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| Daekdroom | I don't quite understand why unity-panel-service only grabs metacity theme from Ambiance and Radiance, even if you use those window borders with other GTK themes | 01:33 |
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| bcurtiswx | kenvandine, you still there? | 01:40 |
| === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth | ||
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| htorque | hello everyone, i got a small invisible (desktop-blocking) window on every workspace - is this a known problem? | 10:57 |
| htorque | unfortunately i have no idea what i did to cause it. here's its xwininfo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/575909/ | 10:58 |
| hytreem | hi | 11:44 |
| hytreem | im on 10.10 and wanna try out the latest appmenu | 11:44 |
| hytreem | how would i do that? | 11:45 |
| hytreem | ok nevermind | 11:55 |
| hytreem | i downloaded the appmenu | 11:55 |
| hytreem | how do i install it? | 11:55 |
| hytreem | HELLO? | 12:02 |
| kklimonda | !weekend | 12:03 |
| ubot5 | It's a weekend. Often on weekends the paid developers and a lot of the community may not be around to answer your question. Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would or try again during the working week. | 12:03 |
| ion | O HAI | 12:03 |
| hytreem | hey | 12:08 |
| === robtaylo1 is now known as robtaylor | ||
| Omega | I see Unity talk in here all the time, but never Ayatana talk. | 15:44 |
| Omega | Does anyone know if there is a way to flush the notify-senf buffer? | 17:04 |
| Omega | notify-send even. | 17:56 |
| hytreem | hi | 21:33 |
| hytreem | will ubuntu once be a paid OS like windows or macosx? | 21:33 |
| hyperair | no. | 21:35 |
| hyperair | what gives you that idea? | 21:35 |
| Omega | No, it will not, more information here: http://www.ubuntu.com/project | 21:39 |
| Daekdroom | That is one of the most absurd questions I've ever seen here | 21:42 |
| Omega | D< Omega> How do you escape a ' in sh? I can't do '\'' | 21:43 |
| Omega | Oops. | 21:43 |
| Omega | It could be an honest question, no need to attack hytreem. | 21:43 |
| Daekdroom | Well, it could. | 21:44 |
| hytreem | it is | 21:44 |
| hytreem | i have read a lot of articles about ubuntu | 21:44 |
| hytreem | and some say that the way things are going now in the ubuntu project it will be a paid OS | 21:44 |
| achiang | from the front page of ubuntu.com - "Ubuntu is, and always will be, absolutely free." | 21:45 |
| hytreem | that's just a promise though | 21:45 |
| Daekdroom | That's a premise from the project | 21:45 |
| hytreem | and there won't be a paid version? | 21:45 |
| Daekdroom | It's not named Ubuntu because the name looks cool or anything (does it? :p). There's a philosophy behind it | 21:45 |
| hytreem | and a free version we'll use? | 21:46 |
| hytreem | i know but these articles are scary | 21:46 |
| hytreem | they say that ubuntu now tries to be the cool kid on campus so it generates a lot of popularity and then when it's like fully ready to compete with osx and windows it'll be a paid OS | 21:46 |
| Omega | hytreem: The community would never allow that to happen. | 21:51 |
| hytreem | are you sure? | 21:51 |
| Omega | If that is on the horizon the project will be forken, probably under a new name. | 21:51 |
| Omega | Yes. | 21:51 |
| hytreem | one blog post earlier said that the community is becoming less important | 21:51 |
| Omega | forked* | 21:51 |
| Omega | But the software is still free software. | 21:52 |
| Omega | The source code has to be released alongside the binaries. | 21:52 |
| Omega | And with that someone can build a free Ubuntu (if it becomes paid) | 21:52 |
| hytreem | so i dont have to worry at all? i can keep using ubuntu FOREVER FOR FREE? | 21:52 |
| Omega | Yep. | 21:53 |
| Omega | Forever. | 21:53 |
| hytreem | and for free? | 21:53 |
| Omega | I guarantee you that. | 21:53 |
| Omega | Correct. | 21:53 |
| hytreem | like not paying any money? | 21:53 |
| Omega | No money at all. | 21:53 |
| hytreem | wow | 21:53 |
| hytreem | why are there articles about this then? | 21:53 |
| Omega | And the free isn't only gratis, but also be able to look at the internals of ubuntu. | 21:53 |
| Omega | And share ubuntu. | 21:53 |
| Omega | With anyone you want | 21:53 |
| hyperair | hytreem: you can't believe everything you read online. | 21:54 |
| hyperair | boycottnovell write articles too | 21:54 |
| hyperair | ridiculous article that do nothing but spread lies | 21:54 |
