[00:00] I know technically I am wrong doing so, but I see no problem with me downloading the pdf of a book, if I have bought a hard copy [00:00] gord: calibre can do that though can't it? [00:00] oh also, just an aside, but someone made a text adventure game interpreter for the kindle too, so you can play zork on it.. [00:00] Internet! What licence should I use for something like http://j.mp/gBGHgW? MIT? BSD? WTFPL? Something else? [00:01] calibre can't run on a black and white tablet with weeks and weeks of battery life [00:01] HazRPG, it can, but that requires hooking up my kindle to the usb, honestly, i forget to do that or its a pain or whatever. its just nice to sit down and open my kindle and see the latest news [00:01] gord: haha nice [00:01] ali1234, calibre is something you run on your desktop, not your kindle/whatever [00:01] nos da everyone, sleep well [00:01] what's the point of that? i want the books on the tablet, not the desktop [00:02] yeah yeah, obtuse etc [00:02] because it syncs to your kindle... [00:02] brobostigon: night dude :) [00:02] well i agree with you. just download the stuff directly on the kindle [00:02] brobostigon: sleep well [00:02] i hate syncing stuff, it takes forever, i can never find the cable, blah blah [00:02] HazRPG: good night, sleep well. :) [00:03] it can also send an email with the books/content to your @amazon.co.uk email address, anything you send to that amazon converts and puts on your kindle [00:03] costs you money though [00:03] all cost :/ [00:03] considering the size of a ebook, and the size of memory cards, and the speed of 3g, there is absolutely no reason to ever "sync" with your desktop [00:03] ali1234: heh I have 2 usb cables constantly hooked to the back of my PC, so that I can either charge my phone or other devices; or for syncing data [00:04] ali1234, i don't follow that reasoning [00:04] are you suggesting you get all the content through the kindle browser? because thats a pain to use [00:04] ali1234: also, calibre can turn any site's feed into an ebook for use on your ebook reader [00:04] yes [00:04] I see no point in using 3G when you have WIFI ;) [00:05] i would rather get the stuff on my desktop, sync it to my kindle than use the kindle browser thanks [00:05] ereaders are not for reading RSS or anything like that [00:05] they are for reading books [00:05] average novel = what, 15kb? [00:05] mine is for reading rss and things like that [00:05] tv's are for reading RSS [00:05] ;) [00:06] amazon thinks so too, thats why you can subscribe to rss converted things [00:06] [Alan Pope] Ubuntu UK LoCo Team Leader Sought - http://popey.com/blog/2011/03/03/ubuntu-uk-loco-team-leader-sought/ [00:06] can you use a kindle without an amazon account? [00:06] * hamitron would hope you can upload pdf directly [00:07] or not? [00:07] see personally if there's a decent way to do it, I'd probably hook my calibre folder to a section on my site so I can just download the stuff I want as and when [00:07] when you buy a kindle from amazon it comes pre-setup with your account, i have no idea about if you buy one in a shop [00:07] gord: can you buy kindle's from a shop? [00:08] I was looking in waterstones the other day and I couldn't see any [00:08] you can in the US see them everywhere, no idea bout the UK [00:09] gord: I'm sure you can unlink your account though [00:10] :( the auto-accept chat perl script I got for pidgin doesn't work :( [00:11] my pidgin is acting ghey too [00:11] feezes with xfire addon :/ [00:11] freezes* [00:12] not on windows though ;/ [00:12] what do you guys think about this: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-March/003653.html [00:13] imo you want smaller than average margins [00:14] "It seems logical to say that PDFs should map 1:1 to the "virtual" pages of the reader software, while the other formats would have to have this format imposed (no pun intended) upon them when they are loaded." <-- ... what pun? [00:15] gord: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imposition [00:15] thats still not a pun :( [00:16] I don't see a need to dictate how many pages you view at once either [00:16] why not have that in settings? ;/ [00:17] mainly because it drastically increases the complexity of the software [00:17] bit of a bugger if you are reading a book with a diagram spread across 2 pages [00:17] right, but