[15:55] <zul> hi
[15:55] <skaet_> hi zul
[15:57] <victorp> o/
[15:57] <smb> \o
[15:59]  * marjo waves
[15:59]  * jdstrand_ waves
[15:59]  * joshuahoover waves
[15:59]  * oubiwann waves
[15:59] <skaet_> coolio.... quorum has gathered.  :)
[16:00] <skaet_> #startmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is skaet_.
[16:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:00] <pitti> o/
[16:00] <skaet_> [Topic] Natty overview - skaet_
[16:00] <skaet_> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[16:00] <skaet_> .
[16:00] <skaet_> Agenda is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-03-04
[16:00] <skaet_> Its currently the bugs that were still open from last week, as the new ones haven't been added yet.  I'll be starting off the tracking agenda (for 2011-03-11 meeting) with this week's A3 release discovered (and others) bugs in it on next monday/tuesday.
[16:00] <MootBot> New Topic:  Natty overview - skaet_
[16:00] <skaet_> .
[16:00] <skaet_> Milestoned bugs for beta can be found:
[16:00] <skaet_> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone=33574.
[16:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone=33574.
[16:00] <skaet_> Bugs targetted for this release can be found:
[16:00] <skaet_> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+bugs
[16:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+bugs
[16:00] <skaet_> I'll be working with the individual team leads and managers next week to look at the importance of the high and critical bugs open and make sure they're accurate.
[16:00] <skaet_> .
[16:00] <skaet_> Upcoming Significant Dates:
[16:01] <skaet_> User Interface Freeze and Beta Freeze is March 24th (at 2300 UTC  ;) )
[16:01] <skaet_> Beta 1 Release is March 31st.
[16:01] <skaet_> questions?
[16:01] <skaet_> ..
[16:01] <zul> nope
[16:02] <skaet_> ... and wanted to add a big THANK YOU to everyone who contributed to getting A3 out last week!
[16:02] <skaet_> cool, lets head into the round table then.
[16:02] <skaet_> [Topic] QA team update - marjo
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA team update - marjo
[16:02] <marjo> hi folks
[16:03] <marjo> lots of topics today
[16:03] <marjo>  * Natty Alpha 3 Work Items
[16:03] <marjo>  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-platform-qa-natty-alpha-3.html
[16:03] <marjo>  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling
[16:03] <marjo>  bdmurray 100% complete.
[16:03] <marjo>  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-qa-n-testing-different-architectures
[16:03] <marjo>   [jibel] cleanup subscribers list
[16:03] <marjo>  Postponed to Beta-1; blocked on confirmation that to build an image, at least a subscriber is needed and that subscriber is committed to test the image.
[16:03] <marjo>  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-uec-qa
[16:03] <marjo>  Marking completed Alpha3 tests. Other work items postponed due to lack of working UEC tools after Alpha 2.
[16:03] <marjo>  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-server-n-qa
[16:03] <marjo>  Marking completed Alpha3 tests.
[16:03] <marjo>  * Alpha 3 Test Report
[16:03] <marjo>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/NattyAlpha3TestReport
[16:03] <marjo>  Summary
[16:03] <marjo> Test Coverage
[16:03] <marjo> 49 contributors have reported 344 results and covered 223 testcases
[16:03] <marjo>     * Image Coverage : 100.00% (58/58)
[16:03] <marjo>     * Mandatory Test Cases : 100.00% (187/187)
[16:03] <marjo>     * Run Once Test Cases : 81.82% (36/44)
[16:03] <marjo>     * Overall : 96.54% (223/231)
[16:04] <marjo> Failures summary
[16:04] <marjo> 71 bugs have been reported affecting a total of 74 test cases.
[16:04] <marjo> 35 Tests failed.
