[00:25] <Daekdroom> Memory leaks everywhere D:
[00:25] <Daekdroom> compiz, unity-panel-service, conky
[00:25] <Daekdroom> nautilus
[00:29] <apparle> hey guys, you are great.... just great. Alpha 2 was not even displaying anything and alpha 3 works like magic
[00:31] <Daekdroom> Wow. I've been reading complaints that Canonical doesn't hear from users in languages other than english
[00:32] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Well I believe the current bug policy is to turn non-English bug reports into questions
[00:33] <penguin42> Daekdroom: But it looks like there is some effort to improve the situation: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-qa-n-handling-nonenglish-bugs
[00:33] <rww> as I understand it, LP and localization don't get along either
[00:51] <alisalaah> is 11.04 mostly stable now? was thinking of upgrading
[00:52] <alisalaah> i just wanted to "play" with it
[00:52] <alisalaah> but i do use this comp at work also
[00:52] <penguin42> alisalaah: It dpeends, some people are still finding big problems
[00:52] <Daekdroom> alisalaah, then you might not want to try it for now
[00:52] <aberhow> anyone playing with xubuntu 11.04 specifically?
[00:53] <alisalaah> well i dont mind doing some bug testing
[00:53] <alisalaah> is it in aplha 3 or beta now?
[00:53] <penguin42> alpha3
[00:53] <alisalaah> if its beta ill try it out, i wasnt sure where in the cycle it was
[00:53] <penguin42> alisalaah: Make sure you have a backup and make sure you have a live CD of an older version just in case it breaks it and you need to recover
[00:54] <alisalaah> i have a 10.10 cd so should be ok
[00:58] <aberhow> anyone have the issue where they click on the network manager and they can't click on any of the menu items that pull down?
[00:59] <penguin42> seems OK here
[00:59] <aberhow> penguin42: xubuntu or ubuntu?
[00:59] <penguin42> ubuntu
[01:00] <aberhow> is there a specific xubuntu bug reporting place?
[01:01] <penguin42> aberhow: Not sure, but I think it's just a case of normal bugs in lp
[01:26] <visual1ce> hi
[01:26] <visual1ce> does natty's side panel always stay on top?
[01:26] <visual1ce> what if you have a small laptop screen?
[01:26] <Daekdroom> visual1ce, you can make it autohide
[01:27] <visual1ce> thx Daexdroom - some troller said you can't make it autohide...
[02:11] <aberhow> i must say i really like the "fuzzy" clock option
[02:11] <Daekdroom> aberhow, fuzzy?
[02:12] <aberhow> instead of "8:11", it says "ten past eight"
[02:12] <aberhow> which is close enough
[02:12] <Daekdroom> No such thing here, but that is probably because I'm not using my system in EN
[02:13] <aberhow> now it says quarter past eight
[02:14] <Daekdroom> Woah. 8:25 already?
[02:14] <aberhow> no 8:15
[02:14] <aberhow> heh
[02:14] <Daekdroom> Hm, right, mistook that for the metric system
[02:14] <aberhow> understandable
[02:14] <aberhow> where are you from Daekdroom?
[02:14] <Daekdroom> Brazil
[02:15] <aberhow> tudo bem
[02:41] <Riberty> im trying to install alpha 3 on my empty parition from a usb thumdrive... it says it is missing a bootmgr press alt ctrl del
[02:41] <bazhang> how was it installed to the usb stick
[02:41] <Riberty> i used unetbootin
[02:42] <Riberty> or something like that
[02:42] <bazhang> md5 the iso and re- 'burn'
[02:42] <Riberty> md5? im using a thumbdrive
[02:42] <Riberty> i have no dvdrom or cdrom
[02:42] <bazhang> md5 has nothing to do with media
[02:42] <Riberty> what is md5
[02:43] <bazhang> !md5 > Riberty
[02:43] <Riberty> ok
[02:49] <Daekdroom> Is anyone else having their sound volume lowered to 0 when they open rhythmbox?
