[00:08] <iheartubuntu> apparently it is being done in the resolution center in extreme cases (such as mine) :)
[00:08] <iheartubuntu> i hope they can fix it
[00:08] <iheartubuntu> i put out a request anyhow
[01:52] <m4gnus> hello everyone
[02:12] <iheartubuntu> hello m4gnus how are you?
[02:13] <m4gnus> im good thank you, yourself?
[02:26] <iheartubuntu> busy busy
[03:28] <The_Letter_M> Hello all
[03:28] <nUboon2Age> yo jtatum, are you available to do an Ubuntu Hour: Palo Alto @ Tandori Oven this Friday 7pm?
[03:28] <nUboon2Age> howdy The_Letter_M, whereabouts are you?
[03:29] <The_Letter_M> I'm still in Utah
[03:29] <The_Letter_M> how is everyone?
[03:29] <The_Letter_M> I'm originally from the East Bay though
[03:30] <nUboon2Age> does that mean you are moving back at some point The_Letter_M?
[03:30] <The_Letter_M> SOme Day
[03:30] <The_Letter_M> Anyone do a lot of Apache hosting?
[03:31] <pleia2> depends on what you mean by "a lot"
[03:31] <The_Letter_M> like maybe work at an ISP
[03:32] <The_Letter_M> I've been having people ask me to set up sites with stuff like Joomla, Magento, Wordpress, etc
[03:32] <The_Letter_M> and sometimes I run into permission issues
[03:33] <nUboon2Age> yo pleia2, are you available to do an Ubuntu Hour: Palo Alto @ Tandori Oven this Friday 7pm?
[03:33] <The_Letter_M> everything in /var/www/ is owned by root and sometimes I have to chmod 777 a file to make it work
[03:33] <The_Letter_M> I'm wondering if it's better to make a user called www with /var/www/ as their home and that user does all the website stuff
[03:34] <pleia2> nUboon2Age: no, sorry
[03:34] <The_Letter_M> OR
[03:34] <nUboon2Age> okay :-/  pleia2
[03:34] <The_Letter_M> have a group called www and then add a regular user to that group
[03:34] <pleia2> The_Letter_M: yikes, you should never 777 a file to "make it work"
[03:34] <The_Letter_M> well I've been testing all this on a Vbox on my lappy
[03:34] <pleia2> yes, much better to create groups that users belong to :)
[03:34] <The_Letter_M> I'm trying to learn more before I roll out a live serrver
[03:35] <nUboon2Age> btw The_Letter_M, pleia2 is a sysadmin, so is a good one to get advice from on this topic
[03:35] <The_Letter_M> yeah
[03:35] <The_Letter_M> she's usually helpful
[03:35] <The_Letter_M> but yeah
[03:35] <The_Letter_M> I would chmod 755 a file and it would give me an error
[03:35] <pleia2> we have a few different setups for production, sometimes we use groups that everyone is part of either on the small scale (one group for a series of sites, all users for each site is added)
[03:36] <pleia2> or if we have one manager to all sites we'll create a "sites" user that has write access to everything, and then individual users for each site
[03:36] <The_Letter_M> ahh
[03:37] <pleia2> the keys to managing this are g+s and asking people to use a umask of 022
[03:38] <pleia2> g+s makes files and directories inherit the properties of their parents (so new files end up being in the same group) and umask of 022 makes files you create writeable by you AND the group (default tends to be 002, read and writable by just you)
[03:39] <pleia2> oops, I mixed that up, you want 002, not 022 :)
[03:39] <pleia2> long day
[03:40] <The_Letter_M> lol
[03:40] <The_Letter_M> nUboon2Age where about are you from?
[03:41] <pleia2> another tip is if you need the webserver itself to write to it, you give www-data access to write to that specific thing, since www-data is the user apache uses
[03:41] <The_Letter_M> ahh
[03:41] <pleia2> but don't give www-data ability to write to everything, because then if someone compromises a script and start doing things with the www-data user they can make a real mess of things
[03:42] <The_Letter_M> is it possible to su as www-data and install that site with that UN and group?
[03:42] <The_Letter_M> oh
[03:43] <pleia2> much better to lose your whole uploads/ directory than your whole site :)
[03:44] <pleia2> ugh, my boyfriend has been sick with flu+fever for 2 days, and now I'm starting to feel not awesome
[03:44] <The_Letter_M> ouch
[03:44] <The_Letter_M> I've been fighting a cold since last Sunday
[03:45] <The_Letter_M> it sucks
[03:45] <pleia2> with my luck I'll get full sick just in time for the weekend
[03:46] <The_Letter_M> so can I add a user to the group www-data and be able to install a site with that user and also allow apache to write any changes it needs to?
[03:47] <The_Letter_M> Or should I leave www-data to apache only and create a seperate group?
