[03:42] <artfwo> is it allowed to package data files with CC-BY-NC-SA license or "free for non-commercial use" license?
[03:43] <artfwo> I mean, is it accepted in Debian/Ubuntu archives?
[03:43] <james_w> artfwo, only in non-free/multiverse
[03:45] <artfwo> james_w: if I have a mix of public domain and non-free files, can I produce 2 packages - for universe and multiverse respectively from one source package?
[03:45] <james_w> artfwo, should be possible, provided the source package is in multiverse
[05:32] <broder> james_w: i know that packages split across main and universe have their source package in main. can you split "up" like that?
[05:33] <micahg> broder: that's more of a closure issue than anything else
[05:33] <micahg> I think
[05:34]  * micahg retracts his comment
[05:43] <MTecknology> So.. if I have a man page provided by package A and there is package A, B, and C provided by the packaging; what's the right way to tell dh_link to link the man page for those?
[05:44] <MTecknology> they all need to provide the same man page; but the man page is exactly the same
[05:45] <MTecknology> also; B and C depend on A
[05:48] <RAOF> You mean - A ships a binary + a manpage for said binary.  That manpage also describes a binary found in B and C.  Yes?
[05:49] <MTecknology> RAOF: exactly
[05:50] <RAOF> So, I think you just want to add them to debian/packagename.links
[05:50] <RAOF> As normal, a one-line per link, whitespace delimited $SRC $DEST file.
[05:51] <MTecknology> but would would my source be?
[05:51] <MTecknology> they'd be the same file; right?
[05:51] <RAOF> No, because you've got different binaries in B and C?
[05:51] <MTecknology> nope..
[05:51] <RAOF> So their manpages need to be named different things?
[05:51] <StevenK> If the binary has *exactly* the same name, you don't need a link
[05:52] <RAOF> But if the binary has exactly the same name you have other problems, such as playing the Replaces game :)
[05:53] <MTecknology> I'm guessing I can't just put the man page in each package and let them all install the same thing?
[05:53] <RAOF> Does B conflict with A?
[05:53] <RAOF> It sounds like it should, because it's got an identically-named binary?
[05:53] <MTecknology> no
[05:54] <MTecknology> B and C conflict; but i already dealt with that
[05:54] <RAOF> So this is something like A=foo-common, B=foo-type-one C=foo-type-two?
[05:55] <RAOF> Regardless of how this ends up, its likely that lintian will erroneously flag your binary as not having a manpage.  Feel free to override that warning.
[05:55] <MTecknology> yup; that's what i have; only worded much nicer
[05:55]  * RAOF heads out to exercise.
[05:56] <broder> so if i take lp:~jelmer/ubuntu/natty/samba4/various-fixes, does anybody want to take lp:~w-shackleton/ubuntu/natty/x2vnc/x2vnc-fix-726783 ?
[06:34] <MTecknology> lintian-override file... [<package>[ <type>]: ]<lintian-tag>[ [*]<lintian-info>[*]]. <package>  <-- does this mean that anything inside the brackets can be ignored?..
[07:33] <MTecknology> I'm struggling with adding a lintian override... I can't figure out how to write the thing..
[07:34] <MTecknology> nginx-full package does not have a binary; but binary is provided by nginx-common which is a required package
[07:34] <broder> MTecknology: i...thought you could generally take the lintian output and paste it in directly
[07:34] <MTecknology> I tried to add to debian/lintian-overrides      nginx-full binary: binary-without-manpage usr/sbin/nginx * Supplied by nginx-common package. * nginx-full
[07:34] <MTecknology> broder: http://dpaste.com/467878/
[07:35] <MTecknology> broder: should I paste in only "nginx-full: binary-without-manpage usr/sbin/nginx" ?
[07:35] <broder> i think so. try it?
[07:35] <MTecknology> alrighty
[07:37] <MTecknology> now the long painful build time....
[07:38] <MTecknology> the proc is good; but that's about it
[07:47] <MTecknology> broder: that didn't work.. I put that exact line "nginx-full: binary-without-manpage usr/sbin/nginx" into debina/lintian-overrides
[07:48] <broder> wouldn't you want debian/nginx-full.lintian-overrides?
