[00:00] <HazRPG> shauno: heh, know the feeling
[00:00] <shauno> last time was fine.  they called me at work while she was still stood at the checkout
[00:00] <shauno> they got hold of me before she did, so I could just tell her to try again
[00:01] <HazRPG> shauno: I got my first card just because I wanted to subscribe to broadband ... and to buy stuff online
[00:01]  * popey pokes shauno with -minecraft
[00:01] <popey> shauno: am I right in thinking that's your rail tunnel to the castle?
[00:01] <shauno> aye
[00:01] <popey> cool
[00:01] <popey> mind if we move the exit a bit
[00:01] <popey> ?
[00:01] <popey> to accomodate the new train station
[00:01] <popey> :D
[00:02] <shauno> sure.  I'm all done there
[00:02] <HazRPG> shauno: that was pretty handy then
[00:02] <shauno> my current idea of fun is trying to pull the region files apart with python & edit the world :)
[00:02] <popey> haha
[00:03] <shauno> aided by not knowing python at all
[00:03] <HazRPG> shauno: xD
[00:03] <HazRPG> python isn't hard to pick up in all fairness
[00:04] <directhex> HazRPG, ooh, didn't know about that!
[00:04] <directhex> just added the summer holiday!
[00:04] <HazRPG> just has some annoying quirks though
[00:04] <HazRPG> directhex: guessing you use HSBC then? :P
[00:05] <shauno> I think my main grump at the moment is just how my editor of choice handles the indenting.  it tries to do it for me, and gets it wrong more often than not
[00:05] <directhex> me? nope! course not!
[00:05] <dogmatic69> any good screen captures with gui?
[00:05] <dogmatic69> recordmydesktop seems a bit hard to use
[00:08] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: I usually use screentoaster.com
[00:09] <HazRPG> oh wow, screentoaster seems to be down :o
[00:11] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: ooo, http://www.screencast-o-matic.com/ still seems to work though
[00:11] <dogmatic69> print screen
[00:11] <dogmatic69> sleep
[00:11] <dogmatic69> :D
[00:12] <HazRPG> oh, I thought you meant video
[00:12] <HazRPG> yeah... pressing printscreen already has a gui :)
[00:12] <HazRPG> a feature windows has lacked for years :P
[00:13] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: wait, what is it your trying to do sorry?
[00:14] <dogmatic69> ye i was looking for video, but got hit buy tiredness
[00:16] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: nixiepixie talks about video captures for ubuntu/linux in one of her videos :)
[00:16] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW-ZoKTef_I
[00:17] <dogmatic69> will check it later
[00:17] <dogmatic69> gonna sleep now, later all
[00:17] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: GUVCviewer is the one she uses I think
[00:18] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: worth a watch, cos she explains it better :)
[00:18] <HazRPG> dogmatic69: anyways, nice :)
[00:18] <HazRPG> nite*
[00:22] <HazRPG> just-eat.co.uk has a bad influence one me >_<
[00:28] <shauno> trying he.net's ipv6 tests.  they're making me feel stupid :)
[00:34] <HazRPG> that was weird
[00:35] <HazRPG> shauno: hmm, my knowledge of ipv6 is rather limited
[00:37] <shauno> I'm not doing too bad, but it keeps throwing in questions about windows
[00:37] <shauno> last time I had windows at home it didn't have tcp/ip, let alone 6
[00:45] <HazRPG> ah
[00:53] <Azelphur> http://i.imgur.com/lZd0q.jpg :D
[00:54] <shauno> heh
[00:55] <shauno> having good fun trying to figure out wtf a glue record is.  google's returning a bunch of trash
[00:57] <shauno> I really wish google had a "ignore blogs and forums" option sometimes
[01:01] <ali1234> i think your google is broken
[01:01] <ali1234> mine returns only pages about DNS on the first page of hits
[01:03] <ali1234> http://www.webdnstools.com/dnstools/articles/glue_records
[01:05] <shauno> apparently throwing ipv6 in the query was a red herring, because I mostly got forum posts about who had & hadn't had any luck with their respective registrars
[02:04] <HazRPG> haha, wow, I'm watching the Sinclair vs Acorn rivalry!
[02:04] <HazRPG> on the iplayer
[02:04] <shauno> heh, micromen?
[02:04] <HazRPG> yeah
[02:05] <HazRPG> can't believe I was born of that era and somehow I missed this history lesson
[02:05] <HazRPG> although I owned a Sharp not a BBC/Acorn or Sinclair
[02:05] <directhex> i had a dragon 32
[02:05] <shauno> we had bbc micros at school.  in the late 90s :/
[02:05] <directhex> which was like a tandy coco, but welsher
[02:06] <HazRPG> shauno: heh yeah same
[02:06] <shauno> half decent docu tho.  nice to see the UK side of things
[02:06] <directhex> dramatization.
[02:07] <HazRPG> I don't know why it shocks me, but I always had it to believe that the Americans had the personal computer before us...
[02:07] <shauno> when I grew up the rivalry was more atari vs amiga
[02:07] <ali1234> atari vs commodore you mean
[02:07] <shauno> not really.
[02:07] <HazRPG> shauno: heh I still own an atari :D
[02:08] <shauno> ST vs the amiga.  I never saw commodore as relevant, despite owning the brand
[02:09] <ali1234> thing is, commodore was around when sinclair and acorn were fighting it out, and making much more compelling hardware too
[02:09] <ali1234> which is why they survived into the 16 bit eras while the others faded away
[02:10] <HazRPG> Sharp MZ-700 is what I've got :)
[02:10]  * HazRPG googled it
[02:10] <HazRPG> http://users.ncable.net.au/~stacy/vcomp.html
[02:10] <ali1234> how can it be atari if it's sharp?
[02:11] <HazRPG> oh, I owned an atari too
[02:11] <hamitron> my parents never introduced me to computers, so first ones I saw were when I went to secondary school :/
[02:11] <HazRPG> (2011-03-03 2:05:28 AM) HazRPG: although I owned a Sharp not a BBC/Acorn or Sinclair
[02:11] <HazRPG> hamitron: did you not have one in primary school?
[02:11] <hamitron> no
[02:12] <HazRPG> we made a traffic light program in primary school :)
[02:12] <hamitron> or junior school
[02:12] <hamitron> I was nearly 12 when I had a go on one :)
[02:12] <shauno> we didn't have any in primary school, but not a bad run of 8bit micros at home
[02:13] <hamitron> I had a friend with a Spectrum ZX128 +2
[02:13] <HazRPG> I think most of it was pre-written, because it lit up a traffic-light board that was connected via a serial port of some kind... still my first experience with a computer though :)
[02:13] <hamitron> but he was always trying to load games off it
[02:13] <hamitron> on*
[02:14] <hamitron> I did buy it off him later :)
[02:14]  * HazRPG wonders if is hello world program on his Sharp MZ-700 still exists on tape
[02:14] <HazRPG> s/is/his
[02:15] <shauno> could never stomach spectrums.  had an atari 600 before I ever saw a spectrum, and going from a real keyboard, to that .. 'thing' the speccy had going where each key corresponded to a whole keyword instead of just a character, drove me batty
[02:15] <hamitron> it depended what "mode" you selected
[02:15] <hamitron> didn't it?
[02:16] <shauno> no idea.  never gave it a chance
[02:16] <shauno> felt like such a flimsy toy after my tank of an atari
[02:16] <hamitron> I got a PC shortly after, so I never really learnt much on it
[02:16] <hamitron> still intend to give it a go
[02:16] <hamitron> :)
[02:17] <shauno> little thing the size of an oversized calculator, with horrible rubber keycaps.  bleh.
[02:17] <ali1234> C64 was always the best
[02:18] <shauno> I always thought having a cart slot /and/ a tape deck in the same machine was the best thing since sliced bread.  stayed my favourite until the a500 :)
[02:21] <shauno> one of the cleverest things I saw, was this teach yourself french thing we had.  it had lessons recorded as audio segments on the same tape as the program loaded from
[02:21] <shauno> so it'd load a lesson, start going thru it .. then roll the tape on at the right times so you could listen to the voice with it
[02:22] <HazRPG> shauno: what was that on?
[02:22] <shauno> the atari600
[02:22] <HazRPG> 600 XL?
[02:22] <shauno> yeah
[02:22] <HazRPG> nice :)
[02:23] <shauno> I still think that was multimedia before the term even existed.
[02:23] <hamitron> :)
[02:24] <HazRPG> ali1234: didn't the commodore 64 come in like 3 different models?
[02:24] <ali1234> sure, it was on sale for like 10 years though
[02:24] <HazRPG> I want me a C64
[02:25] <ali1234> http://www.scene.org/file.php?file=/parties/2005/assembly05/oldskool/music/dirty__64_by_reed___fairlight.mp3&fileinfo
[02:26] <HazRPG> ali1234: was that done on the C64? :P
[02:26] <ali1234> yeah
[02:26] <HazRPG> haha nice
[02:26] <ali1234> probably the most impressive thing ever done with one
[02:27] <shauno> people are still using SIDs.  there's even a couple of projects trying to emulate them
[02:27] <HazRPG> SIDs?
[02:27] <shauno> the audio chip in the c64
[02:27] <HazRPG> shauno: ah
[02:28] <HazRPG> shauno: just the sound part, because as far as I know this one is a finished emulator: http://www.ccs64.com/
[02:29] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReSID
[02:29] <ali1234> vice uses it
[02:30] <HazRPG> nice
[02:30] <hamitron> off to bed, cya you lot ;)
[02:31] <shauno> apparently the original is still preferred by purists because some of the sound isn't logic alone.  it's leakages and odd capacitances & stuff that was never actually intended
[02:31] <HazRPG> hamitron: see ya later dude :)
[02:31] <ali1234> then there is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txL9l7fI0P4
[02:33] <HazRPG> haha sweet
[02:34] <HazRPG> shauno: you mean some people prefer to use the actual machine then an emulator?
[02:34] <ali1234> no, they made two versions of the SID chip
[02:35] <HazRPG> ah
[02:35] <shauno> the chips themselves more than the actual c64
[02:35] <shauno> tho I know martin galway's CDs were actually recorded straight of the 64.  not sure if that's just because they could tho
[02:49] <shauno> I really should know better than to start messing with mc 2 hours before I have to be up :/
[03:11] <HazRPG> ali1234: haha I'm using GoatTracker now
[03:11] <HazRPG> didn't realise commodore 64 and SIP emulators existed in the ubuntu repos
[03:12]  * HazRPG is having way too much with this :P
[03:13] <HazRPG> now if only I knew how to save these...
[04:39]  * ball just finished listening to the new UUPC
[04:39] <HazRPG> I keep getting interrupted so I haven't finished listening to the UUPC yet >_<
[05:00] <HazRPG> I want a c64 :(
[05:22] <shauno> sheesh, go to sleep already :p
[05:23] <shauno> every time I see uupc I read uucp and then wonder why people won't let it rest in peace :/
[05:25] <HazRPG> shauno: not a fan of the podcast?
[05:25] <shauno> not that at all.  uucp is a dead tech.  uupc reminds me of the term
[05:26] <HazRPG> oh heh
[05:27] <shauno> I think mostly because the first time I saw the term in here, they were talking about keeping various mirrors in sync, and uucp didn't seem terribly out of context.  just 20 years too late.  took me a while to figure out why I was confused :)
[05:29] <HazRPG> yeah I can see how that would be confusing :P
[05:30] <HazRPG> I've noticed I have to google things a fair amount when reading people on IRC
[05:30] <HazRPG> too many acronyms
[05:30] <shauno> that's not a bad thing.  tech gets terribly dull if you're not learning anything
[05:30] <HazRPG> true
[05:31] <HazRPG> its just harder to find things when your basing what your reading off the acronym
[05:32] <shauno> sometimes it'd be easy to believe unix was written by a guy with one finger.  *everything* is an acronym.
[05:32] <HazRPG> there was one earlier this morning I looked at and and thought "that doesn't make sense" and acronym.com (or similar) just had too many combinations to figure it out :P
[05:34] <HazRPG> ah that was the one!
[05:34] <HazRPG> ABM
[05:34] <shauno> can you imagine how much more obvious the shell would be if it had copy, move, edit, list, instead of cp, mv, ed, ls
[05:34] <HazRPG> http://www.acronymfinder.com/ABM.html
[05:35] <HazRPG> shauno: extremely :P
[05:36] <shauno> and I do believe I'm late for work again.
[05:36] <HazRPG> >_<
[05:36] <HazRPG> oops
[05:37] <shauno> how I manage to do this without even going to bed, I'll never know.  atleast oversleeping makes sense in my head
[05:38] <HazRPG> shauno: I've been trying to work things like that out in my head for years - and my conclusion is usally "ARGH! The internet did it again!"
[06:11] <MartijnVdS> \o
[06:12] <shauno> howdy
[06:12] <shauno> ugh, forgot to detach screen at home
[06:13] <MartijnVdS> screen -rd (or screen -x)
[06:13] <shauno> use -Dr, but I can't remember why the big D.  but it's easy to remember :)
[06:13] <shauno> just a moment of disorientation while I figure out why the window wouldn't resize
[06:14] <MartijnVdS> shauno: -D is a more forceful detach, useful if the other side has a hung pty
[06:20] <shauno> ah well, it works
[06:27] <Myrtti> mornin
[06:31] <Myrtti> WOHHHEEEYYY Gingerbread OTA
[06:32] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: N1?
[06:32] <shauno> oO
[06:32] <Myrtti> yup
[06:32]  * MartijnVdS had his last week
[06:32] <Myrtti> I thought you flashed it
[06:33] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: I have stock firmware, yes
[06:33] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: I upgraded using the official update.zip that downloads OTA as well
[06:33] <Myrtti> well, I'm doing the OTA as we speak
[06:33] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[06:34] <MartijnVdS> I love the new screen-off animation :)
[06:36] <shauno> ah.  now I know what on earth you're talking about :)
[06:37] <MartijnVdS> shauno: OTA = Over-The-Air
[06:39] <shauno> aye, I didn't put together gingerbread = android in my head immediately
[06:39] <shauno> thought it was just a celebration of a fun breakfast
[06:42] <shauno> oh sweet.  just got an email telling me I have to take 51 hours of holiday this month  *rubs hands together*
[06:44]  * MartijnVdS never gets mail like that :/
[06:45] <shauno> our funky shift rotation means we rack up holiday hours faster than we can sensibly dispose of them
[06:47] <Myrtti> I've got seven days to take this month
[06:47] <shauno> I took 10 weeks holiday in 2009, and still 'lost' holiday balance when the year ended in april
[07:05] <Myrtti> hmh.
