=== fisted_ is now known as fisted === Guest39209 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest35449 === mren is now known as mren|off [00:30] does kde use anything like apparmor or selinux? === ArGGu^^_ is now known as ArGGu^^ === angels is now known as Guest44567 [00:59] oi [01:10] hi folks [01:10] is it possible to deactivate some kde services for good? [01:11] e.g. the printer service, bluetooth service, kwalletd, ... are all services i dont need [01:11] but they run and need ram [01:15] senorpedro: Check the KDE Service Manager in the Settings. === Guest35449 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest72721 [01:17] stittel, yeah i checked that, i deactivated nepomuk there. but there is no possibility to deactivate the printer service, bluetooth service, kwalletd [01:21] senorpedro: Hm, quite frankly, on my desktop here (running openSUSE though) there is no printer service or bluetooth or kwallet in memory. [01:21] well i have kubuntun [01:21] -n [01:22] senorpedro: Of course that you have bluetooth and I don't could be explained if you use a notebook with bluetooth. [01:22] my computer has no bluetooth, thats why i dont need the service [01:22] senorpedro: Is there a package for KDE bluetooth support you can remove without messing up the system? [01:24] very good idea, there is a package. unfortunately, when trying to purge that, aptitude wants to remove kubuntu-desktop too. [01:25] so thats no option [01:26] senorpedro: Now I haven't been using Kubuntu for 4 years, but back then just removing the kubuntu-desktop package was not necessarily a problem. [01:27] senorpedro: 1) If you use manual cleaning tools like deborphan, you need to acknowledge a long list of packages for keeping. But most people don't use software like deporphan. [01:28] senorpedro: 2) Before upgrading to the next release, the kubuntu-desktop metapackage should be reinstalled. [01:29] senorpedro: If it just wants to remove the kubuntu-desktop metapackage but not gazillions of other packages, well, nothing bad will happen (and you can always reinstall kubuntu-desktop). [01:30] stittel, you are right. aptitude just removes the kubuntu-desktop metapackage. i purged the 3 services. thank you very much [01:31] senorpedro: Glad it worked. [01:40] My upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic left me with no sound. I can't get any sound at all from Amarok, Dragon Player, or even aplay :( [01:41] Is there a fix for this? [01:45] No takers? I'll return later if I don't get it myself then :P [01:46] aplay -l -> "no soundcards found" :( [02:09] Svenska någon? [02:11] Have a problem with my dell studio 1558 === Guest72721 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest14861 [02:32] !cam [02:32] Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras [02:32] gah [02:32] !info cam [02:32] cam (source: cam): Cpu's Audio Mixer for Linux. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.05-8 (maverick), package size 16 kB, installed size 100 kB [02:32] !snap === chris____ is now known as poyntz [02:33] webcam program that takes a snapshot in kubuntu. are there any? [02:33] seems like some KDE 4.6.1 has been pushed to the repository but it is not complete yet… upgrade process complains about dependencies not met. [02:35] is it possible to route any audio output from skype to a sepecific device? [02:38] Probably through pulseaudio === zmax is now known as PC_HuD [02:47] caraca o irc nao morreu [02:47] :P [02:48] oops [02:48] voice #cmg-slaynandkorpil Tyr[a]th [02:48] sorry [03:06] poyntz: gnome-cheese (as far as google can tell me) [03:06] there is webKam too [03:12] Hmm [03:12] What's the question? [03:12] * Daskreech points that metaquestion at poyntz === Guest14861 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest28100 === manuko is now known as manuko|away === Guest28100 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest32448 [04:47] Question, is anyone having an issue with Adobe Flash Player in youtube? [04:47] Like a Red layer over the video [04:59] * Daskreech doesn't have flash installed [05:03] gurubien: it might help if you tell us more about your setup [05:03] * valorie has flash, but no problems [05:03] aside from slow loading, but that isn't Kub's problem [05:04] heh, a friend who uses gnome just mentioned the same problem [05:05] so I don't think it is a KDE-related issue [05:05] I think so too [05:06] what web browser you using? [05:06] Plus it's only happen with youtube [05:06] Firefox 3.6.14 [05:07] The weird thing is that if you open the same video on a pop-up windows. It doesn't happen [05:08] friend solved it with minitube [05:08] Embed youtube videos neither [05:09] she's heard it's happening in Chromium