=== Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [03:53] good morning :) [04:41] hi c2tarun [04:42] hi Daskreech [04:45] * Daskreech waves [08:51] * c2tarun don't miss me too much ;) ♥ [08:51] * c2tarun is back. [09:16] morning [09:19] bambee: morning [09:19] :) [09:35] valorie: always glad to help out :) [09:35] Does anyone has a netbook with an omap4 here ? I'm looking for a netbook these days (my laptop is old now), and I think a netbook ARM-based is a good idea... [09:36] bambee: agateau has one IIRC [09:36] dunno if it's OMAP based [09:36] (I've an android phone with a cortex-A8-based it rocks seriously...) [09:36] but he has a ARM notebook [09:36] bambee: ARM notebooks are *slim* [09:38] by netbook I mean, a slim, small, fast "laptop" which rocks with an high battery life [09:41] shadeslayer: I hope we can get the phonon backends backported also [09:41] but thanks again for your help [09:56] valorie: only if ScottK gives the go ahead :) [10:01] o/ [10:02] right [10:02] I wouldn't dare try to sneak behind ScottK's back! [10:02] I would like to have an ARM netbook at some point - although I can live with my eeePC for now [10:03] he might whack me with his cane [10:03] and I'd have to defend myself with my knitting needles [10:57] FYI: konq-plugins-l10n (4:4.4.0-2ubuntu3~maverick1~ppa1) can (and does) block the upgrade to 4.6.1 [10:57] dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-l10n-engb_4%3a4.6.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/khtmlsettingsplugin.mo', which is also in package konq-plugins-l10n 4:4.4.0-2ubuntu3~maverick1~ppa1 [11:09] Tm_T: interesting, I guess we need to upggrade konq-plugins to 4.6.1 and add breaks/replaces to the kde-l10n-* packages [11:10] yofel: ^ [11:11] +1 [11:12] I couldn't upload 2 translations anyway since the PPA ran out of space so I can upload new translations once launchpad gives me some space again [11:13] * yofel looks at the konq-plugins tar again [11:22] debfx: so just use konq-plugins 4.6.1 as it is? Since it's missing a few plugins and the docs compared to 4.4.0 - and I don't know much about konq-plugins [11:23] yofel: which plugins are missing? [11:24] crashes/ mediarealfolder/ sidebar/ and smbmounter/ [11:33] gnaaaaaaaaa [11:34] I've built all kde-l10n packages only to notice that they are not in the kubuntu package set [11:35] o.O [11:35] so launchpad reject all the uploads [11:35] heh [11:37] * debfx refuses to do any kubuntu development until that package set is fixed [11:38] well, we can look at konq-plugins then, no hurry though, as we can't upload anything to backports currently anyway [11:47] hey, guys. I have a problem with installing Qt application, because I can't install required qt-lib. is this a good channel to ask for help? [11:47] which library is required? [11:47] webdevbyjoss: ^^ [11:48] I'm installing application that depends on "libqt4-multimedia", but there is no such package for current lib-qt https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/i386/libqt4-multimedia, what can I do in order to install my application? [11:48] I'm taking ab out 4.7 [11:48] I can't downgrade to 4.6 as I have already lot of application that depends on 4.7 [11:49] libqt4-multimedia is in beta right now and required libqtcore4 (= 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1) [11:50] but I have a latest "libqtcore4" available from the repository [11:50] no, that was the latest version that shipped it, from 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu2: [11:50] - Drop multimedia package, QtMultimediaKit in QtMobility replaces it [11:51] yofel: hey can you please help me with a small c++ program for Qt. I asked on #qt but that channel seems to be empty :( [11:51] thanks [11:52] webdevbyjoss: so either the application package is too old or you're running a too new Qt package for your release [11:54] I think the package is quite old, but its a latest available from that program, "simon_0.3.0-1ubuntu3_i386-1.deb" and it depends on libqt4-multimedia. [11:54] so possibly I'll contact developer of that program and discuss that with him [11:55] c2tarun: looking, but I haven't done any qt programmin in a while so give me a bit [11:55] just to make everything clear - so there is no any way to install program that depends on "libqt4-multimedia" in ubuntu 10.10? [11:56] yofel: no problem just take a look at http://paste.kde.org/6537/ I wrote