| Zaery | How do i download a build such as https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/2127712 | 00:42 |
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| Zaery | ? | 00:42 |
| wgrant | Zaery: There are usually links to files in the "Built files" section, but we delete PPA packages a week after they are superseded. | 00:54 |
| wgrant | So old ones like that are no longer available. | 00:54 |
| Zaery | oh well, then i'm off to testing some newer versions | 00:55 |
| wgrant | It's unfortunate, but to keep them all forever would require a *lot* of disk space. | 00:55 |
| Zaery | yeah, i understand | 00:55 |
| jfi | Zaery: if you want the last build and stay uptodate, you can simply add the ppa | 00:56 |
| jfi | Zaery, "sudo apt-add-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa" will add the repository to your system, then you can get the packages with the software center | 00:58 |
| micahg | I have a build faillure w/out a build record on armel, do you need the logs for this or can I just retry? | 02:04 |
| wgrant | micahg: openjdk, or something less evil? | 02:04 |
| micahg | wgrant: xulrunner-1.9.2 | 02:05 |
| wgrant | micahg: Do you have a link? | 02:05 |
| wgrant | openjdk took out a few builders last night. | 02:05 |
| micahg | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xulrunner-1.9.2/1.9.2.14+build3+nobinonly-0ubuntu2/+buildjob/2299489 | 02:05 |
| wgrant | micahg: Retry it. | 02:06 |
| micahg | wgrant: thanks | 02:06 |
| wgrant | Doesn't look like it should cause another builder massacre. | 02:06 |
| wgrant | And if it does, I can hopefully resolve it. | 02:06 |
| * micahg actually needs to upgrade a new version, but let's see if the rebuild works | 02:07 | |
| micahg | *upload | 02:07 |
| foxbuntu | Any LP admins around to help me out with an issue? | 06:12 |
| wgrant | foxbuntu: No admins around during the weekend. | 06:14 |
| wgrant | What's the issue? | 06:14 |
| wgrant | I have limited superpowers. | 06:14 |
| foxbuntu | wgrant, well I had some malware on a p.o.s. winbloz machine I fixed as a favor take control of one of my google accounts a break some things and DaveMorris suspended my LP account to prevent it spamming | 06:15 |
| foxbuntu | just wondering if I can get it unlocked now that I have the security issues resolved | 06:16 |
| wgrant | Ah, yes, I heard about that. | 06:16 |
| wgrant | I can suspend accounts, but not unsuspend them. You'll need to ask back here on Monday, or email feedback@launchpad.net. | 06:16 |
| foxbuntu | yeah...very ugly stuff | 06:16 |
| wgrant | Glad to hear you got it resolved, though. | 06:16 |
| foxbuntu | yeah...teach me to help others with their junk PCs... | 06:17 |
| foxbuntu | ;) | 06:17 |
| foxbuntu | Thanks wgrant, I will get in contact with someone post weekend | 06:17 |
| trijntje | Hi all, is there a way to review suggestions done in launchpad offline? For example to get them commented out in a .po file? | 08:09 |
| trijntje | oops, wrong channel, ill add some background | 08:10 |
| trijntje | I'm a translator for Ubuntu and I would really like to be able to review suggestions done in launchpad offline, is there a way to do this? | 08:11 |
| ikt | heya, can anyone tell me why it's importing my code and saying that a team that I'm in is the one changing the code? | 09:55 |
| ikt | https://code.launchpad.net/~ikt/ium/trunk | 09:55 |
| jml | ikt: email address matching | 10:00 |
| jml | ikt: the email address used in the commit is the email address of that team. | 10:01 |
| ikt | yeah I thought so | 10:01 |
| ikt | I changed it | 10:01 |
| ikt | to ts@ikt.id.au | 10:01 |
| ikt | from ikt@ikt.id.au | 10:01 |
| ikt | it hasn't updated :s | 10:02 |
| jml | ikt: I don't think it will. | 10:02 |
| jml | ikt: it makes the links on-import | 10:02 |
| jml | ikt: future commits will be different, though. | 10:02 |
| ikt | yeah I changed the email address, then uploaded a file, imported it, and it still thinks it's the same :s | 10:03 |
| ikt | delete branch and try again? | 10:03 |
| jml | ikt: sure. why not? | 10:03 |
| ikt | jml, nope still says it :/ | 10:08 |
| wgrant | jml: revisionauthor :( | 10:15 |
| jml | wgrant: it caches? | 10:15 |
| wgrant | jml: As they are imported, the revision's author field is parsed and it's linked to a RevisionAuthor. Each RevisionAuthor is linked to a Person as one with a matching email address is seen. | 10:17 |
| wgrant | I don't believe there's any facility to change existing ones when an address moves or is delted. | 10:17 |
| ikt | I don't understand why it linked it in the first place | 10:28 |
