[03:02] <DeusQain> What would be the best way to go about getting Cinelerra included in the next release?
[03:03] <holstein> DeusQain: sudo apt-get install cinelerra ;)
[03:05] <DeusQain> while you are very accurate on how to install said software.  You didn't answer my question.
[03:05] <holstein> DeusQain: i was hoping that would imply an answer though ;)
[03:06] <holstein> i dont think its going to happen
[03:06] <holstein> but, you can ask over in #ubuntustudio-devel
[03:06] <holstein> and on the mailing list
[03:06] <DeusQain> excellent.
[03:06] <DeusQain> thank you.
[17:30] <mlpug> I have fluidsynth and jackd running. I can hear all bells and whistles OK when using ZynAddSubFX with mouse. I hear nothing when I try to use my USB Midi kbd (keyrig 49). I expected to see that in the left side of MIDI tab of qjackctl connections but its empty. lsusb recognises the keyboard. Any ideas what I am missing here or how to troubleshoot?
[17:30] <mlpug> for example, is there some lower level way to see whether the kbd sends some midi events or not?
[18:16] <mlpug> my earlier case is closed: now my keyboard works. I was on wrong midi channel.
[19:49] <holstein> mlpug: COOL
[19:50] <holstein> there was a great package for that
[19:50] <holstein> i saw ailo suggest it
[19:50] <holstein> reads midi events
[20:29] <Strangebrew> is there a list of sound cards that work well with ubuntu?
[20:29] <holstein> Strangebrew: i can tell you a few places to look
[20:29] <Strangebrew> that would be great
[20:29] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main
[20:30] <holstein> http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport/list
[20:30] <holstein> other than that, i would say try and find someone useing the device
[20:31] <holstein> the presonus firepod
[20:31] <holstein> now the FP-10
[20:31] <holstein> works great out of the box
[20:31] <Strangebrew> thanks!  i'm kinda new so i'm looking for something cheap( less than 350$)
[20:31] <holstein> the zoom H4 is pretty sweet
[20:31] <holstein> the maudio delta 1010lts
[20:31] <holstein> out of the box
[20:31] <holstein> and cheap
[20:32] <holstein> the focusrite saphirePRO40
[20:32] <holstein> ^^ thats probably the most bang for the buck
[20:32] <Strangebrew> oh great , thank you so much! i will check those
[20:32] <holstein> you have to tweak a bit to get it working
[20:32] <holstein> Strangebrew: also, #opensourcemusicians
[20:32] <holstein> if you have a specific device
[20:32] <holstein> might find someone using it there
[20:32] <holstein> i hear about the maudio fastracks
[20:32] <holstein> and cant remember which are good
[20:33] <Strangebrew> i have line 6 toneport which doesnt seem to work
[20:33] <holstein> USB ?
[20:33] <Strangebrew> yeah
[20:33] <holstein> you can try running lsusb
[20:33] <holstein> see if you see it there
[20:33] <holstein> ^^ thats in a terminal
[20:33] <holstein> then
[20:33] <Strangebrew> the drivers are installed and i can see it in the sound preferneces
[20:33] <holstein> aplay -l
[20:33] <Strangebrew> but no sound coming in
[20:33] <holstein> and arecord -l
[20:34] <holstein> IF you see the device in those locations
[20:34] <holstein> you have a pretty good chance
[20:35] <Strangebrew> yeah, but something must be wrong with the device..i cant see any signal on the input
[20:35] <holstein> Strangebrew: but you see the device?
[20:35] <holstein> all those places?
[20:35] <Strangebrew> in sound pref
[20:35] <Strangebrew> only checked there
[20:36] <holstein> check those
[20:36] <holstein> then, try running alsamixer
[20:36] <Strangebrew> ok just a minute
[20:37] <Strangebrew> btw, i'm on ubuntu now (not ubuntustudio)...
[20:38] <holstein> yeah, ubuntu=ubuntustudio
[20:38] <holstein> you have JACK right?
