hamitronI know technically I am wrong doing so, but I see no problem with me downloading the pdf of a book, if I have bought a hard copy00:00
HazRPGgord: calibre can do that though can't it?00:00
gordoh also, just an aside, but someone made a text adventure game interpreter for the kindle too, so you can play zork on it..00:00
dutchieInternet! What licence should I use for something like http://j.mp/gBGHgW? MIT? BSD? WTFPL? Something else?00:00
ali1234calibre can't run on a black and white tablet with weeks and weeks of battery life00:01
gordHazRPG, it can, but that requires hooking up my kindle to the usb, honestly, i forget to do that or its a pain or whatever. its just nice to sit down and open my kindle and see the latest news00:01
HazRPGgord: haha nice00:01
gordali1234, calibre is something you run on your desktop, not your kindle/whatever00:01
brobostigonnos da everyone, sleep well00:01
ali1234what's the point of that? i want the books on the tablet, not the desktop00:01
ali1234yeah yeah, obtuse etc00:02
gordbecause it syncs to your kindle...00:02
HazRPGbrobostigon: night dude :)00:02
ali1234well i agree with you. just download the stuff directly on the kindle00:02
HazRPGbrobostigon: sleep well00:02
ali1234i hate syncing stuff, it takes forever, i can never find the cable, blah blah00:02
brobostigonHazRPG: good night, sleep well. :)00:02
gordit can also send an email with the books/content to your @amazon.co.uk email address, anything you send to that amazon converts and puts on your kindle00:03
gordcosts you money though00:03
hamitronall cost :/00:03
ali1234considering the size of a ebook, and the size of memory cards, and the speed of 3g, there is absolutely no reason to ever "sync" with your desktop00:03
HazRPGali1234: heh I have 2 usb cables constantly hooked to the back of my PC, so that I can either charge my phone or other devices; or for syncing data00:03
gordali1234, i don't follow that reasoning00:04
gordare you suggesting you get all the content through the kindle browser? because thats a pain to use00:04
HazRPGali1234: also, calibre can turn any site's feed into an ebook for use on your ebook reader00:04
hamitronI see no point in using 3G when you have WIFI ;)00:04
gordi would rather get the stuff on my desktop, sync it to my kindle than use the kindle browser thanks00:05
ali1234ereaders are not for reading RSS or anything like that00:05
ali1234they are for reading books00:05
ali1234average novel = what, 15kb?00:05
gordmine is for reading rss and things like that00:05
hamitrontv's are for reading RSS00:05
gordamazon thinks so too, thats why you can subscribe to rss converted things00:06
ubuntuuk-planet[Alan Pope] Ubuntu UK LoCo Team Leader Sought - http://popey.com/blog/2011/03/03/ubuntu-uk-loco-team-leader-sought/00:06
ali1234can you use a kindle without an amazon account?00:06
* hamitron would hope you can upload pdf directly00:06
hamitronor not?00:07
HazRPGsee personally if there's a decent way to do it, I'd probably hook my calibre folder to a section on my site so I can just download the stuff I want as and when00:07
gordwhen you buy a kindle from amazon it comes pre-setup with your account, i have no idea about if you buy one in a shop00:07
HazRPGgord: can you buy kindle's from a shop?00:07
HazRPGI was looking in waterstones the other day and I couldn't see any00:08
gordyou can in the US see them everywhere, no idea bout the UK00:08
HazRPGgord: I'm sure you can unlink your account though00:09
HazRPG:( the auto-accept chat perl script I got for pidgin doesn't work :(00:10
hamitronmy pidgin is acting ghey too00:11
hamitronfeezes with xfire addon :/00:11
hamitronnot on windows though ;/00:12
ali1234what do you guys think about this: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-March/003653.html00:12
hamitronimo you want smaller than average margins00:13
gord"It seems logical to say that PDFs should map 1:1 to the "virtual" pages of the reader software, while the other formats would have to have this format imposed (no pun intended) upon them when they are loaded." <-- ... what pun?00:14
ali1234gord: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imposition00:15
gordthats still not a pun :(00:15
hamitronI don't see a need to dictate how many pages you view at once either00:16
hamitronwhy not have that in settings? ;/00:16
ali1234mainly because it drastically increases the complexity of the software00:17
hamitronbit of a bugger if you are reading a book with a diagram spread across 2 pages00:17
ali1234right, but like i said, novels only00:17
hamitronapart from the margins, I wouldn't care that much :/00:18
HazRPGI think calibre crops/rotates photos so that they fit on one page00:18
ali1234calibre does not follow all the rules that i set out in it's built in viewer00:18
HazRPGand pictures tend to be represented on a separate page anyways00:19
HazRPGali1234: how so?00:19
hamitrondo many novels have pictures?00:19
HazRPGfront cover mainly00:20
hamitrononly half decent one I can think of is Food of the Gods00:20
HazRPGgraphic novels are all pictures...00:21
hamitronit is mainly text :)00:21
hamitronjust some rough drawings like a lab book00:21
HazRPGgraphic novels?00:22
hamitronThe Food of the Gods00:22
HazRPGgraphic novels tend to be like comics essentially00:22
HazRPGI plan to put a few mangas on my kindle when I get one00:23
HazRPGthey're all black & white anyway, so its fine :)00:24
gordmanga's work beautifully on kindles00:24
gordperfect size00:24
ali1234HazRPG: it starts a new "page" for each section, but does not split sections into distinct pages00:24
directhexwas disappointed when i tried on wifey's kindle00:24
HazRPGali1234: oh yeah, I noticed that too - rather irritating00:24
ali1234also it does not have reasonable sized margins, or a decent fullscreen mode00:24
HazRPGdirecthex: what's your thoughts?00:25
HazRPGgord: Awesome, I thought it would be :)00:25
* hamitron would get a Dell Inspiron Duo00:25
hamitronthen i could use it for work also, on the move00:26
ali1234netbooks are too heavy to use as a ereader imo00:26
* HazRPG not a fan of laptops for prolonged use00:26
* popey hasnt used his kindle since he's welcomed ipad into his house00:26
ali1234the lenovo certainly is anyway00:26
hamitronapple whore!00:26
* hamitron points to door00:26
ali1234tried a duo, it's nicer construction than the lenovo but still too heavy00:27
ali1234screen is very wobbly on the lenovo due to the hinge they used00:27
hamitronali1234: I am not weak and feable ;)00:27
hamitronall these "heavy" comments just sound lazy imo00:28
gordgrr stupid ethernet over power, acting up lately. fustrating!00:28
gordcan't even stream SD content today00:28
hamitronwelcome to my world \o/00:28
gordyour world sucks and i want no part in it.00:29
hamitronyeh :)00:29
HazRPGethernet over power just seems like a bad idea00:29
ali1234well the ideapad weighs about 3 times what an ipad weighs...00:29
gordwhen it works, it works fine00:29
gordway more stable than wifi too00:29
hamitronis it not better to use ethernet for data, and main power for power?00:30
* HazRPG too much of a security/privacy whore00:30
ali1234just switch to power over ethernet :)00:30
ali1234i'm sure cat5 can handle 240VAC right?00:30
gordsome of us don't want ethernat cables all over their house00:30
gordpower can be used for both power and communication, so why not00:30
hamitronrip up the floors00:30
hamitronsuppose :)00:30
ali1234right, the only reason i don't use ethernet over power is it's too expensive and no standards00:31
HazRPGcommunication is essentially power...00:31
hamitronis power over ethernet any good?00:31
ali1234if i was rich with a nice house it would be a different story00:31
ali1234because wifi sucks for reliability00:31
hamitronethernet cost me £3500:31
hamitronincluding all fittings00:32
ali1234power over ethernet isn't meant to run your whole computer, just a WAP or something00:32
HazRPGsee, I'm going to be doing a project to get ethernet ports around my house at some point when I get the time to map things out00:32
hamitronHazRPG: best thing I did00:32
hamitronfor me it was £35 for ethernet, or £300 for wifi00:33
gordi know the second i did anything like that ethernet would be depreciated in favour of something else00:33
hamitronbeen a cheap ass, I went for the first00:33
HazRPGif I can, I'm going to try and run the cabling under the floors (i.e. back of the wall and down) if I can... if not then just the good ol' wire around the walls and doors :)00:33
hamitronI used loft space for most00:33
ali1234just because it's deprecated does not mean you have to stop using it. unless you are an apple user.00:34
HazRPGgord: ethernet will never be properly depreciated, unless fibre-optics gets cheap enough for everyone to be able to use it00:34
hamitronI only have cat5e :(00:35
HazRPGhamitron: cat5e is perfectly fine dude00:35
HazRPGhamitron: cat6 is still way too expensive compared to cat5e00:35
hamitronI didn't know of cat6 at the time00:35
hamitronwas it around 9 years ago?00:36
gordcat7 was created in 2002, so i would say so00:38
HazRPGwell I priced it out, for a roll of 100m cat6 was like £30, but for a roll of 300m cat5e was £2400:38
gordoh wait maybe i read wikipedia wrong00:39
hamitrongord: I didn't research it properly, I just looked at what I could buy :)00:39
hamitronit was very much coax vs cat5 vs cat5e00:39
gordhamitron, as would i! you just peaked my interest so i started reading the pedia's00:39
HazRPGcat6a was defined in 200800:40
hamitronso now I waste the time of others as well as myself \o/00:40
hamitronI was never sure if to fit shielded or unshielded00:41
hamitronI went for unshielded eventually00:42
HazRPGgord: hmm, I'm pretty sure cat7 hasn't been around that long00:42
hamitrontime for my daily gaming fix I think00:45
HazRPGhamitron: ooo, what you planning on playing?00:45
HazRPGas far as I know cat6 and cat6a/e are pretty much similar to 802.11n - hard to find TRUE versions and not just the drafted ones00:47
hamitron1Gbps sounds fast enough for me01:10
Azelphurhello fellow night lurker :P01:47
szymon_g:) night is so early so far... it's time for coffee :P01:48
* szymon_g is listening to: Various Artists - Master of Celebration - Clean01:49
HazRPGwoot! http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/music/c64/Tune1-v0.1.sid02:14
szymon_gwhats that?02:16
hamitronordered my new comp bits02:19
HazRPGszymon_g: song I'm working on ^^02:19
HazRPGgo hamitron!02:19
* HazRPG makes transformers sound02:19
hamitrongonna be weird with plenty of RAM02:20
szymon_ghow much will you get?02:20
hamitronI normally skimp on memory on an upgrade, but maxed out the motherboard this time02:20
szymon_gnice. is it 2x4gb or 4x2?02:21
szymon_gddr2 or ddr3?02:21
hamitronit is an ITX motherboard02:21
szymon_gah, nice. i had 4x2gb, but faulty mobo made one of them unusable02:21
szymon_goh, thatx to small. size matters after all ;)02:22
hamitronwell, this is sort of a temp upgrade for gaming atm02:22
hamitronwith an i302:22
hamitronwill then later use this as a small form factor pc02:22
szymon_gsandy bridge?02:22
szymon_g1156 than :?02:23
szymon_gwell... good choice (till new mobos /with fixed chipset/ will be out)02:23
szymon_g*new mobos = SB02:23
hamitronbut tbh, no point in waiting for Sandybridge for itx02:24
hamitronmost of the boards won't take the i502:24
HazRPGszymon_g: did you download that sid file I uploaded?02:24
hamitroni3 is a little better ofc, but I want something now ;)02:25
szymon_gHazRPG : yes, but, to be honest, i have no idea how to open it. i'm running windows now :)02:25
szymon_gany chance for mp3/ogg or anything like that :)?02:26
hamitrondo either of you 2 game on 64 bit?02:26
szymon_ghamitron : windows or linux?02:26
* szymon_g (a bit)02:26
hamitrondo older games work?02:27
directhexyou can mostly game on 64-bit windows02:27
directhexas long as you don't want to play any games from a specific era between around 1995 and 199802:27
szymon_gdepending how old. if they use 16 bit stuff- than not02:27
szymon_g(i.e. not without emulation)02:27
hamitronatm I have 2 gaming rigs, 1 with win98 and other with xp02:27
directhexbasically, anything for windows with any 16-bit code (e.g. older installshield) cannot be touched02:27
directhexolder, and you can use dosbox. newer, and there's no 16-bit02:28
hamitronit is the xp games I am wondering about02:28
directhexxp's only a decade old02:28
szymon_gbut, to be honest- i had (so far) only one problem caused by 64bitness- when i tried to autorun a multimedia program on audio cd from 199902:28
hamitronreason I ask, some games state they have "no support" for 64 bit02:28
directhexyou're likely to have more issues with %PROGRAMFILES% rewriting than with 64-bit02:28
