[03:13] <zkriesse> Allo gent's/girls
[03:13] <jjesse-vm> allo
[03:14] <zkriesse> Oi, it's Jjesse!
[03:14] <zkriesse> How ya been man
[03:16] <jjesse-vm> good how are you?
[03:16] <zkriesse> Oh decent
[03:16] <jjesse-vm> good to hear that
[03:16] <zkriesse> Trying to get over this damn cold I have
[03:17] <jjesse-vm> coolio
[03:17] <jjesse-vm> getting ready for bed
[03:17] <zkriesse> K later then
[03:17] <zkriesse> Enjoy sleep
[03:32] <Daskreech> jjesse-vm: Hi 
[03:32] <Daskreech> Doh!
[03:32] <Daskreech> Missed hin :)
[03:32] <Daskreech> Him
[03:32] <zkriesse> :d
[03:32] <zkriesse> Lols
[05:51] <c2tarun> good morning :)
[08:15] <bambee> morning
[08:33] <c2tarun> can anyone please tell me what is project-neon exactly?
[08:44] <valorie> c2tarun: it is a way to easily install trunk
[08:44] <valorie> and be able to switch back and forth
[08:45] <valorie> you might read shadeslayer's slides he posted earlier
[08:45] <c2tarun> valorie: where can I get them
[08:45] <c2tarun> ?
[08:46] <valorie> http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Project%20Neon
[08:47] <valorie> or http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Project%20Neon/Kubuntu_Project_Neon.html
[08:48] <c2tarun> valorie: thanks :)
[08:48] <valorie> :-)
[08:50] <c2tarun> valorie: my net is working very slow :( is that any way I download shadeslayer's slides and view them ofline?
[08:51] <valorie> sure, wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Project%20Neon
[08:51] <valorie> <3 wget
[11:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i cannot reproduce your bug about cookies
[11:01] <shadeslayer> i shut down the laptop last night and when i open gmail/facebook today, it directly gets me to my mail/feed
[11:36] <ulysses> I added the Neon PPA to Natty, but I can't install meta-project-neon, the package cannot be found
[11:43] <yofel> ulysses: it's project-neon-base or -all, meta is the source package name
[11:44] <ulysses> yofel: thanks, I see meta-project-neon on the Launchpad page
[11:45] <yofel> which one?
[11:45] <yofel> ah, the ppa page? that shows source package names, you need to expand the package details to list binary package names
[12:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and yet it is there :P
[12:46] <apachelogger> if you tell me how to debug it I shall gladly do that
[13:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping ping ping ping ping
[13:09] <apachelogger> debian/not-installed:usr/lib/qt4/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlite3.so # TODO get kubuntu mobile using sqlite
[13:09] <apachelogger> groovy
[13:09] <apachelogger> not-installed
[13:09] <apachelogger> love it
[13:36] <bambee> apachelogger: what about your tablet ? :)
[13:36] <bambee> (I acquired a tablet recently right ?)
[13:37] <bambee> s/i/you/
[13:37] <kubotu_> bambee meant: "(I acquyoured a tablet recently right ?)"
[13:37]  * apachelogger just broke wifi
[13:40]  * bambee executes kubotu_->setProperty("quiet", QVariant(true));
[13:44] <yofel> just be happy that kubotu_ stopped talking nonsense
[13:52] <apachelogger> we can change that
[13:52] <apachelogger> bambee: not really kubotu_'s fault that you don't use the right commands :P
[13:52] <apachelogger> kubotu_: restart
[13:53] <bambee> apachelogger: arrfff :P
[14:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[14:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I forgot 
[14:30] <apachelogger> ah
[14:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: didnt you see the rendering issues with gmail are fixed or something?
[14:31] <apachelogger> in rekonq
[14:31] <apachelogger> also gmail is so incredibly slow I can start scrolling before going to bed and maybe it is finished by the time I get up
[14:32] <apachelogger> also
[14:32] <apachelogger> it always pops up a download dialog for safari.jsp
[14:32] <apachelogger> no clue why
[14:32] <apachelogger> I go somewhere
[14:32] <apachelogger> save as pops up
[14:38] <shadeslayer> yes that's a bug and it's been reported and targetted for 0.7
[14:38] <shadeslayer> i think it's a adblock issue and such
[14:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you figure out how to set focus stealing for tabs yet? :P
[14:39] <shadeslayer> and rekonq has demand attention set instead of raisewindow .... 
[14:39] <shadeslayer> ( for clicking url's in quassel and such )
[14:40] <shadeslayer> and yeah i experience some weird hang's as well .... don't know if those are reported yet or not
[14:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you have a ATi card... i blame everything on AMD
[14:41] <shadeslayer> ( the issue with tab's is also known and is being worked upon as we speak )
[14:42]  * shadeslayer upgrades to 4.6.1
[14:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: that bug is most reproducible on kde-look.org
[14:43] <shadeslayer> or kde-apps.org
[14:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/6613
[15:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I have an intel chip...
[15:38] <shadeslayer> s/amd/Intel
[15:38] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: about attention vs. raise window
[15:38] <apachelogger> I think attention is indeed more appropriate
[15:38] <apachelogger> BUT
[15:38] <apachelogger> fails utterly on netbook
[15:38] <apachelogger> as apps-demands-attention is not supported in the task management paradigm at all
[15:39] <shadeslayer> well ... one could check the size of the screen and choose accordingly
[15:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: what do you think about putting kpk in the SAL favorites?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> like we do in plasma-netbook
[15:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: I do not see how anyone would find it unless thye know where it is
[15:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is bogus, if at all you should query dbus and check whether plasma-netbook or something else is used
[15:40] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:40] <apachelogger> of course that is a bloody workaround
[15:40] <shadeslayer> lol
[15:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should talk to mgraesslin really
[15:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I could also imagine somehow making attention demanding possibly in plasma-netbook
[15:41] <apachelogger> have the task dropdown thing flash wildly or somesuch
[15:41] <apachelogger> display a troll head
[15:41] <shadeslayer> haha
[15:42] <apachelogger> hm
[15:42] <apachelogger> kpk has bad UX
[15:42] <apachelogger> for some reason I expected the search to be on-the-fly rather than once-you-hit-enter
[15:42] <apachelogger> might be because it looks more like a filter
[15:43]  * apachelogger installs lightweight working browser
[15:43] <shadeslayer> wtf is happening
[15:43] <shadeslayer> kde-apps.org is broken
[15:43] <apachelogger> they are surely switching to owncloud right now
[15:43] <apachelogger> did you not get the memo? :P
[15:43] <apachelogger> s/memo/maemo
[15:43] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i got the android ... not the maemo
[15:44] <apachelogger> lame
[15:44] <apachelogger> talking about android
[15:44] <shadeslayer> and yet you have a android tablet
[15:44] <apachelogger> is there any better virtual keyboards?
[15:44] <apachelogger> is there any better home screen stuff?
[15:44] <apachelogger> is there any better wallpaper mumbo jumbo
[15:44] <apachelogger> ?