[20:39] <Strangebrew> JACK? not sure, havent downloaded it myself
[20:40] <Strangebrew> i'll look for it
[20:40] <holstein> Strangebrew: you'll want that
[20:40] <holstein> sudo apt-get install qjackctl
[20:40] <holstein> and read through the dependencies
[20:40] <holstein> should see jack2 or jackd
[20:40] <holstein> and others
[20:41] <Strangebrew> downloading qjackct now
[20:42] <holstein> Strangebrew: and JACK right?
[20:42] <holstein> you saw that in the list too?
[20:42] <holstein> maybe 20 packages or so right?
[20:42] <Strangebrew> nope only 10:\
[20:42] <Strangebrew> and jackd wandt there
[20:42] <holstein> probably right
[20:42] <holstein> hmmm
[20:42] <Strangebrew> wasnt
[20:43] <holstein> will see...
[20:43] <Strangebrew> maybe it will be fine, ill check it
[20:43] <holstein> run
[20:43] <holstein> sudo apt-get install jackd
[20:43] <holstein> when that install is done
[20:44] <Strangebrew> running
[20:45] <Strangebrew> the input level still doesnt show a thing:\
[20:46] <holstein> right
[20:46] <holstein> dont worry about that yet
[20:46] <Strangebrew> do i need to restart something?
[20:46] <holstein> Strangebrew: you'll want to learn how to use jack
[20:46] <holstein> its not trivial
[20:47] <Strangebrew> where can i read about it?
[20:47] <holstein> but it is really where the 'magic' of linux audio happens
[20:47] <holstein> well, http://jackaudio.org/
[20:47] <holstein> for a start
[20:47] <holstein> but, asking in here, and that other channel i linked
[20:47] <holstein> anyhow
[20:47] <holstein> Strangebrew: open a terminal
[20:47] <holstein> ans type
[20:47] <holstein> sudo qjackctl
[20:48] <holstein> try hitting the start button
[20:48] <holstein> and tell me what happens?
[20:49] <Strangebrew> well i see RT with changing precentages right to it
[20:49] <holstein> Strangebrew: cool
[20:50] <holstein> ok hit the stop button
[20:50] <holstein> then, when it has stopped
[20:50] <holstein> hit quit
[20:50] <Strangebrew> done
[20:50] <holstein> then, start it as normal user
[20:50] <holstein> either qjackctl
[20:50] <holstein> or in the menu
[20:50] <holstein> jack control
[20:50] <holstein> and try hitting start again
[20:51] <Strangebrew> same situation
[20:51] <holstein> cool
[20:51] <holstein> no errors
[20:51] <holstein> just running?
[20:51] <holstein> right?
[20:51] <Strangebrew> nope
[20:51] <Strangebrew> right
[20:51] <holstein> awesome
[20:51] <holstein> ok, that is JACK
[20:51] <holstein> running with your internal sound card
[20:51] <holstein> you'll probably see an xrun here and there
[20:51] <holstein> little red #'s
[20:52] <holstein> in the jack control panel
[20:52] <holstein> BUT, dont worry about that right now
[20:52] <holstein> what we are going to do is
[20:52] <holstein> stop jack
[20:52] <holstein> with the stop button
[20:52] <holstein> on jack contol there
[20:52] <holstein> then, hit the setup button
[20:52] <holstein> and lets look for the line6
[20:52] <holstein> Strangebrew: jack control = qjackctl
[20:52] <holstein> a GUI frontend to JACK
[20:53] <holstein> for setting it up
[20:53] <holstein> and running it
[20:53] <holstein> *and stopping it
[20:53] <Strangebrew> ok
[20:53] <Strangebrew> so i need to look for the line 6 driver in the setup?
[20:53] <holstein> OK...
[20:54] <holstein> you see 'driver'
[20:54] <holstein> that will need to stay set to ALSA
[20:54] <holstein> but
[20:54] <holstein> under that
[20:54] <holstein> you see hw:0
[20:54] <holstein> actually...