directhexwith the exception of a few scattered titles02:29
hamitronI better not have wasted my time getting 64 bit ready02:29
directhexe.g. i can't get railway tycoon 3 to run. but i don't know if that's 64-bit or w702:29
hamitronor I will go cry to MS02:29
directhexas long as it's not xp64, you shouldn't really notice the difference for post-win95 games.02:30
hamitronfingers crossed02:30
directhexi just remembered one02:30
directhexgames which use weirdo video codecs, e.g. for cutscenes, might be unhappy about 64-bit02:31
directhexspecifically thief 1, thief 2, and system shock 2, which all use the discontinued Indeo 5 codec02:31
hamitronif I need 3 comps lined up to play my games, I will be annoyed02:31
directhexthe games run, but the cut scenes won't play02:31
directhexoh, that's the other point, you'll find games which crap themselves on a dual-core or better cpu02:31
directhexe.g. broken sword 402:32
directhexor thief02:32
hamitronI do have a few with intros that use that02:32
directhexyou can force windows to boot single-core for those games02:32
hamitronmay disable hyperthreading02:33
hamitronbe interesting to see how I find it02:33
directhexi've had more games with multi-core problems, or high-clock-speed problems, than with 64-bit problems02:33
hamitronI've read mixed opinions :)02:33
directhexa few games are unfinishable with a fast cpu. blade runner, for example02:34
hamitronI was hoping to dedicate my 2.2ghz c2d to linux02:34
hamitronnew comp to new games02:34
hamitronk6-2 500mhz to old games02:34
directhexi have one game that won't run on XP or higher :/02:36
directhexand one game that won't run on monitors larger than about 1650x108002:36
hamitronI have a lot that won't run on non-9x OS02:37
hamitronand ssome are picky with widescreen02:37
hamitronomg, excited :D02:38
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ali1234anyone know how many crtc the nvidia 240 has?02:51
ali1234i would guess only 202:52
ali1234number of simultaneous outputs02:53
hamitronI'd guess 202:54
hamitronthat looks good fun and value03:18
hamitronif I hadn't just burnt money other stuff would get it03:19
hamitronnn o/03:42
HazRPGali1234: erm... I'm sure there's one that does 303:56
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knightwisegoooood morning everyone06:50
kirrusit's too early *grumble*07:03
knightwisehaha ive been up for a couple of hours07:03
knightwisehey AlanBell \07:50
knightwiseive got a question07:50
knightwiseim using gpodder to download my podcasts07:51
knightwisei tucks every episode neatly in its own directory07:51
knightwisebut im looking for a way to copy over the 2 latest episodes of every podcast to another directory07:51
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knightwiseI can list up the episodes of every directory using ls -rt07:52
knightwiseand then pipe that output to tail-207:53
knightwisebut after that im a little lost as to how to copy over that 'selection'07:54
knightwisedo you have any idea ?07:54
TheOpenSourcererknightwise: Why dont you just write a small bash script?07:57
TheOpenSourcererFILES2COPY=`ls -rt | tail -2`07:57
TheOpenSourcererthose are backticks, not single quotes.07:58
knightwiseaaah thats where i went wrong07:58
knightwiseill try that, holdon07:58
TheOpenSourcereror you could just pipe and pipe I guess, but IMHO a script is just as easy and you can debug it easier.07:58
TheOpenSourcererSpeed doesn't seem like an essential requirement in this instance.07:59
knightwisei just want to copy the stuff overnight07:59
knightwiseso its cp 'ls -rt | tail -2' /targetdirectory08:01
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TheOpenSourcererknightwise: That works but you need backticks.08:06
knightwiseok, ill look for backticks :)  stupid apple keyboard08:07
DJonesMorning all08:08
TheOpenSourcererOn a "normal" UK kbd they are on the `¬| key (left of the 1)08:09
knightwisecp -av 'ls -rt | tail-2' /destinationfolder08:11
knightwisewould that do it ( with backticks)08:11
* AlanBell passes knightwise a ` to copy08:12
knightwisethanx :)08:12
TheOpenSourcererthe -av will keep the file perms and the -v will give you vebosity08:12
knightwiseim on an ipad with a bleutooth keyboard via an ssh connection08:13
knightwisei have cross platform issues ;p08:13
tugrikyou should put some gloves on knightwise , just to make it more "interesting" ;)08:13
knightwisetail  options used in invalid context ?08:14
knightwisetugrik: feels like i have them on allready08:14
TheOpenSourcererYour command worked here knightwise (with `s)08:15
knightwisestrange , ill try again08:15
TheOpenSourcereralord@lobsang:~/test1$ cp `ls -rt | tail -2` ../test208:15
TheOpenSourcereralord@lobsang:~/test1$ ls08:15
TheOpenSourcererfile1  file208:15
TheOpenSourcereralord@lobsang:~/test1$ ls ../test208:15
TheOpenSourcererfile1  file208:15
knightwiseits the backticks, ill dive into it08:16
tugriki think you want "ls -rt --format single-column"08:16
knightwiseStupid apple keyboard .p08:16
DJonespopey: You mentioned problems with Chrome yesterday, I wonder if this is anything to do with it http://blog.chromium.org/2011/03/gpu-acceleration-old-drivers.html08:16
knightwisecp -av ’ls -rt | tail -3’ /home/cardinalzero/testfolder2/08:28
knightwisetail: option used in invalid context -- 308:28
knightwisecp: option requires an argument -- 't'08:28
knightwisethats odd  ?08:28
TheOpenSourcererStill not backticks.08:28
TheOpenSourcerernot '08:29
knightwisereally ? Fraxk08:29
* knightwise copies TheOpenSourcerer backticks08:29
AlanBellcp -av `ls -rt | tail -3` /home/cardinalzero/testfolder2/08:29
knightwiseYES !08:30
knightwisethat works :)08:30
knightwisenow i have one more question :)08:30
knightwisegpodder downloads the podcasts in the /podcast folder08:30
AlanBell"why did I buy a Mac?"08:30
knightwiseIm running 10.10 on it !08:31
knightwisegpodder downloads the podcasts in /podcasts08:32
AlanBellnice :)08:32
knightwisebut downloads each podcast into its own directory /podcasts/podcast1  /podcasts/podcast2 etc08:32
Oli```Damnit. Somebody deleted nvnews.net08:33
knightwisedo i need to write a different line in the script for every subfolder ?08:33
knightwiseor is there some kind of recursive command that can say "get the 3 most recent files in EVERY subfolder of /podcasts/* and copy those over ?08:34
TheOpenSourcererknighwise have you tried ls -rtR ?08:34
knightwisei'll try08:34
TheOpenSourcererYou might find "find" to be a better option though.08:35
DJonesMorning daubers08:44
daubersHmmm, overlay scroll bars look interesting08:46
daubersHeh, when working on my mac now, i keep moving the mouse to the top left to access the dock....08:51
DJonesdaubers: I do things like that at work where I use XP when I go to close app's expecting the "X" to be in the top left08:53
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bigcalmGreetings earthlings09:08
screen-xmorning bigcalm :)09:09
* DJones sets Sigourney Weaver on the alien bigcalm09:10
bigcalmHi :)09:10
* knightwise befriens bigcalm : All hail our alien overlords09:10
* knightwise trades DJones Sigoury for a mega sexy wiyona 09:11
bigcalmAwww. Is this how you treat all hyperintelligent pan-dimensional beings?09:12
* bigcalm squeeks09:13
knightwisenah bigcalm most of the time we blow you to bits while you're still in orbit , right DJones  ?09:13
* bigcalm goes to make a mug of tea substitute09:14
DJonesknightwise: Sounds about right, although rather than hyperintelligent pan-dimensional beings, I was thinking more of Star Trek tribbles :)09:14
kazademorning all09:15
knightwise"did you take of your panties or is that a tribble ?"09:15
* screen-x has a replication server called tribble :)09:15
DJonesknightwise: I think thats lowering the tone of the channel a bit too much09:16
knightwiseit was a close shave09:16
knightwisei'll behave09:16
knightwisei think i got an answer to my recursive copy problem09:21
knightwisebut its a php script (i think) so i dont know if i can use it in a bash script09:22
* screen-x sooths directhex 09:22
bigcalmknightwise: if you have php-cli installed, you can run php from the cli :)09:22
directhexscreen-x, it'll take several hundred quid to soothe this one ¬_¬09:22
knightwiseok , i'll install it :)09:22
marxjohnsonjust need to put #!/usr/bin/php instead of #!/bin/bash09:23
screen-xdirecthex: my RoK budget doesn't have that much in it unfortunately :(09:23
knightwise/usr/bin/php: bad interpreter: No such file or directory09:24
ObtuseWhy is Friday traffic either so good or so bad?09:24
knightwiseso sudo apt-get php ?09:24
BigRedSapt-get install php5-cli09:24
BigRedSthe cli doesn't come with php IIRC09:25
knightwiserunning it now :)09:25
bigcalmWhich is why I said that it needs to be installed09:25
bigcalmJust forgot the 5 :)09:25
bigcalmThere might be a meta package without numbers?09:25
BigRedSnot in debian, I don't think in ubuntu09:26
bigcalmFair enough09:26
shaunoI think they did that intentionally because 4 & 5 can be installed concurrently09:27
BigRedSand, more pertinently, people didn't suddenly want their php4 code failing under php5 :)09:27
* bigcalm grumbles09:28
marxjohnsonphp5 should still be symlinked to /usr/bin/php though09:28
bigcalmI know of 3 clients' servers' still running php409:28
shaunomarxjohnson: it will be, once he's installed php5(-cli) :)09:29
marxjohnsonyeah that's what I meant09:29
marxjohnsonso the shebang i suggested should still work09:29
marxjohnsonrather than having to do /usr/bin/php5, although that'll work too09:30
directhexi'll believe it when i see it09:33
TheOpenSourcererIt's supposed to be ironic directhex09:34
* TheOpenSourcerer fails.09:34
knightwiserunning it now :) hmm , script doesnt seem to work :(09:34
knightwise*tinkers on*09:35
bigcalmDoes it give any errors?09:37
bigcalmThat script isn't php09:37
knightwiseit just gives the output09:37
daubersuh oh, mouse battery low09:37
knightwiseno ?09:37
directhexso, who wants to pay for my car respray?09:37
bigcalmdirecthex: somebody keyed it?09:38
directhex[09:18] <directhex> rage.09:38
bigcalmYes, but currently unknown reason for rage09:38
directhexwhy else would i feel a need for rage?09:39
directhexpretty obvious imho09:39
TheOpenSourcerererm using Windows would send me into a rage.09:39
knightwisebigcalm: the script isn't php ? should i put something different at the header ?09:40
shaunoknightwise: that looks like bash to me, just like what you started with09:40
bigcalmWho mentioned it being php?09:40
BigRedS09:23 < marxjohnson> just need to put #!/usr/bin/php instead of #!/bin/bash09:41
BigRedS09:23 < marxjohnson> just need to put #!/usr/bin/php instead of #!/bin/bash09:41
BigRedSoooh, that's sort-of like putty paste fail, but in xterm09:41
BigRedShow did I do that?09:41
shaunoxterm should middle-click paste too.  putty didn't invent it for kicks and giggles :)09:42
marxjohnsonBigRedS: I said that because knightwise thought it was php09:42
bigcalm*clicks and giggles ;)09:42
BigRedSISTR putty does it wrongly, but I don't remember how/why. I know It annoyed me when I was using it...09:42
marxjohnsonkightwise: looks like you'll need #!/bin/bash instead :-)09:42
BigRedSI think I just didn't notice I'd copied the carriage return09:43
bigcalmBy default, putty uses right click to paste09:43
shaunoooh, so it does09:43
bigcalmIt can easily be changed09:43
knightwise./test: line 2: PODCASTS: command not found09:44
knightwisewhen i use #!/bin/bash09:44
BigRedSthat's cause there shouldn't be spaces around the =s09:45
BigRedSin bash, a word followed by a space is expected to be a command, that line should be09:45
JamesTaitBon Vendredi à tous!09:45
screen-xmorning JamesTait :)09:46
knightwisecp: cannot stat `f3': No such file or directory09:46
knightwisef3 is the newest file in one of the subdirectory's09:47
JamesTaitHi screen-x. :)09:47
knightwise(it says that for every 'newest' file in the subdirectories)09:47
shaunoit's not using an absolute path in the copy statement09:47
BigRedSknightwise: which directory are you running that in?09:48
knightwisein the testfolder1 directory09:48
knightwisecp -av `ls $path -rt | tail -1` /home/cardinalzero/testfolder209:48
knightwiseperhaps a / behind testfolder2 ?09:49
BigRedSwhat're you actually doing in that script?09:49
BigRedSwhat's the `ls $path -rt | tail -1` for? shouldn't that be equivalent to just $path?09:50
knightwisei have a folder with podcasts (testfolder 1)09:50
shaunohe wants the n newest files from each sub09:50
knightwiseinside testfolder1 there are multiple subfolders (1 for each podcast i'm subscribed to)09:50
ObtuseTheOpenSourcerer: I like your BSA page :)09:50
Obtuse(finally got to read it)09:50
shaunoI think you need cp -av $path`ls $path -rt | tail -1` ....09:50