[15:44] <shadeslayer> Try out the HTC IME Mod
[15:45] <apachelogger> also FTR, I have an android tablet so that I can remove android and put kyoubuntoo on it
[15:45] <shadeslayer> ^^ something i want  to do with my phone
[15:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: konqueror works 9000% better than rekonq
[15:45] <apachelogger> please explain
[15:45] <shadeslayer> what
[15:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: konqueror is outdated and uses KHTML which is older than IE6
[15:46] <apachelogger> dude
[15:46] <apachelogger> your browser uses webkit which is based on khtml, making it older than IE 6
[15:46] <apachelogger> also, dont stop IE6, it was the longest serving and most adopted web browser evar
[15:46] <shadeslayer> "based on KHTML" vs "Uses KHTML"
[15:47] <shadeslayer> also .. does someone even maintain KHTML now? 0.o
[15:47] <apachelogger> yes
[15:47] <shadeslayer> poor guy/s
[15:47] <apachelogger> stop bashing khtml alraedy
[15:47] <shadeslayer> so like fregl is coming ... 
[15:47] <apachelogger> IMHO it has a way more hackable tree than webkit anyway
[15:47] <shadeslayer> fregl: will you bring CD's of Fluffy?
[15:47] <fregl> bring where?
[15:47] <apachelogger> paris
[15:48] <apachelogger> hilton
[15:48] <shadeslayer> fregl: you're coming to Bangalore right?
[15:48] <fregl> I am in Bangalore :D
[15:48] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:48] <shadeslayer> :O
[15:48] <shadeslayer> fregl: i arrive on tuesday
[15:48] <shadeslayer> fregl: what's the weather like :P
[15:49] <fregl> cold, or so they say
[15:49] <shadeslayer> cold? 0.o
[15:49] <fregl> only like 17 deg cel
[15:49] <shadeslayer> it's flipping 32oC
[15:49] <shadeslayer> ^^ in the day :P
[15:49]  * apachelogger is freezing just thinking about 17
[15:49] <apachelogger> kubotu: weather somewhere, austria
[15:49] <apachelogger> kubotu: hello?!?!?
[15:49] <kubotu> re apachelogger
[15:49] <apachelogger> -.-
[15:49] <apachelogger> kubotu: help weather
[15:49] <kubotu> no help for topic weather
[15:50] <apachelogger> you can go scru yerself!
[15:50] <apachelogger> kubotu: config list
[15:50] <kubotu> modules: server, lastfm, http, wikipedia, send, autoop, nickserv, markov, irclog, irc, remote, debug, seen, rss, factoids, poll, core, twitter, rejoin, keyword, log, greet, plugins, translator, google, auth, encoding, salut, host, ri, chanserv, wheelfortune
[15:50] <apachelogger> kubotu: config list core
[15:50] <kubotu> core.save_every, core.nick_postfix, core.db, core.address_prefix, core.run_as_daemon, core.private_replies, core.language, core.reply_with_nick
[15:50] <apachelogger> kubotu: config list plugins
[15:50] <kubotu> plugins.whitelist, plugins.path, plugins.blacklist
[15:50] <apachelogger> kubotu: config get plugins.blacklist
[15:50] <kubotu> plugins.blacklist: azgame, chucknorris, deepthoughts, delicious, dice, digg, forecast, fortune, freshmeat, geoip, imdb, math, roulette, slashdot, spell, theyfightcrime, threat, wheeloffortune, youtube, dictclient, dict, realm, grouphug, bash, cal, weather, rot, hl2, wow, tube, url, remotectl, linkbot, babel, figlet, debug, quiz
[15:50] <apachelogger> whatever happend to the weather plugin
[15:50] <apachelogger> ah
[15:51] <apachelogger> forecast maybe
[15:51] <apachelogger> kubotu: config rm forecast from plugins.blacklist
[15:51] <kubotu> plugins.blacklist: azgame, chucknorris, deepthoughts, delicious, dice, digg, fortune, freshmeat, geoip, imdb, math, roulette, slashdot, spell, theyfightcrime, threat, wheeloffortune, youtube, dictclient, dict, realm, grouphug, bash, cal, weather, rot, hl2, wow, tube, url, remotectl, linkbot, babel, figlet, debug, quiz
[15:51] <kubotu> this config change will take effect on the next rescan
[15:51] <apachelogger> kubotu: rescan
[15:51] <kubotu> saving ...
[15:51] <kubotu> rescanning ...
[15:51] <kubotu> done. 10 core modules loaded; 55 plugins loaded; 31 plugins ignored; 1 plugin failed to load
[15:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so, I consulted the market for htc ime and it yields nothing
[15:51] <apachelogger> what to do?
[15:51] <shadeslayer> oh it ain't on the market
[15:51] <apachelogger> kubotu: help forecast
[15:52] <kubotu> forecast <location> => show the 2-day forecast for a location. Location can be any combination of City, State, Country and ZIP
[15:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is the point of this shitty market then? :O
[15:52] <apachelogger> kubotu: forecast somewhere, austria
[15:52] <kubotu> Point is not on NDFD grid
[15:52] <kubotu> Couldn't find forecast for somewhere,austria
[15:52]  * apachelogger blinks
[15:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=624416
[15:52] <apachelogger> kubotu: forecast vienna, austria
[15:52] <kubotu> Point is not on NDFD grid
[15:52] <kubotu> Couldn't find forecast for vienna,austria
[15:52] <apachelogger> right
[15:52] <apachelogger> kubotu: config add forecast to plugins.blacklist
[15:52] <kubotu> plugins.blacklist: azgame, chucknorris, deepthoughts, delicious, dice, digg, fortune, freshmeat, geoip, imdb, math, roulette, slashdot, spell, theyfightcrime, threat, wheeloffortune, youtube, dictclient, dict, realm, grouphug, bash, cal, weather, rot, hl2, wow, tube, url, remotectl, linkbot, babel, figlet, debug, quiz, forecast
[15:52] <kubotu> this config change will take effect on the next rescan
[15:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there's also something called swift type or something
[15:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: swiftkey
[15:54] <apachelogger> so why does google deploy it with a shitty default kbd if there is better craps available?
[15:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: they have a full version of swiftkey
[15:55] <apachelogger> trials ftw
[15:55] <shadeslayer> same reason as why they deploy shitty camera software
[15:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and what is the reason?
[15:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: they fail  at making UX
[15:56] <apachelogger> lovely
[15:57] <apachelogger> also where is our dictator?
[15:57]  * apachelogger justed wanted to propose ditching kubuntu and instead make kubuntu mobile as to get rid of shitty android kbds
[15:57] <shadeslayer> dictator?
[15:57] <apachelogger> mark
[15:58]  * apachelogger embraces the you-cannot-play-music-while-mounted-on-pc paradigm
[15:58] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you get Qt on yer phone yet?
[15:59] <shadeslayer> no
[15:59] <shadeslayer> ministro crashes
[15:59] <apachelogger> you are very slow
[15:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the app is foobared
[15:59] <apachelogger> I already have a qml port of qtmobilevlc ready :D :D
[15:59] <shadeslayer> O_O
[15:59] <apachelogger> doesn't do video though
[15:59] <shadeslayer> lol
[16:00] <apachelogger> which makes the whole thing a bit pointless
[16:00] <shadeslayer> agreed
[16:00] <apachelogger> but for that I need to mess with opengl stuffz
[16:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: got the source code somewhere?
[16:00]  * apachelogger is a bit scared of that
[16:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[16:00] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:00] <apachelogger> it is floating about on my hdd in graz
[16:00] <apachelogger> which is like 200km away
[16:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i'm all sorts of out of bandwidth
[16:01]  * apachelogger installs the htc stuff
[16:01] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you need to r00t
[16:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that does not compute
[16:01] <shadeslayer> to install
[16:01] <apachelogger> whut?
[16:01] <apachelogger> why?