[02:58] <aberhow> !md5
[03:17] <Riberty> that post is retarded
[03:18] <Riberty> it tells me to download the md5sum.exe and put it into my \windows\system32 foldder
[03:18] <Riberty> then put my iso file in there and use cmd prompt
[03:18] <Daekdroom> Lol
[03:18] <Riberty> and type in "md5sum -c natty-desktop-amd64.iso"
[03:18] <Daekdroom> sudo apt-get install md5sum
[03:18] <Riberty> which doesnt work
[03:19] <Riberty> im on windows
[03:19] <Daekdroom> md5sum /path/to/file
[03:19] <Daekdroom> Oh
[03:21] <vivid> Riberty, thats how the program works, its not a gui
[03:22] <Riberty> well it doesnt work
[03:22] <vivid> user error
[03:22] <bazhang> !work
[03:22] <Riberty> the output says "md5sum:natty-desktop-amd64.iso: no such file or directory"
[03:23] <vivid> pretty clear what the issue is
[03:23] <vivid> you need to supply the path/to/natty/iso
[03:23] <Riberty> usr error? rolf
[03:23] <Riberty> i cd C:\Windows\System32
[03:25] <Riberty> ok i put in the path with the filename
[03:25] <Riberty> "md5sum -c C:\Windows\System32\natty-desktop-amd64.iso"
[03:26] <Riberty> still no file or directory
[03:26] <Riberty> and i tried
[03:26] <Riberty> "md5sum -c Windows\System32\natty-desktop-amd64.iso"
[03:27] <Riberty> 64bit iso not compatible with sys32?
[03:27] <vivid> it wont boot unless you have a 64bit chip if thats what youre asking
[03:28] <Riberty> no
[03:28] <Riberty> i have 64bit
[03:28] <bazhang> what cpu
[03:28] <Riberty> intell
[03:28] <bazhang> which one
[03:28] <Riberty> q6600
[03:28] <Riberty> 64bit
[03:30]  * rww high-fives Riberty 
[03:30] <rww> (and yes, it's 64-bit)
[03:31] <Riberty> ?
[03:31] <rww> We have the same processor.
[03:31] <Riberty> oh ok
[03:31] <Riberty> mine is water cooled
[03:31] <Riberty> ugh
[03:32] <Riberty> so whens natty coming out?
[03:32] <Riberty> stupid alpha
[03:32] <Riberty> waste of time
[03:32] <bazhang> 11.04
[03:32] <Riberty> lol
[03:32] <Riberty> wow
[03:32] <rww> !schedule
[03:32] <Riberty> thats so long from now
[03:32] <rww> April 28th
[03:32] <bazhang> year.month
[03:32] <vivid> most likely user erro
[03:33] <Riberty> want me to go through what i did exactly?
[03:33] <Riberty> i downloaded md5sum.exe and placed it in my system32 folder
[03:34] <Riberty> then i put my natty iso in the same folder
[03:34] <Riberty> opened up cmd and used "cd \windows\system32\"
[03:34] <vivid> http://www.md5summer.org
[03:35] <Riberty> md5sum -c natty-desktop-amd64.iso
[03:35] <vivid> ac6b2485e0e8a9e3c5f3a51803a5af32 *FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso
[07:20] <coz_> hey guys
[09:03] <nperry> Got gnome-shell running, this is awesome.
[10:49] <micahg> anyone know how to get nm-applet back in xubuntu natty?
[10:55] <coz_> micahg,  I dont use xfce  however , if you right click its panel  is there an add to panel option?
[10:55] <micahg> yeah, but that won't help, it'
[10:55] <coz_> mm
[10:55] <micahg> s running, just not showing up
[10:56] <coz_> micahg,  I am not sure then,,, if you hand around ,, probably someone here runs xfce
[11:02] <jiltdil> mim hardware requirement to use 11.04?
[11:06] <jiltdil> What is the minimum requirement that my cpu  should have to use natty 11.04 ubuntu?
[11:07] <micahg> 686 is the minimum
[11:07] <jiltdil> means 32 bit
[11:07] <jiltdil> cpu
[11:08] <micahg> I think a P2 and higher should still work
[11:08] <jiltdil> and wt about ram and drivers?