knightwisein those subfolder are several podcast files of which i would like to copy over the last episode09:50
BigRedSyou need to make sure the copy-from part is a valid, relative path to the file09:51
shaunothe results of 'ls $path' are returning a filename withing $path, but without giving the source path to cp09:51
BigRedStry replacing that line with09:51
BigRedSecho "cp -av `ls $path -rt | tail -1` /home/cardinalzero/testfolder2"09:51
BigRedS(which is always worth doing before running it 'for real')09:52
TheOpenSourcererknightwise: (08:35:03) TheOpenSourcerer: You might find "find" to be a better option though.09:52
BigRedSand that. I replaced a 180ish line perl script with a four-line bash script using find the other day...09:52
knightwiseYES !09:53
knightwisecd ARG09:53
knightwisethe echo is ok but the files aren( actually copied09:53
knightwise ?09:53
BigRedSwhat's actually echoed?09:53
knightwisecp -av f3 /home/cardinalzero/testfolder209:54
BigRedSdoes a file 'f3' exist in the directory you're in?09:54
knightwiseit exists in testfolder109:54
knightwise(in a subfolder of testfolder 109:54
BigRedSit's in both?09:54
shaunothe difference between 'in' and 'in a subfolder of' is very relevant09:54
knightwisetestfolder1 has 3 subfolders and in each subfolder are 3 files09:55
BigRedSif you're copying a file from a subfolder of the one you're in, you need to tell cp which subfolder the file's in09:55
knightwisethe echo shows that is selecting the "newest" file in every of those 3 subfolders09:55
BigRedSelse it looks directly in the one you're in and doesn't find it09:55
BigRedS /home/cardinalzero/testfolder1/f3 is a completely different place to /home/cardinalzero/testfolder1/somewhere/f309:56
knightwiseyeah but thats the idea09:57
knightwiseso imagine 'testfolder1' is the folder where i download my podcasts into09:57
BigRedSso if you want the file that's in the in 'somewhere' subfolder, you need to tell cp to look there09:57
knightwiseand gpodder makes up a subfolder in that testfolder directory for EVERY podcast i'm subscribed to09:57
knightwiseso i would like the script to take the "newest episode" of every podcast (in those different subfolders) to be copied into one directory09:58
BigRedSbut you're not telling cp to get it out of a subdirectory, so it's not finding it09:58
BigRedSyou need to pass the subdirectory on to cp09:58
BigRedSwhich, as AlanBell said, is probably easier done with find, but it's quite possible to just use cp and the like09:58
knightwiseso i need to make a line for EVERY subdirectory (podcast ?)09:58
BigRedShang on09:58
shaunocp -av $path/`ls -rt $path | tail -1` /dest/path09:59
BigRedSah, yeah, like that.09:59
shaunoI've actually no idea how I'd do that with find10:00
BigRedShm, not the single newest file actually, no10:00
shaunonewer than age or newer than a given file, sure.  but 'newest' ..10:00
shaunoif he just wanted "this week's podcasts" I'd be happy with find :)10:01
BigRedSwell, you could -type d then -exec a script that gets the newest file out of it10:01
BigRedSand pipe that output through sed to get a dest path10:01
knightwise:( No go unfortuantely10:02
BigRedSwhat happens? are you still echoing the call to cp?10:02
knightwisei'll paste the output10:03
knightwisecd but testfolder2 is empty :(10:05
BigRedSthat's cause you're echoing the cp command *rather than* running it.10:05
knightwisecan i RUN the command too ?10:05
BigRedSwe coudl have mentioned that :)10:05
BigRedSyeah, just delete the echo and "s10:06
BigRedSsince those cp calls look like they're going to work10:06
shaunois f3 actually a file?  that's not what I'd expect gpodder to name the podcast itself10:06
knightwiseno , its just an example i made , gonna run it on the Gpodder directory now10:07
shaunoah ok10:07
knightwiseYES ! ! !10:07
knightwiseit worked !10:07
ubuntuuk-planet[Alan Lord] BSA Supporting Free & Open Source Software - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/03/04/bsa-supporting-free-open-source-software/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=bsa-supporting-free-open-source-software10:07
knightwiseThanx so much !10:07
knightwiseok , gonna try it on the podcast directory10:08
BigRedSAny mod_rewrite fiends in here?10:12
BigRedSI'm trying to do s/(.)/www.$1/ on _every_ domain to hit a vhost, and I can't work out how10:12
BigRedSbut I'm sure it should be easy :)10:12
knightwiseaaah SNAP !10:13
knightwisethere are SPACES in the folder names of the podcasst :(10:13
BigRedSknightwise: bah :(10:13
MartijnVdSBigRedS: http://no-www.org/10:13
BigRedSMartijnVdS: no CNAMEs for non-www10:13
MartijnVdSBigRedS: it has howtos :)10:13
MartijnVdSBigRedS: that's evil.. having www.foo.com but not foo.com10:14
BigRedSso I want to, effectively, CNAME in http10:14
shaunoI'm not sure you can rewrite the hostname if the new hostname doesn't exist?10:14
BigRedSMartijnVdS: It appears to be standard for aws. You cname www. to some aws instance, and just need to find someone to to http redirects on the domain itself10:14
BigRedSshauno: it does. foo.com is hosted on aws, and www.foo.com is a cname to some aws instance. I need to make visitors to foo.com also hit that instance, via the cname apparently10:16
shaunoknightwise: that's an easier fix.  cp "$path/`ls -rt $path | tail -1`" /to/destination/  (the " are All New and Improved)10:16
shaunoso you want 'no-www' the other way around?10:17
BigRedSshauno: well, I don't. Customer does :(10:17
BigRedSbut yeah, and for arbitrary domains, so I can have him point them all at a vhost without having to faff with rewriterules10:18
shaunohttp://www.yes-www.org/redirection/  ;)10:18
knightwiseshauno: stukk tge same errors :(10:19
knightwiseits another error10:19
BigRedSshauno: yeah, that's what's there at the minute. But I don't want to need to write the two instances of 'example.com'10:19
knightwisecp: missing destination file operand after `/home/SHARED/PODCASTS/Ubuntu Podcast from the UK LoCo team » mp3-high//media/Y/Music/Podcasts/'10:19
BigRedSI might just stick an index.pl that does it, though, that seems simplest10:20
knightwisenanocp: omitting directory `/home/SHARED/PODCASTS/Ubuntu Podcast from the UK LoCo team » mp3-high/'10:20
knightwisethe line is used is  cp "$path/`ls -rt $path | tail -1`" /media/Y/Music/Podcasts/10:21
shaunoI think that'd just be RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^(.+)$ [NC], RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://%1/www.$1 [R=301,L]10:21
shaunoassuming a different host is answering www., else you're going to need something to stop it redirecting www.example.org to www.www.example.org to www.www.www.example.org ad finitum10:21
knightwiseshauno:  ? any idea ?10:22
BigRedSyeah, it is a different host. I'd not come across the '%1' thingy, cheers!10:22
shauno(or is that http://www.$1/$1 .. ugh.  can't test from here)10:22
BigRedSshauno: I'll fiddle :)10:23
mungojerryScientific Linux 6 is released :)10:23
knightwisei added -av and it appears to be working now10:23
knightwiseif this works i can automate podcatching and copying (and dont have to sync in the morning before i go to work)10:24
shaunoI'm surprised you can't just rsync them to the phone :)  (or ever just grab them from the phone in the first place)10:25
shauno*even.  I really need to start bringing my own keyboard to work :(10:25
knightwisei could do an rsync to instead of a cp10:25
shaunoI mean over the network instead of to a mounted device :)10:26
knightwisejust use rsync -avz --delete10:26
directhexmungojerry, yay? :/10:26
mungojerrydirecthex: yay for me :)10:26
knightwiseshauno: how are you going to mount a folder on your android over samba ?10:26
mungojerrywe use SL5 on desktops...it's getting long in the tooth!10:26
shaunohaven't used android, but if it has ssh, rsync doesn't mind ssh10:26
knightwisehmm , i'm afraid its copying over ALL the episodes of the podcasts instead of just the latest ones10:27
dutchieany ideas for http://twitter.com/jshholland/status/43460844733988865, folks?10:27
bigcalmThat page doesn't exist :)10:28
dutchiewhich page?10:28
bigcalmThe url you pasted10:28
bigcalmYou added a , to the end10:28
DJonesIt works for me10:28
knightwiseshauno: so you think i would be able to ssh into my phone aswell ?10:28
BigRedSdutchie: I vote BSD generally10:29
bigcalmMaking it not work :)10:29
dutchiebigcalm: get a better url highlighter10:29
* bigcalm points at x-chat10:29
dutchieBigRedS: yeah, i was leaning towards that i think10:29
bigcalm, is a valid url character10:29
shaunoknightwise: I can my iphone, so I'd hope all happy & free android could too ;)10:29
* DJones points bigcalm to irssi :)10:29
BigRedSI don't know why BSD over MIT, I think just general familiarity10:29
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BigRedSDJones: the URL highlighting there is in the terminal emulator rather than irssi, I thought/10:29
knightwiseshauno: the script almost works , its just copying over EVERY Episode instead of just the last one :(10:30
DJonesBigRedS: True, puttytray didn't have a problem with it10:30
screen-xknightwise: have you come across the advanced bash scripting guide?10:31
knightwisescreen-x: no :( i'm just a novice10:31
screen-xknightwise: don't need to read it all at once, but really useful for getting your head round bash.10:32
popeyDJones: could be, thanks10:32
knightwisegood idea screen-x10:33
bigcalmDJones: call me old fashioned, but I like a GUI when working on a desktop ;)10:33
screen-xdutchie: wtfpl, mostly because I'm feeling imature.10:34
knightwisejust wondering why the tail -1 doesnt seem towork :(10:34
MartijnVdSscreen-x: why not BSD or MIT then?10:34
knightwisecp -av "$path/`ls -rt $path | tail -1`" /media/Y/Music/Podcasts/10:34
MartijnVdSscreen-x: they're basically wtfpl for adults10:35
BigRedSscreen-x: I _really_ like that license. But I can see people disliking it because of the swearies10:35
BigRedSas in, not being allowed to use the code because the license swears at people :)10:35
BigRedSknightwise: tail -n110:36
BigRedSI thought?10:36
screen-xThe acronym needs a plausible alternative intepretation.10:36
knightwisei'll try10:36
BigRedSOh, no, -1 should work too10:36
popeyDJones: interesting, my work laptop has intel 945GM with drivers from 200610:36
* BigRedS saves several hundred characters a day10:36
popeyintel has newer (2008) drivers10:36
screen-xor as MartijnVdS says, could just grow up and use BSD ;-)10:36
knightwiseBigRedS: :( .. no :( it doesnt seem to see the tail command10:37
* AlanBell points at -> http://doodle.com/eucwzx2qdiiiqs5p10:38
DJonespopey: I was looking at something else & a link to it caught my eye and just thought it was worth mentioning10:38
dutchiewonder what i should put instead of "University of California, Berkeley" for the organisation10:39
knightwisehmm its like the path comman is ok by the ls command doesnt talk to tail10:39
MartijnVdSknightwise: your sentence doesn't make sense10:39
MartijnVdSknightwise: (uw zin is onzin :))10:39
knightwiseMartijnVdS: :)10:40
knightwisecp -av "$path/`ls -rt $path | tail -1`" /media/Y/Music/Podcasts/10:40
bigcalmAnybody see Marchlands last night?10:40
knightwiseis supposed to copy the newest file from every subdir10:40
knightwisebut instead it copies all of them :(10:40
bigcalmBit of a weak ending I thought :S10:40
MartijnVdSknightwise: that won't work, it'll concatenate all files into one long filename10:40
MartijnVdShm, wait.. that SHOULD work..10:41
knightwisethis is the entire script http://pastebin.com/vF98S4e510:41
MartijnVdSknightwise: what happens if you assign first?10:41
MartijnVdSknightwise: FOO=`ls -rt $PATH | tail -1`10:41
MartijnVdSknightwise: echo $FOO10:41
MartijnVdSknightwise: then cp -av "$path/$FOO" $dest10:41
knightwiseerm , whats foo ?10:41
MartijnVdSjust a random name10:42
popeyDJones: just rebooting now to update driver :)10:42
knightwiseMartijnVdS: could you pump that into the pastebin ? then i'll know what to change10:42
DJonespopey: Will be interesting to see if that cures the problem10:43
shaunoknightwise: http://pastebin.com/NfWpH2aN10:43
shaunotried and tested with a "~/test/with spaces/one two three".  that $IFS thing is magics10:43
MartijnVdSknightwise: http://pastebin.com/mvfc8pdj10:44
MartijnVdSshauno: IFS is teh scarey10:44
knightwiseMartijnVdS: trying now10:44
screen-x< MartijnVdS> shauno: IFS is teh scarey <-- great quote :)10:47
knightwiseMartijnVdS: :(10:47
knightwisestill copying everything10:47
shaunoit's the 'path in PODCASTS' bit that breaks, if a folder has spaces in it's name.  the IFS scaries tell it spaces don't matter, newlines do10:48
knightwisei added this !10:48
shauno(well, they matter, but they don't separate)10:48
knightwiseand now it seems to work10:48