[16:01] <apachelogger> WIIOEWIGIH
[16:01] <apachelogger> android--
[16:01] <apachelogger> android--
[16:01] <apachelogger> android--
[16:01] <apachelogger> android--
[16:01] <apachelogger> android--
[16:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it's a zip file..
[16:01] <apachelogger> android--
[16:01] <apachelogger> so?
[16:01] <apachelogger> I do not follow
[16:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/network/rekonq/repository/revisions/master/entry/src/webpage.cpp#L432
[16:02] <shadeslayer> that's the problem
[16:02] <shadeslayer> in rekonq
[16:03] <apachelogger> clearly your algorihtm is flawed :P
[16:04] <apachelogger> aha
[16:04] <apachelogger> the htc ime thing simply crashes
[16:04] <apachelogger> android--
[16:06] <shadeslayer> what
[16:06] <shadeslayer> O_O
[16:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: clearly you did not fix the permissions
[16:06] <apachelogger> there is no talk going on about permissions
[16:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think kpk in SAL favorites is fine.
[16:07] <apachelogger> groovy
[16:07] <shadeslayer> SAL? is that like HAL? 
[16:07] <ScottK> No
[16:07] <ScottK> It's not HAL's sister.
[16:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: search and launch
[16:07] <apachelogger> or lunch
[16:08] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:08] <apachelogger> depends on your POV I guess
[16:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: You aren't supposed to give the minion the complete answer.  Then there's no struggle for enlighenment.
[16:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: that minion is struggling for years, I doubt he will ever make it :S
[16:09] <ScottK> Yes, but it's a journey, not a destination.
[16:09]  * apachelogger notes that the empire of phonon has uniquly awesome ideas for tablety video players
[16:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: did you ever go somewhere just to be walking though?
[16:10] <apachelogger> kubotu: config rm youtube from plugins.blacklist
[16:10] <kubotu> plugins.blacklist: azgame, chucknorris, deepthoughts, delicious, dice, digg, fortune, freshmeat, geoip, imdb, math, roulette, slashdot, spell, theyfightcrime, threat, wheeloffortune, dictclient, dict, realm, grouphug, bash, cal, weather, rot, hl2, wow, tube, url, remotectl, linkbot, babel, figlet, debug, quiz, forecast
[16:10] <kubotu> this config change will take effect on the next rescan
[16:10] <apachelogger> kubotu: rescan
[16:10] <kubotu> saving ...
[16:11] <kubotu> rescanning ...
[16:11] <kubotu> done. 10 core modules loaded; 55 plugins loaded; 31 plugins ignored; 1 plugin failed to load
[16:11] <apachelogger> kubotu: youtube mgmt kids
[16:11] <kubotu> Videos for mgmt kids: 1. MGMT "Kids" Video (4'35") @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIEOZCcaXzE&feature=youtube_gdata_player | 2. MGMT- Kids (5'27") @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7JthgTMHDU&feature=youtube_gdata_player | 3. MGMT - Kids (6'7") @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe4EK4HSPkI&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[16:11] <kubotu> [1] MGMT "Kids" Video (4'35"): HD Version: www.itsjonsalmon.com Article about the video www.canyon-news.com About Abby and Rafael: www.myspace.com/abrafever Just to set the story straight: the facepainted kids in the video are a boy and girl from Los Angeles, two friends of mine, names Raf and Abby. MGMT was not involved in the making of this video, however, they became involved down the line. The story goes like t...
[16:11] <kubotu> [2] MGMT- Kids (5'27"): "Kids" by MGMT from the "Time To Pretend" EP from Cantora Records. Available on iTunes and at www.cantorarecords.com
[16:11] <kubotu> [3] MGMT - Kids (6'7"): Music video by MGMT performing Kids. (c) 2009 Sony Music Entertainment
[16:11] <apachelogger> srsly
[16:11] <apachelogger> who needs that many hits
[16:11] <apachelogger> good lawd
[16:11] <apachelogger> kubotu: config list youtube
[16:11] <kubotu> youtube.hits, youtube.descs, youtube.formats
[16:11] <apachelogger> kubotu: config get youtube.hits
[16:11] <kubotu> youtube.hits: 3
[16:11] <apachelogger> kubotu: config set youtube.hits 1
[16:11] <kubotu> aight
[16:11] <apachelogger> kubotu: config get youtube.descs
[16:11] <kubotu> youtube.descs: 3
[16:12] <apachelogger> kubotu: config set youtube.hits 3
[16:12] <kubotu> lemme take care of that for you
[16:12] <apachelogger> kubotu: config set youtube.descs 0
[16:12] <kubotu> can do!
[16:12] <apachelogger> kubotu: youtube the flying bus
[16:12] <kubotu> Videos for the flying bus: 1. Flying School Bus that Transforms MUST SEE! (1'6") @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUDuPWRiRug&feature=youtube_gdata_player | 2. The Making of the Flying Bus (2'10") @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTDJrMu24b8&feature=youtube_gdata_player | 3. Just Cause 2: The Flying Bus (3'59") @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivYQih2TlFc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[16:12] <apachelogger> more like it
[16:13] <apparle> guys vlc uses qt right? so is it linked to the qt libraries in the system or it does something else?
[16:13] <apachelogger> apparle: what else would it do?
[16:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so, is there any good live wallpaper thing?
[16:14]  * apachelogger actually came to wonder why plasma does not have that sorta thing
[16:14] <apparle> apachelogger: then why are the tooltips yellow coloured in vlc and blue everywhere else in the natty alpha 3
[16:14] <apachelogger> apparle: one can customize that
[16:14] <apachelogger> as app dev you can actually change just about anything
[16:15] <apachelogger> mind that our installer is done in Qt, yet it does not look like a Qt app for the better part
[16:15] <apachelogger> (by Qt app I mean a QWidgets based one, obviously a QML based one would look like however the dev wants it to look anyway ^^)
[16:15] <apparle> apachelogger: is there anyway to make it back to blue, it does look odd
[16:15] <apparle> apachelogger: except recompile my own package with a patch
[16:16] <apachelogger> apparle: depends on why it is yellow to begin with ^^
[16:16] <apachelogger> though
[16:16] <apparle> apachelogger: I suppose because it matches with ubuntu themes
[16:16] <apachelogger> actually you can pass a color param
[16:16] <apachelogger> s/color/stylesheet
[16:17] <apachelogger> --stylesheet <style.qss>
[16:17] <apachelogger> or somesuch
[16:17] <apparle> I'll look it up
[16:17] <apachelogger> apparle: where is such a tooltip?
[16:18] <apparle> apachelogger: when you hover your mouse over the play button or stop button etc
[16:18]  * apachelogger looks
[16:19] <apachelogger> well
[16:19] <apachelogger> that looks actually like they paint the tooltip themself
[16:19] <apparle> apachelogger: it is alright in maverick, so I thought why it has changed a colour
[16:20] <apparle> apachelogger: why would they do that, when it used to appear correctly everywhere
[16:20] <apachelogger> there certainly is no patch that does it
[16:20] <apachelogger> apparle: #videolan
[16:20] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes 
[16:21] <shadeslayer> there's a wallpaper with a cute racoon
[16:21] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:21] <apachelogger> :O
[16:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: install fancy widget tho
[16:22] <shadeslayer> quite nice
[16:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any idea how to fix that logic?
[16:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sure, make it less global :P
[16:25] <apachelogger> if your app runs logic on something it should not run it on then clearly you did not define the conditions tight enough ;)
[16:26] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:27] <apachelogger> oggy oggy oggy
[16:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did any of the keyboards work?
