[01:38] <chrisccoulson> fta - you still there?
[02:32] <LLStarks> ctrl+L on the addon tab: http://imgur.com/aeLej
[02:32] <LLStarks> wat
[02:32] <LLStarks> what kind of madman would do that instead of putting the adressbar in the addon tab?
[12:01] <chrisccoulson> w00t - https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/thunderbird-next \o/
[12:14] <fta> chrisccoulson, what is w00t? the ftbfs? ;)
[12:15] <chrisccoulson> heh, not so much ;)
[12:15] <chrisccoulson> i just noticed that. i guess i should use pbuilder occasionally ;)
[12:36] <napster> Can I ask a question related to xul based application development here?
[12:37] <napster> Can I ask a question related to xul based application development here asac ?
[12:38] <asac> napster: this is the wrong place ... its about integrating xul/ffox etc. into ubuntu
[12:38] <asac> not about development
[12:38] <asac> irc.mozilla.org has a few channels around that
[12:38] <asac> topic
[12:40] <napster> asac: oh ok. But I'm unable to connect to that server. It shows nothing when I try /join #addons
[12:40] <chrisccoulson> right, thunderbird builds should work now :)
[12:41] <asac> napster: not sure if that channel is supposed to exist ... start here: https://wiki.mozilla.org/IRC
[12:41] <napster> asac: ty
[12:41] <asac> napster: http://irc.mozilla.org/
[12:41] <asac> thats a more complete list
[12:42] <asac> not sure
[12:42] <asac> you will find out ;)
[12:42] <asac> i am sure
[12:42] <napster> asac: ok, my browser shows nothing for that page but timed out
[12:42] <napster> asac: I mean http://irc.mozilla.org/
[12:43] <asac> works for me
[12:43] <asac> must be on your side
[12:43] <asac> napster: its also a different IRC network: irc.mozilla.org (for your client)
[12:43] <chrisccoulson> napster, you want #xulrunner on irc.mozilla.org
[12:44] <napster> chrisccoulson: asac: yeah, I know, but can't connect to that server at all from my xchat :)
[12:44] <napster> its shows no errors or warning
[12:44] <napster>  Disconnected (Connection timed out).
[12:44] <napster>  Cycling to next server in Mozilla Net...
[12:44] <napster> this is only what I can see
[12:45] <asac> i am no ton that server atm
[12:45] <asac> so no clue
[12:45] <asac> but the website opens for me quickly
[12:45] <asac> might be your IP is a previous spammer one
[12:45] <asac> if you have dynamic IP try to get a new IP
[12:45] <napster> asac: never, I've been to that newtwork for the first time
[12:45] <asac> do you have a static IP?
[12:45] <napster> asac: no
[12:46] <napster> its dynamic
[12:46] <asac> then try to get a new IP
[12:46] <napster> Yeah I guess os
[12:46] <napster> *so
[12:46] <asac> yours might have been used by a intrusive hacker/virus etc.
[12:46] <napster> see you
[12:46] <asac> cu
[12:53] <napster> asac: no hope :(
[12:53] <napster> anyway leave it
[13:00] <asac> your whole IP block might be blacklisted
[13:02] <napster> asac: Thats is awesome. I'm not able to connect because some else has spammed them! Very nice :)
[13:02] <asac> dont know
[13:02] <asac> just a guess ;)
[13:02] <asac> if you can connect to freenode and not irc.mozilla.org i would think it has something to do with you :)
[13:02] <asac> chrisccoulson: does irc.mozilla.org work for you atm?
[13:02]  * asac is not connected there
[13:03] <asac> napster: for the meantime try mibbit.com
[13:03] <asac> its a webinterface ... maybe that has mozilla net support
[13:03] <asac> really sucky thing, but if nothing else works ;)
[13:04] <napster> asac: that sounds good for now. thanks mate
[13:04] <asac> yeah works for me
[13:04] <asac> i am in #addons using mibbit.com ;)
[13:05] <asac> but #xulrunner might be better for you ... not sure
[13:05] <napster> ok
[13:05] <asac> i am mostly did core development ;)
[13:06] <napster> asac: oh, thats good bro
[13:52] <chrisccoulson> asac - sorry, popped out for some lunch
[13:52] <chrisccoulson> yeah, irc.mozilla.org is working here
[13:56] <asac> np
[14:02] <chrisccoulson> fta - have you got a few minutes for setting up the thunderbird dailies?