[16:04] <marjo>     * Failure Rate: 15.69% (35/223)
[16:04] <marjo> Bug Tasks Importance
[16:04] <marjo>     * Critical : 2 (1 closed)
[16:04] <marjo>     * High : 23 (7 closed)
[16:04] <marjo>     * Medium : 14 (2 closed)
[16:04] <marjo>     * Low : 8 (3 closed)
[16:04] <marjo>     * Wishlist : 1 (1 closed)
[16:04] <marjo>     * Undecided : 46 (6 closed)
[16:04] <marjo> Thank you to jibel, smoser, hggdh, pedro_, charlie-tca, kidsodateless, highvoltage, marjo, brendand, ricsipontaz, PatrickDK, patrickmw, PaoloRotolo, nobuto, Kamusin, valix, primes2h, roadmr, pitti, jamiedmattingly, RoAkSoAx, jamespage, monkeylibre, xdatap1, Fly82, Daviey, homitsu and ogra for testing the ISOs.
[16:04] <marjo>  QA Dashboard
[16:04] <marjo>  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/qadashboard/qadashboard.html
[16:04] <marjo> Note unity and linux are top two packages in both the "Last Day" and "Last 7 Days" metrics.
[16:04] <marjo>  bug 694596 went from Fix Released to Triaged
[16:05] <marjo>  * Testing status:
[16:05] <marjo>  Desktop Automated Testing results
[16:05] <marjo> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/
[16:05] <marjo> Number of 2D tests: 310
[16:05] <marjo> Number of Unity tests: 286
[16:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/desktop-testing/natty/
[16:05] <marjo> List of bugs found is at the bottom of page.
[16:05] <marjo>  Server Automated Testing results
[16:05] <marjo>  http://204.236.234.12/view/ISO-server-Natty/?
[16:05] <marjo>  1 failure under investigation by hggdh.
[16:05] <marjo>   Automatic Upgrade Testing
[16:05] <marjo>   http://people.canonical.com/~mvo/automatic-upgrade-testing/current/
[16:05] <marjo> per mvo,
[16:05] <marjo>  Ran out of diskspace again. There is an RT ticket pending for a bigger disk and it has been escalated. mvo will remove a few images temporarily or comment out an upgrade - in progress
[16:05] <marjo> ..
[16:06] <skaet_> Thanks marjo!    and thank you to all the testers who helped us solidify A3!
[16:07] <skaet_> lots of good data in there,  and I'll get with you early next week with my questions on the data.   :)
[16:07] <skaet_> anyone else?
[16:07] <marjo> skaet_ ack
[16:07] <skaet_> [Topic] Hardware Certification team update - victorp
[16:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Hardware Certification team update - victorp
[16:08]  * skaet_ did see a hand earlier... ;)
[16:08] <skaet_> victorp?
[16:09] <skaet_> ok,  I guess we'll come back to him later...
[16:09] <skaet_> [Topic] Security team update - jdstrand
[16:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security team update - jdstrand
[16:10] <skaet_> jdstrand_,  ^^ ?
[16:11]  * skaet_ wonders if jdstrand_ is talking to victorp ;)    
[16:11] <skaet_> moving on...
[16:11] <skaet_> [Topic] Kernel team update - apw (or smb?)
[16:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel team update - apw (or smb?)
[16:11]  * smb hopes to be still in the same universe...
[16:11] <smb> Overall status is reported at the first link below.
[16:11] <smb> Burn down for the release milestone is at the second link below.
[16:11] <smb> Burn down for the cycle is at the third link:
[16:11] <smb> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:11] <smb> [LINK]
[16:11] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:11] <smb> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:11] <MootBot> LINK received:
[16:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-2.html
[16:12] <smb> [LINK]
[16:12] <smb> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:12] <smb> Of the bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as below:
[16:12] <smb> #344878 ecryptfs long filename are not likely to make natty-alpha-2 and moves
[16:12] <MootBot> LINK received:
[16:12] <smb>         out, we will need to make a decision on disabling this shortly;
[16:12] <smb> #539467 SATA alpm is now disabled in userspace, upstream discussions are
[16:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[16:12] <smb>         ongoing;
[16:12] <smb> #542660 (black screen issue) sounds like being back or still there.
[16:12] <smb> #625364 expected to be fixed in next kernel
[16:12] <smb> #630748 remains waiting on Intel for updated wireless firmware. At least
[16:12] <smb>         improving.