like i said, novels only [00:18] apart from the margins, I wouldn't care that much :/ [00:18] I think calibre crops/rotates photos so that they fit on one page [00:18] calibre does not follow all the rules that i set out in it's built in viewer [00:19] and pictures tend to be represented on a separate page anyways [00:19] ali1234: how so? [00:19] do many novels have pictures? [00:19] ;/ [00:20] front cover mainly [00:20] only half decent one I can think of is Food of the Gods [00:21] graphic novels are all pictures... [00:21] it is mainly text :) [00:21] just some rough drawings like a lab book [00:22] graphic novels? [00:22] The Food of the Gods [00:22] graphic novels tend to be like comics essentially [00:22] ah [00:23] I plan to put a few mangas on my kindle when I get one [00:24] they're all black & white anyway, so its fine :) [00:24] manga's work beautifully on kindles [00:24] perfect size [00:24] meh [00:24] HazRPG: it starts a new "page" for each section, but does not split sections into distinct pages [00:24] was disappointed when i tried on wifey's kindle [00:24] ali1234: oh yeah, I noticed that too - rather irritating [00:24] also it does not have reasonable sized margins, or a decent fullscreen mode [00:25] directhex: what's your thoughts? [00:25] gord: Awesome, I thought it would be :) [00:25] * hamitron would get a Dell Inspiron Duo [00:26] then i could use it for work also, on the move [00:26] netbooks are too heavy to use as a ereader imo [00:26] * HazRPG not a fan of laptops for prolonged use [00:26] * popey hasnt used his kindle since he's welcomed ipad into his house [00:26] the lenovo certainly is anyway [00:26] apple whore! [00:26] * hamitron points to door [00:27] ;) [00:27] meh [00:27] tried a duo, it's nicer construction than the lenovo but still too heavy [00:27] screen is very wobbly on the lenovo due to the hinge they used [00:27] ali1234: I am not weak and feable ;) [00:28] all these "heavy" comments just sound lazy imo [00:28] grr stupid ethernet over power, acting up lately. fustrating! [00:28] :/ [00:28] can't even stream SD content today [00:28] welcome to my world \o/ [00:29] *cringe* [00:29] your world sucks and i want no part in it. [00:29] yeh :) [00:29] ethernet over power just seems like a bad idea [00:29] well the ideapad weighs about 3 times what an ipad weighs... [00:29] when it works, it works fine [00:29] way more stable than wifi too [00:30] is it not better to use ethernet for data, and main power for power? [00:30] * HazRPG too much of a security/privacy whore [00:30] just switch to power over ethernet :) [00:30] i'm sure cat5 can handle 240VAC right? [00:30] some of us don't want ethernat cables all over their house [00:30] power can be used for both power and communication, so why not [00:30] rip up the floors [00:30] suppose :) [00:31] right, the only reason i don't use ethernet over power is it's too expensive and no standards [00:31] communication is essentially power... [00:31] is power over ethernet any good? [00:31] if i was rich with a nice house it would be a different story [00:31] because wifi sucks for reliability [00:31] ethernet cost me £35 [00:32] including all fittings [00:32] power over ethernet isn't meant to run your whole computer, just a WAP or something [00:32] see, I'm going to be doing a project to get ethernet ports around my house at some point when I get the time to map things out [00:32] HazRPG: best thing I did [00:32] :) [00:33] for me it was £35 for ethernet, or £300 for wifi [00:33] i know the second i did anything like that ethernet would be depreciated in favour of something else [00:33] been a cheap ass, I went for the first [00:33] if I can, I'm going to try and run the cabling under the floors (i.e. back of the wall and down) if I can... if not then just the good ol' wire around the walls and doors :) [00:33] I used loft space for most [00:34] just because it's deprecated does not mean you have to stop using it. unless you are an apple user. [00:34] :D [00:34] gord: ethernet will never be properly depreciated, unless fibre-optics gets cheap enough for everyone to be able to use it [00:35] I only have cat5e :( [00:35] hamitron: cat5e is perfectly fine dude [00:35] hamitron: cat6 is still way too expensive compared to cat5e [00:35] I didn't know of cat6 at the time [00:36] was it around 9 years