| ikt | my name is the same on github as it is on lp, and I'm the one who setup the link and the series | 10:29 |
| wgrant | ikt: It uses the email address that you committed with. | 10:34 |
| ikt | gah :( | 10:36 |
| wgrant | Hm? That's what it should do. | 10:37 |
| wgrant | But it should also know to remove the cached link when you remove the email address from a team. | 10:38 |
| ikt | wgrant, indeed, going to open a bug | 10:46 |
| ikt | what does it say if the email address that it is committed with isn't on lp? | 10:47 |
| wgrant | ikt: It displays the name, without a link. | 10:47 |
| wgrant | jml: Still around? | 11:01 |
| jml | wgrant: yeah | 11:05 |
| jml | wgrant: what's up? | 11:05 |
| wgrant | jml: Any chance you could time a query on staging for me? | 11:06 |
| jml | wgrant: yeah sure. | 11:06 |
| jml | wgrant: EXPLAIN ANALYZE? | 11:06 |
| wgrant | EXPLAIN ANALYZE SELECT COUNT(revisionauthor) FROM revisionauthor LEFT JOIN emailaddress ON emailaddress.email = revisionauthor.email WHERE revisionauthor.person != emailaddress.person; | 11:06 |
| jml | got it. | 11:06 |
| jml | wgrant: http://paste.ubuntu.com/576399/ | 11:06 |
| * jml makes a note to set up a pipe-driven staging db convenience thingummy | 11:07 | |
| wgrant | jml: Thanks. | 11:11 |
| wgrant | That's quick enough to run in garbo, so this is an easy fix! | 11:11 |
| wgrant | Evening lifeless. | 11:16 |
| lifeless | hiya | 11:17 |
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| aroman | how long does it take for users to get upgrades visible when changing a package in a PPA? | 15:47 |
| hangfire | Launchpad slow for anyone else? | 15:52 |
| DaneAU | hangfire, definitely is for me | 16:03 |
| aroman | Please try againSorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server. | 16:19 |
| hangfire | Well, got through eventually :) | 16:36 |
| ti4mi | hello, | 17:36 |
| ti4mi | how can I have two versions of the same package in my PPA? | 17:36 |
| ti4mi | I would like to have a stable and a development package... | 17:36 |
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| jelmer | ti4mi: You can't have two versions of the same package in a PPA - create two PPA's | 18:56 |
| magcius | where's the bug for slow rendering on firefox+nvidia? | 19:05 |
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| arand | What are the p-series and o-series I see in the "copy packages" for PPAs? | 19:45 |
| jelmer | arand: it's a bug they're showing up there | 19:50 |
| arand | Ah, right :) | 19:50 |
| jelmer | arand, you can't actually copy to those series yet. The names o-series and p-series are used because the codenames for Ubuntu O and Ubuntu P haven't been decided yet | 19:50 |
| jelmer | we have already created those distro releases for ubuntu so bugs can be targetted to them | 19:50 |
| dotwaffle | something up with launchpad right now? (nothing in the topic, i notice) | 20:16 |
| lifeless | no | 20:18 |
| lifeless | bah | 20:18 |
| Ampelbein | lp seems a bit slow, that is all. | 20:22 |
| lifeless | any page in particular ? | 20:23 |
| Ampelbein | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz-plugins-main for example | 20:24 |
| Ampelbein | it has only 2 open bugs but takes a good 10 seconds (maybe more) to load | 20:24 |
| lifeless | rendered for me in 1.06 seconds | 20:25 |
| lifeless | checking latency now | 20:25 |
| lifeless | 1.4 seconds to transmit - so we've got some in-dc queueing | 20:25 |
| lifeless | (total of 1.4 seconds I mean) | 20:26 |
| lifeless | Ampelbein: this is probably the overload we're already aware of; I'm working on further config changes to handle this now | 20:26 |
| Ampelbein | lifeless: ok, i just tested with wget: http://paste.ubuntu.com/576614/ 43 seconds | 20:27 |
| Ampelbein | most of the time spent at Waiting for Response | 20:28 |
| lifeless | Ampelbein: are you logged into launhcpad ? | 20:28 |
| Ampelbein | lifeless: yes | 20:29 |
| lifeless | so, I see the massive latency with wget | 20:29 |
| lifeless | not with chromium | 20:29 |
| lifeless | and its fast in wget now | 20:30 |
| Ampelbein | lifeless: yes, now its 0.275 seconds ;-) | 20:31 |
| lifeless | adding no-cache -> slow | 20:31 |
| Ampelbein | lifeless: wasn't the rendering time reported on the page when there still was edge.lp? | 20:32 |
| lifeless | Ampelbein: the render time is in the body of the page | 20:33 |
| lifeless | Ampelbein: developers that are logged in get it in the top right of the page near their username link | 20:33 |
| Ampelbein | lifeless: as a non-developer I have to look at the soure: 'At least 91 queries/external actions issued in 1.73 seconds' | 20:35 |