[16:12] <smb> #636091 still waits testing by the reporter; and
[16:12] <smb> #702090 Looks to be and interaction with vesafb and is with upstream. Most
[16:12] <smb>         recent feedback suggest that something additional is required to
[16:12] <smb>         fix this finally.
[16:12] <smb> #712075 partial fix but needs more
[16:12] <smb> #717114 has been bisected down to one patch. not sure about upstream discussion
[16:12] <smb> The other bugs seem to be non-kernel packages, status is recorded on our status
[16:12] <smb> page where available (first link above).
[16:12] <smb> Current kernel 2.6.38-5.32 is based on v2.6.32-rc6. The next pending kernel is
[16:12] <smb> currently based on 2.6.38-rc7 but seems to introduce an i915 problem/regression:
[16:12] <smb> #728672 compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in intel_miptree_image_copy()
[16:12] <smb> ..
[16:12] <bladernr> Hi, victorp says he's having connection issues and will be here shortly
[16:13] <smb> ..
[16:13] <skaet_> thanks smb!
[16:13] <victorp_> hi
[16:13] <victorp_> did I miss something, technical problems
[16:14] <skaet_> thanks bladernr for the heads up on victorp
[16:14] <skaet_> smb, are you going to post 2.6.38-rc7,  or wait until the issue is resolved?
[16:15] <smb> skaet_, apw will look into that. He knows bout the issue and will check before he uploads
[16:15] <smb> There seems to be a patch identified that caused the issue
[16:15] <smb> but I guess wait is the answer.
[16:15] <smb> ..
[16:18]  * smb wonders whether the network has split
[16:18]  * ogra gets the glue
[16:19] <smb> ogra, At least this part of the world is still around. :)
[16:19] <ogra> heh, yeah
[16:19] <ogra> eurochat :)
[16:19]  * pitti still patiently listening
[16:20]  * victorp is waiting too
[16:20]  * jdstrand is waiting
[16:20] <oubiwann> ogra: euro and Colorado :-)
[16:21] <ogra> hehe
[16:24] <ogra> oh my
[16:24] <smb> another case for the major crime squad
[16:24] <skat> fun with the IRc server today looks like...
[16:25] <skat> can I see a show of hands for who's still on?
[16:25] <smb> skat, So I guess you did not get my response
[16:25] <smb> \o
[16:25] <skat> smb, nope
[16:25] <ogra> o/
 skaet_, apw will look into that. He knows bout the issue and will check before he uploads
 There seems to be a patch identified that caused the issue
 but I guess wait is the answer.
[16:25] <smb> ..
[16:25] <skat> thanks smb
[16:26] <skat> anyone else have questions for smb?
[16:26] <skat> is cjwatson or someone from foundations around?
[16:26] <skat> how about Daviey or zul?
[16:27] <zul> hi
[16:27] <zul> Hi
[16:27] <zul> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:27] <zul> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-server.svg
[16:27] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus
[16:27] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/natty/canonical-server.svg
[16:27]  * victorp is still here but needing to leave soon
[16:28]  * skat will call on victorp next...
[16:28] <zul> skat: Daviey and I are gonig to be  alternating
[16:28] <pitti> zul: (for the record: WI tracker moved to ~platform some half year ago)
[16:28] <cjwatson> I'm here
[16:28] <zul> pitti: ill update my links then
[16:28] <skat> cjwatson, cool,  will call on you after victorp,  IRC is being problematic today
[16:29] <skat> zul,  re alternating,  ack.  just let me know at the start.
[16:29] <zul> ack
[16:29]  * ogra wonders if we whould just all send our status in by mail
[16:29] <skat> any questions for zul?
[16:29] <ogra> *should
[16:30] <skat> ogra, lets discuss at end.
[16:30] <pitti> ogra: we already have wiki pages
[16:30] <ogra> skat, well, i meant instead of waiting for IRc to settle
[16:30] <skat> [Topic] Hardware Certification team update -  victorp
[16:30] <victorp> yeay!
[16:30] <victorp> As usual, the report for this week's testing is available at:
[16:30] <victorp> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/current
[16:30] <victorp> The coverage this week was very good, with most of the system reporting
[16:30] <victorp> results.
