[03:53] <c2tarun> good morning :)
[04:41] <Daskreech> hi c2tarun
[04:42] <c2tarun> hi Daskreech
[04:45]  * Daskreech waves
[08:51]  * c2tarun don't miss me too much ;) ♥
[08:51]  * c2tarun is back.
[09:16] <bambee> morning
[09:19] <c2tarun> bambee: morning
[09:19] <bambee> :)
[09:35] <shadeslayer> valorie: always glad to help out :)
[09:35] <bambee> Does anyone has a netbook with an omap4 here ? I'm looking for a netbook these days (my laptop is old now), and I think a netbook ARM-based is a good idea...
[09:36] <shadeslayer> bambee: agateau has one IIRC
[09:36] <shadeslayer> dunno if it's OMAP based
[09:36] <bambee> (I've an android phone with a cortex-A8-based it rocks seriously...)
[09:36] <shadeslayer> but he has a ARM notebook
[09:36] <shadeslayer> bambee: ARM notebooks are *slim*
[09:38] <bambee> by netbook I mean, a slim, small, fast "laptop" which rocks with an high battery life
[09:41] <valorie> shadeslayer: I hope we can get the phonon backends backported also
[09:41] <valorie> but thanks again for your help
[09:56] <shadeslayer> valorie: only if ScottK gives the go ahead :)
[10:01] <yofel> o/
[10:02] <valorie> right
[10:02] <valorie> I wouldn't dare try to sneak behind ScottK's back!
[10:02] <yofel> I would like to have an ARM netbook at some point - although I can live with my eeePC for now
[10:03] <valorie> he might whack me with his cane
[10:03] <valorie> and I'd have to defend myself with my knitting needles
[10:57] <Tm_T> FYI: konq-plugins-l10n (4:4.4.0-2ubuntu3~maverick1~ppa1) can (and does) block the upgrade to 4.6.1
[10:57] <Tm_T> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-l10n-engb_4%3a4.6.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/khtmlsettingsplugin.mo', which is also in package konq-plugins-l10n 4:4.4.0-2ubuntu3~maverick1~ppa1
[11:09] <debfx> Tm_T: interesting, I guess we need to upggrade konq-plugins to 4.6.1 and add breaks/replaces to the kde-l10n-* packages
[11:10] <debfx> yofel: ^
[11:11] <yofel> +1
[11:12] <yofel> I couldn't upload 2 translations anyway since the PPA ran out of space so I can upload new translations once launchpad gives me some space again
[11:13]  * yofel looks at the konq-plugins tar again
[11:22] <yofel> debfx: so just use konq-plugins 4.6.1 as it is? Since it's missing a few plugins and the docs compared to 4.4.0 - and I don't know much about konq-plugins
[11:23] <debfx> yofel: which plugins are missing?
[11:24] <yofel> crashes/ mediarealfolder/ sidebar/ and smbmounter/
[11:33] <debfx> gnaaaaaaaaa
[11:34] <debfx> I've built all kde-l10n packages only to notice that they are not in the kubuntu package set
[11:35] <yofel> o.O
[11:35] <debfx> so launchpad reject all the uploads
[11:35] <yofel> heh
[11:37]  * debfx refuses to do any kubuntu development until that package set is fixed
[11:38] <yofel> well, we can look at konq-plugins then, no hurry though, as we can't upload anything to backports currently anyway
[11:47] <webdevbyjoss> hey, guys. I have a problem with installing Qt application, because I can't install required qt-lib. is this a good channel to ask for help?
[11:47] <c2tarun> which library is required?
[11:47] <c2tarun> webdevbyjoss: ^^
[11:48] <webdevbyjoss> I'm installing application that depends on "libqt4-multimedia", but there is no such package for current lib-qt https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/i386/libqt4-multimedia, what can I do in order to install my application?
[11:48] <webdevbyjoss> I'm taking ab out 4.7
[11:48] <webdevbyjoss> I can't downgrade to 4.6 as I have already lot of application that depends on 4.7
[11:49] <webdevbyjoss> libqt4-multimedia is in beta right now and required libqtcore4 (= 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1) 
[11:50] <webdevbyjoss> but I have a latest "libqtcore4" available from the repository
[11:50] <yofel> no, that was the latest version that shipped it, from 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu2:
[11:50] <yofel>    - Drop multimedia package, QtMultimediaKit in QtMobility replaces it
[11:51] <c2tarun> yofel: hey can you please help me with a small c++ program for Qt. I asked on #qt but that channel seems to be empty :(
[11:51] <webdevbyjoss> thanks
[11:52] <yofel> webdevbyjoss: so either the application package is too  old or you're running a too new Qt package for your release
[11:54] <webdevbyjoss> I think the package is quite old, but its a latest available from that program, "simon_0.3.0-1ubuntu3_i386-1.deb" and it depends on libqt4-multimedia.
[11:54] <webdevbyjoss> so possibly I'll contact developer of that program and discuss that with him
[11:55] <yofel> c2tarun: looking, but I haven't done any qt programmin in a while so give me a bit
[11:55] <webdevbyjoss> just to make everything clear - so there is no any way to install program that depends on "libqt4-multimedia" in ubuntu 10.10?
[11:56] <c2tarun> yofel: no problem just take a look at http://paste.kde.org/6537/ I wrote three programs and the error with them
[11:56] <yofel> c2tarun: yeah, I saw your paste in #qt
[11:57] <c2tarun> yofel: so any clue :( about where I am wrong?
[12:00] <shadeslayer> dude
[12:00] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: lrn2forwarddeclare classes
[12:00] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:02] <yofel> shadeslayer: you can still do that after it works :P
[12:02] <shadeslayer> and does QWindow come from QtGui?
[12:03] <shadeslayer> does'nt look like it
[12:04] <shadeslayer> uh
[12:05] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: i don't see a class called QWindow
[12:05] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: http://paste.kde.org/6539/
[12:05] <shadeslayer> but it needs to be done that way ^^
[12:05] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: got it, fixed it, it should be QWidget :/
[12:06] <shadeslayer> see :P
[12:06] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: so replace QWindow with QWidget in that paste there
[12:07] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: done :) but still I am not getting anyoutput on executing the executive file :( I guess there is no show called anywhere.
[12:07] <shadeslayer> setLayout(layout).show();  -- > better change that to : this->setLayout(layout).show();
[12:07] <shadeslayer> wait a second
[12:07] <shadeslayer>         np = new Notepad();
[12:07] <shadeslayer> what after that ?
[12:07] <shadeslayer> you haven't showed the Application
[12:07] <shadeslayer> np->show() i'd say
[12:08] <shadeslayer> ( You allocate the memory / instantiate it, but don't make it show up )
[12:09] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: finally got an small cute window :) which function can be used to quit?
[12:10] <shadeslayer> the 'x' at the top?
[12:10] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I want to quit by clicking the button.
[12:10] <shadeslayer> ah
[12:11] <shadeslayer> implement the quit() slot?