| lifeless | Ampelbein: yes | 20:47 |
| lifeless | Ampelbein: eventually we may let non devs turn this on voluntarily, but its a bit geeky to have the in main UI for everyone | 20:48 |
| lifeless | Ampelbein: this is roughly what I see - http://people.ubuntu.com/~lifeless/showtime.png | 20:48 |
| lifeless | (thats an older font/style - but sample place) | 20:48 |
| Ampelbein | lifeless: I can understand that. If I really wanted I could make a greasemonkey script to add the info. | 20:48 |
| Ampelbein | but for a non-developer it's mostly unimportant information | 20:49 |
| lvh | Hello! | 21:42 |
| lvh | I have a problem :-( | 21:43 |
| lvh | People want me to use Github. | 21:43 |
| lvh | This is most unfortunate. | 21:43 |
| lifeless | hi | 21:43 |
| lvh | But I have found a potential solution, and it seems quite obvious so perhaps someone else has tried something similar already. | 21:43 |
| lifeless | is this for your project, or their project? | 21:43 |
| lvh | lifeless: Mine. | 21:44 |
| lifeless | its not really up to them then is it ? :) | 21:44 |
| lvh | First of all, trunk commits (lp:someproject) get mirrored to Github. People contribute code preferably on Github in the form of pull requests. | 21:44 |
| lvh | lifeless: Well there's two problems there. | 21:44 |
| lvh | lifeless: 1) I have about 6 to 12 months to live so bus numbers are nice things to have high values for. | 21:44 |
| lifeless | lvh: oh :( | 21:44 |
| lvh | lifeless: 2) A recent discussion on Convore has shown that some people really really really dislike Launchpad. | 21:44 |
| lvh | Up to the point that they will quite happily ignore a project that does what they want. | 21:45 |
| lvh | Because it's not on Github. | 21:45 |
| lifeless | lvh: I'm curious what things they really dislike about LP | 21:45 |
| lvh | Now, of course, that's stupid, because Github doesn't have a workable issue tracker. | 21:45 |
| lvh | lifeless: I keep hearing the same things and I am compiling them into a blog post. | 21:45 |
| lvh | It's mostly UI. | 21:45 |
| lvh | And people disliking loggerhead. | 21:46 |
| lifeless | I'm glad you're writing it up. | 21:46 |
| lifeless | we're (obviously) working on improving things | 21:47 |
| lvh | So anyway, the idea is that I use Github's API to detect pull requests, and then I create a branch on lp from trunk plus that diff | 21:47 |
| lvh | And initiate a merge proposal. | 21:47 |
| lifeless | sounds nice | 21:47 |
| lvh | I know, right! | 21:48 |
| lvh | the best part is that the github users don't bother me | 21:48 |
| lvh | Something on which I've also ranted | 21:48 |
| lvh | I'm sick and tired of people who have only ever used git their entire life telling me how much everything that isn't git sucks | 21:48 |
| lifeless | hmm, I've done everything I planned to do today and its only 11am :( | 21:48 |
| lvh | (also because most of the time I know a git a helluva lot better than them) | 21:49 |
| lifeless | lvh: amen | 21:49 |
| lvh | lifeless: Clearly you need a better issue tracker! | 21:49 |
| lvh | lifeless: I met pivot tracker today | 21:49 |
| lvh | I could see it working for small teams working consistently on a project | 21:49 |
| aroman | why did my package that builds perfectly on lucid, fail to build when I changed it to maverick in debian/control? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/65759906/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.elementary-wallpapers_0.2.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 21:49 |
| lvh | Open source typically has more contributors and more randomness in contribution patterns though | 21:49 |
| lifeless | lvh: interesting | 21:49 |
| lifeless | aroman: Found files in /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages (must be in dist-packages for python2.6). | 21:50 |
| lifeless | debian/elementary-wallpapers/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages | 21:50 |
| lifeless | aroman: from that log | 21:50 |
| lifeless | debian/elementary-wallpapers/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/elementary_wallpapers-0.2.1-py2.6.egg-info | 21:50 |
| aroman | lifeless: what exactly does that mean? | 21:50 |
| lvh | lifeless: http://b.lvh.cc/why-do-people-hate-launchpad-so-much | 21:51 |
| lifeless | aroman: just what it says | 21:51 |
| lvh | lifeless: If you want I'll ping you when I finish the followup article. | 21:51 |
| lifeless | lvh: I'd love that | 21:51 |
| aroman | lifeless: :/ what should I do to rectify the situation? | 21:51 |
| lifeless | aroman: change your package to install into the dist-packages dir not site-packages | 21:52 |