[11:08] <micahg> I don't think the minimum requirements are increasing for natty AFAIK
[11:09] <jiltdil> but someone here said me that graphic drivers should have openGL support to use it smoothly
[11:10] <micahg> here are the release notes from the latest alpha with the known issues listed regarding drivers: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha3
[11:11] <jiltdil> thanx
[11:59] <brobostigon> good afternoon everyone,
[12:00] <jiltdil> goodafternon!
[12:00] <brobostigon> i think i have found a bug onmy eeepc, http://paste.ubuntu.com/576420/ i got that output from dmesg, as i waslogged into my eeepc via ssh, and could paste it out.
[12:02] <brobostigon> it causes one massive screen-wide graphical artifact, and restarting xorg didnt make any difference. only way to recover was for me to restart via ssh.
[12:03] <brobostigon> any ideas?
[12:03] <jiltdil> just thinking
[12:03] <brobostigon> :)
[12:04] <yofel> yeah, hung GPUs need a reboot - do you have an intel related crash file in /var/crash/ ?
[12:05] <brobostigon> let me look, one minute.
[12:05] <brobostigon> yofel: i have 9 inthere.
[12:06] <yofel> brobostigon: then file the last one you got I guess, GPU lockups are bugs - serious ones
[12:07] <brobostigon> yofel: how do i file it?
[12:07] <yofel> brobostigon: you can also ask in #ubuntu-x if you need to provide any other information than what apport will attach to the bug
[12:07] <yofel> brobostigon: ubuntu-bug /var/crash/<crashfile>
[12:08] <brobostigon> yofel: ah, thank you.
[12:08] <brobostigon> so do that on the last crash file thats in there formyesterday.
[12:09] <yofel> yes, that will open a bug filing dialog - maybe ask you some questions and then open a browser window where you can file the bug  - you need a launchpad account though (free)
[12:14] <brobostigon> yofel: yep, ihave one,thank you. ihave filed 2 other natty bugs up to now.
[12:14] <yofel> :)
[12:19] <brobostigon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/730099
[12:41] <brobostigon> yofel: did i file that correctly?
[12:44] <yofel> brobostigon: looks ok, it would be helpful to know what you were doing when the GPU hung up though
[12:45] <brobostigon> yofel: i had irssi open in gnome-terminal, and nothing else.
[12:45] <yofel> then put at least that on the bug, better than nothing
[12:46] <brobostigon> ok, will do, :)
[12:47] <brobostigon> however it has happened about a dozen times over the lastfew days, so icant remember what iwas doing,every singleone of those times.
[12:49] <yofel> np, you can update the bug if it should happen again
[12:50] <yofel> I know how it feels when GPU lockups happen randomly, nouveau did that for me :S
[12:52] <brobostigon> yofel: its not good, will there be a pattern, of when it happens?
[12:53] <yofel> I don't know about that, stay around in #ubuntu-x if they can help you, I'm not a graphics driver expert
[12:53] <brobostigon> i m there, and have toldthem about this. :)
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:36]  * BluesKaj wonders why kdm won't autostart, I have to run the recovery kernel each boot then, fix broken packages to get to the tty login and then start kdm. It's a rather convoluted method to boot into the desktop, any ideas ?
[13:38] <yofel> usually means upstart doesn't get far enough to start it, probably some dependency failed
[14:52] <carbonate> Hi I have a problem installing
[14:53] <carbonate> I am trying to install 11.04 from a USB stick but it freezes and hangs and is very unstable in the gui live boot environment. Can someone help me out?
[14:53] <carbonate> CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 3.0GHz, RAM: Ripjaws 4GB, HDD: Western Digital 500GB SATA drive MOBO: M4A88T-V Evo/USB3
[14:54] <ikonia> carbonate: sounds like hardware problems, you said you had the same issues with other distros
[14:54] <carbonate> I dont know ikonia
[14:54] <carbonate> I think it could also be a BIOS setting
[14:54] <ikonia> you said you had the same problems with other distros, so I'm suggesting it's more likley a hardware problem
[14:54] <ikonia> carbonate: I doubt it's a bios issue
[14:55] <carbonate> I have heard problems from AHCI and ACPI
[14:55] <penguin42> carbonate: Have you run a memtest on it?
[14:55] <carbonate> Yes actually several times.
[14:55] <penguin42> has anyone figured out under Unity how to change the number and layout of virtual desktops ?