ago? [00:38] cat7 was created in 2002, so i would say so [00:38] well I priced it out, for a roll of 100m cat6 was like £30, but for a roll of 300m cat5e was £24 [00:39] oh wait maybe i read wikipedia wrong [00:39] gord: I didn't research it properly, I just looked at what I could buy :) [00:39] it was very much coax vs cat5 vs cat5e [00:39] hamitron, as would i! you just peaked my interest so i started reading the pedia's [00:39] wicked [00:40] :) [00:40] cat6a was defined in 2008 [00:40] so now I waste the time of others as well as myself \o/ [00:41] I was never sure if to fit shielded or unshielded [00:42] I went for unshielded eventually [00:42] gord: hmm, I'm pretty sure cat7 hasn't been around that long [00:45] time for my daily gaming fix I think [00:45] :) [00:45] hamitron: ooo, what you planning on playing? [00:45] minecraft [00:45] haha [00:45] :P [00:47] as far as I know cat6 and cat6a/e are pretty much similar to 802.11n - hard to find TRUE versions and not just the drafted ones [01:10] 1Gbps sounds fast enough for me [01:46] hi [01:47] hello fellow night lurker :P [01:48] :) night is so early so far... it's time for coffee :P [01:49] * szymon_g is listening to: Various Artists - Master of Celebration - Clean [02:14] woot! http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/music/c64/Tune1-v0.1.sid [02:16] whats that? [02:19] muhahhahahaha [02:19] ordered my new comp bits [02:19] :) [02:19] szymon_g: song I'm working on ^^ [02:19] go hamitron! [02:19] * HazRPG makes transformers sound [02:20] gonna be weird with plenty of RAM [02:20] how much will you get? [02:20] I normally skimp on memory on an upgrade, but maxed out the motherboard this time [02:21] 8Gb [02:21] nice. is it 2x4gb or 4x2? [02:21] 2x4gb [02:21] ddr2 or ddr3? [02:21] ddr3 [02:21] it is an ITX motherboard [02:21] :) [02:21] ah, nice. i had 4x2gb, but faulty mobo made one of them unusable [02:22] oh, thatx to small. size matters after all ;) [02:22] *that's [02:22] haha [02:22] well, this is sort of a temp upgrade for gaming atm [02:22] with an i3 [02:22] will then later use this as a small form factor pc [02:22] sandy bridge? [02:22] no [02:23] 1156 than :? [02:23] yep [02:23] well... good choice (till new mobos /with fixed chipset/ will be out) [02:23] yeh [02:23] *new mobos = SB [02:24] but tbh, no point in waiting for Sandybridge for itx [02:24] indeed [02:24] most of the boards won't take the i5 [02:24] szymon_g: did you download that sid file I uploaded? [02:25] i3 is a little better ofc, but I want something now ;) [02:25] HazRPG : yes, but, to be honest, i have no idea how to open it. i'm running windows now :) [02:26] :) [02:26] any chance for mp3/ogg or anything like that :)? [02:26] do either of you 2 game on 64 bit? [02:26] hamitron : windows or linux? [02:26] windows [02:26] * szymon_g (a bit) [02:27] do older games work? [02:27] you can mostly game on 64-bit windows [02:27] as long as you don't want to play any games from a specific era between around 1995 and 1998 [02:27] depending how old. if they use 16 bit stuff- than not [02:27] (i.e. not without emulation) [02:27] atm I have 2 gaming rigs, 1 with win98 and other with xp [02:27] basically, anything for windows with any 16-bit code (e.g. older installshield) cannot be touched [02:28] older, and you can use dosbox. newer, and there's no 16-bit [02:28] it is the xp games I am wondering about [02:28] :) [02:28] xp's only a decade old [02:28] but, to be honest- i had (so far) only one problem caused by 64bitness- when i tried to autorun a multimedia program on audio cd from 1999 [02:28] reason I ask, some games state they have "no support" for 64 bit [02:28] you're likely to have more issues with %PROGRAMFILES% rewriting than with 64-bit [02:29] with the exception of a few scattered titles [02:29] :| [02:29] I better not have wasted my time getting 64 bit ready [02:29] e.g. i can't get railway tycoon 3 to run. but i don't know if that's 64-bit or w7 [02:29] or I will go cry to MS [02:30] hmmm [02:30] as long as it's not xp64, you shouldn't really notice the difference for post-win95 games. [02:30] fingers crossed [02:30] :) [02:30] wait [02:30] i just remembered one [02:30] codecs. [02:30] >< [02:31] games which use weirdo video codecs, e.g. for cutscenes, might be unhappy about 64-bit [02:31] specifically thief 1, thief 2, and system shock 2, which