[20:54] <holstein> before we do that
[20:54] <holstein> up at the top
[20:54] <holstein> you see preset name
[20:54] <Strangebrew> yep
[20:54] <holstein> go in there and name this preset 'working'
[20:55] <holstein> and save it
[20:55] <holstein> THEN
[20:55] <holstein> name it line6 and save it again
[20:55] <holstein> and lets mess with the line6 one
[20:55] <holstein> and you can always come back to working
[20:55] <holstein> :)
[20:55] <Strangebrew> good idea:)
[20:56] <Strangebrew> so, i need to try all the interfaces available?
[20:56] <holstein> OK
[20:56] <holstein> so in the line6 preset
[20:56] <holstein> under the ALSA driver setting
[20:56] <holstein> you see hw:0
[20:56] <holstein> and an arrow point down
[20:57] <holstein> there is also an arrow pointing right
[20:57] <holstein> click both of those
[20:57] <holstein> and see if you see the line6 ?
[20:58] <Strangebrew> yeah, on the right pointing arrow  i see   two options with UX1 Toneport
[20:58] <Strangebrew> hw:1  and  hw:1,0
[21:02] <holstein> Strangebrew: really not much to do but experiment around
[21:03] <holstein> and try to get the line6 going
[21:03] <holstein> you'll need to learn a bit about JACK routing
[21:03] <holstein> like, opening ardour
[21:03] <holstein> and creating a track
[21:03] <holstein> and routing the line6 over to that track you make
[21:03] <holstein> or testing
[21:03] <holstein> for*
[21:04] <Strangebrew> ok, i will look into jack,  thank you so much holstein! you helped me alot
[21:04] <holstein> Strangebrew: anytime
[21:04] <holstein> IF you see it there
[21:04] <holstein> in JACK
[21:04] <holstein> i think you have a good chance of using it with JACK
[21:04] <holstein> and it working
[21:04] <holstein> and thats really what you want
[21:05] <holstein> its a different workflow from win or OSX usually
[21:05] <holstein> *unless you are using JACK in win or OSX
[21:05] <holstein> but, JACK is just awesome
[21:05] <holstein> and totally worth the learning curve
[21:06] <Strangebrew> are you experienced with win music production  software?
[21:06] <holstein> i used to use cubase
[21:06] <holstein> and ive been around a bunch of win and OSX in studios
[21:06] <holstein> protools or whatever
[21:07] <holstein> i dont have a lot of MIDI experience
[21:07] <Strangebrew> and you prefer ubuntu from professional point of view ( or is it ideological, open-source)?
[21:08] <holstein> JACK is awesome
[21:08] <holstein> and ardour too
[21:08] <holstein> i personally prefer the software in everyway
[21:08] <holstein> not just because its open
[21:08] <Strangebrew> i guess that i'm not a MIDI guy too, gonna use it for recording guitar and vocals
[21:09] <holstein> but, the workflow is more like a studio
[21:09] <holstein> for example
[21:09] <holstein> if i download a reverb
[21:09] <holstein> it shows up in JACK
[21:09] <holstein> and i use it
[21:09] <holstein> route whatever i want to it
[21:09] <holstein> with a virtual cable
[21:09] <holstein> just like the workflow in a studio
[21:09] <holstein> some software is interconnected like that in win and OSX
[21:09] <Strangebrew> sounds nice
[21:09] <holstein> but, not to this degree
[21:10] <holstein> is it always rock-solid?
[21:10] <holstein> of course not
[21:10] <holstein> but neither are the closed alternatives
[21:11] <Strangebrew> well thats good to hear..i always thought that only open-source people  are using those open-source software
[21:12] <holstein> im sure thats a big part of it
[21:12] <Strangebrew> and the closed ones topped them
[21:12] <holstein> and i do like the ideals
[21:12] <holstein> in general
[21:12] <holstein> but, im also into everyone having the right tools for the job
[21:12] <holstein> and if that is pro-tools
[21:12] <holstein> or cubase
[21:12] <holstein> whatever
[21:12] <holstein> go for it
[21:13] <holstein> but, its not fair to say one platform or app is more capable
[21:13] <holstein> unless it actually is
[21:13] <Strangebrew> glad to hear an open-mind opinion
[21:13] <holstein> mostly its opinion
[21:13] <holstein> like, for example
[21:13] <holstein> ardour hasnt had MIDI support
[21:13] <holstein> ardour 3.x will have it
[21:13] <holstein> that should be out in a couple months
[21:14] <holstein> but, MIDI folks can use JACK
[21:14] <Strangebrew> but theres an alternative to ardour right?