[16:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/current
[16:30] <victorp> Three systems didn't report back due to outstanding bugs and/or new bugs:
[16:30] <victorp> Outstanding bugs:
[16:30] <victorp> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/708286
[16:30] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/708286
[16:30] <victorp> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/711378
[16:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/711378
[16:31] <victorp> New bug:
[16:31] <victorp> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/728772
[16:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/728772
[16:31] <victorp> Other five systems didn't report results or failed the installation, and
[16:31] <victorp> we are investigating those now.
[16:31] <victorp> ...
[16:31] <skat> Thanks victorp!
[16:32] <skat> Are there any boot time results available for Natty yet?
[16:32] <victorp> yes some
[16:32] <skat> how does it look?   about the same as maverick, or will there need to be some focus there?
[16:33] <victorp> http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/boot-metrics/natty/20110302/
[16:33] <victorp> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/boot-metrics/maverick/20101007/
[16:33] <victorp> that is the baseline from maverick
[16:33] <victorp> the idea is that we will create the results and upload them to people.canonical.com
[16:34] <victorp> and QA (marjo) will review them for issues and so on
[16:34] <victorp> but the natty ones are just hot of the press
[16:34] <skat> ok,  thanks!  :)  will dig into them a bit offline.
[16:34] <victorp> skat, does that answer your question?
[16:34] <skat> yup.  :)
[16:34] <skat> anyone else have questions?
[16:34] <skat> [Topic] Foundations team update - cjwatson
[16:35] <cjwatson> Hi
[16:35] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html
[16:35] <cjwatson> Most remaining items are polish on top of existing features now.
[16:35] <cjwatson> Feature-related work over the last week or so:
[16:35] <cjwatson>  - biosdevname packaged and integrated into installer, providing optional stable network device naming
[16:35] <cjwatson>  - automatic partitioner redesign
[16:35] <cjwatson>  - package upgrade/reinstall support when installing over existing partition
[16:35] <cjwatson>  - software-center weblive prototype
[16:35] <cjwatson>  - Upstart 0.9.0, with several major features; tests, docs, and fixes still needed; check-config/visualisation likely to land soon
[16:35] <cjwatson>  - various alpha-3-blocking fixes in light of multiarch dpkg
[16:35] <cjwatson> Rebuild test output follows, and could use attention from any developers with spare cycles:
[16:35] <cjwatson>   http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110125-natty.html
[16:36] <cjwatson> I've updated the agenda with bug changes.
[16:36] <cjwatson> ..
[16:36] <cjwatson> (oh, I moved several things over to other teams when it seemed more appropriate)
[16:37] <skat> cjwatson,  thanks!    moving over to other teams if appropriate is welcome.
[16:37] <skat> will look on the agenda for the latest details.
[16:37] <skat> others should feel free to put the bug status on the agenda directly, too.
[16:37] <cjwatson> I'm curious to hear from Linaro how far we intend to go with multiarch dpkg this cycle
[16:37] <cjwatson> I know there are some further proposed changes in the db layout
[16:37] <skat> JamieBennett, ^^ ??
[16:37] <cjwatson> (the ones I've heard would actually simplify things)
[16:38] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/boot-metrics/natty/20110302/
[16:38] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/boot-metrics/maverick/20101007/
[16:39] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html
[16:39] <skat> [ACTION] skaet to follow up with JamieBennett / slangasek and get some details about multiarch dpkg for this cycle
[16:40] <skat> if no other questions,  will move on....
[16:40] <skat> [Topic] Desktop team update - pitti
[16:40] <pitti> Blueprint implementation:
[16:40] <pitti>  * On track for entire cycle
[16:40] <pitti>  * Alpha-3: had some stragglers, moved to beta-1
[16:40] <pitti>  * beta-1: 17 WIs for our team, 43 for deskop-ish specs which are done by other people
[16:40] <pitti> General status:
[16:40] <pitti>  * Squeezed new unity 3.6.0 into Alpha-3, which brought tons of stability fixes and actually usable dash/applications/files
[16:40] <pitti>  * No new features aside from Unity. Most people are doing bug fixing now.