[12:12] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qpushbutton.html#public-slots
[12:12] <shadeslayer> there's no Quit slot for QPushButton
[12:12] <shadeslayer> again ... use QtCreator to fix0r your code
[12:13] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I did first but if I dont declare Notepad::quit() than I am getting an error. I'll use QtCreator after getting little bit aquainted with Qt :)
[12:13] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: er what?
[12:14] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: this error moc_notepad.cpp:(.text+0x5f): undefined reference to `Notepad::quit()'
[12:14] <shadeslayer> that's because you didn't include the moc
[12:15] <shadeslayer> and add #ifndef and #define for your header
[12:16] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I included it first, let me do it again.
[12:16] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: did you go through the Qt examples given in the docs?
[12:17] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I was at 2nd example of tutorial when faced this problem
[12:18] <shadeslayer> hm ..
[12:18] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: you mean header file this way? http://pastebin.com/N0d69wu1
[12:19] <shadeslayer> yes
[12:19] <shadeslayer> wait
[12:19] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: #ifndef NOTEPAD_H
[12:19] <shadeslayer> same thing for #define
[12:20] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: will you believe I saw same convention in a example and thought it as a mispring ;(
[12:20] <yofel> c2tarun: IMHO you should also read a tutorial on best practices in c++ (like the include protection shadeslayer is just talking about)
[12:20] <shadeslayer> aye
[12:21] <c2tarun> yofel: sure I'll go for that too.
[12:21] <shadeslayer> and moc
[12:21] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: what is moc?
[12:21] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/moc.html
[12:22] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: thanks :)
[12:59] <bambee> c2tarun: paste the cpp too please
[12:59] <bambee> well so the cpp should contain the constructor and Notepad::quit() implemented :)
[14:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how's neon doing?  would it be an interesting idea to announce it at conf.kde.in ?
[14:04] <Riddell> so publishing on dot at the same time as your talk
[14:04] <Riddell> making your talk the big launch
[14:13] <ScottK> debfx: If you have a moment, I'd appreciate a hand with the kde-look/apps watch file you helped me out with a while ago.  kbackup just did a new upstream release and the watch file doesn't work anymore.
[14:13] <ScottK> no matching hrefs for watch line
[14:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, bambee, c2tarun: WTH are ye talking about?
[14:21] <apachelogger> connect(mePushButton, SIGNAL(clicked()), meActualWindow, SLOT(close());
[14:21] <apachelogger> which will close the widget (if used as window)
[14:21] <bambee> apachelogger: I try to understand the discussion, but I arrived too late
[14:21] <apachelogger> if it was the last window of the app and the quitonclose attribute is set it will also quit the application
[14:22] <apachelogger> should that not be the case then you can still force quitting
[14:22] <apachelogger> connect(mePushButton, SIGNAL(clicked()), qApp, SLOT(quit()));
[14:22] <c2tarun> apachelogger: need a good qt tutorial :( Nokia one is not conceptually good, can you suggest me some.
[14:23] <apachelogger> it ought to be noted that qApp is a macro thingy of QApplication, should one not be able to use it for whatever reason there might be there... there is also QCoreApplication::instance()
[14:23] <apachelogger> c2tarun: what is not good about the qt examples?
[14:24] <apachelogger> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/tutorials-widgets-toplevel.html
[14:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did I mention that your browser becomes more unusable from time to time that I have to use it?
[14:25] <apachelogger> is it bitrotting or something?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what version are we talking about?
[14:38] <apachelogger> whatever is in natty
[14:38] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:38] <ScottK> Some bitrot and some versions don't?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wait for the next release
[14:38] <shadeslayer> loads of bugs fixed actually
[14:38] <ScottK> So he should switch to a different browser for now?
[14:39] <apachelogger> ...meego actually has a working browser...
[14:41] <shadeslayer> or compile rekonq from trunk for just some time
[14:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: If it's that much better should we have a trunk snapshot in Natty?
[14:43] <shadeslayer> yep ... 
[14:43] <debfx> ScottK: yeah the download location has changed
[14:44] <debfx> ScottK: http://paste.kde.org/6545/
[14:44] <shadeslayer> wan't me to prepare it?
[14:44] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks.
[14:44] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I'm not promising to sponsor it.
[14:45] <shadeslayer> well i was going to put it into a PPA for apachelogger :P
[14:46] <ScottK> debfx: Works great.  Thanks again.
[14:47] <debfx> ScottK: you're welcome
[14:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we have a new alpha to package no?
[14:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: there was a new release 0.6.85 but there were some 0 day bugs fixed later on
[14:53] <Riddell> ok, go with git then
[14:53] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ppa:rohangarg/kde-extra << test from there
[15:34] <shadeslayer> it's still building atm
[15:34] <apachelogger> sounds like I cannot test :P
[15:35] <shadeslayer> what .. :P
[15:35] <apachelogger> oggy oggy oggy
[15:35] <apachelogger> natty does not start on ze tablet
[15:35] <apachelogger> wtf
[15:35] <shadeslayer> yeah .. lp needs 30 mins to start it's magic
[15:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what
[15:35]  * apachelogger needs to get n900 integration upl0adered
[15:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: booting a chroot?
[15:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: a what now?
[15:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well .. i was planning to boot a maverick chroot off android
[15:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so neon announce at conf.kde.in?  yay or nay?
[15:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ask yofel :P
[15:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: kubuntu-mobile-integration-n900 or kubuntu-mobile-n900-integration?
[15:36] <shadeslayer> he is working on kwin issues
[15:36] <Riddell> yofel: yay or nay?  cause he's going to talk about it regardless
[15:37] <apachelogger> hm
[15:37] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~/src$ dget shadeslayer: 
[15:37] <apachelogger> that did not work
[15:37] <apachelogger> I wonder why
[15:37] <shadeslayer> haha 
[15:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think that latter.
[15:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Project%20Neon/img0.html
[15:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: ok
[15:38] <bambee> shadeslayer: nice :D
[15:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's that?
[15:38] <Riddell> oh, your slides, lovely
[15:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: my not-so-finished presentation
[15:38] <bambee> (graphically I mean)
[15:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you know where sheytan's banner for neon is?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> nope
[15:39] <shadeslayer> well it's probably up on imgur
[15:39]  * shadeslayer checks logs
[15:40] <apachelogger> Description: yada yada
[15:40] <apachelogger>  blah blah
[15:40] <apachelogger> would that get through new queue?
[15:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/L3N3i.png
[15:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are missing a billion slides
[15:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[15:42] <apachelogger> add a butterfly
[15:42] <apachelogger> hm
[15:42] <shadeslayer> and a picture of mickey
[15:42] <apachelogger> "everyday"?
[15:43] <apachelogger> should that not be like two words or something or nothing?
[15:44] <shadeslayer> where's that word?
[15:44] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:44] <shadeslayer> in the logo
[15:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: add a "conf.kde.in exclusive: announcing the all new project neon!"
[15:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes it should
[15:46] <shadeslayer> good point
[15:47] <Riddell> who is good with krita?