[07:49] <MTecknology> ther'es three of them; I thought I could do just one file to cover all three
[07:50] <broder> i don't think it works like that
[07:50] <MTecknology> I'll try with separate files tomorrow; it's getting really late here
[07:50] <MTecknology> thanks for the help. :)
[07:50] <broder> np
[08:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:11] <tumbleweed> dholbach: morning. Care to bzr pull the sponsor queue?
[08:13] <dholbach> tumbleweed, done - thanks for the fix
[08:14] <tumbleweed> dholbach: just a minor tweak :)
[08:14] <dholbach> :)
[10:37] <om26er> Hi! how do I work on a package to gets its latest version in Ubuntu? I mean its simple to backport a patch what how do I work on a new upstream release?
[10:43] <om26er> for example: telepathy-logger's launchpad maintanance branch is bzr branch lp:ubuntu/telepathy-logger now there is a new upstream release what do i do?
[10:43] <om26er> should I make a diff between the above branch and the new release and apply it to the branch and commit?
[10:44] <Laney> there is a command "bzr merge-upstream" that might do what you want
[10:44] <Laney> I think that's the bzr-ish way of doing it...?
[10:45] <Laney> om26er: you should probably coordinate in #ubuntu-desktop for that package (and look at merging in the packaging with Debian)
[10:46] <Laney> alternatively (and preferably IMO) you can /do/ the upgrade in Debian and then merge/sync it back into Ubuntu
[10:48] <om26er> thanks Laney i'll look into these options
[10:49] <Laney> for debian you want #debian-gnome on irc.debian.org
[11:13] <Laney> argh, he's gone (but I just noticed 0.2.4 is in NEW)
[13:51] <james_w> broder, good point, maybe you can't do that
[14:12] <c2tarun> can anyone please help me with this error http://paste.kde.org/6297/ error can be fixed by moving -lm and -lrt at the end. but when I am making this change to one of the Makefiles, on rebuild makefile is getting restored to its previous state.
[14:13] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: maybe again debian-changes* is introduced? check debian/patches
[14:14] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: there are no patches, infact package is not following any patching system
[14:20] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: there was also a file Makefile.in in the same folder, I made change to that as well :) now buil successful ;)
[14:26] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: congrats
[14:30] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: I have a doubt, I thought that Makefile.in was created automatically during build by Makefile (or some other file) but here when I changed Makefile.in it worked. I was making same changes to Makefile.in of one other package ( dont remember may be chaplin) then it was not working, I had to make change to Makefile.am there.
[14:31] <ari-tczew> c2tarun: sometimes it needs to get applied in these 2 both files.
[14:31] <c2tarun> ari-tczew: ok
[15:27] <bdmurray> hyperair: I'm a bit confused about how bug 725316 was hijacked.  Could you help me out?
[15:29] <hyperair> bdmurray: the description shows a BadMatch error returned by X.
[15:30] <hyperair> bdmurray: christian was seeing a completely different bug involving missing dependencies
[15:31] <bdmurray> hyperair: isn't christian the reporter of the bug?  when I think of hijacking I think of a person other than the reporter changing the bug
[15:31] <hyperair> eh?
[15:31] <kklimonda> ScottK: any idea why there is no libqwebkit.so provided by libqtwebkit4? Without it QtCreator doesn't display WebView widget
[15:31] <kklimonda> (or rather qt designer)
[15:32] <hyperair> bdmurray: ah hell
[15:32] <hyperair> >_>
[15:32] <hyperair> bdmurray: looks like i got it wrong
[15:32] <ScottK> kklimonda: No.  I suspect debfx knows though.
[15:32] <kklimonda> debfx: ^ ?
[15:32] <kklimonda> oh well, you did ping him already :)
[15:33] <bdmurray> hyperair: not a big deal.  In case you didn't know the firefox-lp-improvements extension identifies original reporter comments.
[15:33] <hyperair> lp-improvements?
[15:33] <hyperair> what's that?
[15:34] <bdmurray> Its an extension of compiled greasemonkey scripts that add some functionality to launchpad
[15:34] <bdmurray> https://edge.launchpad.net/~gm-dev-launchpad/+archive/ppa
[15:35] <debfx> kklimonda: libqwebkit.so (without the "t")?