[16:40] <pitti>  * Had to kill 2 langpacks (~ 20 MB) due to new dpkg-repack pulling in dpkg-dev, build-essential, g++. Fixed now, and the extra libreoffice-style-tango will be dropped as well (2.8 MB)
[16:40] <pitti>  * Firefox translations in langpacks are still broken; currently WIP to bring them back, ETA next week
[16:40] <pitti> RC bugs:
[16:40] <pitti>  * Firefox global menu bar support finally ack'ed by upstream, in natty now
[16:40] <pitti>  * Details of other bugs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus#rcbugs
[16:40] <pitti> ..
[16:41] <skat> Thanks pitti!
[16:41] <skat> your work item task list tracking is awesome!
[16:42] <skat> any other questions?
[16:42] <skat> [Topic] Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover
[16:42] <pitti> skat: rickspencer3 taught me how to make proper whip cracking noises :)
[16:42] <joshuahoover> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus
[16:42] <joshuahoover> details on where we're at with blueprints and releases are in the link above
[16:42] <joshuahoover> we had to file a freeze exception for bindwood (bookmarks sync) so that it works right with firefox 4...updated package should be landing next week: bug #648587
[16:43]  * jdstrand thinks he got skipped due to the netsplit, but is available
[16:43] <joshuahoover> discovered we have a new package for universe that we'd like to still get in for natty, bug #729117 - this is to make it easier for devs to access couchdb data on u1 servers
[16:43] <joshuahoover> the rest of the work is on bugs, especially those related to the ui or strings...i'm working on making sure all our natty bugs are targeted and marked properly as most are against our upstream projects right now
[16:43] <joshuahoover> and that's it for this week for u1 - questions?
[16:43] <joshuahoover> ..
[16:43]  * skat will call on jdstrand after,  yeah, didn't see you when asked earlier
[16:43] <skat> thanks joshuahoover!
[16:44] <skat> appreciate the heads up on the FFE coming in.
[16:44] <skat> any one else?
[16:44] <skat> [Topic] Security team update - jdstrand
[16:44] <jdstrand> hi! :)
[16:44] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:44] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html
[16:45] <jdstrand> With the exception of working with various people on getting bug #727478 fixed for people upgrading from maverick, there is not a lot to report. Our team focused primarily on stable release updates.
[16:45] <jdstrand> We have no remaining milestoned features or bugs for beta. We are below the trend line on work items overall. There are some items for micah that aren't related to the security team, and we are getting those addressed so they don't show up on our team reports.
[16:45] <jdstrand> I would like to bring bug #728434 up here. I have marked it 'Critical' because the security team won't be able to properly prepare security updates for packages that have a dependency on dbus unless this is fixed.
[16:45] <jdstrand> ..
[16:46] <skat> jdstrand, thanks!    will keep an eye on 728434 then.
[16:46] <skat> any questions?
[16:46] <skat> [Topic] Kubuntu Team update - Riddell
[16:47]  * skat see's he's marked away though... so will move on.
[16:47] <skat> [Topic] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth
[16:49] <dbarth> hi
[16:49] <skat> hi
[16:49] <dbarth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/NattyReleaseStatus as usual
[16:49] <dbarth> so this week we made a last release of unity for a3
[16:50] <dbarth> and were allowed to land a couple of late features as well; thanks to all those involved
[16:50] <dbarth> Unity 3.6 released, including 34 new features or bug fixes: https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/3.6
[16:50] <dbarth> compiz decorator crashers are still a problem we haven't been able to fix
[16:50] <dbarth> but the general trend is looking better: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/unity-stats/
[16:50] <dbarth> (from the report)
[16:51] <dbarth> i've reviewed the list of bugs on the agenda today, but i'm afraid that most of them haven't seen an update yet (after the frantic release at the beginning of the week)
[16:51] <dbarth> we've worked on identifying the missing bits that we'd like to get FFEs for
[16:51] <dbarth> here is the list:
[16:51] <dbarth> datetime (already accepted)
[16:51] <dbarth> compiz grab handles (accepted)
[16:51] <dbarth> ALT-F2
[16:51] <dbarth> places a11y
[16:52] <dbarth> places scrollbar (njpatel: it’s too late to do this)
[16:52] <dbarth> compiz dialog style
[16:52] <dbarth> overlay scrollbar
[16:52] <dbarth> multi-touch support in Unity (but it's stacked on MT itself)
[16:52] <dbarth> compiz mandatory plugins (does that need an FFE?)