[14:55] <carbonate> I have never seen an error of any kind, I built it yesterday and it posted right away
[14:56] <penguin42> carbonate: Hmm OK; so have you had any distro work on it?
[14:56] <carbonate> Not using the USB method no, though its the only one I tried, I didn't buy a DVD drive
[14:56] <penguin42> ok
[14:56] <carbonate> Well I have now, but it isnt here yet
[14:56] <ikonia> carbonate: if it's the only one you tried, why did you say you had this problem with other distros
[14:57] <penguin42> carbonate: When you say you've run memtest, have you run memtest86 and let it run for a few hours?
[14:57] <carbonate> ikonia: Only method I have tried. I have tried 10.x, Mint 9, Fedora 14 all through USB Live
[14:57] <ikonia> carbonate: and did they work ?
[14:57] <carbonate> I ran the memtest that my MOBO has
[14:58] <carbonate> ikonia: no
[14:58] <ikonia> carbonate: ok, so think abou tit
[14:58] <penguin42> carbonate: Forget the MOBO memtest, run memtest86 off Ubuntu or any other distros live cd and leave it for a few hours
[14:58] <ikonia> carbonate: all different distros, all having the same problem
[14:58] <penguin42> ^cd^image
[14:58] <ikonia> carbonate: it's likley it is a hardware issue
[14:58] <carbonate> Clearly its the USB drive but as it is BRAND NEW I was also thinking maybe it was a BIOS setting or something.
[14:58] <ikonia> carbonate: memtest needs to be run from a livecd/boot image, and it will take approx 18 hours to run enough tests to get confidence
[14:58] <penguin42> carbonate: No, not clearly the USB drive
[14:59] <carbonate> ikonia: memtest tests the RAM?
[14:59] <ikonia> the usb drive is most likley not the problem
[14:59] <ikonia> carbonate: it does test the ram, yes
[14:59] <carbonate> ikonia: what do you think it is?
[14:59] <carbonate> penguin42: what about you then if not USB
[14:59] <penguin42> carbonate: Could be anything, bad ram, bad power supply are most likely - make sure the bios settings are the 'safest' rather than fastest
[15:00] <carbonate> penguin42: I have set them to default and it still failed
[15:00] <ikonia> carbonate: run the tests, see if it gives a clue
[15:00] <penguin42> carbonate: See if memtest86 survives for a few hours - it's a very good test
[15:00] <carbonate> penguin42: memtest86? Is this okay if I have a amd64 ?
[15:00] <penguin42> yeh
[15:01] <ikonia> carbonate: it's fine
[15:01] <carbonate> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ memtest86 memtest86: command not found
[15:01] <carbonate> :(
[15:02] <ikonia> carbonate: are you listening to what's been said ?
[15:02] <ikonia> carbonate: you boot from it, you don't run it from within ubuntu
[15:02] <ikonia> !memtest
[15:02] <carbonate> ikonia: I'm trying yes
[15:02] <ikonia> carbonate: when you boot the ubuntu CD (or in your case usb) you get options, one of them is "memtest" - use that option
[15:03] <carbonate> Oh gotcha
[15:03] <carbonate> Aright, it will give me some time to play Battlefield.
[15:03] <carbonate> Thanks!
[15:09] <cabonate> penguin42: Yeah so No
[15:09] <cabonate> :|
[15:09] <cabonate> penguin42: It cant do memtest because it needs a legacy image or archive image or something
[15:09] <cabonate> :(
[15:10] <penguin42> odd, never seen that - maybe try and get the image from www.memtest86.com ?
[15:12] <cabonate> penguin42: I remember the last time I installed linux it was not this complicated. I was able to do it from the command line and it involved things like make and install. Why cant I just install a OS to this sata from in a live environment
[15:12] <cabonate> penguin42: Surely thats prossible
[15:13] <penguin42> cabonate: Because by the sounds of it you have broken hardware
[15:14] <cabonate> I have been reading about others with the same problem, solving it by switching USB sticks. So I really think it's just the stick I'm using. Trying to install from the Live Env couldnt hurt
[15:14] <penguin42> I've never had that issue with USB sticks, but you may just be unlucky
[15:14] <yofel> the disk did have a self check function which should work on usb sticks too
[15:15] <cabonate> yofel: I'm sorry?
