[01:41] re [01:57] downloaded the amd64 for alpha 3 and on latest version of VirtualBox (host OS Windows 7) it boots to a black screen [02:47] zomg finally got amd64 to install in virtualbox [02:47] first time since alpha 1 [02:49] http://www.classnamer.com/?repost! I got "StatelessTaskState" [02:50] "AbstractScrollbarPreference" [03:52] apachelogger and Riddell: " ScottK: gcc-4.5 test packages available in the ubuntu-toolchain-r PPA. feedback appreciated" - Can one of you test them? [03:57] ScottK: sorry this may not concern to me, but what us ubuntu-toolchain-r PPA? [03:57] c2tarun: It's a PPA where the Ubuntu toolchain maintainers test new packages (like a new GCC version in this case) before uploading them to Ubuntu. [04:24] How can I apply the debdiff uploaded on a bug and check whether its working or not? === SolidLiq is now known as solid_liq [05:45] what does this mean in a Makefile LIBS=@LIBS@ === KRF_ is now known as KRF [08:28] morning [08:38] just in case, does anyone maintain polkit-kde on upstream here ? === gorgonizer__ is now known as gorgonizer === Earthwings_ is now known as Earthwings === fabo__ is now known as fabo [11:34] ScottK: perhaps, perhaps not, I am going to visit my parents over the weekend so I have no idea whether I'll have time [11:34] ScottK: I'd say let us just build phonon and kdelibs, if they build we should be good ^^ [11:34] everyone: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/how-to-create-a-media-player-in-30-seconds/#comment-1079 [12:00] That comment makes me want to life life dangerously and upgrade to Natty [12:16] zomg [12:16] WE HAVE AN N900 KERNEL!!!! [12:16] omg omg omg omg [12:16] * apachelogger falls over and dies and stuff [12:16] Trouble: do not do it if you are on intel [12:16] not until Qt 4.7.2 is in anyway [12:17] .1 segfault just about anywhere anytime and generally always [12:17] most unplesent [12:17] omg! I think you just saved my life! [12:17] No wonder you are my #1 hero [12:17] :) [12:17] * apachelogger hugs Trouble [12:17] * Trouble sits and waits for Qt 4.7.2 [12:18] ScottK: I'd really like to get LZMA on ARM back btw... for testing [12:18] testing being - upgrade and see if n900 dies from the load [12:19] which it generally shouldn't, but you never know ... if it does not we should leave it on and only turn it off for large beasts [12:19] large being - takes long to build [12:51] ScottK: note of advise, apparently one even needs to copy around the abi for minor changes [12:51] odd enough [12:52] needs more looking into [13:06] hi all, i have a problem with kopete: starting it takes ages, on command line i get following error: kopete(9806): Communication problem with "kopete" , it probably crashed. Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" any ideas? (kde 4.6.0 on kubuntu) [13:13] evdvelde: try asking in #kubuntu [13:16] apachelogger: Very cool. [13:29] hm, new konq-plugins tar === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:29] c2tarun: asked there, but they are all dead over there :) [13:31] yofel: the handbooks are missing in the konq-plugins tarball [13:31] ah, that's why the diff is huge.. [13:31] was wondering about that just now [13:34] evdvelde: better call them sleeping ;) dont worry have patience someone will reply [13:34] ow sorry :) === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === tarun is now known as Guest68165 [13:56] * apachelogger sends kubotu to take a shower [14:33] is natty very crashy currently? (yes i know disclaimer dev version etc) [14:34] seaLne: nope [14:36] hmm choqok and konqueror + ofcourse the usual plasma stuff is crashing evry few minutes for me [14:39] I've heard others say this. It's been pretty stable for me. [14:41] ah ah [14:42] seaLne: if you have intel, then you do not want natty just now [14:46] yeah intel graphics [14:47] (and other stuff) [14:47] apachelogger: I've got Intel. Seems ~fine. [14:47] what's wrong with intel? [14:47] hmmm [14:48] here too (945GME though) [14:48] ScottK: Qt crashes ever so often on my netbook [14:48] Perhaps some specific chipset. [14:48] possibly [14:48] apachelogger: that's Qt, not intel [14:48] apachelogger: We've got the same netbook and it doesn't seem crashy to me. [14:48] (not terribly so) [14:48] new Qt should fix that [14:48] then I shall shrug my way out of it [14:48] apachelogger: Maybe someone near you is giving off negative waves. [14:48] mine is a Mobile 4 Series Chipset [14:48] maybe [14:49] * apachelogger will use meego now anyway [14:49] apachelogger: my