[07:16] <Myrtti> organizations or organisations?
[07:16] <shauno> z I believe
[07:17] <kazade> o/
[07:18] <Myrtti> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences#-ise.2C_-ize_.28-isation.2C_-ization.29
[07:18] <Myrtti> \o/
[07:18] <shauno> oh dear, this could be fun
[07:22] <shauno> I find wherever I tend towards ~ize, the OED agrees with me.  and that's good enough for me :)
[07:24] <shauno> there's a lot of places where -ize is correct in uk & us english.  and a lot of places where -ise is correct.  the battle over the middle ground seems contentious enough that people assume everything with -ize is 'the american way' and start making a mess
[07:38] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning earthlings. Just received quite a funny email from my local GP (and mate in the pub). danfish would probably like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/574852/
[07:50] <hoover> mornin
[08:25] <DJones> Morning
[08:29] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: I've just sent that joke to my wife who works for the NHS, I'll let you know what her reaction is, if I get thumped though, I'm blaming you
[08:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> What's it mean in a crontab when all five timers are set to *?
[08:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Every tick?
[08:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Every minute I guess. As that's the smallest interval?
[08:32] <shauno> I'd assume every minute too.  not sure I'd try it tho
[08:33] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: Does this have an answer on it? http://www.pantz.org/software/cron/croninfo.html
[08:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah. Thanks. It confirms my assumption. First example.
[08:35] <DJones> Thats what I was looking at, thought thats what it was suggesting
[08:43] <tugrik> what job do you have running every minute TheOpenSourcerer ?
[08:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> I don't - I am reviewing a book for Packt and wanted to check on the advice being given.
[08:46] <danfish> g'morning
[08:46]  * danfish catches up
[08:48] <danfish> very good TheOpenSourcerer :)
[08:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-)
[08:49] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: Just thought, there should be another line in that joke, "The dentists could see the holes in the plans"
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Feel free to fork it DJones ;-)
[08:49] <DJones> Heh
[08:50] <danfish> DJones: nah - "the dentists commented on the decay of the NHS" ;)
[08:50] <DJones> danfish: Even better
[08:53] <dwatkins> hi folks
[08:54] <Obtuse> Morning.
[08:59] <danfish> o/
[09:03] <danfish> someone please remind me why I gave myself sudo privileges on this VPS?
[09:04] <danfish> in a moment of fat fingered typing I've just deleted half of a website :(
[09:07] <danfish> czajkows1i: yeh got us at the cricket /o\
[09:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> danfish - just restore from your backup ;-)
[09:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkows1i: I do not want to hear about the paddies and cricket. It should never have happened. Who let them play anyway?
[09:10] <Nafallo> popey: uupc mirror synced, and sync script fixed.
[09:10] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: what is this 'backup' thing you talk about?
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> danfish: Google is your friend http://lmgtfy.com/?q=What+is+a+backup%3F ;-)
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just got to go and reboot - kernel update this morning.
[09:20]  * danfish restores from crashplan and all is well in the world
[09:21] <shauno> I think the only suitable response is for england to put a decent hurling team together ;)
[09:26] <danfish> or send in the armed forces to steal all the potatoes and cabbage. Oops, forgot, our armed forces currrently comprise an air rifle, a ww1 biplane and Keith Chegwin :P
[09:28]  * shauno ponders how much it'd cost to mail you all the cabbage he can find
[09:38] <danfish> shauno: no tx - I've got some on the go in the garden as it is
[09:43] <Obtuse> Would sending Keith Chegwin not constitute a war crime or something?
[09:47] <directhex> Obtuse, only if he does another show naked
[09:50] <popey> morning all
[09:50] <bigcalm> Hi popey
[09:52] <nigelb> Morning :)
[09:54] <shauno> did everyone just wake up to a naked keith chegwin?  somehow I don't think that one should be /topic'd
[09:55] <Obtuse> Oh feck.. that's a mental image that'll ruin the rest of the my morning!
[09:56] <Myrtti> *cough*
[09:56] <kazade> morning everyone
[09:56]  * kazade is angry about the BSkyB whitewash :/
[09:56] <kazade_> hmm, my angry aura killed my wifi :)
[09:56] <shauno> did a double-take to make sure sky aren't your isp ;)
[09:56] <kazade> :)
[09:57] <kazade> grr, the whole thing was such a set up
[09:57] <kazade> I wrote to my MP a while ago, he told me to mind my own business
[09:57] <kazade> "Jeremy knows what he's doing"
[09:57] <kazade> bring on AV, that's all I'm saying
[09:57] <directhex> mp for life, out of interest?
[09:58] <kazade> directhex, how'd you guess...
[09:58] <Obtuse> Sickening isn't it.
[09:58] <JamesTait> Bon matin!
[09:58] <directhex> kazade, my mp has been mp here for longer than i've existed
[09:58] <Obtuse> I've moved from a Lib Dem MP who cared to a Tory minister who clearly doesn't.
[09:58] <kazade> directhex, apparently we live in a democracy - hah
[09:59] <Obtuse> I can see myself spending a lot of time on that writetothem.com site!
[09:59] <Baikonur> democracy isn't any good anyway
[10:00] <JamesTait> Was it Winston Churchill who said "Democracy is the worst form of Government, except for all the others"?
[10:03] <gord> no, thats the guy that says "oooooohhh yes!"
[10:03] <Obtuse> I'd be lying if I said there weren't lots of people I didn't think should vote :)
[10:03] <kazade> :)
[10:03] <Obtuse> You only have to walk through the city centre on a Friday night to see a load of them.
[10:04] <Obtuse> But if it's "We all have a vote or none of us have a vote" then I'd rather we all did.
[10:04] <kazade> Obtuse, I'd also rather that our votes actually counted for something
[10:04] <kazade> unlike now when only a small proportion of people's votes count for anything
[10:08] <Obtuse> Agreed. I'm not sure I agree with PR, as I think the constituency link is a good thing (tm), but some form of AV seems a good plan. I'd like to think that each returned MP had the backing of at least 50% of the voters.
[10:09] <Obtuse> I keep being told it's terrible and will cause us to have coalitions endlessly in future, but I am not at all sure I dislike that idea. If it's provides more checks and balances... perhaps slightly more than currently.
[10:10] <BigRedS> I'm a tad concerned it's a change for not quite what anybody really wants, and will just be used as a "look, we tried electoral reform, it didn't work."
[10:10] <danfish> I want to create a dictatorship
[10:10] <danfish> it will be called fishland
[10:10] <BigRedS> But I really don't think the particular way the votes are counted is what's wrong with the parliament
[10:11] <Obtuse> It's the people in it? :)
[10:11] <JamesTait> +1 to that. :)
[10:11] <shauno> perhaps the sensible way to deal with 'lifers' is simply term limits
[10:12] <BigRedS> part of the issue is the short-termness of everything, though
[10:12] <BigRedS> *nothing* is thought through beyond the next election
[10:12] <Obtuse> I can see why.
[10:13] <Obtuse> If you had to reapply for your job every 4 or 5 years you'd be pretty focused on getting it back from at least half way through.
[10:13] <danfish> I have mixed feeling about the current bunch - they've slashed public services but are make good noises (and some actions) wrt open source software
[10:13] <Obtuse> There's an old adage about the police, but I think it applies to politics too, that the same sort of people you would never want being policemen are exactly the sort of people that become one.
[10:15] <directhex> Obtuse, i'm not sure people understand coalitions
[10:15] <BigRedS> Obtuse: I've only heard that about politicians
[10:15] <bigcalm> Borris Johnson == Zaphod Beebolbrox?
[10:16] <directhex> still a lot of "lib dems broke all their promises!" stuff going on when they control 1/7 of the govt - and that doesn't include the treasury
[10:17] <BigRedS> I think the consternation is them supportign things they said they opposed
[10:17] <BigRedS> rather than just the fact that, as a coalition, it's basically the tories
[10:17] <JamesTait> BigRedS: Yeah, and things they said they would continue to oppose even in a coalition, I think.
[10:17] <Obtuse> BigRedS: Haha, I'd only heard it about the police :)
[10:18] <directhex> BigRedS, the average complaint isn't that sophisticated
[10:18] <Obtuse> directhex: Most other European countries have coalitions as I understand it... and not all of them are Italy :)
[10:18] <directhex> BigRedS, i think they're doing a LOT of trading of promises - i.e. supporting entirely tory measures to get their way on a few things
[10:18] <BigRedS> directhex: most of the noise I heard was about the student fees, which is quite an easy one
[10:18] <directhex> Obtuse, yeah, but johnny foreigner has nothing to teach the glorious empire
[10:19] <BigRedS> directhex: yeah, but one of 'their' things is AV, for example, but I thought AV was one of the 'solutions' they'd specifically ruled out?
[10:19] <BigRedS> Must admit, I've got tremendously bored of following it, recently. It's just depressing...
[10:19] <directhex> BigRedS, AV is the second worst system for electing MPs "fairly"
[10:20] <kazade> directhex, FPTP worst?
[10:20] <Obtuse> It's relentless bad news at the moment it seems. Must be no fun being in politics at the moment.
[10:20] <popey> ahem
[10:20] <directhex> ALSO UBUNTU IS GREAT
[10:21] <kazade> :D
[10:21]  * kazade realizes he started this then disappeared
[10:22] <shauno> once the ball is rolling, probably the smartest move
[10:22] <bigcalm> popey: would you recomend #! over unr for the eeepc?
[10:22] <popey> yes
[10:23] <kazade> yeah, I'm not gonna make a habit of start conversations like that one... So, how about those crazy Christians eh?
[10:23] <bigcalm> Easy to install?
[10:23] <popey> i run it on an eee 900
[10:23] <kazade> ;)
[10:23] <popey> kazade: +1
[10:23] <popey> :)
[10:24] <BigRedS> q
[10:24] <BigRedS> gah
[10:25] <BigRedS> Terminator's not focussing how it used to, I'm sure
[10:26] <Ng> click vs sloppy?
[10:27] <BigRedS> it's sloppy, which is what it's supposed to be
[10:27] <BigRedS> but I also do alt+arrow a lot, and sometimes that goes somewhere I'm not expecting it to
[10:28] <BigRedS> I might've just confused it with a chain of opening and closing panes, I suppose
[10:42] <shauno> I thought filling in 150 rows in a html table was going to be mind-numbing.  and then I discovered the wiki formatting.  suddenly 150 rows of html has green grass.
[10:44] <bigcalm> Anybody here use a fountain pen in their day to day work?
[10:45]  * popey points bigcalm at dutchie 
[10:45] <bigcalm> I tend to make a lot of notes and would like to have something special again instead of a 3 quid Pentel gel pen
[10:46]  * bigcalm starts to imagine dutchie wearing a ruff and using a quil
[10:46] <popey> thats about right!
[10:47] <bigcalm> From school, I remember fountain pens being cheep and scratchy. Would be nice to have something smooth/fluid/comfortable
[10:48] <JamesTait> bigcalm: I do.
[10:48] <bigcalm> JamesTait: any recomendations?
[10:49] <bigcalm> House of Fraiser has a pen counter, might go there and try some
[10:49] <JamesTait> bigcalm: That's quite a tough one for me actually. I use a wooden fountain pen that my wife bought me as an anniversary gift, but it's really smooth.
[10:50] <JamesTait> I'd say keep it clean, use it regularly and give it a little while to wear to the way you hold your pen.
[10:51]  * bigcalm nods
[10:51] <bigcalm> What about inks?
[10:51] <JamesTait> If it helps, it says "Iridium point" on it. :)
[10:51] <bigcalm> My boss goes for a vert perticular shade of brown
[10:51] <bigcalm> s/vert/very/
[10:52] <JamesTait> Black for me. I don't recall the manufacturer though.
[10:52]  * JamesTait goes to check the bag of cartridges.
[10:53] <bigcalm> Ah, you use cartridges insead of a pot you suck it up from with the nib?
[10:53] <Laney> I found being left handed and using fountain pens to be incompatible :'(
[10:54] <JamesTait> These days, yes. I used to have the one with the lever, but with two young boys around it was a little less than practical.
[10:54] <JamesTait> They tend to want to squirt the ink around...
[10:54] <bigcalm> Hehe
[10:54] <bigcalm> Images of comic books fill my mind
[10:55] <JamesTait> The cartridges actually don't have a brand on them, which is suboptimal. I probably just got cheap ones. :)
[10:55] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:56] <JamesTait> But for me it's always black ink on 1/5/10mm graph paper.
[10:56] <bigcalm> I'm wondering which is better, ink well or cartridges
[10:56] <bigcalm> Carts would be a lot cleaner
[10:57] <Myrtti> brown ink
[10:57] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[10:58] <JamesTait> I used to have a beautiful vibrant blue ink, but one day I just couldn't find it any more.
[10:58] <mungojerry> fountain pens don't seem to work too well for me, being left-handed
[10:59] <brobostigon> mungojerry: same as me, iagree,
[10:59] <mungojerry> unless i wrote hebrew or arabic
[10:59] <nigelb> Whats wrong with fountain pens and left-handedness?
[10:59] <nigelb> I'm right handed so I don't know....
[10:59] <JamesTait> Your hand smudges the ink. :)
[10:59] <BigRedS> if you write left-to-right you smudge the ink
[10:59] <nigelb> ahh
[10:59] <JamesTait> My dad basically writes upside-down because of that.
[10:59] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:00] <mungojerry> nigelb: and the way LHers learn to hold the pen in order to not smudge seesm to mean that you can't write with fountain pens very well, the ink doesn't come out and you scratch the paper instead
[11:00] <s-fox> =)
[11:00] <nigelb> so that explains why my left-handed friend held the pen almost up-side-down
[11:00] <JamesTait> It looks quite awkward, but his handwriting is way neater than mine.
[11:00]  * nigelb waves to s-fox 
[11:00] <bigcalm> Mine style is horrible
[11:00] <s-fox> \o
[11:00] <danfish> anyone know where nfs server logs failed access attempts to?
[11:00] <nigelb> What is this writing you speak of? and handwriting? :-P
[11:01] <brobostigon> my handwriting looks like several spiders have walked across th page.
[11:01] <Myrtti> my mum writes with her right, but can do mirror with her left
[11:01] <bigcalm> Spooky
[11:01] <nigelb> what bigcalm said
[11:02] <nigelb> There wwas this old short story about the telegraph operator who could type on 2 machines. one with each hand.
[11:02] <s-fox> I am right handed, although when I was 12 I broke my right arm so I used my left.  My right arm is mended, but I can still use my left if I concentrate.