[15:15] <yofel> I did have a failing usb stick in the past, but that wouldn't even boot
[15:15] <cabonate> yofel: I dont think it's failing I think its a setting or certain way that a subset of USB sticks are made
[15:16] <cabonate> Perhaps with incompatable features
[15:16] <yofel> cabonate: the live disk has a self check to make sure you didn't get a bad burn. If you put it on usb that option should still be there I think
[15:16] <cabonate> I have read other problems similar to mine that involve Patriot memory, the makers of this stick
[15:16] <Daekdroom> Anyone else having their system volume reduced to 0 when they open banshee or rhythmbox?
[15:17] <cabonate> yofel: How can I use it? I have dont md5 on the iso if thats what you mean
[15:17] <cabonate> *donre
[15:17] <cabonate> lol
[15:17] <cabonate> *done
[15:17] <yofel> well, could be - but without any kernel log that's hard to say
[15:17] <cabonate> I'm in the Live Env now, is there anything you want me to get you?
[15:17] <yofel> no, the boot menu of the image (which is hidden by default these days) had a self check option
[15:18] <cabonate> :( on a sad note this computer looks SO FUCKING COOOL on my desk but it dont work right
[15:18] <cabonate> :(
[15:19] <oCean> cabonate: drop that kind of language please
[15:19] <cabonate> soz
[15:20] <cabonate> What does sodding mean btw
[15:21] <jpds> cabonate: → #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:21] <cabonate> jpds: nah I'm just trying to be active so hopefully someone notices my question
[15:21] <cabonate> :|
[15:23] <cabonate> Is there a way to run the live disk from ram ?
[15:24] <cabonate> I think that could solve all my problems
[15:24] <Daekdroom> Anyone here noticed that soundmenu doesn't display album cover if you're using rhythmbox?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> I'm still having trouble with kdm starting at boot on my other linux desktop pc , it has to be booted from the tty evertime which also prevents Lan access for some reason , including smb and ssh
[15:45] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Can you just explain the symptoms a bit more?
[15:48] <BluesKaj> penguin42, the default boot kernel just gets past the plymouth image then stops , I have to use the recovery kernel and fix broken packages to get a tty then I have to startx , tryiing service kdm start does nothing now , when that command was working previosly
[15:48] <penguin42> when you say fix broken packages what do you mean?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> the dialog options that open after booting the recovery kernel , penguin42
[15:50] <penguin42> ah I can't remember what that has to say
[15:51] <penguin42> BluesKaj: So I'd boot into the failed boot, then boot into the recovery and see if you can see anything in the logs from the failed boot
[15:51] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Does your machine have an sshd or the like on it?
[15:52] <BluesKaj> there 6 options I believe , normal boot , low grphics mode , fix broken packages etc
[15:52] <BluesKaj> no penguin42 aamof the desktop is 6yrs old now ...I'm worried that it's age becoming a problem
[15:53] <penguin42> BluesKaj: If you had an sshd installed on it, then you might be able to ssh in and see if it's really dead or it's just X that failed to start
[15:53] <penguin42> does it ping?
[15:55] <Daekdroom> Anyone here can try reproducing bug #729392 ?
[15:56] <BluesKaj> penguin42, yes ping is fine , ssh just refuses to connect when I have to use the recovery kernel . Yesterday I managed to reboot with default kernal and ssh and smb worked fine
[15:58] <BUGabundo> howdy
[15:58] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Just tried it with firefox and the focus changed to this pidgin on minimising the firefox
[15:58] <Daekdroom> penguin42, is your launcher set to never hide?
[15:59] <penguin42> Daekdroom: No, it's set to autohide and is very very confused
[15:59] <Daekdroom> penguin42, hm, try having your launcher hidden and then reproducing it
[15:59] <Daekdroom> If it happens the same way it does here, the minimized window should have focus until you make the launcher appear again
[16:00] <penguin42> Daekdroom: My problem is that my launcher doesn't reliably appear
[16:03] <Daekdroom> Is the daily working? There are so many bugs I haven't heard other people talking about I feel like reinstalling >.<
[16:31] <enli> My menus(those are in the top panel) are not sorted alphabetically. I believe this happened after I upgraded from 10.10. Is there any way to sort them out automatically? I would hate to do it manually.