[16:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: fancy widget seems a bit pointless TBH?
[16:28] <apachelogger> no
[16:28] <apachelogger> I am back to android default
[16:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well ... i like to have some sort of weather info on my screen
[16:28] <shadeslayer> that's why i have it
[16:29] <apachelogger> yeah but the clock seems utter pointless
[16:29] <apachelogger> as every clock app seems utter pointless
[16:29] <shadeslayer> aye
[16:29] <apachelogger> to that extend I would rather have a weather only applet ;)
[16:29] <shadeslayer> seeing how android displays the time on the right
[16:29] <apachelogger> though I personally do not have much use for a weather applet either
[16:29] <apachelogger> weather in ausria is always shitty, no need of reminding me ^^
[16:29] <apachelogger> s/ausria/austria
[16:31]  * ScottK wonders why one needs a weather app in India.  Isn't it either hot and wet or hot and dry depending on the season (so a calendar is sufficient)?
[16:35] <shadeslayer> ScottK: more or less .. but sometimes there are random spells of rain
[16:35] <shadeslayer> if you get caught up in one of those
[16:35] <shadeslayer> you certainly won't be able to reach home
[16:36] <apachelogger> do it the english way, take an umbrella with you :P
[16:36] <apachelogger> and a hat of course
[16:37]  * apachelogger packs his bag
[16:38] <apachelogger> 3 bottles of whisky, 2 bottles of wine and a tooth brush
[16:38] <apachelogger> done
[16:38] <apachelogger> \o/
[16:39] <c2tarun> apachelogger: you forgot soda ;)
[16:42] <apachelogger> what for?
[16:42] <ScottK> He's probably thinking you want to contaminate your Whisky with impurities of some kind.
[16:43] <apachelogger> whut? :O
[16:43] <apachelogger> zomg
[16:43]  * apachelogger faints
[16:43] <shadeslayer> haha
[16:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i could check if the mimetype is null and just return
[16:44] <bambee> guys, I think a kubuntu-netbook image for ac100 would be great and very interesting for the community => existing solutions are preinstalled non-official maverick images. (ubuntu 11.04 will propose ARM support... It's a good idea, imho). I could help on testing, debugging and so on. (while still helping for x86 tasks)
[16:45] <apachelogger> go ahead and do it :P
[16:45] <apachelogger> or get devices for other people so you are not alone ^^
[16:45] <apachelogger> ScottK is very into netbooks I hear :P
[16:45] <ScottK> bambee: What would it need that a standard arm netbook image wouldn't provide.
[16:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: we even have a standard arm netbook image?
[16:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: We will once we get arm actually working.
[16:46]  * apachelogger notes that device integration work is always good to have on arm
[16:46]  * apachelogger waves fist at proprietary foobar
[16:48] <ScottK> According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ReleaseManifest we'll have it for omap3/4.
[16:49] <ScottK> bambee: What sort of arm is ac100?
[16:49] <bambee> ScottK: it's a cortexA9 so I think arm netbook images should work. But it requires tegra2 kernel supports
[16:50] <ScottK> If there will be a kernel for it in the archive and you're willing to test the images it should be ~doable.
[16:50] <bambee> it requires also a presinstalled image for booting.
[16:50] <ScottK> Yes.  That's what we're going to have for arm.
[16:54] <bambee> the non trivial task : the user must flash the default bootloader in order to boot on SSD,SD or USB... (so boot the preinstalled image)
[16:54] <bambee> ugly but required o_O
[17:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what did you follow to get Qt onto your tablet?
[17:18] <bambee> apachelogger: I do not propose this idea to get people to do it for me but to do it myself or help to do it. Nevertheless If I had some money, hardware donations would have been made since a while.
[17:18] <bambee> ;)
[17:20] <bambee> shadeslayer: the white rabbit (remember matrix) :P
[17:20] <shadeslayer> haha :P
[17:21] <shadeslayer> yow...
[17:22] <shadeslayer> the lighthouse project is like 800megs
[17:22] <bambee> o_O
[17:22] <yofel> what's that?
[17:22] <shadeslayer> Receiving objects:  14% (76268/523612), 143.32 MiB | 2.23 MiB/s   
[17:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: Qt on Android
[17:23] <yofel> ah, yowch
[17:23] <shadeslayer> and that's on your thinkpad btw
[17:23] <shadeslayer> i went O_O
[17:23] <yofel> LOL
[17:23] <bambee> shadeslayer: alpha for now ?
[17:23] <shadeslayer> bambee: Qt on android? yes
[17:23] <shadeslayer> fregl: where are you staying btw?
[17:24] <shadeslayer> yofel: we need help with our environment.rc
[17:24] <shadeslayer> or do you think you can finish it tomorrow
[17:24] <shadeslayer> ?
[17:24] <DarkwingDuck> Quick Qt question... does Qt on iOS exist?
[17:24] <shadeslayer> don't think so
[17:25] <shadeslayer> not yet anyways
[17:25] <yofel> no, as I don't know what the problem is, or what's missing
[17:25] <yofel> according to the kde sysadmin guide all env settings are set, so I don't even know where to start looking
[17:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: i guess we need to ask in #kde-devel, since they probably have all the vars set
[17:25]  * yofel goes reading .bashrc again
[17:26] <yofel> maybe I missed something there
[17:26] <shadeslayer> yeah i'm going through techbase
[17:26] <yofel> shadeslayer: here's a good start http://techbase.kde.org/SysAdmin
[17:27] <shadeslayer> okay :D
[17:28] <shadeslayer> i was looking at http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Environment#.bashrc
[17:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the apachelogger-downloads-foo-installs-exploers-executes paradigm
[17:33] <shadeslayer> now where do i find that :P
[17:33] <apachelogger> actually straight forward, esp since the apk from qtcreator will automagically fetch the communists Qt
[17:34] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:34] <apachelogger> bambee: the ponit of hardware donations is that one tries to find a sponsor ;)
[17:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: seeing how i can't download 800 megs on my machine with such a crappy connection, i'd have to postpone this
[17:35] <apachelogger> Qt is not 800 mib
[17:36] <apachelogger> especially not considering that it is limited to but a fraction of the regular UI stuff
[17:36] <apachelogger> s/not//
[17:36] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "especially  considering that it is limited to but a fraction of the regular UI stuff"
[17:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you try the statusnet cliet for android?
[17:37] <shadeslayer> nope
[17:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the twitter client is pretty kewl
[17:37] <apachelogger> twatter is for non-floss people
[17:38] <shadeslayer> downloading
[17:39] <apachelogger> it is not in me market
[17:39] <apachelogger> this world hates me
[17:39] <shadeslayer> what's not in the market 
[17:39] <shadeslayer> oooh
[17:41] <wilkie_cat> Found I could still use Netbook Remix in the new version of KDE.
[17:41] <apachelogger> netbook remix?
[17:42] <wilkie_cat> In Kubuntu, you have to go to System settings, workspace behavior and select Netbook.
[17:42] <apachelogger> well, yes
[17:42] <apachelogger> that does not give you the netbook edition per se though
[17:43] <apachelogger> it just gives you the netbook shell
[17:43] <apachelogger> wilkie_cat: are you on a netbook actually?
[17:43] <apachelogger> because it should autodetect netbooky devices and use the netbook setup there
[17:43] <wilkie_cat> Last night Kubuntu got very slow and buggy. But to-day it seems brilliant..
[17:43] <wilkie_cat> No I am not on a Netbook. I am on a Laptop.