knightwiseits only copying one file10:48
knightwiseThats it !10:49
knightwisenext step i'll try with Rsync :) that will speed up copy times10:52
BigRedSit shouldn't do10:53
BigRedSI'd expect the files to not change, so you'd always be copying the entire file10:53
BigRedSer, the filenames to not change10:54
knightwisetrue but you wouldnt be copying over episodes that aren't "new"10:54
shaunoit'd probably make a difference if not every podcast has updated10:54
knightwiseshauno: Exactly10:54
BigRedSahh yeah10:54
knightwiseall i do now is put the script on my SDcard on my phone and have crontab open it there10:55
shaunocp -n would do the same thing tho (--no-clobber)10:55
knightwisethat way the script wont run if my phone is not connected10:55
knightwiseshauno: so just cp -avn ?10:55
knightwiseah k :) then we"ll tweak that too :)10:55
shaunothat'll just stop it copying if the destination file already exists10:56
shaunolikely won't make a lot of difference if you're asleep when cron runs anyway :)10:56
knightwiseshauno: thats also true10:57
knightwisecron runs at 5am10:57
knightwisei get up at 5.3010:57
knightwiseI do have to watch out for the fact that it copies over the episode that was DOWNLOADED the last10:57
screen-xwut! when do you go to bed?10:57
knightwisenot aired the last :)10:57
knightwisefor example i downloaded some old(er) episodes in the feeds too10:58
knightwiseand now it sees those older ones as 'new ones' :)10:58
shaunoyou'll also eventually want something to remove previous espisodes from the sdcard ....10:58
knightwiseshauno: i think i'll use a command that throws out files older then a week10:59
knightwiseor just delete the entire SD directory and run the command10:59
knightwisethat would be the cleanest option10:59
screen-xknightwise: so what you really need to do is get the pub date from the metadata, build an index, and select the newest episodes. Or just use a podcast client to manage your device.11:00
shaunoI heartily recommend itunes.  it's fast, lightweight, freedom-loving ...11:00
knightwisescreen-x: :) then i would be back in itunes11:01
* shauno goes back to work before the noose gets here11:01
knightwiseallmost no linux podcast client has that ability !11:01
screen-xI thought gpodder could manage devices?11:01
knightwisescreen-x: yep , but it doesnt have an option to "only copy over 2 episodes" and stuff11:02
knightwiseand lets face it , this is a way cooler way to do it ? nu ?11:02
knightwisei can even use a command line podcatcher now11:02
shaunowriting a patch for gpodder would be cooler ;)  this is mildly entertaining tho11:02
popeyDJones: not fixed11:03
davmor2morning all11:03
screen-xknightwise: it has "only sync tracks that have not been played"11:03
DJonespopey: Shame, would have been handy if it did, I'm just wondering whether to try updating to the dev channel and testing on this machine11:03
knightwisescreen-x: but i never "play" the tracks in gpodder anyway11:04
knightwisejust on my droid11:04
davmor2popey: one word.  Punish11:04
knightwiseok , added rm -r file to clear the sdcard11:08
shaunoreminds me, I meant to look into running a script when a particular device is connected11:10
shaunobut I heard they're trying to kill hal, so idea where I'd start there anymore11:10
gordshauno, devicekit, udisks specifically11:11
popeyDJones: fixed!11:12
popeyDJones: I had GPU acceleration switched off11:12
DJonespopey: Heh, was that something that came up with the new driver, or would that have been the same with the old driver11:13
shaunogord: ty, that looks like just the ticket11:16
DJonespopey: Was the GPU acceleration a setting for Chrome, or just part of the display driver settings11:18
dutchiewhy did i just ls a newly-created directory when I cd'ed into it?11:19
Obtusedutchie: I do that a lot too.11:20
screen-xdutchie: I do that..11:20
BigRedSforce of habit. I always do that11:20
ObtuseOr typing "w" when I know who is logged in... me!11:21
screen-xColleague "your office is really dull, you should get a SAD lamp" Thanks!11:21
BigRedSI use 'w' as shorthand for 'uptime'11:21
popeyDJones: well, i updated the driver then realised that it wasnt enabled11:21
popey(in chrome)11:21
brobostigonmorning everyone.11:22
popeylo brobostigon11:22
kazadecan anyone think of any reason why a cron job would run twice, one after the other, even though it's only got a single entry in the crontab?11:22
brobostigonmorning popey11:23
kazadeo/ brobostigon11:23
brobostigonmorning kazade11:23
DJonespopey: Found it, having just updated to the dev channel, I've a "GPU Accelerated Canvas 2D" which appears to be enabled by default11:23
ObtuseBigRedS:  Me too, and even though  I know only I use my workstation, in days-gone-by I absent-mindedly checked load on big shared servers at Uni etc.11:24
Synth_samDJones:Strange, I'm on the dev channel and it's disabled by default on mine11:24
Obtusekazade: Time changed on the box so it was appropriate again?11:24
ObtuseNTP sync or something?11:24
kazadeObtuse, !11:25
kazadethat's something I haven't looked at11:25
kazadethat could well be it!11:25
popeyDJones: bah! not fixed after all11:28
davmor2popey: did you think the issue might be XP?11:32
popeywell it used to work11:38
jonsainthi all. can anyone recommend a programme for yahoo that lets you share pictures and also webcam use?11:39
BigRedSfor yahoo?11:39
DJonesjonsaint: Yahoo messenger?11:39
BigRedSoh, yahoo messenger11:39
DJonesjonsaint: Possibly aMSN, but I'm not 100% sure whether that will work with webcams11:40
jonsaintaint that for msn tho??11:40
DJonesIts not just for MSN11:41
jonsaintil give it a try11:41
davmor2jonsaint: have you tried empathy and pidgin11:42
jonsaintpidgin yes.11:43
dutchieempathy would probably be a better choice than aMSN if you like your eyes not bleeding11:43
dutchieit may not work though11:43
DJonesdutchie: Does empathy work for video/webcam chat for yahoo accounts11:44
dutchiemaybe :)11:44
jonsaintcheers folks. gonna try it now. will report back11:44
shaunogood lord.  I seem to have sprung some terrible lag :/11:50
nigelbKopete does video for yahoo I believe11:51
knightwiseDJones: why not use google video chat11:51
knightwiseits platform independant11:51
DJonesknightwise: "11:33 < jonsaint> hi all. can anyone recommend a programme for yahoo that lets you share pictures and also webcam use?11:52
brobostigonempathy does do webcam and voice for some protocols.11:52
jonsaintim just waiting for the person to come online for me to check it11:53
ObtuseAnyone know a good wireless webcam?12:01
ObtuseI want a tadpole cam :)12:01
knightwiselogitech had those once12:02
popeyooo yay, bug 721447 is assigned to gord12:08
lubotu3Launchpad bug 721447 in unity (Ubuntu) "Unable to scroll in Applications/Files and Folders Place using mouse wheel" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72144712:08
popeyGo Gord Go!12:08
DJonesAre you going to annoy him by asking hourly, "Is it fixed yet?" :)12:11
popeynah, that would be unfair12:12
=== popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List: http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines - http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting Thursday March 17th 21:00 GMT in #ubuntu-uk-meeting http://tinyurl.com/uukmeet | Quiz Night poll: http://doodle.com/eucwzx2qdiiiqs5p Go Gord Bug 721447
TheOpenSourcererThat sounds like a parent speaking DJones12:12
TheOpenSourcerer"Are we there yet?"12:12
popeythat'll do :)12:12
DJonesTheOpenSourcerer: That was the thought that was going through my head12:12
davmor2popey: harsh,  that'll be gord and sil out to punish you then :P12:13
TheOpenSourcererHave we all visited the 'Choose-a-Quiz-night' page? http://doodle.com/eucwzx2qdiiiqs5p12:24
shaunoI'd just spotted that, and was trying to see if I could scroll back far enough to find out what said quiz entails12:24
bigcalmQuestions and answers?12:25
DJonesshauno: Have a look at the -uk-meeting logs12:26
* bigcalm is in one of those moods12:26
TheOpenSourcererHmm - why isn't the uk-loco on this list? http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/12:26
TheOpenSourcerershauno: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/MeetingNotes/2011030312:26
shaunoah, cheers.  explains why scrollback was failing me12:26
TheOpenSourcererInfact to save you scrolling: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/MeetingNotes/20110303#AlanBell%20-%20Quiz%20night12:27
shaunothis should be fun.  it's time to gather up all the rack keys and try them out because someone took the right key home with them12:43
bigcalmNot labeled?12:48
knightwisei just love using the issh client on the ipad12:49
knightwisemakes you feel like you're doing something you're not supposed to12:50
davmor2knightwise: I like the connectbot on android for a similar reason12:51
shaunobigcalm: sort of.  some of the rack keys fit racks they're not meant to12:52
shaunoso Plan B is always to grab every key you can find and try 'em all :)12:53
tugrikdon't scissors work pretty well as rack keys?12:58
tugrikor are these *properly* secured racks?12:59
knightwiseit works :)13:02
knightwisethe podcast copy script works :}13:02
brobostigonyay, gnome-shell working on natty, :)13:03
brobostigonthank you, gnome3 team, :)13:03
brobostigonafternoonings HazRPG :)13:05
HazRPGbrobostigon: afternoon :)13:05
HazRPGseems that tried to chat with me while I was asleep >_<13:06
MartijnVdSHazRPG: you sleep?!13:07
HazRPGMartijnVdS: Sometimes :P13:07
HazRPGargh, this is driving me insane!13:11
MartijnVdSHazRPG: what is?13:12
HazRPGMartijnVdS: this SID I'm trying to produce lol13:12
MartijnVdSSID.. as in c64 music?13:12
MartijnVdSscary man13:13
HazRPGhttp://www.hazrpg.co.uk/music/c64/Tune1-v0.1.sid <== this is what I've got13:13
HazRPGMartijnVdS: http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/music/c64/cadaver2.sid I'm trying to work out how this guy managed to speed the same baseline13:14
MartijnVdSI don't know sid files, only mod files13:15
MartijnVdSand there it's easy :)13:15
DeathSlingZimbra administrators!!  If I have openssh-server am I right in asuming that it should be setup to listen on any port other than 22 as Zimbra "Remote Queue Manager" is running on that port?13:15
HazRPGMartijnVdS: Depends what compiled it - totem will open the files btw ;)13:15
HazRPGthe sid files I mean13:16
HazRPGMartijnVdS: Wait, you know how to make .mod's ?13:16
daubersHazRPG: What're you making them in?13:16
HazRPGin the repo for ubuntu :)13:16
DeathSlingA googled answer say's that ssh should be setup on 22, which seems wrong to me13:16
MartijnVdSHazRPG: milkytracker - Music creation tool inspired by Fast Tracker 213:17
screen-xDeathSling: 22 is the default port for ssh13:17
HazRPGDeathSling: The port should be 22 by default, if you have something running on port 22 - you should change it :)13:17
HazRPGwhat screen-x said :)13:17
DeathSlingI did, I am running ssh on 5061 but an error in zimbra seems to point at that13:18
HazRPGMartijnVdS: I have that one too,  however I find this one easier to understand (don't know why)13:18
MartijnVdSHazRPG: ft2 and/or it used to be _the_ tools, back in the 90s :)13:18
HazRPGMartijnVdS: Really?13:19
HazRPGMartijnVdS: I'm guessing its still based on the c64 SID right?13:19
HazRPGMilkyTracker just seems confusing, because I thought the c64 could only play 3 channels13:20
MartijnVdSHazRPG: schism - ImpulseTracker clone aiming at providing the same look&feel13:20
* HazRPG fills hard drive with more stuff13:21
HazRPGMartijnVdS: Yeah I noticed that one too, but that one I didn't download13:21
MartijnVdSHazRPG: I don't know sid at all..13:21
shaunotugrik: definately not 'properly secured'.  they're just little tumblers like office drawers.  it's just a training lab :)13:21
MartijnVdSHazRPG: mods are made for some chip in the Amiga13:22
HazRPGMartijnVdS: ah I thought so :)13:22
HazRPGMartijnVdS: Aww, Schism doesn't make a menu icon :(13:23
MartijnVdSHazRPG: who needs a menu icon :)13:23
HazRPGMartijnVdS: Its nice for when you forget you have something ^^13:23
HazRPGwow schism is tiny on my screen13:25
MartijnVdSHazRPG: you need to run it full-screen on a 15" CRT13:25
MartijnVdSfor full effect ;)13:25
HazRPGMartijnVdS: hehe13:26
HazRPGMartijnVdS: which one do you use?13:26
MartijnVdSHazRPG: neither atm.. it's been a while :)13:27
HazRPGMartijnVdS: Argh! that was scary13:28
HazRPGfull-screen on my setup just isn't right13:28
HazRPGspans the two screens I have going on here13:29
shaunoHazRPG: what on earth are you up to now?   lol13:32
HazRPGshauno: you make it sound like I'm just up to mischief all the time :P13:33
shaunono comment13:33
HazRPGshauno: http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/music/c64/Tune1-v0.1.sid13:33
HazRPGshauno: that's what I have so far13:33