three programs and the error with them [11:56] c2tarun: yeah, I saw your paste in #qt [11:57] yofel: so any clue :( about where I am wrong? [12:00] dude [12:00] c2tarun: lrn2forwarddeclare classes [12:00] :P [12:02] shadeslayer: you can still do that after it works :P [12:02] and does QWindow come from QtGui? [12:03] does'nt look like it [12:04] uh [12:05] c2tarun: i don't see a class called QWindow [12:05] c2tarun: http://paste.kde.org/6539/ [12:05] but it needs to be done that way ^^ [12:05] shadeslayer: got it, fixed it, it should be QWidget :/ [12:06] see :P [12:06] c2tarun: so replace QWindow with QWidget in that paste there [12:07] shadeslayer: done :) but still I am not getting anyoutput on executing the executive file :( I guess there is no show called anywhere. [12:07] setLayout(layout).show(); -- > better change that to : this->setLayout(layout).show(); [12:07] wait a second [12:07] np = new Notepad(); [12:07] what after that ? [12:07] you haven't showed the Application [12:07] np->show() i'd say [12:08] ( You allocate the memory / instantiate it, but don't make it show up ) [12:09] shadeslayer: finally got an small cute window :) which function can be used to quit? [12:10] the 'x' at the top? [12:10] shadeslayer: I want to quit by clicking the button. [12:10] ah [12:11] implement the quit() slot? [12:12] c2tarun: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qpushbutton.html#public-slots [12:12] there's no Quit slot for QPushButton [12:12] again ... use QtCreator to fix0r your code [12:13] shadeslayer: I did first but if I dont declare Notepad::quit() than I am getting an error. I'll use QtCreator after getting little bit aquainted with Qt :) [12:13] c2tarun: er what? [12:14] shadeslayer: this error moc_notepad.cpp:(.text+0x5f): undefined reference to `Notepad::quit()' [12:14] that's because you didn't include the moc [12:15] and add #ifndef and #define for your header [12:16] shadeslayer: I included it first, let me do it again. [12:16] c2tarun: did you go through the Qt examples given in the docs? [12:17] shadeslayer: I was at 2nd example of tutorial when faced this problem [12:18] hm .. [12:18] shadeslayer: you mean header file this way? http://pastebin.com/N0d69wu1 [12:19] yes [12:19] wait [12:19] c2tarun: #ifndef NOTEPAD_H [12:19] same thing for #define [12:20] shadeslayer: will you believe I saw same convention in a example and thought it as a mispring ;( [12:20] c2tarun: IMHO you should also read a tutorial on best practices in c++ (like the include protection shadeslayer is just talking about) [12:20] aye [12:21] yofel: sure I'll go for that too. [12:21] and moc [12:21] shadeslayer: what is moc? [12:21] c2tarun: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/moc.html [12:22] shadeslayer: thanks :) [12:59] c2tarun: paste the cpp too please [12:59] well so the cpp should contain the constructor and Notepad::quit() implemented :) [14:02] shadeslayer: how's neon doing? would it be an interesting idea to announce it at conf.kde.in ? [14:04] so publishing on dot at the same time as your talk [14:04] making your talk the big launch [14:13] debfx: If you have a moment, I'd appreciate a hand with the kde-look/apps watch file you helped me out with a while ago. kbackup just did a new upstream release and the watch file doesn't work anymore. [14:13] no matching hrefs for watch line [14:20] shadeslayer, bambee, c2tarun: WTH are ye talking about? [14:21] connect(mePushButton, SIGNAL(clicked()), meActualWindow, SLOT(close()); [14:21] which will close the widget (if used as window) [14:21] apachelogger: I try to understand the discussion, but I arrived too late [14:21] if it was the last window of the app and the quitonclose attribute is set it will also quit the application [14:22] should that not be the case then you can still force quitting [14:22] connect(mePushButton, SIGNAL(clicked()), qApp, SLOT(quit())); [14:22] apachelogger: need a good qt tutorial :( Nokia one is not conceptually good, can you suggest me some. [14:23] it ought to be noted that qApp is a macro thingy of QApplication, should one not be able to use it for whatever reason there might be there... there is also QCoreApplication::instance() [14:23] c2tarun: what is not good about the qt examples? [14:24] http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/tutorials-widgets-toplevel.html [14:25] shadeslayer: did I mention that your browser