[17:37] <Lunar_Lamp> Is it a known bug that bash tab-completion does not escape spaces in natty?
[17:40] <penguin42> Lunar_Lamp: Is doing here
[17:41]  * penguin42 just created a file called hello fred    and tab completed  cat hel
[17:43] <Lunar_Lamp> Hmm, it definitely does not here:
[17:43] <Lunar_Lamp> ed@Vostron:~$ touch "bar foo"
[17:43] <Lunar_Lamp> ed@Vostron:~$ rm bar foo
[17:43] <Lunar_Lamp> (I typed bar[tab] to get that)
[17:43] <penguin42> just tried it again, fine here
[17:43] <penguin42> exactly like that
[17:44] <Lunar_Lamp> OK, clearly there is some difference, because it's very repeatable here across all file types.
[17:44] <penguin42> nod
[17:44] <Lunar_Lamp> echo $SHELL ?
[17:44] <Lunar_Lamp> I get /bin/bash
[17:44] <penguin42> same
[17:45] <Lunar_Lamp> penguin42: echo $TERM (i get xterm)
[17:45] <penguin42> same
[17:45]  * Lunar_Lamp glares
[17:45] <Lunar_Lamp> You're not making this easy! :-p
[17:45] <penguin42> sorry :-)
[17:45] <Lunar_Lamp> gnome-terminal?
[17:46] <penguin42> the completion stuff isn't simple; it can probably depend on everything else in your path and loads of other stuff
[17:46] <penguin42> Lunar_Lamp: yep, and konsole
[17:46] <Lunar_Lamp> Doesn't matter - just tried it on tty1 and it happened there too.
[17:46] <penguin42> echo $LANG ?
[17:47] <Lunar_Lamp> en_GB.UTF-8
[17:47] <penguin42> I;ve got en_GB.UTF-8 in konsole and en_US.UTF-8 in my other machine with gnome-terminal
[17:47] <penguin42> hmph that needs fixing
[17:48] <Lunar_Lamp> I'll see if it's user-specifci
[17:48] <Lunar_Lamp> Nope - happens as another random uesr.
[17:48] <Lunar_Lamp> I'll see if it happens with a *new* user.
[17:49] <Lunar_Lamp> Nope, new user created and same behaviour - so it's a system-wide thing.
[17:50] <Lunar_Lamp> 1:1.3-1ubuntu1 <== that's the version of bash-completion I have
[17:51] <penguin42> yep
[17:51] <penguin42> and 4.2-0ubuntu2 for bash
[17:52] <Lunar_Lamp> $ shopt | grep no_empty_cmd_completion
[17:52] <Lunar_Lamp> no_empty_cmd_completion	off
[17:52] <Lunar_Lamp> Same for me
[17:52] <penguin42> I seem to remember there is some debug you can enable in the completion
[17:57] <whiz_> hey all. I just go the 3D unity going. one question about window size adjustment. since there is no windows bar at the top of applications, how do I resize. I saw something in the upper task bar once or 2 times but it doesnot always come
[17:58] <arand> DO you have no window decorations whatsoever?
[17:59] <arand> I don't think that's supposed to happen
[17:59] <arand> There should be a rezising handle in the bottom right I think..
[18:00] <avis> anyway to keep compiz from crashing ?
[18:02] <whiz_> arand: my window size somehow is slightly bigger than screen size and so that resize dots are outside my screen area
[18:02] <whiz_> arand: and yeah no window decorations
[18:13]  * BluesKaj thinks the default kernel is not recognizing the HW , it takes the recovery kernel to actually load the xorg files and graphics driver . The input devices are flashing their lights like there no HW recognition at all.
[18:17] <whiz_> another issue which is a bit of show stopper. the window decoration thing can wait since I can still work. Network Manager problem. I had this on GNOME as well where Network Manager disconnects very often for a specific router with WPA2 authentication. I use wicd whenever I need to conne
[18:18] <whiz_> connect to that router. same with unity. I disable wireless on NetworkManager and use wicd. but lot of problems think that there is no internet. like Evolution, 'Empathy', Ubuntu One. ..