HazRPGshauno: and I'm trying to imitate this: http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/music/c64/cadaver2.sid13:34
shaunohm.  wonder what I've got that'd open those13:35
HazRPGshauno: totem?13:35
shaunoat work :)13:35
HazRPGvlc should, and gnome player13:35
shaunogot a modtracker on my phone, but I think that's just .mod's13:36
brobostigonvlc plays basiclly everything, in my experience.13:37
HazRPGbrobostigon: this is true13:37
HazRPGbrobostigon: ooo... vlc doesn't play sid!13:38
brobostigonHazRPG: including on occasion, broken vids and audio files.13:38
brobostigonHazRPG: what, :(13:38
shaunodoesn't appear to here either13:38
knightwiseshauno: script works great btw13:39
HazRPGbrobostigon: ahh I had this problem with mid too... you need to have a synth file included in the vlc to get it to work - and synth files are copyright so they don't include as standard13:39
knightwisealso set it up for a generic usb stick i can use in the car13:39
MartijnVdSHazRPG: apt-get install freepats13:39
knightwisethanx again to all of you13:39
brobostigonHazRPG: ah, i see.13:39
MartijnVdSHazRPG: also, apt-get install timidity :)13:39
shaunosidplay2 -w your.sid :)13:40
HazRPGthat too13:40
shaunodumps a .wav, and I'm pretty sure xp should beable to handle that much13:40
silnerIs there any reason why gems like iplayer-dl and Grumblr don't get into Ubuntu repos - special issue with gems or just coincidence? Popey?13:41
MartijnVdSHazRPG: ^ have you checked timidity + freepats?13:41
HazRPGMartijnVdS: I googled them :P13:41
shaunopfft.  uae & protracker.13:42
HazRPGshauno: ?13:42
HazRPGwhere'd you get sidplay2 from?13:43
shaunoapt-cache search sidplay13:43
HazRPGsidplay (without the 2) isn't there13:43
shaunooddly, the package is named sidplay, but the binary is named sidplay213:43
popeyshauno: nobody has packaged them13:43
popeyplus most of those are a single script13:44
shaunosilner: ^13:44
silnerSo it's just not worth it?13:44
silnerI just wondered if there was some special reason why?13:45
popeywell, get-iplayer is packaged in ubuntu13:45
popeyand is more maintained than iplayer-dl13:45
popeybut the version in ubuntu hasn't got love because upstream dropped it13:45
popeyno special reason why silner13:45
silnerGrumblr is pretty unique though? And quite a long script :)13:46
popeynever heard if it13:46
silnerTumblr client13:46
silnerLike Tumblweed but native to Linux rather than AIR13:47
silnerMuch faster because of that13:47
popeyget someone to package it in debian13:47
popeythen we get the benefit too13:47
popey(and so does everyone else)13:47
silnerThat's an idea - author said gems are so easy anyway it's not worth his time, more politely than that though :)13:48
popeyits written in ruby?13:48
popeygive yup13:48
AlanBellruby does not like deb13:48
silnerAh right13:48
popeyruby doesn't seem to like any kind of packaging13:49
* nigelb huggles python13:49
AlanBelltrue, it isn't an exclusive deb problem13:49
gordpython isn't a huge fan of packaging either ;)13:49
nigelbbut there is some form of packaging13:49
silnerGems are easy enough but but it was new to me the way you do it and I'm guessing some may find the menu creation hard work13:50
AlanBellpython also has problems when mixing .deb and easy_install13:50
nigelbI stick to virtualenv + pip13:50
nigelbfor the most part...13:51
shaunopip/gems make me think the same thing.  is 'foo doesn't like packaging' related to 'foo has invented their own packaging'13:51
silnerI knew there had to be some reason because I could find any Ruby Gems that had been packaged for any system13:51
AlanBellthe generic problem is mixing different packaging systems13:51
nigelbthere is the distro packaging, then there is the gem or easy_install or pip packagaing13:52
nigelbmixing things tend to make it crash13:52
shaunoatleast cpan seems to pull it off quite nicely13:52
nigelbor fight with each other, which is worse13:52
silnerThe Gem is very stable and runs as fast as asimilar native app AFAIKS13:52
silnerI just wish it had a spellchecker13:53
silnerAt least now I understand why the author was so reluctant to fulfil my wishlist :)13:54
silnerI'm actually thinking of looking into packaging. I'm getting fed up with recompiling source I want every time I upgrade or change systems13:56
HazRPGthere's definitely a trick I'm missing here, I just don't get how the other guy speeded up13:56
* mungojerry just got back from a technology show14:00
mungojerryit's amazing how many stands were irrelevant : symantec, mcafee, etc14:01
shaunoamazing how survivable such companies are tho :/14:03
shauno(that said, I used to have a linux build of mcafee.  I wonder if they still do that)14:04
silnerThere are quite a few AVs  for linux now14:04
silnerAVG and Antivir are free too14:05
silneras in beer14:05
silnernot FREE14:05
silneror FAIF as Bradley Kuhn would say :)14:05
mungojerryintel bought mcafee for what, $8bn?14:07
HazRPGI'm never going to get better with this :(14:09
shaunoboy did they get ripped off.  I think we paid about $20 for it14:09
screen-xshauno: haha14:10
HazRPGshauno: you almost had me on the floor with that xD14:10
screen-xanyone know of a suitable channel for asking questions about troff/groff, I'm getting rather frustrated :(14:11
shaunothat'd be an odd one for irc.  I think you just want to walk around the building until you find someone with a gray beard14:12
screen-xshauno: I found someone with half glasses, he suggested using an invisible table to solve my problem, like html of old :(14:14
HazRPGah ha I think I cracked it!14:14
HazRPGit has a shorter pattern length!14:15
* HazRPG goes to experiment!14:15
* brobostigon returns from doing last nights washing up.14:15
popeyapparently I only contribute to Ubuntu because I want a job from Mark Shuttleworth14:16
brobostigonwhat cheek.14:16
shaunowell that explains everything!14:17
brobostigonwhat a cheap shot.14:17
shaunoin other news, you appear to be famous ;)14:17
mungojerryschestowitz is still trolling i see14:18
mungojerryby that reckoning , who does he want a job from?14:18
mungojerrypopey: were you googling yourself again?14:18
shaunowhy would anyone do that ... when they can use google.com/alerts to do it for them14:19
mungojerryanyone use get_iplayer? having problems getting it to work :(14:20
shaunoI do14:21
HazRPGseems I was wrong14:21
mungojerryshauno: "rtmpdump does not support SWF Verification"14:21
brobostigonmungojerry: it works here,but i have to set it to download a flashform, ie --mode=flashstd  for example.14:21
mungojerrybrobostigon: trying that but getting a fail on rtmpdump14:22
mungojerryi have it working at home but having bandwidth issues there, today is my last day to download14:22
brobostigonmungojerry: have you tried rtmpdump from the repos?14:22
brobostigon!info rtmpdump14:23
lubotu3rtmpdump (source: rtmpdump): A small dumper for media content streamed over the RTMP protocol. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.3-2 (maverick), package size 43 kB, installed size 156 kB14:23
mungojerryi'm on lucid :(14:23
mungojerrydoesn't exist14:23
brobostigon!info rtmpdump lucid14:23
HazRPGpopey: random14:23
lubotu3Package rtmpdump does not exist in lucid14:23
brobostigonmungojerry: :(14:23
shaunoit appears I'm using flvstreamer rather than rtmpdump14:24
brobostigonmungojerry: ido believe you need to specify the path to rtmpdump aswell. soit canfind it.14:24
HazRPGpopey: how did you even find that? or do you frequent that channel?14:25
brobostigonhttps://github.com/jjl/get_iplayer thats the version i am using.14:25
popeyafter a conversation on identica the other day I had a look at their logs to prove a point, spotted that14:25
popeymungojerry: i use get_iplayer, i have it cronned on my server at home to get my fave programmes14:25
popey/home/alan/bin/get_iplayer --no-purge --vmode=flashhd,flashvhigh,flashhigh,flashstd,flashnormal,iphone --pvr --flvstreamer=/home/alan/bin/flvstreamer --output=/srv/media/TV --subdir14:26
popeythats what I do :)14:26
shaunoI have it cronned .. err .. somewhere in the uk  =x14:26
HazRPGpopey: those comments are rather harsh tbh, most people contribute because they want to better a project14:27
shaunocontributing hoping it'll lead to employment isn't as silly as they make it sound14:28
HazRPGshauno: true14:28
popeyi didnt say it was silly :)14:28
shaunonot as directly as "if I'm nice to mark he'll give me a job", but more as a general "having foss on your resume"14:28
shaunonot you, your log :)  makes it sound like a less-than-valid tactic14:29
mungojerryok guys, i found a deb of rtmpdump14:29
mungojerryworks now :)14:29
HazRPGshauno: I agree on the "having foss on your resume/cv" part14:30
mungojerryi had previously compiled it but obviously missing an option14:30
brobostigon./get_iplayer --nopurge --type=all --category=scifi14:30
HazRPGalways a great thing to add to your hobbies/skills section14:30
shaunoit's a classic catch-22 that everyone wants experience, but how do you get it.  foss is a fantastic answer14:30
mungojerryif someone wants a job with canonical they should just apply :P14:30
HazRPGshauno: :)14:30
HazRPGyeah, exactly14:31
HazRPGnothings stopping people from ever sending them a CV or filling out an application form14:31
HazRPGplus if you've helped out with the community, you can mention that to them14:31
MartijnVdSHazRPG: as if they care about the community </cynic> :P14:32
shaunoI thought I had some docs on troff, but turns out it's for roff.  stone.  age.14:32
HazRPGbut to say that's the only motivation behind helping out, is to get a job from them is invalid14:32
HazRPGhmm, am I the only one that doesn't seem to /get/ twitter and identi.ca14:33
shaunono.  my mom doesn't get it either.14:34
brobostigonHazRPG: i have my own, ptaylor.status.net14:34
HazRPGshauno: *eye twitch*14:34
shaunoHazRPG: I kid.  she probably would if she cared :p14:34
knightdroidconnectbot ftw14:35
HazRPGbrobostigon: argh, now that just makes it more confusing!14:35
brobostigonHazRPG: hehe, sorry,14:35
HazRPGso status.net != identica != twitter14:36
HazRPGbut identica ~ twitter14:36
brobostigonHazRPG: status.net is the tech identi.ca is based on and uses,14:36
daubersHazRPG: status.net = identi.ca != twitter14:36
shaunothe main difference between them is twitter actually has users14:37
screen-xdaubers: where "is used by" denotes "uses"14:38
HazRPGthat's like saying the playstation 3 has no games14:38
HazRPG /hides under rock14:38
screen-xhmm, there was supposed to be an = in there somwhere, complete fail.14:38
brobostigonshauno: allthe right people use identica, icant say  that for twitter.14:38
daubersbrobostigon: "the right people"???14:39
HazRPGdaubers: I'm guessing he means foss-based people :)14:39
shaunoI wouldn't agree with that either.  tried identica, got spammed senseless14:39
brobostigondaubers: yes, i know what i mean, umm,14:39
HazRPGi.e. most of the nice ones14:39
Ngidenti.ca is good for talking to FOSS people, twitter is good for talking to normal people14:39
screen-xI dont know any normal people, but I know plenty of non FOSS people.14:40
HazRPGshauno: maybe you were just hooked up to the wrong people?14:40
HazRPG+1 screen-x14:40
shaunoI don't believe I was 'hooked up' to anyone14:40
HazRPGshauno: following I mean, or being followed14:41
HazRPGif that's even the right term for identica14:41
brobostigonHazRPG: yes, those are the right words.14:41
HazRPGbrobostigon: :014:42
shaunojust looked, I'm in the ubuntu 'group' and following ubuntu-ie.  no more, no less14:43
shaunoit's not like I followed half of brazil.  they came to me   lol14:44
mungojerryHazRPG: twitter seems to be a good broacast medium. i basically use it as i would an rss reader14:44
HazRPGmungojerry: yeah I use twitter for that reason14:44
mungojerryi don't really follow many people14:45
mungojerryi find it a clunky way to communicate too14:45
HazRPGme either, hard to keep track otherwise14:45
mungojerryespecially the messaging14:45
brobostigonnationalrailenquiries annuncements is a good use of twitter.14:45
mungojerrybrobostigon: a bit verbose though?14:45
mungojerryi don't like reading about stuff that doesn't apply to me14:45
brobostigonmungojerry: but useful, if you use the train alot.14:45
mungojerryi want granularity of announcements for only one line14:46
mungojerrybrobostigon: agree in principle though14:46
brobostigonmungojerry: :)14:46
brobostigonor for the ubuntu-uk admins, bitfolk downtime/issue announements.14:47
shaunoman friday afternoon is boring.  I need to find something to keep me busy, or I may start snoring14:52
mungojerryhave a meeting with anti open-source consultants in 5 mins :(14:52
* brobostigon gets mungojerry a concience gun, to aim at said consultants.14:53