[15:36] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 4 starting in 25 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:37] <bdmurray> hyperair: and an example http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=96
[15:37] <hyperair> bdmurray: is there any reason we can't have this functionality added directly to launchpad?
[15:37] <kklimonda> debfx: erm, libqwebview.so - it should go to /usr/share/qt4/plugins/designer according to some documentation I've found
[15:38] <kklimonda> debfx: there is a bug about it on debian bts: http://bugs.debian.org/612974
[15:38] <bdmurray> hyperair: because Launchpad development is hard?  More seriously though some things have been added to Launchpad and some are Ubuntu specific (showing team badges).
[15:38] <hyperair> hm
[15:39] <bdmurray> As an LP developer I'd think highlighting reporter comments makes sense.
[15:40] <debfx> kklimonda: oh, that fell victim to the qtwebkit split which upstream doesn't really support
[15:43] <ScottK> debfx: Can we fix it?
[15:43] <kklimonda> debfx: is it fixable?
[15:43] <ScottK> ;-)
[15:47] <debfx> ScottK, kklimonda: we could copy the source code from qt4-x11 to qtwebkit-source and patch the build system
[15:48] <ChogyDan> Is this normal?  Every time I use dch, it always applies maverick as the release when I'm working on a lucid package.  I thought it was supposed to match the release, ie apply lucid to a new entry when the previous is lucid
[15:48] <ari-tczew> ChogyDan: it bases on system which you're running.
[15:49] <ChogyDan> ari-tczew: :(  is there any way to get it to base on the previous instead?
[15:49] <ari-tczew> ChogyDan: dch -i -D lucid ?
[15:50] <ChogyDan> ari-tczew: yeah, fair enough, thanks!
[15:51] <ari-tczew> ChogyDan: np
[15:54] <kklimonda> debfx: bah, it does sound like quite a lot of work, on the other hand current situation is damn confusing.. I wonder if there are any other plugins that are missing because of that
[16:49] <seidos> empathy is better than ex-chat right?
[16:50] <ari-tczew> seidos: it depends on taste
[16:50] <seidos> ari-tczew: motu?
[16:51] <ari-tczew> seidos: me? yes. does it matter about your question whether motu or not?
[16:51] <seidos> ari-tczew: yes
[16:51] <seidos> until i get kicked, then no
[16:52] <ari-tczew> seidos: are you going to ask everyone whether is he/she motu?
[18:34] <seidos> if i got a job at ubuntu i'd give half my money to hire another
[18:37] <Rhonda> ?
[18:38] <seidos> question?
[18:39] <Rhonda> I have a dejavu, someone said something similar just recently
[18:39] <Rhonda> Are you HPV?
[18:39] <Rhonda> ah :)  -!- HPV is now known as seidos
[18:41] <Rhonda> Though, as generous as it sounds, at the same time I think it won't work. Either they are paying way too much to make that possible, or half the money won't be able to make a proper living
[18:41] <seidos> i am not HPV, though i have it Rhonda
[18:41] <seidos> do you have it?
[18:41] <Rhonda> have what?
[18:41] <seidos> Rhonda: who is "they"?
[18:41] <seidos> HPV
[18:42] <seidos> efficient speak, not double speak
[18:42] <seidos> u got my back Rhonda ?
[18:42] <seidos> go outside?
[18:42] <seidos> walk around?
[18:43] <Rhonda> Your nick was HPV before, that's what I meant.
[18:43] <Rhonda> And they are canonical in that case.
[18:50] <seidos> Rhonda: i just ran around the block, and in the driveway and lawn.  dog has no leash.
[20:06] <ari-tczew> 11 entries in sponsors overview \o/
[21:59] <seidos> right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration
[22:04] <ari-tczew> seidos: right sentences on right channel ;)
[22:04] <seidos> ari-tczew: trying to use empathy to join right channel
[22:04] <seidos> ari-tczew: are you an op?
[22:05] <seidos> an agent?
[22:05] <ari-tczew> seidos: why empathy?