as well as FF [05:09] Also tested Megavideo, dailymotion and nothing, it's only happens on youtube [05:09] you could try Rekonq, or Konq [05:10] i think that is not red line. in youtube that is small red button with text [05:10] seems to be an issue with adobe [05:10] flash ver. 10.3.162.29-0ubuntu0~sevenmachines2 [05:11] 64bits [05:11] maybe could try flash 32bits version [05:13] the 32bits, didn't works before. That's why I switch to 64bits [05:13] I tried it on Konq and it works. [05:13] I only get this issue on Firefox [05:14] can't say i've ever heard of it going in that direction before [05:14] people always have issues with 64 bits and go to 32 === Guest32448 is now known as LjL-Temp [05:19] Well here's a pic http://i51.tinypic.com/5mxnoj.jpg === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest98862 [05:21] Wow [05:22] Now the same with Konqueror http://i54.tinypic.com/n37uoj.jpg [05:25] Hmm [05:44] hello [05:44] please help [05:44] I don't know why my LAN is disabled [05:45] Now my wireless is not connecting [05:47] hello [05:47] ? [05:48] * mr-rich hears an echo ... [05:51] ox3a: I don't know how to help you [05:52] but it is ok with windows [05:52] and evidently no one else here tonight either [05:52] did you recently do some updates [05:52] or make other changes? === Guest98862 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest5834 [06:31] how do I check if I have all my drivers installed correctly? [06:42] AYJHBear: have you tried jockey to check? [06:42] !jockey [06:42] !drivers [06:42] hmm [06:43] well, you can find it in the Kmenu [06:43] just run it, and it will check for you [06:44] you mean the additional drivers? [06:44] well it tells me I am using none [06:44] and that none is needed to be downloaded [06:44] but my computer has a lot of restricted drivers when I was using ubuntu [06:44] I thought they would be similar when in Kubuntu [06:46] hmmm [06:47] well, we've reached the limits of my knowledge, sorry [06:47] when I had a problem, running jockey fixed it [06:47] I see [06:47] it is ok [06:47] thank you [06:48] not many people awake in the channel right now, I guess [06:53] yup === Guest5834 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest57433 === kev is now known as Lon3sword === Guest57433 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest12615 [08:29] ciao [08:29] !list [08:29] This is not a file sharing channel (or network); be sure to read the channel topic. If you're looking for information about me, type « /msg ubottu !bot » [08:31] ciao [08:31] !list [08:51] * c2tarun don't miss me too much ;) ♥ [08:51] * c2tarun is back. [09:18] ops tell rww to stop emailing pics of his private parts ! thanks [09:21] Heh. Now that you highlighted me in here, I remembered, I have a support question. [09:21] If I install packages from the Kubuntu Backports PPA, will I still be able to upgrade to Natty properly when it comes out? === Guest12615 is now known as LjL-Temp [09:22] only if insmod helps you -- but no he wont [09:22] I'm on kde 4.6 from the ppa, and something is broken about kmix === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest96455 [09:23] it just doesn't respond [09:23] insmod: I'm not interested in sparring with you, just in getting KDE 4.6.1 without problems (: [09:23] rww: only if insmod helps you -- but no he wont [09:23] top tells me kmix is keeping one cpu core 100% busy [09:23] rww: easy [09:24] drbobb: ouch. Maybe I should hold off, then >.> [09:24] well I don't know, this just started a day or two ago [09:25] tried killing and restarting kmix, nope - doesn't work [09:25] ok it does work at times but just intermittently [09:26] is there an alternative I could try using while kmix is broken? [09:27] oh it just woke up, but it took like 5 minutes from login [09:35] looks like the clementine player is a lot better than amarok these days [09:42] piffle === david is now known as Guest21209 === Guest96455 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest91550 [10:48] rww: yes, you will be able to [10:49] reason : 4.6.1-0ubuntuX is greater than 4.6.1-0ubuntuX~maverick1~ppa1 === Guest91550 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest40310 [11:45] good morning [11:45] which is the right channel to ask somethink about STARTTLS? === Guest40310 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest171 [12:48] i upgrade before 1 minute to kde 4.6.1 [12:48] what strange look has now the gtk apps: [12:48] http://gyazo.com/ebf5e546b0919cb5d41ef785d9f0e281.png [12:48] realy ugly isn't it [12:48] what going on here? [12:49] also have an error with upgradeing the languagefiles you see in the kpackagekit [12:49] got the error: "trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/rellinks.mo', which