becomes more unusable from time to time that I have to use it? [14:25] is it bitrotting or something? [14:38] apachelogger: what version are we talking about? [14:38] whatever is in natty [14:38] ah [14:38] Some bitrot and some versions don't? [14:38] apachelogger: wait for the next release [14:38] loads of bugs fixed actually [14:38] So he should switch to a different browser for now? [14:39] ...meego actually has a working browser... [14:41] or compile rekonq from trunk for just some time [14:43] shadeslayer: If it's that much better should we have a trunk snapshot in Natty? [14:43] yep ... [14:43] ScottK: yeah the download location has changed [14:44] ScottK: http://paste.kde.org/6545/ [14:44] wan't me to prepare it? [14:44] debfx: Thanks. [14:44] shadeslayer: I'm not promising to sponsor it. [14:45] well i was going to put it into a PPA for apachelogger :P [14:46] debfx: Works great. Thanks again. [14:47] ScottK: you're welcome [14:53] shadeslayer: we have a new alpha to package no? [14:53] Riddell: there was a new release 0.6.85 but there were some 0 day bugs fixed later on [14:53] ok, go with git then [14:53] ok [15:34] apachelogger: ppa:rohangarg/kde-extra << test from there [15:34] it's still building atm [15:34] sounds like I cannot test :P [15:35] what .. :P [15:35] oggy oggy oggy [15:35] natty does not start on ze tablet [15:35] wtf [15:35] yeah .. lp needs 30 mins to start it's magic [15:35] apachelogger: what [15:35] * apachelogger needs to get n900 integration upl0adered [15:35] apachelogger: booting a chroot? [15:35] shadeslayer: a what now? [15:36] apachelogger: well .. i was planning to boot a maverick chroot off android [15:36] shadeslayer: so neon announce at conf.kde.in? yay or nay? [15:36] Riddell: ask yofel :P [15:36] ScottK: kubuntu-mobile-integration-n900 or kubuntu-mobile-n900-integration? [15:36] he is working on kwin issues [15:36] yofel: yay or nay? cause he's going to talk about it regardless [15:37] hm [15:37] me@osiris:~/src$ dget shadeslayer: [15:37] that did not work [15:37] I wonder why [15:37] haha [15:37] apachelogger: I think that latter. [15:37] Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Project%20Neon/img0.html [15:37] ScottK: ok [15:38] shadeslayer: nice :D [15:38] shadeslayer: what's that? [15:38] oh, your slides, lovely [15:38] Riddell: my not-so-finished presentation [15:38] (graphically I mean) [15:38] shadeslayer: do you know where sheytan's banner for neon is? [15:39] nope [15:39] well it's probably up on imgur [15:39] * shadeslayer checks logs [15:40] Description: yada yada [15:40] blah blah [15:40] would that get through new queue? [15:42] Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/L3N3i.png [15:42] shadeslayer: you are missing a billion slides [15:42] apachelogger: yes [15:42] add a butterfly [15:42] hm [15:42] and a picture of mickey [15:42] "everyday"? [15:43] should that not be like two words or something or nothing? [15:44] where's that word? [15:44] ah [15:44] in the logo [15:46] shadeslayer: add a "conf.kde.in exclusive: announcing the all new project neon!" [15:46] apachelogger: yes it should [15:46] good point [15:47] who is good with krita? [15:47] shadeslayer: yer logo is flawed, you are well gonna get beatins' for that :P [15:47] sheytan's logo to be fair :) [15:47] apachelogger: i didn't make it [15:47] sheytan: can you do that Project Neon banner with "every day" as two words? [15:47] right now .. i'm trying to fix slide 4 [15:47] sheytan: you are well gonna get beatins' or something or nothing [15:47] sheytan: add a picture of a puppy dog [15:48] those always work [15:48] unless you want to go zen on side 4, then add a picture of a mountain river, a slow one [15:49] unless you want to go zOMG on slide 4, then add a picture of a mountain river, one that will eat puppy dogs if they fall in [15:49] oh [15:49] shadeslayer: ^ [15:49] We already had Riddell canoeing down a mountain river, so I think rivers have been done. [15:49] can't have too much of rivers [15:50] never underestimate the power of a river pic in a presentation [15:50] esp if you have something meaningful to say [15:50] add a pretty canoing in florida photo, that's relevant and zen [15:50] true [15:50] ah yes.. the one with jussi in it [15:50] oh [15:50] if you do not have any meaningful to say, use a kitty though [15:51] you really want people to think about the kitty rather than what