| DeusQain | What would be the best way to go about getting Cinelerra included in the next release? | 03:02 |
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| holstein | DeusQain: sudo apt-get install cinelerra ;) | 03:03 |
| DeusQain | while you are very accurate on how to install said software. You didn't answer my question. | 03:05 |
| holstein | DeusQain: i was hoping that would imply an answer though ;) | 03:05 |
| holstein | i dont think its going to happen | 03:06 |
| holstein | but, you can ask over in #ubuntustudio-devel | 03:06 |
| holstein | and on the mailing list | 03:06 |
| DeusQain | excellent. | 03:06 |
| DeusQain | thank you. | 03:06 |
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| mlpug | I have fluidsynth and jackd running. I can hear all bells and whistles OK when using ZynAddSubFX with mouse. I hear nothing when I try to use my USB Midi kbd (keyrig 49). I expected to see that in the left side of MIDI tab of qjackctl connections but its empty. lsusb recognises the keyboard. Any ideas what I am missing here or how to troubleshoot? | 17:30 |
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| mlpug | for example, is there some lower level way to see whether the kbd sends some midi events or not? | 17:30 |
| mlpug | my earlier case is closed: now my keyboard works. I was on wrong midi channel. | 18:16 |
| holstein | mlpug: COOL | 19:49 |
| holstein | there was a great package for that | 19:50 |
| holstein | i saw ailo suggest it | 19:50 |
| holstein | reads midi events | 19:50 |
| Strangebrew | is there a list of sound cards that work well with ubuntu? | 20:29 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: i can tell you a few places to look | 20:29 |
| Strangebrew | that would be great | 20:29 |
| holstein | http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main | 20:29 |
| holstein | http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport/list | 20:30 |
| holstein | other than that, i would say try and find someone useing the device | 20:30 |
| holstein | the presonus firepod | 20:31 |
| holstein | now the FP-10 | 20:31 |
| holstein | works great out of the box | 20:31 |
| Strangebrew | thanks! i'm kinda new so i'm looking for something cheap( less than 350$) | 20:31 |
| holstein | the zoom H4 is pretty sweet | 20:31 |
| holstein | the maudio delta 1010lts | 20:31 |
| holstein | out of the box | 20:31 |
| holstein | and cheap | 20:31 |
| holstein | the focusrite saphirePRO40 | 20:32 |
| holstein | ^^ thats probably the most bang for the buck | 20:32 |
| Strangebrew | oh great , thank you so much! i will check those | 20:32 |
| holstein | you have to tweak a bit to get it working | 20:32 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: also, #opensourcemusicians | 20:32 |
| holstein | if you have a specific device | 20:32 |
| holstein | might find someone using it there | 20:32 |
| holstein | i hear about the maudio fastracks | 20:32 |
| holstein | and cant remember which are good | 20:32 |
| Strangebrew | i have line 6 toneport which doesnt seem to work | 20:33 |
| holstein | USB ? | 20:33 |
| Strangebrew | yeah | 20:33 |
| holstein | you can try running lsusb | 20:33 |
| holstein | see if you see it there | 20:33 |
| holstein | ^^ thats in a terminal | 20:33 |
| holstein | then | 20:33 |
| Strangebrew | the drivers are installed and i can see it in the sound preferneces | 20:33 |
| holstein | aplay -l | 20:33 |
| Strangebrew | but no sound coming in | 20:33 |
| holstein | and arecord -l | 20:33 |
| holstein | IF you see the device in those locations | 20:34 |
| holstein | you have a pretty good chance | 20:34 |
| Strangebrew | yeah, but something must be wrong with the device..i cant see any signal on the input | 20:35 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: but you see the device? | 20:35 |
| holstein | all those places? | 20:35 |
| Strangebrew | in sound pref | 20:35 |
| Strangebrew | only checked there | 20:35 |
| holstein | check those | 20:36 |
| holstein | then, try running alsamixer | 20:36 |
| Strangebrew | ok just a minute | 20:36 |
| Strangebrew | btw, i'm on ubuntu now (not ubuntustudio)... | 20:37 |
| holstein | yeah, ubuntu=ubuntustudio | 20:38 |