is also in package konq-plugins-l10n 4" [12:49] any idea how to solve this? === Freejack is now known as Guest66306 === Guest171 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest39619 === doris is now known as Guest54914 [13:43] Howdy [13:49] hi, how do i configure which notification system I want to use in kubuntu? KDE is displaying gnome's notification style atm [13:50] spawn57: what version of KDE? [13:51] 4.6.1 [13:52] spawn57, do you have gnome-desktop installed as well? [13:52] um..might have [13:53] look in the kmenu for gnome apps like brasero, then you'll knoe you still have gnome , or did at one time. [13:54] err know [13:54] i think I had gnome-desktop instaleld at one time, to try it out, but have removed it since [13:57] spawn57, removong the gnome-desktop won't remove the gnome apps [13:59] hence a lot of gnome sttings are left behind and you still may be running gdm the gnome display manager , on kubunru you want to use kdm , altho that in itdelf doesn't rid you the gnome apps [13:59] * BluesKaj checks his KB batteries [14:00] !kdm [14:00] wow, this bot is in need of updating [14:02] !purekde [14:02] If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE » [14:03] alright, thatnks I'll try taht === Guest39619 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest52809 === root is now known as Guest65564 [14:39] WOW 219 updates? kde got rebuilt in the ppa??? === mren|off is now known as mren === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu to: Official Kubuntu support | Kubuntu 10.10 released: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.10-release | Update KDE Platform 4.5.4 http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.5.4 | Backport KDE Platform 4.6.1 http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.6.1 | FAQ: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ | Pastes: http://paste.kde.org | Chat in #kubuntu-offtopic | Guidelines: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IRC/Guidelines [14:48] shane4ubuntu: new KDE release === fisted_ is now known as fisted [15:24] shadeslayer: ahh, I figured as much, wonderful [15:25] ;) === Guest52809 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest63306 [15:29] How can I copy from one vim to another vim, yanking dont seems to work in this case. [15:36] any good work around for the no /dev/mixer errors yet? [16:03] can someone tell me if it is possible to encrypt the boot partition on kubuntu (if reinstall necessary no prob) and possibly point me to a howto? [16:08] ok, so all I read is stuff like /boot partition cannot be encrypted ... is that true under all circumstances? [16:08] I know a guy with encrypted /boot I think [16:09] maybe "LUKS" will help you a little [16:09] testing [16:09] or "dm-crypt" [16:11] hi, I am trying to decide on a new destro for my netbook. I have an EEE 1001P that I will be upgrading to 2 gigs of ram next week. I mainly use Chrome for browsing, take notes in OpenOffice (or something), Skype for video chat with family, and programming/etc. using things like C/C++, QT, MATLAB, OpenGL, and some other stuff for classes. Have had wifi and audio issues in the past. [16:12] Alonea: Kubuntu I'd say :) [16:12] is it stable? the netbook edition? [16:13] Alonea: I used Ubuntu 10.04 NetBook, it was awesome, Now I use Kubuntu 10.10 Desktop, very good too [16:13] had ubuntu when I first got it and the hardware was a mess. wifi was a battle to get working, audio issues such the speakers not switching the headphones, built in mic wouldn't always work. [16:13] Alonea: Ubuntu 10.10 Netbook threw me off because of Unity, I don't like it. And KDE's netbook is not my liking [16:13] Alonea: I use an Asus 1005 HA and it works like a charm === kronos_ is now known as kronos [16:14] I switched to KDE for a day I think almost a year ago and I messed up the desktop in 5 minutes and had to delete my profile and start over. Is it any better now? [16:15] oh! another important thing to me. Touchpad. It has to work properly. [16:16] had many many issues in the past. thing would go haywire and paste text I never highlighted, would move cursor back midsentence while typing, that sort of thing. Made it really hard to use. [16:16] a lot of ppl are using plain jane kubuntu on their netbooks , the netbook versions leave siomething to be desired from what I've seen in the support chatrs [16:17] Alonea: I had no problems with Trackpad on 10.04 and 10.10, the scrolling on the side of the area works fine too. I have not tried to use more gestures on it. [16:18] ok. I can try out the desktop version. I am not too worried about functionality. I just would like my hardware to work properly. I can happily