[00:00] <hamitron> I know technically I am wrong doing so, but I see no problem with me downloading the pdf of a book, if I have bought a hard copy
[00:00] <HazRPG> gord: calibre can do that though can't it?
[00:00] <gord> oh also, just an aside, but someone made a text adventure game interpreter for the kindle too, so you can play zork on it..
[00:00] <dutchie> Internet! What licence should I use for something like http://j.mp/gBGHgW? MIT? BSD? WTFPL? Something else?
[00:01] <ali1234> calibre can't run on a black and white tablet with weeks and weeks of battery life
[00:01] <gord> HazRPG, it can, but that requires hooking up my kindle to the usb, honestly, i forget to do that or its a pain or whatever. its just nice to sit down and open my kindle and see the latest news
[00:01] <HazRPG> gord: haha nice
[00:01] <gord> ali1234, calibre is something you run on your desktop, not your kindle/whatever
[00:01] <brobostigon> nos da everyone, sleep well
[00:01] <ali1234> what's the point of that? i want the books on the tablet, not the desktop
[00:02] <ali1234> yeah yeah, obtuse etc
[00:02] <gord> because it syncs to your kindle...
[00:02] <HazRPG> brobostigon: night dude :)
[00:02] <ali1234> well i agree with you. just download the stuff directly on the kindle
[00:02] <HazRPG> brobostigon: sleep well
[00:02] <ali1234> i hate syncing stuff, it takes forever, i can never find the cable, blah blah
[00:02] <brobostigon> HazRPG: good night, sleep well. :)
[00:03] <gord> it can also send an email with the books/content to your @amazon.co.uk email address, anything you send to that amazon converts and puts on your kindle
[00:03] <gord> costs you money though
[00:03] <hamitron> all cost :/
[00:03] <ali1234> considering the size of a ebook, and the size of memory cards, and the speed of 3g, there is absolutely no reason to ever "sync" with your desktop
[00:03] <HazRPG> ali1234: heh I have 2 usb cables constantly hooked to the back of my PC, so that I can either charge my phone or other devices; or for syncing data
[00:04] <gord> ali1234, i don't follow that reasoning
[00:04] <gord> are you suggesting you get all the content through the kindle browser? because thats a pain to use
[00:04] <HazRPG> ali1234: also, calibre can turn any site's feed into an ebook for use on your ebook reader
[00:04] <ali1234> yes
[00:04] <hamitron> I see no point in using 3G when you have WIFI ;)
[00:05] <gord> i would rather get the stuff on my desktop, sync it to my kindle than use the kindle browser thanks
[00:05] <ali1234> ereaders are not for reading RSS or anything like that
[00:05] <ali1234> they are for reading books
[00:05] <ali1234> average novel = what, 15kb?
[00:05] <gord> mine is for reading rss and things like that
[00:05] <hamitron> tv's are for reading RSS
[00:05] <hamitron> ;)
[00:06] <gord> amazon thinks so too, thats why you can subscribe to rss converted things
[00:06] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Pope] Ubuntu UK LoCo Team Leader Sought - http://popey.com/blog/2011/03/03/ubuntu-uk-loco-team-leader-sought/
[00:06] <ali1234> can you use a kindle without an amazon account?
[00:06]  * hamitron would hope you can upload pdf directly
[00:07] <hamitron> or not?
[00:07] <HazRPG> see personally if there's a decent way to do it, I'd probably hook my calibre folder to a section on my site so I can just download the stuff I want as and when
[00:07] <gord> when you buy a kindle from amazon it comes pre-setup with your account, i have no idea about if you buy one in a shop
[00:07] <HazRPG> gord: can you buy kindle's from a shop?
[00:08] <HazRPG> I was looking in waterstones the other day and I couldn't see any
[00:08] <gord> you can in the US see them everywhere, no idea bout the UK
[00:09] <HazRPG> gord: I'm sure you can unlink your account though
[00:10] <HazRPG> :( the auto-accept chat perl script I got for pidgin doesn't work :(
[00:11] <hamitron> my pidgin is acting ghey too
[00:11] <hamitron> feezes with xfire addon :/
[00:11] <hamitron> freezes*
[00:12] <hamitron> not on windows though ;/
[00:12] <ali1234> what do you guys think about this: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-March/003653.html
[00:13] <hamitron> imo you want smaller than average margins
[00:14] <gord> "It seems logical to say that PDFs should map 1:1 to the "virtual" pages of the reader software, while the other formats would have to have this format imposed (no pun intended) upon them when they are loaded." <-- ... what pun?
[00:15] <ali1234> gord: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imposition
[00:15] <gord> thats still not a pun :(
[00:16] <hamitron> I don't see a need to dictate how many pages you view at once either
[00:16] <hamitron> why not have that in settings? ;/
[00:17] <ali1234> mainly because it drastically increases the complexity of the software
[00:17] <hamitron> bit of a bugger if you are reading a book with a diagram spread across 2 pages
[00:17] <ali1234> right, but like i said, novels only
[00:18] <hamitron> apart from the margins, I wouldn't care that much :/
[00:18] <HazRPG> I think calibre crops/rotates photos so that they fit on one page
[00:18] <ali1234> calibre does not follow all the rules that i set out in it's built in viewer
[00:19] <HazRPG> and pictures tend to be represented on a separate page anyways
[00:19] <HazRPG> ali1234: how so?
[00:19] <hamitron> do many novels have pictures?
[00:19] <hamitron> ;/
[00:20] <HazRPG> front cover mainly
[00:20] <hamitron> only half decent one I can think of is Food of the Gods
[00:21] <HazRPG> graphic novels are all pictures...
[00:21] <hamitron> it is mainly text :)
[00:21] <hamitron> just some rough drawings like a lab book
[00:22] <HazRPG> graphic novels?
[00:22] <hamitron> The Food of the Gods
[00:22] <HazRPG> graphic novels tend to be like comics essentially
[00:22] <HazRPG> ah
[00:23] <HazRPG> I plan to put a few mangas on my kindle when I get one
[00:24] <HazRPG> they're all black & white anyway, so its fine :)
[00:24] <gord> manga's work beautifully on kindles
[00:24] <gord> perfect size
[00:24] <directhex> meh
[00:24] <ali1234> HazRPG: it starts a new "page" for each section, but does not split sections into distinct pages
[00:24] <directhex> was disappointed when i tried on wifey's kindle
[00:24] <HazRPG> ali1234: oh yeah, I noticed that too - rather irritating
[00:24] <ali1234> also it does not have reasonable sized margins, or a decent fullscreen mode
[00:25] <HazRPG> directhex: what's your thoughts?
[00:25] <HazRPG> gord: Awesome, I thought it would be :)
[00:25]  * hamitron would get a Dell Inspiron Duo
[00:26] <hamitron> then i could use it for work also, on the move
[00:26] <ali1234> netbooks are too heavy to use as a ereader imo
[00:26]  * HazRPG not a fan of laptops for prolonged use
[00:26]  * popey hasnt used his kindle since he's welcomed ipad into his house
[00:26] <ali1234> the lenovo certainly is anyway
[00:26] <hamitron> apple whore!
[00:26]  * hamitron points to door
[00:27] <hamitron> ;)
[00:27] <popey> meh
[00:27] <ali1234> tried a duo, it's nicer construction than the lenovo but still too heavy
[00:27] <ali1234> screen is very wobbly on the lenovo due to the hinge they used
[00:27] <hamitron> ali1234: I am not weak and feable ;)
[00:28] <hamitron> all these "heavy" comments just sound lazy imo
[00:28] <gord> grr stupid ethernet over power, acting up lately. fustrating!
[00:28] <hamitron> :/
[00:28] <gord> can't even stream SD content today
[00:28] <hamitron> welcome to my world \o/
[00:29] <HazRPG> *cringe*
[00:29] <gord> your world sucks and i want no part in it.
[00:29] <hamitron> yeh :)
[00:29] <HazRPG> ethernet over power just seems like a bad idea
[00:29] <ali1234> well the ideapad weighs about 3 times what an ipad weighs...
[00:29] <gord> when it works, it works fine
[00:29] <gord> way more stable than wifi too
[00:30] <hamitron> is it not better to use ethernet for data, and main power for power?
[00:30]  * HazRPG too much of a security/privacy whore
[00:30] <ali1234> just switch to power over ethernet :)
[00:30] <ali1234> i'm sure cat5 can handle 240VAC right?
[00:30] <gord> some of us don't want ethernat cables all over their house
[00:30] <gord> power can be used for both power and communication, so why not
[00:30] <hamitron> rip up the floors
[00:30] <hamitron> suppose :)
[00:31] <ali1234> right, the only reason i don't use ethernet over power is it's too expensive and no standards
[00:31] <HazRPG> communication is essentially power...
[00:31] <hamitron> is power over ethernet any good?
[00:31] <ali1234> if i was rich with a nice house it would be a different story
[00:31] <ali1234> because wifi sucks for reliability
[00:31] <hamitron> ethernet cost me £35
[00:32] <hamitron> including all fittings
[00:32] <ali1234> power over ethernet isn't meant to run your whole computer, just a WAP or something
[00:32] <HazRPG> see, I'm going to be doing a project to get ethernet ports around my house at some point when I get the time to map things out
[00:32] <hamitron> HazRPG: best thing I did
[00:32] <hamitron> :)
[00:33] <hamitron> for me it was £35 for ethernet, or £300 for wifi
[00:33] <gord> i know the second i did anything like that ethernet would be depreciated in favour of something else
[00:33] <hamitron> been a cheap ass, I went for the first
[00:33] <HazRPG> if I can, I'm going to try and run the cabling under the floors (i.e. back of the wall and down) if I can... if not then just the good ol' wire around the walls and doors :)
[00:33] <hamitron> I used loft space for most
[00:34] <ali1234> just because it's deprecated does not mean you have to stop using it. unless you are an apple user.
[00:34] <hamitron> :D
[00:34] <HazRPG> gord: ethernet will never be properly depreciated, unless fibre-optics gets cheap enough for everyone to be able to use it
[00:35] <hamitron> I only have cat5e :(
[00:35] <HazRPG> hamitron: cat5e is perfectly fine dude
[00:35] <HazRPG> hamitron: cat6 is still way too expensive compared to cat5e
[00:35] <hamitron> I didn't know of cat6 at the time
[00:36] <hamitron> was it around 9 years ago?
[00:38] <gord> cat7 was created in 2002, so i would say so
[00:38] <HazRPG> well I priced it out, for a roll of 100m cat6 was like £30, but for a roll of 300m cat5e was £24
[00:39] <gord> oh wait maybe i read wikipedia wrong
[00:39] <hamitron> gord: I didn't research it properly, I just looked at what I could buy :)
[00:39] <hamitron> it was very much coax vs cat5 vs cat5e
[00:39] <gord> hamitron, as would i! you just peaked my interest so i started reading the pedia's
[00:39] <hamitron> wicked
[00:40] <hamitron> :)
[00:40] <HazRPG> cat6a was defined in 2008
[00:40] <hamitron> so now I waste the time of others as well as myself \o/
[00:41] <hamitron> I was never sure if to fit shielded or unshielded
[00:42] <hamitron> I went for unshielded eventually
[00:42] <HazRPG> gord: hmm, I'm pretty sure cat7 hasn't been around that long
[00:45] <hamitron> time for my daily gaming fix I think
[00:45] <hamitron> :)
[00:45] <HazRPG> hamitron: ooo, what you planning on playing?
[00:45] <hamitron> minecraft
[00:45] <hamitron> haha
[00:45] <HazRPG> :P
[00:47] <HazRPG> as far as I know cat6 and cat6a/e are pretty much similar to 802.11n - hard to find TRUE versions and not just the drafted ones
[01:10] <hamitron> 1Gbps sounds fast enough for me
[01:46] <szymon_g> hi
[01:47] <Azelphur> hello fellow night lurker :P
[01:48] <szymon_g> :) night is so early so far... it's time for coffee :P
[01:49]  * szymon_g is listening to: Various Artists - Master of Celebration - Clean
[02:14] <HazRPG> woot! http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/music/c64/Tune1-v0.1.sid
[02:16] <szymon_g> whats that?
[02:19] <hamitron> muhahhahahaha
[02:19] <hamitron> ordered my new comp bits
[02:19] <hamitron> :)
[02:19] <HazRPG> szymon_g: song I'm working on ^^
[02:19] <HazRPG> go hamitron!
[02:19]  * HazRPG makes transformers sound
[02:20] <hamitron> gonna be weird with plenty of RAM
[02:20] <szymon_g> how much will you get?
[02:20] <hamitron> I normally skimp on memory on an upgrade, but maxed out the motherboard this time
[02:21] <hamitron> 8Gb
[02:21] <szymon_g> nice. is it 2x4gb or 4x2?
[02:21] <hamitron> 2x4gb
[02:21] <szymon_g> ddr2 or ddr3?
[02:21] <hamitron> ddr3
[02:21] <hamitron> it is an ITX motherboard
[02:21] <hamitron> :)
[02:21] <szymon_g> ah, nice. i had 4x2gb, but faulty mobo made one of them unusable
[02:22] <szymon_g> oh, thatx to small. size matters after all ;)
[02:22] <szymon_g> *that's
[02:22] <hamitron> haha
[02:22] <hamitron> well, this is sort of a temp upgrade for gaming atm
[02:22] <hamitron> with an i3
[02:22] <hamitron> will then later use this as a small form factor pc
[02:22] <szymon_g> sandy bridge?
[02:22] <hamitron> no
[02:23] <szymon_g> 1156 than :?
[02:23] <hamitron> yep
[02:23] <szymon_g> well... good choice (till new mobos /with fixed chipset/ will be out)
[02:23] <hamitron> yeh
[02:23] <szymon_g> *new mobos = SB
[02:24] <hamitron> but tbh, no point in waiting for Sandybridge for itx
[02:24] <HazRPG> indeed
[02:24] <hamitron> most of the boards won't take the i5
[02:24] <HazRPG> szymon_g: did you download that sid file I uploaded?
[02:25] <hamitron> i3 is a little better ofc, but I want something now ;)
[02:25] <szymon_g> HazRPG : yes, but, to be honest, i have no idea how to open it. i'm running windows now :)
[02:26] <hamitron> :)
[02:26] <szymon_g> any chance for mp3/ogg or anything like that :)?
[02:26] <hamitron> do either of you 2 game on 64 bit?
[02:26] <szymon_g> hamitron : windows or linux?
[02:26] <hamitron> windows
[02:26]  * szymon_g (a bit)
[02:27] <hamitron> do older games work?