[11:02] <mungojerry> writing is overrated
[11:02] <nigelb> at this point, I'd say underrated
[11:03] <nigelb> Everyone's slightly lazy to write
[11:03] <bigcalm> Indeed
[11:03] <mungojerry> i wonder if we would type any faster if keyboards were invented before the typewriter QWERTY imposed slowdown was in place
[11:03] <bigcalm> I always keep a pen in my pocket. Writing should never be lost
[11:03] <nigelb> I used to keep a pen in my pocket, until I lost a bunch of them.
[11:04] <nigelb> Now I just keep the pen in my bag :p
[11:04] <mungojerry> i only have that opinion because of my advanced human state of lefthandedness ;)
[11:04] <JamesTait> I always think I have a pen in my pocket, only to find that it's been nicked.
[11:04] <nigelb> JamesTait: lol
[11:04] <Laney> I have been burned by leaking ink too many times
[11:04]  * JamesTait looks at the large ink stain on his trousers.
[11:04] <mungojerry> i have a chewbacca pen that i take to meetings
[11:04] <JamesTait> Yeah, me too.
[11:04] <nigelb> I haven't used a fountain pen in a long while
[11:04] <bigcalm> JamesTait: heh. If somebody borrows my pen, I keep my eyes on them until I get it back
[11:05] <nigelb> I never do that, that's why I keep losing mine
[11:05] <brobostigon> natty is really stablilising out, also the graphics (intel) have stabolised out abit, not many graphics artifacts anymore.
[11:05] <bigcalm> The fountain pen would stay on my desk I think
[11:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Dave Morris] Improving my C++ - http://davemorris.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/improving-my-c/
[11:05] <mungojerry> nobody steals a chewbacca pen and claims it as their own...it's like owning a pink bike
[11:05] <Myrtti> I've got a fuchsia pen with glitter and feathers
[11:05] <nigelb> But I have this big pen which makes it look embarassing to keep in a pocket.  That one gets returned to me after use ;)
[11:05] <bigcalm> Myrtti: :D
[11:05] <Laney> actually I think I generally prefer writing in pencil
[11:05] <nigelb> Myrtti: That's a nice tactic to make sure your pen comes back to you ;)
[11:06] <nigelb> Laney: heh, very old fashioned :)
[11:07] <nigelb> I guess what most of us use to write these days is whiteboard markers
[11:09] <screen-x> morning :)
[11:09] <bigcalm> Morning screen-x
[11:09]  * bigcalm wonders where the postman is
[11:10] <screen-x> bigcalm: still no nibbles?
[11:10] <bigcalm> No :(
[11:11] <screen-x> bigcalm: you must be doing well out of the graze late delivery thing
[11:11] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:11] <bigcalm> There is that
[11:16] <screen-x> bigcalm: 9.5 We reserve the right to cancel your membership if it becomes apparent that, in our sole opinion, the postal service in your area is too unreliable. <-- Maybe cant make too many claims..
[11:16] <bigcalm> screen-x: I don't abuse it
[11:16] <bigcalm> I tend to use it to let them know that they need to stop using royalmail
[11:27] <davmor2> morning all
[11:27] <popey> lo
[11:29] <bigcalm> Maybe it's time to really cancel graze
[11:29]  * bigcalm sighs
[11:30] <gord> i ended up moving my day that i get graze to a day where i generally get post
[11:32] <bigcalm> Ok, I'll move it to Tuesday for now
[11:32] <mungojerry> what is graze?
[11:32] <bigcalm> Also going to give 'eatwellbox' a try
[11:32] <gord> i miss fruit :(
[11:32] <bigcalm> mungojerry: http://graze.com # enter YQHBHH5 for a free box :)
[11:33] <popey> ~
[11:33] <popey> bah
[11:33] <bigcalm> popey: :P
[11:33] <mungojerry> basically it's food in the post?
[11:33] <bigcalm> Yes
[11:33] <mungojerry> lol
[11:33] <popey> mine is on saturday
[11:33] <Ng> mungojerry: graze is fruit and nuts for people who don't go to shops that already sell fruit and nuts ;)
[11:33] <popey> penfold, shush
[11:33] <mungojerry> a bit like http://www.abelandcole.co.uk/
[11:33] <bigcalm> Haha
[11:33]  * Ng notes that every wickle supermarket he goes into sells bags of fruit and nuts right by the checkout ;)
[11:34] <gord> working from home, i have justification!
[11:34] <bigcalm> If we were to buy by the bag, we'd eat too much
[11:34] <bigcalm> Same here
[11:34] <Ng> but it's cooler if it arrives in an earthy cardboard box from a hippy-sounding brand ;)
[11:34]  * mungojerry looks in his desk drawer...bourbon biccies and monster munch and chocolate
[11:34] <bigcalm> :O
[11:34]  * mungojerry looks in his bag...apple and orange :)
[11:34] <bigcalm> What flavor monster munch?
[11:34] <bigcalm> Flavour
[11:34] <mungojerry> 10 packs of roast beef, pickle onion and flaming hot
[11:35] <brobostigon> :)
[11:35] <mungojerry> the nostalgia effect of MM is too much
[11:35] <mungojerry> i also eat frazzles but i kind of OD'd on them
[11:35] <bigcalm> That's why it still sells
[11:35] <mungojerry> and the fact the walkers crisps give me mouth ulcers, unless i eat sensations
[11:36] <popey> mmmm frazzles
[11:36] <bigcalm> I tend not to eat crisps any more
[11:36] <bigcalm> Or snack at all really
[11:36] <mungojerry> don't nuts just give you wind?
[11:36]  * popey cant help but think of Myrtti when people mention crisps
[11:36] <popey> lol, no
[11:36] <mungojerry> hmm
[11:36] <bigcalm> Bloody wrists are loosing weight more quikcly thank my belly :(
[11:37] <bigcalm> s/thank/than
[11:37] <mungojerry> alpen, peanuts, anything remotely nutty causes serious issues!
[11:37] <mungojerry> otherwise i'd munch on that stuff all day long ...covered in chocolate of course
[11:37] <mungojerry> mmm peanut M&Ms
[11:37] <brobostigon> mungojerry: anything remotly nutty fires my allergies off, and messes with my immunesystem.
[11:39]  * mungojerry can't eat anything containing chilli either :(
[11:39] <mungojerry> causes serious issues :(
[11:39]  * brobostigon loves chilli :)
[11:39]  * brobostigon hugs mungojerry 
[11:39] <mungojerry> me too. food is no fun  without it
[11:39] <mungojerry> mrs MJ needs to test my food at buffets etc
[11:39] <mungojerry> ;P
[11:40] <mungojerry> i can still eat some chicken tikka masala though..the y don't always contain chilli
[11:40] <brobostigon> ah,
[11:41] <mungojerry> dietary requirements suck
[11:42] <brobostigon> especially when it my allergies, and theymess with my immune system.
[11:42] <mungojerry> brobostigon:  what are you allergic to?
[11:44] <brobostigon> mungojerry: you name it, dairy, fish, shell fish, somekinds of acid fruit and veg, nuts, all artificial fabrics and all artificial food colours and preservitives, thats a start.
[11:44] <mungojerry> since birth, or more recently?
[11:44] <brobostigon> since birth.
[11:44] <mungojerry> sucks :(
[11:44] <brobostigon> oh, i forgot eggs.
[11:45] <brobostigon> and that dodgy preservitive, some companies STILL put in beer, and are allowed to. :(
[11:45] <mungojerry> lager or ale?
[11:45]  * screen-x is allergic to lyx
[11:46] <brobostigon> both.
[11:46] <brobostigon> mungojerry: its a chemical.
[11:46] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: isn't "lyx" pronounces "Lice"
[11:46] <mungojerry> ethanol :P
[11:47] <brobostigon> mungojerry: no, haha. i justhave to be careful whatbeers i have,
[11:47] <bigcalm> mungojerry: home brew :D
[11:47] <mungojerry> 2 beers at my old local used to give you a massive headache
[11:47] <mungojerry> we used to blame it on the pipes not getting cleaned or something
[11:47] <bigcalm> EPA gives me massive wind
[11:47] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: I thought it was pronounced "lick" as laytex is pronounced "laytech"
[11:47] <mungojerry> needless to say, it wasn't my local for long
[11:49] <brobostigon> the uk needs a law like this,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot , then there wouldnt be anyproblems anymore.
[11:49] <shauno> no they don't :/
[11:49] <brobostigon> we do.
[11:50] <shauno> you make it illegal to put honey in ale, and you'll make me really sad.
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> shauno: You should try meade ;)
[11:50] <brobostigon> i will make it illegal to put dodgy chemicals in ale.
[11:50] <mungojerry> becks and lowenbrau give/gave me headaches
[11:50] <MartijnVdS> mead*
[11:51] <mungojerry> i had to stop drinking beer because my body suddenly didn't like it anymore
[11:51] <shauno> MartijnVdS: I make mead :)
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> shauno: ah, so you've tried it :P
[11:51] <brobostigon> mungojerry: not good, :(
[11:51] <shauno> mostly because I'm lazy, and it's a whole lot less complicated than beer
[11:51] <mungojerry> corona would give massive stomach upset all of a sudden
[11:52] <shauno> heat it, cool it, add yeast, and try your best to leave it alone for as long as you can.
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> shauno: hm, sounds like something I could do even :)
[11:53] <mungojerry> anyone use gpodder? Ubuntu UK podcast not appearing in the feed even though http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/feed/ in the broser shows it
[11:53] <shauno> it is amazingly simple.  the only difficult bits are cleaning the kitchen first, and resisting temptation for 6-12 months
[11:55] <shauno> (if you're built like me, moving 5 gallons around the house can be 'entertaining' too)
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I have two beer brewing brothers
[11:56] <popey> mungojerry: ooo, let me have a look
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> shauno: does it need heat, or just "not excessively cold"
[11:56] <mungojerry> popey:  S04E00 is there
[11:56] <mungojerry> not 01 though
[11:56] <popey> http://feeds.feedburner.com/UbuntuUkPodcastOgg-high
[11:56] <popey> http://feeds.feedburner.com/UbuntuUkPodcastMp3-high
[11:56] <popey> http://feeds.feedburner.com/UbuntuUkPodcastMp3-low
[11:56] <popey> http://feeds.feedburner.com/UbuntuUkPodcastMp3-low
[11:56] <popey> use one/all of those
[11:57] <shauno> MartijnVdS: it keeps about room temperature.  cold won't hurt it, but will slow it down
[11:57] <mungojerry> popey: mp3-high is working, thanks
[11:57] <mungojerry> weird...
[11:57] <shauno> I have a little dangly heater thing that goes in mine so I don't have to remember to heat the house in the winter
[11:58] <mungojerry> popey: worth being aware of since gpodder is quite popular..even deleting the podcast and re-adding for http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/feed/ didn't work
[11:59] <popey> why did you add that feed?
[11:59] <popey> its not one thats listed on the site
[11:59] <mungojerry> really? :(
[12:00] <mungojerry> popey: even since early last season?
[12:01] <mungojerry> maybe i was just being a numpty and guessed it
[12:01] <popey> :)
[12:01] <popey> well, the bummer is the browser will offer that as an rss feed
[12:02] <popey> thats never been one of the feeds we've advertised though
[12:03] <mungojerry> i guess that's what happened
[12:03] <popey> not sure how to fix that
[12:03] <popey> i could grep the logs for that url and see if many people use it
[12:04] <mungojerry> i'm on static IP if that helps
[12:04] <mungojerry> although most other episodes appear so it is mostly working ;)
[12:04] <screen-x> popey: piwik \o/
[12:04]  * mungojerry wonders if he missed any others :(
[12:07] <screen-x> also should be reasonably easy to hack link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="Ubuntu Podcast from the UK LoCo team RSS Feed" href="http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/feed/" />
[12:07] <screen-x> out of the template..
[12:09] <shauno> does feedburner not pull from there?
[12:12] <popey> no
[12:12] <popey> it pulls from /category/<format>-<quality>/feed/
[12:14] <popey> screen-x: i suspect that the link rel is generated and would break for the other feeds if we mangled it
[12:14] <shauno> golden.  I wouldn't hack wordpress up, just screw with the mod_rewrite rules a bit to point /feed/ at a specific category
[12:14] <popey> hmm
[12:14] <popey> we did used to do something like that
[12:15] <popey> if people came directly to the category feeds, we redirected to feedburner :)
[12:15] <shauno> or easier yet.  just make /feed/ exist
[12:16] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/574949/
[12:16] <popey> thats what we used to do
[12:16] <popey> it does exist :)
[12:17] <shauno> really? most of wordpress's paths don't exist on the filesystem
[12:17] <popey> \o/ fixed
[12:17] <popey> ok, i had a different understanding of "exist" :)
[12:17] <popey> but its fixed now :)
[12:18] <popey> mungojerry: can you test that original feed again?
[12:18] <shauno> cool.
[12:18] <mungojerry> sure...2 secs
[12:18] <shauno> rewrite's easier to futz with because it won't explode next time you need to update wordpress :)
[12:18] <mungojerry> popey:  \o/ huzzah
[12:18] <popey> :)
[12:19] <popey> my fault entirely, sorry
[12:19] <mungojerry> thanks. although i will behave and use mp3-high from now on :)
[12:19] <popey> well, /feed/ gets you the ogg high :)
[12:19] <popey> so up to you really :)
[12:20] <gord> hum, could you upgrade an old ubuntu release from one release to the next using just the alternate/install cd's? i forget
[12:20] <popey> yes
[12:20] <directhex> alternate? yes
[12:20] <directhex> use apt-cdrom
[12:20] <gord> someone linked me to a youtube video of someone upgrading from msdos 5 through windows 1 -> windows 7, has me curious :)
[12:21] <mungojerry> popey: wow, ogg high is 50% size of mp3 high?
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> gord: try Ubuntu 4.10 -> 11.04 :)
[12:21] <gord> MartijnVdS, thats the plan
[12:22] <screen-x> gord: and save VM snapshots along the way, may come in handy.
[12:22] <kieran> afternoon all :))
[12:23] <screen-x> so it is.. afternoon kieran
[12:26]  * TheOpenSourcerer is getting annoyed replying to incorrect statements on the mailing list. Thinks about moar coffee.
