[00:07] <surreal7z> hi... well, I don't have a problem, just a question... how is it possible that we are able run programs on xubuntu... with user... when all the programs are owned by root and it says that only root has access to them?.. so, I'm confused...
[00:07] <surreal7z> for example... I run a program from /usr/bin ... without root privilages but it's owned by root
[00:07] <knome> surreal7z, when you use sudo, you run those commands with root rights
[00:08] <surreal7z> jea... but when you don't use sudo... they run eather way..
[00:08] <surreal7z> but they have root as an owner
[00:08] <knome> you mean like services that are started on boot?
[00:08] <surreal7z> well, that also
[00:09] <surreal7z> when you type in terminal only thunar
[00:09] <surreal7z> it will open
[00:09] <surreal7z> but when i see a file... it's own by root?
[00:09] <surreal7z> or it isn't... it says root...
[00:09] <charlie-tca> It has to do with the permissions for each file in the system
[00:09] <cody-somerville> surreal7z, Its possible because you have read permissions and the executable bit is set on it
[00:10] <charlie-tca> some files, any user is allowed to execute, some files, only root is allowed to execute them.
[00:11] <surreal7z> well, okej... thx :)
[00:11]  * charlie-tca thinks that is a really good question to ask
[00:14] <cody-somerville> surreal7z, basically, when you run a program say from the command line bash forks into two separate processes and then one called the exec() syscall to replace the process image with another (ie. the program you told bash to run).
[00:14] <cody-somerville> surreal7z, The kernel loads the given filename which expects it to be in the ELF format. ELF tells the kernel how to setup the process map, where to put particular sections, etc. and then the kernel begins executing at a given address.
[00:17] <surreal7z> thx for explanation that i  partially understand :D   i will investigate things a bit little more
[00:18] <cody-somerville> surreal7z, And unless the suid bit is set, the process will retain your uid - ie. will run as you.
[00:19] <cody-somerville> surreal7z, For programs that require root to run, the program does start but exits either after checking to see if you're root or it tries to do something that requires root privileges and is denied.
[03:17] <grunwald> HI ALL
[03:18] <grunwald> how can I make xubuntu more eye candy ?
[03:18] <grunwald> II tried compiz mgrs
[03:19] <grunwald> and just did not work for me
[03:20] <grunwald> ok Thamx I guess I am to novice for this channel ...LOL
[04:08] <miyagin> hi everyone
[10:05] <xnatty_daily> heya
[10:05] <xnatty_daily> xubuntu natty is pretty!!!!
[10:06] <xnatty_daily> a virtual desktop widget out-of-the-box would be nice though :)
[13:49] <Gaudi> Hi all
[15:24] <pablocolaiacovo> please, I need some help with a sound issue...
[15:25] <charlie-tca> Please ask your question all in one line. All of us are volunteers and will attempt to answer if we know.
[15:26] <pablocolaiacovo> since today I don't have audio in my laptop, I'm a beginner here so I don't know where to look
[15:27] <Gaudi> I am reading a primer on IRC commands
[15:27] <charlie-tca> !audio
[15:28] <Gaudi> The /away command without anything behind it should unmark my away status
[15:29] <charlie-tca> no
[15:29] <charlie-tca> the /away command without anything else still marks you away. the /back command unmarks away
[15:30] <Gaudi> Thanks - I'm officially back now
[15:30] <Gaudi> Primer still in Alpha status : http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html#Commands
[15:39] <Sysi> in irssi /away works for unmarking
[15:40] <charlie-tca> so it depends on the client
[15:41] <Gaudi> I use XChat
[15:43] <Sysi> Alt A iirc
[15:51] <fff000> hello! can anyone help me with a vnc-related problem?
[15:51] <charlie-tca> Please ask your question all in one line. All of us are volunteers and will attempt to answer if we know.