[02:27] <directhex> you can mostly game on 64-bit windows
[02:27] <directhex> as long as you don't want to play any games from a specific era between around 1995 and 1998
[02:27] <szymon_g> depending how old. if they use 16 bit stuff- than not
[02:27] <szymon_g> (i.e. not without emulation)
[02:27] <hamitron> atm I have 2 gaming rigs, 1 with win98 and other with xp
[02:27] <directhex> basically, anything for windows with any 16-bit code (e.g. older installshield) cannot be touched
[02:28] <directhex> older, and you can use dosbox. newer, and there's no 16-bit
[02:28] <hamitron> it is the xp games I am wondering about
[02:28] <hamitron> :)
[02:28] <directhex> xp's only a decade old
[02:28] <szymon_g> but, to be honest- i had (so far) only one problem caused by 64bitness- when i tried to autorun a multimedia program on audio cd from 1999
[02:28] <hamitron> reason I ask, some games state they have "no support" for 64 bit
[02:28] <directhex> you're likely to have more issues with %PROGRAMFILES% rewriting than with 64-bit
[02:29] <directhex> with the exception of a few scattered titles
[02:29] <hamitron> :|
[02:29] <hamitron> I better not have wasted my time getting 64 bit ready
[02:29] <directhex> e.g. i can't get railway tycoon 3 to run. but i don't know if that's 64-bit or w7
[02:29] <hamitron> or I will go cry to MS
[02:30] <hamitron> hmmm
[02:30] <directhex> as long as it's not xp64, you shouldn't really notice the difference for post-win95 games.
[02:30] <hamitron> fingers crossed
[02:30] <hamitron> :)
[02:30] <directhex> wait
[02:30] <directhex> i just remembered one
[02:30] <directhex> codecs.
[02:30] <hamitron> ><
[02:31] <directhex> games which use weirdo video codecs, e.g. for cutscenes, might be unhappy about 64-bit
[02:31] <directhex> specifically thief 1, thief 2, and system shock 2, which all use the discontinued Indeo 5 codec
[02:31] <hamitron> if I need 3 comps lined up to play my games, I will be annoyed
[02:31] <directhex> the games run, but the cut scenes won't play
[02:31] <directhex> oh, that's the other point, you'll find games which crap themselves on a dual-core or better cpu
[02:31] <hamitron> k
[02:32] <directhex> e.g. broken sword 4
[02:32] <directhex> or thief
[02:32] <hamitron> I do have a few with intros that use that
[02:32] <szymon_g> o.O
[02:32] <directhex> you can force windows to boot single-core for those games
[02:33] <hamitron> may disable hyperthreading
[02:33] <hamitron> be interesting to see how I find it
[02:33] <directhex> i've had more games with multi-core problems, or high-clock-speed problems, than with 64-bit problems
[02:33] <hamitron> I've read mixed opinions :)
[02:34] <hamitron> :/
[02:34] <directhex> a few games are unfinishable with a fast cpu. blade runner, for example
[02:34] <hamitron> I was hoping to dedicate my 2.2ghz c2d to linux
[02:34] <hamitron> new comp to new games
[02:34] <hamitron> k6-2 500mhz to old games
[02:34] <hamitron> :)
[02:36] <directhex> i have one game that won't run on XP or higher :/
[02:36] <directhex> and one game that won't run on monitors larger than about 1650x1080
[02:37] <hamitron> I have a lot that won't run on non-9x OS
[02:37] <hamitron> and ssome are picky with widescreen
[02:38] <hamitron> omg, excited :D
[02:51] <ali1234> anyone know how many crtc the nvidia 240 has?
[02:52] <ali1234> i would guess only 2
[02:53] <hamitron> crtc?
[02:53] <ali1234> number of simultaneous outputs
[02:54] <hamitron> I'd guess 2
[03:18] <hamitron> ouuu
[03:18] <hamitron> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/124390
[03:18] <hamitron> that looks good fun and value
[03:18] <hamitron> :)
[03:19] <hamitron> if I hadn't just burnt money other stuff would get it
[03:19] <hamitron> ^on
[03:42] <hamitron> nn o/
[03:56] <HazRPG> ali1234: erm... I'm sure there's one that does 3
[05:18] <shauno> morning
[06:50] <knightwise> goooood morning everyone
[07:03] <kirrus> g'morning
[07:03] <kirrus> it's too early *grumble*
[07:03] <nigelb> morning
[07:03] <knightwise> haha ive been up for a couple of hours
[07:44] <knightwise> heyhey
[07:48] <AlanBell> morning
[07:50] <knightwise> hey AlanBell \
[07:50] <knightwise> ive got a question
[07:51] <knightwise> im using gpodder to download my podcasts
[07:51] <knightwise> i tucks every episode neatly in its own directory
[07:51] <knightwise> but im looking for a way to copy over the 2 latest episodes of every podcast to another directory
[07:52] <knightwise> I can list up the episodes of every directory using ls -rt
[07:53] <knightwise> and then pipe that output to tail-2
[07:54] <knightwise> but after that im a little lost as to how to copy over that 'selection'
[07:54] <knightwise> do you have any idea ?
[07:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> knightwise: Why dont you just write a small bash script?
[07:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> FILES2COPY=`ls -rt | tail -2`
[07:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> those are backticks, not single quotes.
[07:58] <knightwise> aaah thats where i went wrong
[07:58] <knightwise> ill try that, holdon
[07:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> or you could just pipe and pipe I guess, but IMHO a script is just as easy and you can debug it easier.
[07:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Speed doesn't seem like an essential requirement in this instance.
[07:59] <knightwise> nope
[07:59] <knightwise> i just want to copy the stuff overnight
[08:01] <knightwise> so its cp 'ls -rt | tail -2' /targetdirectory
[08:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> knightwise: That works but you need backticks.
[08:07] <knightwise> ok, ill look for backticks :)  stupid apple keyboard
[08:08] <DJones> Morning all
[08:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> On a "normal" UK kbd they are on the `¬| key (left of the 1)
[08:11] <knightwise> cp -av 'ls -rt | tail-2' /destinationfolder
[08:11] <knightwise> would that do it ( with backticks)
[08:12]  * AlanBell passes knightwise  a ` to copy
[08:12] <knightwise> thanx :)
[08:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> the -av will keep the file perms and the -v will give you vebosity
[08:13] <knightwise> im on an ipad with a bleutooth keyboard via an ssh connection
[08:13] <knightwise> i have cross platform issues ;p
[08:13] <tugrik> you should put some gloves on knightwise , just to make it more "interesting" ;)
[08:14] <knightwise> tail  options used in invalid context ?
[08:14] <knightwise> tugrik: feels like i have them on allready
[08:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Your command worked here knightwise (with `s)
[08:15] <knightwise> strange , ill try again
[08:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> alord@lobsang:~/test1$ cp `ls -rt | tail -2` ../test2
[08:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> alord@lobsang:~/test1$ ls
[08:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> file1  file2
[08:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> alord@lobsang:~/test1$ ls ../test2
[08:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> file1  file2
[08:16] <knightwise> its the backticks, ill dive into it
[08:16] <tugrik> i think you want "ls -rt --format single-column"
[08:16] <knightwise> Stupid apple keyboard .p
[08:16] <DJones> popey: You mentioned problems with Chrome yesterday, I wonder if this is anything to do with it http://blog.chromium.org/2011/03/gpu-acceleration-old-drivers.html
[08:28] <knightwise> cp -av ’ls -rt | tail -3’ /home/cardinalzero/testfolder2/
[08:28] <knightwise> tail: option used in invalid context -- 3
[08:28] <knightwise> cp: option requires an argument -- 't'
[08:28] <knightwise> thats odd  ?
[08:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Still not backticks.
[08:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> `
[08:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> not '
[08:29] <knightwise> really ? Fraxk
[08:29]  * knightwise copies TheOpenSourcerer backticks
[08:29] <AlanBell> cp -av `ls -rt | tail -3` /home/cardinalzero/testfolder2/
[08:30] <knightwise> YES !
[08:30] <knightwise> that works :)
[08:30] <knightwise> now i have one more question :)
[08:30] <knightwise> gpodder downloads the podcasts in the /podcast folder
[08:30] <AlanBell> "why did I buy a Mac?"
[08:31] <knightwise> Im running 10.10 on it !
[08:31] <knightwise> http://www.knightwise.com/kwtv-screencast/804-kwtv-0022-qubuntu-on-a-macbook-airq
[08:32] <knightwise> gpodder downloads the podcasts in /podcasts
[08:32] <AlanBell> nice :)
[08:32] <knightwise> but downloads each podcast into its own directory /podcasts/podcast1  /podcasts/podcast2 etc
[08:33] <Oli```> Damnit. Somebody deleted nvnews.net
[08:33] <knightwise> do i need to write a different line in the script for every subfolder ?
[08:34] <knightwise> or is there some kind of recursive command that can say "get the 3 most recent files in EVERY subfolder of /podcasts/* and copy those over ?
[08:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> knighwise have you tried ls -rtR ?
[08:34] <knightwise> i'll try
[08:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> You might find "find" to be a better option though.
[08:38] <daubers> Morning
[08:44] <DJones> Morning daubers
[08:46] <daubers> Hmmm, overlay scroll bars look interesting
[08:51] <daubers> Heh, when working on my mac now, i keep moving the mouse to the top left to access the dock....
[08:53] <DJones> daubers: I do things like that at work where I use XP when I go to close app's expecting the "X" to be in the top left
[09:08] <bigcalm> Greetings earthlings
[09:09] <screen-x> morning bigcalm :)
[09:10]  * DJones sets Sigourney Weaver on the alien bigcalm
[09:10] <bigcalm> Hi :)
[09:10]  * knightwise befriens bigcalm : All hail our alien overlords
[09:11]  * knightwise trades DJones Sigoury for a mega sexy wiyona 
[09:12] <bigcalm> Awww. Is this how you treat all hyperintelligent pan-dimensional beings?
[09:13]  * bigcalm squeeks
[09:13] <knightwise> nah bigcalm most of the time we blow you to bits while you're still in orbit , right DJones  ?
[09:14]  * bigcalm goes to make a mug of tea substitute
[09:14] <DJones> knightwise: Sounds about right, although rather than hyperintelligent pan-dimensional beings, I was thinking more of Star Trek tribbles :)
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> facehuggers!
[09:15] <kazade> morning all
[09:15] <knightwise> "did you take of your panties or is that a tribble ?"
[09:15]  * screen-x has a replication server called tribble :)
[09:16] <Myrtti> *rolleyes*
[09:16] <DJones> knightwise: I think thats lowering the tone of the channel a bit too much
[09:16] <knightwise> true
[09:16] <knightwise> it was a close shave
[09:16] <knightwise> i'll behave
[09:18] <directhex> rage.
[09:21] <knightwise> i think i got an answer to my recursive copy problem
[09:21] <Obtuse> Morning.
[09:22] <knightwise> but its a php script (i think) so i dont know if i can use it in a bash script
[09:22]  * screen-x sooths directhex 
[09:22] <knightwise> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10520015#post10520015
[09:22] <bigcalm> knightwise: if you have php-cli installed, you can run php from the cli :)
[09:22] <directhex> screen-x, it'll take several hundred quid to soothe this one ¬_¬
[09:22] <knightwise> ok , i'll install it :)
[09:23] <marxjohnson> just need to put #!/usr/bin/php instead of #!/bin/bash
[09:23] <screen-x> directhex: my RoK budget doesn't have that much in it unfortunately :(
[09:23] <screen-x> *RAoK
[09:24] <knightwise> /usr/bin/php: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[09:24] <Obtuse> Why is Friday traffic either so good or so bad?
[09:24] <knightwise> so sudo apt-get php ?
[09:24] <BigRedS> /usr/bin/php5
[09:24] <BigRedS> apt-get install php5-cli
[09:25] <BigRedS> the cli doesn't come with php IIRC
[09:25] <marxjohnson> indeed
[09:25] <knightwise> running it now :)
[09:25] <bigcalm> Which is why I said that it needs to be installed
[09:25] <bigcalm> Just forgot the 5 :)
[09:25] <bigcalm> There might be a meta package without numbers?
[09:26] <BigRedS> not in debian, I don't think in ubuntu
[09:26] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[09:27] <shauno> I think they did that intentionally because 4 & 5 can be installed concurrently
[09:27] <bigcalm> Indeed
[09:27] <BigRedS> yeah
[09:27] <BigRedS> and, more pertinently, people didn't suddenly want their php4 code failing under php5 :)
[09:28]  * bigcalm grumbles
[09:28] <marxjohnson> php5 should still be symlinked to /usr/bin/php though
[09:28] <bigcalm> I know of 3 clients' servers' still running php4
[09:29] <shauno> marxjohnson: it will be, once he's installed php5(-cli) :)
[09:29] <marxjohnson> yeah that's what I meant
[09:29] <marxjohnson> so the shebang i suggested should still work
[09:30] <marxjohnson> rather than having to do /usr/bin/php5, although that'll work too
[09:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/03/04/bsa-supporting-free-open-source-software/
[09:33] <directhex> i'll believe it when i see it
[09:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's supposed to be ironic directhex
[09:34] <directhex> ah
[09:34]  * TheOpenSourcerer fails.
[09:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-(
[09:34] <knightwise> running it now :) hmm , script doesnt seem to work :(
[09:34] <knightwise> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10520053#post10520053
[09:35] <knightwise> *tinkers on*
[09:37] <bigcalm> Does it give any errors?
[09:37] <bigcalm> Gah
[09:37] <bigcalm> That script isn't php
[09:37] <knightwise> it just gives the output
[09:37] <daubers> uh oh, mouse battery low
[09:37] <knightwise> no ?
[09:37] <directhex> so, who wants to pay for my car respray?
[09:38] <bigcalm> directhex: somebody keyed it?
[09:38] <directhex> [09:18] <directhex> rage.
[09:38] <bigcalm> Yes, but currently unknown reason for rage
[09:39] <directhex> why else would i feel a need for rage?
[09:39] <directhex> pretty obvious imho
[09:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> erm using Windows would send me into a rage.
[09:40] <knightwise> bigcalm: the script isn't php ? should i put something different at the header ?
[09:40] <shauno> knightwise: that looks like bash to me, just like what you started with
[09:40] <bigcalm> Who mentioned it being php?
[09:41] <BigRedS> 09:23 < marxjohnson> just need to put #!/usr/bin/php instead of #!/bin/bash
[09:41] <BigRedS> 09:23 < marxjohnson> just need to put #!/usr/bin/php instead of #!/bin/bash
[09:41] <BigRedS> oooh, that's sort-of like putty paste fail, but in xterm
[09:41] <BigRedS> how did I do that?
[09:42] <shauno> xterm should middle-click paste too.  putty didn't invent it for kicks and giggles :)
[09:42] <marxjohnson> BigRedS: I said that because knightwise thought it was php
[09:42] <bigcalm> *clicks and giggles ;)
[09:42] <BigRedS> ISTR putty does it wrongly, but I don't remember how/why. I know It annoyed me when I was using it...