intel natty machine is fine [14:49] mark makes upstream angry, me being upstream means I must go angry too [14:49] it is a conflict within [14:49] haha [14:49] apachelogger: like having a serbian mother and a croatian father in 1992? [14:49] * apachelogger throws the tablet out the window for not spitting out fllipping verbose boot information [14:50] maco: maybe not as confliciting [14:50] * ScottK almost invoked Godwin's law by accident searching for an example from apachelogger's local history. [14:51] i know a guy who's part serbian, part croatian, part bosnian and grew up in sarajevo. he used to say during the war that every morning he wakes up thinking he's sposed to kill himself [14:52] and that is why the invention of war was a great mistake [14:54] * ScottK thinks it was peace that had to be invented. [14:56] peace was invented in 1809 by mr peace, who later on became prime minister of spain [14:56] he actually was the grand grand father of walt disney [14:57] Once of my French instructors when I was in school was a cousin of Walt Disney. I always got the impression he was somewhat bitter about not being in on the fortune. [14:57] Once/One [14:58] and sparked a revolution? [14:59] No. Just taught us French to some degree. [14:59] it was the great disney revolution of 67 [14:59] where half the clan was pro-communism and the other half pro-nudism [14:59] eventually they settled on nude communism [14:59] * apachelogger needs to stop with that [15:02] * apachelogger unbreaks his tablet so he shall be able to gain access to their most secret firmware magic and alter random bits fro 0 to 1 and see if it makes booting verbose [15:03] the funniest thing about the developer firmware is that it actually has an up-side-down boot splash and that angstrom then continues with this [15:18] is anyone going to upload 4.6.1? :) [15:19] anyone want to do some more maverick testing with 4.6.1 before I copy it? === nigelb_ is now known as nigelb [15:25] 'names === lubyou_ is now known as lubyou [15:28] oh my [15:28] hello all :D [15:28] hey shadeslayer_ [15:29] apachelogger: nice .. now to figure out why it does'nt install on my phone :< [15:29] yofel: there were 17 users in #kubuntu-devel a few minutes ago :P [15:29] seems i split :P [15:29] yeah, split hell today === 18VAABK5M is now known as CIA-66 [15:30] aye === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [15:42] there are some kde packages that FTBFS on this page. http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi should we look into them and fix them? [15:45] c2tarun: yes, except the ones that are listed in bug #727386 [15:45] Launchpad bug 727386 in Ubuntu "Please remove several kde3 packages (source and binary)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727386 [15:47] debfx: can I get them reviewed here and then upload to kubuntu-ninjas ppa? or I should file bug on LP? [15:49] c2tarun: we use the ninjas ppa only to package new kde versions. I think it's best to file bugs === debfx changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | beta 1 bugs http://goo.gl/23eui [16:18] nobody yet, debfx was asking the same a while ago [16:18] whee [16:19] kde4libs is in, someone must have uploaded that [16:19] not being able to talk to people doesn't make it easier.. [16:19] quintasan did that [16:19] bad freenode! [16:19] just got the mail on natty-changes [16:19] Riddell: yes, I've uploaded it, too like 20 minutes :( [16:20] debfx: are you planning on uploading the rest as well? [16:20] darn it ... [16:20] yofel: it comes out in June [16:20] :( [16:20] ah right, you signed it [16:20] Riddell: all set? :D [16:21] shadeslayer: something to enjoy for summer holidays then... [16:21] * yofel is quiet and copies 4.6.1 [16:21] shadeslayer: for what? [16:21] Riddell: http://www.noteslate.com/ [16:22] oh [16:22] Riddell: i meant .... all set for your flight on sunday? [16:22] Riddell: I'd appreciate it if someone with a better network connection could upload the rest [16:23] yofel: ^^ [16:23] shadeslayer: me no have upload rights [16:23] shadeslayer: my flight is on Monday, I'm in England until then staying in Mohandras Gandhi's old room [16:24] Riddell: an extra 'r' there :P [16:24] s/Monandras/Mohandas [16:24] shadeslayer, who are you speaking ito ? [16:25] darn [16:25] ja [16:25] * shadeslayer didn't see the netsplit === kozz_ is now known as kozz [16:30] freenode is a netsplit hell and launchpad is a timeout hell - great day [16:30] :S === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin === superfly__ is now known as superfly === ferai is now known as jefferai [16:46] Riddell: looks ok? https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kde-release-day-461 [16:46] I'll wait before publishing until the packages actually make it into the ppa - I copied them, but got a 'delayed copy' for all of them [16:47] * shadeslayer looks [16:48] yofel: looking good [16:48] yofel: I don't know why delayed copying happens but it doesn't take too long, 10 minutes or so === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === dpm_ is now known as dpm [16:51] yofel: let me run a test upgrade on ec2 before publishing [16:52] sure, my tests went fine here [16:53] ~+1 for ading partition manager to the system settings in Natty BTW [16:53] why nearly? :P [16:53] always prudent to test again after copying, it's not unknown for some problem to occur in the transition between PPAs [16:54] true, if the packages would actually start to arrive I would be happy... [16:54] ah, akonadi made it [16:56] yeah they show up a bit late [16:57] As simple user we can't change Milestone field ? [16:57] (on my own bug) [16:57] bambee: nope [16:57] bambee: i can change it :) [16:58] needs bug supervisor rights [16:58] ^^ i haz :P [16:58] :P [16:58] shadeslayer: bug 728595 [16:58] Launchpad bug 728595 in polkit-kde-1 (Ubuntu) "polkit-kde-1 crashes randomly on logout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728595 [16:59] bambee: next dev release? [16:59] er [16:59] it should be tagged for the next beta, imho [16:59] bambee: shouldn't this be reported upstream? [17:01] bambee: you need debug symbols [17:01] as I said on this bug, I think it should yup [17:02] shadeslayer: I've debug symbols [17:02] except one [17:02] done [17:02] bambee: please report upstream as well and link the 2 bugs [17:03] one symbol is missing, and I think won't help too much (the backtrace is already understandable) [17:03] shadeslayer: ok [17:03] #10 0x00007f4b04a36be4 in PolkitQt1::Agent::Session::~Session() () from /usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-agent-1.so.1 << doesn't tell us which line the error happens in [17:03] :) [17:05] Riddell: are you going to upload kde-l10n? or how to does one even upload that? [17:05] shadeslayer: there is one line in this destructor :) [17:05] bambee: ah .. didn't know that :P [17:06] and basically the problem occurs because the destructor is called twice so a developer on upstream should understand the problem quickly [17:06] :) [17:06] yeah .. /me is looking at it :) [17:08] shadeslayer: polkit-qt-1-0.99.0/agent/polkitqt1-agent-session.cpp [17:10] yofel: I won't be able to, needs someone with upload rights to follow this https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide [17:10] interesting [17:10] bambee: trunk looks fine [17:10] yofel: or anyone to follow it and someone with uploda rights to sign [17:11] Riddell: I just gave the Kubuntu report at the Release Team meeting. === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [17:11] Riddell: ok, I'll figure out how to upload to the ppa at least from that [17:12] thanks ScottK [17:12] apachelogger knows how to do l10n uploads. [17:13] yofel: do you have bandwidth or do you need ec2? [17:13] apachelogger: upload l10n :D [17:13] Riddell: I have enough for that [17:18] shadeslayer: bug is already reported on upstream https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=265010 [17:18] KDE bug 265010 in polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1 "Application: PolicyKit1-KDE (polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1), signal: Segmentation fault" [Crash,Unconfirmed] [17:19] this is exactly the same backtrace in the same circonstances [17:20] hmm [17:34] Riddell: If you do have a few minutes it would be lovely if you could free the n900 kernel from binary New. [17:34] bambee: i don't see it being deleted twice [17:36] shadeslayer: the destructor is called twice so "d" is deleted twice :) [17:36] bambee: yes, but i don't see the destructor being called twice [17:36] apachelogger: ping [17:37] the part which is confusing is the following: if you look at the backtrace the destructor calls itself o_O [17:37] lolya [17:37] ah [17:37] AH [17:37] doh [17:38] bambee: what happens when you write delete d ... it goes into the destructor .... right? [17:39] one could do something like : if(!d->isNull()) : if that's supported [17:40] normally destructors in the classes hierarchies are called from subclasses to base