| holstein | you have JACK right? | 20:38 |
| Strangebrew | JACK? not sure, havent downloaded it myself | 20:39 |
| Strangebrew | i'll look for it | 20:40 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: you'll want that | 20:40 |
| holstein | sudo apt-get install qjackctl | 20:40 |
| holstein | and read through the dependencies | 20:40 |
| holstein | should see jack2 or jackd | 20:40 |
| holstein | and others | 20:40 |
| Strangebrew | downloading qjackct now | 20:41 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: and JACK right? | 20:42 |
| holstein | you saw that in the list too? | 20:42 |
| holstein | maybe 20 packages or so right? | 20:42 |
| Strangebrew | nope only 10:\ | 20:42 |
| Strangebrew | and jackd wandt there | 20:42 |
| holstein | probably right | 20:42 |
| holstein | hmmm | 20:42 |
| Strangebrew | wasnt | 20:42 |
| holstein | will see... | 20:43 |
| Strangebrew | maybe it will be fine, ill check it | 20:43 |
| holstein | run | 20:43 |
| holstein | sudo apt-get install jackd | 20:43 |
| holstein | when that install is done | 20:43 |
| Strangebrew | running | 20:44 |
| Strangebrew | the input level still doesnt show a thing:\ | 20:45 |
| holstein | right | 20:46 |
| holstein | dont worry about that yet | 20:46 |
| Strangebrew | do i need to restart something? | 20:46 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: you'll want to learn how to use jack | 20:46 |
| holstein | its not trivial | 20:46 |
| Strangebrew | where can i read about it? | 20:47 |
| holstein | but it is really where the 'magic' of linux audio happens | 20:47 |
| holstein | well, http://jackaudio.org/ | 20:47 |
| holstein | for a start | 20:47 |
| holstein | but, asking in here, and that other channel i linked | 20:47 |
| holstein | anyhow | 20:47 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: open a terminal | 20:47 |
| holstein | ans type | 20:47 |
| holstein | sudo qjackctl | 20:47 |
| holstein | try hitting the start button | 20:48 |
| holstein | and tell me what happens? | 20:48 |
| Strangebrew | well i see RT with changing precentages right to it | 20:49 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: cool | 20:49 |
| holstein | ok hit the stop button | 20:50 |
| holstein | then, when it has stopped | 20:50 |
| holstein | hit quit | 20:50 |
| Strangebrew | done | 20:50 |
| holstein | then, start it as normal user | 20:50 |
| holstein | either qjackctl | 20:50 |
| holstein | or in the menu | 20:50 |
| holstein | jack control | 20:50 |
| holstein | and try hitting start again | 20:50 |
| Strangebrew | same situation | 20:51 |
| holstein | cool | 20:51 |
| holstein | no errors | 20:51 |
| holstein | just running? | 20:51 |
| holstein | right? | 20:51 |
| Strangebrew | nope | 20:51 |
| Strangebrew | right | 20:51 |
| holstein | awesome | 20:51 |
| holstein | ok, that is JACK | 20:51 |
| holstein | running with your internal sound card | 20:51 |
| holstein | you'll probably see an xrun here and there | 20:51 |
| holstein | little red #'s | 20:51 |
| holstein | in the jack control panel | 20:52 |
| holstein | BUT, dont worry about that right now | 20:52 |
| holstein | what we are going to do is | 20:52 |
| holstein | stop jack | 20:52 |
| holstein | with the stop button | 20:52 |
| holstein | on jack contol there | 20:52 |
| holstein | then, hit the setup button | 20:52 |
| holstein | and lets look for the line6 | 20:52 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: jack control = qjackctl | 20:52 |
| holstein | a GUI frontend to JACK | 20:52 |
| holstein | for setting it up | 20:53 |
| holstein | and running it | 20:53 |
| holstein | *and stopping it | 20:53 |
| Strangebrew | ok | 20:53 |
| Strangebrew | so i need to look for the line 6 driver in the setup? | 20:53 |
| holstein | OK... | 20:53 |
| holstein | you see 'driver' | 20:54 |
| holstein | that will need to stay set to ALSA | 20:54 |
| holstein | but | 20:54 |
| holstein | under that | 20:54 |
| holstein | you see hw:0 | 20:54 |
| holstein | actually... | 20:54 |
| holstein | before we do that | 20:54 |
| holstein | up at the top | 20:54 |
| holstein | you see preset name | 20:54 |
| Strangebrew | yep | 20:54 |
| holstein | go in there and name this preset 'working' | 20:54 |