[17:43] <apachelogger> that explains that then ^^
[17:43] <wilkie_cat> I had a lot of prog
[17:44] <wilkie_cat> I had a lot of problems just after I installed the new version of KDE.
[17:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://identi.ca/notice/66272456
[17:45] <apachelogger> rpld
[17:45] <shadeslayer> what
[17:45] <apachelogger> surprisingly enough it works on a tablet form factor
[17:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: replied :P
[17:46] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:46] <apachelogger> please get the official apachelogger<->english dict
[17:46] <apachelogger> also available is apachelogger<->java
[17:46] <apachelogger> both 50 USD
[17:46] <apachelogger> which is like 0.0007 euros
[17:46] <apachelogger> or 50000000 inr
[17:47] <apachelogger> about 0.000000009 gbp for that matter
[17:47] <shadeslayer> oh i got a haircut btw
[17:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you look like steve ballmer now?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i look like Steve Jobs now
[17:48] <apachelogger> pictures or it didn't happen
[17:48] <apachelogger> oh
[17:48]  * apachelogger needs to leave for train in a bit
[17:48]  * apachelogger adds another bottle of wine to his belongings
[17:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is the status of phonon in qtwebkit btw?
[17:49] <shadeslayer> i have no idea
[17:50] <shadeslayer> seeing how i haven't worked on
[17:50] <shadeslayer> *on it
[17:50] <apachelogger> why not
[17:50] <shadeslayer> dude
[17:50] <apachelogger> do you not want integrated html5?
[17:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: me and yofel are trying to fix Neon
[17:51] <apachelogger> well
[17:51] <apachelogger> that does not help integrated html5 experience in kde though
[17:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: mail.check()
[17:52] <apachelogger> I just closed konqueror
[17:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: use the flipping tablet
[17:52] <apachelogger> that is already in standby
[17:52] <shadeslayer> don't you have the gmail app installed or something
[17:52] <apachelogger> what do I see in the mail now?
[17:52]  * apachelogger as a matter of fact raped the gmail app away
[17:52] <apachelogger> I decide when I check for mail, not some stupid background service
[17:52] <apachelogger> period
[17:53] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nothing in my inbox
[17:53]  * apachelogger puts on pants and a coat and a hat
[17:53] <shadeslayer> whut
[18:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you see the resemblance now :P
[18:49] <shadeslayer> maemologger: so like .. Neon is finally working, want to test?
[18:50] <maemologger> Does it work on maemo?
[18:50] <shadeslayer> no
[18:50] <maemologger> Obviously not then :P 
[18:50] <shadeslayer> maemologger: did you see my PM?
[18:51] <maemologger> Leave me an instructuion page and i shall try back home
[18:51] <maemologger> No pm
[18:51] <shadeslayer> maemologger: just add the ppa and install project-neon-all
[18:52] <maemologger> Kk
[18:52] <maemologger> Qml ftw
[18:53] <bambee> Oh jesus : https://code.launchpad.net/~marvin24/ac100/linux-chromeos-2.6.36 => and apparently there is a proposal which should be merge for 2.6.40 :D
[18:54] <maemologger> Is that a spaceship?
[18:56] <bambee> maemologger: :P
[18:57] <maemologger> Not interesting then
[18:57] <maemologger> /me hacks a bit on phonon
[19:19] <shadeslayer> Nightrose: welcome to india! :D
[19:28] <ulysses> apachelogger: http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/f6c8c021-670e-4db8-b302-ec3d0546ea76.jpg
[19:30] <yofel> can anyone reproduce bug 730008 ? I can't in natty
[19:32] <shadeslayer> if it's a gnome app he's launching its bound to be ugly
[19:32] <yofel> "any KDE application executed with sudo or kdesudo looks ugly"
[19:33] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:33] <yofel> I get a different color scheme here with kdesudo, but otherwise looks fine
[19:33] <shadeslayer> yep, likewise here
[20:09] <jjesse-vm> just trying out rekonq in natty, is there a reason that downlods don't go automatically to the downloads folder?
[20:12] <shadeslayer> hmm ..
[20:12] <shadeslayer> jjesse-vm: can you try out rekonq from my PPA and reproduce the bug?
[20:13] <shadeslayer> jjesse-vm: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra
[20:14] <shadeslayer> they always go to ~/Documents right?
[20:15] <jjesse-vm> yes they do
[20:15] <jjesse-vm> well by default i'm sure i could change that
[20:15] <shadeslayer> well
[20:15] <shadeslayer> i'm looking at it right now
[20:16] <jjesse-vm> shadeslayer:  sure can test
[20:16] <shadeslayer> :)
[20:16] <jjesse-vm> hrm launchpad gave me a server down error
[20:17] <yofel> try a few times, launchpad is drunk today
[20:18] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[20:19] <jjesse-vm> that's probablly not good ;)
[20:19] <shadeslayer> Launchpad and apachelogger got together and had a party
[20:20] <shadeslayer> destUrl = KFileDialog::getSaveFileName(KUrl::fromPath(fileName), QString(), parent);
[20:22] <jjesse-vm> ok running hte update
[20:25] <jjesse-vm> shadeslayer:  ok the version from your ppa prompts me where to save but still defaults to ~/Documents
[20:25] <shadeslayer> yeah ...
[20:26] <shadeslayer> ok .. konqueror does the same
[20:26] <shadeslayer> it could easily be a KIO Bug
[20:26] <shadeslayer> or it could be something that KIO takes as a default... 
[20:34] <jjesse-vm> let me know if there is further testing i can do to help out
[20:35] <shadeslayer> ok now it asks to save in ~
[20:35] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:36] <shadeslayer> w00t
[20:36] <shadeslayer> fixed
[20:37] <ScottK> That or just broken in a more subtle way.
[20:37] <shadeslayer> it's a dirty hack tho : destUrl = KFileDialog::getSaveFileName(QString("~/Downloads/").append(fileName.toAscii()), QString(), parent);
[20:44] <shadeslayer> well .. there's something called a download path in system settings
[20:44] <shadeslayer> i'm trying to figure out how to get that value
[21:05] <shadeslayer> jjesse-vm: fixed in git :)
[21:06] <shadeslayer> jjesse-vm: now what every download path you set in system settings, rekonq will pick that
[21:07] <shadeslayer> s/every/ever
[21:08] <jjesse> shadeslayer ok, vm locked up but let me know if there is anything you need me to do
[21:08] <shadeslayer> well.. since 0.7 will be released for natty, this fix will be included :)
[21:08] <shadeslayer> jjesse-vm: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=rekonq.git&a=blobdiff&h=3e2798d31c29377f23b5abd8b9cebc5766d877e9&hp=cc89a57d407c252887c0f42bfe8c74f857b29ccd&hb=4fc573ab8a27b730ff5c3b36999317b686a6f11a&f=src/webpage.cpp
[21:09] <shadeslayer> now i'm hungry :P
[21:24] <jjesse> is Riddell the only paid Canonical employee for Kubuntu or are there others?
[21:25] <shadeslayer> jjesse: agateau as well
[21:26] <jjesse> oh yeah
[21:44] <Riddell> yofel: we have a patch in kdenetwork for the v4l issue
[21:46] <yofel> Riddell: ah thanks, I'll look at it
[21:49] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: remember at UDS we were talking about having and using docs.kubuntu.org? I was thinking keeper about it and seeing that I have a wiki guy wanting to help with Kubuntu wiki I was thinking of putting together a help.kubuntu.org to sorta mimic help.ubuntu.com What do you think of that idea?
