[00:00] shauno: heh, know the feeling [00:00] last time was fine. they called me at work while she was still stood at the checkout [00:00] they got hold of me before she did, so I could just tell her to try again [00:01] shauno: I got my first card just because I wanted to subscribe to broadband ... and to buy stuff online [00:01] * popey pokes shauno with -minecraft [00:01] shauno: am I right in thinking that's your rail tunnel to the castle? [00:01] aye [00:01] cool [00:01] mind if we move the exit a bit [00:01] ? [00:01] to accomodate the new train station [00:01] :D [00:02] sure. I'm all done there [00:02] shauno: that was pretty handy then [00:02] my current idea of fun is trying to pull the region files apart with python & edit the world :) [00:02] haha [00:03] aided by not knowing python at all [00:03] shauno: xD [00:03] python isn't hard to pick up in all fairness [00:04] HazRPG, ooh, didn't know about that! [00:04] just added the summer holiday! [00:04] just has some annoying quirks though [00:04] directhex: guessing you use HSBC then? :P [00:05] I think my main grump at the moment is just how my editor of choice handles the indenting. it tries to do it for me, and gets it wrong more often than not [00:05] me? nope! course not! [00:05] any good screen captures with gui? [00:05] recordmydesktop seems a bit hard to use [00:08] dogmatic69: I usually use screentoaster.com [00:09] oh wow, screentoaster seems to be down :o [00:11] dogmatic69: ooo, http://www.screencast-o-matic.com/ still seems to work though [00:11] print screen [00:11] sleep [00:11] :D [00:12] oh, I thought you meant video [00:12] yeah... pressing printscreen already has a gui :) [00:12] a feature windows has lacked for years :P [00:13] dogmatic69: wait, what is it your trying to do sorry? [00:14] ye i was looking for video, but got hit buy tiredness [00:16] dogmatic69: nixiepixie talks about video captures for ubuntu/linux in one of her videos :) [00:16] dogmatic69: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW-ZoKTef_I [00:17] will check it later [00:17] gonna sleep now, later all [00:17] dogmatic69: GUVCviewer is the one she uses I think [00:18] dogmatic69: worth a watch, cos she explains it better :) [00:18] dogmatic69: anyways, nice :) [00:18] nite* [00:22] just-eat.co.uk has a bad influence one me >_< [00:28] trying he.net's ipv6 tests. they're making me feel stupid :) [00:34] that was weird [00:35] shauno: hmm, my knowledge of ipv6 is rather limited [00:37] I'm not doing too bad, but it keeps throwing in questions about windows [00:37] last time I had windows at home it didn't have tcp/ip, let alone 6 [00:45] ah [00:53] http://i.imgur.com/lZd0q.jpg :D [00:54] heh [00:55] having good fun trying to figure out wtf a glue record is. google's returning a bunch of trash [00:57] I really wish google had a "ignore blogs and forums" option sometimes [01:01] i think your google is broken [01:01] mine returns only pages about DNS on the first page of hits [01:03] http://www.webdnstools.com/dnstools/articles/glue_records [01:05] apparently throwing ipv6 in the query was a red herring, because I mostly got forum posts about who had & hadn't had any luck with their respective registrars === webpigeon_laptop is now known as webpigeon === Azelphur is now known as zz_Azelphur === zz_Azelphur is now known as Azelphur [02:04] haha, wow, I'm watching the Sinclair vs Acorn rivalry! [02:04] on the iplayer [02:04] heh, micromen? [02:04] yeah [02:05] can't believe I was born of that era and somehow I missed this history lesson [02:05] although I owned a Sharp not a BBC/Acorn or Sinclair [02:05] i had a dragon 32 [02:05] we had bbc micros at school. in the late 90s :/ [02:05] which was like a tandy coco, but welsher [02:06] shauno: heh yeah same [02:06] half decent docu tho. nice to see the UK side of things [02:06] dramatization. [02:07] I don't know why it shocks me, but I always had it to believe that the Americans had the personal computer before us... [02:07] when I grew up the rivalry was more atari vs amiga [02:07] atari vs commodore you mean [02:07] not really. [02:07] shauno: heh I still own an atari :D [02:08] ST vs the amiga. I never saw commodore as relevant, despite owning the brand [02:09] thing is, commodore was around when sinclair and acorn were