mungojerryvery upset about the way decisions are handled :(14:54
popeyho ho ho14:54
popeyco-workers windows 7 laptop is knackered14:54
brobostigonhw or sw?14:54
shaunosugar packets?14:54
mungojerryi kept seeing win7 laptops on display today and thought they were running kde414:55
DJonesHave you booted up with a live cd yet and saved all their work making them eternally greatful to you14:55
BigRedShah, yeah, I did exactly that with win714:55
popeydoing a memtest now14:57
brobostigonhmm, nm-applet seems to be dieing every so often.14:58
brobostigon[ 3796.135586] nm-applet[16111]: segfault at 1 ip b73a0ae6 sp bfcd3904 error 4 in libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.1[b72a8000+3d0000]15:02
brobostigonok, launchpad here we come.15:02
screen-x>:(( groff 46,329, screen-x 215:06
Myrttinaps ♥15:06
brobostigoncan someone confirm please, before i report it, i cant find a bug like it, in natty.15:06
screen-xyay for naps \o/15:06
bigcalmNap time for the servers15:09
screen-xfreenode never sleeps, but sometimes it has hiccups ;-)15:11
davmor2brobostigon: I have no issues with nm15:14
brobostigondavmor2: ok, thats interesting to know, how about solely with the applet, rather than network-manager as a whole.15:16
davmor2brobostigon: Nope sits there doing it's job15:16
brobostigondavmor2: ok, thank you.15:16
davmor2brobostigon: no probs15:17
brobostigondavmor2: must be something specific to my machine and or installation then.15:17
davmor2brobostigon: try running tail on the syslog and see if the driver disconnects and reconnects15:19
davmor2brobostigon: Still do a bug other maybe effected15:20
brobostigondavmor2: yes, good idea.15:20
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HazRPGshauno_: I like knowing these things though15:27
HazRPGshauno: ^^15:27
shaunoI'm not sure how best to explain without offending anyone15:28
HazRPGI thought emacs was a cli editor thing15:28
shaunothat's the one15:28
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HazRPGI knew it was one of two15:28
HazRPG(remember the eMac?15:29
* brobostigon has found, the seven year itch, on film4, one of his favorite films. deadfunny film.15:29
HazRPGor Educational Mac15:29
brobostigonHazRPG: yes, and it was butt ugly.15:29
HazRPGbrobostigon: literally BUTT :P15:29
HazRPGshauno: how would you offend anyone about emacs?15:30
HazRPG\o/ hurray!15:32
* HazRPG feels offend that sid isn't on that list15:33
HazRPGsurely c64 was popular enough to support its format, right?15:33
DJoneso/ C6415:34
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ali1234sid isn't a tracker format15:36
HazRPGsng is though?15:36
ali1234nobody cares about that15:36
ali1234sid music is in sid format15:36
gordsid is format that conveys pure joy, that is all that matters15:36
ali1234which is 6502 machine code15:36
HazRPGali1234: ah, that would explain why bin is one of the formats GoatTracker saves in15:37
HazRPGor rather compiles/packs15:37
shauno.sng is just 'dot song'.  it's really quite generic15:38
HazRPGrenoise seems to use flac's for its samples... that just seems to be sacrilege!15:38
[diablo]afternoon all... I have an opening for an Ubuntu Server administrator in London.... senior role... and due to its almost niche nature I am looking for a way to promote the role within the Ubuntu (UK) community15:39
sealhi all, I hope I am in the right forum. If not please refer me...Set-up: ubuntu 10.10. I need help in two areas...(1) edit my . profile to say  " PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin:/sbin:$HOME/bin "      \n   " export PATH  "      \n   " unset USERNAME  "  in .profile (2) how can I stop public_html from downloading php instead of parsing it?15:39
screen-x[diablo]: have you posted it to the linuxjobs ml?15:40
HazRPGseal: I assume you have php installed15:40
nigelb[diablo]: write a blog post on ubuntu uk planet ')15:40
[diablo]hi screen-x ... not yet. I have looked there and see there is very little movement15:40
[diablo]nigelb, yep, that was another suggestion from someone in the ubuntu-ha channel15:41
screen-x[diablo]: I subscribe and see a reasonable volume of jobs, not much discussion, but it isn't a discussion list.15:41
sealhi HazRPG yes it work within  root local host but I wish to config in /home/user15:41
nigelb[diablo]: there is some upcoming event too.  Go for it and hand out buisnesss cards15:41
nigelbOr bribe popey to advertise on uupc ;)15:42
shaunowas going to say, it shouldn't be high volume.  it's a definate case for quality vs quantity15:42
popey[diablo]: there's a fair number of people on that list15:43
popey<- one of the admins of the list15:43
[diablo]sorry, which list?15:43
popey15:40:20 < screen-x> [diablo]: have you posted it to the linuxjobs ml?15:43
[diablo]switching windows constantly :-)15:44
nigelbpopey: the list limited to uk?15:45
HazRPGseal: I'm confused, you want to move the public_html folder you mean to /home/user15:45
shaunoseal: check in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf15:46
[diablo]I am right in saying popey that you refer to https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs15:46
popeynigelb: yes15:46
HazRPGshauno: that was going to be my next suggestion :P15:46
nigelbaw :(15:46
sealHazRPG: I have installed lamp server^ and it is configure to work in localhost...15:46
shaunoyou should find a stanza containing  http://paste.ubuntu.com/575536/15:46
sealI have created public_html in /home/user/public_html15:47
shaunoI believe it's there for a very good reason.  I do believe php files run from public_html will still be run by www-data, which can be a gaping security flaw15:47
sealAnd I wish to run php file from within public_html dir15:48
shaunoif you need to do it on a production machine, or something that's net facing, google suexec and have fun.  if not, firewall up and remove that stanza15:48
HazRPGshauno: you mean placing public_html in ~/ is a security problem?15:48
shaunoHazRPG: no, I mean having 'shaun' by allowed to write to a file that's executed by 'www-data' can be a problem.15:48
HazRPGseal: as shauno mentioned check /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf (he's also pasted an example in paste.ubuntu.com)15:49
sealjust checking guys...15:49
HazRPGseal: also, make sure you have allowed users to be able to execute the php files - otherwise it'll be pointless15:49
HazRPGgotta have the right permissions ;)15:49
shaunoif his browser is feeding him the file instead of parsing it, permissions are good.  php is simply disabled for userdir out of the box.  for very, very good reasons15:50
HazRPGshauno: would linking to the main folder be a bad idea?15:51
shaunodepends what he's trying to do.  if he just needs a machine for local development, firewall 80 and rip the place apart15:51
sealI did did check and my settings: php_admin_value engine On15:52
shaunoif it's going to be net-facing, or a multi-user setup, he needs to understand why having everyone's files executed by www-data isn't clean15:52
sealIs it recommended to run directly in www?15:52
HazRPGshauno: I'll leave you to help him out, I still have a lot to learn about running apache in linux it seems15:53
HazRPGseems so very different to the windows version15:54
HazRPGhowever I always work in the prime directory it was installed in as standard anyway15:54
sealI recently moved over to linux so I am trying to understand how it is done here - but I am happy with any suggestions...this particular setup is for development purpose15:55
bigcalmYou know your heart isn't in it for the day when you carry on playing minecraft during a client phone call15:56
brobostigonseal: we are happy to help in any way we can, in our own way, :)15:57
brobostigonbigcalm: :)15:57
sealbrobostigon: thanks ;)15:57
shaunoseal, sticking with /var/www is usually the most sensible option15:57
brobostigonseal: :)15:58
seal/var/www it is...15:58
screen-xhmmm my gmail account is temporarily unavailable, given the recent problems, I hope it comes back containing all my mail..16:00
davmor2screen-x: Nah!16:01
shaunoscreen-x: but think of all the extra space you'll have!16:01
screen-xits the 2011 version of "the dog ate it"16:01
shaunoI have to say "I told you so"; less than a month ago people questioned why I wanted to be my own MX instead of letting google handle everything16:02
shaunoit's 4pm; do you know where your backups are?  :D16:02
* bigcalm doesn't care enough on a Friday afternoon ;)16:03
shaunoI need to find a theme with more colour.  when people /me, it looks like I wrote it :/16:05
screen-x\o/ gmail is back, with all my mail... this tiem16:06
sealthank you guys for your help...I'm off16:07
screen-xshauno: running local mail is fine, I haven't found a good solution for calenders though.16:07
shaunomay be worth getting fetchmail to hit up their pop3 and blast it all to a mbox once in a while.  nicely ugly 'just in case' option16:08
screen-xthats a good idea..16:08
shaunoyaknow, just in case they go bankrupt or something  *scratches head*16:08
shaunoI keep meaning to look into caldav.  never found myself quite bored enough yet16:09
screen-xproblem is that gcal is really easy, works well with mobile devices, and has lots of users.16:09
shaunoespecially since the new & improved nanny at work has blocked me.com :(16:09
bigcalmHumm, Sound Juicer doesn't know what to do with dual format CDs16:12
bigcalmWhich is sucky16:12
andylockranhate it when I put my hands on the wrong place on teh keyboard then start typing16:13
ali1234does diaspora have PIM/CMS type stuff, or is it just ... facebooky?16:14
shaunoI couldn't get it to federate, so it was like facebook with 1 user16:14
screen-xandylockran: at least your offset is conistent.16:15
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shaunodon't like friday afternoons :(  everyone goes home early.  everyone .. else.16:17
screen-xshauno: I'm staying late today..16:17
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shaunoI never know when I'm staying late.  I find out if a test fails at 6.15 :)16:18
* brobostigon scp's shauno and screen-x a beer, theyhave earnt it.16:18
BigRedSIs there a --purge equivalent for a package that you've already removed?16:19
screen-xBigRedS: I think you'd have to install then purge.16:19
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BigRedSscreen-x: yeah, it's what I've always done. Just ocurred to me that there might be a proper way of doing it16:22
screen-xBigRedS: I dont think its possible, because you can't dpkg -L a package that isn't installed.16:23
screen-xBigRedS: however you could do something with apt-file's index and remove any files that are still there.16:23
shaunodpkg can purge things that don't exist, apt can't16:24
shaunodpkg --purge packagename should work.  apt-get --purge remove packagename will complain16:24
shaunosimilarily, dpkg -L package should be pretty honest about the remains of uninstalled packaged that weren't purged16:25
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shaunothink I'm gonna stick joins/quits on ignore so I can just pretend there's still people here :)16:28
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screen-xshauno: http://paste.ubuntu.com/575562/16:29
andylockranshauno: I'm here :)16:30
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shaunois apache2 not a meta?16:30
screen-xdamn, it probably is16:30
screen-xwas trying to think of something that would have config files.16:30
shaunometas have nothing.  not even config files :)16:31
shaunoscreen-x: I see your paste and raise you a http://paste.ubuntu.com/575565/16:34
screen-x:) will know for next time16:34
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gordpopey_, you can remove me from the topic now :)16:37
danfishshauno: I have joins/quits on ignore, but when a split occurs and no one answers, you start to feel a bit paranoid ;)16:38
screen-xquick work gord :)16:42
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gordeh, was like a five minute fix, just was on the back burner16:43
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shaunoglad the bot doesn't parse that16:44
AlanBellwhat is bug 721447 anyway?16:44
mungojerry1waits for lubotto...16:44
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DJonesThe bot is probably on teh wrong side of a split16:45
AlanBellanyone want to test my mumble server?16:45
shaunodanfish: I do in most rooms, but this one isn't usually too noisy16:45
AlanBellinstall mumble and connect to mumble.libertus.co.uk16:45
danfishAlanBell: I'll give it a go, but it will be from Win XP16:52
danfishbah - port blocked by the great firewall16:55
AlanBellah well16:56
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AlanBellplenty of time to try later16:56