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> asac - are you able to add me as admin to ~mozillateam? I can't create PPA's at the moment :(
[14:03] <chrisccoulson> micahg alreday tried, but he couldn't do it
[14:15] <fta> chrisccoulson, sure
[14:16] <chrisccoulson> fta - so, the current thunderbird stable branch in natty is now coming from lp:~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-3.1.head
[14:17] <chrisccoulson> what is currently lp:~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird.head will become the thunderbird-3.3 packages (although I've not made any changes to that branch yet, but i've got the changes ready to push)
[14:17] <chrisccoulson> so, it's basically the same layout as firefox then
[14:23] <asac> chrisccoulson: not?
[14:23] <asac> ok
[14:24] <asac> chrisccoulson: gnomefreak is owner ;)
[14:24] <asac> chrisccoulson: is he ever here?
[14:24] <asac> try to contact him or talk to IS to make you owner of the team
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> asac - i haven't seen hi for a while
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> *him
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[14:24] <asac> one sec
[14:30] <fta> maybe clean-up the team too; too many idle people in there
[14:33] <fta> chrisccoulson, today, i have: thunderbird-3.1.head = lp:~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-3.1.head and thunderbird.head = lp:~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird.head
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, that looks right
[14:34] <fta> i didn't change anything yet
[14:35] <fta> and the bot has: http://paste.ubuntu.com/574995/
[14:35] <chrisccoulson> fta - ah, ok. so, the "thunderbird" source package will be coming from thunderbird-3.1.head, which is the current stable version
[14:36] <chrisccoulson> athunderbird.head will be "thunderbird-3.3"
[14:36] <chrisccoulson> *and
[14:36] <chrisccoulson> my keys keep not working :(
[14:36] <fta> hmm
[14:43] <fta> chrisccoulson, the stable branch is currently called thunderbird.head right?
[14:43] <fta> the daily is thunderbird-3.1.head
[14:43] <chrisccoulson> oh, i'm confused now :/
[14:43] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[14:43] <fta> you want me to swap those, is that correct?
[14:45] <chrisccoulson> fta - there are daily builds for thunderbird-3.1? i only see thunderbird in the PPA
[14:45] <fta> chrisccoulson, http://paste.ubuntu.com/575004/
[14:47] <chrisccoulson> fta - assuming i understand the configuration, i think we want something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/575003/
[14:48] <fta> the 2nd vpattern is 3.3, not 3.1
[14:48] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i didn't notice that bit ;)
[14:48] <fta> that's what preventing the bot to push the dailies atm
[14:49] <fta> so you need to swap the branches in lp
[14:50] <fta> right?
[14:52] <chrisccoulson> fta - i've branched what is currently lp:thunderbird to lp:thunderbird-3.1.head
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> and then, i have the changes to lp:thunderbird.head stored locally which update it to 3.3
[14:55] <fta> hm, what happened to the old lp:thunderbird-3.1.head branch then?
[14:59] <fta> to be consistent with ff, i should call the daily thunderbird-trunk.head
[15:00] <fta> pff
[15:00] <chrisccoulson> fta - i moved the old lp:thunderbird-3.1.head branch to lp:thunderbird-3.1.head.old, but i didn't realise your bot was still using it when i did that
[15:01] <fta> well, it's not, since trunk moved away from 3.1
[15:02] <fta> n-m, i'll manage
[15:02] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[15:04] <m_conley> Hey all - I've started work on integrating Thunderbird into the Messaging Menu.  Mozilla Labs project page is here:  https://mozillalabs.com/messaging/messaging-menu/
[15:04] <m_conley> Any and all feedback welcome.  :)
[15:04] <fta> chrisccoulson, could you please rename thunderbird.head to thunderbird-trunk.head in lp, to match firefox?