[03:47] <The_Letter_M> What I'm looking at is a single box with only a single site
[03:47] <pleia2> I'd create a user to manipulate the files, and if apache really needs to write to them, put the files in the www-data group
[03:47] <The_Letter_M> ok
[03:48] <pleia2> so you'll end up with a file for example.com, owned by user example, in the group www-data, with permissions of 775
[03:48] <The_Letter_M> that works
[03:48] <pleia2> but most files shouldn't need to be written to by apache, so most files should be 755 :)
[03:48] <The_Letter_M> that's a big help to know about the www-data group
[03:49] <pleia2> (this assumes files need execution bit, only folders really should)
[03:49] <pleia2> yeah, www-data is good
[03:49] <pleia2> I see a lot of people chmod 777 just so apache can write to them - I even see this in official instructions for installing webapps!
[03:49] <pleia2> they make my sysadmin heart break!
[03:50] <The_Letter_M> lol
[03:50] <The_Letter_M> yeah
[03:50] <The_Letter_M> in the Joomla and Magento stuff they say to do that and then change it to 755 after the install
[03:50] <pleia2> yeah
[03:50] <The_Letter_M> but then it doesn't work after I change it to 755
[03:51] <pleia2> I saw one that did that, and then at the end of the installer checked to see if it was still 777 and yelled at you if it was, that's a slightly lesser sin ;)
[03:51] <The_Letter_M> so I thought perhaps I should have a user with /var/www/ as it's home
[03:51] <The_Letter_M> but I thought even that sounds risky
[03:51] <pleia2> I usually set up /var/www/example.com/ as a home
[03:52] <pleia2> (actually /srv/www is the proper convention debian-wise, but it's not widely adopted)
[03:52] <The_Letter_M> that works
[03:52] <pleia2> in side /var/www/example.com/ I'll have an "htdocs/" which is the document root, and then a symlink to /var/logs/apache2/example.com as "logs"
[03:53] <pleia2> and then perhaps a cgi-bin/ or whatever else I don't want in the docroot (like .htpasswd files)
[03:54]  * pleia2 needs to clean up the /var/www/ on her server, very messy
[04:02] <nhaines> pleia2: you're catchong SCaLE flu?
[04:03] <pleia2> nhaines: my boyfriend has it, I appear to have some symptoms :(
[04:03] <pleia2> this morning his fever was around 101 and he's all "I hate Linux!"
[04:03] <pleia2> (because it's a linux conference flu)
[04:03] <nhaines> That's just the contagion talking.
[04:04] <pleia2> he went into work this afternoon for a few hours once it got down to 99 because there were some meetings he "couldn't miss" but he's on his way home now
[04:10] <pleia2> my cr-48 got an update and now it's harder to see pink highlights on my terminal
[04:10] <pleia2> I think the font changed too
[04:10] <The_Letter_M> is that the Google Netbook?
[04:10] <The_Letter_M> the CR48?
[04:11] <pleia2> notebook, yeah
[04:11] <The_Letter_M> Cool
[04:11] <The_Letter_M> can you access the VTs on it?
[04:12] <pleia2> they are actually just full screen xterms, but they feel similar to VTs
[04:12] <The_Letter_M> since it's supposed to be based on Linux
[04:12] <The_Letter_M> oh
[04:13] <pleia2> it's linux, I put some of the specs here: http://princessleia.com/txt/cr48.txt
[04:14] <The_Letter_M> Yeah
[04:14] <The_Letter_M> I've read about them
[04:14] <The_Letter_M> I applied with Google forr one too
[04:14] <The_Letter_M> but haven't heard back at all
[04:14] <pleia2> yeah, they just show up on your doorstep if they decide to send you one
[04:14] <The_Letter_M> oh
[04:14] <The_Letter_M> lol
[04:15] <The_Letter_M> Doesn't your BF work for Google though?
[04:15] <pleia2> the boxes are unmarked too "well, it's not ticking, I suppose I can open this..."
[04:15] <pleia2> yeah, but he didn't know I applied for one
[04:15] <The_Letter_M> lol
[04:15] <The_Letter_M> oh
[15:45] <seidos> what's going on?!
[15:46] <seidos> had a fever of 102.6 yesterday.  still a little sick
[15:47] <seidos> fairy doctor?
[15:47] <seidos> jono_: are there any canonical employees in #ubuntu-hardened?
[15:48] <seidos> are there any ubuntu employees <trollface>
[15:49] <seidos> nhaines: soup for breakfast + 1 serrano
[16:02] <seidos> what is the command to display the topic of a channel?
[16:02] <seidos> isn't it /topic #channel                        ?
[16:02] <seidos> u got my back?
[16:06] <jledbetter> I hope you feel better soon.
[16:11] <seidos> i got banned from #ubuntu-hardened \o/
[16:11] <seidos> :|
[16:11] <seidos> i tried to tell them i was an elf, but they wouldn't listen
[16:11] <seidos> or they didn't care :(
[16:22] <jamiedmattingly> did you show them your pointy ears seidos or your tiny feet? lol
[16:54] <nhaines> seidos: soo... still fever?
[16:55] <seidos> nhaines: negative
[16:55] <seidos> nhaines: drinking lemon juice, cooked
[16:57] <nhaines> I always make sure my lemon juice is thoroughly cooked before human consumption.
[18:22]  * nhaines is impatient for Ubuntu natty narwhal Alpha 3.
[18:23] <nhaines> Tusking 3?
