[00:16] <bryceh_> new wayland snapshot pushed to universe
[00:17] <bryceh_> (might need a ffe, I don't remember if we need that for stuff in uni)
[00:18] <kklimonda> bryceh_: we do
[00:25] <bryceh_> [ubuntu/natty] wayland 0.1~git20110214.e4762a6a-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[00:25] <bryceh_> looks like it got in anyway
[00:26] <kklimonda> FFe is not enforced
[00:26] <kklimonda> you are just supposed to ask for it before uploading :)
[00:27] <bryceh_> alright, well I don't think it matters at all in this case
[00:28] <kklimonda> neither do I, it makes sense to update wayland for as long as possible
[00:29] <bryceh_> actually what I uploaded is the last snapshot we can do anyway
[00:29] <bryceh_> next revision in git requires updating mesa to a git snapshot
[00:30] <bryceh_> newer wayland will have to hang out in edgers
[00:31] <kklimonda> does wayland really have a chance to replace X in the foreseable future? Is Nvidia going to support it at some point? I know they did say that they have no plans, but is it even something they can do without using KMS, GEM and other three-letter-long technologies?
[00:35] <bryceh_> yep, all good questions
[00:38] <bryceh_> well, even if we ignore NVIDIA or imagine -nouveau becoming a totally good replacement, there still is lots of work needed in compiz and gtk to be able to run on wayland
[00:39] <bryceh_> so I don't think we're anywhere near close to switching
[00:39] <bryceh_> I'm not even sure we're very close to wayland being a useful alternative 
[00:39] <kklimonda> well, by foreseable future I meant 3 to 5 years
[00:39] <kklimonda> or do you also mean that? :)
[00:39] <bryceh_> ah, I assumed you meant 1-2 ubuntu releases
[00:40] <kklimonda> well, 1-2 LTS releases :)
[00:40] <bryceh_> yeah given 3-5 years I could see it happening
[00:40] <bryceh_> but like I said it requires a whole heap of userspace work 
[00:41] <bryceh_> and actually I suspect we'll see something like wayland used for the login screen, and then that launches into X for regular user stuff
[00:41] <bryceh_> *that* we might see within a year or so
[00:41] <kklimonda> is wayland even something that all involved parties has agreed upon?
[00:41] <bryceh_> define all involved parties ;-)
[00:41] <bryceh_> for us, it's what Mark wants, so...
[00:42] <kklimonda> well, if we talk userspace then I meant Gtk+ and Qt developers mostly
[00:42] <bryceh_> I've no idea
[00:42] <bryceh_> it's another good question
[00:43] <kklimonda> I know some work is being done, but so far it's mostly side projects.
[00:47]  * bryceh_ nods
[19:18] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, ath9k appears to be pretty good in the latest .38 kernel rc. they might have finally got it right.
[19:18] <bjsnider> ath5k is good too