[22:05] <ari-tczew> seidos: nope, ask persia
[22:05] <ari-tczew> !op
[22:05] <seidos> ari-tczew: part of the default packages
[22:05] <seidos> ari-tczew: are you an agent?
[22:05] <ari-tczew> seidos: agent? guess no
[22:05] <seidos> ari-tczew: was that a command?
[22:06] <maco> why do you need an op? whats the emergency?
[22:06] <fbond> Odd, I should not be an op.
[22:06] <ari-tczew> and persia should be IIRC
[22:06] <seidos> maco: ask ari-tczew
[22:06] <seidos> how's persia doing?
[22:06] <micahg> maco: I think he did it by accident, but I think seidos is very close to needing to be kicked
[22:07] <ari-tczew> :)
[22:07] <seidos> ari-tczew: is persia doing alright?
[22:07] <maco> havent seen persia in a bit
[22:07] <ari-tczew> seidos: I don't understand.
[22:07] <maco> still hasnt added me to the DMB mailing list
[22:07] <seidos> ari-tczew: middle east revolution
[22:07] <seidos> mah-co
[22:07] <seidos> mama
[22:07] <ari-tczew> seidos: are you drugged?
[22:07]  * maco raises an eyebrow
[22:08] <seidos> ari-tczew: negative
[22:08] <ari-tczew> seidos: drunk?
[22:08] <seidos> ari-tczew: define drug
[22:08] <maco> are you here for constructive purposes?
[22:08] <seidos> ari-tczew: define drunk
[22:08] <ari-tczew> take less then
[22:08] <seidos> maco: affirmative
[22:08] <seidos> 1
[22:08] <seidos> ari-tczew: less what?
[22:08] <maco> please define
[22:08] <seidos> brain chemicals?
[22:08] <ari-tczew> seidos: alcohol
[22:08] <seidos> ari-tczew: 0 alcohol
[22:08] <ari-tczew> also brain chemicals
[22:08]  * seidos dies
[22:08] <seidos> 0 brain chemicals = death?
[22:08] <seidos> yes
[22:09] <ari-tczew> seidos: if you think you're OK, hit your head on the wall
[22:09] <seidos> brain chemicals at nominal levels
[22:09] <seidos> ari-tczew: once
[22:09] <maco> seidos: what are the constructive purposes for your visit?
[22:09] <seidos> ari-tczew: are you okay?
[22:09] <ari-tczew> seidos: you can twice if you wish
[22:09] <seidos> maco: metta
[22:09] <seidos> ari-tczew: i do not
[22:09] <ari-tczew> maco: he is looking for friends
[22:10]  * micahg thinks its a bot
[22:10] <maco> this channel is for development work
[22:10] <maco> micahg: nah, too irregular
[22:10] <seidos> cease suffering
[22:10] <maco> seidos: take it elsewhere, please
[22:10] <ari-tczew> micahg: nope, too inteligent
[22:10] <seidos> what package are you working on maco ?
[22:10] <seidos> upgrades
[22:10] <seidos> what upgrades?
[22:10] <seidos> to what packages?
[22:11] <maco> at the moment, i'm not doing any packaging work. later this evening or tomorrow, qt/atspi
[22:12] <seidos> it was more like a tap
[22:13] <tsimpson> now back to the silence :)
[22:20] <maco> tsimpson: too soon
[22:22] <tsimpson> maco: see my 2nd +q
[22:22] <maco> tsimpson: i thought the exact string had to match, so you would need more *s
[22:23] <tsimpson> IPs look behind hosts and cloaks
[22:23] <tsimpson> (except webchat cloaks, but that's because the IP would be for whatever server runs webchat)
[22:24] <maco> oh ok
[22:24] <maco> neat
[22:28] <Rcart> I'm working in this bug 725217 (just some typos)
[22:28] <Rcart> but the patch in the bug report does not cover the typos in po/ files
[22:29] <Rcart> So, I asked in -translators, with no response. I'd like to know if I need to patch the typos in po/ files too
[23:54] <Rcart> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu is a native package and I'll apply a patch to it. Are there any recommendations or rules that differs from non-native packages while working on this kind of packages?
[23:55] <Rcart> btw, I know that that d/source/format must be 3.0 (native)