[06:47] <artfwo> can anyone give reasons NOT to use cdbs?
[06:50] <artfwo> more specifically, why some Debian sponsors dislike cdbs and recommend pure debhelper instead?
[07:09] <tumbleweed> artfwo: I find it hard to understand what CDBS is doing, and why, and debug rules using it
[07:10] <tumbleweed> artfwo: I can also never ues it without referring to its documentation. With dh, it's pretty obvious what you have to override to do something
[07:11] <tumbleweed> oh, and have you read it? it's far worse than perl. Although I've submitted a few patches to it, and none to debhelper...
[07:11] <artfwo> tumbleweed: that's what I thought, I've had to read the entire /usr/share/cdbs directory sometimes
[07:13] <artfwo> tumbleweed: but it does have some good points, doesn't it? :)
[07:14] <tumbleweed> artfwo: it has classes for doing some things, that dh can't do easily, so yeah there are times when I'd consider using it. But all my packages are dh.
[07:27] <artfwo> tumbleweed: couldn't you point out an example dh-package using pysupport, so I could compare both approaches?
[07:28] <tumbleweed> artfwo: for pysupport, all that's needed would be "%:\n\tdh"
[07:31] <artfwo> tumbleweed: you mean "%:\n\tdh $@"?
[07:31] <tumbleweed> er that
[07:33] <artfwo> tumbleweed: many thanks, your advice just made my rules six times smaller :)
[07:44] <tumbleweed> heh
[07:44] <tumbleweed> I think it makes less difference when you are customising a lot of behavior
[08:51]  * c2tarun don't miss me too much ;) ♥
[08:51]  * c2tarun is back.
[08:54] <c2tarun> I submitted 2 bugs yesterday and no mail from debian till now :( what should I do?
[09:02] <DktrKranz> less than 24 hours is normally not a significant time
[09:03] <c2tarun> DktrKranz: actually I filed a few bugs before this and I use to get a mail in 1 or 2 hours, that's why I asked.
[09:08] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: are you using a local MTA (i.e. postfix) on your system? Or going through a smarthost / direct to bugs-master?
[09:11] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: using postfix
[09:12] <tumbleweed> c2tarun: run "mailq". Does it show anything?
[09:12] <c2tarun> tumbleweed: its empty.
[09:13] <tumbleweed> ok, so it's not stuck on your system. Although it could have also bounced back to you and be sitting in your local mailbox. (you can read your mail.log, if you want to be sure it was successfully delivered somewhere)
[09:15] <DktrKranz> c2tarun: oh, you meant you didn't get an ACK saying your bug has been reported, didn't you?
[09:15] <c2tarun> DktrKranz: yup
[11:47] <webdevbyjoss> hey, guys. I have a problem with installing Qt application, because I can't install required qt-lib. is this a good channel to ask for help?
[14:20] <stefanlsd> Is ubuntu-archive ok with motu using syncpackage to process sync's that have ffe to universe, or would they prefer to manage it?
[14:21] <bdrung> stefanlsd: they prefer to manage it
[14:21] <stefanlsd> bdrung: aah ok. noted. thanks
[15:32] <MTecknology> !info nginx-full natty
[15:33] <MTecknology> !info nginx natty
[15:33] <hyperair> ooh i never knew about !info
[15:33] <hyperair> that looks pretty nice
[15:35] <MTecknology> heh... I thouch ubuntu at least had .54
[15:35] <hyperair> well if .54 is a bugfix release it's not too late for a sync
[15:36] <MTecknology> I'm doing that now
[15:38] <MTecknology> hyperair: You think I could still get a new app in that conflicts with nothing and has nothing conflict with it once it passes through debian NEW either this week or next?
[15:39] <hyperair> MTecknology: you'll have to ask ubuntu-release that.
[15:45] <MTecknology> hyperair: I guess I'll have to find out when it's in unstable. No point in bugging people until it's there. :)
[15:45] <hyperair> MTecknology: you could pre-request a FFe
[15:47] <MTecknology> oh
[15:47] <MTecknology> I guess I'll do that then. I didn't know that. :)
[15:47] <MTecknology> I guess I'll get ready to leave for the funeral while this builds.
[16:04] <MTecknology> hyperair: there we go; bug 729691 added :)
[16:04] <hyperair> =)
[16:04] <hyperair> is it a non-bugfix release?
[16:06] <MTecknology> there's a little bit of non-bugfix; but that's mostly all it is
[16:11] <psusi> if I pushed another change to my branch, I don't need to request a merge again if the one I requested yesterday has not been done yet right?
[16:27] <ari-tczew> geser: bug 729524, I unsubscribed ubuntu-sponsors, looks like you forgot about it.
[16:28] <geser> ari-tczew: thanks, I didn't forgot it, I simply can't (not a member of ~ubuntu-sponsors)
[16:28] <ari-tczew> geser: oh, don't you want to be added?
[16:30] <geser> as I'm not doing much sponsoring, I don't know if it's worth it
[16:46] <c2tarun> I submitted 3 bugs to debian yesterday and didn't got any ACK mail till now. What should I do? Should I upload them to LP?
[16:47] <Ampelbein> c2tarun: does /var/log/mail.log show the mails as delivered?
[16:48] <c2tarun> Ampelbein: there is no mail.log file :(
[16:50] <Ampelbein> c2tarun: did you send the bugs with reportbug/submittodebian? how is your mailsystem configured?
[16:51] <c2tarun> Ampelbein: I used submittodebian for submitting bug, I posted few more bugs same way and that time I got the ACK mail but it was this time I am not getting anything, I use postfix
[16:52] <Ampelbein> c2tarun: if you use postfix then there must be a mail.log file somewhere.