[21:49] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: seeing that the docs are included with every install.
[21:50] <Riddell> a help.kubuntu.org with the docbook docs or with wiki docs?
[21:51] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: it will be a mix. a bit more involved then the help docs and yet a bit more controlled for content then the wiki
[21:52] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: More tips and tricks with the help.kubuntu.org
[21:52] <shadeslayer> gotta <3 git bisect
[21:52] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: can we haz more Kubuntu Specific screenshots ? :)
[21:52] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: well you have to know which it is so you know what to ask sysadmin for
[21:52] <DarkwingDuck> and it will be simplier to navigate and browse then the wiki it
[21:52] <DarkwingDuck> s/it/is
[21:53] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: Yes, the screenshots will be able to get hosted there
[21:53] <shadeslayer> \o/
[21:53] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: look at help.ubuntu.com really quick and you can see how it is setup
[21:53] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: We can also include videoshots on there as well.
[21:53] <shadeslayer> w00t
[21:53] <DarkwingDuck> I hate working from a teathered machine.
[21:54] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: the only reason i suggest new people Ubuntu and not Kubuntu is because the Ubuntu docs have loads of screenshots they can follow
[21:54] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: Yes... That was someting that was asked at the linux con last weekend I went to. 
[21:54] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: it has HTML at / and a wiki at /community no?
[21:54] <shadeslayer> of course once they can properly navigate the system, i offer them a choice 
[21:55] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: Also why I'm not running for re-election for leadership in my loco.
[21:55] <DarkwingDuck> I want to dedicate more timje to Kubuntu 
[21:55] <DarkwingDuck> *time
[21:55] <shadeslayer> w00t :D
[21:57] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: help.ubuntu is offical documentation. I want the official docs for Kubuntu and screen/video casts. 
[21:57] <DarkwingDuck> This way we don't bugger up the size of the sys docs with pictures and videos
[21:58] <DarkwingDuck> Because once we start adding screenshots of all of our stuff it will bloat the size to something I don't even want to dream about.
[21:59] <DarkwingDuck> And, space on Live is big enough
[22:00] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: you want to to type sometihng up that feels a bit more official to sent over to the sysadmin gurus?
[22:01] <claydoh> a help.kubuntu.org would be awesome, and i could help out on that. hopefully it would be faster than the ubuntu wikis
[22:01] <DarkwingDuck> claydoh: Awesome
[22:01] <DarkwingDuck> claydoh: where are you at in this world?
[22:01] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: so would it be stat
[22:02] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: so would it be static html or what
[22:02] <Riddell> ?
[22:02] <claydoh> video and other short presentations would be  a trmendous boon  to Kubuntu and to KDE users in gerneral
[22:02] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Aye. at each release I'll port the documentation as well as new screen casts
[22:03] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: support for LTS and current release?
[22:03] <shadeslayer> or all of them?
[22:03] <shadeslayer> oh
[22:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Neon is a go :D
[22:03] <DarkwingDuck> My cousan works for Apple. He was telling me about a video training program that Apple uses.
[22:03] <DarkwingDuck> We can incorperate that as well.
[22:03] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: Whatever is supported
[22:04] <Riddell> then it'll need a bzr branch and a request to sysadmin to have the website setup and synced off that branch
[22:04] <DarkwingDuck> It will end up being the Kubuntu Support Center
[22:04] <Riddell> I'm afraid I need to pack for india and get on a plane now so I've no time
[22:04] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Okay, I'll set that up tonight.
[22:04] <Riddell> but just e-mail rt@ubuntu.com
[22:04] <shadeslayer> :D
[22:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: bon voyage
[22:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: go in what way?
[22:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it installs and it works
[22:05] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I'll set it up with LP and bzr and email you the details.
[22:05] <ryanakca> DarkwingDuck: What's the new theme for?
[22:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so we can announce along with your talk?
[22:05]  * shadeslayer is using it for the past 3-4 hours
[22:05] <DarkwingDuck> ryanakca: new theme?
[22:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well ... that works as well :D
[22:05] <DarkwingDuck> ryanakca: ahhh, new theme for wiki.kubuntu
[22:05] <ryanakca> Oh, ok, nevermind
[22:06] <DarkwingDuck> ryanakca: with the new branding ect.
[22:06] <ryanakca> We forgot to put Canonical's google analytics blurb in the last www.kubuntu.org theme.
[22:06] <ryanakca> OK
[22:06] <DarkwingDuck> ryanakca: oops.
[22:06] <DarkwingDuck> ryanakca: Yet another one of the little projects I'm going to be investigating.
[22:07] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[22:07] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: have fun in India
[22:07] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I'm dropping my request for sponsership to UDS soon.
[22:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: with whom are you sharing your room with ? 
[22:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ingwa i think
[22:08] <shadeslayer> ah
[22:08] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: support.kubuntu.org or help.kubuntu.org?
[22:08] <shadeslayer> Will meet you on tuesday then :D
[22:08] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: hmm.. help.kubuntu.org
[22:08] <shadeslayer> follow the ubuntu naming
[22:09] <DarkwingDuck> Okay
[22:10] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: I was thinking that too
[22:11] <shadeslayer> :D
[22:14] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'll have to work on this when I get home. Too much for my battery to handle.
[22:15] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: lp:kubuntu-help is where it will be hosted at.
[22:15] <DarkwingDuck> I just registered the project so I'll be pouring information into it shortly
[22:15] <DarkwingDuck> shortly = next few days
[22:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: sandals or boots?
[22:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well .. it won't rain.. so sandals
[22:16] <Riddell> good, don't need to pack socks then, another saving
[22:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did you get the mail about no shorts in the campus? :P
[22:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes, but it didn't say anything about kilts
[22:17] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: LP:kubuntu-help is where it will be. Once I have a working branch populated I'll let you know.
[22:17] <shadeslayer> lol
[22:17] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: looks sexy in his kilt
[22:17] <shadeslayer> yep
[22:18]  * shadeslayer starts disabling random stuff to check if bugs are fixed
[22:19] <DarkwingDuck> Are we still supporting anything before LTS?
[22:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you look very french :O
[22:20] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Read back
[22:20] <apachelogger> also apparently you mailed to somewhere else but lord google
[22:20] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: cant I get a one line summary? :S
[22:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you mean i look like martin? :O
[22:21] <shadeslayer> erm no
[22:21] <DarkwingDuck> I'm starting work on help.kubuntu.org that will include official documentation, screenshots and video training for Kubuntu.
[22:21] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: ^^
[22:21] <apachelogger> groovy
[22:21] <apachelogger> is that news? :O
[22:21] <DarkwingDuck> lp:kubuntu-help
[22:22] <apachelogger> hko is being though about for the last 17 years or so
[22:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also .. i've found out the safari.jsp issue
[22:22] <apachelogger> oh, hold on, kyoubuntoo is not that old
[22:22] <apachelogger> dang it
[22:22] <shadeslayer> but it's a HUGE patch
[22:22] <DarkwingDuck> working on means activly and not just "I'll get to it because it's a good idea"
[22:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: patches must be huge, otherwise they would be broken :P
[22:22] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: ah, even more groovy then :D
[22:23] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I'm going to work on the LTS and get it up and start building form there.
[22:23] <DarkwingDuck> *From
[22:23] <DarkwingDuck> But, that means I'll keed to pull screen casts for tranlated languages. 