[15:52] <fff000> ok. Thank you! Is it possible to connect with vnc to a machine running xubuntu 10.4 but does not have a video card? I tried to install xvfb but still can't make it work
[15:53] <charlie-tca> Never tried, but I suspect not, since without a video card, nothing displays
[15:54] <charlie-tca> I think vnc still uses the video output of the remote machine
[15:54] <fff000> the problem is that when I start vnc-server it says there is no video card
[15:54] <charlie-tca> heh, it's right, too, isn't it.
[15:56] <Sysi> i think it might be possible with some vnc system to create xsession without actual display
[15:56] <charlie-tca> Sysi, TheSheep : Any way to use vnc-server without a video card?
[15:57] <fff000> i found some info on google about xvfb that it creates a virtual framebuffer within the system RAM
[15:58] <Sysi> http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/man/Xvnc.html
[16:00] <fff000> I read about that too... the thing is that I can't find xvnc anywhere...
[16:00] <fff000> all I was able to find was a link that sent me to tightvnc
[16:07] <Sysi> aptitude show directvnc
[16:09] <Sysi> aptitude show vnc4server says Note: This server does not need a display
[16:14] <fff000> it worked! thank you very much! I really appreciate it!
[16:16] <Gaudi> Looked at the raw log: XChat translates /BACK and sends AWAY to server
[16:17] <Gaudi> So it's a 'feature' of XChat ;-)
[16:18] <Gaudi> charlie-tca, thanks for the help
[18:34] <andrewvc> does anyone know of a good GUI tool to enable a second monitor in XFCE?
[18:34] <andrewvc> when I plug a monitor into my laptop, the xfce gui tool shows none
[18:35] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 25 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[18:35] <charlie-tca> if freenode settles down enough to have it
[19:35] <_Techie_> whats a really good lightweight web browser?
[19:35] <charlie-tca> midorie
[19:35] <charlie-tca> well, midori, actually
[19:36] <_Techie_> it has a GUI im assuming>
[19:36] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:36] <charlie-tca> If you don't want the gui, look at elinks or w3m
[19:36] <_Techie_> nah, i want the GUI
[19:36] <_Techie_> its for a chrooted install on my phone
[19:39] <TheSheep> chromium
[19:41] <_Techie_> which one would be better? its running on a phone with a 480mhz CPU
[19:42] <charlie-tca> w3m
[19:42] <charlie-tca> heh
[19:42] <_Techie_> hey, i said gui charlie
[19:42] <_Techie_> =P
[19:42] <charlie-tca> yeah, I don't know, on 480mhz
[19:43] <_Techie_> well ill be overclocking it to 600mhz
[19:43] <Unit193> I have a 500MHz computer with midori...
[22:17] <wizardslovak> thats weird
[22:17] <wizardslovak> i updated system
[22:17] <wizardslovak> and all youtube videos are red color
[22:18] <wizardslovak> wtf?
[23:13] <surreal7z> how to hide modification time in ls command?.. i tried everything :\
[23:13] <surreal7z> ls -l
[23:16] <f1assistance> how does lubuntu compare to lubuntu? I have a laptop with PIII 1 GHz processor and 1 GB RAM...
[23:21] <f1assistance> how does lubuntu compare to xubuntu, I mean...
[23:54] <wizardslovak> how do i enable gnash?
[23:55] <Sysi> install it
[23:55] <wizardslovak> yes i did
[23:55] <wizardslovak> removed adobe flash
[23:55] <wizardslovak> but youtube still aint working
[23:55] <Sysi> get the propiatry flash
[23:55] <wizardslovak> ??
[23:55] <wizardslovak> which is?
[23:55] <Sysi> afaik youtube don't work with gnash atm
[23:55] <wizardslovak> well
[23:56] <Sysi> flashplugin-nonfree
[23:56] <Sysi> you need to remove gnash
[23:56] <wizardslovak> reason is
[23:56] <wizardslovak> i updated system and now all videos on youtube are redish
[23:58] <wizardslovak> ok i removed gnash installed plugin nonfree
[23:58] <wizardslovak> now i dont see anyting
[23:59] <wizardslovak> no youtube
[23:59] <wizardslovak> cant play
[23:59] <wizardslovak> no error
[23:59] <Sysi> restart browser