[15:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yer logo is flawed, you are well gonna get beatins' for that :P
[15:47] <Riddell> sheytan's logo to be fair :)
[15:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i didn't make it
[15:47] <Riddell> sheytan: can you do that Project Neon banner with "every day" as two words?
[15:47] <shadeslayer> right now .. i'm trying to fix slide 4
[15:47] <apachelogger> sheytan: you are well gonna get beatins' or something or nothing
[15:47] <apachelogger> sheytan: add a picture of a puppy dog
[15:48] <apachelogger> those always work
[15:48] <apachelogger> unless you want to go zen on side 4, then add a picture of a mountain river, a slow one
[15:49] <apachelogger> unless you want to go zOMG on slide 4, then  add a picture of a mountain river, one that will eat puppy dogs if they fall in
[15:49] <apachelogger> oh
[15:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[15:49] <ScottK> We already had Riddell canoeing down a mountain river, so I think rivers have been done.
[15:49] <Riddell> can't have too much of rivers
[15:50] <apachelogger> never underestimate the power of a river pic in a presentation
[15:50] <apachelogger> esp if you have something meaningful to say
[15:50] <Riddell> add a pretty canoing in florida photo, that's relevant and zen
[15:50] <apachelogger> true
[15:50] <shadeslayer> ah yes.. the one with jussi in it
[15:50] <apachelogger> oh
[15:50] <apachelogger> if you do not have any meaningful to say, use a kitty though
[15:51] <apachelogger> you really want people to think about the kitty rather than what you are saying
[15:51] <shadeslayer> http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Project%20Neon/img3.html
[15:51] <shadeslayer> fix0red
[15:51]  * apachelogger wonders why natty refuses to build and concludes that this world needs more kernelz
[15:52] <apachelogger> oh
[15:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so much text :S
[15:52] <apachelogger> could you not add a picture of a river and just the word "awesome"
[15:52] <apachelogger> then go on about how it is awesome, and make sure to include the word awesome in every point you are making
[15:53] <apachelogger> then again awesome might not work as there is no amercian audience
[15:53] <apachelogger> nvm
[15:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: trying to focus on easy to install first :P
[15:53] <apachelogger> right
[15:53] <apachelogger> make it 5 slides
[15:53] <apachelogger> each with a related pic
[15:54] <shadeslayer> and gnome asia is getting so many sponsors ... don't know how many conf.kde.in has :(
[15:54] <ScottK> That or 50 slides with one word on each.
[15:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i have to speak for 45 minutes
[15:54] <apachelogger> you could do a speed iteration
[15:55] <apachelogger> one word per slide
[15:55] <apachelogger> building key words of sentences together
[15:55] <shadeslayer> or i could do pictures with subliminal messages
[15:55] <apachelogger> you say sentence, quickly iterate over slides as to support your arguments
[15:55] <ScottK> shadeslayer: 40 of that is you trying to get your laptop to work, so you don't need a lot of content.
[15:55] <apachelogger> a dude in my management course likes to do that ...
[15:56] <shadeslayer> ScottK: haha :D
[15:56] <apachelogger> just that he did not get the point and tried to apply the scheme to an half an hour talk
[15:56] <shadeslayer> i hope not
[15:56] <apachelogger> most mind warping
[15:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I remember your laptop not working appropriately @ uds
[15:56] <apachelogger> maybe, just as a precaution you should install a legacy os and use that
[15:56] <apachelogger> ...
[15:57] <apachelogger> maverick > natty
[15:57] <shadeslayer> i already am on maverick
[15:58] <apachelogger> yeah
[15:58] <apachelogger> you used mav back then, no? :P
[15:58] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[15:58] <shadeslayer> or tried to use it
[15:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it works perfectly with my second monitor
[15:59] <shadeslayer> the setup there was weird
[15:59] <apachelogger> I do not think the projector will care about yoru second monitor though :P
[15:59] <ScottK> He might do better with a laptop he was capable of lifting.
[16:00] <apachelogger> a tablet
[16:00] <shadeslayer> hahah ... yeah this one is *heavy*
[16:00] <apachelogger> you could have like only pictures
[16:00] <apachelogger> and hold the tablet in the one hand
[16:00] <shadeslayer> or just my phone
[16:00] <apachelogger> with the otherhand you slide through them pictures
[16:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also a very good idea
[16:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just need to write something that connects to the projector and output's video over USB
[16:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh right, you have a shitty phone
[16:01] <apachelogger> I keep forgetting
[16:01] <shadeslayer> what
[16:01] <shadeslayer> :O
[16:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it's faster than the N900
[16:01] <apachelogger> keep telling that to yourself
[16:01] <apachelogger> I just came to reexperience how much performance android eats
[16:01] <apachelogger> just doing nothing
[16:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: tried out rekonq yet?
[16:12] <yofel> Riddell: I would announce it - we do still have issues, but it'll work ok for most people I hope. And all of that is on the known issues page
[16:26] <markey> args
[16:26] <markey> Flash is totally borked with latest Kubuntu updates. the sound is playing in a loop
[16:34] <shadeslayer> markey: 64 bit?
[16:52] <markey> shadeslayer: yes
[16:54] <shadeslayer> markey: tried out the beta release?
[16:55] <markey> yeah I'm using the beta PPA
[16:55] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:55] <markey> if you mean that
[16:55] <markey> KDE 4.6.1 and all that
[16:55] <markey> it worked fine before the latest upgrade 
[16:55] <shadeslayer> well .. i just put the so in ~/.mozilla/plugins
[16:55]  * shadeslayer hasn't upgraded yetr
[16:55] <markey> I use Chromium, btw
[16:55] <shadeslayer> *yet
[16:55] <shadeslayer> well works fine in chromium here
[16:55] <markey> hmm
[16:55] <shadeslayer> markey: nightly build?
[16:55] <markey> yes
[16:55] <markey> shadeslayer: try it after the upgrade...
[16:56] <shadeslayer> will leave it to upgrade the whole night
[17:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is the command to test rekonq?
[17:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:rohangarg/kde-extra; sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:23] <apachelogger> thank you
[17:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: look facebook
[17:26] <markey> shadeslayer: somehow it works again now, after restarting Chromium :)
[17:26] <shadeslayer> :O
[17:26] <shadeslayer> markey: oh great :D
[17:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: HOW
[17:26] <apachelogger> supremacy
[17:27] <apachelogger> though, FWIW input is not yet fully functional
[17:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does wifi and stuff work?
[17:27] <shadeslayer> can you browse the web et all
[17:27] <apachelogger> wifi is of rather little concern as long as usb works :P
[17:27] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:27] <apachelogger> actually, I do not even think wifi works on the n900 currently
[17:28] <apachelogger> though I could not possibly know as they have broken all of kde on natty anyway
[17:28] <apachelogger> what is clear though is that I will need an own kernel
[17:28] <apachelogger> stock omap3 does not have half the shit I need
[17:28] <shadeslayer> ouch
[17:28] <apachelogger> and the angstrom kernel deployed with their developer firmware is cut
[17:28] <apachelogger> like really badly
[17:29] <apachelogger> you do not even have access to /proc/bus/pci
[17:29] <apachelogger> was it cool though, touchpad works awesome with evdev (well except that it does not realize an actual touch event as click
[17:30] <apachelogger> might be a mis config on my part though
[17:31] <apachelogger> interesting
[17:32] <apachelogger> I thought I started the omap3 ubuntu kernel yet uname says it is the angstrom
[17:32] <apachelogger> very odd
[17:32] <apachelogger> oh, I think I know why
[17:32]  * apachelogger needs to start a wiki page
[17:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Project%20Neon/img4.html
[17:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does rekonq crash less and work more now?