[09:42] <marxjohnson> kightwise: looks like you'll need #!/bin/bash instead :-)
[09:43] <BigRedS> I think I just didn't notice I'd copied the carriage return
[09:43] <bigcalm> By default, putty uses right click to paste
[09:43] <shauno> ooh, so it does
[09:43] <bigcalm> It can easily be changed
[09:44] <knightwise> ./test: line 2: PODCASTS: command not found
[09:44] <knightwise> when i use #!/bin/bash
[09:45] <BigRedS> that's cause there shouldn't be spaces around the =s
[09:45] <BigRedS> in bash, a word followed by a space is expected to be a command, that line should be
[09:45] <JamesTait> Bon Vendredi à tous!
[09:45] <BigRedS> PODCASTS=/home/cardinalzero/testfolder1/*
[09:46] <knightwise> aha
[09:46] <knightwise> holdon
[09:46] <screen-x> morning JamesTait :)
[09:46] <knightwise> cp: cannot stat `f3': No such file or directory
[09:47] <knightwise> f3 is the newest file in one of the subdirectory's
[09:47] <JamesTait> Hi screen-x. :)
[09:47] <knightwise> (it says that for every 'newest' file in the subdirectories)
[09:47] <shauno> it's not using an absolute path in the copy statement
[09:48] <BigRedS> knightwise: which directory are you running that in?
[09:48] <knightwise> in the testfolder1 directory
[09:48] <knightwise> cp -av `ls $path -rt | tail -1` /home/cardinalzero/testfolder2
[09:49] <knightwise> perhaps a / behind testfolder2 ?
[09:49] <BigRedS> what're you actually doing in that script?
[09:50] <BigRedS> what's the `ls $path -rt | tail -1` for? shouldn't that be equivalent to just $path?
[09:50] <knightwise> i have a folder with podcasts (testfolder 1)
[09:50] <shauno> he wants the n newest files from each sub
[09:50] <BigRedS> ohhh
[09:50] <knightwise> inside testfolder1 there are multiple subfolders (1 for each podcast i'm subscribed to)
[09:50] <Obtuse> TheOpenSourcerer: I like your BSA page :)
[09:50] <Obtuse> (finally got to read it)
[09:50] <shauno> I think you need cp -av $path`ls $path -rt | tail -1` ....
[09:50] <knightwise> in those subfolder are several podcast files of which i would like to copy over the last episode
[09:51] <BigRedS> you need to make sure the copy-from part is a valid, relative path to the file
[09:51] <shauno> the results of 'ls $path' are returning a filename withing $path, but without giving the source path to cp
[09:51] <BigRedS> try replacing that line with
[09:51] <BigRedS> echo "cp -av `ls $path -rt | tail -1` /home/cardinalzero/testfolder2"
[09:52] <BigRedS> (which is always worth doing before running it 'for real')
[09:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> knightwise: (08:35:03) TheOpenSourcerer: You might find "find" to be a better option though.
[09:52] <BigRedS> and that. I replaced a 180ish line perl script with a four-line bash script using find the other day...
[09:53] <knightwise> YES !
[09:53] <knightwise> cd ARG
[09:53] <knightwise> No
[09:53] <knightwise> the echo is ok but the files aren( actually copied
[09:53] <knightwise>  ?
[09:53] <BigRedS> what's actually echoed?
[09:54] <knightwise> cp -av f3 /home/cardinalzero/testfolder2
[09:54] <BigRedS> does a file 'f3' exist in the directory you're in?
[09:54] <knightwise> yep
[09:54] <knightwise> it exists in testfolder1
[09:54] <knightwise> (in a subfolder of testfolder 1
[09:54] <BigRedS> it's in both?
[09:54] <shauno> the difference between 'in' and 'in a subfolder of' is very relevant
[09:55] <knightwise> wait
[09:55] <knightwise> testfolder1 has 3 subfolders and in each subfolder are 3 files
[09:55] <BigRedS> if you're copying a file from a subfolder of the one you're in, you need to tell cp which subfolder the file's in
[09:55] <knightwise> the echo shows that is selecting the "newest" file in every of those 3 subfolders
[09:55] <BigRedS> else it looks directly in the one you're in and doesn't find it
[09:56] <BigRedS>  /home/cardinalzero/testfolder1/f3 is a completely different place to /home/cardinalzero/testfolder1/somewhere/f3
[09:57] <knightwise> yeah but thats the idea
[09:57] <knightwise> so imagine 'testfolder1' is the folder where i download my podcasts into
[09:57] <BigRedS> so if you want the file that's in the in 'somewhere' subfolder, you need to tell cp to look there
[09:57] <knightwise> and gpodder makes up a subfolder in that testfolder directory for EVERY podcast i'm subscribed to
[09:58] <knightwise> so i would like the script to take the "newest episode" of every podcast (in those different subfolders) to be copied into one directory
[09:58] <BigRedS> yeah
[09:58] <BigRedS> but you're not telling cp to get it out of a subdirectory, so it's not finding it
[09:58] <BigRedS> you need to pass the subdirectory on to cp
[09:58] <BigRedS> which, as AlanBell said, is probably easier done with find, but it's quite possible to just use cp and the like
[09:58] <knightwise> so i need to make a line for EVERY subdirectory (podcast ?)
[09:58] <BigRedS> hang on
[09:59] <shauno> cp -av $path/`ls -rt $path | tail -1` /dest/path
[09:59] <BigRedS> http://pastebin.com/GxTwxwHg
[09:59] <BigRedS> ah, yeah, like that.
[09:59] <BigRedS> :)
[10:00] <shauno> I've actually no idea how I'd do that with find
[10:00] <BigRedS> hm, not the single newest file actually, no
[10:00] <shauno> newer than age or newer than a given file, sure.  but 'newest' ..
[10:01] <shauno> if he just wanted "this week's podcasts" I'd be happy with find :)
[10:01] <BigRedS> well, you could -type d then -exec a script that gets the newest file out of it
[10:01] <BigRedS> and pipe that output through sed to get a dest path
[10:02] <knightwise> :( No go unfortuantely
[10:02] <BigRedS> what happens? are you still echoing the call to cp?
[10:03] <knightwise> yep
[10:03] <knightwise> i'll paste the output
[10:03] <knightwise> holdon
[10:04] <knightwise> http://pastebin.com/3WJ6a49u
[10:05] <knightwise> cd but testfolder2 is empty :(
[10:05] <BigRedS> that's cause you're echoing the cp command *rather than* running it.
[10:05] <knightwise> aha
[10:05] <knightwise> can i RUN the command too ?
[10:05] <BigRedS> we coudl have mentioned that :)
[10:06] <BigRedS> yeah, just delete the echo and "s
[10:06] <BigRedS> since those cp calls look like they're going to work
[10:06] <shauno> is f3 actually a file?  that's not what I'd expect gpodder to name the podcast itself
[10:07] <knightwise> no , its just an example i made , gonna run it on the Gpodder directory now
[10:07] <shauno> ah ok
[10:07] <knightwise> YES ! ! !
[10:07] <knightwise> it worked !
[10:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Lord] BSA Supporting Free & Open Source Software - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/03/04/bsa-supporting-free-open-source-software/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=bsa-supporting-free-open-source-software
[10:07] <BigRedS> whoop!
[10:07] <knightwise> Thanx so much !
[10:08] <knightwise> ok , gonna try it on the podcast directory
[10:12] <BigRedS> Any mod_rewrite fiends in here?
[10:12] <BigRedS> I'm trying to do s/(.)/www.$1/ on _every_ domain to hit a vhost, and I can't work out how
[10:12] <BigRedS> but I'm sure it should be easy :)
[10:13] <knightwise> aaah SNAP !
[10:13] <knightwise> there are SPACES in the folder names of the podcasst :(
[10:13] <BigRedS> knightwise: bah :(
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: http://no-www.org/
[10:13] <knightwise> frackfrackfrack
[10:13] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: no CNAMEs for non-www
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: it has howtos :)
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: that's evil.. having www.foo.com but not foo.com
[10:14] <BigRedS> so I want to, effectively, CNAME in http
[10:14] <shauno> I'm not sure you can rewrite the hostname if the new hostname doesn't exist?
[10:14] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: It appears to be standard for aws. You cname www. to some aws instance, and just need to find someone to to http redirects on the domain itself
[10:16] <BigRedS> shauno: it does. foo.com is hosted on aws, and www.foo.com is a cname to some aws instance. I need to make visitors to foo.com also hit that instance, via the cname apparently
[10:16] <shauno> knightwise: that's an easier fix.  cp "$path/`ls -rt $path | tail -1`" /to/destination/  (the " are All New and Improved)
[10:17] <shauno> so you want 'no-www' the other way around?
[10:17] <BigRedS> shauno: well, I don't. Customer does :(
[10:18] <BigRedS> but yeah, and for arbitrary domains, so I can have him point them all at a vhost without having to faff with rewriterules
[10:18] <shauno> http://www.yes-www.org/redirection/  ;)
[10:19] <knightwise> shauno: stukk tge same errors :(
[10:19] <knightwise> waiot
[10:19] <knightwise> its another error
[10:19] <BigRedS> shauno: yeah, that's what's there at the minute. But I don't want to need to write the two instances of 'example.com'
[10:19] <knightwise> cp: missing destination file operand after `/home/SHARED/PODCASTS/Ubuntu Podcast from the UK LoCo team » mp3-high//media/Y/Music/Podcasts/'
[10:20] <BigRedS> I might just stick an index.pl that does it, though, that seems simplest
[10:20] <knightwise> nanocp: omitting directory `/home/SHARED/PODCASTS/Ubuntu Podcast from the UK LoCo team » mp3-high/'
[10:21] <knightwise> the line is used is  cp "$path/`ls -rt $path | tail -1`" /media/Y/Music/Podcasts/
[10:21] <shauno> I think that'd just be RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^(.+)$ [NC], RewriteRule ^(.*)$ http://%1/www.$1 [R=301,L]
[10:21] <shauno> assuming a different host is answering www., else you're going to need something to stop it redirecting www.example.org to www.www.example.org to www.www.www.example.org ad finitum
[10:22] <knightwise> shauno:  ? any idea ?
[10:22] <BigRedS> yeah, it is a different host. I'd not come across the '%1' thingy, cheers!
[10:22] <shauno> (or is that http://www.$1/$1 .. ugh.  can't test from here)
[10:23] <BigRedS> shauno: I'll fiddle :)
[10:23] <mungojerry> Scientific Linux 6 is released :)
[10:23] <knightwise> holdon
[10:23] <knightwise> i added -av and it appears to be working now
[10:24] <knightwise> if this works i can automate podcatching and copying (and dont have to sync in the morning before i go to work)
[10:25] <shauno> I'm surprised you can't just rsync them to the phone :)  (or ever just grab them from the phone in the first place)
[10:25] <shauno> *even.  I really need to start bringing my own keyboard to work :(
[10:25] <knightwise> i could do an rsync to instead of a cp
[10:26] <shauno> I mean over the network instead of to a mounted device :)
[10:26] <knightwise> just use rsync -avz --delete
[10:26] <directhex> mungojerry, yay? :/
[10:26] <mungojerry> directhex: yay for me :)
[10:26] <knightwise> shauno: how are you going to mount a folder on your android over samba ?
[10:26] <mungojerry> we use SL5 on desktops...it's getting long in the tooth!
[10:26] <shauno> haven't used android, but if it has ssh, rsync doesn't mind ssh
[10:27] <knightwise> hmm , i'm afraid its copying over ALL the episodes of the podcasts instead of just the latest ones
[10:27] <dutchie> any ideas for http://twitter.com/jshholland/status/43460844733988865, folks?
[10:28] <bigcalm> That page doesn't exist :)
[10:28] <dutchie> which page?
[10:28] <bigcalm> The url you pasted
[10:28] <dutchie> wfm
[10:28] <bigcalm> You added a , to the end
[10:28] <DJones> It works for me
[10:28] <knightwise> shauno: so you think i would be able to ssh into my phone aswell ?
[10:29] <BigRedS> dutchie: I vote BSD generally
[10:29] <bigcalm> Making it not work :)
[10:29] <dutchie> bigcalm: get a better url highlighter
[10:29]  * bigcalm points at x-chat
[10:29] <dutchie> BigRedS: yeah, i was leaning towards that i think
[10:29] <bigcalm> , is a valid url character
[10:29] <shauno> knightwise: I can my iphone, so I'd hope all happy & free android could too ;)
[10:29]  * DJones points bigcalm to irssi :)
[10:29] <BigRedS> I don't know why BSD over MIT, I think just general familiarity
[10:29] <BigRedS> DJones: the URL highlighting there is in the terminal emulator rather than irssi, I thought/
[10:30] <knightwise> shauno: the script almost works , its just copying over EVERY Episode instead of just the last one :(
[10:30] <DJones> BigRedS: True, puttytray didn't have a problem with it
[10:31] <screen-x> knightwise: have you come across the advanced bash scripting guide?
[10:31] <knightwise> screen-x: no :( i'm just a novice
[10:32] <screen-x> knightwise: don't need to read it all at once, but really useful for getting your head round bash.
[10:32] <popey> DJones: could be, thanks
[10:33] <knightwise> good idea screen-x
[10:33] <bigcalm> DJones: call me old fashioned, but I like a GUI when working on a desktop ;)
[10:34] <screen-x> dutchie: wtfpl, mostly because I'm feeling imature.
[10:34] <dutchie> heh
[10:34] <knightwise> just wondering why the tail -1 doesnt seem towork :(
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: why not BSD or MIT then?
[10:34] <knightwise> cp -av "$path/`ls -rt $path | tail -1`" /media/Y/Music/Podcasts/
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: they're basically wtfpl for adults
[10:35] <BigRedS> screen-x: I _really_ like that license. But I can see people disliking it because of the swearies
[10:35] <BigRedS> as in, not being allowed to use the code because the license swears at people :)
[10:36] <BigRedS> knightwise: tail -n1
[10:36] <BigRedS> I thought?
[10:36] <screen-x> The acronym needs a plausible alternative intepretation.
[10:36] <knightwise> i'll try
[10:36] <BigRedS> Oh, no, -1 should work too
[10:36] <popey> DJones: interesting, my work laptop has intel 945GM with drivers from 2006
[10:36]  * BigRedS saves several hundred characters a day
[10:36] <popey> intel has newer (2008) drivers
[10:36] <screen-x> or as MartijnVdS says, could just grow up and use BSD ;-)
[10:37] <knightwise> BigRedS: :( .. no :( it doesnt seem to see the tail command
[10:38]  * AlanBell points at -> http://doodle.com/eucwzx2qdiiiqs5p
[10:38] <DJones> popey: I was looking at something else & a link to it caught my eye and just thought it was worth mentioning
[10:38] <dutchie> hrm
[10:39] <dutchie> wonder what i should put instead of "University of California, Berkeley" for the organisation
[10:39] <knightwise> hmm its like the path comman is ok by the ls command doesnt talk to tail
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: your sentence doesn't make sense
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: (uw zin is onzin :))
[10:40] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: :)
[10:40] <knightwise> cp -av "$path/`ls -rt $path | tail -1`" /media/Y/Music/Podcasts/
[10:40] <bigcalm> Anybody see Marchlands last night?