[22:23]  * DarkwingDuck sighs
[22:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: reading your blah blah in #kubuntu makes me proud
[22:23] <apachelogger> you are becoming a half way proper clone allright
[22:24] <DarkwingDuck> For video and screencasts... what languages should we include?
[22:24] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: french
[22:24] <apachelogger> there is a list of most awesome languages somewhere
[22:24] <apachelogger> let me ask grep
[22:24] <shadeslayer> \o/
[22:25] <DarkwingDuck> French, German, English, Dutch...
[22:25] <DarkwingDuck> Spanish
[22:25] <DarkwingDuck> Portagisue (sp?)
[22:25] <Riddell> #by order of popcon (de fr es ru it pt pl zh ja nl cs sv hu el)
[22:25] <shadeslayer> it's 4 AM here
[22:26] <shadeslayer> and i'm like ... OMG This needs fixing .. OMG that needs fixing
[22:26] <DarkwingDuck> The only issue with the languages with the video... We need someone who speaks those to be willing to talk and do video training.
[22:26] <DarkwingDuck> Hmmm... This is going to be a nice little undertaking
[22:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: you are faster than grep on /, why is that? ;)
[22:26] <DarkwingDuck> ;)
[22:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: see, proper clone
[22:27] <apachelogger> also ....
[22:27] <apachelogger> stop being in teh future
[22:27] <apachelogger> it is confusing
[22:27] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: No, it's a good thing... then we can work more on the community
[22:29] <apachelogger> immediately I do not understand why
[22:29]  * apachelogger blames it on timey wimey stuff
[22:29] <shadeslayer> oh
[22:29] <shadeslayer> Apple put's in easter eggs as well
[22:29] <shadeslayer> http://www.reddit.com/r/woahdude/comments/fyfj3/mac_usershold_down_fn_control_option_command_and/
[22:29] <DarkwingDuck> We have easter eggs?
[22:30] <shadeslayer> i'm sure KDE has easter eggs somewhere
[22:30] <apachelogger> muon does
[22:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how is inverted colors an esteregg?
[22:30] <shadeslayer> moo.ogg
[22:30] <apachelogger> that is a pretty valid use case
[22:32] <DarkwingDuck> This still cracks me up... http://havethebuttonsmovedbackyet.com/
[22:32] <apachelogger> yeah
[22:32] <apachelogger> I love it
[22:32] <apachelogger> sad that it still says no though
[22:32] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah...
[22:32] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can you give me command for night?
[22:32] <apachelogger> erm
[22:32] <apachelogger> light
[22:32] <apachelogger> erm
[22:32] <apachelogger> something
[22:32] <shadeslayer> what
[22:33] <apachelogger> erm
[22:33] <apachelogger> neon
[22:33] <DarkwingDuck> We'll have to uild one for Unity >:D
[22:33] <apachelogger> thats the name
[22:33] <shadeslayer> ah
[22:33] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: isitworkingyet.com?
[22:33] <DarkwingDuck> I was thinking gimmebackmydesktop.com
[22:33] <shadeslayer> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:neon/ppa;sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install project-neon-all
[22:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[22:34] <apachelogger> thx
[22:34] <apachelogger> we needs one-click-install
[22:34] <apachelogger> like the opensuse
[22:34] <DarkwingDuck> Speaking of opensuse...
[22:34] <DarkwingDuck> They were jerks at the linux con I was at.
[22:34] <apachelogger> you are switching too?
[22:34] <DarkwingDuck> Hellz no
[22:34] <apachelogger> too bad
[22:34] <apachelogger> I am going to meeeego
[22:35] <DarkwingDuck> Not after the way I was treated.
[22:35] <apachelogger> me go one might say
[22:35] <apachelogger> ahahha
[22:35]  * apachelogger rofl
[22:35] <apachelogger> holy steve jobs!!!
[22:35] <shadeslayer> hahah
[22:35] <DarkwingDuck> They wouldn't give my kid a stuffed animal Because my badge said Kubuntu on it
[22:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that wants to install one flippin gib of shit
[22:35] <apachelogger> woosh
[22:35] <apachelogger> kaboom
[22:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[22:35] <apachelogger> and zoooookanga
[22:35] <shadeslayer> try installing debug packages 
[22:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: /dev/sda6              19G   18G  833M  96% /
[22:36] <apachelogger> I dont think so sweety
[22:36] <shadeslayer> :O
[22:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it installs in /opt
[22:36] <shadeslayer> symlink your /opt
[22:36] <apachelogger> dirty
[22:36] <apachelogger> DIRTY
[22:36] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[22:37]  * apachelogger wonders whether he accidently put porn on /
[22:37] <yofel> erm, the debugging packages install in /usr/lib/debug/opt/ so symlink that too :P
[22:37] <apachelogger> whut?
[22:37] <apachelogger> WTF
[22:37] <yofel> blame dpkg
[22:37] <apachelogger> question
[22:38] <apachelogger> why do you strip them at all?
[22:38] <apachelogger> if they are in the same pkg anyway
[22:38] <yofel> apachelogger: E_PKGS_TOO_LARGE?
[22:38] <apachelogger> yofel: so they are in separate -dbg packages?
[22:38] <yofel> project-neon-qt is freakin' >100M
[22:38] <yofel> project-neon-qt-dbg I mean
[22:38] <apachelogger> lzma 
[22:38] <yofel> apachelogger: yes
[22:38] <apachelogger> LZMA
[22:38] <yofel> apachelogger: we already do that
[22:38] <shadeslayer> even after LZMA
[22:38] <apachelogger> zomg
[22:39] <apachelogger> what sort of shit do you compile in qt? :P
[22:39] <apachelogger> anyhow
[22:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: insanely large number of debug symbols
[22:39] <apachelogger> I do not intend to install le dbg packages so I shoudl be good
[22:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: evarything
[22:39] <shadeslayer> yes
[22:39] <shadeslayer> ok now i haz project-neon-all
[22:39] <shadeslayer> \o/
[22:39] <apachelogger> does it contain porn?
[22:39] <apachelogger> or at least easter eggs?
[22:40]  * apachelogger actually thinks about shipping phonon 4.5 with some porn
[22:40] <apachelogger> for testing reasons of course
[22:40] <yofel> that would be a funny sound test lol
[22:40] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[22:44] <shadeslayer> AHA
[22:44] <shadeslayer> adding */safari.jsp to the adblock rule makes it work
[22:45] <apachelogger> workaround@@@@@$!!!@Y&^&*\
[22:45] <shadeslayer> :P
[22:45] <shadeslayer> who said anything about a fix
[22:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does it work?
[22:50] <apachelogger> what?
[22:50] <shadeslayer> neon
[22:51] <apachelogger> oh
[22:51] <apachelogger> I was supposed to install it?
[22:52] <shadeslayer> yes!
[22:53] <apachelogger> you should give clearer instructions really
[22:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Step 1: Install Neon
[22:53] <shadeslayer> Step 2 : World Domination
[22:53] <apachelogger> what is the comamnd again?