| holstein | and save it | 20:55 |
| holstein | THEN | 20:55 |
| holstein | name it line6 and save it again | 20:55 |
| holstein | and lets mess with the line6 one | 20:55 |
| holstein | and you can always come back to working | 20:55 |
| holstein | :) | 20:55 |
| Strangebrew | good idea:) | 20:55 |
| Strangebrew | so, i need to try all the interfaces available? | 20:56 |
| holstein | OK | 20:56 |
| holstein | so in the line6 preset | 20:56 |
| holstein | under the ALSA driver setting | 20:56 |
| holstein | you see hw:0 | 20:56 |
| holstein | and an arrow point down | 20:56 |
| holstein | there is also an arrow pointing right | 20:57 |
| holstein | click both of those | 20:57 |
| holstein | and see if you see the line6 ? | 20:57 |
| Strangebrew | yeah, on the right pointing arrow i see two options with UX1 Toneport | 20:58 |
| Strangebrew | hw:1 and hw:1,0 | 20:58 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: really not much to do but experiment around | 21:02 |
| holstein | and try to get the line6 going | 21:03 |
| holstein | you'll need to learn a bit about JACK routing | 21:03 |
| holstein | like, opening ardour | 21:03 |
| holstein | and creating a track | 21:03 |
| holstein | and routing the line6 over to that track you make | 21:03 |
| holstein | or testing | 21:03 |
| holstein | for* | 21:03 |
| Strangebrew | ok, i will look into jack, thank you so much holstein! you helped me alot | 21:04 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: anytime | 21:04 |
| holstein | IF you see it there | 21:04 |
| holstein | in JACK | 21:04 |
| holstein | i think you have a good chance of using it with JACK | 21:04 |
| holstein | and it working | 21:04 |
| holstein | and thats really what you want | 21:04 |
| holstein | its a different workflow from win or OSX usually | 21:05 |
| holstein | *unless you are using JACK in win or OSX | 21:05 |
| holstein | but, JACK is just awesome | 21:05 |
| holstein | and totally worth the learning curve | 21:05 |
| Strangebrew | are you experienced with win music production software? | 21:06 |
| holstein | i used to use cubase | 21:06 |
| holstein | and ive been around a bunch of win and OSX in studios | 21:06 |
| holstein | protools or whatever | 21:06 |
| holstein | i dont have a lot of MIDI experience | 21:07 |
| Strangebrew | and you prefer ubuntu from professional point of view ( or is it ideological, open-source)? | 21:07 |
| holstein | JACK is awesome | 21:08 |
| holstein | and ardour too | 21:08 |
| holstein | i personally prefer the software in everyway | 21:08 |
| holstein | not just because its open | 21:08 |
| Strangebrew | i guess that i'm not a MIDI guy too, gonna use it for recording guitar and vocals | 21:08 |
| holstein | but, the workflow is more like a studio | 21:09 |
| holstein | for example | 21:09 |
| holstein | if i download a reverb | 21:09 |
| holstein | it shows up in JACK | 21:09 |
| holstein | and i use it | 21:09 |
| holstein | route whatever i want to it | 21:09 |
| holstein | with a virtual cable | 21:09 |
| holstein | just like the workflow in a studio | 21:09 |
| holstein | some software is interconnected like that in win and OSX | 21:09 |
| Strangebrew | sounds nice | 21:09 |
| holstein | but, not to this degree | 21:09 |
| holstein | is it always rock-solid? | 21:10 |
| holstein | of course not | 21:10 |
| holstein | but neither are the closed alternatives | 21:10 |
| Strangebrew | well thats good to hear..i always thought that only open-source people are using those open-source software | 21:11 |
| holstein | im sure thats a big part of it | 21:12 |
| Strangebrew | and the closed ones topped them | 21:12 |
| holstein | and i do like the ideals | 21:12 |
| holstein | in general | 21:12 |
| holstein | but, im also into everyone having the right tools for the job | 21:12 |
| holstein | and if that is pro-tools | 21:12 |
| holstein | or cubase | 21:12 |
| holstein | whatever | 21:12 |
| holstein | go for it | 21:12 |
| holstein | but, its not fair to say one platform or app is more capable | 21:13 |
| holstein | unless it actually is | 21:13 |
| Strangebrew | glad to hear an open-mind opinion | 21:13 |
| holstein | mostly its opinion | 21:13 |
| holstein | like, for example | 21:13 |