[10:40] <knightwise> is supposed to copy the newest file from every subdir
[10:40] <knightwise> but instead it copies all of them :(
[10:40] <bigcalm> Bit of a weak ending I thought :S
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: that won't work, it'll concatenate all files into one long filename
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> hm, wait.. that SHOULD work..
[10:41] <knightwise> this is the entire script http://pastebin.com/vF98S4e5
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: what happens if you assign first?
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: FOO=`ls -rt $PATH | tail -1`
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: echo $FOO
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: then cp -av "$path/$FOO" $dest
[10:41] <knightwise> erm , whats foo ?
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> just a random name
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasyntactic_variable
[10:42] <popey> DJones: just rebooting now to update driver :)
[10:42] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: could you pump that into the pastebin ? then i'll know what to change
[10:43] <DJones> popey: Will be interesting to see if that cures the problem
[10:43] <shauno> knightwise: http://pastebin.com/NfWpH2aN
[10:43] <shauno> tried and tested with a "~/test/with spaces/one two three".  that $IFS thing is magics
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: http://pastebin.com/mvfc8pdj
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> shauno: IFS is teh scarey
[10:44] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: trying now
[10:47] <screen-x> < MartijnVdS> shauno: IFS is teh scarey <-- great quote :)
[10:47] <knightwise> MartijnVdS: :(
[10:47] <knightwise> still copying everything
[10:47] <knightwise> http://pastebin.com/T7pibVQb
[10:48] <shauno> it's the 'path in PODCASTS' bit that breaks, if a folder has spaces in it's name.  the IFS scaries tell it spaces don't matter, newlines do
[10:48] <knightwise> IFS=$'\t\n'
[10:48] <knightwise> i added this !
[10:48] <shauno> (well, they matter, but they don't separate)
[10:48] <knightwise> and now it seems to work
[10:48] <knightwise> its only copying one file
[10:49] <knightwise> YEP
[10:49] <knightwise> Thats it !
[10:52] <knightwise> next step i'll try with Rsync :) that will speed up copy times
[10:53] <BigRedS> it shouldn't do
[10:53] <BigRedS> I'd expect the files to not change, so you'd always be copying the entire file
[10:54] <BigRedS> er, the filenames to not change
[10:54] <knightwise> true but you wouldnt be copying over episodes that aren't "new"
[10:54] <shauno> it'd probably make a difference if not every podcast has updated
[10:54] <knightwise> shauno: Exactly
[10:54] <BigRedS> ahh yeah
[10:55] <knightwise> all i do now is put the script on my SDcard on my phone and have crontab open it there
[10:55] <shauno> cp -n would do the same thing tho (--no-clobber)
[10:55] <knightwise> that way the script wont run if my phone is not connected
[10:55] <knightwise> shauno: so just cp -avn ?
[10:55] <shauno> yeah
[10:55] <knightwise> ah k :) then we"ll tweak that too :)
[10:56] <shauno> that'll just stop it copying if the destination file already exists
[10:56] <knightwise> wicked
[10:56] <shauno> likely won't make a lot of difference if you're asleep when cron runs anyway :)
[10:57] <knightwise> shauno: thats also true
[10:57] <knightwise> cron runs at 5am
[10:57] <knightwise> i get up at 5.30
[10:57] <knightwise> I do have to watch out for the fact that it copies over the episode that was DOWNLOADED the last
[10:57] <screen-x> wut! when do you go to bed?
[10:57] <knightwise> not aired the last :)
[10:58] <knightwise> for example i downloaded some old(er) episodes in the feeds too
[10:58] <knightwise> and now it sees those older ones as 'new ones' :)
[10:58] <shauno> you'll also eventually want something to remove previous espisodes from the sdcard ....
[10:59] <knightwise> shauno: i think i'll use a command that throws out files older then a week
[10:59] <knightwise> or just delete the entire SD directory and run the command
[10:59] <knightwise> that would be the cleanest option
[11:00] <screen-x> knightwise: so what you really need to do is get the pub date from the metadata, build an index, and select the newest episodes. Or just use a podcast client to manage your device.
[11:00] <shauno> I heartily recommend itunes.  it's fast, lightweight, freedom-loving ...
[11:01] <knightwise> screen-x: :) then i would be back in itunes
[11:01]  * shauno goes back to work before the noose gets here
[11:01] <knightwise> allmost no linux podcast client has that ability !
[11:01] <screen-x> I thought gpodder could manage devices?
[11:02] <knightwise> screen-x: yep , but it doesnt have an option to "only copy over 2 episodes" and stuff
[11:02] <knightwise> and lets face it , this is a way cooler way to do it ? nu ?
[11:02] <knightwise> i can even use a command line podcatcher now
[11:02] <shauno> writing a patch for gpodder would be cooler ;)  this is mildly entertaining tho
[11:03] <popey> DJones: not fixed
[11:03] <davmor2> morning all
[11:03] <screen-x> knightwise: it has "only sync tracks that have not been played"
[11:03] <DJones> popey: Shame, would have been handy if it did, I'm just wondering whether to try updating to the dev channel and testing on this machine
[11:04] <knightwise> screen-x: but i never "play" the tracks in gpodder anyway
[11:04] <knightwise> just on my droid
[11:04] <davmor2> popey: one word.  Punish
[11:08] <knightwise> ok , added rm -r file to clear the sdcard
[11:10] <shauno> reminds me, I meant to look into running a script when a particular device is connected
[11:10] <shauno> but I heard they're trying to kill hal, so idea where I'd start there anymore
[11:11] <gord> shauno, devicekit, udisks specifically
[11:12] <popey> DJones: fixed!
[11:12] <popey> DJones: I had GPU acceleration switched off
[11:13] <DJones> popey: Heh, was that something that came up with the new driver, or would that have been the same with the old driver
[11:16] <shauno> gord: ty, that looks like just the ticket
[11:18] <DJones> popey: Was the GPU acceleration a setting for Chrome, or just part of the display driver settings
[11:19] <dutchie> why did i just ls a newly-created directory when I cd'ed into it?
[11:20] <Obtuse> dutchie: I do that a lot too.
[11:20] <screen-x> dutchie: I do that..
[11:20] <BigRedS> force of habit. I always do that
[11:21] <Obtuse> Or typing "w" when I know who is logged in... me!
[11:21] <screen-x> Colleague "your office is really dull, you should get a SAD lamp" Thanks!
[11:21] <BigRedS> I use 'w' as shorthand for 'uptime'
[11:21] <popey> DJones: well, i updated the driver then realised that it wasnt enabled
[11:21] <popey> (in chrome)
[11:21] <popey> about:flags
[11:22] <brobostigon> morning everyone.
[11:22] <popey> lo brobostigon
[11:22] <kazade> can anyone think of any reason why a cron job would run twice, one after the other, even though it's only got a single entry in the crontab?
[11:23] <brobostigon> morning popey
[11:23] <kazade> o/ brobostigon
[11:23] <brobostigon> morning kazade
[11:23] <DJones> popey: Found it, having just updated to the dev channel, I've a "GPU Accelerated Canvas 2D" which appears to be enabled by default
[11:24] <Obtuse> BigRedS:  Me too, and even though  I know only I use my workstation, in days-gone-by I absent-mindedly checked load on big shared servers at Uni etc.
[11:24] <Synth_sam> DJones:Strange, I'm on the dev channel and it's disabled by default on mine
[11:24] <Obtuse> kazade: Time changed on the box so it was appropriate again?
[11:24] <Obtuse> NTP sync or something?
[11:25] <kazade> Obtuse, !
[11:25] <kazade> that's something I haven't looked at
[11:25] <kazade> that could well be it!
[11:28] <popey> DJones: bah! not fixed after all
[11:32] <davmor2> popey: did you think the issue might be XP?
[11:38] <popey> well it used to work
[11:39] <jonsaint> hi all. can anyone recommend a programme for yahoo that lets you share pictures and also webcam use?
[11:39] <BigRedS> for yahoo?
[11:39] <DJones> jonsaint: Yahoo messenger?
[11:39] <jonsaint> yes
[11:39] <BigRedS> oh, yahoo messenger
[11:40] <DJones> jonsaint: Possibly aMSN, but I'm not 100% sure whether that will work with webcams
[11:40] <jonsaint> aint that for msn tho??
[11:41] <DJones> Its not just for MSN
[11:41] <jonsaint> il give it a try
[11:42] <davmor2> jonsaint: have you tried empathy and pidgin
[11:43] <jonsaint> pidgin yes.
[11:43] <dutchie> empathy would probably be a better choice than aMSN if you like your eyes not bleeding
[11:43] <dutchie> it may not work though
[11:44] <DJones> dutchie: Does empathy work for video/webcam chat for yahoo accounts
[11:44] <dutchie> maybe :)
[11:44] <jonsaint> cheers folks. gonna try it now. will report back
[11:50] <shauno> good lord.  I seem to have sprung some terrible lag :/
[11:51] <nigelb> Kopete does video for yahoo I believe
[11:51] <knightwise> DJones: why not use google video chat
[11:51] <knightwise> its platform independant
[11:52] <DJones> knightwise: "11:33 < jonsaint> hi all. can anyone recommend a programme for yahoo that lets you share pictures and also webcam use?
[11:52] <knightwise> ah
[11:52] <brobostigon> empathy does do webcam and voice for some protocols.
[11:52] <knightwise> yahoo
[11:53] <jonsaint> im just waiting for the person to come online for me to check it
[12:01] <Obtuse> Anyone know a good wireless webcam?
[12:01] <Obtuse> I want a tadpole cam :)
[12:02] <knightwise> logitech had those once
[12:08] <popey> ooo yay, bug 721447 is assigned to gord
[12:08] <popey> Go Gord Go!
[12:11] <DJones> Are you going to annoy him by asking hourly, "Is it fixed yet?" :)
[12:12] <popey> nah, that would be unfair
[12:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> That sounds like a parent speaking DJones
[12:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Are we there yet?"
[12:12] <popey> that'll do :)
[12:12] <DJones> TheOpenSourcerer: That was the thought that was going through my head
[12:13] <davmor2> popey: harsh,  that'll be gord and sil out to punish you then :P
[12:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have we all visited the 'Choose-a-Quiz-night' page? http://doodle.com/eucwzx2qdiiiqs5p
[12:24] <shauno> I'd just spotted that, and was trying to see if I could scroll back far enough to find out what said quiz entails
[12:25] <bigcalm> Questions and answers?
[12:26] <DJones> shauno: Have a look at the -uk-meeting logs
[12:26]  * bigcalm is in one of those moods
[12:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm - why isn't the uk-loco on this list? http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/
[12:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> shauno: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/MeetingNotes/20110303
[12:26] <shauno> ah, cheers.  explains why scrollback was failing me
[12:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Infact to save you scrolling: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/MeetingNotes/20110303#AlanBell%20-%20Quiz%20night
[12:43] <shauno> this should be fun.  it's time to gather up all the rack keys and try them out because someone took the right key home with them
[12:48] <bigcalm> Not labeled?
[12:49] <knightwise> i just love using the issh client on the ipad
[12:50] <knightwise> makes you feel like you're doing something you're not supposed to
[12:51] <davmor2> knightwise: I like the connectbot on android for a similar reason
[12:52] <shauno> bigcalm: sort of.  some of the rack keys fit racks they're not meant to
[12:53] <shauno> so Plan B is always to grab every key you can find and try 'em all :)
[12:53] <bigcalm> Fun
[12:58] <tugrik> don't scissors work pretty well as rack keys?
[12:59] <tugrik> or are these *properly* secured racks?
[13:02] <knightwise> it works :)
[13:02] <knightwise> the podcast copy script works :}
[13:03] <brobostigon> yay, gnome-shell working on natty, :)
[13:03] <brobostigon> thank you, gnome3 team, :)
[13:05] <HazRPG> hi
[13:05] <brobostigon> afternoonings HazRPG :)
[13:05] <HazRPG> brobostigon: afternoon :)
[13:06] <HazRPG> seems that tried to chat with me while I was asleep >_<
[13:07] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you sleep?!
[13:07] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Sometimes :P
[13:11] <HazRPG> argh, this is driving me insane!
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: what is?
[13:12] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: this SID I'm trying to produce lol
[13:12] <MartijnVdS> SID.. as in c64 music?
[13:12] <HazRPG> yeah
[13:13] <MartijnVdS> scary man
[13:13] <HazRPG> http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/music/c64/Tune1-v0.1.sid <== this is what I've got
[13:14] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/music/c64/cadaver2.sid I'm trying to work out how this guy managed to speed the same baseline
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> I don't know sid files, only mod files
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> and there it's easy :)
[13:15] <DeathSling> Zimbra administrators!!  If I have openssh-server am I right in asuming that it should be setup to listen on any port other than 22 as Zimbra "Remote Queue Manager" is running on that port?
[13:15] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Depends what compiled it - totem will open the files btw ;)
[13:16] <HazRPG> the sid files I mean
[13:16] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Wait, you know how to make .mod's ?
[13:16] <daubers> HazRPG: What're you making them in?
[13:16] <HazRPG> GoatTracker
[13:16] <HazRPG> in the repo for ubuntu :)
[13:16] <DeathSling> A googled answer say's that ssh should be setup on 22, which seems wrong to me
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: milkytracker - Music creation tool inspired by Fast Tracker 2
[13:17] <screen-x> DeathSling: 22 is the default port for ssh
[13:17] <HazRPG> DeathSling: The port should be 22 by default, if you have something running on port 22 - you should change it :)
[13:17] <HazRPG> what screen-x said :)
[13:18] <DeathSling> I did, I am running ssh on 5061 but an error in zimbra seems to point at that
[13:18] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I have that one too,  however I find this one easier to understand (don't know why)
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: ft2 and/or it used to be _the_ tools, back in the 90s :)
[13:19] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Really?
[13:19] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I'm guessing its still based on the c64 SID right?
[13:20] <HazRPG> MilkyTracker just seems confusing, because I thought the c64 could only play 3 channels
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: schism - ImpulseTracker clone aiming at providing the same look&feel
[13:21]  * HazRPG fills hard drive with more stuff
[13:21] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Yeah I noticed that one too, but that one I didn't download
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I don't know sid at all..
[13:21] <shauno> tugrik: definately not 'properly secured'.  they're just little tumblers like office drawers.  it's just a training lab :)
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: mods are made for some chip in the Amiga
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> (originally)
[13:22] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ah I thought so :)
[13:23] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Aww, Schism doesn't make a menu icon :(
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: who needs a menu icon :)
[13:23] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Its nice for when you forget you have something ^^
[13:25] <HazRPG> wow schism is tiny on my screen
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you need to run it full-screen on a 15" CRT
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> for full effect ;)
[13:26] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: hehe
[13:26] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: which one do you use?