[21:14] <holstein> and whatever MIDI sequencer they want
[21:14] <holstein> with ardour
[21:14] <Strangebrew> oh
[21:14] <Strangebrew> ok
[21:14] <holstein> Strangebrew: yeah, or a whole other DAW
[21:14] <holstein> BUT, if a midi guy preffered the workflow of something else
[21:14] <holstein> whatever
[21:14] <holstein> i cant argue with that
[21:14] <holstein> just dont tell me linux cant do it :)
[21:15] <Strangebrew> :)
[21:15] <Strangebrew> btw, where can i hear your music?
[21:16] <holstein> i just did a little solo bass thing
[21:16] <holstein> for the RPM challenge
[21:16] <holstein> and put it up and bandcamp
[21:16] <holstein> http://holstein.bandcamp.com/
[21:17] <holstein> this is more what i do though
[21:17] <holstein> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RnThpo0Atk#t=2m50s
[21:17] <holstein> not my composition there though ^^
[21:17] <holstein> thats the piano players tune
[21:17] <holstein> Strangebrew: you have some music around?
[21:18] <Strangebrew> thats amazing holstein, now i'm sure i (potentially) can do what i want in linux
[21:19] <holstein> Strangebrew: theres more MIDI folk in that other channel
[21:19] <holstein> if you need
[21:19] <holstein> i dabble at best in that
[21:19] <Strangebrew> nope..i'm just getting into recording seriously... i've got a jamman
[21:19] <holstein> AH
[21:20] <holstein> ive been messing with sooperlooper
[21:20] <holstein> you checked out zoe keating?
[21:20] <holstein> she really inspired me
[21:20] <Strangebrew> on bandcamp?
[21:20] <Strangebrew> dont know her
[21:20] <holstein> http://www.zoekeating.com/
[21:20] <Strangebrew> oh heh:)
[21:20] <holstein> she uses sooperlooper on OSX
[21:20] <Strangebrew> will check that
[21:20] <holstein> i was learning sooperlooper
[21:20] <holstein> and i heard her stuff
[21:20] <Strangebrew> sooperlooper is available on ubuntu?
[21:21] <holstein> and though, wonder what software she is useing
[21:21] <holstein> and its the same ;)
[21:21] <holstein> Strangebrew: yeah, its in the repos
[21:21] <holstein> all the ubuntustudio stuff is in the default repo now
[21:21] <holstein> you dont need to install ubuntustudio
[21:21] <holstein> just whatever software you want
[21:21] <holstein> !vanilla
[21:23] <Strangebrew> oh good, seems a little complicated but i guess thats better than installing ubuntu all-over again
[21:24] <holstein> Strangebrew: well, you dont need all of those
[21:24] <holstein> or any of those
[21:24] <holstein> the metapackages are just a group of packages
[21:24] <holstein> i usually get
[21:24] <holstein> ubuntustudio-audio
[21:24] <holstein> and ubuntustudio-audio-plugins
[21:24] <holstein> sometimes the menu
[21:25] <holstein> and maybe a kernel
[21:25] <Strangebrew> and the tweeks?
[21:25] <holstein> but, you can just install the software you want
[21:25] <holstein> as you go
[21:25] <holstein> Strangebrew: the network manager is not installed
[21:25] <holstein> in ubunutstudio
[21:25] <holstein> but, i wouldnt worry about that
[21:25] <holstein> unless you have trouble
[21:25] <holstein> Strangebrew: not many tweeks needed anymore
[21:27] <Strangebrew> great, so i'll get on with that now:)
[21:27] <holstein> Strangebrew: :)
[21:27] <Strangebrew> thanks again!
[21:27] <holstein> anytime