fighting it out, and making much more compelling hardware too [02:09] which is why they survived into the 16 bit eras while the others faded away [02:10] Sharp MZ-700 is what I've got :) [02:10] * HazRPG googled it [02:10] http://users.ncable.net.au/~stacy/vcomp.html [02:10] how can it be atari if it's sharp? [02:11] oh, I owned an atari too [02:11] my parents never introduced me to computers, so first ones I saw were when I went to secondary school :/ [02:11] (2011-03-03 2:05:28 AM) HazRPG: although I owned a Sharp not a BBC/Acorn or Sinclair [02:11] hamitron: did you not have one in primary school? [02:11] no [02:12] we made a traffic light program in primary school :) [02:12] or junior school [02:12] I was nearly 12 when I had a go on one :) [02:12] we didn't have any in primary school, but not a bad run of 8bit micros at home [02:13] I had a friend with a Spectrum ZX128 +2 [02:13] I think most of it was pre-written, because it lit up a traffic-light board that was connected via a serial port of some kind... still my first experience with a computer though :) [02:13] but he was always trying to load games off it [02:13] on* [02:14] I did buy it off him later :) [02:14] * HazRPG wonders if is hello world program on his Sharp MZ-700 still exists on tape [02:14] s/is/his [02:15] could never stomach spectrums. had an atari 600 before I ever saw a spectrum, and going from a real keyboard, to that .. 'thing' the speccy had going where each key corresponded to a whole keyword instead of just a character, drove me batty [02:15] it depended what "mode" you selected [02:15] didn't it? [02:16] no idea. never gave it a chance [02:16] felt like such a flimsy toy after my tank of an atari [02:16] I got a PC shortly after, so I never really learnt much on it [02:16] still intend to give it a go [02:16] :) [02:17] little thing the size of an oversized calculator, with horrible rubber keycaps. bleh. [02:17] C64 was always the best [02:18] I always thought having a cart slot /and/ a tape deck in the same machine was the best thing since sliced bread. stayed my favourite until the a500 :) [02:21] one of the cleverest things I saw, was this teach yourself french thing we had. it had lessons recorded as audio segments on the same tape as the program loaded from [02:21] so it'd load a lesson, start going thru it .. then roll the tape on at the right times so you could listen to the voice with it [02:22] shauno: what was that on? [02:22] the atari600 [02:22] 600 XL? [02:22] yeah [02:22] nice :) [02:23] I still think that was multimedia before the term even existed. [02:23] :) [02:24] ali1234: didn't the commodore 64 come in like 3 different models? [02:24] sure, it was on sale for like 10 years though [02:24] I want me a C64 [02:25] http://www.scene.org/file.php?file=/parties/2005/assembly05/oldskool/music/dirty__64_by_reed___fairlight.mp3&fileinfo [02:26] ali1234: was that done on the C64? :P [02:26] yeah [02:26] haha nice [02:26] probably the most impressive thing ever done with one [02:27] people are still using SIDs. there's even a couple of projects trying to emulate them [02:27] SIDs? [02:27] the audio chip in the c64 [02:27] shauno: ah [02:28] shauno: just the sound part, because as far as I know this one is a finished emulator: http://www.ccs64.com/ [02:29] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReSID [02:29] vice uses it [02:30] nice [02:30] off to bed, cya you lot ;) [02:31] apparently the original is still preferred by purists because some of the sound isn't logic alone. it's leakages and odd capacitances & stuff that was never actually intended [02:31] hamitron: see ya later dude :) [02:31] then there is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txL9l7fI0P4 [02:33] haha sweet [02:34] shauno: you mean some people prefer to use the actual machine then an emulator? [02:34] no, they made two versions of the SID chip [02:35] ah [02:35] the chips themselves more than the actual c64 [02:35] tho I know martin galway's CDs were actually recorded straight of the 64. not sure if that's just because they could tho [02:49] I really should know better than to start messing with mc 2 hours before I have to be up :/ [03:11] ali1234: haha I'm using GoatTracker now [03:11] didn't realise commodore 64 and SIP emulators existed