[17:07] <pip__> I like the new graphics at partitioning options in the alpha 3 :)
[19:05] <bal_> hi guys, need a hand
[19:08] <mark76> ?
[19:08] <jmarsden> bal_: Hands are not included with Lubuntu by default... can you be more specific :)
[19:09] <bal_> sorry, installed lubuntu on a machine that wasn't connected to the internet, and now I have now applications installed, or shown in the menu
[19:10] <bal_> the only options in the menu are run and logout
[19:11] <bal_> any ideas?
[19:13] <jmarsden> bal_: Is the machine connected to the Internet now?
[19:13] <bal_> hang on. I have leafpad, but chromium won't fire up
[19:14] <jmarsden> bal_: Get to a command shell, never mind browsers and GUI apps in general, if you want to fix things  :)
[19:15] <bal_> yes
[19:15] <bal_> abiword is there
[19:15] <bal_> ok
[19:15] <jmarsden> bal_: Do you have a working bash shell in LXterminal or similar?  yes or no.  Never mind abiword and other GUI apps...
[19:16] <bal_> sorry, I'm being dense, is it possible to remind me how to drop to a shell? :P
[19:17] <jmarsden> How did you run abiword if there was no menu... ?
[19:17] <jmarsden> How did you "drop to" abiword?
[19:18] <jmarsden> bal_: If the menus work, click Start -> Accessories -. LXterminal
[19:21] <jmarsden> bal_: Hello?  Are you still here in IRC? :)
[19:22] <jmarsden> AH. apparently not.
[19:35] <bal_> I'm back and the pc is now in a Command shell
[19:35] <bal_> no gui at all since I can't find lxtermina;
[19:37] <bal_> jmarsden? any ideas?
[19:38] <bal_> I am deliberately in CLI mode btw. :P
[19:38] <jmarsden> OK.     sudo apt-get update  && sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:38] <jmarsden> So you get the latest stuff from the repositories.
[19:39] <jmarsden> How were you getting to abiword etc earlier if there were no menus and you had no shell open?
[19:39] <bal_> I did it using the right click menu on a txt file
[19:40] <jmarsden> Ah, OK.  Alright, did the    sudo apt-get update  && sudo apt-get upgrade      work as expected?
[19:40] <bal_> just checking now
[19:41] <bal_> sorry if this takes a while, the internet connection here is glacially slow
[19:43] <jmarsden> bal_: OK... BTW you might want to set things up so you can ssh into the Lubuntu machine from the machine you are using for IRC, so you can easily cut and paste commands etc.
[19:43] <bal_> ok, will do that in a mo
[19:47] <jmarsden> bal_: Any progress? :)
[19:48] <bal_> 15mins remaining, for 9 mb...
[19:49] <jmarsden> OK... I have 10Mbps down here (fiber connection), so I'm not used to waiting around for the Internet like this :)
[19:50] <jmarsden> But the fact that it is downloading and updating is in itself positive.
[19:51] <bal_> yeah, it's just taking its sweet time about it
[19:52] <jmarsden> You seem to be in the UK... should be able to get at least 1Mbps in most places in the UK, I would think?
[19:52] <bal_> in a rural area in west wales
[19:52] <jmarsden> Ah, OK.
[19:53] <bal_> at home in exeter, I get around 12-13 mbps
[19:54] <jmarsden> While we wait, what version of Lubuntu are you installing?  10.10, or one of the recent Alpha test releases for 11.04 natty?
[19:54] <bal_> 10.10
[19:55] <bal_> haven't got time to mess around with alpha software atm
[19:55] <jmarsden> OK.  I think I saw the "no menus" issue once in 10.10 but I don't remember exactly what I did to fix it... we'll get there...
[19:55] <bal_> we will, thanks for your time btw. :)
[19:56] <jmarsden> No problem.
[19:57] <bal_> installing on this computer was a debacle, the computer only has 128MB RAM, so it couldn't handle running the cd.
[19:57] <bal_> so I took the HDD out, put it into another, higher spec computer, installed lubuntu, then switched the HDD back
[19:58] <bal_> installing kernel updates as well by the looks of it, so it would probably be best to do a reboot after this
[19:59] <bal_> 5 mins...