[18:19] <whiz_> to name a few. thankfully chrome connects alright.
[19:50] <DaGeek247> what do you guys think of the rekiability of 11.04?
[19:51] <DaGeek247> reliability*
[19:51] <penguin42> still rather touchy for me - mostly graphics drivers
[19:52] <DaGeek247> i heaed about ubuntu not using gnome anynore, is it true?
[19:57] <kklimonda> no, yes, define what you mean by gnome
[19:57] <arand> DaGeek247: Only for window management.
[19:57] <DaGeek247> whats it use insted of gnome?
[19:57] <arand> DaGeek247: Unity
[19:58] <DaGeek247> ok
[19:58] <kklimonda> but really, unity is used instead of metacity, and gnome-panel
[19:58] <kklimonda> and gnome is so much more
[19:58] <DaGeek247> do the themes work?
[19:58] <Daekdroom> For unity, partially.
[19:59] <DaGeek247> prtially?
[19:59] <Daekdroom> for the GTK apps, fully
[19:59] <Daekdroom> Yeah, the launcher doesn't support themeing (for now, I believe)
[19:59] <Daekdroom> the panel supports
[19:59] <DaGeek247> in 10.04 it doesnt. :/
[20:04] <Wiesshund> In #ubuntu they said i have to come to this channel for any questions related to ubuntu netbook edititon 10.04, is that correct?
[20:05] <abb> Hello, all.  Hoping for some advice. Planning to Natt-ify a Dell Latitude E6510 (Intel Core i5). When it boots, I am given an option during POST to use Legacy boot (BIOS) or EFI.  Now, I know very little about EFI other than what wikipedia knows; can anyone advise as to which route (BIOS vs EFI) one should go w/ a Natty install?
[20:05] <guntbert> Wiesshund: they probably misread - this is for 11.04
[20:05] <guntbert> :)
[20:06] <Wiesshund> i told them that, and this guy Starminn just kept bombarding me with the bots redirect to this channel :(
[20:06] <abb> I realize that EFI is newer, and the "future", and so with a new system I would generally opt for whatever is newest (to avoid being stuck with legacy stuff in the future) but I'm still not clear on how well EFI is supported in Ubuntu, despite searching the forums.
[20:06] <Wiesshund> I dont suppose any of you guys know how to quickly add a custom entry to the little unity launcher bar?
[20:06] <abb> guntbert, I think he is looking for #ubuntu+1,-6,+5
[20:08] <guntbert> Wiesshund: sorry, no
[20:08] <abb> Would my question (above, RE: EFI) be more appropriate for #ubuntu, you think?  I know it's somewhat general, but I'm planning to install the latest daily natty image so...
[20:08] <abb> Wiesshund, sorry, when I get natty installed on the system I'm asking about, I will research this.  :)
[20:08] <Wiesshund> guntbert do you know if perhaps there is an unlisted chnnel specific to the netbook edition?
[20:09] <guntbert> Wiesshund: sorry, no, but if I remember correctly it was always supported in #ubuntu
[20:10] <abb> I will go ask my question in #ubuntu; maybe more EFI-minded-eyes will be around there.  Cheers.
[20:11] <Wiesshund> well thanks anyways guntbert, least you were polite and tried to help :)
[20:12] <Daekdroom> Goddamn, it annoys me so badly that everytime I open rhythmbox, the sound volume goes to 0.
[20:12] <DaGeek247> !language
[20:13] <Daekdroom> I'm sorry, I didn't know that I wasn't allowed to say "Goddamn"
[20:19] <guntbert> Daekdroom: running an alpha OS should make you less vulnerable to anger :-)
[20:23] <Starminn> Is it possible to add custom launchers to the UNity launcher?
[20:31] <Starminn> Anybody there? I wish to make a custom launcher in the Unity Launcher menu? For example, just set it as, "/path/to/file/to/launch" -- is this possible?
[20:33] <trism> Starminn: http://askubuntu.com/questions/13758/how-can-i-edit-create-new-launcher-items-in-unity , complicated method, can't say if it still works
[20:46] <Starminn> Thanks, trism. It's for somebody else and I haven't heard back how successful they've been. If I hear back I'll let you know, though.