in the ubuntu repos [03:12] * HazRPG is having way too much with this :P [03:13] now if only I knew how to save these... [04:39] * ball just finished listening to the new UUPC [04:39] I keep getting interrupted so I haven't finished listening to the UUPC yet >_< [05:00] I want a c64 :( [05:22] sheesh, go to sleep already :p [05:23] every time I see uupc I read uucp and then wonder why people won't let it rest in peace :/ [05:25] shauno: not a fan of the podcast? [05:25] not that at all. uucp is a dead tech. uupc reminds me of the term [05:26] oh heh [05:27] I think mostly because the first time I saw the term in here, they were talking about keeping various mirrors in sync, and uucp didn't seem terribly out of context. just 20 years too late. took me a while to figure out why I was confused :) [05:29] yeah I can see how that would be confusing :P [05:30] I've noticed I have to google things a fair amount when reading people on IRC [05:30] too many acronyms [05:30] that's not a bad thing. tech gets terribly dull if you're not learning anything [05:30] true [05:31] its just harder to find things when your basing what your reading off the acronym [05:32] sometimes it'd be easy to believe unix was written by a guy with one finger. *everything* is an acronym. [05:32] there was one earlier this morning I looked at and and thought "that doesn't make sense" and acronym.com (or similar) just had too many combinations to figure it out :P [05:34] ah that was the one! [05:34] ABM [05:34] can you imagine how much more obvious the shell would be if it had copy, move, edit, list, instead of cp, mv, ed, ls [05:34] http://www.acronymfinder.com/ABM.html [05:35] shauno: extremely :P [05:36] and I do believe I'm late for work again. [05:36] >_< [05:36] oops [05:37] how I manage to do this without even going to bed, I'll never know. atleast oversleeping makes sense in my head [05:38] shauno: I've been trying to work things like that out in my head for years - and my conclusion is usally "ARGH! The internet did it again!" [06:11] \o [06:12] howdy [06:12] ugh, forgot to detach screen at home [06:13] screen -rd (or screen -x) [06:13] use -Dr, but I can't remember why the big D. but it's easy to remember :) [06:13] just a moment of disorientation while I figure out why the window wouldn't resize [06:14] shauno: -D is a more forceful detach, useful if the other side has a hung pty [06:20] ah well, it works [06:27] mornin [06:31] WOHHHEEEYYY Gingerbread OTA [06:32] Myrtti: N1? [06:32] oO [06:32] yup [06:32] * MartijnVdS had his last week [06:32] I thought you flashed it [06:33] Myrtti: I have stock firmware, yes [06:33] Myrtti: I upgraded using the official update.zip that downloads OTA as well [06:33] well, I'm doing the OTA as we speak [06:33] \o/ [06:34] I love the new screen-off animation :) [06:36] ah. now I know what on earth you're talking about :) [06:37] shauno: OTA = Over-The-Air [06:39] aye, I didn't put together gingerbread = android in my head immediately [06:39] thought it was just a celebration of a fun breakfast [06:42] oh sweet. just got an email telling me I have to take 51 hours of holiday this month *rubs hands together* [06:44] * MartijnVdS never gets mail like that :/ [06:45] our funky shift rotation means we rack up holiday hours faster than we can sensibly dispose of them [06:47] I've got seven days to take this month [06:47] I took 10 weeks holiday in 2009, and still 'lost' holiday balance when the year ended in april [07:05] hmh. [07:16] organizations or organisations? [07:16] z I believe [07:17] o/ [07:18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences#-ise.2C_-ize_.28-isation.2C_-ization.29 [07:18] \o/ [07:18] oh dear, this could be fun [07:22] I find wherever I tend towards ~ize, the OED agrees with me. and that's good enough for me :) [07:24] there's a lot of places where -ize is correct in uk & us english. and a lot of places where -ise is correct. the battle over the middle ground seems contentious enough that people assume everything with -ize is 'the american way' and start making a mess [07:38] morning all [07:48] Morning earthlings. Just received quite a funny email from my local GP (and mate in the pub). danfish would probably like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/574852/ [07:50] mornin [08:25] Morning [08:29] TheOpenSourcerer: I've just sent that joke to my wife who works for the NHS, I'll let you know what her reaction is, if I get thumped though, I'm blaming you [08:30] lol [08:30] What's it mean in a crontab when all five timers are set to *? [08:30] Every tick? [08:31] Every minute I guess. As that's the smallest interval? [08:32] I'd assume every minute too. not sure I'd try it tho [08:33] TheOpenSourcerer: Does this have an answer on it? http://www.pantz.org/software/cron/croninfo.html [08:34] Yeah. Thanks. It confirms my assumption. First example. [08:35] Thats what I was looking at, thought thats what it was suggesting [08:43] what job do you have running every minute TheOpenSourcerer ? [08:44] I don't - I am reviewing a book for Packt and wanted to check on the advice being given. [08:46] g'morning [08:46] * danfish catches up [08:48] very good TheOpenSourcerer :) [08:48] :-) [08:49] TheOpenSourcerer: Just thought, there should be another line in that joke, "The dentists could see the holes in the plans" [08:49] Feel free to fork it DJones ;-) [08:49] Heh [08:50] DJones: nah - "the dentists commented on the decay of the NHS" ;) [08:50] danfish: Even better [08:53] hi folks [08:54] Morning. [08:59] o/ [09:03] someone please remind me why I gave myself sudo privileges on this VPS? [09:04] in a moment of fat fingered typing I've just deleted half of a website :( [09:07] czajkows1i: yeh got us at the cricket /o\ [09:07] danfish - just restore from your backup ;-) [09:08] czajkows1i: I do not want to hear about the paddies and cricket. It should never have happened. Who let them play anyway? [09:10] popey: uupc mirror synced, and sync script fixed. [09:10] TheOpenSourcerer: what is this 'backup' thing you talk about? [09:14] danfish: Google is your friend http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+is+a+backup%3F ;-) [09:14] Just got to go and reboot - kernel update this morning. [09:20] * danfish restores from crashplan and all is well in the world [09:21] I think the only suitable response is for england to put a decent hurling team together ;) === richard is now known as Guest77094 [09:26] or send in the armed forces to steal all the potatoes and cabbage. Oops, forgot, our armed forces currrently comprise an air rifle, a ww1 biplane and Keith Chegwin :P [09:28] * shauno ponders how much it'd cost to mail you all the cabbage he can find [09:38] shauno: no tx - I've got some on the go in the garden as it is [09:43] Would sending Keith Chegwin not constitute a war crime or something? [09:47] Obtuse, only if he does another show naked [09:50] morning all [09:50] Hi popey [09:52] Morning :) [09:54] did everyone just wake up to a naked keith chegwin? somehow I don't think that one should be /topic'd [09:55] Oh feck.. that's a mental image that'll ruin the rest of the my morning! [09:56] *cough* [09:56] morning everyone [09:56] * kazade is angry about the BSkyB whitewash :/ [09:56] hmm, my angry aura killed my wifi :) === kazade_ is now known as kazade [09:56] did a double-take to make sure sky aren't your isp ;) [09:56] :) [09:57] grr, the whole thing was such a set up [09:57] I wrote to my MP a while ago, he told me to mind my own business [09:57] "Jeremy knows what he's doing" [09:57] bring on AV, that's all I'm saying [09:57] mp for life, out of interest? [09:58] directhex, how'd you guess... [09:58] Sickening isn't it. [09:58] Bon matin! [09:58] kazade, my mp has been mp here for longer than i've existed [09:58] I've moved from a Lib Dem MP who cared to a Tory minister who clearly doesn't. [09:58] directhex, apparently we live in a democracy - hah [09:59] I can see myself spending a lot of time on that writetothem.com site! [09:59] democracy isn't any good anyway [10:00] Was it Winston Churchill who said "Democracy is the worst form of Government, except for all the others"? [10:03] no, thats the guy that says "oooooohhh yes!" [10:03] I'd be lying if I said there weren't lots of people I didn't think should vote :) [10:03] :) [10:03] You only have to walk through the city centre on a Friday night to see a load of them. [10:04] But if it's "We all have a vote or none of us have a vote" then I'd rather we all did. [10:04] Obtuse, I'd also rather that our votes actually counted for