all use the discontinued Indeo 5 codec [02:31] if I need 3 comps lined up to play my games, I will be annoyed [02:31] the games run, but the cut scenes won't play [02:31] oh, that's the other point, you'll find games which crap themselves on a dual-core or better cpu [02:31] k [02:32] e.g. broken sword 4 [02:32] or thief [02:32] I do have a few with intros that use that [02:32] o.O [02:32] you can force windows to boot single-core for those games [02:33] may disable hyperthreading [02:33] be interesting to see how I find it [02:33] i've had more games with multi-core problems, or high-clock-speed problems, than with 64-bit problems [02:33] I've read mixed opinions :) [02:34] :/ [02:34] a few games are unfinishable with a fast cpu. blade runner, for example [02:34] I was hoping to dedicate my 2.2ghz c2d to linux [02:34] new comp to new games [02:34] k6-2 500mhz to old games [02:34] :) [02:36] i have one game that won't run on XP or higher :/ [02:36] and one game that won't run on monitors larger than about 1650x1080 [02:37] I have a lot that won't run on non-9x OS [02:37] and ssome are picky with widescreen [02:38] omg, excited :D === Azelphur is now known as zz_Azelphur === zz_Azelphur is now known as Azelphur [02:51] anyone know how many crtc the nvidia 240 has? [02:52] i would guess only 2 [02:53] crtc? [02:53] number of simultaneous outputs [02:54] I'd guess 2 [03:18] ouuu [03:18] http://www.ebuyer.com/product/124390 [03:18] that looks good fun and value [03:18] :) [03:19] if I hadn't just burnt money other stuff would get it [03:19] ^on [03:42] nn o/ [03:56] ali1234: erm... I'm sure there's one that does 3 [05:18] morning === ubuntuuk-planet5 is now known as ubuntuuk-planet [06:50] goooood morning everyone [07:03] g'morning [07:03] it's too early *grumble* [07:03] morning [07:03] haha ive been up for a couple of hours [07:44] heyhey [07:48] morning [07:50] hey AlanBell \ [07:50] ive got a question [07:51] im using gpodder to download my podcasts [07:51] i tucks every episode neatly in its own directory [07:51] but im looking for a way to copy over the 2 latest episodes of every podcast to another directory === imexil1 is now known as imexil [07:52] I can list up the episodes of every directory using ls -rt [07:53] and then pipe that output to tail-2 [07:54] but after that im a little lost as to how to copy over that 'selection' [07:54] do you have any idea ? [07:57] knightwise: Why dont you just write a small bash script? [07:57] FILES2COPY=`ls -rt | tail -2` [07:58] those are backticks, not single quotes. [07:58] aaah thats where i went wrong [07:58] ill try that, holdon [07:58] or you could just pipe and pipe I guess, but IMHO a script is just as easy and you can debug it easier. [07:59] Speed doesn't seem like an essential requirement in this instance. [07:59] nope [07:59] i just want to copy the stuff overnight [08:01] so its cp 'ls -rt | tail -2' /targetdirectory === sam__ is now known as Ssam === Ssam is now known as Synth_sam [08:06] knightwise: That works but you need backticks. [08:07] ok, ill look for backticks :) stupid apple keyboard [08:08] Morning all [08:09] On a "normal" UK kbd they are on the `¬| key (left of the 1) [08:11] cp -av 'ls -rt | tail-2' /destinationfolder [08:11] would that do it ( with backticks) [08:12] * AlanBell passes knightwise a ` to copy [08:12] thanx :) [08:12] the -av will keep the file perms and the -v will give you vebosity [08:13] im on an ipad with a bleutooth keyboard via an ssh connection [08:13] i have cross platform issues ;p [08:13] you should put some gloves on knightwise , just to make it more "interesting" ;) [08:14] tail options used in invalid context ? [08:14] tugrik: feels like i have them on allready [08:15] Your command worked here knightwise (with `s) [08:15] strange , ill try again [08:15] alord@lobsang:~/test1$ cp `ls -rt | tail -2` ../test2 [08:15] alord@lobsang:~/test1$ ls [08:15] file1 file2 [08:15] alord@lobsang:~/test1$ ls ../test2 [08:15] file1 file2 [08:16] its the backticks, ill dive into it [08:16] i think you want "ls -rt --format single-column" [08:16] Stupid apple keyboard .p [08:16] popey: You mentioned problems with Chrome yesterday, I wonder if this is anything to do with it http://blog.chromium.org/2011/03/gpu-acceleration-old-drivers.html [08:28] cp -av ’ls -rt | tail -3’ /home/cardinalzero/testfolder2/ [08:28] tail: option used in invalid context -- 3 [08:28] cp: option requires an argument -- 't' [08:28] thats odd ? [08:28] Still not backticks. [08:28] ` [08:29] not ' [08:29] really ? Fraxk [08:29] * knightwise copies TheOpenSourcerer backticks [08:29] cp -av `ls -rt | tail -3` /home/cardinalzero/testfolder2/ [08:30] YES ! [08:30] that works :) [08:30] now i have one more question :) [08:30] gpodder downloads the podcasts in the /podcast folder [08:30] "why did I buy a Mac?" [08:31] Im running 10.10 on it ! [08:31] http://www.knightwise.com/kwtv-screencast/804-kwtv-0022-qubuntu-on-a-macbook-airq [08:32] gpodder downloads the podcasts in /podcasts [08:32] nice :) [08:32] but downloads each podcast into its own directory /podcasts/podcast1 /podcasts/podcast2 etc [08:33] Damnit. Somebody deleted nvnews.net [08:33] do i need to write a different line in the script for every subfolder ? [08:34] or is there some kind of recursive command that can say "get the 3 most recent files in EVERY subfolder of /podcasts/* and copy those over ? [08:34] knighwise have you tried ls -rtR ? [08:34] i'll try [08:35] You might find "find" to be a better option though. [08:38] Morning [08:44] Morning daubers [08:46] Hmmm, overlay scroll bars look interesting [08:51] Heh, when working on my mac now, i keep moving the mouse to the top left to access the dock.... [08:53] daubers: I do things like that at work where I use XP when I go to close app's expecting the "X" to be in the top left === directhe` is now known as directhex [09:08] Greetings earthlings [09:09] morning bigcalm :) [09:10] * DJones sets Sigourney Weaver on the alien bigcalm [09:10] Hi :) [09:10] * knightwise befriens bigcalm : All hail our alien overlords [09:11] * knightwise trades DJones Sigoury for a mega sexy wiyona [09:12] Awww. Is this how you treat all hyperintelligent pan-dimensional beings? [09:13] * bigcalm squeeks [09:13] nah bigcalm most of the time we blow you to bits while you're still in orbit , right DJones ? [09:14] * bigcalm goes to make a mug of tea substitute [09:14] knightwise: Sounds about right, although rather than hyperintelligent pan-dimensional beings, I was thinking more of Star Trek tribbles :) [09:15] facehuggers! [09:15] morning all [09:15] "did you take of your panties or is that a tribble ?" [09:15] * screen-x has a replication server called tribble :) [09:16] *rolleyes* [09:16] knightwise: I think thats lowering the tone of the channel a bit too much [09:16] true [09:16] it was a close shave [09:16] i'll behave [09:18] rage. [09:21] i think i got an answer to my recursive copy problem [09:21] Morning. [09:22] but its a php script (i think) so i dont know if i can use it in a bash script [09:22] * screen-x sooths directhex [09:22] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10520015#post10520015 [09:22] knightwise: if you have php-cli installed, you can run php from the cli :) [09:22] screen-x, it'll take several hundred quid to soothe this one ¬_¬ [09:22] ok , i'll install it :) [09:23] just need to put #!/usr/bin/php instead of #!/bin/bash [09:23] directhex: my RoK budget doesn't have that much in it unfortunately :( [09:23] *RAoK [09:24] /usr/bin/php: bad interpreter: No such file or directory [09:24] Why is Friday traffic either so good or so bad? [09:24] so sudo apt-get php ? [09:24] /usr/bin/php5 [09:24] apt-get install php5-cli [09:25] the cli doesn't come with php IIRC [09:25] indeed [09:25] running it now :) [09:25] Which is why I said that it needs to be installed [09:25] Just forgot the 5 :) [09:25] There might be a meta package without numbers? [09:26] not in debian, I don't think in ubuntu [09:26] Fair enough [09:27] I think they did that intentionally because 4 & 5 can be installed concurrently [09:27] Indeed [09:27] yeah [09:27] and, more pertinently, people didn't suddenly want their php4 code failing under php5 :) [09:28] * bigcalm grumbles [09:28] php5 should still be symlinked to /usr/bin/php though [09:28] I know of 3 clients' servers' still running php4 [09:29] marxjohnson: it will be, once he's installed php5(-cli) :) [09:29] yeah that's what I meant [09:29] so the shebang i suggested should still work [09:30] rather than having to do /usr/bin/php5, although that'll work too [09:32] http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/03/04/bsa-supporting-free-open-source-software/ [09:33]