[16:52] <c2tarun> Ampelbein: let me run a search
[16:53] <Ampelbein> c2tarun: you could also try 'grep postfix /var/log/syslog'
[16:55] <c2tarun> Ampelbein: I have only these files in /var/log http://paste.ubuntu.com/576041/
[16:56] <Ampelbein> c2tarun: erm... what system are you using? that isn't standard ubuntu?
[16:56] <c2tarun> Ampelbein: it is natty chroot :/
[16:57] <Ampelbein> c2tarun: oh, in that case postfix probably connected to the system syslog-daemon.
[16:57] <c2tarun> Ampelbein: oh wait sorry... I used my main sys for submittodebian wait
[16:59] <Ampelbein> c2tarun: you can use something like 'grep postfix.*submit\@bugs\.debian /var/log/syslog' on your mainsystem to find only the mails to the debian tracker
[17:03] <c2tarun> Ampelbein: here is my mail log for debian http://pastebin.com/4ELdNMDz
[17:03] <c2tarun> Ampelbein: I guess it failed :(
[17:04] <Ampelbein> c2tarun: yes, failed: 550 malware detected: MBL_144360.UNOFFICIAL: message rejected (in reply to end of DATA command))
[17:04] <c2tarun> Ampelbein: what does it mean?
[17:05] <Ampelbein> c2tarun: the remote mailserver detected malware in the mail you sent. that could be a virus or something thelike... what patches did you try to submit?
[17:06] <c2tarun> Ampelbein: here is the debdiff http://pastebin.com/P6rWVcEm
[17:07] <Ampelbein> c2tarun: hmm, that's strange. that shouldn't trigger any malware detection. maybe it was a temporary problem, just try sending again.
[17:07] <c2tarun> Ampelbein: sure.
[17:08] <Ampelbein> c2tarun: but I would remove the change to debian/control from the debdiff, it's not needed in debian
[17:08] <c2tarun> Ampelbein: hmm.... ok, I'll remove that.
[17:11] <c2tarun> Ampelbein: there is a problem, the debdiff generated by submittodebian is not showing changes of changelog.
[19:18] <TeTeT> hi, I would like to build a newer version of glib2.0 on 10.04 for trying out the new NetworkManager. I got the latest debian directory of the package via svn from svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/glib2.0. How do I get the source now? In a bazaar repo, I could do a 'bzr bd -S', is there any equivalent for svn?
[19:40] <Ampelbein> TeTeT: are you looking for 'svn-buildpackage'?
[19:41] <TeTeT> Ampelbein: thanks, that's it most likely :)
[19:41] <Ampelbein> ;-)
[19:42] <Ampelbein> TeTeT: you have to install it extra though.
[19:42] <Ampelbein> !info svn-buildpackage
[19:49] <TeTeT> Ampelbein: do you know if I can override the pristine check? I need to modify control and control.in to change some build dependencies
[19:51] <Ampelbein> TeTeT: --svn-ignore should do that (I can't test right now)
[19:58] <TeTeT> Ampelbein: starts to build now, thanks again
[20:09] <highvoltage> f/win 27
[20:09] <c2tarun_> If I fix any ftbfs bug for natty machine and submit it to debian. How can i connect LP page of that bug to its debian page?
[20:10] <paultag> c2tarun_: just paste the debbug URL in the report
[20:10] <paultag> c2tarun_: be sure to note it was forwarded
[20:11] <iulian> There's a "Also affects distribution/package" button in Launchpad.
[20:11] <iulian> If this is what you mean.
[20:11] <c2tarun_> paultag: I included the debbug number in changelog. will it be enough?
[20:11] <paultag> c2tarun_: not for the LP bug report :)
[20:12] <paultag> c2tarun_: LP bug should be linked to debian's bts, and when you upload, the changelog should close the debbug and the lp bug
[20:13] <c2tarun_> paultag: how can i link it to debian's bts?
[20:14] <paultag> c2tarun_: just paste the debbug URL in the report
[20:14] <paultag> c2tarun_: be sure to note it was forwarded
[20:14] <c2tarun_> paultag: ok thanks :)
[20:14] <paultag> c2tarun_: sure :)
[20:31] <ari-tczew> lucas_: do you planning rebuild ubuntu archive to get ftbfs output? a lot of errors are deprecated, now are other failrues
[21:10] <bdrung> tumbleweed: pull-debian-source foo unstable fails, but pull-debian-source foo sid works
[21:13] <tumbleweed> bdrung: thanks, I'll have a look later
[21:13] <bdrung> thx
[21:14] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: what's the command will be for snapshot?
[21:15] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: nothing special, if the version isn't available from anywhere else, it will come from snapshot
[21:15] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: so how can I specify package and version?
[21:16] <tumbleweed> ari-tczew: pull-debian-source foo 0.1.2-3
[21:30] <ari-tczew> tumbleweed: ok thnx
[22:22] <ari-tczew> c2tarun_: ping
[23:09] <bdrung> tumbleweed: maybe "Aborting at user request" -> "User abort."
[23:10] <tumbleweed> sure
[23:11] <tumbleweed> we still don't handle squeeze-updates, squeeze-p-u, -security, etc
[23:12] <bdrung> tumbleweed: your comments to bug #728751?
[23:13] <tumbleweed> the comma is optional. It's probably more correct to omit it, although I also use them like that quite often.
[23:19] <bdrung> tumbleweed: and the restructuring of the if clause?
[23:19] <tumbleweed> works for me
[23:20] <bdrung> and the error message format change?
[23:20] <tumbleweed> it seems a more maintainable solution
[23:20] <bdrung> tumbleweed: ok, then feel free to merge that branch. i am going to bed now.