say this thing has never had windows but for the 5 minutes it had it when I bought it. [16:19] Alonea: I used 7 for several months, and it was not *that* bad :) [16:19] actually, the wifi has been a mystery to me and I wonder if this is a kernel issue as I am getting the same problem on my android phones. I love Windows 7 on my desktop, but my netbook is windows free. [16:20] but then all I do on my desktop is watch movies and play games so 7 is well suited. [16:22] Alonea: Gaming (hardcore) on Linux does not work, I only play casually, so Kubuntu is enough for me :) [16:22] the thing with wifi for me is after a while (Anywhere from 30 mins to a couple hours) I lose internet. It says I am still connected, but I get nothing. So I have to turn the wifi off and on and it works again. I get the same problem on my android. yet all of the mac and windows laptops in this apartment never have a problem [16:23] vanguard: yeah, I play WoW, Civ5, random FPS, photoshop, bryce, 3dsmax, and the list of software that will never work in linux goes on... [16:24] hmm ... ok, so it should work, thx [16:25] vanguard: should I get 10.10 or 10.04? === Guest63306 is now known as LjL-Temp [16:27] Alonea: I would get 10.10 again, it is just more current. I am not a bleeding edge kinda guy, but there is nothing unstable I saw === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest92789 [16:27] Alonea, well, MS spends millions making their OSs as do the companies that want their stuff to work on the Windows platform...compare that to the Linux community and the answer is obvious [16:28] I just installed kubuntu 10.10 on my aspire one AO751h and installed the poulsbo drivers... once restarted, it fixed the resolution and lagginess of the display but my taskbar doesn't strecth the whole width of the display [16:31] vanguard: 20 gigs more than enough for root still? [16:33] Alonea: I use 9.2G of my root partition, but I got stuff like Urban Terror (1.4 G) and so on [16:34] Alonea: So 20G should be fine [16:35] vanguard: figured. I used to only have 10 when I did linux on laptops 3-4 years ago, but upped it to 20 when I got this netbook. I tend to load it with lots of random stuff I want to try out...not like I can't spare the space. [16:36] Alonea: I got this machine pretty balanced, I use 90% of the installed software, and I got just 10G installed [16:37] vanguard: ok, this "startup disk creator" is this available for other distros? Trying to figure out how to make the usb stick [16:38] Alonea: letme check, w9 [16:38] my / is 14G and only 44% used [16:39] vanguard: worst case I transfer the iso to my winbox and do it from there [16:39] KPackageKit does not show the package name, but it is called "Startup Disk Createor 0.2.25", maybe you find it somewhere [16:40] vanguard: well, I am on slackware so its iffy. [16:42] Alonea: you could get the source here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator [16:42] Alonea: source: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+files/usb-creator_0.2.25.tar.gz [16:43] ghjkl === Tabstar is now known as Tabmow === superuser is now known as superuser__ === superuser__ is now known as Peekor [17:07] ssh question: I'm working on my local lan, when I try ssh user@host it denies access, then when I run ssh wronguser@host it asks for password, fails because user doesn't exist on the remote system, then I run again ssh user@host and it puts me through???? [17:07] really odd [17:08] vanguard: ok, I booted the usb stick and it says "SYSLINUX 3.82 yada yada..." and a blinking cursor on next line. Doesn't seem to be doing anything [17:08] the wronguser is the name of my user on the local system, but not on the remote system, the user is the right user on the remote sys, but not on the local, Any ideas???? [17:09] Alonea: I am usually on the install screen within a couple minutes ... but my netbook had some issues with a stick too. I used an external USB-CD-Drive then ... [17:09] vanguard: hmm. Its handled it fine before [17:10] vanguard: don't have an external cdrom. [17:10] Alonea: maybe it is set up wrongly in the BIOS or the stick is wrong somehow, had both before [17:10] vanguard: will look at BIOS again [17:11] Alonea: I too had some problems recently with the USB thing, I think it is a USB problem with the installer of some sorts. [17:12] recently - a few months ago I guess that was, but with this edition [17:13] shane4ubuntu: I have no other way of installing. any ideas? my bios settings seem normal (not like I have much to set on this thing anyways) [17:14] Alonea: no ideas here, sorry, I have a DVD drive, so I just switched and did it that way, on another laptop that the dvd drive didn't work, I just upgraded, it