you are saying [15:51] http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Project%20Neon/img3.html [15:51] fix0red [15:51] * apachelogger wonders why natty refuses to build and concludes that this world needs more kernelz [15:52] oh [15:52] shadeslayer: so much text :S [15:52] could you not add a picture of a river and just the word "awesome" [15:52] then go on about how it is awesome, and make sure to include the word awesome in every point you are making [15:53] then again awesome might not work as there is no amercian audience [15:53] nvm [15:53] apachelogger: trying to focus on easy to install first :P [15:53] right [15:53] make it 5 slides [15:53] each with a related pic [15:54] and gnome asia is getting so many sponsors ... don't know how many conf.kde.in has :( [15:54] That or 50 slides with one word on each. [15:54] apachelogger: i have to speak for 45 minutes [15:54] you could do a speed iteration [15:55] one word per slide [15:55] building key words of sentences together [15:55] or i could do pictures with subliminal messages [15:55] you say sentence, quickly iterate over slides as to support your arguments [15:55] shadeslayer: 40 of that is you trying to get your laptop to work, so you don't need a lot of content. [15:55] a dude in my management course likes to do that ... [15:56] ScottK: haha :D [15:56] just that he did not get the point and tried to apply the scheme to an half an hour talk [15:56] i hope not [15:56] most mind warping [15:56] shadeslayer: I remember your laptop not working appropriately @ uds [15:56] maybe, just as a precaution you should install a legacy os and use that [15:56] ... [15:57] maverick > natty [15:57] i already am on maverick [15:58] yeah [15:58] you used mav back then, no? :P [15:58] yeah :P [15:58] or tried to use it [15:59] apachelogger: it works perfectly with my second monitor [15:59] the setup there was weird [15:59] I do not think the projector will care about yoru second monitor though :P [15:59] He might do better with a laptop he was capable of lifting. [16:00] a tablet [16:00] hahah ... yeah this one is *heavy* [16:00] you could have like only pictures [16:00] and hold the tablet in the one hand [16:00] or just my phone [16:00] with the otherhand you slide through them pictures [16:00] shadeslayer: also a very good idea [16:00] apachelogger: just need to write something that connects to the projector and output's video over USB [16:01] shadeslayer: oh right, you have a shitty phone [16:01] I keep forgetting [16:01] what [16:01] :O [16:01] apachelogger: it's faster than the N900 [16:01] keep telling that to yourself [16:01] I just came to reexperience how much performance android eats [16:01] just doing nothing [16:05] apachelogger: tried out rekonq yet? [16:12] Riddell: I would announce it - we do still have issues, but it'll work ok for most people I hope. And all of that is on the known issues page === kronos_ is now known as kronos [16:26] args [16:26] Flash is totally borked with latest Kubuntu updates. the sound is playing in a loop [16:34] markey: 64 bit? [16:52] shadeslayer: yes [16:54] markey: tried out the beta release? [16:55] yeah I'm using the beta PPA [16:55] ah [16:55] if you mean that [16:55] KDE 4.6.1 and all that [16:55] it worked fine before the latest upgrade [16:55] well .. i just put the so in ~/.mozilla/plugins [16:55] * shadeslayer hasn't upgraded yetr [16:55] I use Chromium, btw [16:55] *yet [16:55] well works fine in chromium here [16:55] hmm [16:55] markey: nightly build? [16:55] yes [16:55] shadeslayer: try it after the upgrade... [16:56] will leave it to upgrade the whole night [17:21] shadeslayer: what is the command to test rekonq? [17:22] apachelogger: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:rohangarg/kde-extra; sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade [17:23] thank you [17:25] shadeslayer: look facebook [17:26] shadeslayer: somehow it works again now, after restarting Chromium :) [17:26] :O [17:26] markey: oh great :D [17:26] apachelogger: HOW [17:26] supremacy [17:27] though, FWIW input is not yet fully functional [17:27] apachelogger: does wifi and stuff work? [17:27] can you browse the web et all [17:27] wifi is of rather little concern as long as usb works :P [17:27] hmm [17:27] actually, I do not even think wifi works on the n900 currently [17:28] though I could not possibly know as they have broken all