[16:52] <dbarth> in particular, places a11y has been considered for being postponed
[16:52] <dbarth> but rickspencer3 and Jason brought me back to reason: we'll try a bit to land that
[16:53] <dbarth> but will be cautious not to touch too many parts of the underlying infrastructure to limit the imapct on what's been released and works right now
[16:53] <dbarth> ie, if we identify a11y gaps that are too "invasive" we may postpone
[16:53] <oubiwann> also, for touch FFEs: libgrip, gesture enabled eog and evince (3 total)
[16:53] <oubiwann> touch has one FFE that's been accepted (mtview)
[16:54] <dbarth> luke (themuso) is reviewing how much unity could still be a usable interface without that; or rather which part of places we should focus on to make it work, without touching risky parts
[16:54] <dbarth> this is ongoing
[16:54] <dbarth> 34 bugs or features in the last release; some stats that show that our efforts on quality start to pay: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/unity-stats/
[16:56] <dbarth> qa is now essentially triaging and bug fixing with others; tooling efforts are on hold waiting for some hw cert lab runs to assess whether it's worth finishing for the cycle
[16:56] <dbarth> ...
[16:56] <skat> dbarth thanks!   appreciate the head's up on the FFEs will work with you offline to ease them all in and get a feel for when they are expected to land.  Please feel free to update the agenda itself with the status of the current bugs when you are able to assess them.
[16:56] <marjo_> o/
[16:56] <dbarth> will do
[16:56] <skat> marjo go
[16:57] <marjo_> dbarth: another indicator would be when unity no longer shows up in top 5 packages at: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/qadashboard/qadashboard.html
[16:57] <marjo_> ..
[16:57] <skat> heh,  indeed.
[16:57] <dbarth> marjo_: right, and that's a welcome change; thanks ;)
[16:58] <marjo_> dbarth: looking forward to it!
[16:58] <dbarth> forgot to mention the focus for next week: https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/3.6.2
[16:58] <dbarth> other questions?
[16:58]  * skat looks around...
[16:58] <skat> [Topic] ARM team update - ogra
[16:59] <ogra> Status is at:
[16:59] <ogra> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:59] <ogra> ..
[16:59] <ogra> Summary:
[16:59] <ogra>  * Bug 705689 is still waiting for a gcc upload, the fix was committed in the linaro tree.
[16:59] <ogra>  * OMAP4 TI kernel is in its last test phase for the switch from .35 to .38, a PPA binary kernel is being tested right now, switch to the new tree will happen asap.
[16:59] <ogra>  * Bug 727688 FFE for metacity is needed for unity-2d functionality
[16:59] <ogra>  * Several bugs with the first boot tool for preinstalled images (jasper) showed up during alpha testing, fixes are being worked on.
[16:59] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[16:59] <ogra>  * Mono ARM SMP fix: progress is blocked due to Bug: 721531
[16:59] <ogra>  * ARM specific FTBFS list is shrinking :)
[16:59] <ogra> ..
[16:59] <ogra> Image status:
[16:59] <ogra>  * A3 was released
[16:59] <ogra> Specs:
[16:59] <ogra> Entire status: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html
[16:59] <ogra> Milestone: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-ubuntu-11.04-beta-1.html
[16:59] <ogra> ..
[16:59] <ogra> Serious Bugs:
[16:59] <ogra> bug 728211
[16:59] <ogra> bug 619981
[16:59] <ogra> bug 721531
[16:59] <ogra> ..
[17:00] <skat> Thanks ogra!   re: OMAP4 - cool!   when should we expect to see the churn?