classes, then the object is freed [17:40] shadeslayer: only if d is a qpointer (or equivalent) [17:40] d is a Private * [17:41] but the idea is good [17:41] however it's a workaround since a destructor should not be called twice :) [17:41] yeah [17:41] (semantically it does not make sense) [17:41] i agree, it's a workaround [17:48] yofel: packages ready to sign and upload, you should have access to ec2-50-17-25-175.compute-1.amazonaws.com [17:48] ubuntu@ec2-50-17-25-175.compute-1.amazonaws.com [17:48] give debfx or someone else access to sign then upload [17:48] bambee: i figured it out [17:48] but i have no idea how to fix it [17:49] yofel: upgrade test went fine, good to announce on kubuntu.org, keep an eye out for users using it incase of problems [17:49] bambee: see d is a object of Private right? [17:49] Mamarok is usually a good spotter of problems [17:49] ScottK: sorry no time [17:49] * Riddell out [17:49] OK. [17:49] Riddell: and we have : class Session::Private [17:49] doh [17:49] bambee: ^^ [17:50] jjesse: ping [17:51] bambee: so it calls ~Session() over itself [17:51] and fails [17:55] Riddell: ok, so get someone to sign it then dput ubuntu ... ? [17:56] shadeslayer: no d is a object of Session [17:56] bambee: er no .. https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/polkit-qt-1/repository/revisions/master/entry/agent/polkitqt1-agent-session.h#L69 [17:57] and then Session derives from Private [17:57] oohhh right [17:57] lulz POLKIT_AGENT_I_KNOW_API_IS_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE [17:58] you mean Session delegates to Private :P [17:58] bambee: and then Session overloads ~Private() [17:58] * bambee hides [17:58] bambee: yeah i still used the old terms :P [17:58] since those are still used in India [17:59] ok [17:59] that delete should probably go into ~Private() ... but i'm not 100 % sure [18:03] apachelogger: around? [18:04] shadeslayer: since "d" is allocated dynamically in Session() (see constructor) so it must be freed dynamically in Session. (we should finish this discussion in pv, it's a totally off topic) [18:04] okay :) [18:16] yofel: ping [18:17] hm? [18:17] yofel: hey you remember the bug I filed for kde-packagers mailing list? [18:17] yes? [18:18] I just got a reply on that bug, can you please take a look https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=267577 [18:18] Error: Error getting KDE bug #267577: NotPermitted [18:18] access denied [18:18] you need to be on the access list [18:19] shadeslayer: what is the access list? and what is meaning of vouche? (I mean not literally) why they need someone for vouche? [18:19] vouch? vouch for what? [18:19] ah, they need someone they know that knows you [18:20] yup ^^ [18:20] c2tarun: and some bugs are security issues, so sometimes only a certain set of people get access to that bug [18:20] that list of people is called a access list [18:20] shadeslayer: it's his bug [18:20] it's usually for sysadmin problems [18:20] ah [18:20] about getting put on kde-packager [18:20] how can I get on that access list? [18:20] c2tarun: they will talk to Riddell and get back to you [18:21] c2tarun: you are already on the access list for that bug :P [18:21] brb [18:21] sure [18:21] ^^ involuntary response [18:21] no I mean not bug access list :) the list he is talking about in comment. [18:22] shadeslayer: are you able to view the bug? [18:22] c2tarun: no [18:22] c2tarun: since i'm not on the access list of that bug :P [18:22] c2tarun: did you mention that you are packaging for kubuntu? [18:22] shadeslayer: I mentioned that I am packaging for KDE :/ how can I add you to access list [18:22] ? [18:23] c2tarun: no need to add me to the access list, just say that you are packaging for Kubuntu and they will contact Riddell [18:23] * debfx continues uploading [18:23] shadeslayer: ok :) thanks [18:23] go go debfx [18:23] what do i do :P [18:24] shadeslayer: should I mention that I am on kubuntu-ninjas list? do you think this might help? [18:25] c2tarun: nope, just mention that you work on kubuntu packages :) [18:25] shadeslayer: ok :) [18:29] debfx: do you need packages? Riddell prepared them [18:30] yofel: ah, why hasn't he uploaded them? [18:30] debfx: dunno, he told me to get you to sign them and then to get them uploaded [18:31] give me a sec [18:31] debfx: ubuntu@ec2-50-17-25-175.compute-1.amazonaws.com [18:32] yofel: permission denied [18:32] is libmarblewidget10 supposed to be removed? [18:32] debfx: try again? [18:33] shadeslayer: I got 11 instead [18:33] yofel: still the same [18:33] well it wants to upgrade 11 [18:33] again? [18:34] yofel: do you need help with packages? [18:34] shadeslayer: not unless you have kubuntu-dev rights [18:34] hehe ... nope i don't have those [18:34] i should apply sometime [18:35] yofel: yep, works now [18:35] good, I edited the wrong file :S [19:09] debfx: I added you to ssh for ubuntu@ec2-50-17-25-175.compute-1.amazonaws.com [19:10] Riddell: yep, I'm already uploading the remaining packages [19:11] apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/21766940000.jpg => mickey is also involved in kubuntu development :D ? [19:11] Is LP being slow for anyone else? [19:12] he rocks, I guess, doesn't he ? :P [19:17] DarkwingDuck: When is it not slow? [19:18] * bambee votes for mickey as the new kubuntu mascot [19:18] hahah [19:18] i bet apachelogger will be pleased [19:21] ScottK: +1 [19:21] ScottK: plus, I'm on a sub-par internet connection at a hotel [19:34] and now to the fun part: i18n packages [19:37] debfx: good thing you have a ec2 machine [19:37] just run the script and forget about it :P [19:38] ok time to sleep [19:38] night all [19:38] gn [19:42] yofel: dude, whats the plan for your lightning talk? [19:42] you need 3 people for 5 minutes? [19:43] nigelb: ask Quintasan after the session - we won't talk long (and shadeslayer is already asleep) [19:43] yofel: lol, I need to add you folks to the sessions so I wanted to check [19:43] I'll add you and Quintasan [19:44] okay [19:44] nigelb: thanks [19:44] np :) [19:44] I wasn't sure who would show up so I added them both [20:02] apachelogger: wow, I got some listeners after all [20:03] I guess the topic you thought of wasnt so bad === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter_work [20:37] apachelogger: very lonely in my hotel room right now. noone to talk to. be a friend, talk to me! [20:40] lol [20:40] markey: join ubuntu-classroom [20:41] I will talk about daily builds of KDE [20:46] markey: wanna Skype? [21:29] Mamarok: yeah [21:29] got anyone else? [21:29] just us two, we might as well phone :) [21:29] DarkwingDuck: pong [21:29] apachelogger: skype with us. [21:29] markey: hai [21:29] in a sec [21:29] ScottK, yofel: l10n is documented on some wiki page actually [21:30] Mamarok: did you leave any of those little coffees here that make you awake? [21:30] Quintasan: of course it wasn't bad [21:30] apachelogger: I think I figured it out for maverick [21:31] for mav there shoudl be a separate bzr branch actually [21:31] my body tells me, get to bed. my brain tells me, go to bed. but the majority of my brain (sitting in my trousers) says: stay up, go outside, chat up some women (or do the next best thing, chat up people on Skype) [21:31] yeah, I used the mav branch [21:31] total dilemma [21:31] yofel: all good then I suppose [21:31] I just took me a while to get what the script was talking abot [21:31] *about [21:32] markey: my body brain and the fella in my pants all say go to bed :P [21:32] no dilemma here [21:32] oh yeah [21:32] yofel: the wiki page helps with that I guess [21:32] at any rate, going to bed at 10:30 pm feels douche bag [21:32] no go [21:34] http://przxqgl.hybridelephant.com/?p=5046 <---- shadeslayer [21:35] :-) [21:39] is it porn? [21:39] awwwww [21:39] no porn [21:39] :( [21:39] lame === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [21:49] apachelogger: I could get some lame porn if you like [21:56] markey: call on me [21:56] wtf [21:57] need a drink first [21:57] your drain me emotionally [21:57] uh [21:57] cybersex? [21:59] apachelogger: are teh fluffy packages in your ppa? [22:00] no in the fluffy ppa [22:01] ahhhh, then is it just a theme set? [22:01] mostly [22:02] Okay sweet. [22:02] The wife wants to check it out now that I got her to switch to KDE from gnome [22:15] uhhh [22:15] lovely [22:15] ++kde [22:22] * apachelogger thinks that markey doesnt love him anymore and leaves for drugs [22:41] apachelogger: No amount of documentation will make l10n uploads easier for me than saying "apachelogger knows how to do it". [22:41] I will not upload l10n when I am working for meego :P [22:46] You're working for meego? I thought that got sold to Microsoft. [22:53] ScottK: no [22:53] to intel [22:53] (again) [22:53] back to the roootz [22:56] cool [22:56] natty doesnt even care that I just plugged in a mass storage [22:56] this release is coming along nicely for sure [23:12] * apachelogger wonders what the point of it all is and condludes that it must be time for vacation