something [10:04] unlike now when only a small proportion of people's votes count for anything [10:08] Agreed. I'm not sure I agree with PR, as I think the constituency link is a good thing (tm), but some form of AV seems a good plan. I'd like to think that each returned MP had the backing of at least 50% of the voters. [10:09] I keep being told it's terrible and will cause us to have coalitions endlessly in future, but I am not at all sure I dislike that idea. If it's provides more checks and balances... perhaps slightly more than currently. [10:10] I'm a tad concerned it's a change for not quite what anybody really wants, and will just be used as a "look, we tried electoral reform, it didn't work." [10:10] I want to create a dictatorship [10:10] it will be called fishland [10:10] But I really don't think the particular way the votes are counted is what's wrong with the parliament [10:11] It's the people in it? :) [10:11] +1 to that. :) [10:11] perhaps the sensible way to deal with 'lifers' is simply term limits [10:12] part of the issue is the short-termness of everything, though [10:12] *nothing* is thought through beyond the next election [10:12] I can see why. [10:13] If you had to reapply for your job every 4 or 5 years you'd be pretty focused on getting it back from at least half way through. [10:13] I have mixed feeling about the current bunch - they've slashed public services but are make good noises (and some actions) wrt open source software [10:13] There's an old adage about the police, but I think it applies to politics too, that the same sort of people you would never want being policemen are exactly the sort of people that become one. [10:15] Obtuse, i'm not sure people understand coalitions [10:15] Obtuse: I've only heard that about politicians [10:15] Borris Johnson == Zaphod Beebolbrox? [10:16] still a lot of "lib dems broke all their promises!" stuff going on when they control 1/7 of the govt - and that doesn't include the treasury [10:17] I think the consternation is them supportign things they said they opposed [10:17] rather than just the fact that, as a coalition, it's basically the tories [10:17] BigRedS: Yeah, and things they said they would continue to oppose even in a coalition, I think. [10:17] BigRedS: Haha, I'd only heard it about the police :) [10:18] BigRedS, the average complaint isn't that sophisticated [10:18] directhex: Most other European countries have coalitions as I understand it... and not all of them are Italy :) [10:18] BigRedS, i think they're doing a LOT of trading of promises - i.e. supporting entirely tory measures to get their way on a few things [10:18] directhex: most of the noise I heard was about the student fees, which is quite an easy one [10:18] Obtuse, yeah, but johnny foreigner has nothing to teach the glorious empire [10:19] directhex: yeah, but one of 'their' things is AV, for example, but I thought AV was one of the 'solutions' they'd specifically ruled out? [10:19] Must admit, I've got tremendously bored of following it, recently. It's just depressing... [10:19] BigRedS, AV is the second worst system for electing MPs "fairly" [10:20] directhex, FPTP worst? [10:20] It's relentless bad news at the moment it seems. Must be no fun being in politics at the moment. [10:20] ahem [10:20] ALSO UBUNTU IS GREAT [10:21] :D [10:21] * kazade realizes he started this then disappeared [10:22] once the ball is rolling, probably the smartest move [10:22] popey: would you recomend #! over unr for the eeepc? [10:22] yes [10:23] yeah, I'm not gonna make a habit of start conversations like that one... So, how about those crazy Christians eh? [10:23] Easy to install? [10:23] i run it on an eee 900 [10:23] ;) [10:23] kazade: +1 [10:23] :) [10:24] q [10:24] gah [10:25] Terminator's not focussing how it used to, I'm sure [10:26] click vs sloppy? [10:27] it's sloppy, which is what it's supposed to be [10:27] but I also do alt+arrow a lot, and sometimes that goes somewhere I'm not expecting it to [10:28] I might've just confused it with a chain of opening and closing panes, I suppose [10:42] I thought filling in 150 rows in a html table was going to be mind-numbing. and then I discovered the wiki formatting. suddenly 150 rows of html has green grass. [10:44] Anybody here use a fountain pen in