AlanBellI am just curious whether there are any timing issues with it running in a VM16:56
shaunoI'd hope not.  I run teamspeak for 25-30 people in a fairly cheap vps16:58
AlanBellthis isn't a cheap VPS16:59
daubersAlanBell: Whats the connect address?16:59
AlanBellit is actually in Germany, but on a fast link17:00
* daubers pauses his momentus backup task17:00
Daviey-AlanBell, mumble.daviey.com is a VM17:00
Daviey-and that seems to work fine.17:00
AlanBelloh good17:00
AlanBellI know asterisk conferencing can be very sensitive to timing sources17:00
* daubers notes he can't connect to any *.archive domain17:01
danfishAlanBell: is this for the quiz?17:01
AlanBelldanfish: could well be17:01
shaunothere's a .archive tld?17:01
AlanBelland I just wanted to try it17:01
AlanBellI just installed natty server and mumble-server on that, easy peasy17:01
danfishquiz means pwizes \o/17:02
AlanBellcertainly does17:02
screen-xdanfish: nah, thats points17:02
danfishand me wants a pony17:02
* screen-x points danfish at the ponyclub17:02
danfishscreen-x: they wouldn't have me.....17:05
danfishthe openstack announcement for natty server was interesting17:05
danfishcompetition is always good17:07
lazarus_grr fails17:09
gordpfft, tell that to mr jobs ;)17:09
screen-xgord: he's fine with competition, as long as he's winning17:10
lazarus_screen-x: LOL17:10
daubersscreen-x: Or he owns them17:12
shauno1 more hour to test my sanity17:15
danfishhe looked a bit peaky doing that ipad2 launch17:15
danfishhe might not see ipad3...17:16
shaunoaccording to the national enquirer's expert medical opinion, he died weeks ago17:16
HazRPGshauno: I just found OpenMPT17:17
HazRPGshauno: wish it had a linux port... but still nice regardless17:17
shaunoI'm reading unix docs from 1979.  you may win this round.17:17
HazRPGshauno: ?17:18
shaunothe boredom sweepstakes :)17:18
HazRPGI'm messing with trackers ^^17:18
HazRPGshauno: think it would be hard to port to linux?17:19
screen-xshauno: I think I win, I'm hacking a perl script from circa 1990 that outputs troff17:19
HazRPGscreen-x: :P17:19
shaunoooh, I already went past troff17:19
shaunoA TROFF Tutorial. B. W. Kernighan.; An introduction to TROFF for those who really want to know such things.; Bell17:21
shaunoLaboratories, 1976.17:21
rysin3_How do I configure vnc4server to let me view the server machine's actual screen output rather than a new session? Or is there a better solution for parental control remote screen viewing?17:21
screen-xshauno: I'm reading N Gehani 198817:23
shaunoI thought vino-server did that by default?  (and thought it was bulit into gnome now)17:23
screen-xrysin3_: system > preferences > remote desktop > allow other users to view your desktop17:23
AlanBellrysin3_: personally I think parental controls should be installed on the other side of the eyeballs17:25
Azelphurn64 emulator came out for android last night :o17:26
* Azelphur is trying it now17:27
rysin3_ok thanks for your help and your opinion! :D17:27
rysin3_But.... I'm using a variant of ubuntu on the other machine (I want to view) that doesn't have remote desktop installed. Is this available via package manager?17:28
screen-x!info vino17:29
lubotu3`vino (source: vino): VNC server for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 2.32.0-0ubuntu1.1 (maverick), package size 159 kB, installed size 512 kB17:29
ObtuseRight, weekend starts here.17:29
* Obtuse waves.17:29
screen-xthats like waving with your eyes shut ;)17:29
shaunoHazRPG: looking at it, I'm not sure I'd even try.17:34
HazRPGshauno: looking at?17:35
HazRPGoh OpenMPT17:35
HazRPGoh to port it?17:38
HazRPGall the libraries exist in linux though - in fact a majority of them are based on them17:38
HazRPGwould be an interesting project if others would help17:39
HazRPGcurrently messing around with it in wine at the moment17:39
HazRPGnot sure if I like it compared to GoatTracker - it is nice having a full gui though17:39
shaunohttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/Protracker.gif   that's not a full gui?17:40
HazRPGshauno: oh, well technically they all do17:41
HazRPGI like the idea of having a file tree, and tabs for each section though17:41
HazRPGheh, if I'm honest I'm looking for something that's simpler in all honesty17:42
HazRPGplus from what I can see with OpenMPT you can take out instruments and wave tables out of existing projects and place them into your project with ease17:47
HazRPGobviously I get that I should really be making them myself (and I do like the GoatTracker interface as a whole) - its just nicer to see something I'm more use to17:47
HazRPGif I'd actually understood trackers back when I was 10, I probably would have a different take on this17:48
* HazRPG remembers owning a tracker for his GB but didn't know how to use it, due to lack of manuals17:48
HazRPGand didn't really have internet then17:48
ali1234goattracker is all about SID17:50
* HazRPG can see that my comments will probably anger some purists and others who prefer them in their old-school way17:50
ali1234you can fit all the SID registers on the screen at once17:50
HazRPGali1234: yeah, I do like that :)17:50
ali1234there's no samples or anything like that17:50
HazRPGlike I said I like the GoatTracker interface17:50
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ali1234openmpt is more like a full sequencer17:51
ali1234which is a much bigger scope17:51
HazRPGali1234: I guess, but it does depend what format you want to produce in17:52
ali1234most people would want to produce wav/mp317:52
HazRPGali1234: true17:53
HazRPGkinda what I want to go with, but I'd like to be able to say I produced them - hopefully from scratch - but the learning curve is killing me lol17:54
HazRPGI do want to make some old-school music like this for my game project :)17:54
screen-xshauno: how are the tests looking...?17:56
HazRPGali1234: I use to use Music Maker on the PSX several years ago, but the problem with that is that the samples are copyrighted, plus you were limited to what they gave you17:56
shauno20 mins away17:56
HazRPGali1234: I like the idea of trackers, because you can make them up as you go along, and your only limitation is that of hardware its based off17:57
screen-xok, well hopefully you won't have to stay any later..17:57
screen-x\o all17:57
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shaunoI kinda don't mind when we do.  because it's not ours to fix.17:57
shaunojust sit around earning overtime while someone in the US panics17:58
HazRPGdo you guys work together?17:58
shaunoI hope not17:58
* HazRPG would like to know ali1234 opinions on trackers/sequencers17:59
ali1234nobody uses them, this is how music is made today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU5Dn-WaElI17:59
HazRPGali1234: oh, I've done that before18:00
HazRPGI prefer the old-school sound of SIDs18:02
ali1234so make a baseline, sample it, add the rest with something else18:04
ali1234jus SID alone isn't really enough18:04
ali1234anyway, afk18:04
* daubers kicks his stupid router18:10
daubersan hour and a half trying to work out why my networking tool wasn't working, just to discover the bloody router treats wired/wireless as 2 different broadcast domains18:11
HazRPGdaubers: heh18:12
* shauno drums fingers18:15
shaunoand outta here18:16
* MartijnV1S listens to the weirdest program on Dutch radio18:17
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knightdroidjust punched up connectbot on the droid18:25
knightdroidpretty cool stuff over ssh18:25
Myrttifor irssi usage?18:25
Myrttitry irssi connectbot instead then ;-)18:25
MartijnVdSworks fine on my n1 as well18:25
knightdroidwhats the difference between the two ?18:26
MartijnVdSn1 is a Nexus One18:26
MartijnVdSoh "Connectbot Irssi" has some irssi hotkeys18:26
* knightdroid is on a desire hd18:26
MartijnVdSbut it's not up to date18:26
MartijnVdSit doesn't support some connectbot features (pubkeys, I think, being one)18:27
knightdroidill take a peek18:27
Myrttichanging windows is easier, scrolling the buffer is easier18:27
knightdroidconnectbot +byobu   bliss18:27
knightdroidlike having a terminal server :b18:28
knightdroidhmm howto tab in connrctbot ...18:38
rysin3_Which command starts the veno server? Since it doesn't start up on boot.18:45
AlanBellit should be in the menu18:45
rysin3_It's not. It's a ubuntu variant.18:46
AlanBellsystem-preferences-remote desktop or something18:46
rysin3_I can start it by using the command veno-preferences but this brings up a dialog.18:46
rysin3_and seems to start the server18:46
rysin3_is there a command to just simply start the server and not display the dialog?18:47
AlanBell/usr/lib/vino/vino-server &18:48
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AlanBellor sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop :)18:48
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rysin3_ok thanks :)18:49
AlanBellSaturday 16th sneaks into the lead http://doodle.com/eucwzx2qdiiiqs5p19:02
ubuntuuk-planet[Jo Shields] Protip: parallel-installing Mono versions in an APT-happy way - http://apebox.org/wordpress/linux/370/19:07
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HazRPGI got pizza :)19:36
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HazRPGMyrtti: win \o/19:43
* HazRPG wishes he had pistachios now :(19:43
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nigelbAlanChicken: ping around?19:45
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AlanChickennigelb: hang on, I will de-chicken myself19:54
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nigelbAlanBell: could you join #ubuntu-classroom-backstage for better coordination? :)19:55
Azelphurali1234: my minecraft server is public now :D19:56
HazRPGAlanBell: I think I read earlier you setup mumble?19:57
HazRPGAlanBell: its really easy to do :)19:57
HazRPGas you'll probably have noticed19:57
AlanBellyup, got it working very easy19:57
AlanBellI increased the allowable bandwidth to have higher quality client connections19:58
HazRPGthing is, you've got to make sure when your customising the options is to take into consideration you bandwidth limits, and how many will be connecting to it19:58
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HazRPGAlanBell: what did you set it to?19:58
AlanBellon the server 100000019:59
AlanBellclients don't go that high though19:59
HazRPGAlanBell: depends, people can set their clients individually19:59
Nafallowhat unit is that? :-)20:00
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HazRPGI mean I have my client sent to 100.8Kbps20:00
AlanBellNafallo: bits per second I think20:00
AlanBellmumble.libertus.co.uk if you want to pile on and have a chat20:00
HazRPGAlanBell: I doubt you'll need your setting that high either20:00
HazRPGmy server is set to 560Kbps20:01
HazRPGeveryone connecting is roughly 70-100Kbps20:01
HazRPGmost I've seen at once was something like 7 users20:01
HazRPGso everyone was being scaled down20:02
Nafallosounds like you'll run out of other resources before bandwidth :-P20:02
HazRPGand even then it sounded perfect20:02
AlanBellNafallo: I would be astonished if that server ran out of anything20:03
HazRPGhmm doubtful20:03
AlanBellit is a VM, but I can give it 24GB and 12 cores if I want20:03
HazRPGeven if you had 100 users on it, it won't waste too much resources20:04
HazRPGI've noticed mumble seems to be pretty light-weight20:04
HazRPGactually wait I was doing the math wrong, yeah ~976Kbps as you've set it should be fine20:07
HazRPGthat would allow for 14 users at full default client settings20:08
HazRPGso even 28 users at half, won't notice any problems20:09
DavieyAlanBell, if you are using KVM you could try giving it 1024 cores :)20:09
AlanBellDaviey: cool! didn't know I could overcore it20:09
HazRPGthe problems would only lie if you had >42 users20:10
DavieyUseless, but nice feature20:10
HazRPGignore me lol, I just like numbers20:10
AlanBellisn't that per-client limit?20:11
HazRPGAlanBell: hmm?20:11
HazRPGAlanBell: The server scales connecting users down20:11
HazRPGso with your settings if you have 42 users on at once, they'll all be scaled down by a 1/320:12
DavieyAlanBell, 42 is the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Servers, the Clouds, and Everything20:12
AlanBellhmm, best increase it then20:12
HazRPGdefault client setting is ~75Kbps20:12
HazRPGjust for your math20:13
HazRPGso 76800*n20:13
HazRPGwhere n = users20:13
HazRPGif you want them all connected at normal bandwidth each20:13
HazRPGlike I said, scaling doesn't have any side effects20:14
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HazRPGI've had a user actually set their client down to 35Kbps because they were experiencing mega latency issues in Egypt as a whole (during the internet ban-hammer)20:14