[12:27]  * DJones notices that there is a -uk meeting tonight
[12:28] <gord> TheOpenSourcerer, is it in that thread that is so large that the subject line goes outside of the bounds of its field when threading is enabled? because i generally stay the hell away from that kind of thing ;)
[12:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> gord: "Re: Strange file sharing problem"
[12:28] <popey> mungojerry: good isnt it :)
[12:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> DJones: Thanks for that reminder. Someone is chairing it
[12:29]  * popey points gord and MartijnVdS at http://people.canonical.com/~kirkland/Museum/
[12:29]  * DJones assumes that the someone is TheOpenSourcerer 
[12:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> I was sure I put an event in the calendar for that... But it aint there.
[12:31] <screen-x> Does anyone maintain a google calendar for -uk irc meetings?
[12:34] <popey> no, but the podcast has one
[12:35] <popey> we could add meetings to that
[12:35] <caulkz> anyone personally recommend a webcam for windows7 and ubuntu maverick ??
[12:35] <popey> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/calendar/
[12:35] <popey> caulkz: logitech pro 9000
[12:35] <caulkz> cheers alan
[12:36] <popey> np
[12:36] <caulkz> cost?
[12:37] <caulkz> soz, just googled lol
[12:37] <popey> caulkz: http://popey.me/eH0jMj
[12:37] <popey> :)
[12:37] <screen-x> ahah
[12:37] <screen-x> popey never misses an opportunity ;-)
[12:37] <caulkz> you nerd LOLz
[12:37] <popey> :)
[12:39] <popey> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=160209
[12:39] <popey> ooo
[12:40] <caulkz> bk
[12:40] <directhex> popey, zomglol?
[12:40] <caulkz> changed clients :/
[12:40] <caulkz> omfg?? lol
[12:42] <directhex> tag=sapstuffcom08 ?
[12:43] <popey> tis me
[12:43] <caulkz> bought a sphere mp a few yrs back, now logitech refuses to support it - cost me £80 damn it :/
[12:43] <screen-x> I guessed so, but private whois ;-)
[12:43] <popey> expired domain
[12:44] <shauno> that makes "Registrar: Internet.bs Corp." slightly more entertaining
[12:45] <popey> ha
[12:46] <caulkz> byee
[12:50] <BigRedS> anyone know of a non-xorg.conf way of disabling middle-click paste?
[13:00] <shauno> xmodmap should be able to do mouse buttons
[13:01] <shauno> with your non-xorg.conf restriction, I'd probably start there, or with a soldering iron
[13:01] <screen-x> I was poking around in ccsm, but got distracted by various effects.
[13:02] <shauno> dunno if you could tell it not to use m3 for paste, but you could tell it that m3 is really m4, so it's free to bind to something else
[13:03] <brobostigon> is there a way, for me to tether my android to my n800 via bluetooth, so i can use my internet from my android onmy n800. if that mkes sense.
[13:03] <popey> brobostigon: why via bluetooth and not wifi?
[13:04] <brobostigon> popey: my g1 cant be a wifi hotspot, justwont do it,
[13:04] <kazade> BigRedS, this doesn't use xorg.conf.. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Input#Example:%20Disabling%20middle-mouse%20button%20paste%20on%20a%20scrollwheel%20mouse
[13:04] <popey> odd
[13:04] <popey> brobostigon: what version of android?
[13:04] <brobostigon> popey: 2.2.1
[13:04] <popey> i thought wifi sharing was an option in 2.2?
[13:05] <brobostigon> popey: i cant see nor find an option to do it,
[13:06]  * popey gets his hero out
[13:07] <kazade> brobostigon, try searching the market for "barnacle tether"
[13:08] <popey> or anetshare
[13:08] <popey> chaps...
[13:08] <popey> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/calendar/
[13:08] <brobostigon> popey: no matches, on market search.
[13:09] <popey> can you see the loco meeting in that calendar?
[13:09] <screen-x> yep :)
[13:09] <screen-x> thanks :)
[13:09] <brobostigon> kazade: found that,
[13:13] <BigRedS> kazade: whoop! Thanks!
[13:14] <screen-x> popey: with that and teh ical feed from the loco directory, calendaring is sorted :)
[13:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: The map link is broken though http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en-GB&q=%23ubuntu-uk-meeting%20on%20Freenode%20IRC ;-)
[13:16]  * screen-x imagines streetview for irc
[13:18]  * brobostigon gets kazade a beer, :)
[13:20] <popey> haha
[13:25] <popey> fixed TheOpenSourcerer :)
[13:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: That's not a fix, that's a redaction ;-)
[13:28] <popey> :D
[13:28] <popey> patches welcome
[13:28] <popey> oh, hang on
[13:31] <brobostigon> yay, wifi tethering if working, :)
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> "What is it that a man may call the greatest things in life?"
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> - "Hot water, good dentishtry and shoft lavatory paper."
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> -- Cohen the Barbarian in conversation with Discworld nomads (Terry Pratchett, The Light Fantastic)
[13:42] <gord> apple really have a run for their money these days huh http://images.tipb.com/images/stories/2011/03/ipad_2_xoom_optimus-pad_galaxy-tab_touchpad_playbook_specs.jpg
[13:45] <shauno> apparently 90% of the market don't care so much about specs
[13:46] <popey> gord. no.
[13:49] <directhex> shauno, yep!
[13:56] <shauno> I think it's fair to say I don't like Excel :(
[13:57] <shauno> they've even hidden the About box to make googling more difficult.
[14:04] <AlanBell> screen-x: popey there is a loco teams calendar too http://ubuntu-news.org/calendars/loco/
[14:05] <popey> indeed
[14:05] <screen-x> AlanBell: and http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-uk/ical
[14:09] <AlanBell> ETOOMANYCALENDARS
[14:10]  * DJones read that as Too many candles and wondered whose birthday it was
[14:11] <AlanBell> DJones: on Saturday TheOpenSourcerer will have an ETOOMANYCANDLES error
[14:14] <DJones> AlanBell: Oh Dear, I won't ask the number of candles, but I suspect I'm only a handful at most behind him
[14:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> I will be expecting 46 Candles :-)
[14:15] <bigcalm> Is that in hex?
[14:15] <bigcalm> ;)
[14:19] <MadLeomon> <_< I probably got this wrong but I'm thinking that would be 70 if converted back to something decimal based
[14:23] <bigcalm> I'd be pleased in a geeky way if I were to get a cake with 20 candles on it this year
[14:23] <bigcalm> But as I'm the only geek in the village^Whouse, the amusement would be lost in the explination
[14:24] <bigcalm> :|
[14:25] <mungojerry> bigcalm: or a cake like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/beelzebozo/2125919810/
[14:26] <bigcalm> Hehe, cute
[14:26] <mungojerry> lol or this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyberslayer/216346251/
[14:27] <nigelb> oh, cute cakes :)
[14:27] <gord> good article :) https://lwn.net/Articles/430686/ (for those that have lwn accounts)
[14:27] <bigcalm> HAha
[14:35] <popey> that is excellent
[14:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> DO NOT BUY ME CAKE.
[14:36] <nigelb> once in a while I use lwn
[14:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Buy me Curry or Beer.
[14:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-)
[14:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> On that note must dash.
[14:38] <shauno> hopefully there'll be pics of how many candles you manage to fit in a curry
[14:39] <mungojerry> lwn is the website design from the 90s
[14:39] <nigelb> gord: that was a good read :)
[14:39] <nigelb> mungojerry: lwn isn't not about how it looks ;)
[14:40] <nigelb> think baout reddit design :p
[14:40] <nigelb> *about
[14:40] <mungojerry> nigelb: however i always think i'm reading an out of date article
[14:40] <nigelb> mungojerry: lol
[14:40] <gord> yeah, honestly, i prefer websites that look like that
[14:40] <nigelb> gord: same here
[14:40] <nigelb> too much flashy can get irritating
[14:40] <mungojerry> anyone subscribe to paper magazines?
[14:41] <mungojerry> i have a monthly sub to  linux  magazine
[14:41] <nigelb> I don't subscribe, but I buy often
[14:41] <bigcalm> I have a subscription to cosmo (for my gf)
[14:43] <gord> i don't like paper magazines, they clutter up the place. get a few subscriptions on my kindle though
[14:43] <bigcalm> I used to subscribe to MicroUser and then AcornUser
[14:44] <daubers> Afternoon
[14:44] <bigcalm> Morning
[14:45]  * daubers eats lunch
[14:45] <bigcalm> popey: have you noticed that your upload bandwidth has increased?
[14:45] <popey> hmm
[14:46] <popey> how would I know?
[14:46] <bigcalm> Just checked and I'm getting a smidgin under 2mbs
[14:46] <bigcalm> speedtest.net
[14:46] <popey> I am not at home :)
[14:46] <daubers> They lie!
[14:46] <popey> will try tonight
[14:46] <bigcalm> Well then :P
[14:46] <popey> i might rsync something somewhere to test it
[14:46] <bigcalm> I don't recall having that much upload bandwidth before
[14:46] <popey> like minecraft maps :)
[14:47] <bigcalm> daubers: it's a good estimate
[14:47] <daubers> bigcalm: ISPs prioritise traffic to those places
[14:47] <bigcalm> Ha
[14:47] <bigcalm> Well then
[14:48] <bigcalm> :S
[14:48] <popey> i dont think that matters
[14:48] <popey> if all you want to know is 'has my upper limit gone up'
[14:49]  * bigcalm sends a 66MB tarball to his bytemark account
[14:51] <shauno> quite some years ago now, my cable broke in a manner where I had my advertised speed .. in both directions.  boy was I popular that month.
[14:51] <bigcalm> Haha
[14:53] <Oli``> Anybody know if there's a hide-all-text-layers button in Photoshop?
[14:54] <Oli``> I've got about 3000 layers that a designer has scattered all over a document that I need to hide :(
[14:54] <popey> ooooo
[14:54] <popey> 100% 2187KB   2.1MB/s   00:01
[14:55] <Oli``> popey: Have you had any luck the with the latest (released yesterday on nvnews) nvidia beta driver on Natty? I remember seeing you on twitter with a ton of issues
[14:55] <bigcalm> http://myrant.net/dump/upload_test.png
[14:55] <bigcalm> 100%   25KB  25.4KB/s   00:00
[14:55] <popey> Oli``: i dont use the driver from them
[14:55] <popey> Oli``: i only use the packaged one
[14:55] <bigcalm> Hehe, copy/pasted wrong file
[14:56] <bigcalm> 100%   66MB 248.0KB/s   04:32
[14:56] <Oli``> popey: I just meant it's worth a shot if there's a system you want to use and cant
[14:56] <popey> ah
[14:56] <popey> the current nvidia driver is fine thanks
[14:56] <popey> except for EDID errors on my desktop :(
[14:57] <Oli``> Yeah EDID never seems to work as well as it should
[14:57] <popey> bug 725600
[14:57] <popey> used to work fine
[14:58] <bigcalm> And download: 100%   66MB   2.4MB/s   00:28
[14:59] <gord> i still have the old xorg :)
[14:59] <gord> hoping alpha 3 will work nicely, gonna reinstall. my system is so broken right now
[15:01] <daubers> I took the nvidia driver off my laptop, was preventing it from running gnome headless
[15:01] <daubers> s/laptop/revo
[15:05] <DJones> Oooh, Blade Runner prequel/sequel possibly being made http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/03/us-bladerunner-idUSTRE7220AQ20110303
[15:05] <popey> daubers: my revo runs headless
[15:05] <bigcalm> Oh no :(
[15:05] <daubers> popey: With the nvidia driver?
[15:06]  * Obtuse sighs.
[15:06] <popey> yes daubers
[15:06] <Obtuse> I truly hate it when Firefox craps out when I had lots of tabs open.
[15:06] <popey> ii  nvidia-current                         260.19.06-0ubuntu1                     NVIDIA binary Xorg driver, kernel module and VDPAU library
[15:07] <bigcalm> Obtuse: this is why I use chrome
[15:07] <Obtuse> Do you restore and hope that nothing was a POST?
[15:07] <shauno> DJones: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/532297/Back-to-the-what.jpg
[15:07] <bigcalm> If one tab dies, the whole browser doesn't
[15:07] <Obtuse> bigcalm: Is it more reliable?
[15:07] <Obtuse> Oh, that's cool. Better separation of tabs?
[15:08] <bigcalm> Each tab is its own process that has no communication with others
[15:08] <bigcalm> shauno: heh
[15:08] <DJones> shauno: Thats about right, along with Hawaii 5-0, Upstairs Downstairs, True Grit and many, many more others that I can't think of off the top of my head
[15:08] <nigelb> Obtuse: and if one does, you can kill it individually
[15:09] <shauno> not mine, but immediately sprung to mind as somewhat apropros
[15:10] <nigelb> lol
[15:10] <Obtuse> Right... I'll give Chrome a go.
[15:11] <bigcalm> \o/
[15:11] <popey> \o/ ?
[15:11] <bigcalm> Being a web dev, I have to have all browsers handy. Find that chrome is the most relyable now
[15:11] <bigcalm> /o\
[15:11] <popey> http://popey.com/minecraft/gmap/?lat=0.533885&lng=0.465881&zoom=7
[15:11] <popey> \o/
[15:12] <popey> train station is taking shape :)
[15:12] <shauno> I really only use ff when I actually need the kitchen sink now
[15:12] <daubers> Hmmm... mine complains taht it can't find a monitor and doesn't start gdm
[15:12] <nigelb> bigcalm: same here :)
[15:12] <bigcalm> popey: looks like the lockness monster
[15:12] <nigelb> Nessie?
[15:13] <popey> :)
[15:13] <shauno> if you're doing what I think you're doing with the roof, I like it :)
[15:13] <popey> in other news, chrome on windows seems broken
[15:13] <popey> if i alt tab away from it, the window I alt-tab to, doesnt redraw
[15:13] <screen-x> popey: how?
[15:13] <popey> unless thats not chrome but putty or video driver issue
[15:13] <daubers> "in other news, windows seems broken" <- Fixed that for you
[15:13] <nigelb> daubers: haha, good one
[15:13] <shauno> popey: I get that from time to time, but it redraws *slowly*.  the whole screen sits still (no cursor, etc) while it fills out line by line
[15:14] <popey> no, switching _away_ from chrome
[15:14] <shauno> it'd almost be funny/retro to watch, if I wasn't into multitasking
[15:14] <bigcalm> WFM
[15:14] <daubers> chrome has had an alarming number of issues on a fw of my machines :(
[15:14] <popey> the line by line thing is because chrome is a massive bitmap and that got swapped out
[15:14] <DJones> popey: I can check for you, I've got chrome & putty running in front of me
[15:14] <popey> 11.0.686.1
[15:15] <bigcalm> Ooo, there's a new version. I'm currently on 9.0.597.98
[15:15]  * bigcalm now expects the world to fall apart
[15:16] <nigelb> In the time that we were talking, chrome went up one version.