was time consuming (slow connection) and carries some risks [17:14] are you upgrading? or doing a fresh install? [17:14] shane4ubuntu: fresh. [17:15] shane4ubuntu: coming from slackware [17:15] shane4ubuntu: from slackware. [17:15] hmm, perhaps try the 10.04 with usb and then upgrade? or jump into the 11.04 if you don't mind running some beta stuff. [17:16] I wish I had a good answer, but I didn't mess around with it, or try a 10.10 Ubuntu, or Lubuntu, or Xubuntu installation, and then cross over? [17:17] ok, I found out what's wrong...need a later version of syslinux. gah. why can't this stuff just frigging work [17:18] Alonea: because it is linux, and it wants attention? :) [17:18] It is like a pet and likes to be petted. [17:18] >.< [17:19] Alonea: If you want something out of the box, get an iPad ;-P [17:19] I look at it this way, Windows has issues too, but you pay $$$ for those issues, at least in Linux they are free. :) [17:19] shane4ubuntu: yeah, but I have no issues with W7. and I didn't have to pay for it either as a student [17:20] Alonea: what??? free w7 for students??? no, you usually pay a student fee. [17:20] shane4ubuntu: nope. cs kids get it free here. Professional Edition. MSDNAA [17:21] wow, news to me. [17:21] shane4ubuntu: your department has to have MSDNAA (Academic Alliance) so basically the department pays for it. [17:21] Hi! I am using KDE4.6 with kubuntu 10.10. Can I ask support questions here, or should I take this to #kde (considering that KDE4.6 comes from backports)? [17:22] I booted into my windows partition I keep hangning around because it came on my computer, and I just can't stand the slowness of it, granted it was Vista, but none the less. I digress [17:22] scb: maybe even kde devel [17:22] scb: ask away [17:22] scb: actually KDE4.6 went to KDE4.6.1 today or yesterday [17:23] Ah well, I guess I have to update. [17:23] Well my issue is this: I have an Intel graphic adapter. I am trying to set up dual display with my laptop. The thing is that when I hook up the other monitor to the laptop it works fine until something that uses desktop effects kicks in (like Alt tabbing). [17:24] ok, this is odd, according to syslinux: As of 2010-10-19, Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) uses Syslinux 4.01 with GFXBoot.c32 (now officially included) and includes several special patches to allow gfxboot to use some configuration directives that were originally intented to be used only with the simple menu modules (menu.c32/vesamenu.c32). One of these patches will be included in 4.03 but the others are currently still under review. [17:24] but that wasn't the version it said on boot... [17:24] With effects on, in the secondary screen (my laptop screen in this case) a chunk of the primary screen gets pushed onto it. [17:24] * shane4ubuntu runs from the intel dual display problem, again. [17:25] shane4ubuntu: has happened before? I googled I swear. [17:25] scb: you weren't in here a couple of weeks ago asking about dual monitor with intel were you? [17:25] No. [17:26] scb try updating/upgrading and see if that fixes it, may save you time, if not, someone was helping someone else on something similar to this, but I don't remember details. I know nothing of intel setup, I use nvidia. === Guest92789 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest57979 [17:30] shane4ubuntu: That's what I am going to do first. I'll be back in a while. [17:30] scb, hopefully that will fix it. [17:31] shane4ubuntu: vanguard: going to try latest version of UNetbootin. Maybe that will use the right syslinux. [17:32] Alonea: hopefully, I didn't think of that. [17:33] shane4ubuntu: according to forums it seems it will. methinks somebody should fix the usbcreator that comes with the iso. [17:34] Alonea: yeah, a bug report needs to be filed for that. [17:35] shane4ubuntu: well, probably already has as this issues has been here since last Nov, if not earlier [17:39] shane4ubuntu: well, UNetbootin worked. Thankfully [17:40] Alonea: ahh, great, thanks for letting me know, [17:40] shane4ubuntu: just make sure if you are using ubuntu that its updated. for many it isn't. [17:41] shane4ubuntu: which you may have to get from their site if the repo isn't updated. === SJrX is now known as SJr [17:42] shadeslayer: thanks :) [17:42] er .. for? :D [17:43] shadeslayer: the backports -> natty question from, umm 7 hours ago ;) [17:43] * rww just woke up [17:44] ah [17:44] sure np :) [17:45] i am trying to set up pwauth at my system but couldn't managed it, i followed the steps defined here:http://www.pyxzl.net/store/authnz.php, installed pwauth, changed the permission of the pwauth binary by setting stick bit, the pwauth file was created so i didnT