of kde on natty anyway [17:28] what is clear though is that I will need an own kernel [17:28] stock omap3 does not have half the shit I need [17:28] ouch [17:28] and the angstrom kernel deployed with their developer firmware is cut [17:28] like really badly [17:29] you do not even have access to /proc/bus/pci [17:29] was it cool though, touchpad works awesome with evdev (well except that it does not realize an actual touch event as click [17:30] might be a mis config on my part though [17:31] interesting [17:32] I thought I started the omap3 ubuntu kernel yet uname says it is the angstrom [17:32] very odd [17:32] oh, I think I know why [17:32] * apachelogger needs to start a wiki page [17:34] apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Project%20Neon/img4.html [17:35] apachelogger: does rekonq crash less and work more now? [17:37] shadeslayer: I did never say it crashed [17:37] it was just unusable [17:37] still unusable [17:37] how so? [17:37] what's the problem? [17:39] slow [17:39] slow in loading pages? [17:39] on everything [17:39] or slow in starting up [17:39] unusable tabbing when tabs exceed space (which is easily the case on netbook) [17:39] no [17:39] who cares about starting up [17:39] I start a browser once a day (given it does not crash) [17:40] apachelogger: what happens if the tab's exceed the amount of space? [17:41] good new: In few days, I will help you on kubuntu ARM (I will acquire a toshiba ac100) [17:41] ( the arrows up top are quite small, yes ) [17:41] shadeslayer: I reported bugs about that [17:41] oh goody [17:41] IIRC upstream could not have cared less [17:41] apachelogger: best way to get them solved [17:42] shadeslayer: I reported them half a year ago [17:42] tabbing is broken since forever [17:42] * shadeslayer checks [17:42] the best way to get them solved is use a browser who actually cares about that use case possibly [17:42] * apachelogger conducts probing and poking on the stupid angstrom kernel [17:45] apachelogger: we have a Pin tab feature landing in the next release, so that would help alot in netbook scenarios [17:45] didn't make it this time because it was past feature freeze i think [17:46] apachelogger: Graphics driver: fglrx << oh my oh my [17:47] apachelogger: your bug was targeted for the 0.8 release [18:02] shadeslayer: I like slide 4 btw [18:02] :D [18:02] apachelogger: added more of them about a minute ago [18:02] there are 9 now [18:02] need polishing tho [18:03] I do not like the ones before and the ones after slide 4 though [18:03] just use slide 4 [18:03] haha :D [18:03] * apachelogger notes that rekonq forgets cookies or somesuch stuff [18:06] apachelogger: er ... steps to reproduce? [18:08] shadeslayer: go to gmail, login, tick stay logged in box, restart machine or somesuch crap, see how you have to login again [18:08] same for facebook and everything else on this planet [18:08] possibly even intarstellar [18:08] apachelogger: does it work with konqueror? [18:08] because i think kcookiejar cleans out cookies after a restart or sth [18:09] *shrug* [18:09] also kcoockiejar definitely does not eat peristant cookies [18:09] that would be silly [18:12] ok will test in a few minutes [18:12] and the tab bar is acting up :< [18:12] probably because i'm using raster [18:12] apachelogger: comments on the slides? [18:13] cant find it tabs are broken [18:14] shadeslayer: also you did not yet do anything about focus stealing btw [18:14] when I click a link in quassel0rd rekonq *must* steal focus [18:15] apachelogger: ok how do i fix that? [18:16] and that is one bug i'd like to fix too [18:17] I have no idea [18:17] probably you have to ask kwindowmanagement to give you focus [18:17] shadeslayer: also something that you can easily do in rekonq ... the new tab must become active tab [18:18] er.. that's how it works here [18:18] or do you mean right click on link -> Open in tab [18:18] and then it switches to new tab [18:19] no [18:19] then? [18:19] I click on link in quassel0rd -> new tab must get focus [18:19] ah... [18:19] apachelogger: ok i'll fix focus stealing bugs tonight [18:20] shadeslayer: kwinsystem::windowchanged sounds promising [18:20] though that probably only makes rekonq blink [18:20] for a netbook use case we migt need a kwin profile to allow focus stealing which might then not only make it blink but also raise [18:22] mwhoops [18:22] that is a signal [18:22]