[15:17] <DJones> popey: I can't see any issues Alt-tabbing to any other other running apps, everything looks fine for me, although I'm on Chrome 9.0.597.107
[15:17]  * nigelb expects the world to fall apart if it doesn't
[15:17] <popey> only happened recently
[15:17] <popey> i expect its an 11. thing
[15:18] <DJones> I suspect my version is the bog standard stable release
[15:18] <bigcalm> Humm. Mine is now on 9.0.597.107. I don't have 11?
[15:19] <popey> developer version
[15:19] <bigcalm> Ah
[15:19] <DJones> Just looking at the change channels, when did the "Canary build" come available?
[15:19] <popey> http://twitpic.com/45oqqj
[15:19] <bigcalm> That's your fault then :P
[15:19] <popey> thats what it does
[15:19] <popey> thats only showing lots because I typed the version
[15:19] <DJones> "This build is for people who want to help test Google Chrome and contribute to its development.  The Canary build is updated even more frequently than the Dev channel and is not tested before being released."
[15:19] <popey> before that all i saw was the window border
[15:19] <bigcalm> Yay, pretty in pink :)
[15:20] <bigcalm> Talk about overloaded system :S
[15:21] <bigcalm> Are you ignoring somebody on skype? ;)
[15:21] <popey> haha
[15:21] <popey> 5 birthday notifications
[15:21] <bigcalm> Ah
[15:24]  * bigcalm spies a modem connection
[15:24] <bigcalm> How odd
[15:26] <popey> yeah, very
[15:26] <popey> never used that
[15:26] <popey> see, sabdfl is right, the "system tray"* gets abused
[15:26] <popey> *Note: It's not called a system tray
[15:26] <bigcalm> Hehe
[15:26] <bigcalm> Notification area?
[15:27] <DJones> "Overcrowded area"
[15:27] <nigelb> lol
[15:27] <bigcalm> I like the windows 7 has all but 4 icons hidden
[15:27] <shauno> for once, I'm with sabdfl on that one.  nuke the whole thing from orbit.
[15:28] <popey> indeed
[15:28] <popey> i do not care (for example) that my disk encryption software is running
[15:28] <popey> or that my email client is open
[15:28] <mungojerry> bigcalm: just catching up on the last hour... i used to get electron user, then acorn user :)
[15:29] <bigcalm> Hehe
[15:29] <bigcalm> mungojerry: good show :)
[15:29] <mungojerry> bigcalm: did you have an archimedes?
[15:30]  * mungojerry always thought that Acorn -> Linux is a natural progression
[15:30] <shauno> risc to x86 is anything but natural
[15:31] <mungojerry> lol yeah, but the acorn enthusiast community is at least most similar i feel
[15:31] <mungojerry> maybe it's the underdog thing..we all knew that acorn was the best, but wasn't reflected in market share
[15:31] <bigcalm> mungojerry: 2 x BBC Model B, BBC Model B+, Acorn Archimedes 420 (I think)
[15:32] <bigcalm> I would have loved to have had an A5000. Ho hum :)
[15:32]  * mungojerry had an A3000
[15:32] <mungojerry> still got it somewhere
[15:33] <mungojerry> plus the electron
[15:33] <mungojerry> games like chocks away and arcelite were just class
[15:37] <bigcalm> ARGH
[15:37] <bigcalm> Just caught myself being sucked into wikipedia
[15:39] <shauno> if you hit the random page link, it's time to admit you have a problem
[15:39] <shauno> if not, you can brush it off as harmless experimentation :)
[15:40] <screen-x> shauno: its also a question of how many pages away from an on topic page you are..
[15:44] <screen-x> grr our ISP are renumbering :(
[15:52] <HazRPG> hi all
[15:55] <bigcalm> Afternoon
[15:55] <gord> popey, hehe @ guy complaining about ubuntu members getting lwn subs :D
[16:00] <popey> I know
[16:00] <popey> plum
[16:00] <popey> he's a troll
[16:06] <popey> I see they're discussing it in #techrights
[16:09] <jonsaint> hi all. when is the next ubuntu out? im fairly new to ubuntu and i was told new releases are usually twice a year???????
[16:09] <gord> jonsaint, yup, next one is in april
[16:09] <gord> april 28th
[16:09] <jonsaint> does that one have a name and whats the difference between this one and the new one?
[16:10] <bigcalm> 11.04
[16:10] <gord> there are always so many differences between releases, i could never list them, the next release will be 11.04 (year.month) and is using hte codename natty narwhal
[16:11] <jonsaint> is there a website i can check out to see whats new in the 11.04 version?
[16:12] <bigcalm> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes # but only once it's been released
[16:12] <jonsaint> ah ok. many thanks for all the info
[16:12] <gord> jonsaint, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha2 was the new features in the alpha 2 of natty, if you wait a few hours then hopefully alpha 3 will be out and you can read updated features there
[16:12] <gord> its still being made though
[16:12] <czajkows1i> TheOpenSourcerer: we WON!!!! had to log on to poke you
[16:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkows1i: Pee off.
[16:12] <bigcalm> ARGH. It's a cz<tab>
[16:13] <czajkows1i> TheOpenSourcerer: but we beat ye at cricket
[16:13] <czajkows1i> now onto rugby
[16:13] <popey> haha
[16:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hah.
[16:14] <czajkows1i> fecking cold today only 20 and over cast
[16:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkows1i: After what we did to the French?
[16:14] <AlanBell> back to the beach you!
[16:14] <czajkows1i> rented a car and drove all over the island
[16:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkows1i: Where are you?
[16:15] <czajkows1i> fuerteventura
[16:15] <mungojerry> hmm this android malware thing is getting bad. i feel sad that i effectively own a phone that is the Windows of the mobile world
[16:17] <gord> oh come now, its not *that* bad
[16:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> If the paddies can only just scrape past the Scots, you'll have ne chance with the brits. Even at Lansdowne Road
[16:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> mungojerry: Just don't install crapware ;-)
[16:18] <mungojerry> even from the real android market
[16:19] <czajkows1i> TheOpenSourcerer: if we cop on and make less mistakes and dont give away penatlies ...
[16:19] <mungojerry> mind you who can stop someone putting that into apple and windows market too (if Windows has any apps yet)
[16:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> And kiss the blarney stone three time...
[16:20] <Cepheus> I don't feel that the issue with android is so much the marketplace as it is the unrestricted access to APIs
[16:20] <Cepheus> s/don't//
[16:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> England 3 3 0 0 102 41 61 11 6
[16:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ireland   3 2 0 1 56   54 2    7   4
[16:21] <DJones> mungojerry: Have you looked at this page http://blog.mylookout.com/2011/03/security-alert-malware-found-in-official-android-market-droiddream/
[16:22] <DJones> mungojerry: It gives a list of the apps affected, some of which definately sound as though they're NSFW
[16:22] <Cepheus> I feel that certain sensitive features (calling, SMS, device IMEI and IMSI) should only be allowed by dev certificates or vetted developers a la symbian
[16:22] <HazRPG> bigcalm: heh, yeah I've recently found myself just typing cz<tab> too :P
[16:22] <Cepheus> or at least doing thorough checks on applications using these APIs
[16:23] <HazRPG> czajkows1i: congrats on the victory :)
[16:23] <czajkows1i> HazRPG: oi hit the tab key!
[16:23] <mungojerry> DJones: not all are NSFW, and obfuscated malware can reside in any apps..the fact that lookout is required is a bit more of a windowsism
[16:23] <HazRPG> czajkowski: I did :P
[16:24] <DJones> mungojerry: yes, I was wondering, maybe the Lookout app is infected :)
[16:24] <Cepheus> A lot of them are actually pirated versions of paid apps, I hear.
[16:24] <mungojerry> Cepheus: even worse, since some people are saying Chess? i instaleld that, how do i know if it's the bad one..etc
[16:26] <mungojerry> DJones: even if not, lookout certainly own your phone anyway
[16:26] <Cepheus> mungojerry: Google should really inform those who've been affected by these applications
[16:26] <mungojerry> yeah, they did a remote wipe i hear?
[16:26] <mungojerry> remote uninstall i should say
[16:26] <HazRPG> Cepheus: there's an infected app?
[16:26] <mungojerry> but what if your phone is rooted?
[16:27] <brobostigon> afternoonings everyone.
[16:27] <HazRPG> mungojerry has a good point
[16:27] <HazRPG> afternoonings mr brobostigon :)
[16:27] <brobostigon> HazRPG: afternoonings :)
[16:27] <mungojerry> and is the confidence iphone users have in the apple store worse because they somehow think they are safer because of apple's infamous policy of app types
[16:28] <Cepheus> the likelyhood is less. but there have been notable instances where things have slipped through the net
[16:28] <HazRPG> I think it would be funny if ubuntu started making their own android variant :)
[16:29] <mungojerry> ubuntu mobile
[16:29] <Myrtti> I wish Gingerbread would've included OpenVPN support :-(
[16:29] <HazRPG> mungojerry: I would root my phone for that :)
[16:29] <mungojerry> HazRPG: they were working on ubuntu mobile before tablet came along
[16:30] <HazRPG> mungojerry: wow really :D
[16:31]  * HazRPG has just found the pdf that documents it
[16:31] <Cepheus> as a Maemo user I have to say I prefer it to android... but it's a dead road now that Nokia and Microsoft are bedmates
[16:32] <brobostigon> Cepheus: i do believe they were working on meego to go onto the n900.
[16:32] <HazRPG> Cepheus: Hmm, yeah I know what you mean.
[16:32] <Myrtti> they are still
[16:32] <HazRPG> brobostigon, Myrtti: Indeed I've seen that too.
[16:33] <Myrtti> I'd preferred Maemo over MeeGo ;-)
[16:33] <Cepheus> brobostigon: It's as a developer device though. installing meego is not supported by nokia or intel, and the handset UX is nowhere near ready for production use
[16:34] <brobostigon> Cepheus: i didnt know  that, ok. interesting.
[16:34] <Myrtti> .deb > .rpm
[16:34] <Cepheus> yes, delicious dpkg
[16:35] <directhex> .deb != .rpm
[16:35] <directhex> rpm is smarter at some things. perhaps too smart
[16:36] <HazRPG> I'm not a huge fan of rpm, I've had more problems with it than I can count
[16:37] <screen-x> I am a huge fan of apt, I've had more problems with it than I can count
[16:37] <HazRPG> screen-x: yeah I prefer apt for most things
[16:37] <Cepheus> the problem with RPM is not so much the format as the fact that mandriva, novell and red hat all use completely different file names, dependency and package names and file paths
[16:39] <Cepheus> this combined with the windows mentality of "if it has the right extension it will run" means that you get very stupid dependency resolution
[16:39] <HazRPG> Ooo, I've just compiled my first ever .sid :D
[16:39] <brobostigon>  .sid ?
[16:39] <HazRPG> Its not great, but I still did it all on my own :)
[16:39] <bigcalm> El?
[16:40] <HazRPG> brobostigon: yeah it's a music format - made using GoatTracker
[16:40] <HazRPG> good old c64 :)
[16:40] <Cepheus> or worse, installing works but you get odd segfaults or errors from LD
[16:40] <bigcalm> Dave2: wakey wakey
[16:40] <brobostigon> HazRPG: ah, i see,
[16:41] <HazRPG> brobostigon: basically synth music using an emulated version of c64's SID
[16:41] <brobostigon> HazRPG: ah, ok, interesting.
[16:41] <HazRPG> Sound Interface Device
[16:41] <brobostigon> ah.
[16:43] <HazRPG> brobostigon: http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/music/c64/Untitled-v0.0.1.sid
[16:43]  * brobostigon looks
[16:44] <brobostigon> will vlc do it?
[16:44] <HazRPG> should do
[16:44] <screen-x> HazRPG: heh totem played that fine :)
[16:44] <brobostigon> vlc does everything.
[16:44] <HazRPG> I play it through totem
[16:44] <HazRPG> screen-x: indeed :)
[16:45] <HazRPG> screen-x: btw, its very short so totem will just loop it endlessly
[16:45] <Myrtti> in other news: HazRPG, brobostigon, Cepheus http://www.muktware.com/n/03/2011/798/meego-running-n900
[16:45] <Myrtti> well, other and "other"
[16:46] <mungojerry> HazRPG: good to know that...after 30 secs i was expecting the drum beat to kick in..
[16:46] <HazRPG> Myrtti: ooo, shiny :)
[16:46] <screen-x> HazRPG: at uni I had a to write a synth using matrices in matlab.
[16:46] <HazRPG> screen-x: nice :)
[16:47] <HazRPG> mungojerry: Still haven't figured how to make that instrument yet... otherwise it would have :P
[16:47] <Cepheus> Myrtti: oooh. nice find. thank you.
[16:47] <BigRedS> oggcamp2011 - are any details public yet?
[16:47] <popey> no
[16:47] <AlanBell> BigRedS: yes, there will be one
[16:47] <mungojerry> got an orange peeler, :) http://www.lakeland.co.uk/orange-peelers/F/product/6792
[16:47] <mungojerry> makes you want to buy oranges just to peel them
[16:48] <BigRedS> Ah, fair enough. I was just wondering if i'd missed them or something
[16:48] <screen-x> oooh! I used to use those home... all nostalgic now
[16:48] <HazRPG> mungojerry: Don't know if you've ever used a tracker before on the c64, but its basically just hex codes placed around on the interface in various places to make sound
[16:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> I love this spam I'm getting from the BSA - It *so* supports Free Software. I feel a blog post coming on... http://twitpic.com/45pjq3
[16:49] <bigcalm> Grr
[16:49] <brobostigon> is anyone else getting ubuntu one server disconects, inside natty with todays updates?
[16:49] <HazRPG> I couldn't get the c64 emulator to work that's in the repo though - guessing I'm missing a BIOS or something... but GoatTracker worked perfectly ootb
[16:49] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: I investigated joining the BSA a while back
[16:50] <gord> brobostigon, yup
[16:50] <gord> brobostigon, it also has been telling me that its 92% complete for about a week, every ten minutes or so
[16:50] <brobostigon> gord: ok, i am not alone then, thats good, yes, same as here.
[16:50] <popey> maybe you need a new xorg
[16:50] <HazRPG> mungojerry: mmm oranges
[16:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Did they invite you in with open arms?
[16:51] <Obtuse> TheOpenSourcerer: Those adverts are unbelievably cynical.