[17:01] <ogra> next week i hope, GrueMaster is still testing afaik
[17:01] <ogra> as soon as he gives his go the kernel team will switch
[17:01] <ogra> ..
[17:01] <skat> ogra sounds good.
[17:01] <skat> any other questions?
[17:02] <skat> [Topic] MOTU team update - ScottK
[17:02] <ScottK> Nothing significant to report.
[17:02] <ScottK> ..
[17:02] <skat> [Topic] Linaro update - JamieBennett
[17:02] <JamieBennett> o/
[17:03] <JamieBennett> A3 was released yesterday
[17:03] <JamieBennett> with support for a total of 10 boards
[17:03] <JamieBennett> We will have a new kernel as soon as panda board display issues are sorted
[17:03] <JamieBennett> and the multiarch stuff landed
[17:03] <ScottK> skat: I can give a Kubuntu report after Linaro is done if you want.
[17:03] <JamieBennett> initial bits are there but more work is needed to get it completely working
[17:04] <ogra> panda display should be half way sorted atm
[17:04] <JamieBennett> I don't know the exact details of what else is planned but slangasek informs me it will be finished this cycle
[17:04] <ogra> (DVI works afaik)
[17:04] <JamieBennett> as for that we are plodding along nicely
[17:04] <skat> ScottK,  that would be great.   will circle back.
[17:04] <JamieBennett> ..
[17:04] <JamieBennett> ogra: right, our kernel disables the display at the moment
[17:05] <ogra> ah
[17:05] <ogra> ..
[17:05] <skat> JamieBennett, Thanks!   Do you have any details on the dpkg multiarch plans for cjwatson?
[17:05] <cjwatson> sounds like not, don't worry, I'll catch up with Steve on the details at some point, it was just curiosity
[17:06] <JamieBennett> skat: I saw the comment, as above, I don't know the exact details but I can find out
[17:06] <skat> thanks cjwatson, JamieBennett.  offline it is.
[17:06] <skat> [Topic] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[17:07] <ScottK> The biggest issues at the moment are Bug #705689 and related to Bug 673085
[17:07] <ScottK> There's a test gcc fix in the toolchain PPA we need to investigate.
[17:07] <ScottK> Qt 4.7.2 was uploaded yesterday.
[17:07] <ScottK> KDE SC 4.6.1 is being uploaded today.
[17:07] <ogra> \o/ QT 4.7.2
[17:08] <ScottK> The kernel for n900 is finally built and waiting in binary New.
[17:08] <ScottK> (that's for the Kubuntu Mobile tech preview)
[17:08] <ScottK> ..
[17:08] <skat> Thanks ScottK!
[17:09] <skat> will keep an ey on those 2 bugs.    Wondiering how this will interact with  the new toolchain doko's landing.
[17:09] <ScottK> The gcc fix is part of the updated toolchain.
[17:09] <skat> excellent.
[17:09] <skat> any other questions?
[17:09] <ScottK> We're building KDE 4.6.1and Qt with gcc4.4 for the moment.
[17:10] <skat> ok,  switching over to gcc 4.5 after the fixed version lands, or staying with 4.4 for the release?
[17:10] <ScottK> ogra: It's Qt.  QT is something completely different.
[17:10] <ScottK> skat: 4.5 after it's fixed.
[17:10]  * ogra shrugs
[17:11] <skat> thanks!
[17:11] <skat> [Topic] any other kudos/comments/questions?
[17:12] <skat> Sorry about the IRC connection this time.   I'll be scrubbing the IRC logs to make sure they match up with what I was seeing, and post a detailed version with the agenda as minutes, if not.
[17:12] <skat> [ACTION] skaet to scrub the logs carefully for the minutes and post with the agenda
[17:12] <skat> anyone else?
[17:13] <skat> Thanks everyone for your patience today.
[17:13] <skat> #endmeeting
[17:13] <ogra> thanks skat
[17:14] <skat> I'm probably going to need to completely log out and come back in properly as skaet_, to get this meeting to end.    It won't let me change to that nick.   sigh.
[17:16] <pitti> thanks everyone
[17:20] <skaet_> #endmeeting
[17:20] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:20.