[18:25] <nhaines> Yay, alpha 3!  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha3
[18:50] <seidos> nhaines: what's going on?
[18:50] <seidos> nhaines: journalist xor teacher?
[18:51] <erichammond>  /join #ubuntu-classroom
[18:52] <erichammond> argh. Invisible spaces.
[20:28] <nhaines> The topic recently came up again whether or not the abbreviation "LoCo Team" (as in "Local Community Team") is derrogatory or offensive in Spanish-speaking communities.
[20:29] <nhaines> I think it's probably worth mentioning that whenever I was at a speaking event and someone read my badge "Ubuntu California LoCo Team" and asked what "LoCo" meant, I always explained "We're crazy about Ubuntu," which was always met with a smile or laugh.
[20:30] <nhaines> The followup explanation, "It's short for 'local community team'" always seemed to suffice and was usually a good hook for talking about advocacy opportunities.
[20:34] <nhaines> Generally, a cheerful, good-natured response acts to disarm any confusion or misconceptions and shows you to be friendly and approachable.  It's a good way to begin speaking with a member of the public.
[20:55] <seidos> hey, do you know the triple gem?
[21:02] <jamiedmattingly> triple gem??
[21:13]  * iheartubuntu hello my name is _____ and im loco about ubuntu and im a user also.
[21:13] <iheartubuntu> i can see how thats a problem :)
[21:30] <iheartubuntu> thank you jledbetter :)
[21:30] <seidos> what's going on?!
[21:30] <seidos> ulug
[21:30] <seidos> i am not loco!
[21:31] <seidos> loco = suicidal
[21:31] <seidos> like buddhist monks that get eaten by tigers
[21:31] <seidos> or he-man
[21:34] <iheartubuntu> seidos - r u on the ubuntu forums by any chance (well, probably not by chance)
[21:51] <nhaines> Grr, the last update to Firefox on natty enables Global Menu support but it hasn't builded yet.
[21:58] <seidos> dang it, he left before i had a chance to reply
[21:58] <seidos> i only use recommended packages
[21:58] <seidos> security
[21:59] <seidos> right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, right concentration
[22:00] <iheartubuntu> DarkwingDuck is there a difference between Kubuntu's Desktop CD and Desktop DVD images?
[22:06] <seidos> iheartubuntu: i am meditatingfrog on forums.  haven't been inawhile
[22:06] <seidos> forums are a hot mess to me
[22:26] <seidos> hot mess = hell
[22:26] <seidos> my house is bad enough
[22:27] <iheartubuntu> namaste
[22:28] <seidos> gasho
[22:28] <seidos> there is a channel #love :)
[22:28] <iheartubuntu> on freenode?
[22:29] <seidos> 1 = yes
[23:09] <seidos> i think i was just silenced in #ubuntu-beginners too
[23:14] <nhaines> Where else have you been silenced?
[23:23] <seidos> nhaines: are we friends?
[23:24] <seidos> i am your friend, are you my friend?
[23:24] <seidos> paranoia...
[23:36] <iheartubuntu> Paranoia is a thought process thought[by whom?] to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion.  Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs concerning a  perceived threat towards oneself. Historically, this characterization  was used to describe any delusional state.
[23:37] <seidos> ah, then cautionary
[23:37] <seidos> i want the future to be awesome
[23:37] <seidos> not putrid
[23:38] <seidos> where do bug triagers go when they die?
[23:38] <iheartubuntu> is putrid a colour? it sounds like a colour.
[23:39] <seidos> foul?
[23:39] <iheartubuntu> just head over to the kubuntu triagers, that will keep you busy ;)
[23:39] <seidos> foul then, not putrid
[23:39] <seidos> not putrid = !putrid
[23:39] <seidos> i have my own bugs to triage
[23:39] <seidos> i don't use kubuntu, it isn't the default
[23:39] <iheartubuntu> you sound like a doctor
[23:40] <seidos> take your medicine
[23:40] <seidos> i am drinking lemon juice, made in a blender
[23:40] <seidos> pure
[23:40] <seidos> 100%
[23:41] <seidos> recipe is:  put cut up lemons in microwave for 3min, then put in blender, add water until juicy.  100% lemon juice.
[23:41] <seidos> the secret to alochol is:  taste something crappy.  then act stupid.
[23:42] <iheartubuntu> not just squeezed lemons? im curious what benefits the rind gives
[23:43] <iheartubuntu> or is that ruffage
[23:43] <iheartubuntu> dont eat the seeds. a tree will grow inside of you
[23:54] <iheartubuntu> seidos -> the future is already awesome. we are on this big mass hurling thousands of miles an hour, circling a sun, circling a galaxy, with billions of planets and galaxies around us. there are butterflies, bees, trees, mammals, humans, you name it on our own mass. you cant get much more awesome than that!
[23:55] <seidos> iheartubuntu: cats and dogs living together, human sacrifice, mass hysteria!
[23:55] <iheartubuntu> i digress
[23:56] <seidos> it's from the ghostbusters movie
[23:56] <seidos> i should probably be at a monastery focusing on escape or something
[23:56] <seidos> or a church