[15:05] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, sure
[15:05] <fta> it has thunderbird-3.3 as src package name, right?
[15:06] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, it does. ok, i've renamed that now
[15:07] <chrisccoulson> in future, we'll probably just use firefox-trunk and thunderbird-trunk as the source package names too
[15:09] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, that's awesome :-)
[15:09] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: thanks! :D  Pretty stoked.  It needs some polish, but I'm happy to see it mostly work.
[15:12] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, the extension is arch-specific isn't it?
[15:12] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: oh, yes - good point.  :/  I should probably add that to the add-on listing.
[15:12] <m_conley> i386 for now.
[15:12] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[15:29] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: I may have asked you this before, but when you put together the build structure for your globalmenu-extension... did you just go at it via trial and error, or was there some documentation you were referring to?
[15:37] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, it was mostly just copying config/ and build/, and other bits i knew that i needed. but some of it was trial and error ;)
[15:37] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: gotcha.  thanks. :)
[15:57] <micahg> chrisccoulson: shouldn't thunderbird.head stay the current dev release and a new thunderbird-trunk become thunderbird-3.3?
[16:28] <fta> micahg, we don't have a firefox.head branch
[16:33] <micahg> fta: yep, but we don't have a versioned thunderbird branch at the moment for each release and I'd like to keep it that way
[16:34] <micahg> I'd prefer thunderbird.head to remain the distro head branch
[16:36] <fta> we have thunderbird-3.1.head
[16:36] <fta> you last touched it months ago
[16:41] <micahg> fta: yep, but then it was merged into thunderbird.head
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> i don't mind having thunderbird.head for the current 3.1 stable releases
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> but we should probably do the same for firefox at some point too ;)
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> hmm, third time lucky with the tbird builds :(
[16:47] <micahg> chrisccoulson: it made sense when we weren't doing major version upgrades in stable releases
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> i guess the only issue with it is, when we eventually roll out thunderbird 3.3, users on older releases will get updated to 3.3 if they are using the daily builds
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> whereas, that isn't happening for firefox because we still have the daily builds coming off lp:firefox-3.6.head, and natty is using lp:firefox-4.0.head
[16:50] <micahg> well, that's what happened with firefox I think, when 3.6 was stable
[16:51] <micahg> ah, hmm, I see your point
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure how to handle that
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> but, on the flip-side - when firefox 4 is released, we are going to lose 4.0 daily builds
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> hmmmm L/
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> :/ even
[16:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I think we should make the "firefox" dailies come off firefox-4.0 then
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> even for maverick and lucid users?
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> it almost seems like we need more than 1 PPA ;)
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> fta - how does this work for chromium? :)
[16:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yeah, that's what we did with 3.6
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> if we've done that in the past, then i don't mind doing it again
[16:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: we can make firefox-3.6.head push a source firefox-3.6 package if we need the dailies still
[16:54] <micahg> chrisccoulson: chromium has channels the users subscribe to, daily, dev, beta, stable
[16:58] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'm happy with keeping lp:thunderbird.head for the current stable (rather than using lp:thunderbird-3.1.head)
[16:59] <chrisccoulson> we should probably discuss workflow at UDS though, we have a lot of branches now and i guess this is going to get more difficult in the future ;)
[16:59] <chrisccoulson> ^^^fta - will you be coming to UDS?
[17:28] <magcius> where is the chromium daily ppa?
[17:29] <micahg> magcius: I think it's ppa:chromium-daily/ppa
[17:31] <magcius> ok.
[17:31] <fta> chrisccoulson, nope.
[17:33] <fta> chrisccoulson, micahg: grr, i already renamed everyting
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> fta - that's ok, don't worry about it ;)
[17:33] <micahg> yeah, it's fine
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> wth is eToken?
[17:35] <chrisccoulson> these issues keep cropping up: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/65515213/DpkgTerminalLog.txt
[17:35] <chrisccoulson> applications should not be adding private locations to the ld search path!