[16:51] <mungojerry> most humans peel bananas the wrong way too
[16:51] <bigcalm> The correct way being?
[16:51] <HazRPG> mungojerry: there's a correct way?
[16:51] <screen-x> like the monkeys do!
[16:51] <shauno> please tell me it involves trained monkeys
[16:51] <shauno> bah, too slow
[16:52] <HazRPG> bite the head off first?
[16:52] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: can't remember how much it cost
[16:52] <mungojerry> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBJV56WUDng
[16:52]  * HazRPG loads up his sng of his sid :)
[16:52] <mungojerry> makes life easy
[16:53] <HazRPG> I wish my Sharp MZ-700 had a tracker, I would have had loads of these on tape by now
[16:53] <HazRPG> somehow missed the c64 craze
[16:53] <bigcalm> WOW
[16:53] <shauno> you missed a few of them.  there's a whole scene running trackers on original gameboys
[16:53] <mungojerry> when you have a baby boy in one hand and need to efficiently peel the banana without squishing , digging nails or bruusing, the monkey way works every time
[16:54] <HazRPG> shauno: oh wait, yeah I had a tracker on the gameboy, wasn't that impressive though
[16:55] <shauno> HazRPG: 8bc.org.  if you can ignore the assault upon your eyeballs, there's a *lot* there
[16:56] <HazRPG> wow thankfully I stored that on dropbox... just overwrote my sng!
[16:56]  * HazRPG restores older version
[16:56] <HazRPG> shauno: ah, I was a bigger fan of 8bitpeople
[16:59] <HazRPG> shauno: wow, didn't realise the gb could do that - guess I was too young to have a good play with it
[17:00]  * mungojerry asks for permission to speak frankly
[17:00] <brobostigon> mungojerry: think about the CoC though. keep that in mind.
[17:01]  * mungojerry checks the CoC
[17:01] <mungojerry> i have a question about life:
[17:02] <gord> the universe, and everything?
[17:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> 42
[17:02] <brobostigon> life, the universe and everything,*
[17:02] <mungojerry> why, in every company i have ever worked in, is there at least one preson who clearly doesn't know how to use a toilet?
[17:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> ha.
[17:03] <Daviey> TheOpenSourcerer, I just got the BSA spam to my work address aswell
[17:03] <mungojerry> it's always puzzled me, what is their own home like
[17:03] <Myrtti> I would ask the same, but I've only worked in three places, of which in one I was the one cleaning toilets and in one I work from home
[17:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hi Daviey - Gosh you are still alive
[17:04] <Myrtti> so I guess it leaves only one company
[17:04] <mungojerry> and it's true there too Myrtti right?
[17:06] <Myrtti> factory workers are the worst
[17:06] <Daviey> TheOpenSourcerer, sadly.
[17:06] <kirrus> Daviey: you'd rather be dead? :/
[17:06] <Daviey> kirrus, Nah!
[17:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Daviey: How's the family?
[17:07]  * mungojerry slaps the uupc onto the mp3 player , giving the dilemma, read important documents on the train..or listen to mp3
[17:07] <Daviey> TheOpenSourcerer, pretty good...
[17:07] <brobostigon> mungojerry: uupc anyday, :)
[17:07] <popey> +1
[17:08] <DJones> mungojerry: Multitask, do both
[17:08] <popey> mungojerry: dont forget to shout out the quiz answers on the train!
[17:08] <brobostigon> lol
[17:08] <brobostigon> :)
[17:08] <mungojerry> ooh i forgot the quiz
[17:08] <mungojerry> definitely uupc
[17:09]  * AlanBell is writing a quiz
[17:09]  * brobostigon thinks about wht to make for tea. 
[17:09]  * Myrtti thinks about a perry
[17:09]  * TheOpenSourcerer listens to Mrs TheOpenSourcerer make his dinner in the background.
[17:10]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders where the instructions are for meeting chairing and REMINDS everyone about the meeting this evening 9:00pm UK time.
[17:10]  * brobostigon thinks about a beer.
[17:11] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Meeting/Guidelines
[17:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> TY AlanBell
[17:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not many agenda items then.
[17:13] <AlanBell> I am about to add one
[17:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Actions Recorded: None
[17:14]  * brobostigon thinks about what to do with pork steaks.
[17:14] <bigcalm> Eat them
[17:15] <brobostigon> bigcalm: i was thinking about somerhing more constructive than that kind of answer.
[17:15] <ali1234> cook them, then eat them
[17:15] <ali1234> otherwise you'll get worms
[17:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> brobostigon: I would marinate them in a strong sauce of soy, vinegar and honey for a while, then grill them. Then reduce the marinade to a thick syrupy sauce then serve with Noodles and some stir fried veg
[17:16] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: sounds good, :)
[17:16] <bigcalm> brobostigon: greece an overn proof dish, add the steaks. Cover with a packet of sage and onion stuffing. Cover with tinfoil and cook for half an hour on about 175C (fan oven). Remove the tinfoil and cook for a futher half an hour at a slightly reduced heat
[17:16] <brobostigon> i dodnt have soy though, i do have some balsamic.
[17:16] <bigcalm> You'll have suculent pork and crispy stuffing
[17:17] <brobostigon> bigcalm: sounds good also, :)
[17:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: Would you add any liquid to the sage & onion stuffing mix before cooking?
[17:17] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: :P
[17:18]  * brobostigon  likes TheOpenSourcerer's idea better though.
[17:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[17:18] <bigcalm> GF and I get 4 steaks from our butcher now and then. Makes 2 good meals
[17:19]  * brobostigon dissappears to do part of the preperation.
[17:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> You can also put the steaks in a roasting dish, pour over a tin of chopped toms, then add the Sage & Onion Stuffing mix and follow bigcalm 's instructions. Then you have a nice sauce too :-;
[17:19] <bigcalm> There is that
[17:20] <bigcalm> Might do that next time actually
[17:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[17:20] <bigcalm> Easy fried onions in a tin - magic!
[17:20] <ali1234> fry the pork chops then make a sauce in the pan using vinegar and pineapple juice. serve with carrots and mash
[17:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Eww.
[17:21] <ali1234> it's niiiiiice
[17:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Pineapple and dead animal do not mix IMHO.
[17:21] <ali1234> sweet and sour?
[17:21] <bigcalm> Not a fan of fresh sweet & sour meals then?
[17:22] <DJones> I'm afraid pineapple doesn't really mix with anything
[17:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> I never got the pineapple on gammon steak thing either.
[17:22] <bigcalm> Seems that opinion is divided here
[17:22] <lazarus_> hi all
[17:22] <bigcalm> Peaches with gammon...
[17:22] <bigcalm> Hi
[17:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> I do like Sweet and Sour yes > "I would marinate them in a strong sauce of soy, vinegar and honey "
[17:23] <DJones> Maybe I'm biased because of buffets which always seem to have a piece of pineapple and cheese on a cocktail stick
[17:23] <popey> 17:22:11 < TheOpenSourcerer> I never got the pineapple on gammon steak thing either.
[17:23] <popey> there's enzymes in pineapple that help break down the fibres in the meat
[17:23] <bigcalm> DJones: you go to the wrong buffets then ;)
[17:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> There's enzymes in my stomach that do not taste of pineapple and do a great job too :-)
[17:24] <bigcalm> popey: could be why if you have too much fresh pineapple, it can give you uslars
[17:24] <popey> hahah
[17:24] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: hehe
[17:24] <bigcalm> So you just don't like pineapple?
[17:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Pineapple is nice as a dessert.
[17:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> And I also like Pineapple Cubes
[17:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> The hardboiled sweets
[17:25] <ali1234> what about cheese and pineapple on a stick?
[17:25] <bigcalm> I want a pineapple fritter now!
[17:25] <bigcalm> ali1234: yellow with yellow?
[17:25] <ali1234> um, yeah i guess?
[17:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> I can handle cheese and pineapple although it's not my favourite combination.
[17:25] <bigcalm> And on a pizza?
[17:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cheese <> dead Animal
[17:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nope - Pineapple on a Pizza is the Devil's work. Of that I am in no doubt.
[17:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> All this talk of food is making me dribble.
[17:27]  * brobostigon returns from preperation, and will leave the pork to marinade untill after the simpsons.
[17:27] <bigcalm> Being on a diet, this conversation is horrible
[17:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Diets, schmiets.
[17:28] <bigcalm> Well, reduced food intake
[17:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[17:28] <bigcalm> Is a better discription
[17:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> I don't really like that idea.
[17:28] <bigcalm> Hehe
[17:28] <popey> i want beer
[17:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's probably why I'm such a lardy ;-)
[17:29] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: I've lost over a stone since end of Jan
[17:29] <Myrtti> mmmmmm bacon, bluecheese and pineapple pizza
[17:29] <Myrtti> OM NOMNOM
[17:29] <bigcalm> popey: plenty of Spitfire over here ;)
[17:29] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: will an hour in the marinade be enough?
[17:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> brobostigon: I should think so yes.
[17:29] <brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: :)
[17:30] <bigcalm> I wish my gf liked blue cheese and olives
[17:31] <bigcalm> Instead I have to eat them on my own, which feels like secret eating
[17:32] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: But Hawaiian is the best pizza (Chees, ham, and pineapple) incase they call it something more exotic down souff
[17:32] <jacobw> hmm olives
[17:32] <jacobw> what could be more exotic than 'hawaiian'
[17:33] <brobostigon> margerita is the best, so simple, but also so hard to get right, :)
[17:33] <gord> 'venusian'
[17:34] <bigcalm_> Oh ffs
[17:34] <jpds> STAY CALM.
[17:35] <jpds> bigcalm: You looked cute with a tail.
[17:35] <bigcalm> o.O
[17:36] <AlanBell> handy service for web designers http://placekitten.com/
[17:37] <bigcalm> HAHA!
[17:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Olives are great. One of my favourite snacks and a very useful ingredient.
[17:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> A Hawaiian pizza is like having an enema.
[17:37] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: now an olive is the plaything of the Devil sent to torment normal folk
[17:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> ha
[17:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Right. I am now officially starving. Will now go and pester Mrs TheOpenSourcerer
[17:37] <bigcalm> AlanBell: that is the best thing I've seen today!
[17:38] <BigRedS> That's awesome!
[17:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's really cool. HTF did you find that AlanBell ?
[17:39] <AlanBell> http://twitter.com/#!/JamesFirth/status/43362670434459648
[17:39] <AlanBell> Farnham chap, goes to the tweetup type things
[17:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes - I follow him. Just wasn't watching gwibber.
[17:40] <Myrtti> awwwww
[17:41] <danfish> hah - 'placekitten.com : Site Blocked - not of course use to NHS business!'
[17:41]  * AlanBell wonders if placechicken.com is available
[17:41] <danfish> s/course/core
[17:42] <AlanBell> danfish: A quick and simple service for getting pictures of kittens for use as placeholders in your designs or code. Just put your image size (width & height) after our URL and you'll get a placeholder.
[17:42] <popey> bah
[17:43] <gord> i suggested we use that in unity for when we are waiting on the design team ;)
[17:43] <danfish> I figured it might be - but kittens? I don't trust 'em ;)
[17:51] <bigcalm_> This isn't funny
[18:11] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hmm, this tracker is fun... but it's a long learning curve :P
[18:14] <HazRPG> can't believe I'm using headphones in my own computer room T_T
[18:15] <HazRPG> my sister decided to watch stuff in here for once and told me to stop that silly noise :/
[18:15] <HazRPG> anyone here used the GoatTracker?
[18:18] <brobostigon> HazRPG: in haiku-os?
[18:19] <HazRPG> brobostigon: no in ubuntu :)
[18:19] <brobostigon> HazRPG: in natty, unity?
[18:19] <HazRPG> I found GoatTracker, MilkyTracker and C64 emulators in the repos
[18:19] <HazRPG> nah, I'm using 10.10
[18:20] <brobostigon> oh, you mean, music tracker, sorry, misunderstood
[18:20] <shauno> never heard of goat.  milky I'm aware of because they take cross-platform to an extreme.  only one I've used was protracker, and that was /many/ moons ago
[18:21] <HazRPG> shauno: it was in the repo when I was looking for a c64 emulator :P
[18:22] <HazRPG> this is essentially all I see: http://www.20jazzfunkgreats.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/GoatTracker_1.png
[18:22] <HazRPG> its quite... scary... lol
[18:23] <HazRPG> I'll see if I can find some .sng files to mess with
[18:23] <Myrtti> boo
[18:23] <shauno> that's ... interesting
[18:23] <HazRPG> although, thing about the tracker scene - they prefer not to share their instruments and stuff, since its their sound essentially
[18:23] <shauno> Based on your corporate access policies, access to this web site ( http://www.20jazzfunkgreats.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/GoatTracker_1.png ) has been blocked because the web category "Adult/Sexually Explicit" is not allowed.
[18:24] <HazRPG> shauno: wow no way!
[18:24] <shauno> I do wonder where on earth they obtain their filter lists sometimes
[18:25] <shauno> anyhow.  time to go home
[18:27] <HazRPG> shauno: http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/images/screenshots/GoatTracker.png
[18:29] <HazRPG> brobostigon: help!
[18:30] <HazRPG> brobostigon: https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/gmkbolemmamlpfbnieckhgaghdccmkhe?hl=en
[18:30] <brobostigon> HazRPG: how can i help. but i am cooking atthe  same time,
[18:30] <HazRPG> read the comments, I don't know how to reply - it seems so obvious to me
[18:30] <brobostigon> HazRPG: one minute, give me time, i dont easily multitask.
[18:30] <HazRPG> brobostigon: sure no problem
[18:31]  * MartijnVdS bakes pie
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> http://blog.garion.org/2011/01/31/recipe-guild-master-spinach-pie/
[18:54]  * brobostigon noms on tea, yummy.
[18:55] <HazRPG> brobostigon: :)
[18:55] <brobostigon> thank you for the the idea TheOpenSourcerer :)
[18:57] <brobostigon> the one show, Prof Brian Cox.
[18:58] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I really haven't a clue what I can say to this guy - he/she is having trouble with my extension :(
[18:58] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i truly dont know,
[18:59] <ali1234> how about "here's a nickel, get a real operating system"
[19:00] <HazRPG> I'm guessing (I'll assume it's a guy) he's having trouble getting his reader to open up... but well I googled it and Windows Live Mail *should* just register the feed:// urls
[19:01] <HazRPG> ooo winner, there's a gtalk widget for wordpress :)
[19:01]  * HazRPG add to blog
[19:01] <ali1234> i don't think that person understands what the extension does
[19:01] <HazRPG> ali1234: I don't either...