[17:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I did never say it crashed
[17:37] <apachelogger> it was just unusable
[17:37] <apachelogger> still unusable
[17:37] <shadeslayer> how so?
[17:37] <shadeslayer> what's the problem?
[17:39] <apachelogger> slow
[17:39] <shadeslayer> slow in loading pages?
[17:39] <apachelogger> on everything
[17:39] <shadeslayer> or slow in starting up
[17:39] <apachelogger> unusable tabbing when tabs exceed space (which is easily the case on netbook)
[17:39] <apachelogger> no
[17:39] <apachelogger> who cares about starting up
[17:39] <apachelogger> I start a browser once a day (given it does not crash)
[17:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what happens if the tab's exceed the amount of space?
[17:41] <bambee> good new: In few days, I will help you on kubuntu ARM (I will acquire a toshiba ac100)
[17:41] <shadeslayer> ( the arrows up top are quite small, yes )
[17:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I reported bugs about that
[17:41] <shadeslayer> oh goody
[17:41] <apachelogger> IIRC upstream could not have cared less
[17:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: best way to get them solved
[17:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I reported them half a year ago
[17:42] <apachelogger> tabbing is broken since forever
[17:42]  * shadeslayer checks
[17:42] <apachelogger> the best way to get them solved is use a browser who actually cares about that use case possibly
[17:42]  * apachelogger conducts probing and poking on the stupid angstrom kernel
[17:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we have a Pin tab feature landing in the next release, so that would help alot in netbook scenarios
[17:45] <shadeslayer> didn't make it this time because it was past feature freeze i think
[17:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Graphics driver: fglrx << oh my oh my
[17:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your bug was targeted for the 0.8 release 
[18:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I like slide 4 btw
[18:02] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: added more of them about a minute ago
[18:02] <shadeslayer> there are 9 now
[18:02] <shadeslayer> need polishing tho
[18:03] <apachelogger> I do not like the ones before and the ones after slide 4 though
[18:03] <apachelogger> just use slide 4
[18:03] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[18:03]  * apachelogger notes that rekonq forgets cookies or somesuch stuff
[18:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: er ... steps to reproduce?
[18:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: go to gmail, login, tick stay logged in box, restart machine or somesuch crap, see how you have to login again
[18:08] <apachelogger> same for facebook and everything else on this planet
[18:08] <apachelogger> possibly even intarstellar
[18:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does it work with konqueror?
[18:08] <shadeslayer> because i think kcookiejar cleans out cookies after a restart or sth
[18:09] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:09] <apachelogger> also kcoockiejar definitely does not eat peristant cookies
[18:09] <apachelogger> that would be silly
[18:12] <shadeslayer> ok will test in a few minutes
[18:12] <shadeslayer> and the tab bar is acting up :<
[18:12] <shadeslayer> probably because i'm using raster
[18:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: comments on the slides?
[18:13] <apachelogger> cant find it tabs are broken
[18:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also you did not yet do anything about focus stealing btw
[18:14] <apachelogger> when I click a link in quassel0rd rekonq *must* steal focus
[18:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok how do i fix that?
[18:16] <shadeslayer> and that is one bug i'd like to fix too
[18:17] <apachelogger> I have no idea
[18:17] <apachelogger> probably you have to ask kwindowmanagement to give you focus
[18:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also something that you can easily do in rekonq ... the new tab must become active tab
[18:18] <shadeslayer> er.. that's how it works here
[18:18] <shadeslayer> or do you mean right click on link -> Open in tab
[18:18] <shadeslayer> and then it switches to new tab
[18:19] <apachelogger> no
[18:19] <shadeslayer> then?
[18:19] <apachelogger> I click on link in quassel0rd -> new tab must get focus
[18:19] <shadeslayer> ah...
[18:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok i'll fix focus stealing bugs tonight
[18:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kwinsystem::windowchanged sounds promising
[18:20] <apachelogger> though that probably only makes rekonq blink
[18:20] <apachelogger> for a netbook use case we migt need a kwin profile to allow focus stealing which might then not only make it blink but also raise
[18:22] <apachelogger> mwhoops
[18:22] <apachelogger> that is a signal
[18:22] <apachelogger> ::uniminimizeWindow()
[18:22] <apachelogger> or
[18:23] <apachelogger> ::activeWindow()
[18:23] <apachelogger> Requests that window win is activated.
[18:23] <apachelogger> or
[18:23] <apachelogger> ::demandAttention()
[18:23] <apachelogger> ::raiseWindow
[18:23] <apachelogger> holy french fries, I have no idea which one to use when ^^
[18:24] <shadeslayer> raiseWindow i'd say
[18:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: possibly mr konqueror has support for this, whatever it uses should be fine for rekonq
[18:24] <apachelogger> This call is only for pagers and similar tools that represent direct user actions. Applications should not use it, they should keep using QWidget::raise() or XRaiseWindow() if necessary
[18:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: raise is no go :P
[18:24] <apachelogger> qwidget::raise might actually do the job
[18:24] <apachelogger> well
[18:24] <apachelogger> grep konq
[18:24] <shadeslayer> aye
[18:25] <shadeslayer> QEvent::FocusIn
[18:26] <shadeslayer> nah
[18:27]  * apachelogger wonders whether zimage is equal to vmlinuz
[18:27] <apachelogger> ah
[18:27] <apachelogger> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-5-generic: Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 2.6.38-5-generic (buildd@vernad, RO-rootFS, root_dev 0x801, swap_dev 0x4, Normal VGA
[18:28] <apachelogger> looks like it
[18:28] <apachelogger> sweet
[18:28] <apachelogger> then I wonder why my mobile image booted the angstrom kernel and not ours seeing as I symlinked zImage to my vmlinuz
[18:28] <apachelogger> silly
[18:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what I like best about andriod is how mounting a partition over usb makes it unavilable to android
[18:30] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you *like* that?
[18:31] <shadeslayer> i hate it
[18:31] <shadeslayer> what i like best is ... everything works the way it's supposed to be
[18:31] <shadeslayer> except for the Java bits
[18:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: lol, well spoken
[18:38] <apachelogger> though I must say they also have fishy kernels 
[18:38] <apachelogger> (most of the time)
[18:38] <shadeslayer> oh yes ... definitely ...