| hytreem | i know hyperair, but it's not just 1 | 21:54 |
| hytreem | "boycottnovell"? | 21:54 |
| hyperair | boycottnovell.com | 21:54 |
| Omega | hytreem: The articles you read are talking about something different (if the ones you are talking about are the ones I think you are) | 21:54 |
| Omega | They are probably talking about the governance of the Ubuntu project. | 21:55 |
| hytreem | Omega, yes that too, and then it tries to predict the future which often seems to look bad, the opposite of what the site promises and what you promised too | 21:55 |
| hytreem | hyperair, that site redirected me to another site | 21:56 |
| hyperair | journalists like to do that. it generates readership. | 21:56 |
| Omega | No, these two things are different. | 21:56 |
| Omega | The promise is about the Ubuntu project always being free. | 21:56 |
| hyperair | hytreem: right, techrights has taken over the job of spewing garbage. | 21:56 |
| Omega | The articles are talking about the community's role in Ubuntu's governance. | 21:57 |
| hyperair | which article are we talking about anyway? | 21:57 |
| hytreem | Omega, yes | 21:57 |
| hytreem | and then it goes on to say that the community will end up having been a puppet that has popularized the by then paid OS | 21:57 |
| hyperair | hytreem: could you give us a link? | 21:58 |
| Omega | I don't know what article you have been reading then. | 21:58 |
| hyperair | i'm now interested in seeing who wrote that. | 21:58 |
| Omega | The ones I read were well written and not sensationalist. | 21:58 |
| hytreem | i've read tons by googling but i'll bring out one, hold on | 21:59 |
| Omega | (Actually, I attended the meeting) | 21:59 |
| hytreem | http://skitterman.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/business-opportunity-in-ubuntu/ | 21:59 |
| vish | hytreem: that says nothing about Ubuntu being sold ;) | 21:59 |
| hytreem | comments also contribute to my summarization | 21:59 |
| vish | even about , anytime in the future | 21:59 |
| hytreem | hold on i'll give more | 22:00 |
| hyperair | hytreem: you need to read the entire conversation in context. | 22:00 |
| hytreem | he has quoted? | 22:00 |
| Omega | Yes. | 22:00 |
| Omega | There was a meeting a few days ago. | 22:00 |
| hyperair | hytreem: i have come to believe that 80% of the people who post comments are idiots, or are masquerading as idiots. | 22:00 |
| vish | ++++++++++++++ | 22:01 |
| hyperair | one idiot will come up with some preposterous idea | 22:01 |
| hyperair | the rest will follow like sheep. | 22:01 |
| hyperair | and then everyone turns into an idiot. | 22:01 |
| hytreem | that is very likely yes | 22:01 |
| hyperair | the remaining 20% choose to stay silent, because it's like trying to fight off a sharkfest | 22:01 |
| Omega | hytreem: Do you have any more questions? | 22:02 |
| vish | comments section is like folks trying to audition to become a standup comedian | 22:02 |
| Omega | If you do, don't be afraid of asking. | 22:02 |
| hytreem | you guys have convinced me i must say | 22:02 |
| hytreem | the community can drop the project and fork away | 22:02 |
| hyperair | there's always debian to run to in the event of a crisis. | 22:03 |
| Omega | Yes, anyone can fork. | 22:03 |
| hyperair | but i don't believe crisis will come. | 22:03 |
| Omega | That is the beauty of Free Software :) | 22:03 |
| hytreem | Omega, actually i have but it has nothing to do with this, when do you see programs like ProTools coming to Ubuntu? | 22:03 |
| hyperair | what's protools? | 22:03 |
| hyperair | ah, don't we have jokosher? | 22:04 |
| vish | i think he means the adobe ones.... | 22:04 |
| Omega | Yes and Ardour | 22:04 |
| hyperair | yeah | 22:04 |
| hytreem | hyperair, good for bringing that up, i also read some more neutral posts about the trouble relationship between debian and ubuntu, any ideas on that? | 22:04 |
| hyperair | hytreem: my impression is that ubuntu developers in general don't resent debian | 22:04 |
| hytreem | ProTools is what a friend of mine uses on his Mac to produce high quality music, there are some well known artists who solely use that | 22:05 |
| hyperair | and that a miniscule percentage of debian developers resent ubuntu. | 22:05 |
| hytreem | resent? | 22:05 |
| Omega | The relationship isn't really bad to be honest. The Ubuntu Community Council consists of many Debian Developers. | 22:05 |
| hyperair | https://encrypted.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=define%3Aresent&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 | 22:05 |