[22:54] <shadeslayer> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:neon/ppa;sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install project-neon-all
[22:55] <apachelogger> doesnt run
[22:55] <apachelogger> powershell craps out
[22:56] <yofel> install cygwin
[22:56] <yofel> ah wait, that probably doesn't have apt
[22:56] <shadeslayer> :P
[22:56] <apachelogger> kubotu: google cygwin apt
[22:56] <kubotu> Results for cygwin apt: 1. apt for cygwin « Foo: http://donc.wordpress.com/2006/08/04/apt-for-cygwin/ | 2. apt-cyg - Project Hosting on Google Code: http://code.google.com/p/apt-cyg/ | 3. Cygwin install tips using cyg-apt « SaltyCrane Blog: http://www.saltycrane.com/blog/2007/11/cygwin-install-tips/
[22:56] <shadeslayer> or dpkg
[22:56] <shadeslayer> what
[22:57] <shadeslayer> O_O
[22:57] <yofel> o.O
[22:57] <apachelogger> you underestimate the power of windows
[22:59] <shadeslayer> ok time to sleep
[22:59] <shadeslayer> it's flipping 4.30 AM here
[23:00] <yofel> heh, gn
[23:00] <apachelogger> oh
[23:00] <apachelogger> quassel just turned the day
[23:00] <apachelogger> wtf, that thing can also control time :O
[23:00] <apachelogger> clearly out of scope
[23:00] <apachelogger> stupid fat software
[23:01]  * apachelogger wonders whether he could become gogo dancer
[23:02] <shadeslayer> clearly rekonq is made up of magical code
[23:02] <shadeslayer> i don't understand a word in adblock
[23:02] <apachelogger> oh
[23:02] <apachelogger> great
[23:03] <apachelogger> you need to implement a new strategy
[23:03] <apachelogger> clearly there is something wrong if you have magical code
[23:03] <DarkwingDuck> Hey, how is the spellcheck thingie doing in webkit/Rekonq?
[23:03] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: they could draw squigly lines the last i heard of it
[23:04] <apachelogger> I once drew a line
[23:04] <apachelogger> it was a circle
[23:04] <shadeslayer> clearly google must come in and merge their webkit code with the open source code
[23:04] <shadeslayer> and then Nokia must abstract a API over the webkit code to give us spell checck
[23:04] <shadeslayer> -c
[23:04] <apachelogger> yeah
[23:04] <apachelogger> sure
[23:05] <apachelogger> idea
[23:05] <apachelogger> brisbane could do it
[23:05] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah... so the short answer is nope.
[23:06] <shadeslayer> yep ^^
[23:06]  * DarkwingDuck mutters
[23:06] <apachelogger> you know
[23:07] <apachelogger> khtml has spell checking
[23:07] <apachelogger> ...
[23:07] <shadeslayer> ...
[23:07] <DarkwingDuck> My spelling sucks and I need that feture but I am sooooooooo sick of FF hogging RAM
[23:07] <shadeslayer> you had to say that didn't you
[23:07] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: use krunner to check spellings?
[23:08] <DarkwingDuck> It only checks spelling in clipboard
[23:08]  * apachelogger works on his go-go dancing skillz
[23:08] <DarkwingDuck> So I have to copy it, then check spelling... Yeah I could.
[23:09] <DarkwingDuck> go-go dancing? apachelogger you going to be at UDS in May?
[23:09] <apachelogger> no
[23:09] <apachelogger> well
[23:09] <shadeslayer> i'm sleeping
[23:09] <apachelogger> suppose I could do mon-wed or something
[23:09] <shadeslayer> night all
[23:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nini
[23:09] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhh
[23:12]  * DarkwingDuck smothers nixternal 
[23:12] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14
[23:12] <sleepslayer> Lulz
[23:13] <apachelogger> sleepslayer: go to bed1!#T24
[23:13] <apachelogger> so
[23:13] <apachelogger> once I have midnight installed
[23:13] <sleepslayer> I am in bed
[23:13] <apachelogger> how do I use it?
[23:13] <apachelogger> sleepslayer: get up you lazy minion!
[23:14] <sleepslayer> apachelogger: logout and choose neon
[23:14] <apachelogger> I am watching windows
[23:14] <apachelogger> no time for that
[23:14] <sleepyslayer> Uh huh
[23:15] <sleepyslayer> apachelogger: rm -rf /media/Windows
[23:15] <sleepyslayer> :>
[23:17] <sleepyslayer> apachelogger: are you in the future yet? 
[23:17] <apachelogger> sleepyslayer: my windows partition is called OS
[23:18] <apachelogger> as it is the only real OS
[23:20]  * sleepyslayer stabs /media/OS
[23:20] <sleepyslayer> Look .. its leaking .cabs all over the place
[23:22] <sleepyslayer> Ok ... seriously ... night
[23:22] <apachelogger> yeah sure
[23:22]  * apachelogger commits suicide meanwhile
[23:24] <apachelogger> kwin is gone :O
[23:24] <apachelogger> yofel: I think it woudl be a good idea to prevent kds from applying to neon
[23:24] <apachelogger> the KDS settings are not tested with trunk and thus could at worst prevent proper login to neon
[23:25] <apachelogger> what intersting things one can see in neon?
[23:25] <yofel> I already thought about that - but do you know any other way except ignoring /etc/kderc completely?
[23:26] <apachelogger> sure, patch :P
[23:26] <yofel> well yeah, I hoped for something else...
[23:26]  * apachelogger cant think of anything
[23:26] <apachelogger> oh
[23:26] <yofel> I guess I could make it use /etc/neonrc or something like that
[23:26] <apachelogger> groovy
[23:27] <apachelogger> the date in the clock widget is still not themed according to the time
[23:27] <apachelogger> this is ultimate UX fail
[23:27] <yofel> the mobile broadband provider into integration in KNM worked for me though in neon  - well, it added the information, but didn't actually connect
[23:28] <yofel> s/into/info
[23:28] <apachelogger> yofel: kwin(7385) KDecorationPlugins::loadPlugin: kwin : path  "/opt/project-neon/lib/kde4/kwin3_oxygen.so"  for  "kwin3_oxygen"
[23:28] <apachelogger> KWin: The library /opt/project-neon/lib/kde4/kwin3_oxygen.so is not a KWin plugin.
[23:28] <apachelogger> KWin will now exit..
[23:28] <apachelogger> is that the kwin issue you were looking into?
[23:28] <yofel> *headdesk*
[23:29] <yofel> yeah, pretty much, that's the one, that I can only reproduce it in KVM doesn't really help though
[23:29] <yofel> I wondered today If wrapping kwin in something that set LD_LIBRARY_PATH for kwin only would work
[23:29] <apachelogger> I can reproduce it very much on my here system ^^
[23:29] <apachelogger> yofel: how woudl that prevent the issue?
[23:30] <yofel> apachelogger: I do think it would prevent it since 'sudo rm /usr/lib/kde4/plugins/styles/oxygen.so' is a ridiculous but working workaround
[23:30] <apachelogger> wah?
[23:30] <apachelogger> ah
[23:30] <apachelogger> yofel: oxygen.so is clashing with kwin3_oxygen.so?
[23:31] <yofel> pretty much
[23:31] <yofel> from what I got out of it so far
[23:31] <yofel> if kdm doesn't load system oxygen.so kwin will use neon oxygen.so fine
[23:32] <apachelogger> :O
[23:32] <apachelogger> my kwin is not even linked against any oxygen.so
[23:32] <apachelogger> and the style correctly resolves to neon according to ldd
[23:32] <apachelogger> me@avatar:~$ ldd /opt/project-neon/lib/kde4/kwin3_oxygen.so  |grep oxygen
[23:32] <apachelogger>         liboxygenstyle.so.4 => /opt/project-neon/lib/liboxygenstyle.so.4 (0xb71b0000)
[23:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: what do I use for copyright in n900 integration ... the meego branches do not contain licensing or anything
[23:54] <yofel> hm, wrapping kwin seems to actually work...
[23:55] <apachelogger> oddness