[18:38]  * apachelogger has found the input devices for the 3 keys he has
[18:39] <apachelogger> also apparently the touchscreen is identifying as win7 usb touch something
[18:39] <apachelogger> very confusing ^^
[18:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and they require super user priviliges for some normal stuff
[18:39] <shadeslayer> what
[18:39] <shadeslayer> O_O
[18:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i'm going to get myself one of these http://www.noteslate.com/
[18:39] <apachelogger> well
[18:39] <apachelogger> IMHO the lees priviliges the better
[18:39] <apachelogger> *les
[18:39] <apachelogger> s
[18:39] <shadeslayer> yep
[18:39] <apachelogger> thing is they do not do it properly
[18:40] <apachelogger> and if you do not do it properly you might as well just leave it
[18:40] <apachelogger> as it will be incredibly easy to work around anyway
[18:40] <shadeslayer> look at the noteslate
[18:40] <shadeslayer> i mean .... just look at it :D
[18:40] <apachelogger> I forgot about it
[18:40] <apachelogger> you see
[18:41] <shadeslayer> no need to carry a notebook ... eva
[18:41] <apachelogger> rekonq did not raise and the tab did not get focus either
[18:41]  * apachelogger does not see no nothing
[18:41] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[18:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that looks very nice
[18:41] <apachelogger> also it could work with X ^^
[18:41] <shadeslayer> no it won't 
[18:41] <apachelogger> wut
[18:41] <apachelogger> why not
[18:41] <apachelogger> x is awesome
[18:41] <shadeslayer> X takes up too much memory
[18:42] <apachelogger> I hope wayland never comes around
[18:42] <shadeslayer> you confuse awesome with tons of memory
[18:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it does not need to
[18:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you can keep your 20 year old piece of code
[18:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how much mem does that bugger have?
[18:42]  * shadeslayer want's new stuff
[18:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is the point exactly
[18:42] <apachelogger> 20 years ago machines were shit
[18:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not alot seeing how it's supposed to just display 1 bit colors
[18:42] <apachelogger> hence you could easily reduce X to what it was 20 years ago and it would use like less than a mb
[18:42] <shadeslayer> no specs
[18:42] <apachelogger> (well without drivers, obviously drivers are fat beasts)
[18:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the firmware will be open source
[18:43] <shadeslayer> so i guess it's doable
[18:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it will already have a HTML browser and music player
[18:43] <apachelogger> the fact that it only does black or white does not say anything about mem really
[18:43] <shadeslayer> why do you want X ontop of it?
[18:43] <apachelogger> X must go everywhere
[18:43] <apachelogger> so that wayland stays out of sight
[18:44] <apachelogger> I like how meego has a mouse cursor on their tablets
[18:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: seeing how it does only black and white, it probably doesn't have much
[18:44] <shadeslayer> what :O
[18:44] <apachelogger> it is totally shitty
[18:44] <apachelogger> and totally necessary
[18:44] <shadeslayer> really? :D
[18:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/fxmzn/what_is_your_funniest_made_up_fact_that_someone/c1je2qa
[18:44] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[18:44] <apachelogger> well, I would not know of a way to get rid of the coursor while having a input device
[18:44] <apachelogger> probably a design decision made 20 years ago
[18:44] <apachelogger> well
[18:45] <apachelogger> actually isn it it more like 30 these days?
[18:45] <apachelogger> time flies by so quickly
[18:45] <apachelogger> ...
[18:45] <apachelogger> I AM STILL RUNNING THE WRONG KERNEL
[18:45] <apachelogger> wtf
[18:45]  * apachelogger must be doing something wrong
[18:46] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:48] <apachelogger> I really do not get it
[18:48] <apachelogger> either the firmware overrides /boot completely or I am too stupid
[18:48] <apachelogger> that at least explains why natty did not want to load despite me throwing in our n900 kernel which should at least start theboard
[18:49] <apachelogger> natty system wouldnt want to start with meego kernel either
[18:50] <apachelogger> BUT WHY
[18:51] <apachelogger> -.-
[18:52] <apachelogger> ah
[18:52] <apachelogger> oh
[18:52] <apachelogger> uh
[18:52] <apachelogger> there seems to be a menu well hidden :S
[18:54] <apachelogger> ahhh
[18:54] <apachelogger> much better
[19:01] <apachelogger> it is karp0tt
[19:01] <apachelogger> lovely
[19:01] <shadeslayer> ahh
[19:01] <shadeslayer> very interesting
[19:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so i close Dr.Konqi after reporting a crash
[19:02] <shadeslayer> and i click on "take me to the bug report's webpage"
[19:02] <shadeslayer> and rekonq gains focus
[19:02] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:02] <apachelogger> did you have another app focused at the time?
[19:03] <shadeslayer> the bug reporter
[19:03] <apachelogger> I thought you closed it
[19:03] <shadeslayer> no
[19:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there's a link at the end, i clicked on that
[19:03] <apachelogger> well
[19:03] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:04] <apachelogger> kwin focus stealing prevention is a mystery to me
[19:05] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[19:05] <apachelogger> it still does not boot :(
[19:05] <apachelogger> option a) kernel image is shit
[19:05] <apachelogger> option b) initrd is shit
[19:05] <apachelogger> option c) apachelogger is a stupid developer
[19:05] <apachelogger> I go with c)
[19:05] <apachelogger> I was not supposed to be developer anyway
[19:05] <apachelogger> that all was just one great accident
[19:05] <apachelogger> or is it big accident
[19:06] <apachelogger> actually I am drunk I must admit
[19:07] <apachelogger> meh
[19:07] <apachelogger> still no boot
[19:07]  * apachelogger builds a maverick minimal image with stock kernel
[19:10] <DarkwingDuck> having fun apachelogger?
[19:10] <apachelogger> no
[19:10] <DarkwingDuck> :/
[19:10] <apachelogger> I shall go on vacation soon
[19:10] <DarkwingDuck> What's messing up?
[19:10] <DarkwingDuck> Oh nice.
[19:11] <apachelogger> all this broken open source stuff makes me wanna kill people
[19:11] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah... What's broken today?
[19:11] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: apachelogger is broken today
[19:12] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: +1
[19:12] <apachelogger> whut
[19:12] <apachelogger> oh
[19:12]  * apachelogger cannot fix
[19:12] <apachelogger> I do not have apachelogger.h with me
[19:12] <apachelogger> actually everything is broken
[19:12] <apachelogger> if you apply insane apachelogger standards
[19:12] <DarkwingDuck> Well, Yeah... just re-write it in PERL and you're good to go.
[19:13] <DarkwingDuck> This way if it breaks you can blame the language
[19:13] <apachelogger> makes me wanna open up a company to make money out of fixing shit so that it shall be valuable to businesses and robots
[19:13] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[19:13] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: yeah
[19:13] <apachelogger> actually
[19:13] <apachelogger> we had a nice discussion about this the other day in class
[19:13] <shadeslayer> uh..
[19:13] <DarkwingDuck> Oh?
[19:13] <apachelogger> with teh essential conclusion that the language is not to blame but developers being incompotent
[19:14] <shadeslayer> haha
[19:14] <apachelogger> as every major language is turing complete they are all capable of the exactly the same things
[19:14] <DarkwingDuck> ehhhhhhhh.... I don't know. PERL in itself is rough.