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: neither atm.. it's been a while :)
[13:28] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Argh! that was scary
[13:28] <HazRPG> full-screen on my setup just isn't right
[13:29] <HazRPG> spans the two screens I have going on here
[13:32] <shauno> HazRPG: what on earth are you up to now?   lol
[13:33] <HazRPG> shauno: you make it sound like I'm just up to mischief all the time :P
[13:33] <shauno> no comment
[13:33] <HazRPG> shauno: http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/music/c64/Tune1-v0.1.sid
[13:33] <HazRPG> shauno: that's what I have so far
[13:34] <HazRPG> shauno: and I'm trying to imitate this: http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/music/c64/cadaver2.sid
[13:35] <shauno> hm.  wonder what I've got that'd open those
[13:35] <HazRPG> shauno: totem?
[13:35] <shauno> at work :)
[13:35] <HazRPG> vlc should, and gnome player
[13:36] <HazRPG> ah
[13:36] <shauno> got a modtracker on my phone, but I think that's just .mod's
[13:37] <brobostigon> vlc plays basiclly everything, in my experience.
[13:37] <HazRPG> brobostigon: this is true
[13:38] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ooo... vlc doesn't play sid!
[13:38] <brobostigon> HazRPG: including on occasion, broken vids and audio files.
[13:38] <brobostigon> HazRPG: what, :(
[13:38] <shauno> doesn't appear to here either
[13:39] <knightwise> shauno: script works great btw
[13:39] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ahh I had this problem with mid too... you need to have a synth file included in the vlc to get it to work - and synth files are copyright so they don't include as standard
[13:39] <shauno> \o/
[13:39] <knightwise> also set it up for a generic usb stick i can use in the car
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: apt-get install freepats
[13:39] <knightwise> thanx again to all of you
[13:39] <brobostigon> HazRPG: ah, i see.
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: also, apt-get install timidity :)
[13:40] <shauno> sidplay2 -w your.sid :)
[13:40] <HazRPG> that too
[13:40] <shauno> dumps a .wav, and I'm pretty sure xp should beable to handle that much
[13:41] <HazRPG> :)
[13:41] <silner> Is there any reason why gems like iplayer-dl and Grumblr don't get into Ubuntu repos - special issue with gems or just coincidence? Popey?
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: ^ have you checked timidity + freepats?
[13:41] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I googled them :P
[13:42] <shauno> pfft.  uae & protracker.
[13:42] <HazRPG> shauno: ?
[13:43] <HazRPG> where'd you get sidplay2 from?
[13:43] <shauno> apt-cache search sidplay
[13:43] <HazRPG> sidplay (without the 2) isn't there
[13:43] <HazRPG> s/isn't/is
[13:43] <shauno> oddly, the package is named sidplay, but the binary is named sidplay2
[13:43] <HazRPG> oh
[13:43] <popey> shauno: nobody has packaged them
[13:44] <popey> plus most of those are a single script
[13:44] <shauno> silner: ^
[13:44] <silner> So it's just not worth it?
[13:45] <silner> I just wondered if there was some special reason why?
[13:45] <popey> doh
[13:45] <popey> well, get-iplayer is packaged in ubuntu
[13:45] <popey> and is more maintained than iplayer-dl
[13:45] <popey> but the version in ubuntu hasn't got love because upstream dropped it
[13:45] <popey> no special reason why silner
[13:46] <silner> Grumblr is pretty unique though? And quite a long script :)
[13:46] <popey> never heard if it
[13:46] <silner> Tumblr client
[13:47] <silner> Like Tumblweed but native to Linux rather than AIR
[13:47] <silner> Much faster because of that
[13:47] <popey> get someone to package it in debian
[13:47] <popey> then we get the benefit too
[13:47] <popey> (and so does everyone else)
[13:48] <silner> That's an idea - author said gems are so easy anyway it's not worth his time, more politely than that though :)
[13:48] <popey> its written in ruby?
[13:48] <silner> Yeah
[13:48] <popey> give yup
[13:48] <popey> *up
[13:48] <silner> Why?
[13:48] <AlanBell> ruby does not like deb
[13:48] <silner> Ah right
[13:48] <popey> http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=566
[13:49] <popey> ruby doesn't seem to like any kind of packaging
[13:49] <nigelb> +1
[13:49]  * nigelb huggles python
[13:49] <AlanBell> true, it isn't an exclusive deb problem
[13:49] <gord> python isn't a huge fan of packaging either ;)
[13:49] <nigelb> but there is some form of packaging
[13:50] <silner> Gems are easy enough but but it was new to me the way you do it and I'm guessing some may find the menu creation hard work
[13:50] <AlanBell> python also has problems when mixing .deb and easy_install
[13:50] <nigelb> I stick to virtualenv + pip
[13:51] <nigelb> for the most part...
[13:51] <shauno> pip/gems make me think the same thing.  is 'foo doesn't like packaging' related to 'foo has invented their own packaging'
[13:51] <silner> I knew there had to be some reason because I could find any Ruby Gems that had been packaged for any system
[13:51] <AlanBell> the generic problem is mixing different packaging systems
[13:51] <silner> could=couldn't
[13:52] <nigelb> there is the distro packaging, then there is the gem or easy_install or pip packagaing
[13:52] <nigelb> mixing things tend to make it crash
[13:52] <shauno> atleast cpan seems to pull it off quite nicely
[13:52] <nigelb> or fight with each other, which is worse
[13:52] <silner> The Gem is very stable and runs as fast as asimilar native app AFAIKS
[13:53] <silner> I just wish it had a spellchecker
[13:54] <silner> At least now I understand why the author was so reluctant to fulfil my wishlist :)
[13:56] <silner> I'm actually thinking of looking into packaging. I'm getting fed up with recompiling source I want every time I upgrade or change systems
[13:56] <HazRPG> there's definitely a trick I'm missing here, I just don't get how the other guy speeded up
[14:00]  * mungojerry just got back from a technology show
[14:01] <mungojerry> it's amazing how many stands were irrelevant : symantec, mcafee, etc
[14:03] <shauno> amazing how survivable such companies are tho :/
[14:04] <shauno> (that said, I used to have a linux build of mcafee.  I wonder if they still do that)
[14:04] <silner> There are quite a few AVs  for linux now
[14:05] <silner> AVG and Antivir are free too
[14:05] <silner> as in beer
[14:05] <silner> not FREE
[14:05] <HazRPG> Clam!
[14:05] <silner> or FAIF as Bradley Kuhn would say :)
[14:07] <mungojerry> intel bought mcafee for what, $8bn?
[14:09] <HazRPG> I'm never going to get better with this :(
[14:09] <shauno> boy did they get ripped off.  I think we paid about $20 for it
[14:10] <screen-x> shauno: haha
[14:10] <HazRPG> shauno: you almost had me on the floor with that xD
[14:11] <screen-x> anyone know of a suitable channel for asking questions about troff/groff, I'm getting rather frustrated :(
[14:12] <shauno> that'd be an odd one for irc.  I think you just want to walk around the building until you find someone with a gray beard
[14:12] <HazRPG> heh
[14:14] <screen-x> shauno: I found someone with half glasses, he suggested using an invisible table to solve my problem, like html of old :(
[14:14] <HazRPG> ah ha I think I cracked it!
[14:15] <HazRPG> it has a shorter pattern length!
[14:15]  * HazRPG goes to experiment!
[14:15]  * brobostigon returns from doing last nights washing up.
[14:16] <popey> http://popey.me/eEJa8o
[14:16] <popey> apparently I only contribute to Ubuntu because I want a job from Mark Shuttleworth
[14:16] <screen-x> haha
[14:16] <brobostigon> what cheek.
[14:17] <shauno> well that explains everything!
[14:17] <brobostigon> what a cheap shot.
[14:17] <shauno> in other news, you appear to be famous ;)
[14:18] <mungojerry> schestowitz is still trolling i see
[14:18] <mungojerry> by that reckoning , who does he want a job from?
[14:18] <mungojerry> popey: were you googling yourself again?
[14:19] <shauno> why would anyone do that ... when they can use google.com/alerts to do it for them
[14:20] <mungojerry> anyone use get_iplayer? having problems getting it to work :(
[14:21] <shauno> I do
[14:21] <HazRPG> seems I was wrong
[14:21] <mungojerry> shauno: "rtmpdump does not support SWF Verification"
[14:21] <brobostigon> mungojerry: it works here,but i have to set it to download a flashform, ie --mode=flashstd  for example.
[14:22] <mungojerry> brobostigon: trying that but getting a fail on rtmpdump
[14:22] <mungojerry> i have it working at home but having bandwidth issues there, today is my last day to download
[14:22] <brobostigon> mungojerry: have you tried rtmpdump from the repos?
[14:23] <brobostigon> !info rtmpdump
[14:23] <mungojerry> i'm on lucid :(
[14:23] <mungojerry> doesn't exist
[14:23] <brobostigon> !info rtmpdump lucid
[14:23] <HazRPG> popey: random
[14:23] <brobostigon> mungojerry: :(
[14:24] <shauno> it appears I'm using flvstreamer rather than rtmpdump
[14:24] <brobostigon> mungojerry: ido believe you need to specify the path to rtmpdump aswell. soit canfind it.
[14:24] <mungojerry> ah..
[14:25] <HazRPG> popey: how did you even find that? or do you frequent that channel?
[14:25] <brobostigon> https://github.com/jjl/get_iplayer thats the version i am using.
[14:25] <popey> after a conversation on identica the other day I had a look at their logs to prove a point, spotted that
[14:25] <popey> mungojerry: i use get_iplayer, i have it cronned on my server at home to get my fave programmes
[14:26] <popey> /home/alan/bin/get_iplayer --no-purge --vmode=flashhd,flashvhigh,flashhigh,flashstd,flashnormal,iphone --pvr --flvstreamer=/home/alan/bin/flvstreamer --output=/srv/media/TV --subdir
[14:26] <popey> thats what I do :)
[14:26] <shauno> I have it cronned .. err .. somewhere in the uk  =x
[14:27] <HazRPG> popey: those comments are rather harsh tbh, most people contribute because they want to better a project
[14:28] <shauno> contributing hoping it'll lead to employment isn't as silly as they make it sound
[14:28] <HazRPG> shauno: true
[14:28] <popey> i didnt say it was silly :)
[14:28] <shauno> not as directly as "if I'm nice to mark he'll give me a job", but more as a general "having foss on your resume"
[14:28] <popey> exactly
[14:29] <shauno> not you, your log :)  makes it sound like a less-than-valid tactic
[14:29] <mungojerry> ok guys, i found a deb of rtmpdump
[14:29] <mungojerry> works now :)
[14:30] <HazRPG> shauno: I agree on the "having foss on your resume/cv" part
[14:30] <mungojerry> i had previously compiled it but obviously missing an option
[14:30] <brobostigon> ./get_iplayer --nopurge --type=all --category=scifi
[14:30] <HazRPG> always a great thing to add to your hobbies/skills section
[14:30] <shauno> it's a classic catch-22 that everyone wants experience, but how do you get it.  foss is a fantastic answer
[14:30] <mungojerry> if someone wants a job with canonical they should just apply :P
[14:30] <HazRPG> shauno: :)
[14:31] <HazRPG> yeah, exactly
[14:31] <HazRPG> nothings stopping people from ever sending them a CV or filling out an application form
[14:31] <HazRPG> plus if you've helped out with the community, you can mention that to them
[14:32] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: as if they care about the community </cynic> :P
[14:32] <shauno> I thought I had some docs on troff, but turns out it's for roff.  stone.  age.
[14:32] <HazRPG> but to say that's the only motivation behind helping out, is to get a job from them is invalid
[14:33] <HazRPG> hmm, am I the only one that doesn't seem to /get/ twitter and identi.ca
[14:34] <shauno> no.  my mom doesn't get it either.
[14:34] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i have my own, ptaylor.status.net
[14:34] <HazRPG> shauno: *eye twitch*
[14:34] <shauno> HazRPG: I kid.  she probably would if she cared :p
[14:35] <knightdroid> connectbot ftw
[14:35] <HazRPG> brobostigon: argh, now that just makes it more confusing!
[14:35] <brobostigon> HazRPG: hehe, sorry,
[14:36] <HazRPG> so status.net != identica != twitter
[14:36] <HazRPG> but identica ~ twitter
[14:36] <brobostigon> HazRPG: status.net is the tech identi.ca is based on and uses,
[14:36] <daubers> HazRPG: status.net = identi.ca != twitter
[14:37] <shauno> the main difference between them is twitter actually has users
[14:37] <shauno> /duck
[14:38] <HazRPG> lol
[14:38] <screen-x> daubers: where "is used by" denotes "uses"
[14:38] <HazRPG> that's like saying the playstation 3 has no games
[14:38] <HazRPG>  /hides under rock
[14:38] <screen-x> hmm, there was supposed to be an = in there somwhere, complete fail.
[14:38] <brobostigon> shauno: allthe right people use identica, icant say  that for twitter.
[14:39] <daubers> brobostigon: "the right people"???
[14:39] <HazRPG> daubers: I'm guessing he means foss-based people :)
[14:39] <shauno> I wouldn't agree with that either.  tried identica, got spammed senseless
[14:39] <brobostigon> daubers: yes, i know what i mean, umm,
[14:39] <HazRPG> i.e. most of the nice ones
[14:39] <Ng> identi.ca is good for talking to FOSS people, twitter is good for talking to normal people
[14:39] <Ng> ;)
[14:40] <screen-x> I dont know any normal people, but I know plenty of non FOSS people.
[14:40] <HazRPG> shauno: maybe you were just hooked up to the wrong people?
[14:40] <HazRPG> +1 screen-x
[14:40] <HazRPG> same
[14:40] <shauno> I don't believe I was 'hooked up' to anyone
[14:41] <HazRPG> shauno: following I mean, or being followed
[14:41] <HazRPG> if that's even the right term for identica
[14:41] <brobostigon> HazRPG: yes, those are the right words.
[14:42] <HazRPG> brobostigon: :0
[14:42] <HazRPG> :)*
[14:43] <shauno> just looked, I'm in the ubuntu 'group' and following ubuntu-ie.  no more, no less
[14:44] <shauno> it's not like I followed half of brazil.  they came to me   lol
[14:44] <mungojerry> HazRPG: twitter seems to be a good broacast medium. i basically use it as i would an rss reader
[14:44] <HazRPG> mungojerry: yeah I use twitter for that reason
[14:45] <mungojerry> i don't really follow many people
[14:45] <mungojerry> i find it a clunky way to communicate too
[14:45] <HazRPG> me either, hard to keep track otherwise
[14:45] <mungojerry> especially the messaging
[14:45] <brobostigon> nationalrailenquiries annuncements is a good use of twitter.
[14:45] <mungojerry> brobostigon: a bit verbose though?
[14:45] <mungojerry> i don't like reading about stuff that doesn't apply to me
[14:45] <brobostigon> mungojerry: but useful, if you use the train alot.