[19:02] <HazRPG> ali1234: I can't even confirm if it works for others - because he's the only one that has commented
[19:02] <HazRPG> I've only tested it on my system
[19:02] <davmor2> Ha just had a whicked phone call hello Sir your computer is reporting that you have some redundant files that might corrupt you system -> me really which operating system was telling you that and who do you represent then so I can sue for preach of privacy -> Woman Goodbye sir  brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[19:02] <ali1234> davmor2: yeah been there done that
[19:03] <ali1234> except i played along for like 40 minutes
[19:03] <HazRPG> davmor2: : ha, I wish I could I would get phone calls like that - would amuse me no end
[19:03] <davmor2> ali1234: I couldn't be bothered
[19:03] <Azelphur> haha
[19:04] <ali1234> "sir your computer is going for a toss"
[19:04]  * HazRPG : Oh really? How do you know?
[19:04] <brobostigon> shame is, some people who dont know much, would believe it, even if there is noway, for them to know.
[19:05] <ali1234> HazRPG: i'm not sure *i* understand what that extension is supposed to do
[19:05] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I know...
[19:05] <ali1234> and why is outlook a feed handler?
[19:05] <brobostigon> HazRPG: shame isnt it, people taking advantege of people's lackof knowleadge like that.
[19:06] <HazRPG> ali1234: I couldn't find a feed handler that opened up Juice in windows for my video podcasts, so I took google's and extended onto it
[19:06] <ali1234> what is a feed handler?
[19:06] <ali1234> rss is just a list of urls
[19:06] <ali1234> i don't understand :S
[19:06] <brobostigon> google reader for example.
[19:06] <HazRPG> ali1234: yeah, that's all its for
[19:07] <HazRPG> some applications register feed:// handler to open up its application with the url to "subscribe" to that feed
[19:07] <ali1234> hmm i always forget that chrome has no rss support built in
[19:07] <HazRPG> some only respond to podcast:// or pcast://
[19:07] <ali1234> this is basically a workaround for that?
[19:07] <HazRPG> ali1234: yeah pretty much :)
[19:08] <ali1234> really, i've never seen a rss with anything but http:// in it
[19:08] <ali1234> eg. video podcast has a url that takes you to the video page
[19:08] <HazRPG> ali1234: yeah, but this basically strips out the http:// and replaces with podcast:// pcast:// or feed://
[19:09] <HazRPG> ali1234: ah no, your getting confused!
[19:09] <ali1234> so then you add a uri handler that opens it in your prefered app
[19:09] <ali1234> yeah
[19:10] <HazRPG> ali1234: right... obviously a rss feed is a http://domain.com and inside it is basically just a document with a list of urls and descriptions
[19:10] <davmor2> brobostigon: It's true and the best of it is the software probably contains the dangerous files that it removes so the end user is thankfully that they called to warn them
[19:10] <HazRPG> ali1234: this basically sends that feed url into an application instead of having to open the application and place the url in manually
[19:10] <ali1234> yes, for example: http://gdata.youtube.com/feeds/base/users/ali123492/newsubscriptionvideos
[19:11] <Myrtti> merh.
[19:11] <ali1234> see, what i don't want to understand is why would i want to put that rss into some other application?
[19:11] <ali1234> it's just a list of web pages
[19:11] <davmor2> brobostigon: that or it'll highlight the errors in the registry that occur if you're system is on for more than a minute
[19:11] <HazRPG> ali1234: well what do you use for reading your RSS feeds?
[19:12] <ali1234> firefox
[19:12] <brobostigon> davmor2: its a fraud, a cheat, it isnt for real.
[19:12] <HazRPG> there you go, in firefox it's a dynamic list of those urls
[19:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> np brobostigon - I'm glad it was yummy. I've just had shepherds pie - nom nom
[19:13] <brobostigon> yummy, :)
[19:13] <HazRPG> some use RSS feed readers like say Google Reader, Liferea, Juice, Rhythmbox, etc
[19:14] <ali1234> but you only have to subscribe it one time
[19:14] <HazRPG> even Outlook, and Thunderbird can read them too
[19:14] <davmor2> brobostigon: I'm with you it sucks but technically if they sell you a product and it does what they say it will they've not broken the law which is why they use such candid vagueries as could/might corrupt etc etc etc
[19:14]  * brobostigon is a google reader junkie, he also has the android app.
[19:14] <HazRPG> ali1234: oh yeah, don't get me wrong it only needs to be done once for any given feed
[19:14] <HazRPG> ali1234: but sometimes its easier just to click a button and have it do its thing
[19:15] <ali1234> ok, i see
[19:15] <ali1234> which brings us back to mr anonymous
[19:15] <davmor2> brobostigon: I'm confused how do you snort, smoke or inject google reader?
[19:15] <brobostigon> davmor2: and baffle people,with unfamilier but scary words, and it doesnt even have to do anything, its easy enough to fake it, to look as if, its doing something,
[19:15] <HazRPG> I mean I use Google Reader for regular feeds with info and urls, and I prefer Juice/Rhythmbox for my music/video feeds
[19:16] <brobostigon> davmor2: android app, and inside chromium,
[19:16] <HazRPG> ali1234: Mr anonymous is wondering why my extension isn't putting the feed into Windows Live Mail
[19:16] <ali1234> HazRPG: so he seems to be asking how to register windows live mail as a target reader for subscriptions
[19:17] <HazRPG> ali1234: as far as google tells me, feed:// should just open Windows Live Mail - assuming he hasn't got other applications looking for the same thing
[19:17] <davmor2> brobostigon: explains a lot you need help, now the withdrawal symptoms have been know to kill but we're prepared to risk it on your behalf ;)
[19:17] <HazRPG> ali1234: pretty much yeah
[19:17] <brobostigon> davmor2: prertty accurate,
[19:18] <davmor2> brobostigon: haha
[19:18] <HazRPG> ali1234: The reason I have podcast:// (and it also factors in pcast://) and feed:// is because these are the two most popular ones applications look out for
[19:18] <ali1234> HazRPG: so the answers to his two questions are 1. windows live mail and 2. the address of the feed you want to subscribe to
[19:19] <ali1234> meh, windows live sucks anyway
[19:20] <HazRPG> ali1234: ikr :/
[19:20] <HazRPG> ali1234: I don't think that's the answer to his question
[19:20] <brobostigon> the female presenter on, the one show, seems to be truly dim.
[19:20] <ali1234> actually i think the problem is he doesn't understand feed = outlook
[19:20] <HazRPG> ali1234: he's wondering how to implement for - but well its already implemented in there by default
[19:20] <ali1234> he's trying to define a new handler
[19:20] <ali1234> and doesn't realise it only works for web readers
[19:21] <ali1234> he would have known all these things if he read the description but there you go
[19:21] <HazRPG> ali1234: Ah,  but its not just web readers really
[19:21] <ali1234> well thats what it says
[19:22] <HazRPG> oh for pre-defining your own - yes, web-readers only
[19:23] <HazRPG> but its because my current implementation of this is hard coded
[19:23] <gord> got my android phone using 10% battery use every 10 hours, makes me happy :)
[19:23] <brobostigon> gord: elaborate?
[19:23] <brobostigon> please.
[19:23] <brobostigon> how?
[19:23] <gord> upgraded to 2.3, monitored what was using my battery
[19:24] <gord> honestly, its gonna vary from phone to phone
[19:24] <brobostigon> gord: i used spareparts to do that in 2.2.1
[19:24] <freelore> Gord, so you get 100 hours between charges?
[19:24] <HazRPG> ali1234: since I just wanted something that worked for me, but thought other users who use iTunes/Juice/Outlook/Similar might benefit
[19:24] <gord> free theoretically
[19:24] <gord> freelore*
[19:25] <freelore> Impressive. I had a HTC Magic and the charge lasted maybe 3 hours.
[19:26] <brobostigon> with resonable use, i canget my htc dream, with 2.2.1 to 24hours.
[19:27] <ali1234> my C7 lasts 4 days. did not need to tweak anything
[19:27]  * brobostigon needs a ciggie. brb
[19:28] <freelore> Dream and Magic had the same internals. I guess the version of Android 1.6 on the Magic was really inefficient.
[19:32] <davmor2> freelore: yeah issues with 1.5 and 1.6 of android is it never switched 3g off so it would use 3g and wifi to download.  If you used the disable tools for 3g and wifi it would last all day and then some 2.1 and 2.2 are much better at that sort of power management
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> 2.2 (stock) on the Magic is SLOW though
[19:35] <freelore> I dare not image
[19:38] <freelore> *imagine
[19:38] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: no idea I got the milestone and am still waiting for my 2.2 :)
[19:38]  * MartijnVdS strokes his N1
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> 2.3.3 \o/
[19:39] <HazRPG> ali1234, brobostigon: Any suggestions for wording this better?
[19:39] <HazRPG> because I'm useless sometimes at explaining myself
[19:40] <ali1234> i wouldn't try to explain all how to use it in the description on the download page
[19:43] <HazRPG> ali1234: I would have thought it would be better to explain its usage in the description
[19:49] <ali1234> HazRPG: i think the difficult bit to understand is that it is a two step process
[19:49] <ali1234> you don't directly define the application to use
[19:50] <ali1234> you define the handler to use, and the handler is defined somewhere else
[19:53] <HazRPG> ali1234: ah
[19:53] <HazRPG> I guess my assumption relies too much on people knowing how the google version works
[19:54] <HazRPG> since you have to click the icon first (or visit the feed directly) then pick which handler you want to use for subscribing
[19:54] <brobostigon> HazRPG: umm, you seem tobe sorting it out.
[19:54] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I am?
[19:54] <brobostigon> HazRPG: with ali1234
[19:55] <HazRPG> ah
[19:55] <HazRPG> I want it to be more user friendly
[19:55] <brobostigon> the applet.
[19:55] <HazRPG> I'm wondering if I should re-work it completely
[19:55] <brobostigon> for whatpurpose?
[19:56] <HazRPG> brobostigon: So that it's a one-click done job
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> watch out for Amazon's patent lawyers in that case :P
[19:56] <HazRPG> brobostigon: but you can configure it should you need to
[19:56] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[19:56] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i see. but wont that add alor more complexity?
[19:56] <HazRPG> brobostigon: Seems the current way is more complex to the average user anyways
[19:57] <HazRPG> brobostigon: so far I've had 1 star rating and a 5 star rating
[19:57] <HazRPG> so it's a 50/50
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: for what?
[19:57] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: My chrome extension
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: which one? :)
[19:57] <brobostigon> or /chromium *
[19:58] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: One user has expressed problems with it, but I don't think I understand what his issue is exactly
[19:58] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/gmkbolemmamlpfbnieckhgaghdccmkhe?hl=en
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: some users are just .. dense
[19:58] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: All I know is, he can't get it to work for Windows Live Mail - which it should
[19:59] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: which might just mean he has a messed-up registry or too-strict virus scanner
[20:00] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Might also be that he installed Windows Live Mail first, along with another application afterwards which replaced the feed:// handler
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: messed-up registry ;)
[20:01] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Yeah I realised that as I was typing ^,^
[20:03] <brobostigon> yay, google buzz finally works in gwibber, amazing, i first saw that bug, ages ago, seems they got it working. finally.
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> Now all Google needs to do is enable Buzz for apps accounts and I'm set
[20:04] <brobostigon> thats would be interesting,
[20:05] <HazRPG> brobostigon: \o/ hurray!
[20:07] <HazRPG> Well I've left a comment on the extension page stating if he'd like to have a chat with me to use my chat widget on my blog. So hopefully I can help him out... I don't want him being discouraged from using it, just because his setup is weird - I mean he probably won't find an extension that'll resolve it for him.
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> podcast time :)
[20:21] <dogmatic69> could someone help me install / run http://code.google.com/p/innotop/
[20:22] <dogmatic69> plz :)
[20:22] <MartijnVdS>  This package includes the client binaries and the additional tools innotop and mysqlreport.
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> mysql-client-5.1 - MySQL database client binaries
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: ^ you shouldn't have to compile it yourself
[20:22] <dogmatic69> where you see that?
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: apt-cache search innotop -> see two pachages -> apt-cache show mysql-client-5.1
[20:23] <dogmatic69> lol
[20:23] <dogmatic69> its installed :D
[20:23] <dogmatic69> thanks MartijnVdS
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> np
[20:24] <MartijnVdS> I'd assume mysql-client is useful in other ways as well if you want to use innotop ;)
[20:24] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: so i should never compile from source?
[20:25] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: not if there's a package, unless you need a feature in a version that's not (yet) packaged
[20:25] <dogmatic69> ok, its a bit hard to know that though
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> well, now you know :)
[20:26] <dogmatic69> i just figured something like that was special
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> software = software :)
[20:27] <dogmatic69> Can't locate Term/ReadKey.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/bin/innotop line 1341.
[20:27] <dogmatic69> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/innotop line 1341.
[20:27] <dogmatic69> :/
[20:28] <Cepheus> tried installing Term::ReadKey from CPAN?
[20:29] <HazRPG> brobostigon: Hmm, I uploaded another photo onto the extension page with a closer view of the RSS subscribe button - hopefully that should help.
[20:29] <brobostigon> HazRPG: yes, goodidea.
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> Cepheus: not CPAN.. there's a package
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> libterm-readkey-perl
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> install that ;)
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> Cepheus: same thing again.. if there's a package, don't install from source
[20:30] <Cepheus> but I wasn't aware of their being a package =p
[20:30] <Cepheus> nethertheless, a good tip.
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> Cepheus: apt-cache search Term::Readkey :)
[20:30] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I love how ubuntu automatically takes a screenshot with the cursor on it - so the screenshot I uploaded has the mouse hover over the icon too :)
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> Cepheus: also, check the Suggests: of mysql-client-5.1
[20:31] <Cepheus> MartijnVdS: not at an ubuntu workstation right now.
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> (it suggests it, as it's an optional dependency)
[20:31] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[20:31] <HazRPG> brobostigon: could you do me a favour and test if the chat widget on my blog works :)
[20:31] <HazRPG> brobostigon: pretty please :)
[20:32] <brobostigon> HazRPG: ok,one minute. what is the url again please.
[20:32] <HazRPG> brobostigon: www.hazsoft.co.uk
[20:33] <brobostigon> HazRPG: is it working?
[20:36] <HazRPG> brobostigon: right, try and send me a message now - the inbox chat has been turned off
[20:36] <brobostigon> done.
[20:37] <HazRPG> brobostigon: nope, nothing - did you start a new session?