[19:14] <apachelogger> whether the developer makes them do the right things is however the part of the equation that is mostly unkown
[19:14] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: do brainfuck
[19:15] <apachelogger> :P
[19:15] <apachelogger> that is rough
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> But, I would 99% agree
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: LOL Aye, that is rough.
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> I'm dedicating myself to graphics, docs and learning Python.
[19:15] <apachelogger> actually you could just as well do it on a turing machine
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> erm... ignore that part about raphics.
[19:15] <apachelogger> would not be much more work than brainfuck really
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> *graphics
[19:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: python? really?
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah.
[19:16] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: learning python?
[19:16] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: aye
[19:16] <apachelogger> do you want to fly from drugs or smthing or nothing?
[19:16] <DarkwingDuck> It's quick and I can port it anywhere.
[19:16] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[19:16] <apachelogger> actually
[19:16] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:16] <apachelogger> you can port C anywhere
[19:16] <DarkwingDuck> Plus, I have a python teacher
[19:16] <DarkwingDuck> I don't have a C/C++/C# teacher
[19:16] <apachelogger> python you can port to any subset of C with python being mostly written in C
[19:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i was actually looking at learning System C
[19:17] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: get a book :P
[19:17] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: you don't need a teacher
[19:17] <apachelogger> C only got like 5 concepts
[19:17] <shadeslayer> aye 
[19:17] <DarkwingDuck> Aye?
[19:17]  * DarkwingDuck mutters
[19:17] <apachelogger> ptrs, datatypes, signatures, functions, memory
[19:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: any I forgot?
[19:17] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: just make obnoxiously long variable name's and you are done
[19:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[19:18] <apachelogger> see, I just summed up C in 5 words
[19:18] <DarkwingDuck> Maybe I'll just stick to Docs. I just realized if I learn C++ I'll be another apachelogger minion
[19:18]  * apachelogger is pretty extraordinary
[19:18] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: so you're saying being a minion is bad? :O
[19:18] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: yeah and with python you'd become a Riddell minion
[19:18] <DarkwingDuck> Hmmmm....
[19:18] <apachelogger> outlook is not so good
[19:18] <apachelogger> was that a pun?
[19:18] <apachelogger> possibly it was
[19:18] <shadeslayer> i wonder whose minion i am ... since i'm using emacs and learning C++
[19:18] <DarkwingDuck> Harold or Jr minion...
[19:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are the dirty minion who will grow up to become darth vader
[19:19] <DarkwingDuck> Or, I can finish learning packaging and be a ScottK minion
[19:19] <apachelogger> obviously you have fallen for the dark side of the force
[19:19] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: so much to choose from 
[19:19] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[19:19] <apachelogger> well
[19:19] <shadeslayer> \o/
[19:19]  * shadeslayer likes the Dark Side
[19:19] <apachelogger> you could also continue doing docs and become your own master
[19:19] <DarkwingDuck> Oh, I'll just stick with Docs and have my own minions. :P:P
[19:19] <apachelogger> ...
[19:19] <apachelogger> exactly
[19:20] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[19:20] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you could also become marketer and become a minion of mine in that domain :P
[19:20] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[19:20] <apachelogger> my talents are wasted on stupid development really
[19:20] <DarkwingDuck> Well, I'll be pushing Kubuntu community and I'm going to start more work on the website too
[19:21] <apachelogger> perfect, you shall be minion and drag me out of this stupid boring development stuff
[19:21] <DarkwingDuck> I have another meeting with Jono coming up
[19:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can i call slots from a ctor without a connect? like this->setFocus();
[19:21] <apachelogger> uh
[19:21] <apachelogger> intersting question
[19:22] <apachelogger> do you want the long answer?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> sure
[19:22] <apachelogger> great
[19:22] <apachelogger> so
[19:22] <apachelogger> you know about moc
[19:22] <apachelogger> the metaobjectcompiler
[19:22] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:22] <shadeslayer> some of it...
[19:22] <apachelogger> see... the reason you have to declare signals with a datatype in the header...
[19:22] <apachelogger> they are actually functions
[19:22] <apachelogger> as C++ does not know about all the signals and slots shit
[19:22] <shadeslayer> aye
[19:23] <apachelogger> only the QMetaObject puts that stuff ontop of the actual C++ class
[19:23] <shadeslayer> and then Qt handles them via moc
[19:23] <apachelogger> exactly
[19:23] <apachelogger> so they are still c++ functions, callable as such
[19:23] <shadeslayer> right
[19:23] <apachelogger> so a slot is no different than any other functions
[19:23] <apachelogger> and technically a signal is not either
[19:23] <tsimpson> the "emit" keyword is simply a #define emit
[19:23] <apachelogger> except that it probably has no implementation
[19:23] <tsimpson> you just call the method
[19:24] <apachelogger> so foo->mySignal() will probably fail to compile ;)
[19:24] <tsimpson> all signals are just protected methods, defined in the moc
[19:24] <apachelogger> but there is nothing that actually prevents you from implementing a signal
[19:24] <shadeslayer> right
[19:24] <tsimpson> you'll get link errors if you do define a signal though
[19:25] <shadeslayer> interesting that ^^
[19:25]  * apachelogger never tried that
[19:25] <apachelogger> actually I struggle to find a use case for doing that ^^
[19:25] <apachelogger> just thinking about it now
[19:25] <tsimpson> moc actually defines the methods, that's the moc_blah.cpp or blah.moc files
[19:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: question answered?
[19:26] <shadeslayer> yep :)
[19:26] <shadeslayer> thanks :)
[19:26] <tsimpson> so you get double symbols
[19:27] <apachelogger> makes sense
[19:27] <tsimpson> as far as C++ is concerned, signals are just protected methods of a class (so sub-classes can emit signals from the parent)
[19:27] <bambee> apachelogger: Qt just makes object introspection for slots and signals right ?
[19:27] <bambee> (I mean, introspection using extra informations generated by moc)
[19:27] <apachelogger> that question is a bit confusing really
[19:28] <tsimpson> moc makes signals, slots and properties work
[19:28] <apachelogger> bambee: QObject does that, obviously Qt at large does more ;)
[19:28] <apachelogger> doubtlessly the most important feature of Qt though
[19:28] <bambee> mhhh
[19:29] <tsimpson> it's part of the reason no one uses gtkmm, it uses boost-signals, which is just ugly compared to Qt
[19:29] <bambee> unfortunately Qt does not make coffee :'(
[19:30] <bambee> xD
[19:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:  KWindowSystem::demandAttention(mainWindow()->winId(), true);
[19:30] <shadeslayer> i think that's the best
[19:30] <yofel> get your coffee machine a sane processor and network card and you can probably get it to make coffee using Qt
[19:30] <shadeslayer> lol 
[19:31] <bambee> yofel: lol
[19:31] <bambee> :)
[19:34] <apachelogger> yofel: there was a blog post somewhere about a realllllllllllllllly emedded thing with Qt port ;)
[19:34] <apachelogger> memory constraints are probably more a problem than shitty cpu
[19:34] <yofel> heh
[19:35] <shadeslayer> where does Dr. Konqi reside btw?