HazRPGso he was connected at 35Kbps, and everyone else at 75Kbps... but his voice was still crystal clear20:15
HazRPGand he said we sounded perfect to him20:15
HazRPGwhich is why I always factor in 1/2 or 1/3 scale-down from the default client value20:16
HazRPGsince those perform fine, but after 1/3 ... voices start to sound computerised20:16
HazRPGlet me know if I'm boring you btw... lol20:17
HazRPGbecause I'll stop if I am20:17
HazRPGif bandwidth is an issue (for those interested), its best to do your calculations as (76800*n)/220:18
HazRPGwhere 76800 = default client value, n = users, and 2 = scale-down of 1/220:19
shaunoI don't think speex goes past 44k.  so twice that for two directions, and you've got absolute max20:19
HazRPGif that still seems too much change the 2 to a 320:19
nperryAnyone got an idea on how to debug compiz?20:20
nperryFollowing the bugs wiki doesn't work :(20:20
gordnperry, does this not work? gdb --args compiz --replace20:20
HazRPGshauno: which is why I'm saying 1/2 or 1/3 scale-down is fine20:20
nperrygord: Feck! Forgot all about gdb!20:21
HazRPGshauno: the main reason I think mumble has more then 44k is to factor in latency20:21
HazRPGI could be wrong...20:23
AlanBellHazRPG: want to connect to my server and see if it sounds OK?20:30
HazRPGAlanBell: sure :)20:30
AlanBellsounded a bit crap with daubers earlier20:30
HazRPGdefault port?20:31
HazRPGyeah, those settings should be fine20:37
HazRPGhave fun :)20:38
* AlanBell -> pub20:40
HazRPGAlanBell: \o/20:40
* HazRPG goes back to his other mumble server20:40
HazRPGAlanBell: heh, they say gratz on getting it setup ^,^20:40
HazRPGwish I could get milkytracker to produce sound >_<20:41
HazRPGat least with GoatTracker I could20:41
HazRPGmust be doing something wrong here20:42
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shaunokinda quiet tonight21:13
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nperryLets all do a barrel roll..21:17
popeythat makes me think i should play 194221:17
daubersnperry: Far too much Lylat Wars for you!21:18
nperryco worker had it on his android...21:19
nperrydidn't do much work today tbh21:19
nucc1i'm curious, just saw R. Moya's blog post. Is the only way to get Gnome3 in ubuntu 11.04 through a PPA?21:20
daubersUrgh, looks like I mmight be in next weeks Hairy Bikers episode21:21
nperrynucc1: At the moment yes, it was in the repos back during alpha 121:21
nperrynucc1: can't remember the reason for pulling.. it should be back21:22
nucc1nperry, i sincerely hope it comes back at some point before release21:22
nperrynucc1: There is a post explaining on ubuntu forums, in the natty section.. but it was closed due to trolling..21:22
nucc1i can imagine :p21:23
dauberssome library conflict wasn't there?21:23
nperryheaven forbid something breaking unity iirc.21:23
daubersI've only had 1 major fail in Unity this week21:24
daubersIt's really growing on me now too.21:24
nperryFor some reason window decorations dont work on unmaximized gnome-terminal21:25
nucc1i've been relying on frederic crozat's usb image21:25
dutchiesilly banshee21:25
nucc1i'm won by it.21:25
dutchieseems to be incapable of picking up the metadata for these cds21:25
nperrydaubers: its useable, but I do like gnome321:25
daubersnperry: Oh, I wouldn't have noticed that. Use terminator these days21:26
nucc1nperry, it may be a PPA only in the end: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-January/002740.html21:26
nucc1fingers crossed though. hope it works well, like official packages.21:27
dauberssounds like a relativley sensible engineering decision21:28
nperrynucc1: must of missed that some how.. by bad.21:28
nperrynucc1: tbh, if its not stable I would rather it not be in the repo at launch..21:28
nucc1daubers, it is sensible engineering decision, but one does feel sad at seeing it start falling down the priority list.21:29
nperryIt wouldn't go down very well....never does once people get in a bad mood about ubuntu21:29
daubersnucc1: Can't do everything. Lots of things I wanted to do have fallen by the wayside in recent years.21:30
nucc1daubers, perfectly understood. i'm just speaking as someone who prefers Gnome3. I'm not really trying to blame anyone. In the worst case, I'd have to switch distros. But that's not a bridge I've arrived at yet.21:32
nperryAll this gnome shell talk is making me want to try it21:32
nperryTime to install again21:32
nucc1nperry, try the live usb image http://gnome3.org/tryit.html21:33
nucc1it works quite well, one could use it for work.21:33
daubersnucc1: Someone'll probably package up Ubuntu with gnome3 instead of Unity at some point21:34
nucc1seems like the linuxmint guys plan to.21:34
nucc1and since it's based on ubuntu, it might make a very good candidate.21:34
gordunity is in all out bugfix mode now that we passed feature freeze, gonna rock :)21:34
nperrynucc1: I would but I live in the country side would take me 40mins to download21:35
gordlinuxmint switched away from ubuntu didn't they?21:36
gordto debian21:36
nucc1nperry, lol.21:36
nucc1gord, they have both debian and ubuntu based branches21:36
nucc1i think so, last i checked (january)21:36
nucc1the debian one is based on testing, so it's like a rolling realease thing21:36
gordhehe, i'm gonna go change the default windows theme on an install to green one and claim thats linux mint windows branch21:36
nucc1incidentally, i don't fancy green themes :p21:37
gordno, me either, my computer is a computer not a plant21:37
nucc1i love the dark greys21:37
nperryhaha, watching benidorm..."twiiter is like email, just a little bit hit or miss"21:37
nucc1nperry, what "up to" speed is your connection quoted as? :d21:38
nperrynucc1: they don't quote one21:40
dutchieok, banshee has actually gone crazy21:40
MartijnVdSit does that21:41
nperrynucc1: the local exchange only serves 200 people21:41
MartijnVdS(a lot for me)21:41
nperryand thats 5 miles away :/21:41
gordbanshee is geeeenerally okay for me, unless i try to play video21:41
gordwhich is a shame, i would love to play video with it21:41
dutchieit does seem to have got extraordinarily buggy over the last week21:41
daubersVideo never works in banshee21:41
daubersfor me anyway21:41
nperrythats waht vlc is for21:41
gordi can play one video, but after that no21:41
nucc1nperry, at least in the country side, you can play loud music without disturbing the entire block :p21:41
daubersnperry: mplayer ftw21:41
nucc1daubers, nperry mplayer/vlc to me are at feature parity. chosing either of the two might as well be left to a coin toss21:42
nucc1personally, i use gnome-mplayer, because i hate seeing QT apps on my desktop ;)21:42
nucc1they look too out of place21:43
nperrynucc1: funny you should say that... http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150224954625413&set=t.630452757&theater this is what we had last summer21:43
Baikonuri don't think i have any qt apps21:43
nperrynucc1: going to setup something bigger this year21:43
nucc1nperry, you're cheating!!!!!21:43
nucc1i'd give up my superfast cable internet for that, anyday :)21:43
nucc1i can't even turn up my tiny logitechs without feeling guilt.21:44
nperryplus if you walk 5mins through the woods behind you end up in longleat :/21:44
nperrywe left the speakers on, drove for about 2 miles and could still hear the music clear enough to say who it was.21:45
nperryWe're at the top of the village so it passes over the people in the valley21:47
dutchiei ought to report this bug21:47
dutchiebut it is just too weird21:47
dutchieand there are too many too confusingly interlinked21:47
nperryThankfully I'm a moc user.21:49
nperrymusic on console21:49
nperry!info moc21:49
lubotu3`moc (source: moc): ncurses based console audio player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.5.0~alpha4+svn20091009-1build4 (maverick), package size 219 kB, installed size 644 kB21:49
dutchiei liked banshee when it worked21:50
HazRPGah ha! Cracked the speed table mystery! Woo!21:53
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HazRPGshauno: you about?22:33
MooDoonot many people want to be team leader then :)22:40
MooDoodon't want it yourself again popey ?22:41
popeywell given I'm already on the CC, LoCo Council, EMEA RMB.. I thought we might find someone else22:42
* cbx33 is pretty darn happy today22:42
MooDoowell at this rate, looks like Alan has it in the bag :D22:43
cbx33someone forked my GITT project and started proofing it22:43
popeycbx33: hey hey, hows things?22:43
cbx33yeh great popey22:43
cbx33the bok is starting to gain a little traction22:44
nucc1cbx33, thank Og Maciel :p22:46
cbx33Og is a very good friend of mine22:46
cbx33you are right it is pretty much all down to him :)22:46
nucc1once again proves that good ideas don't sell themselves22:47
cbx33not that I'm saying it IS a good idea22:47
cbx33but I think it'll be interesting to see how far I can take it22:48
nucc1a "git for humans" type book should be a helpful thing to have :)22:52
dutchiecbx33: that's yours?22:53
dutchiei did download it and was going to do a bit of proofreading myself :)22:53
cbx33dutchie, awesome22:55
cbx33yup that's mine22:55
hamitronevening all22:55
cbx33feel free to proof, add, modify etc :)22:55
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nucc1cbx33, a "two thumbs up" is the best contribution i can make at the moment :p23:20
HazRPGam I missing something?23:28
HazRPGgit for humans  book?23:28
nucc1HazRPG, https://github.com/cbx33/gitt23:30
nucc1can send you a pdf if you prefer :p23:31
HazRPGcalibre should be able to parse the LaTex shouldn't it23:31
nucc1i wouldn't know...23:32
dutchieHazRPG: i'd be surprised...23:32
nucc1HazRPG, its easy enough to make a pdf. just clone the repo, and then run "make" in the gitt directory.23:34
nucc1simple enough, but arguably requires the human to know how to check out a git repository, and then know that they need to run "make".23:34
nucc1a chicken and egg problem.23:34
nucc1but, then again, one can argue that there always need to be minimum standards :)23:34
HazRPGnucc1: hmm, github does have a download button too though ^.^23:35
HazRPGmake I can do though23:36
HazRPGjust never used git or svn without a GUI before23:37
nucc1HazRPG, lol. my mind. it's playing tricks on me. I don't think i've ever noticed it :p23:37
* HazRPG did checkout mangos from github using TortoiseGit23:37
* nucc1 wonders about tortoises and mangoes.23:37
HazRPGnucc1: might be cos you've never needed to look for it ;)23:37
nucc1the name of the site kind of sets my mind into assuming that i need to git clone :p, and the display of the clone url in an ostensible place worsens it23:38
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cbx33nucc1, agreed on the minimum standard problem23:40
HazRPGapparently I need pdflatex, and its not in apt-get23:40
HazRPGas far as I can see at least23:40
cbx33arguably this is not the "final" method of distrubution though23:40
nucc1HazRPG, you need latex tools. just install tetex-live? or so23:41
nucc1HazRPG, i don't know how i got mine, i installed lyx.23:41
cbx33HazRPG, yeh, it's not the package itself23:41
cbx33maybe Ishould change thewording23:41
cbx33I didn't wantto make it distro specific instructions23:41
cbx33as I said....at the moment, most of the people "getting" the book i would expect to be wanting to do some preproofing - or deving23:42
nucc1cbx33, it makes sense to include ubuntu instructions. that's the most popular distro.23:42
cbx33when i come to release it...it'll be PDF23:42
nucc1if you like, you can use the 3 most popular distros.23:42
cbx33and or buy it on some site23:42
cbx33good plan23:42
cbx33nucc1, I'll sort that out tomorrow23:42
cbx33gotta catch some sleep now23:43
nucc1sure thing.23:43
HazRPGnucc1, cbx33: ah23:43
HazRPGcbx33: later dude23:43
cbx33but thanks for the support guys23:43
HazRPGif I notice anything, what would you prefer me to do?23:43
cbx33fork on github23:43
nucc1cbx33, you're the one breaking your back :) he he23:43
HazRPGcbx33: sure :)23:44
cbx33HazRPG, there is also the html included in the repo23:44
cbx33but if you're going to edit - the LaTeX docs would be most helpful23:44
cbx33thanks so much guys :) - I hope to do some more "writing" tomorrow instead of admin :)23:45
cbx33peace out dude23:45
|Dreams|annyone tried new virgin super hub aka super shite?23:55
nucc1|Dreams|, what the heck is that?23:57
|Dreams|Viegin media knocking out new modem/router in one bag of shite23:58
|Dreams|dear my typos23:58
|Dreams|virgin media**23:58
* HazRPG downloading texlive23:58
|Dreams|horrible piece of tech23:59
|Dreams|wireless is rubbish, no advanced functions like dd-wrt23:59
nucc1is it a forced upgrade?23:59

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