[20:37] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: tx again
[20:37] <brobostigon> HazRPG: no, i didnt.
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: np
[20:38] <dogmatic69> QPS -> 0.8 :(
[20:38] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ah, close it and try a new one
[20:38] <HazRPG> because obviously its trying to send it to my gmail chatbox but that's turned off
[20:39] <brobostigon> HazRPG: ok, oneminute.
[20:39] <HazRPG> brobostigon: no problem, take your time
[20:39] <brobostigon> HazRPG: done, with new session.
[20:41] <dogmatic69> anyone had a bash with http://geekconnection.org/remastersys/
[20:41] <dogmatic69> looks good
[20:42] <HazRPG> brobostigon: thanks for that :)
[20:43] <brobostigon> HazRPG: no worries, :)
[20:43] <HazRPG> brobostigon: :)
[20:44] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hopefully I can get the annoying confirmation off
[20:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Reminder - meeting in 15mins in #ubuntu-uk-meeting
[20:44] <brobostigon> HazRPG: that was annoying.
[20:44] <HazRPG> brobostigon: the dialogue popped up as being both screens wide
[20:45]  * brobostigon gets more beer.
[20:45] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :(
[20:45] <HazRPG> I can understand why it shows up, since you might not want to be annoyed with chat invites on say msn, etc... but still
[20:46] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ooo I have tuborg in the fridge!
[20:46]  * HazRPG scurries off to the kitchen
[20:46] <brobostigon> HazRPG: the proper danish? from danmark?
[20:47] <HazRPG> brobostigon: brewed in the UK :(
[20:47] <brobostigon> HazRPG: ohwell, no thank you. :(
[20:47] <HazRPG> brobostigon: but still just as good (almost)
[20:48] <HazRPG> plus its free, since my mates brought round a crate of it the other day, and we only drank half of it
[20:48] <HazRPG> think I've got like 7 left :D
[20:49] <HazRPG> wow, great guess...  it is actually 7 left xD
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> http://www.onlysevenleft.nl
[20:49] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: hehe
[20:49] <HazRPG> are they any good?
[20:52] <brobostigon> HazRPG: isee,ok.
[20:53]  * brobostigon has his special dairy free shortbread, because of his allergies, and shares them with everyone.
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: "3FM" is the "popular/slightly alternative music" public radio station
[20:55]  * brobostigon makes agreedable noises.
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: and they're regular guests there.. so I'd say people think they're good :)
[20:55] <brobostigon> HazRPG: are you going to join the meeting?
[20:57] <HazRPG> brobostigon: indeed :)
[20:58] <brobostigon> :)
[21:00] <AlanBell> meeting just started peeps
[21:04] <Myrtti> I just had some mämmi
[21:04] <Myrtti> omnomnom.
[21:10] <Baikonur> wat
[21:10] <Baikonur> it's not mämmi time
[21:13] <freelore> Does anyone have an opinion on the Intel NM10 chipset?
[21:15] <Myrtti> Baikonur: *shrug* Valintatalo had some so we got some.
[21:17] <DJones> What is mammi?
[21:18] <Baikonur> i don't think i've ever tried mämmi
[21:19]  * MartijnVdS has his starting number for the 20km on Sunday \o/
[21:19] <Myrtti> DJones: Finnish easter delicacy that by first impression looks very much like faeces
[21:20] <DJones> Myrtti: I'm not sure whether I even want to google that after that description :)
[21:20] <Myrtti> DJones: malted rye porridge, baked very very slowly and for a long time in an oven
[21:21] <DJones> Ah, not good for me as I don't like porridge of any sort
[21:21] <Myrtti> well, not exactly porridge either
[21:21] <Myrtti> sweetened with dark molasses
[21:21] <DJones> It sounds interesting
[21:21] <Myrtti> served with sugar and milk or cream
[21:22] <Myrtti> high in fiber, no fat - so perfect for my mum - but she didn't want any
[21:22] <DJones> After an improved start, it went downhill there, I don't use sugar or milk unless its in cheese/cream formats
[21:23] <MartijnVdS> hmmm cheese
[21:23]  * DJones has just eaten sausage & cheese toasties
[21:23] <Myrtti> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M%C3%A4mmi-2.jpg
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> it looks.. black
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> and scary
[21:29] <AlexJake> Hi, I'm after a solution please, I've just built a server running Ubuntu, we have it on location, a camera is plugged into it, we have a dedicated server in a datacentre down in london, what we need is a way (software) from the server on location to stream to the dedicated server and allow people to watch the stream in their web browser.
[21:31] <bigcalm> AlexJake: quick google: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/gutsy/man1/webcam-server.1.html
[21:31] <Azelphur> AlexJake: you could do that with VLC
[21:31] <Azelphur> the whole thing :P
[21:31] <AlexJake> bigcalm: it's not a webcam, it's a camcorder
[21:32] <bigcalm> And what do you have it plugged into?
[21:32] <bigcalm> A video capture device can be a usb webcam or a usb/pci video capture card
[21:32] <AlexJake> bigcalm: a PCI card (not sure of brand at the moment)
[21:33] <Azelphur> which ever it is, VLC can still do it :D
[21:33] <AlexJake> Azelphur: I know of VLC
[21:33] <AlexJake> Azelphur: but I didn't know VLC could do that
[21:33] <AlexJake> Azelphur: I thought VLC was just a video player
[21:33] <Azelphur> nah, VLC is awesome
[21:34] <Azelphur> I'm not that fluent in VLC, but I think the logic would be that you set up VLC on the webcam box to stream the input of the webcam/video device to the dedicated server, and then the dedicated server runs a standard video stream
[21:35] <Azelphur> then you just embed that in the page and it plays in the native media player (so wmp for windows, totem for Ubuntu)
[21:35] <Azelphur> #vlc will probably be able to help you more and confirm it definitely is possible, but I think it would work.
[21:35] <AlexJake> Azelphur: do I need VLC running on the dedicated server in london?
[21:35] <Azelphur> you need VLC on both
[21:36] <AlexJake> Azelphur: thank you
[21:36] <Azelphur> yw :)
[22:04] <Myrtti> parteeee
[22:05] <brobostigon> yay.
[22:12] <daubers> I hear my name in -meeting
[22:15] <jpds> daubers: I would hate to know what text-to-speech with IRC is like.
[22:15] <daubers> jpds: It comes in colours :)
[22:16] <AlanBell> and here too TheOpenSourcerer
[22:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> \o/
[22:18] <HazRPG> jpds: there's text-to-speech for irc :o!
[22:18] <HazRPG> that's just madness!
[22:21] <daubers> popey: Missed a trick, should have mentioned the leadership contest on the podcast
[22:21] <HazRPG> AlanBell: might be an idea to place the quiz to 2011plan on the pad
[22:21] <popey> daubers: it was already over
[22:21] <popey> we thought
[22:21] <daubers> Hmmm... suppose
[22:21] <popey> we will mention it on the next one
[22:21] <daubers> \o/
[22:23] <AlanBell> HazRPG: it is a pad . . .
[22:23] <daubers> It's a bit of a shame only AlanBell's put his name down. Can think of a couple of other people who're in here frequently who could probably also do a good job
[22:23] <AlanBell> daubers: there is another two weeks
[22:24] <HazRPG> AlanBell: I know... but I don't want to feel like I'm messing with something I shouldn't :P
[22:24] <daubers> AlanBell: Indeed. Hopefully someone'll step forward
[22:24] <AlanBell> HazRPG: you are not, you are messing with something you should
[22:24] <brobostigon> a job discription, might be helpful for potential candiates,
[22:24] <brobostigon> to decide.
[22:24] <daubers> HazRPG: The worst that happens in those scenarios is that someone else undoes it :)
[22:25] <brobostigon> if they want to put their names down,or not.
[22:25] <HazRPG> cool
[22:27]  * daubers suggests an interview panel
[22:27] <daubers> popey can be the nice one, and ciemon can be the grumpy one
[22:29] <HazRPG> AlanBell: how does that look? I've also added the Team Leader stuff
[22:29] <HazRPG> Did we pick a date for the trivia?
[22:29] <AlanBell> perfect
[22:30] <AlanBell> no, doodle poll to the list for that
[22:30] <HazRPG> AlanBell: What's the link for that, if one exists, so that I can put it on there too
[22:31] <AlanBell> doesn't exist yet
[22:35] <daubers> Can anyone recommend any good books on designing hardware?
[22:36]  * daubers has a book budget to spend at work and is trying to boost the library a bit
[22:38] <HazRPG> daubers: what kind of hardware are you speaking of?
[22:39] <HazRPG> Seems Atlus can still be relied on for pumping out decent RPGs :)
[22:40] <HazRPG> ah wait... no EU release date :o
[22:40] <HazRPG> ... typical :/
[22:40] <gord> *assuming talking about catherine* - ps3's are region free, import
[22:41] <gord> thats what i am going to do
[22:41] <daubers> HazRPG: Anything from USB to PCI-E
[22:41] <HazRPG> gord: PS3 games can be locked at a publishers discretion though
[22:42] <gord> HazRPG, barely any are
[22:42] <HazRPG> I'm assuming it will want people to update to 3.56 though :(
[22:43] <gord> ah, sucks to be you
[22:43] <bigcalm> What's the CD ripper of choice?
[22:43] <gord> loved persona 4, want more of that sort of stuff
[22:44] <AlanBell> http://doodle.com/eucwzx2qdiiiqs5p
[22:45] <AlanBell> HazRPG: ^^
[22:46] <HazRPG> AlanBell: Thanks :). Updated pad.
[22:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ha - What if everyone is OK with all the dates.
[22:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Chose a random one.
[22:46] <HazRPG> yeah
[22:46] <AlanBell> then we will go with the first one everyone is available for
[22:47] <HazRPG> that works too
[22:47] <AlanBell> does the description look OK on the poll?
[22:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> BTW, did AlanBell, popey and czajkowski know about the Farnham Twestival? Tickets are up now and won't last for long I suspect.
[23:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> OK time for bedski.
[23:06] <popey> http://popey.com/blog/2011/03/03/ubuntu-uk-loco-team-leader-sought/
[23:06] <popey> done!
[23:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> NIght all.
[23:10] <davmor2> Evening all
[23:11] <AlanBell> evening davmor2, just in time to add yourself to this: http://doodle.com/eucwzx2qdiiiqs5p
[23:11] <Myrtti> gnite
[23:11] <davmor2> Empathy still is kinda sucky as an irc client works better than before though
[23:11] <davmor2> nearly on par with pidgin
[23:13] <bigcalm> Any suggestions for a cd -> mp3 ripper?
[23:13] <bigcalm> There are many to choose from
[23:13] <davmor2> AlanBell: added
[23:13] <brobostigon> davmor2: gui or cli ?
[23:13] <brobostigon> sorry,m
[23:14] <brobostigon> bigcalm: gui or cli?
[23:14] <bigcalm> GUI
[23:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: gui, rhythmbox/banshee/sound juicer
[23:14] <brobostigon> :)
[23:14] <bigcalm> As I say, there is a wide selection
[23:15]  * brobostigon cant type quick enough.
[23:15] <brobostigon> bigcalm: try them all, and see which works best or you.
[23:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: use the default installed app if you like keep it if not change it
[23:15] <bigcalm> I have no interest in cataloging or libraries, just rip one cd after another
[23:16] <brobostigon> soundjuicer works then.  simple, and easy.
[23:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeap they'll do that,  but if you want a dedicated ripper your looking more at sound juicer
[23:17] <bigcalm> Ta, I'll give it a go
[23:19] <AlanBell> one for the twittery types: http://twitter.com/#!/alanbelltolc/status/43448278100099072
[23:29]  * HazRPG grabs another beer
[23:30] <HazRPG> I can't be bothered going out now lol
[23:30] <brobostigon> :)
[23:30] <HazRPG> free beer is cheaper :D
[23:30] <brobostigon> very,
[23:31] <brobostigon> any suggestions for something new to play with on android?
[23:32] <HazRPG> I haven't done much with android recently tbh myself
[23:32] <HazRPG> still trying to get faster with 8pen, but well I don't text often enough
[23:33] <brobostigon> me too.
[23:53] <HazRPG> hamitron!
[23:53] <hamitron> evening
[23:53] <hamitron> :)
[23:53] <hamitron> how's it going?
[23:53] <HazRPG> evening :)
[23:53] <HazRPG> not bad, yourself?
[23:54] <hamitron> all good
[23:54] <hamitron> still not bought my new comp, I hate commiting to spending money :/
[23:54] <HazRPG> trust me I know the feeling
[23:54] <HazRPG> still haven't bought an eBook reader yet
[23:55] <HazRPG> also starting to have second thoughts on the kindle
[23:55] <hamitron> well, I would personally wait see what the nook colour update brings
[23:55] <hamitron> or get a custom android device
[23:56] <hamitron> tempted with one of these: http://uk.store.creative.com/entertainment-devices-mp3-players/zen-touch-2-with-gps/948-20276.aspx?utm_source=Cheetah&utm_medium=Mailer&utm_content=Pdt_MP3_ZENTouch2GPS&utm_campaign=Mailer_uk_030311
[23:56] <gord> if you want long battery life, get a kindle. the rest are useless with that these days, otherwise just gett a tablet
[23:56] <HazRPG> personally reading is black & white for the majority of it anyways, so colour doesn't bother me
[23:56] <HazRPG> I'd rather have a long-life battery than colour
[23:56] <hamitron> kindle all the way then
[23:56] <hamitron> :)
[23:57] <gord> plus, kindle is nice and hackable :) put the ubuntu font on mine
[23:57] <HazRPG> recent news has put me off if they can retract books off my device though
[23:57] <HazRPG> gord: ooo, you've got one?
[23:57] <gord> they can remove books you purchased through the kindle store, you don't have to use that though
[23:57] <gord> i do
[23:57] <hamitron> google can do that on Android too, can't they?
[23:58] <ali1234> any app store can
[23:58] <hamitron> yeh
[23:58] <ali1234> except those shady chinese ones
[23:58] <HazRPG> hamitron: stuff off the market place yes - but only paid content iirc
[23:58] <gord> most of the books i read are out of copyright anyway so i rarely get them from the kindle store
[23:59] <hamitron> I personally prefer a device with installable apps, and files to upload and use
[23:59] <gord> i do use the kindle store to get magazine subscriptions and blog subscriptions (basically rss feeds), those are nice
[23:59] <hamitron> seperate to everything
[23:59] <hamitron> it is handy :)
[23:59] <HazRPG> gord: yeah I recently got a nice stack from gutenberg.org