[19:36] <yofel> /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/drkonqi
[19:36] <shadeslayer> the source code :P
[19:36] <apachelogger> in your memory :P
[19:36] <shadeslayer> kdelibs i guess
[19:36] <shadeslayer> :O
[19:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i wish
[19:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: runtime is more like it
[19:37] <yofel> it is runtime
[19:37] <shadeslayer> oh darn
[19:37] <shadeslayer> i don't have that checked out
[19:37] <apachelogger> phonon-kde also lives in runtime
[19:37] <apachelogger> also it has shitty code from what I have seen
[19:38]  * apachelogger breaks his tablet a bit more
[19:39] <shadeslayer> poor tablet
[19:39] <shadeslayer> it's probably wondering where the hell it is
[19:43] <apachelogger> probably not, because if it had any sort of a.i. it would be booting and stuff as otherwise it is clear that it is of no value and might get flushed down the toilet or something or nothing
[19:43]  * apachelogger looks for more booZe
[19:44] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot!
[19:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just send it to me
[19:44] <shadeslayer> i'll take care of it
[19:44] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:44] <DarkwingDuck> I got one of the Ubuntu wiki guys asking me if we need help building up the Kubuntu wiki :D
[19:44] <apparle> guys, my desktop is old(4years) I'm thinking of adding a new graphic card to it. Is it worth?
[19:44] <shadeslayer> w00t
[19:44] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: we can haz new wiki theme! \o/
[19:45] <shadeslayer> apparle: #kubuntu please
[19:45] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: I'm already working on a new theme
[19:45] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: why isn't it up!!!
[19:45] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: because I'm not quite done
[19:45] <shadeslayer> :(
[19:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: would it be possible to hook up neon with some of those arm builders?
[19:50] <yofel> more like: is there *some* kind of ETA until PPAs build for armel?
[19:51] <yofel> we'll get into space trouble then though ^^
[19:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: there was talk of having some publick arm builders
[19:52] <shadeslayer> don't know what's the status
[19:54] <yofel> well, there are 2 currently on the builders page - doing nothing
[20:09] <shadeslayer> yofel: there are 13 ARM builders from what i can see
[20:10] <yofel> shadeslayer: distribution builders - yes
[20:10] <shadeslayer> zkriesse: this is our not so sekret hideout
[20:11] <shadeslayer> c2tarun_: you realize you have a class A ip address
[20:11] <shadeslayer> 1.23.171.248
[20:11] <c2tarun_> yup :)
[20:11] <shadeslayer> c2tarun_: what ISP?
[20:12] <yofel> first time for me seeing an 1. address ^^
[20:12] <c2tarun_> tikona :/ I am damn sure you never heard the name...
[20:12] <c2tarun_> its local ISP here in my area :)
[20:12] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah.. i've also seen it for the first time
[20:12] <shadeslayer> c2tarun_:  as a matter of fact i have
[20:12] <shadeslayer> c2tarun_: you see i live in Gurgaon ;)
[20:12] <c2tarun_> shadeslayer: you have tikona connection :) so I am not the only one suffering ;)
[20:12] <yofel> when were we supposed to run out of IPs again? september?
[20:13] <shadeslayer> c2tarun_: nope ... i have a Airtel connection
[20:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: wasn't there a page once that counted IP Address
[20:13] <yofel> there are a few - the first counters reached 0 in february
[20:13] <shadeslayer> in fact there's even a IPv6 day
[20:14] <c2tarun_> shadeslayer: oh... :) airtel is best 
[20:14] <shadeslayer> no it isn't
[20:14] <shadeslayer> c2tarun_: seen the latest Fair Usage Policy
[20:15] <c2tarun_> shadeslayer: nope, what is it?
[20:15] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: your speed comes down to 128 kbps after 10 GB's
[20:16] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: do you know that 128kbps is four times of the speed which I get :/ its awful :(
[20:17] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:17] <shadeslayer> Airtel is better then :P
[20:17] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: and Airtel gives uninterrupted connection as well :) when I'll go for my job in mumbai I'll get Airtel there ;)
[20:19] <apparle> c2tarun: where are you from
[20:19] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:19] <c2tarun> apparle: right now I am in delhi. you?
[20:20] <apparle> c2tarun: Pune, tikona is not so local and agreed it is hopeless
[20:20] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I want to do some coding stuff for KDE, I was looking for some easy already fixed bug, to look into it but failed to find one :( can you please help
[20:20] <c2tarun> apparle: but still its cheap :) and suites my pocket money.
[20:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^ new minion for you
[20:21] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: any particular component you are interested in?
[20:22] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: not sure. can you suggest any?
[20:22] <yofel> implement a log viewer for Quassel
[20:22] <c2tarun> !Quassel
[20:22] <yofel> that's more than just a bit hard though
[20:23] <yofel> c2tarun: that's our default IRC client (what do you use btw.?)
[20:23] <c2tarun> yofel: I use konversation, (it reminds me of xchat :))
[20:23] <yofel> ah
[20:24]  * yofel keeps xchat as backup and for DCC stuff
[20:24]  * apachelogger keeps pr0n for enjoyment
[20:25] <c2tarun> yofel: can you please suggest anything bit easier, as I never done it before. Is it possible for me to join any running project and see there coding?
[20:26] <yofel> probably, any apps you're frequently using? there are junior jobs with 'easy' bugs too for KDE I think
[20:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: probelm with current builder is that they are native and not emulated thus canonical does not like unaffiliated people using them
[20:28] <c2tarun> yofel: well I mostly use, konsole, yakuake, konversation, bangarang, vlc, few widgets like gmail plasmoid. thats it.
[20:28] <apachelogger> what do you not want to hear from a flasher app?
[20:28] <apachelogger> right
[20:28] <apachelogger> initrd and vmlinuz too big
[20:28] <apachelogger> most horrifying\
[20:40] <c2tarun> how can I download the source code of any KDE application and add start it as a project in Qt Creator?
[20:42] <yofel> if you just want a quick look at the source you can use apt-get source - if you want to develop for upstream you'll have to checkout from KDE SVN/GIT
[20:42] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: see projects.kde.org
[20:43] <yofel> hm, right, see there
[20:43] <apparle> c2tarun: you could start here http://techbase.kde.org/Development see the tutorials
[20:43] <c2tarun> thanks :)
[20:44] <yofel> heh, nice git Icon error ^^
[20:45] <yofel> c2tarun: if you need to test KDE trunk and don't want to build it completely yourself use neon ;)
[20:45] <c2tarun> yofel: what is neon?
[20:45] <c2tarun> !neon
[20:45] <yofel> hm... that needs an update...