changed it but echo $? never returned 0 [17:45] and idea? [17:46] ogzy: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. === kmp is now known as bWFk === andrew_ is now known as Guest56140 === bWFk is now known as _bWFk [18:03] Can anyone help me? I'm trying to configure the 5.1 surround sound and want to change the subwoofer, rear, front speakers etc individually. It seems like I can make it run 5.1 but cannot configure the sound for each individual speakers. Any ideas? I'm using KMix right now. === MuzerAway is now known as Muzer [18:11] FAIL...I have to register computer to use on school network...but rekonq fails at this. java script errors galore. and not other preinstalled browser? [18:12] Alonea:should be a firefox installer [18:14] Peace-: doesn't seem to be working. [18:15] Peace-: says I don't have it in the repo [18:15] Alonea: open a konsole [18:15] Alonea: sudo apt-get install firefox [18:16] Peace-: says not available [18:16] Alonea: you have a connection ? [18:16] i mean internet connection ? [18:17] Peace-: no. I can't get one until I register computer. I can't register computer with this rekonq thing. it just throws java script errors. [18:18] Peace-: I will just install FF from source [18:19] Alonea: you are on line right now [18:20] Alonea: you should get the deb [18:20] Peace-: from where? firefox.com just gave me tar.bz2. not deb [18:21] Peace-: oh yeah, nm. You just unarchive the .tar and run the firefox executable [18:21] Alonea: i want know you are chatting with that computer you have to use to register your stuff? [18:22] Peace-: no. this is on my desktop with W7 [18:22] Peace-: I went to firefox site and downloaded it on here and transferred with thumb drive [18:22] Alonea: you have to get the debian pacakges [18:23] Alonea: get a kubuntu live cd [18:23] Peace-: no. I don't have to get the debian. I can use the one firefox themselves. [18:23] as you wish [18:24] Peace-: its already precompiled so its just unarchive and run [18:24] so do it [18:25] Peace-: and...registered! Now I can go get chrome or see how the FF4 beta is on here. [18:26] that is strange, there should be an app firefox-installer on the computer ... [18:26] vanguard: there is, but it didn't work [18:27] vanguard: there is === Guest57979 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest83456 === gary_ is now known as Guest91239 === mauricio is now known as Guest69000 === Guest69000 is now known as ubuntux === Guest83456 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest97443 === Muzer is now known as MuzerAway [19:43] hello guys [19:45] apparle: hi === MuzerAway is now known as Muzer [19:46] hey... it is not a support question, I was just wondering about general people [19:46] :P [19:46] apparle: I did replace my old nvidia 7200GT with a 250GTS a while ago, but that was more for the sake of gaming than actual need [19:47] also I was wondering, does nvidia provide good enough linux support or it also drops customers after some years like ati [19:47] yofel: 250gts for how much [19:47] nVidia is definitely better than ATi [19:48] and that pains me... since i was thinking of buying the new MBP [19:48] there are working graphics drivers for maverick for cards older than 10 years (although it took them a while to add the support and us even longer to package that :S) [19:50] the 250GTS is about 100€ from what I see, can't remember how much I payed back then [19:50] hmmm [19:51] I am thinking of 9500GT. its is for simple gaming and normal videos, what say [19:52] I was just worried if 9xxx series would be too old and may become legacy soon [19:52] that'll probably be enough, I remembered that I bought the card since the 7200 supports neither vdpau nor cuda + it was rather slow.. [19:52] yofel: any idea on that ^ As to how frequently they declare them as legacy [19:52] shadeslayer: personal opinion: stay away from ati [19:53] well, the 9XXX is legacy compared to the 4XX, but even the current nvidia driver still supports 6XXX cards [19:53] shadeslayer: my onboard GPU caused so many problems with linux [19:53] apparle: it switches to intel to save power [19:53] so idk how it would work [19:54] shadeslayer: what [19:54] apparle: switchable graphics card [19:54] it has the Intel 3000 HD and a ATi Card [19:55] yofel: also, I have foxconn RC4107MA and Pentium D and 1.5GB RAM, would it be any performace improvement if I add in a 9500 [19:55] shadeslayer: if you plan to use linux then avoid ATi [19:55] yeah [19:55] * shadeslayer will try [19:55] err, no idea, but I doubt unless someone starts to implement parts of Qt in OpenCL [19:56] apparle: altho i bet fglrx supports the newer cards [19:56] if the 9500 supports that, never bothered to look at