] Packaging & Development [19:11] New Topic: Packaging & Development [19:11] mr_pouit: updates? [19:11] Nothing much this week, it was rather calm because of the alpha freeze [19:11] * Updated xubuntu-default-settings/xubuntu-meta for the changes decided last meeting. [19:11] * Fixed xfce4-indicator-plugin to support changing volume on scroll events with indicator-sound. [19:11] * Uploaded update-manager patch from last week (Bug #530161). [19:11] Launchpad bug 530161 in update-manager "Restart is not supported if not using gnome session manager (affects XFCE & LXDE)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/530161 [19:12] That's all. [19:12] Calm is good for a change [19:12] I saw an indicator-sound-??? crash a few times in testing, was that the one abouve? [19:13] yeah, it's this indicator in the panel [19:13] Great! [19:13] the other one causing concern was the update-manager crashing on first update after installing. [19:13] that is being looked at by Ubuntu devs [19:14] Any questions for mr_pouit ? [19:14] Thank you, mr_pouit. Your work is greatly appreciated! [19:14] [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing [19:14] New Topic: Bug Triage & Testing [19:15] Not much on bugs this week, but we did test the ISO images for Natty Alpha3. [19:15] Testing went pretty good this time around, however, wubi is broken [19:15] Any questions? [19:16] [TOPIC] Website & Marketing [19:16] New Topic: Website & Marketing [19:16] Any updates from knome or pleia2 ? [19:17] hm, it is a bad day for freenode today. [19:17] [TOPIC] Artwork [19:17] New Topic: Artwork [19:18] are you at all interested in photographs for some desktop wallpapers? [19:18] The new themes and layouts are now in alpha3. Greybird is a really neat theme! [19:19] * mvo has fixed the u-m issue in bzr [19:20] yes, they can be submitted, but all the wallpaper will be submitted through the community artwork project at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0007_Xubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper [19:20] photos? [19:20] right, i'll upload them then [19:20] photos will be considered, as they as they meet the specs [19:20] The upload site is http://www.flickr.com/groups/uawt-7/ [19:21] thank you, mvo [19:21] any other questions on artwork? === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [19:21] I see ochosi made it, any news on [19:21] # ochosi and knome will put together some logo designs to be discussed as the menu icon [19:22] yeah, sry, didn't make it with the menu icon [19:22] was busy with other stuff [19:22] xfwm4 theme is finished [19:22] so basically the greybird theme is pretty final [19:22] Okay, we got about three weeks to freeze [19:22] the greybird theme is fantastic! [19:22] so with greybird we're basically in a bugfix phase [19:22] Next week we should be reviewing wallpapers [19:22] yeah, feedback is pretty good [19:23] mhm [19:23] maybe discuss them a bit before the meeting even [19:23] sure. [19:23] knome and me did a new gmusicbrowser icon for xubuntu [19:23] it's pretty nice :) [19:23] * ochosi digs up the link [19:23] Is it the one in the alpha3? [19:24] no, up to now it was monochrome [19:24] * micahg is back [19:24] which was problematic [19:24] you can see it here: https://github.com/shimmerproject/gmusicbrowser/blob/master/pix/gmusicbrowser.png [19:25] i guess that's about it from my side [19:25] WoW! I like that one a lot [19:25] (the new icon also created good feedback by the way) [19:25] thanks :) [19:25] that does give a real nice idea of what the app does [19:25] it's designed to be kinda generic, so it would give a good idea of the function [19:25] exactly [19:26] Anything for artwork? [19:26] nope, i'm done ) [19:26] else, that is? [19:26] [TOPIC] Announcements [19:26] New Topic: Announcements [19:26] sry, g2g again [19:26] Natty Narwhal Alpha3 released today! [19:27] Thanks, ochosi [19:27] i'll read the log :) [19:27] np [19:27] -> [19:27] Glad for your input [19:27] [TOPIC] Any Other Business [19:27] New Topic: Any Other Business [19:27] did we get gmusicbrowser in the seed for alpha3 [19:28] or are we waiting on the new artwork? [19:28] Next meeting is on March 10, same place, 19:00 UTC [19:28] micahg: as far as I know, it is there [19:28] I know it was on the panel, and started with the launcher [19:29] This was brought up earlier, and deserves an answer: [19:29] i have a small opinion to make; xubuntu is trying to fit into the same niche as ubuntu, maybe we need to find a different one? [19:29] * micahg doesn't think so === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [19:30] xubuntu is a lighter alternative to ubuntu, not lightest though [19:30] Ubuntu with Unity and Gnome has always been aimed at the the new user coming from windows [19:30] We have not aimed at the new user, intentionally. [19:30] We are looking more at the user with at least some experience [19:31] OK, but xfce has almost the same configuration of programs (so far as i know) as GNOME, why change? [19:31]