their day to day work? [10:45] * popey points bigcalm at dutchie [10:45] I tend to make a lot of notes and would like to have something special again instead of a 3 quid Pentel gel pen [10:46] * bigcalm starts to imagine dutchie wearing a ruff and using a quil [10:46] thats about right! [10:47] From school, I remember fountain pens being cheep and scratchy. Would be nice to have something smooth/fluid/comfortable [10:48] bigcalm: I do. [10:48] JamesTait: any recomendations? [10:49] House of Fraiser has a pen counter, might go there and try some [10:49] bigcalm: That's quite a tough one for me actually. I use a wooden fountain pen that my wife bought me as an anniversary gift, but it's really smooth. [10:50] I'd say keep it clean, use it regularly and give it a little while to wear to the way you hold your pen. [10:51] * bigcalm nods [10:51] What about inks? [10:51] If it helps, it says "Iridium point" on it. :) [10:51] My boss goes for a vert perticular shade of brown [10:51] s/vert/very/ [10:52] Black for me. I don't recall the manufacturer though. [10:52] * JamesTait goes to check the bag of cartridges. [10:53] Ah, you use cartridges insead of a pot you suck it up from with the nib? [10:53] I found being left handed and using fountain pens to be incompatible :'( [10:54] These days, yes. I used to have the one with the lever, but with two young boys around it was a little less than practical. [10:54] They tend to want to squirt the ink around... [10:54] Hehe [10:54] Images of comic books fill my mind [10:55] The cartridges actually don't have a brand on them, which is suboptimal. I probably just got cheap ones. :) [10:55] Heh [10:56] But for me it's always black ink on 1/5/10mm graph paper. [10:56] I'm wondering which is better, ink well or cartridges [10:56] Carts would be a lot cleaner [10:57] brown ink [10:57] morning everyone. [10:58] I used to have a beautiful vibrant blue ink, but one day I just couldn't find it any more. [10:58] fountain pens don't seem to work too well for me, being left-handed [10:59] mungojerry: same as me, iagree, [10:59] unless i wrote hebrew or arabic [10:59] Whats wrong with fountain pens and left-handedness? [10:59] I'm right handed so I don't know.... [10:59] Your hand smudges the ink. :) [10:59] if you write left-to-right you smudge the ink [10:59] ahh [10:59] My dad basically writes upside-down because of that. [10:59] Heh [11:00] nigelb: and the way LHers learn to hold the pen in order to not smudge seesm to mean that you can't write with fountain pens very well, the ink doesn't come out and you scratch the paper instead [11:00] =) [11:00] so that explains why my left-handed friend held the pen almost up-side-down [11:00] It looks quite awkward, but his handwriting is way neater than mine. [11:00] * nigelb waves to s-fox [11:00] Mine style is horrible [11:00] \o [11:00] anyone know where nfs server logs failed access attempts to? [11:00] What is this writing you speak of? and handwriting? :-P [11:01] my handwriting looks like several spiders have walked across th page. [11:01] my mum writes with her right, but can do mirror with her left [11:01] Spooky [11:01] what bigcalm said [11:02] There wwas this old short story about the telegraph operator who could type on 2 machines. one with each hand. [11:02] I am right handed, although when I was 12 I broke my right arm so I used my left. My right arm is mended, but I can still use my left if I concentrate. [11:02] writing is overrated [11:02] at this point, I'd say underrated [11:03] Everyone's slightly lazy to write [11:03] Indeed [11:03] i wonder if we would type any faster if keyboards were invented before the typewriter QWERTY imposed slowdown was in place [11:03] I always keep a pen in my pocket. Writing should never be lost [11:03] I used to keep a pen in my pocket, until I lost a bunch of them. [11:04] Now I just keep the pen in my bag :p [11:04] i only have that opinion because of my advanced human state of lefthandedness ;) [11:04] I always think I have a pen in my pocket, only to find that it's been nicked. [11:04] JamesTait: lol [11:04] I have been burned by leaking ink too many times [11:04] * JamesTait looks at the large ink stain on his trousers. [11:04] i have a chewbacca pen that i take to meetings [11:04] Yeah, me too. [11:04]