[20:00] <jmarsden> Ewww.  That's not exactly the officially supported install method for low RAM machines :)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[20:01] <bal_> Now you tell me. :P
[20:01] <jmarsden> I have no idea if that's relevant to the menu issue, but... it pays to read the wiki pages before installing :)
[20:02] <bal_> yeah
[20:03] <bal_> Still, it boots up, I just have an interesting... problem
[20:03] <bal_> less than a minute!
[20:03] <jmarsden> :)
[20:05] <bal_> ok, it was 128 MB in 20 mins. :P
[20:05] <bal_> now it's installing
[20:05] <jmarsden> OK... so now reboot, and see if that helped all on its own.
[20:05] <bal_> just waiting for the install to complete
[20:05] <jmarsden> OK.
[20:06] <jmarsden> sudo shutdown -r now     # to reboot when the updates are all done
[20:07] <bal_> I thought sudo reboot would do the job?
[20:10] <MrChrisDruif> sudo reboot?
[20:10] <MrChrisDruif> Not sudo reboot now?
[20:10] <MrChrisDruif> :P
[20:10] <bal_> does it instantly anyway
[20:11] <jmarsden> bal_: Oh, that should work fine too.  I use shutdown -r now from habits that are decades old, and my approach works on *BSD machines as well as Linux.
[20:11] <bal_> ok, fair enough
[20:11] <MrChrisDruif> bal_: reboot needs a time thing added....otherwise it wouldn't work afaik
[20:12] <jmarsden> MrChrisDruif: man reboot
[20:12] <bal_> On mint at least, it works instantly without a timer
[20:12] <jmarsden> bal_: I think MrChrisDruif is confusing reboot and shutdown
[20:12] <bal_> Ok
[20:13] <MrChrisDruif> jmarsden: Maybe me too :D
[20:14] <jmarsden> I think, long long ago in the 1990s, under Linux 'reboot' would reboot your machine *instantly* without doing all the clean shutdown things... so it was a dangerous command.  That got fixed, but by then I had learned not to use it :)
[20:15] <jmarsden> Anyway... bal_ did you reboot the machine yet, one way or the other?
[20:15] <bal_> still installing updates. :P
[20:16] <jmarsden> OK... what is this, a Pentium Pro at 66MHz? :)
[20:16] <bal_> a P4 at 2.7GHz, believe it or not. :P
[20:17] <jmarsden> Hmmm.  I'd guess with a very slow hard drive?
[20:17] <bal_> probably
[20:20] <bal_> When doomsday cometh, fear not, for lubuntu will be updated!
[20:22] <MrChrisDruif> Awesome....an updated Lubuntu :D
[20:23]  * jmarsden created a very updated one yesterday... it's called Alpha 3 :)
[20:23] <bal_> running depmod atm, is this a sign that it is close to completion?
[20:24] <jmarsden> You're talking about doomsday, and now want signs... ? :)
[20:24] <jmarsden> I think it is getting close, it means it installed a new kernel and it is doing the post-install stuff from that
[20:25] <MrChrisDruif> Alpha 3 already? =-O
[20:28] <jmarsden> MrChrisDruif: It was a day late!
[20:29] <jmarsden> MrChrisDruif: Sounds like you are behind on reading the lubuntu-desktop mailing list :)
[20:29] <MrChrisDruif> jmarsden: I haven't got in my agenda when all the alpha's etc should be out?
[20:29] <MrChrisDruif> jmarsden: Indeed O:-)
[20:30] <jmarsden> MrChrisDruif: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[20:30] <bal_> it's finally over, rebooting now
[20:30] <MrChrisDruif> jmarsden: Any google calenders for that? O:-)
[20:31] <jmarsden> MrChrisDruif: No idea... it's not my wiki page :)
[20:31] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[20:34] <bal_> aha, the menu entries have arrived. they apologise for their lack of punctuality
[20:34] <jmarsden> bal_: Good :)
[20:35] <MrChrisDruif> Awesome, apologizing menu entries :D
[20:35] <bal_> it all appears to be there
[20:36] <jmarsden> MrChrisDruif: I would prefer they just work ... hearing "I'm sorry, Jonathan, I can't do that" every time I click on a menu item might be a little worrying :) :)
[20:36] <bal_> thanks for your help and your time. :)
[20:36] <jmarsden> bal_: You're welcome
[20:37] <MrChrisDruif> jmarsden: +1
[20:41] <mark76> Does anyone else find the minimise all windows lxpanel plugin pretty useless?
[20:46] <bal_> applying remaining updates via the update manager, will do it by cli next time, faster