| hyperair | yes, the relationship between ubuntu and debian is actually really good | 22:05 |
| hytreem | a common statement i have read is that and i quote: ubuntu profits of all the work done at debian | 22:06 |
| hyperair | and many ubuntu developers, myself included highly recommend pushing fixes as far upstream as possible, which include to debian | 22:06 |
| vish | encrypted.google.com !!! | 22:06 |
| * vish reads more about it.. | 22:06 | |
| hyperair | hytreem: that's probably something you read from some noisy idiot in some comment. | 22:06 |
| Omega | vish: http://duckduckgo.com :) | 22:06 |
| hyperair | vish: heheh i use https-everywhere. | 22:06 |
| Omega | hytreem: That is not really accurate, we all stand on the shoulders of giants, it's what open source is all about, sharing. | 22:07 |
| hyperair | vish: incidentally, i get secure.wikimedia.org as well. | 22:07 |
| hyperair | vish: when accessing wiki stuff i mean | 22:07 |
| hytreem | so i have nothing to worry about? other than protools coming to ubuntu? | 22:07 |
| hytreem | Omega, when do you see that happening btw? | 22:07 |
| vish | meh, i think i'll let the system absorb me :-D | 22:07 |
| vish | too much hassle;.. | 22:08 |
| hytreem | it will likely not become opensource | 22:08 |
| hyperair | vish: it won't be too much hassle when someone wielding firesheep steals your session cookies over wifi | 22:08 |
| Omega | Hah, firesheep, it's been possible long before the shiny GUI :P | 22:08 |
| vish | ;p | 22:08 |
| hyperair | or when someone serves you upsidedownternet via arpspoof. | 22:08 |
| hyperair | Omega: yeah, i know, but firesheep made it available to the skiddies. | 22:09 |
| hytreem | what's a skiddie? | 22:09 |
| hyperair | script kiddie. | 22:09 |
| hytreem | oh | 22:09 |
| Omega | hytreem: I do not know, you can look at free software alternatives in the meantime, like Jokosher and Ardour. | 22:09 |
| hyperair | https://encrypted.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=define%3Ascript+kiddie&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 | 22:09 |
| hytreem | Omega, i have tried those but the problem is that they are not advanced enough | 22:10 |
| hyperair | even ardour? i hear that was pretty damn awesome though | 22:10 |
| hytreem | from what I have seen from my friend, he connected a small keyboard to his mac, chose to play a certain type of beat and repeated that for a while and he had a song | 22:11 |
| hyperair | hytreem: well, i suggest systematically highlighting the missing features and filing feature request bug reports on ardour. =p | 22:11 |
| hyperair | that should really be possible with ardour as well, i think | 22:11 |
| hyperair | sounds like a pretty basic feature | 22:12 |
| hyperair | but i haven't actually tried | 22:12 |
| hytreem | if that would be true hyperair I could become a musician | 22:12 |
| hyperair | well have fun then =p | 22:12 |
| hytreem | now I can't because I cannot afford a mac with protools | 22:12 |
| * hyperair gave up on making music. | 22:12 | |
| hyperair | i much prefer listening to music | 22:13 |
| hytreem | i like both | 22:13 |
| Omega | hytreem: With Ubuntu we want to make sure this never happens to anyone, that's why it's free :) | 22:13 |
| * hyperair is happy to make music with frets on fire though | 22:13 | |
| hytreem | what do you mean with "this omega? | 22:13 |
| Omega | < hytreem> now I can't because I cannot afford a mac with protools | 22:13 |
| hytreem | yes | 22:13 |
| hytreem | oh | 22:14 |
| hytreem | i understand | 22:14 |
| hytreem | well omega | 22:15 |
| hytreem | i cannot afford a mac to be more precisely | 22:15 |
| hytreem | i could afford protools | 22:15 |
| hyperair | get hackintosh ;-) | 22:15 |
| hytreem | and a small keyboard to connect | 22:15 |
| Omega | Give ardour a try. | 22:15 |
| hytreem | i heard it wouldn't run well because i have suckish hardware | 22:15 |
| hytreem | ok Omega | 22:15 |
| hytreem | ardour seems to use something weird for the menu bar | 22:17 |
| hytreem | will it be a supported program for the next ubuntu version? | 22:18 |
| hyperair | hmm it's 6am here. i better sleep before the sun rises | 22:18 |
| * hyperair grins, showing off his fangs | 22:18 | |
| Omega | hytreem: If you have further questions, ask them in #ubuntu, if you have ardour questions, ask in #ardour. | 22:26 |
| hytreem | ok | 22:26 |
| hytreem | thank you | 22:26 |
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