[17:35] <chrisccoulson> grrrrrrrrrrrrr
[17:35] <chrisccoulson> is this going to be another ubuntuzilla? ;)
[17:35] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I don't think that's us
[17:36] <chrisccoulson> no, it's not us. i'm just wondering what it is though
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> it's especially bad adding themselves to the ld search path when they ship such antiquated versions of nss
[17:40]  * chrisccoulson is going to have to get the whip out
[17:40] <micahg> well, installing stuff in /usr/lib is generally frowned upon anyways
[17:40] <chrisccoulson> yeah, they aren't doing that. they're installing nss in to a private location in /opt and then presumably dropping a file in /etc/ld.so.conf.d
[17:40] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I was referring to the eToken stuff :)
[17:41] <chrisccoulson> it's a good job that firefox isn't using the system nss
[17:41] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if it's this? http://www3.safenet-inc.com/support/etoken.aspx
[17:41] <chrisccoulson> i might send them an e-mail
[18:07] <micahg> did you see the news about js185?
[18:08] <chrisccoulson> micahg - not yet, are they doing a tarball release though? i've been pinging them in #jsapi about that ;)
[18:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes, sounds like it's planned
[18:08] <micahg> which means /usr/lib/mozjs185.0.0 hopefully
[18:09] <chrisccoulson> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=628723
[18:09] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 628723 in JavaScript Engine "Create JS 1.8.5 source release" [Normal,New]
[19:39] <micahg> jdstrand: what do you think about bug 728621
[19:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 728621 in firefox "Apparmor profile works around a fixed security bug in sun-java6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728621
[19:41] <jdstrand> micahg: seems fine to revert so long as it is tested
[19:41] <micahg> jdstrand: is running through the java test suite on the build sufficient?
[19:41] <jdstrand> micahg: should be. probably something for natty only
[19:43] <micahg> jdstrand: revert only in natty or test only in natty?
[19:44] <jdstrand> micahg: both
[19:45] <micahg> jdstrand: so leave the stable releases alone WRT this
[19:45] <jdstrand> yes
[19:45] <micahg> jdstrand: k, it's in the apparmor abstraction now, so should I prepare a merge request for apparmor?
[19:46] <jdstrand> sure, or a debdiff
[20:15] <fta> jdstrand, micahg: do you want the arm ftbfs fix for this ch release or is it fine to wait for the next one?
[20:15]  * micahg defers to jdstrand on this
[20:16] <fta> btw, the next beta is very active, i won't be surprised to see it become stable very soon
[20:16] <fta> linux/beta (10.0.648.126 -> 10.0.648.127)
[20:16] <micahg> they've also just about reached they're 6 week release deadline
[20:17] <jdstrand> fta: which fix is this, dropping the arch or actually getting armel builds?
[20:18] <jdstrand> s/builds/working builds/
[20:19] <fta> jdstrand, i can get it to build "theoretically", it was my fault, a flag dropped by mistake.
[20:20] <jdstrand> fta: yes, please let's get armel building again with the next upload (but not a special 9.0.597.107~r75357-0ubuntu0.10.10.2 upload)
[20:21] <fta> ok
[20:21] <jdstrand> fta: so whenever google has a new security update for us, we'll get the path then
[20:21] <jdstrand> fta: thanks for finding the fix, even if it is just theoretical :)
[20:28] <fta> ok, fix committed, so i won't forget it
[22:55] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:58] <fta> jdstrand, are the QRT:scripts fully automatic? i mean, would it be possible to run them without a display?
[22:58] <jdstrand> fta: no, they are not automatic in any way. they are interactive
[22:59] <jdstrand> fta: well, test-browser.py. most of QRT:scripts can be run without a display
[23:02] <fta> i guess i should test those one day
[23:03] <fta> chrisccoulson, you didn't change the tb 3.3 src package name yet?
[23:03] <chrisccoulson> fta - i thought i pushed my changes already?
[23:03] <chrisccoulson> 1 sec
[23:06] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, it's pushed already
[23:07] <fta> hm
[23:07] <fta> why is my bot pulling the same sources over and over again then?..
[23:08] <fta> oh, no cache
[23:08] <fta> could you please add one?
[23:09] <fta> ff and xul have one already