OpenCL too much [19:57] shadeslayer: My MoBo southbridge is from ATi and it required quirks for sound. and for last 3 version I have to create bugs for graphics drivers and get them fixed, and performace is horrible [19:57] yofel: from gaming point of view [19:57] yofel: and performace of kwin [19:58] ouch [19:58] shadeslayer: but you don't know when they will drop support for the new cards [19:58] yofel: what [19:58] well, kwin performance will probably be better, but somehow that is hard to measure [19:59] yofel: right now when I close a window, its entry in the taskbar/manager takes 3-4 secs to disappear [19:59] o.O [20:00] yofel: and worst, in natty there is supposedly a new driver. Screen goes black if I enable kwin and if I don't then every alternate line is corrupted [20:01] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro8-1/Natty [20:01] oooh [20:01] yofel: that's why I thought I would buy a nvidia [20:01] apparle: that's an ATI card? [20:01] I do remember someone in +1 telling the same [20:01] yofel: onboard gpu Xpress Radeon 200 [20:02] ah [20:02] yofel: btw can you direct me to the right person to get this fixed before natty releases [20:02] yeah, the open source drivers work odd from what I hear - and IIRC ati doesn't give fglrx support long for the xpress cards [20:03] yofel: mine was 3 years old when they dropped support [20:03] apparle: no idea, if you have a bug filed you can probably ask in #ubuntu-x if you need to add anything more [20:03] apparle: yeah, that sounds like what I hear usually as timeframe [20:04] yofel: 3 years is unfair.... normally people don't change their computers so fast [20:04] nouveau (open source nvidia driver) isn't really great either - but works well considering it's done by reverse engeneering and nvidia does give proper support for it's cards [20:04] shadeslayer: why are you thinking of a mac [20:04] apparle: agreed, but the cards are supposed to be supported by the open source driver - if that doesn't work then I don't know [20:05] apparle: unibody aluminium, great build quality, great specs, ( thunderbolt ? :P ) [20:05] shadeslayer: what use is thunderbolt if you don't have devices [20:05] shadeslayer: why not alienware [20:05] apparle: not right now there are no devices, they will come soonish [20:06] apparle: i'm not buying a dell again [20:06] i have a XPS right now [20:06] and it's supposed to be a high end system [20:06] shadeslayer: be practical, in india it will take enough time for these devices to become affordable and useful [20:06] macbooks sure are nice, but I usually only hear issues with the hardware support all the time - so I'm not going to bother. Thinkpads cost the same and work fine with equal specs [20:07] shadeslayer: don't compare alienware with xps, that is a altogether different class [20:07] yofel: alot of the developers had macbooks at UDS, so i guess they can be made to work [20:07] someone even did a post on it [20:07] apparle: seeing how Dell has taken over Alienware.... i don't trust them [20:08] ok, then we just have a lot of macbook users I guess ^^ [20:08] yofel: +1 about hardware issues [20:08] it's going to be a close call [20:08] Thinkpad or MBP [20:08] Oi, you guys got a Kubuntu wiki channel? [20:08] I do wonder if that magic trackpad would work with my non-apple desktop though ^^ [20:08] that it uses bluetooth is probably not a good start [20:09] zkriesse: talk to DarkwingDuck in #kubuntu-devel [20:10] shadeslayer: Heh, he's the one who recruited me [20:10] ah [20:10] :D [20:10] zkriesse: welcome!!! [20:10] I'm a wiki guru which is why he grabbed me [20:10] zkriesse: i know :) [20:10] i'm on #ubuntu-youth remember :P [20:10] :D === ryanakca_ is now known as ryanakca === c2tarun_ is now known as c2tarun [20:18] what all did I miss [20:18] what is going on with kubuntu wiki, are we making one because I don't remember ever seeing a kubuntu wiki other than blueprint for next versions [20:23] apparle: Kubuntu wiki is Ubuntu wiki [20:24] why does microblogging save only 25 messages. I set the timeline size to 100 msgs === Guest97443 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest76458 === patrick is now known as Guest44569 [20:55] hi [20:55] hello [20:55] i am looking for some info on progranmmming [20:56] nike /IELTS [20:57] I want to learn how to make simple widgets for KDE, is there a IDE, that has some simple built in examples i can play with? [20:59] Guest44569: there is KDevelop - as for the examples you can look at the existing widgets, not built in though [21:00] hi yofel is Kdevelope good for a newb, i played around with c++ a while back nothing more than simple funcitions? [21:00] nik iELTS [21:01] ubuntu_: what are you trying to do? [21:01]