| holstein | ardour hasnt had MIDI support | 21:13 |
| holstein | ardour 3.x will have it | 21:13 |
| holstein | that should be out in a couple months | 21:13 |
| holstein | but, MIDI folks can use JACK | 21:14 |
| Strangebrew | but theres an alternative to ardour right? | 21:14 |
| holstein | and whatever MIDI sequencer they want | 21:14 |
| holstein | with ardour | 21:14 |
| Strangebrew | oh | 21:14 |
| Strangebrew | ok | 21:14 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: yeah, or a whole other DAW | 21:14 |
| holstein | BUT, if a midi guy preffered the workflow of something else | 21:14 |
| holstein | whatever | 21:14 |
| holstein | i cant argue with that | 21:14 |
| holstein | just dont tell me linux cant do it :) | 21:14 |
| Strangebrew | :) | 21:15 |
| Strangebrew | btw, where can i hear your music? | 21:15 |
| holstein | i just did a little solo bass thing | 21:16 |
| holstein | for the RPM challenge | 21:16 |
| holstein | and put it up and bandcamp | 21:16 |
| holstein | http://holstein.bandcamp.com/ | 21:16 |
| holstein | this is more what i do though | 21:17 |
| holstein | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnThpo0Atk#t=2m50s | 21:17 |
| holstein | not my composition there though ^^ | 21:17 |
| holstein | thats the piano players tune | 21:17 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: you have some music around? | 21:17 |
| Strangebrew | thats amazing holstein, now i'm sure i (potentially) can do what i want in linux | 21:18 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: theres more MIDI folk in that other channel | 21:19 |
| holstein | if you need | 21:19 |
| holstein | i dabble at best in that | 21:19 |
| Strangebrew | nope..i'm just getting into recording seriously... i've got a jamman | 21:19 |
| holstein | AH | 21:19 |
| holstein | ive been messing with sooperlooper | 21:20 |
| holstein | you checked out zoe keating? | 21:20 |
| holstein | she really inspired me | 21:20 |
| Strangebrew | on bandcamp? | 21:20 |
| Strangebrew | dont know her | 21:20 |
| holstein | http://www.zoekeating.com/ | 21:20 |
| Strangebrew | oh heh:) | 21:20 |
| holstein | she uses sooperlooper on OSX | 21:20 |
| Strangebrew | will check that | 21:20 |
| holstein | i was learning sooperlooper | 21:20 |
| holstein | and i heard her stuff | 21:20 |
| Strangebrew | sooperlooper is available on ubuntu? | 21:20 |
| holstein | and though, wonder what software she is useing | 21:21 |
| holstein | and its the same ;) | 21:21 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: yeah, its in the repos | 21:21 |
| holstein | all the ubuntustudio stuff is in the default repo now | 21:21 |
| holstein | you dont need to install ubuntustudio | 21:21 |
| holstein | just whatever software you want | 21:21 |
| holstein | !vanilla | 21:21 |
| ubottu | To install Ubuntu Studio on top of a vanilla Ubuntu install, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation | 21:21 |
| Strangebrew | oh good, seems a little complicated but i guess thats better than installing ubuntu all-over again | 21:23 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: well, you dont need all of those | 21:24 |
| holstein | or any of those | 21:24 |
| holstein | the metapackages are just a group of packages | 21:24 |
| holstein | i usually get | 21:24 |
| holstein | ubuntustudio-audio | 21:24 |
| holstein | and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins | 21:24 |
| holstein | sometimes the menu | 21:24 |
| holstein | and maybe a kernel | 21:25 |
| Strangebrew | and the tweeks? | 21:25 |
| holstein | but, you can just install the software you want | 21:25 |
| holstein | as you go | 21:25 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: the network manager is not installed | 21:25 |
| holstein | in ubunutstudio | 21:25 |
| holstein | but, i wouldnt worry about that | 21:25 |
| holstein | unless you have trouble | 21:25 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: not many tweeks needed anymore | 21:25 |
| Strangebrew | great, so i'll get on with that now:) | 21:27 |
| holstein | Strangebrew: :) | 21:27 |
| Strangebrew | thanks again! | 21:27 |
| holstein | anytime | 21:27 |
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