[20:45] <apachelogger> apachelogger: feel highlighted
[20:46] <apachelogger> apachelogger: ack
[20:46] <yofel> ^^
[20:46] <apachelogger> well then
[20:46] <apachelogger> kubuntu tabletty stuff has to wait until I am home again
[20:46] <yofel> c2tarun: same daily builds - but now in #project-neon and on http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE
[20:46]  * apachelogger needs to build himself a kernel
[20:47]  * apachelogger boots le android
[20:48] <c2tarun> yofel: thanks for the links guys :) I'll read them.
[20:48] <apachelogger> it takes ages
[20:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: okay i've fix0red the tab stealing focus
[20:54] <shadeslayer> but i can't figure out what the old code did :P
[20:58] <shadeslayer> LOL
[20:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there's a config option to change that behavior
[20:58] <shadeslayer> bambee: ^^ :P
[20:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/mDn0N.png
[21:05] <apachelogger> markey: I get only whitenoise from you
[21:06] <apachelogger> it is getting worse
[21:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: config options ftw
[21:06] <apachelogger> no
[21:06] <shadeslayer> now to make rekonq steal focus from other apps
[21:06] <apachelogger> they suck
[21:07] <shadeslayer> it was fun to read all the code tho
[21:08] <shadeslayer> ooh
[21:08] <shadeslayer> you guys are having a skype call?
[21:09] <nixternal> anyone have broadcom 4311 wifi working on natty? this is driving me nuts, and i don't know if it is natty or my wifi card is borked. i installed the drivers though jockey, but i can't enable my darn wifi
[21:09] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:10] <shadeslayer> nixternal: iirc they were planning on getting the BCM drivers in natty
[21:10] <shadeslayer> the one in kernel trunk
[21:10] <shadeslayer> don't know if they were successful 
[21:15] <nixternal> this is my old laptop, so i am wondering if i have to use b43-fwcutter with some legacy crap, but in the past i never had to do that
[21:15] <claydoh> had problems with a 4312 (I think), but I replaced it with an intel 'n' card off ebay. 
[21:16] <claydoh> hmm I have a 4318 pc card in my almost dead laptop, i think I have natty on it
[21:17] <claydoh> I do remember b43-fwcutter not working, but this was pre alpha2 niirc
[21:18] <claydoh> nixternal: may havve to download the files manually  and run fwcutter
[21:18] <claydoh> me, I spent the 12 bux for a new card as I be lazy, plus wanted g support
[21:18] <claydoh> well, different minipci card,  it was used
[21:20] <claydoh> I can't remember if i tried extracting the firmware manually or not myself
[21:21] <nixternal> hrmm, maybe they are doing something with the broadcom stuff, because now my wifi button will check/uncheck network mangler, but it doesn't light up, nor does it show anything in dmesg. but it is at least doing something now
[21:21] <claydoh> nixternal: no, i think there was a conflict with the STA driver and the b43
[21:21] <claydoh> i think
[21:22] <nixternal> ahh, WiFi now {enabled|disabled} by radio killswitch
[21:22] <claydoh> cool
[21:22] <nixternal> it wasn't doing the 10 minutes ago. i just did an update and rebooted
[21:22] <nixternal> still no light though. i like the light, it is a pretty bright blooooooo one :)
[21:23] <nixternal> its getting close to doing something though, still nothing with iwconfig
[21:23] <claydoh> one thin that bugged me was a change that causes the wifi light on my dell to flash with activity
[21:23] <shadeslayer> hehe
[21:23] <shadeslayer> claydoh: i have that
[21:23] <shadeslayer> and i like it
[21:23] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:24] <claydoh> shadeslayer: there is a setting to fix, but I decided I actually like the flashing
[21:24] <nixternal> yeah, my dell does that as well
[21:24] <nixternal> has done that for ages though, since at least 2008
[21:24] <shadeslayer> yep me too
[21:24] <shadeslayer> yeah
[21:24] <shadeslayer> i need to get a new laptop
[21:24] <claydoh> mine didn't at first
[21:25] <claydoh> but i haven't had this one too long
[21:25] <claydoh> oh thats  why - I upgraded the broadcom wireless to intel, hence the flashing
[21:26] <claydoh> I don't ever see whayI would ever buy a new laptop, this used one is rather nice
[21:28] <nixternal> heh, i totally purged the broadcom drivers, and the button still does that. gotta reboot first i guess
[21:30] <nixternal> wth
[21:30] <nixternal> now iwconfig shows stuff...i just purged the damn drivers
[21:31] <claydoh> purgrd the b43? i think then maybe the card uses the sta drivers in natty now
[21:31] <nixternal> purged the sta drivers
[21:31] <claydoh> too messy
[21:31] <claydoh> ahh
[21:32] <claydoh> the only info I found when I was fighting was to blacklist the b43 stuff, but it didn't work for me
[21:33] <nixternal> yeah, all of that gets blacklisted automatically
[21:33] <nixternal> i just think it is kernel stuff they are working on in natty
[21:37] <nixternal> i think we can disable the notification about 'software upgrade notifications are available'. that is annoying, plus can someone come up with a better icon other than that lightbulb?
[21:41] <apachelogger> ack ack
[21:41] <shadeslayer> ok i'm sleeping
[21:42] <shadeslayer> before i do something stoopid
[21:42] <yofel> gn
[21:42] <shadeslayer> night
[21:59] <apachelogger> who is up for the skype?
[21:59] <apachelogger> yofel: ?
[22:03] <yofel> nope
[22:26] <sheytan> yofel Riddell shadeslayer http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7760/neongc.png
[22:26] <sheytan> sorry guys, was afk
[22:27] <Riddell> sheytan: awesomeness, thanks :)
[22:27] <sheytan> Riddell welcome ;)
[22:38] <tazz> sheytan,it re-directs to http://imageshack.us/img/blocked_login.jpg
[22:38] <tazz> o.O
[22:39] <sheytan> tazz works for me (TM) :D
[22:39] <tazz> lol
[22:40] <yofel> thanks sheytan
[22:42] <yofel> Riddell: about bug 729653 - can we use the konq-plugins 4.6.1 tar? It's missing the doc/ dir as well as 4 plugins compared to 4.4.0, or should I find a way to rip the konq-plugins translations out of the SC 4.6.1 tranlations?
[22:42] <Riddell> yofel: upstream's mess is that one
[22:43] <Riddell> yofel: I think can use the konq-plugins 4.6.1 tar, I think missing plugins means they didn't work
[22:43] <Riddell> but it's hard to be certain
[22:44] <Riddell> and I think upstream want to keep konq-plugins translations in kde-l10n.  4.6.1 is out so they don't really have a choice for now.  so I guess a replaces: is needed
[22:44] <Riddell> (for the PPA anyway, the .po issue doesn't matter in natty)
[22:45] <yofel> I have the replaces done for the translations, just need to run the script. I just wasn't sure if konq-plugins 4.6.1 is usable in it's state
[22:45] <yofel> I'll prepare a package in ninjas
[22:46] <Riddell> yofel: check with dfaure to be sure, I think he did the 4.6 porting
[22:47] <yofel> where do I find him?
[22:48] <Riddell> "dfaure" but he's not online, probably away for the weekend