| lifeless | aroman: how you do that will depend on how you're doing the packaging | 21:52 |
| aroman | hmm okay | 21:52 |
| lvh | lifeless: Unfortunately not all feedback is useful | 21:52 |
| aroman | lifeless: why would that change lucid>maverick, do you think? | 21:52 |
| lvh | lifeless: It's mostly like RAAAARRR THEIR UI IS FREAKIN' TERRIBLE | 21:52 |
| lifeless | aroman: python 2.5 -> 2.6 | 21:53 |
| lvh | without any mention of what it does poorly in particular | 21:53 |
| lifeless | lvh: http://b.lvh.cc/designing-a-continuous-deployment-system-caut is interesting, nicely put | 21:57 |
| lvh | lifeless: I'm talking about it at Pycon. | 21:57 |
| lvh | lifeless: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/349175/ | 21:57 |
| lvh | lifeless: chatham house rule applies etc | 21:58 |
| lifeless | lvh: we have safeguards that don't transition a server if it doesn't come up properly - so we may wedge during the deploy, but we don't generally end up totally down | 21:58 |
| lvh | lifeless: Interesting | 21:58 |
| lvh | lifeless: I've seen many tricks to implement those | 21:59 |
| lvh | They're mostly app-speciifc and I'm hoping to come up with useful generalizations for them | 21:59 |
| lvh | lifeless: In that paste the first two paragraphs are useful but the last one doesn't add anything | 21:59 |
| lvh | It's just "I had a really bad experience with LP" but no details what where when etc so no ide awhat actually happened and how we could fix it | 22:00 |
| lifeless | lvh: thats a great paste; I'd like to show this stuff to our product team | 22:00 |
| aroman | lifeless: fascinatingly, the maverick version of the package that one that failed to build was based off of (ubuntu-wallpapers) has absolutely no changes that might change what you described in it's debian folder | 22:00 |
| aroman | so i really dont know what else could be different | 22:01 |
| lifeless | aroman: different dependencies / setup.py invocation ? | 22:01 |
| lvh | lifeless: Sure, go ahead | 22:01 |
| lvh | lifeless: I made it clear chatham house rule applied to anything sent to me in this context | 22:01 |
| aroman | lifeless: nope, absolutely no difference that would cause a change | 22:02 |
| lifeless | lvh: cool, thanks | 22:02 |
| lvh | lifeless: Also a very common complaint: Nobody can figure out how to (easily) access code. "View branch content" ought to be called "View code", or something. | 22:15 |
| lvh | Apparently it's only active lp users that have figured it out once that figure *that* out | 22:16 |
| lvh | people prefer Github's approach of shoving code in your face | 22:16 |
| lvh | (also people don't particularly like loggerhead so perhaps the the two things could be put together) | 22:16 |
| lifeless | yeah | 22:17 |
| lifeless | we need to make loggerhead more deeply integrated | 22:18 |
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| lvh | I'm starting with features that sound like easy fixes | 22:22 |
| lvh | Like "remove this button it is pointless" or "move this box to this page" | 22:22 |
| lvh | fixing loggerhead is obviously a requirement since github's browser is more than a bit nicer but that's many orders of magntiude more of an investment than moving a box | 22:23 |
| lifeless | yeah | 22:29 |
| lifeless | you've read about our new team structure? | 22:29 |
| lvh | I haven't | 22:30 |
| lifeless | http://blog.launchpad.net/general/changing-how-we-track-launchpads-bugs-questions-and-blueprints and http://blog.launchpad.net/general/announcing-launchpad-squads | 22:31 |
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| lvh | lifeless: Oh, a point on loggerhead that I actually completely agree with | 22:36 |
| lvh | Apart from the fact that I don't use Loggerhead so I don't care | 22:37 |
| lvh | The date format is hard to parse. Github and Bitbucket use relative, human-readable timedeltas, except for dates sufficiently far away (where they use a plain date). You could still make the real date accessable on mouseover if people wnat that feature. | 22:37 |
| lifeless | that should be fairly easy to do - just file a bug | 22:37 |
| lvh | Right, there's some bugs people linked me to too | 22:38 |
| lvh | lifeless: Your interest made me get off my lazy bum backside and do things | 23:34 |
| lvh | lifeless: http://b.lvh.cc/a-compiled-list-of-launchpads-perceived-flaws | 23:34 |
| lifeless | cool! | 23:37 |
| lifeless | lvh: we're going to fold bugs and blueprints together | 23:49 |
| lifeless | lvh: a more capable bugtracker and no separate spec tracker - https://dev.launchpad.net/IssueTracker | 23:49 |
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