[14:46] <mungojerry> i want granularity of announcements for only one line
[14:46] <mungojerry> brobostigon: agree in principle though
[14:46] <brobostigon> mungojerry: :)
[14:47] <brobostigon> or for the ubuntu-uk admins, bitfolk downtime/issue announements.
[14:52] <shauno> man friday afternoon is boring.  I need to find something to keep me busy, or I may start snoring
[14:52] <mungojerry> have a meeting with anti open-source consultants in 5 mins :(
[14:53]  * brobostigon gets mungojerry a concience gun, to aim at said consultants.
[14:54] <mungojerry> very upset about the way decisions are handled :(
[14:54] <brobostigon> :(
[14:54] <popey> ho ho ho
[14:54] <popey> co-workers windows 7 laptop is knackered
[14:54] <brobostigon> hw or sw?
[14:54] <shauno> sugar packets?
[14:55] <mungojerry> i kept seeing win7 laptops on display today and thought they were running kde4
[14:55] <DJones> Have you booted up with a live cd yet and saved all their work making them eternally greatful to you
[14:55] <BigRedS> hah, yeah, I did exactly that with win7
[14:57] <popey> doing a memtest now
[14:58] <brobostigon> hmm, nm-applet seems to be dieing every so often.
[15:02] <brobostigon> [ 3796.135586] nm-applet[16111]: segfault at 1 ip b73a0ae6 sp bfcd3904 error 4 in libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.2400.1[b72a8000+3d0000]
[15:02] <brobostigon> ok, launchpad here we come.
[15:06] <screen-x> >:(( groff 46,329, screen-x 2
[15:06] <Myrtti> naps ♥
[15:06] <brobostigon> can someone confirm please, before i report it, i cant find a bug like it, in natty.
[15:06] <screen-x> yay for naps \o/
[15:09] <bigcalm> Nap time for the servers
[15:11] <screen-x> freenode never sleeps, but sometimes it has hiccups ;-)
[15:14] <davmor2> brobostigon: I have no issues with nm
[15:16] <brobostigon> davmor2: ok, thats interesting to know, how about solely with the applet, rather than network-manager as a whole.
[15:16] <davmor2> brobostigon: Nope sits there doing it's job
[15:16] <brobostigon> davmor2: ok, thank you.
[15:17] <davmor2> brobostigon: no probs
[15:17] <brobostigon> davmor2: must be something specific to my machine and or installation then.
[15:18] <davmor2> yeap
[15:19] <davmor2> brobostigon: try running tail on the syslog and see if the driver disconnects and reconnects
[15:20] <davmor2> brobostigon: Still do a bug other maybe effected
[15:20] <brobostigon> davmor2: yes, good idea.
[15:27] <HazRPG> shauno_: I like knowing these things though
[15:27] <HazRPG> shauno: ^^
[15:28] <shauno> I'm not sure how best to explain without offending anyone
[15:28] <HazRPG> I thought emacs was a cli editor thing
[15:28] <shauno> that's the one
[15:28] <HazRPG> I knew it was one of two
[15:29] <HazRPG> (remember the eMac?
[15:29]  * brobostigon has found, the seven year itch, on film4, one of his favorite films. deadfunny film.
[15:29] <HazRPG> or Educational Mac
[15:29] <shauno> yeah
[15:29] <brobostigon> HazRPG: yes, and it was butt ugly.
[15:29] <HazRPG> brobostigon: literally BUTT :P
[15:30] <HazRPG> shauno: how would you offend anyone about emacs?
[15:32] <shauno> :D
[15:32] <HazRPG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_audio_trackers
[15:32] <HazRPG> \o/ hurray!
[15:33]  * HazRPG feels offend that sid isn't on that list
[15:33] <HazRPG> surely c64 was popular enough to support its format, right?
[15:34] <DJones> o/ C64
[15:36] <ali1234> sid isn't a tracker format
[15:36] <HazRPG> sng is though?
[15:36] <ali1234> nobody cares about that
[15:36] <ali1234> sid music is in sid format
[15:36] <gord> sid is format that conveys pure joy, that is all that matters
[15:36] <ali1234> which is 6502 machine code
[15:37] <HazRPG> ali1234: ah, that would explain why bin is one of the formats GoatTracker saves in
[15:37] <HazRPG> or rather compiles/packs
[15:38] <shauno> .sng is just 'dot song'.  it's really quite generic
[15:38] <HazRPG> renoise seems to use flac's for its samples... that just seems to be sacrilege!
[15:39] <[diablo]> afternoon all... I have an opening for an Ubuntu Server administrator in London.... senior role... and due to its almost niche nature I am looking for a way to promote the role within the Ubuntu (UK) community
[15:39] <seal> hi all, I hope I am in the right forum. If not please refer me...Set-up: ubuntu 10.10. I need help in two areas...(1) edit my . profile to say  " PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin:/sbin:$HOME/bin "      \n   " export PATH  "      \n   " unset USERNAME  "  in .profile (2) how can I stop public_html from downloading php instead of parsing it?
[15:40] <screen-x> [diablo]: have you posted it to the linuxjobs ml?
[15:40] <HazRPG> seal: I assume you have php installed
[15:40] <nigelb> [diablo]: write a blog post on ubuntu uk planet ')
[15:40] <[diablo]> hi screen-x ... not yet. I have looked there and see there is very little movement
[15:41] <[diablo]> nigelb, yep, that was another suggestion from someone in the ubuntu-ha channel
[15:41] <screen-x> [diablo]: I subscribe and see a reasonable volume of jobs, not much discussion, but it isn't a discussion list.
[15:41] <seal> hi HazRPG yes it work within  root local host but I wish to config in /home/user
[15:41] <nigelb> [diablo]: there is some upcoming event too.  Go for it and hand out buisnesss cards
[15:42] <nigelb> Or bribe popey to advertise on uupc ;)
[15:42] <shauno> was going to say, it shouldn't be high volume.  it's a definate case for quality vs quantity
[15:43] <popey> [diablo]: there's a fair number of people on that list
[15:43] <popey> <- one of the admins of the list
[15:43] <[diablo]> sorry, which list?
[15:43] <popey> 15:40:20 < screen-x> [diablo]: have you posted it to the linuxjobs ml?
[15:44] <[diablo]> ah
[15:44] <[diablo]> ok
[15:44] <[diablo]> sorry
[15:44] <[diablo]> switching windows constantly :-)
[15:45] <nigelb> popey: the list limited to uk?
[15:45] <HazRPG> seal: I'm confused, you want to move the public_html folder you mean to /home/user
[15:45] <HazRPG> ?*
[15:46] <shauno> seal: check in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf
[15:46] <[diablo]> I am right in saying popey that you refer to https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs
[15:46] <popey> yes
[15:46] <popey> nigelb: yes
[15:46] <HazRPG> shauno: that was going to be my next suggestion :P
[15:46] <nigelb> aw :(
[15:46] <seal> HazRPG: I have installed lamp server^ and it is configure to work in localhost...
[15:46] <shauno> you should find a stanza containing  http://paste.ubuntu.com/575536/
[15:47] <seal> I have created public_html in /home/user/public_html
[15:47] <shauno> I believe it's there for a very good reason.  I do believe php files run from public_html will still be run by www-data, which can be a gaping security flaw
[15:48] <seal> And I wish to run php file from within public_html dir
[15:48] <shauno> if you need to do it on a production machine, or something that's net facing, google suexec and have fun.  if not, firewall up and remove that stanza
[15:48] <HazRPG> shauno: you mean placing public_html in ~/ is a security problem?
[15:48] <shauno> HazRPG: no, I mean having 'shaun' by allowed to write to a file that's executed by 'www-data' can be a problem.
[15:49] <HazRPG> seal: as shauno mentioned check /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf (he's also pasted an example in paste.ubuntu.com)
[15:49] <seal> just checking guys...
[15:49] <HazRPG> seal: also, make sure you have allowed users to be able to execute the php files - otherwise it'll be pointless
[15:49] <HazRPG> gotta have the right permissions ;)
[15:50] <shauno> if his browser is feeding him the file instead of parsing it, permissions are good.  php is simply disabled for userdir out of the box.  for very, very good reasons
[15:51] <HazRPG> shauno: would linking to the main folder be a bad idea?
[15:51] <shauno> depends what he's trying to do.  if he just needs a machine for local development, firewall 80 and rip the place apart
[15:52] <seal> I did did check and my settings: php_admin_value engine On
[15:52] <shauno> if it's going to be net-facing, or a multi-user setup, he needs to understand why having everyone's files executed by www-data isn't clean
[15:52] <seal> Is it recommended to run directly in www?
[15:53] <HazRPG> shauno: I'll leave you to help him out, I still have a lot to learn about running apache in linux it seems
[15:54] <HazRPG> seems so very different to the windows version
[15:54] <HazRPG> however I always work in the prime directory it was installed in as standard anyway
[15:55] <seal> I recently moved over to linux so I am trying to understand how it is done here - but I am happy with any suggestions...this particular setup is for development purpose
[15:56] <bigcalm> You know your heart isn't in it for the day when you carry on playing minecraft during a client phone call
[15:57] <brobostigon> seal: we are happy to help in any way we can, in our own way, :)
[15:57] <brobostigon> bigcalm: :)
[15:57] <seal> brobostigon: thanks ;)
[15:57] <shauno> seal, sticking with /var/www is usually the most sensible option
[15:58] <brobostigon> seal: :)
[15:58] <seal> /var/www it is...
[16:00] <screen-x> hmmm my gmail account is temporarily unavailable, given the recent problems, I hope it comes back containing all my mail..
[16:01] <davmor2> screen-x: Nah!
[16:01] <shauno> screen-x: but think of all the extra space you'll have!
[16:01] <screen-x> its the 2011 version of "the dog ate it"
[16:02] <shauno> I have to say "I told you so"; less than a month ago people questioned why I wanted to be my own MX instead of letting google handle everything
[16:02] <shauno> it's 4pm; do you know where your backups are?  :D
[16:03]  * bigcalm doesn't care enough on a Friday afternoon ;)
[16:05] <shauno> I need to find a theme with more colour.  when people /me, it looks like I wrote it :/
[16:06] <screen-x> \o/ gmail is back, with all my mail... this tiem
[16:07] <seal> thank you guys for your help...I'm off
[16:07] <screen-x> shauno: running local mail is fine, I haven't found a good solution for calenders though.
[16:08] <shauno> may be worth getting fetchmail to hit up their pop3 and blast it all to a mbox once in a while.  nicely ugly 'just in case' option
[16:08] <screen-x> thats a good idea..
[16:08] <shauno> yaknow, just in case they go bankrupt or something  *scratches head*
[16:09] <shauno> I keep meaning to look into caldav.  never found myself quite bored enough yet
[16:09] <screen-x> problem is that gcal is really easy, works well with mobile devices, and has lots of users.
[16:09] <shauno> especially since the new & improved nanny at work has blocked me.com :(
[16:12] <bigcalm> Humm, Sound Juicer doesn't know what to do with dual format CDs
[16:12] <bigcalm> Which is sucky
[16:13] <andylockran> jpwdu
[16:13] <andylockran> oops
[16:13] <andylockran> hate it when I put my hands on the wrong place on teh keyboard then start typing
[16:14] <ali1234> does diaspora have PIM/CMS type stuff, or is it just ... facebooky?
[16:14] <shauno> I couldn't get it to federate, so it was like facebook with 1 user
[16:15] <bigcalm> Heh
[16:15] <screen-x> andylockran: at least your offset is conistent.
[16:17] <shauno> don't like friday afternoons :(  everyone goes home early.  everyone .. else.
[16:17] <screen-x> shauno: I'm staying late today..
[16:18] <shauno> I never know when I'm staying late.  I find out if a test fails at 6.15 :)
[16:18]  * brobostigon scp's shauno and screen-x a beer, theyhave earnt it.
[16:18] <screen-x> :)
[16:19] <BigRedS> Is there a --purge equivalent for a package that you've already removed?
[16:19] <screen-x> BigRedS: I think you'd have to install then purge.
[16:22] <BigRedS> screen-x: yeah, it's what I've always done. Just ocurred to me that there might be a proper way of doing it
[16:23] <screen-x> BigRedS: I dont think its possible, because you can't dpkg -L a package that isn't installed.
[16:23] <screen-x> BigRedS: however you could do something with apt-file's index and remove any files that are still there.
[16:24] <shauno> dpkg can purge things that don't exist, apt can't
[16:24] <shauno> dpkg --purge packagename should work.  apt-get --purge remove packagename will complain
[16:25] <shauno> similarily, dpkg -L package should be pretty honest about the remains of uninstalled packaged that weren't purged
[16:28] <shauno> think I'm gonna stick joins/quits on ignore so I can just pretend there's still people here :)
[16:29] <screen-x> shauno: http://paste.ubuntu.com/575562/
[16:30] <andylockran> shauno: I'm here :)
[16:30] <shauno> is apache2 not a meta?
[16:30] <screen-x> damn, it probably is
[16:30] <screen-x> was trying to think of something that would have config files.
[16:31] <shauno> metas have nothing.  not even config files :)
[16:34] <shauno> screen-x: I see your paste and raise you a http://paste.ubuntu.com/575565/
[16:34] <screen-x> :) will know for next time
[16:37] <gord> popey_, you can remove me from the topic now :)
[16:38] <danfish> shauno: I have joins/quits on ignore, but when a split occurs and no one answers, you start to feel a bit paranoid ;)
[16:42] <screen-x> quick work gord :)
[16:43] <gord> eh, was like a five minute fix, just was on the back burner
[16:43] <shauno> hah
[16:44] <shauno> glad the bot doesn't parse that
[16:44] <AlanBell> what is bug 721447 anyway?
[16:44] <mungojerry1> waits for lubotto...
[16:45] <DJones> The bot is probably on teh wrong side of a split
[16:45] <AlanBell> anyone want to test my mumble server?
[16:45] <shauno> danfish: I do in most rooms, but this one isn't usually too noisy
[16:45] <AlanBell> install mumble and connect to mumble.libertus.co.uk
[16:52] <danfish> AlanBell: I'll give it a go, but it will be from Win XP
[16:55] <danfish> bah - port blocked by the great firewall
[16:56] <AlanBell> ah well
[16:56] <AlanBell> plenty of time to try later
[16:56] <AlanBell> I am just curious whether there are any timing issues with it running in a VM
[16:58] <shauno> I'd hope not.  I run teamspeak for 25-30 people in a fairly cheap vps
[16:58] <AlanBell> cool
[16:59] <AlanBell> this isn't a cheap VPS
[16:59] <daubers> AlanBell: Whats the connect address?
[16:59] <AlanBell> mumble.libertus.co.uk
[17:00] <AlanBell> it is actually in Germany, but on a fast link
[17:00]  * daubers pauses his momentus backup task
[17:00] <Daviey-> AlanBell, mumble.daviey.com is a VM
[17:00] <Daviey-> and that seems to work fine.
[17:00] <AlanBell> oh good
[17:00] <AlanBell> I know asterisk conferencing can be very sensitive to timing sources
[17:01]  * daubers notes he can't connect to any *.archive domain
[17:01] <danfish> AlanBell: is this for the quiz?
[17:01] <AlanBell> danfish: could well be
[17:01] <shauno> there's a .archive tld?
[17:01] <AlanBell> and I just wanted to try it
[17:01] <AlanBell> I just installed natty server and mumble-server on that, easy peasy
[17:02] <danfish> quiz means pwizes \o/
[17:02] <AlanBell> certainly does
[17:02] <screen-x> danfish: nah, thats points
[17:02] <danfish> and me wants a pony
[17:02]  * screen-x points danfish at the ponyclub
[17:05] <danfish> screen-x: they wouldn't have me.....
[17:05] <danfish> the openstack announcement for natty server was interesting
[17:07] <danfish> competition is always good
[17:09] <lazarus_> grr fails
[17:09] <lazarus_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/575573/
[17:09] <gord> pfft, tell that to mr jobs ;)
[17:10] <screen-x> gord: he's fine with competition, as long as he's winning
[17:10] <lazarus_> screen-x: LOL
[17:12] <daubers> screen-x: Or he owns them
[17:15] <shauno> 1 more hour to test my sanity
[17:15] <danfish> he looked a bit peaky doing that ipad2 launch
[17:16] <danfish> he might not see ipad3...
[17:16] <shauno> according to the national enquirer's expert medical opinion, he died weeks ago
[17:17] <HazRPG> shauno: I just found OpenMPT
[17:17] <HazRPG> shauno: wish it had a linux port... but still nice regardless
[17:17] <shauno> I'm reading unix docs from 1979.  you may win this round.
[17:18] <HazRPG> shauno: ?
[17:18] <shauno> the boredom sweepstakes :)
[17:18] <HazRPG> lol
[17:18] <HazRPG> I'm messing with trackers ^^
[17:19] <HazRPG> shauno: think it would be hard to port to linux?
[17:19] <screen-x> shauno: I think I win, I'm hacking a perl script from circa 1990 that outputs troff
[17:19] <HazRPG> screen-x: :P
[17:19] <shauno> ooh, I already went past troff
[17:21] <shauno> A TROFF Tutorial. B. W. Kernighan.; An introduction to TROFF for those who really want to know such things.; Bell
[17:21] <shauno> Laboratories, 1976.
[17:21] <rysin3_> How do I configure vnc4server to let me view the server machine's actual screen output rather than a new session? Or is there a better solution for parental control remote screen viewing?
[17:23] <screen-x> shauno: I'm reading N Gehani 1988
[17:23] <shauno> I thought vino-server did that by default?  (and thought it was bulit into gnome now)
[17:23] <screen-x> rysin3_: system > preferences > remote desktop > allow other users to view your desktop
[17:25] <AlanBell> rysin3_: personally I think parental controls should be installed on the other side of the eyeballs
[17:26] <MartijnV1S> BRAAAAIINNSS
[17:26] <shauno> yummy
[17:26] <Azelphur> n64 emulator came out for android last night :o
[17:27]  * Azelphur is trying it now
[17:27] <rysin3_> ok thanks for your help and your opinion! :D
[17:28] <rysin3_> But.... I'm using a variant of ubuntu on the other machine (I want to view) that doesn't have remote desktop installed. Is this available via package manager?
[17:29] <screen-x> !info vino
[17:29] <lubotu3`> vino (source: vino): VNC server for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 2.32.0-0ubuntu1.1 (maverick), package size 159 kB, installed size 512 kB
[17:29] <Obtuse> Right, weekend starts here.
[17:29]  * Obtuse waves.
[17:29] <shauno> adios
[17:29] <screen-x> thats like waving with your eyes shut ;)
[17:34] <shauno> HazRPG: looking at it, I'm not sure I'd even try.
[17:35] <HazRPG> shauno: looking at?
[17:35] <HazRPG> oh OpenMPT
[17:36] <shauno> yeah
[17:38] <HazRPG> oh to port it?
[17:38] <HazRPG> heh
[17:38] <shauno> tada!
[17:38] <HazRPG> all the libraries exist in linux though - in fact a majority of them are based on them
[17:39] <HazRPG> would be an interesting project if others would help
[17:39] <HazRPG> currently messing around with it in wine at the moment
[17:39] <HazRPG> not sure if I like it compared to GoatTracker - it is nice having a full gui though
[17:40] <shauno> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fc/Protracker.gif   that's not a full gui?
[17:41] <HazRPG> shauno: oh, well technically they all do
[17:41] <HazRPG> I like the idea of having a file tree, and tabs for each section though
[17:42] <HazRPG> heh, if I'm honest I'm looking for something that's simpler in all honesty
[17:47] <HazRPG> plus from what I can see with OpenMPT you can take out instruments and wave tables out of existing projects and place them into your project with ease
[17:47] <HazRPG> obviously I get that I should really be making them myself (and I do like the GoatTracker interface as a whole) - its just nicer to see something I'm more use to
[17:48] <HazRPG> if I'd actually understood trackers back when I was 10, I probably would have a different take on this
[17:48]  * HazRPG remembers owning a tracker for his GB but didn't know how to use it, due to lack of manuals
[17:48] <HazRPG> and didn't really have internet then
[17:50] <ali1234> goattracker is all about SID
[17:50]  * HazRPG can see that my comments will probably anger some purists and others who prefer them in their old-school way
[17:50] <ali1234> you can fit all the SID registers on the screen at once
[17:50] <HazRPG> ali1234: yeah, I do like that :)
[17:50] <ali1234> there's no samples or anything like that
[17:50] <HazRPG> like I said I like the GoatTracker interface
[17:51] <ali1234> openmpt is more like a full sequencer
[17:51] <ali1234> which is a much bigger scope
[17:52] <HazRPG> ali1234: I guess, but it does depend what format you want to produce in
[17:52] <ali1234> most people would want to produce wav/mp3
[17:53] <HazRPG> ali1234: true
[17:54] <HazRPG> kinda what I want to go with, but I'd like to be able to say I produced them - hopefully from scratch - but the learning curve is killing me lol
[17:54] <HazRPG> I do want to make some old-school music like this for my game project :)
[17:56] <screen-x> shauno: how are the tests looking...?
[17:56] <HazRPG> ali1234: I use to use Music Maker on the PSX several years ago, but the problem with that is that the samples are copyrighted, plus you were limited to what they gave you
[17:56] <shauno> 20 mins away
[17:57] <HazRPG> ali1234: I like the idea of trackers, because you can make them up as you go along, and your only limitation is that of hardware its based off
[17:57] <screen-x> ok, well hopefully you won't have to stay any later..
[17:57] <screen-x> \o all
[17:57] <shauno> I kinda don't mind when we do.  because it's not ours to fix.
[17:58] <shauno> just sit around earning overtime while someone in the US panics
[17:58] <HazRPG> do you guys work together?
[17:58] <shauno> I hope not
[17:59]  * HazRPG would like to know ali1234 opinions on trackers/sequencers
[17:59] <ali1234> nobody uses them, this is how music is made today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU5Dn-WaElI
[18:00] <HazRPG> ali1234: oh, I've done that before
[18:02] <HazRPG> I prefer the old-school sound of SIDs
[18:04] <ali1234> so make a baseline, sample it, add the rest with something else
[18:04] <ali1234> jus SID alone isn't really enough
[18:04] <ali1234> *bassline
[18:04] <ali1234> anyway, afk
[18:10]  * daubers kicks his stupid router
[18:11] <daubers> an hour and a half trying to work out why my networking tool wasn't working, just to discover the bloody router treats wired/wireless as 2 different broadcast domains
[18:12] <HazRPG> daubers: heh
[18:15]  * shauno drums fingers
[18:16] <shauno> and outta here
[18:17]  * MartijnV1S listens to the weirdest program on Dutch radio
[18:24] <knightdroid> yoyo
[18:25] <knightdroid> just punched up connectbot on the droid
[18:25] <knightdroid> pretty cool stuff over ssh
[18:25] <Myrtti> for irssi usage?
[18:25] <knightdroid> yep
[18:25] <Myrtti> try irssi connectbot instead then ;-)
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> works fine on my n1 as well
[18:26] <knightdroid> whats the difference between the two ?
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> n1 is a Nexus One
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> oh "Connectbot Irssi" has some irssi hotkeys
[18:26]  * knightdroid is on a desire hd
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> but it's not up to date
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> it doesn't support some connectbot features (pubkeys, I think, being one)
[18:27] <Myrtti> yup
[18:27] <knightdroid> ah
[18:27] <knightdroid> ill take a peek
[18:27] <Myrtti> changing windows is easier, scrolling the buffer is easier
[18:27] <knightdroid> connectbot +byobu   bliss
[18:28] <knightdroid> like having a terminal server :b
[18:30] <knightdroid> "~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[18:38] <knightdroid> hmm howto tab in connrctbot ...
[18:45] <rysin3_> Which command starts the veno server? Since it doesn't start up on boot.
[18:45] <AlanBell> it should be in the menu
[18:46] <rysin3_> It's not. It's a ubuntu variant.
[18:46] <AlanBell> system-preferences-remote desktop or something
[18:46] <rysin3_> I can start it by using the command veno-preferences but this brings up a dialog.
[18:46] <rysin3_> and seems to start the server
[18:46] <AlanBell> yup
[18:47] <rysin3_> is there a command to just simply start the server and not display the dialog?
[18:48] <AlanBell> /usr/lib/vino/vino-server &
[18:48] <AlanBell> or sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop :)
[18:49] <rysin3_> ok thanks :)
[19:02] <AlanBell> Saturday 16th sneaks into the lead http://doodle.com/eucwzx2qdiiiqs5p
[19:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jo Shields] Protip: parallel-installing Mono versions in an APT-happy way - http://apebox.org/wordpress/linux/370/
[19:36] <HazRPG> I got pizza :)
[19:37] <HazRPG> nom
[19:37] <brobostigon> :)
[19:42] <Myrtti> pistachios
[19:43] <HazRPG> Myrtti: win \o/
[19:43]  * HazRPG wishes he had pistachios now :(
[19:45] <nigelb> AlanChicken: ping around?
[19:54] <AlanChicken> nigelb: hang on, I will de-chicken myself
[19:55] <nigelb> AlanBell: could you join #ubuntu-classroom-backstage for better coordination? :)
[19:56] <Azelphur> ali1234: my minecraft server is public now :D
[19:57] <HazRPG> AlanBell: I think I read earlier you setup mumble?
[19:57] <HazRPG> AlanBell: its really easy to do :)
[19:57] <HazRPG> as you'll probably have noticed
[19:57] <AlanBell> yup, got it working very easy
[19:58] <AlanBell> I increased the allowable bandwidth to have higher quality client connections
[19:58] <HazRPG> thing is, you've got to make sure when your customising the options is to take into consideration you bandwidth limits, and how many will be connecting to it
[19:58] <HazRPG> AlanBell: what did you set it to?
[19:59] <AlanBell> on the server 1000000
[19:59] <AlanBell> clients don't go that high though
[19:59] <HazRPG> AlanBell: depends, people can set their clients individually
[20:00] <Nafallo> what unit is that? :-)
[20:00] <HazRPG> I mean I have my client sent to 100.8Kbps
[20:00] <AlanBell> Nafallo: bits per second I think
[20:00] <AlanBell> mumble.libertus.co.uk if you want to pile on and have a chat
[20:00] <HazRPG> AlanBell: I doubt you'll need your setting that high either
[20:01] <HazRPG> my server is set to 560Kbps
[20:01] <HazRPG> everyone connecting is roughly 70-100Kbps
[20:01] <Nafallo> heh.
[20:01] <HazRPG> most I've seen at once was something like 7 users
[20:02] <HazRPG> so everyone was being scaled down
[20:02] <Nafallo> sounds like you'll run out of other resources before bandwidth :-P
[20:02] <HazRPG> and even then it sounded perfect
[20:03] <AlanBell> Nafallo: I would be astonished if that server ran out of anything
[20:03] <HazRPG> hmm doubtful
[20:03] <AlanBell> it is a VM, but I can give it 24GB and 12 cores if I want
[20:04] <HazRPG> even if you had 100 users on it, it won't waste too much resources
[20:04] <HazRPG> I've noticed mumble seems to be pretty light-weight
[20:07] <HazRPG> actually wait I was doing the math wrong, yeah ~976Kbps as you've set it should be fine
[20:08] <HazRPG> that would allow for 14 users at full default client settings
[20:09] <HazRPG> so even 28 users at half, won't notice any problems
[20:09] <Daviey> AlanBell, if you are using KVM you could try giving it 1024 cores :)
[20:09] <AlanBell> Daviey: cool! didn't know I could overcore it
[20:09] <Daviey> yeah
[20:10] <HazRPG> the problems would only lie if you had >42 users
[20:10] <Daviey> Useless, but nice feature
[20:10] <HazRPG> ignore me lol, I just like numbers
[20:11] <AlanBell> isn't that per-client limit?
[20:11] <HazRPG> AlanBell: hmm?
[20:11] <HazRPG> AlanBell: The server scales connecting users down
[20:12] <HazRPG> so with your settings if you have 42 users on at once, they'll all be scaled down by a 1/3
[20:12] <Daviey> AlanBell, 42 is the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Servers, the Clouds, and Everything
[20:12] <AlanBell> hmm, best increase it then
[20:12] <HazRPG> default client setting is ~75Kbps
[20:13] <HazRPG> just for your math
[20:13] <HazRPG> so 76800*n
[20:13] <HazRPG> where n = users
[20:13] <HazRPG> if you want them all connected at normal bandwidth each
[20:14] <HazRPG> like I said, scaling doesn't have any side effects
[20:14] <HazRPG> I've had a user actually set their client down to 35Kbps because they were experiencing mega latency issues in Egypt as a whole (during the internet ban-hammer)
[20:15] <HazRPG> so he was connected at 35Kbps, and everyone else at 75Kbps... but his voice was still crystal clear
[20:15] <HazRPG> and he said we sounded perfect to him
[20:16] <HazRPG> which is why I always factor in 1/2 or 1/3 scale-down from the default client value
[20:16] <HazRPG> since those perform fine, but after 1/3 ... voices start to sound computerised
[20:17] <HazRPG> let me know if I'm boring you btw... lol
[20:17] <HazRPG> because I'll stop if I am
[20:18] <HazRPG> if bandwidth is an issue (for those interested), its best to do your calculations as (76800*n)/2
[20:19] <HazRPG> where 76800 = default client value, n = users, and 2 = scale-down of 1/2
[20:19] <shauno> I don't think speex goes past 44k.  so twice that for two directions, and you've got absolute max
[20:19] <HazRPG> if that still seems too much change the 2 to a 3
[20:20] <nperry> Anyone got an idea on how to debug compiz?
[20:20] <nperry> Following the bugs wiki doesn't work :(
[20:20] <gord> nperry, does this not work? gdb --args compiz --replace
[20:20] <HazRPG> shauno: which is why I'm saying 1/2 or 1/3 scale-down is fine
[20:21] <nperry> gord: Feck! Forgot all about gdb!
[20:21] <nperry> Ty
[20:21] <HazRPG> shauno: the main reason I think mumble has more then 44k is to factor in latency
[20:23] <HazRPG> I could be wrong...
[20:30] <AlanBell> HazRPG: want to connect to my server and see if it sounds OK?
[20:30] <HazRPG> AlanBell: sure :)
[20:30] <AlanBell> sounded a bit crap with daubers earlier
[20:30] <AlanBell> mumble.libertus.co.uk
[20:31] <HazRPG> default port?
[20:31] <AlanBell> probably
[20:37] <HazRPG> woo!
[20:37] <AlanBell> yay
[20:37] <HazRPG> yeah, those settings should be fine
[20:38] <HazRPG> have fun :)
[20:40]  * AlanBell -> pub
[20:40] <HazRPG> AlanBell: \o/
[20:40]  * HazRPG goes back to his other mumble server
[20:40] <HazRPG> AlanBell: heh, they say gratz on getting it setup ^,^
[20:41] <HazRPG> wish I could get milkytracker to produce sound >_<
[20:41] <HazRPG> at least with GoatTracker I could
[20:42] <HazRPG> must be doing something wrong here
[21:13] <shauno> kinda quiet tonight
[21:14] <popey> Shhh!
[21:15] <daubers> Evening
[21:17] <nperry> Lets all do a barrel roll..
[21:17] <popey> ooo
[21:17] <popey> that makes me think i should play 1942
[21:18] <daubers> nperry: Far too much Lylat Wars for you!
[21:19] <nperry> co worker had it on his android...
[21:19] <daubers> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHZeW-RtHE4
[21:19] <nperry> didn't do much work today tbh
[21:20] <nucc1> i'm curious, just saw R. Moya's blog post. Is the only way to get Gnome3 in ubuntu 11.04 through a PPA?
[21:21] <daubers> Urgh, looks like I mmight be in next weeks Hairy Bikers episode
[21:21] <nperry> nucc1: At the moment yes, it was in the repos back during alpha 1
[21:22] <nperry> nucc1: can't remember the reason for pulling.. it should be back
[21:22] <nucc1> nperry, i sincerely hope it comes back at some point before release
[21:22] <nucc1> thanks
[21:22] <nperry> nucc1: There is a post explaining on ubuntu forums, in the natty section.. but it was closed due to trolling..
[21:23] <nucc1> i can imagine :p
[21:23] <daubers> some library conflict wasn't there?
[21:23] <nperry> heaven forbid something breaking unity iirc.
[21:24] <daubers> I've only had 1 major fail in Unity this week
[21:24] <daubers> It's really growing on me now too.
[21:25] <nperry> For some reason window decorations dont work on unmaximized gnome-terminal
[21:25] <dutchie> grr
[21:25] <nucc1> i've been relying on frederic crozat's usb image
[21:25] <dutchie> silly banshee
[21:25] <nucc1> i'm won by it.
[21:25] <dutchie> seems to be incapable of picking up the metadata for these cds
[21:25] <nperry> daubers: its useable, but I do like gnome3
[21:26] <daubers> nperry: Oh, I wouldn't have noticed that. Use terminator these days
[21:26] <nucc1> nperry, it may be a PPA only in the end: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-January/002740.html
[21:27] <nucc1> fingers crossed though. hope it works well, like official packages.
[21:28] <daubers> sounds like a relativley sensible engineering decision
[21:28] <nperry> nucc1: must of missed that some how.. by bad.
[21:28] <nperry> nucc1: tbh, if its not stable I would rather it not be in the repo at launch..
[21:29] <nucc1> daubers, it is sensible engineering decision, but one does feel sad at seeing it start falling down the priority list.
[21:29] <nperry> It wouldn't go down very well....never does once people get in a bad mood about ubuntu
[21:30] <daubers> nucc1: Can't do everything. Lots of things I wanted to do have fallen by the wayside in recent years.
[21:32] <nucc1> daubers, perfectly understood. i'm just speaking as someone who prefers Gnome3. I'm not really trying to blame anyone. In the worst case, I'd have to switch distros. But that's not a bridge I've arrived at yet.
[21:32] <nperry> All this gnome shell talk is making me want to try it
[21:32] <nperry> Time to install again
[21:33] <nucc1> nperry, try the live usb image http://gnome3.org/tryit.html
[21:33] <nucc1> it works quite well, one could use it for work.
[21:34] <daubers> nucc1: Someone'll probably package up Ubuntu with gnome3 instead of Unity at some point
[21:34] <nucc1> seems like the linuxmint guys plan to.
[21:34] <nucc1> and since it's based on ubuntu, it might make a very good candidate.
[21:34] <gord> unity is in all out bugfix mode now that we passed feature freeze, gonna rock :)
[21:35] <daubers> \o/
[21:35] <nperry> nucc1: I would but I live in the country side would take me 40mins to download
[21:36] <gord> linuxmint switched away from ubuntu didn't they?
[21:36] <gord> to debian
[21:36] <nucc1> nperry, lol.
[21:36] <nucc1> gord, they have both debian and ubuntu based branches
[21:36] <gord> haha
[21:36] <gord> really?
[21:36] <nucc1> i think so, last i checked (january)
[21:36] <nucc1> the debian one is based on testing, so it's like a rolling realease thing
[21:36] <gord> hehe, i'm gonna go change the default windows theme on an install to green one and claim thats linux mint windows branch
[21:37] <nucc1> incidentally, i don't fancy green themes :p
[21:37] <nucc1> lol
[21:37] <gord> no, me either, my computer is a computer not a plant
[21:37] <nucc1> i love the dark greys
[21:37] <nperry> haha, watching benidorm..."twiiter is like email, just a little bit hit or miss"
[21:38] <nucc1> nperry, what "up to" speed is your connection quoted as? :d
[21:40] <nperry> nucc1: they don't quote one
[21:40] <dutchie> ok, banshee has actually gone crazy
[21:41] <MartijnVdS> it does that
[21:41] <nperry> nucc1: the local exchange only serves 200 people
[21:41] <MartijnVdS> (a lot for me)
[21:41] <nperry> and thats 5 miles away :/
[21:41] <gord> banshee is geeeenerally okay for me, unless i try to play video
[21:41] <gord> which is a shame, i would love to play video with it
[21:41] <dutchie> it does seem to have got extraordinarily buggy over the last week
[21:41] <daubers> Video never works in banshee
[21:41] <daubers> for me anyway
[21:41] <nperry> thats waht vlc is for
[21:41] <gord> i can play one video, but after that no
[21:41] <nucc1> nperry, at least in the country side, you can play loud music without disturbing the entire block :p
[21:41] <daubers> nperry: mplayer ftw
[21:42] <nucc1> daubers, nperry mplayer/vlc to me are at feature parity. chosing either of the two might as well be left to a coin toss
[21:42] <nucc1> personally, i use gnome-mplayer, because i hate seeing QT apps on my desktop ;)
[21:43] <nucc1> they look too out of place
[21:43] <nperry> nucc1: funny you should say that... http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150224954625413&set=t.630452757&theater this is what we had last summer
[21:43] <Baikonur> i don't think i have any qt apps
[21:43] <nperry> nucc1: going to setup something bigger this year
[21:43] <nucc1> nperry, you're cheating!!!!!
[21:43] <nucc1> :(
[21:43] <nucc1> i'd give up my superfast cable internet for that, anyday :)
[21:44] <nucc1> i can't even turn up my tiny logitechs without feeling guilt.
[21:44] <nperry> plus if you walk 5mins through the woods behind you end up in longleat :/
[21:45] <nperry> we left the speakers on, drove for about 2 miles and could still hear the music clear enough to say who it was.
[21:46] <nucc1> :)
[21:47] <nperry> We're at the top of the village so it passes over the people in the valley
[21:47] <dutchie> i ought to report this bug
[21:47] <dutchie> but it is just too weird
[21:47] <dutchie> and there are too many too confusingly interlinked
[21:49] <nperry> Thankfully I'm a moc user.
[21:49] <dutchie> moc?
[21:49] <nperry> music on console
[21:49] <nperry> !info moc
[21:49] <lubotu3`> moc (source: moc): ncurses based console audio player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.5.0~alpha4+svn20091009-1build4 (maverick), package size 219 kB, installed size 644 kB
[21:50] <dutchie> i liked banshee when it worked
[21:53] <HazRPG> ah ha! Cracked the speed table mystery! Woo!
[22:33] <HazRPG> :)
[22:33] <HazRPG> shauno: you about?
[22:40] <shauno> sorta
[22:40] <MooDoo> not many people want to be team leader then :)
[22:41] <popey> yeah
[22:41] <popey> slackers
[22:41] <MooDoo> don't want it yourself again popey ?
[22:42] <popey> well given I'm already on the CC, LoCo Council, EMEA RMB.. I thought we might find someone else
[22:42]  * cbx33 is pretty darn happy today
[22:43] <MooDoo> well at this rate, looks like Alan has it in the bag :D
[22:43] <cbx33> someone forked my GITT project and started proofing it
[22:43] <popey> cbx33: hey hey, hows things?
[22:43] <cbx33> yeh great popey
[22:44] <cbx33> the bok is starting to gain a little traction
[22:46] <nucc1> cbx33, thank Og Maciel :p
[22:46] <cbx33> indeed
[22:46] <cbx33> Og is a very good friend of mine
[22:46] <cbx33> you are right it is pretty much all down to him :)
[22:47] <nucc1> once again proves that good ideas don't sell themselves
[22:47] <cbx33> nope
[22:47] <cbx33> not that I'm saying it IS a good idea
[22:47] <cbx33> :)
[22:47] <nucc1> ;)
[22:48] <cbx33> heheh
[22:48] <cbx33> but I think it'll be interesting to see how far I can take it
[22:52] <popey> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Mashable/~3/5lAOWblbdFQ/
[22:52] <popey> GNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
[22:52] <nucc1> a "git for humans" type book should be a helpful thing to have :)
[22:53] <dutchie> cbx33: that's yours?
[22:53] <dutchie> i did download it and was going to do a bit of proofreading myself :)
[22:55] <cbx33> dutchie, awesome
[22:55] <cbx33> yup that's mine
[22:55] <hamitron> evening all
[22:55] <cbx33> feel free to proof, add, modify etc :)
[22:56] <cbx33> bbiab
[23:20] <nucc1> cbx33, a "two thumbs up" is the best contribution i can make at the moment :p
[23:28] <HazRPG> am I missing something?
[23:28] <HazRPG> git for humans  book?
[23:30] <nucc1> HazRPG, https://github.com/cbx33/gitt
[23:31] <nucc1> can send you a pdf if you prefer :p
[23:31] <HazRPG> calibre should be able to parse the LaTex shouldn't it
[23:32] <nucc1> i wouldn't know...
[23:32] <dutchie> HazRPG: i'd be surprised...
[23:34] <nucc1> HazRPG, its easy enough to make a pdf. just clone the repo, and then run "make" in the gitt directory.
[23:34] <nucc1> simple enough, but arguably requires the human to know how to check out a git repository, and then know that they need to run "make".
[23:34] <nucc1> a chicken and egg problem.
[23:34] <nucc1> but, then again, one can argue that there always need to be minimum standards :)
[23:35] <HazRPG> nucc1: hmm, github does have a download button too though ^.^
[23:36] <HazRPG> make I can do though
[23:37] <HazRPG> just never used git or svn without a GUI before
[23:37] <nucc1> HazRPG, lol. my mind. it's playing tricks on me. I don't think i've ever noticed it :p
[23:37]  * HazRPG did checkout mangos from github using TortoiseGit
[23:37]  * nucc1 wonders about tortoises and mangoes.
[23:37] <HazRPG> nucc1: might be cos you've never needed to look for it ;)
[23:38] <nucc1> the name of the site kind of sets my mind into assuming that i need to git clone :p, and the display of the clone url in an ostensible place worsens it
[23:40] <cbx33> nucc1, agreed on the minimum standard problem
[23:40] <HazRPG> apparently I need pdflatex, and its not in apt-get
[23:40] <HazRPG> as far as I can see at least
[23:40] <cbx33> arguably this is not the "final" method of distrubution though
[23:41] <nucc1> HazRPG, you need latex tools. just install tetex-live? or so
[23:41] <nucc1> HazRPG, i don't know how i got mine, i installed lyx.
[23:41] <cbx33> HazRPG, yeh, it's not the package itself
[23:41] <cbx33> maybe Ishould change thewording
[23:41] <cbx33> I didn't wantto make it distro specific instructions
[23:42] <cbx33> as I said....at the moment, most of the people "getting" the book i would expect to be wanting to do some preproofing - or deving
[23:42] <nucc1> cbx33, it makes sense to include ubuntu instructions. that's the most popular distro.
[23:42] <cbx33> when i come to release it...it'll be PDF
[23:42] <nucc1> if you like, you can use the 3 most popular distros.
[23:42] <cbx33> and or buy it on some site
[23:42] <cbx33> good plan
[23:42] <cbx33> nucc1, I'll sort that out tomorrow
[23:43] <cbx33> gotta catch some sleep now
[23:43] <nucc1> sure thing.
[23:43] <HazRPG> nucc1, cbx33: ah
[23:43] <HazRPG> cbx33: later dude
[23:43] <cbx33> but thanks for the support guys
[23:43] <HazRPG> if I notice anything, what would you prefer me to do?
[23:43] <cbx33> fork on github
[23:43] <nucc1> cbx33, you're the one breaking your back :) he he
[23:44] <HazRPG> cbx33: sure :)
[23:44] <cbx33> HazRPG, there is also the html included in the repo
[23:44] <cbx33> but if you're going to edit - the LaTeX docs would be most helpful
[23:45] <cbx33> thanks so much guys :) - I hope to do some more "writing" tomorrow instead of admin :)
[23:45] <cbx33> hehehe
[23:45] <cbx33> peace out dude
[23:55] <|Dreams|> annyone tried new virgin super hub aka super shite?
[23:57] <nucc1> |Dreams|, what the heck is that?
[23:58] <|Dreams|> Viegin media knocking out new modem/router in one bag of shite
[23:58] <|Dreams|> virgn*
[23:58] <|Dreams|> dear my typos
[23:58] <|Dreams|> virgin media**
[23:58]  * HazRPG downloading texlive
[23:59] <|Dreams|> horrible piece of tech
[23:59] <|Dreams|> urgh
[23:59] <|Dreams|> wireless is rubbish, no advanced functions like dd-wrt
[23:59] <nucc1> is it a forced upgrade?