[20:49] <BUGabundo> ok
[20:49] <BUGabundo> the new Menu is out
[20:49] <BUGabundo> till it fixes this darn bugs
[20:49] <BUGabundo> I can't use it!
[20:49] <kklimonda> new menu?
[20:50] <BUGabundo> yeah
[20:50] <BUGabundo> the integrated one
[20:50] <BUGabundo> on gnome panel
[20:52] <kklimonda> hmm.. worked fine today
[20:52] <kklimonda> and then I've switched to Unity
[20:52] <kklimonda> to see how it fares
[20:52] <BUGabundo> many apps it stops showing
[20:53] <BUGabundo> others don't update
[20:53] <BUGabundo> on pidgin refreshes widdley
[20:53] <BUGabundo> meh
[21:15] <mrsun> hmm, how the heck do you reach stuff like settings etc with unity ? :)
[21:16] <BUGabundo> no idea
[21:16] <BUGabundo> couldn't figure out how to open a shell
[21:16] <BUGabundo> left!
[21:16] <mrsun> ough, tried to open sound settings
[21:16] <mrsun> totaly killed th eunity stuff :P
[21:18] <nperry> Get gnome shell..
[21:18] <nperry> Been using it for a day
[21:18] <nperry> 'tis hawt!
[21:20] <mrsun> ahh thats more like it, "Ubuntu Classic Desktop" :P
[21:21] <Daekdroom> nperry, where did you get it from?
[21:21] <Daekdroom> It crashes so much in here that I had to give up on it.
[21:21] <Daekdroom> I try clicking an indicator and it crashes.
[21:22] <Daekdroom> Despite that and the lack of themeability, it's awesome.
[21:22] <nperry> I used jhbuild
[21:22] <nperry> So it creates a sandboz
[21:22] <nperry> *sandbox
[22:10] <yofel> _gunni_: what akonadi-server version do you have?
[22:11] <_gunni_> gunni@server:~$ akonadiserver --version
[22:11] <_gunni_> Akonadi 1.5.0
[22:11] <yofel> the package version I mean. (apt-cache policy akonadi-server)
[22:12] <_gunni_> But maybe i found something stopping apparmor now i seem to can start akonadi ... i did the aa-complain command i found before, but that did not work for me
[22:12] <_gunni_> 1.5.0-0ubuntu2
[22:13] <yofel> hm, yeah, does your /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld-akonadi look like this? http://paste.kde.org/6639
[22:15] <_gunni_> yes exactly like this
[22:17] <_gunni_> So after running "sudo /etc/init.d/apparmor teardown"
[22:17] <_gunni_> akonadi can be started, after starting apparmor again, it does not work
[22:18] <yofel> odd... esp. since it works fine here
[22:19] <_gunni_> Was an upgrade from maverick with kde 4.6 installed from ppa
[22:19] <yofel> _gunni_: do you have any error message at the end of /var/log/syslog when you try to start akonadi?
[22:19] <yofel> something from apparmor at least
[22:20] <_gunni_> Some messages like this one:
[22:20] <_gunni_> Mar  6 23:20:18 server kernel: [35080.197802] type=1400 audit(1299450018.125:858): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mknod" parent=18873 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi///usr/sbin/mysqld" name="/ssdhome/gunni/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/server.lower-test" pid=18875 comm="mysqld" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=1000 ouid=1000
[22:21] <yofel> aaaaah
[22:21] <yofel> /ssdhome/gunni/ is not your home folder
[22:21] <yofel> at least not from a system point of view
[22:21] <yofel> only /home/ is accepted in the apparmor profile
[22:22] <_gunni_> home/gunni links to /ssdhome/gunni
[22:22] <yofel> _gunni_: what does 'echo $HOME' say?
[22:23] <_gunni_> gunni@server:~$ echo $HOME
[22:23] <_gunni_> /home/gunni
[22:24] <yofel> hm, then I wonder why it errors there... since it does have write permissions to @{HOME}/.local/share/akonadi/** rwk
[22:24] <_gunni_> gunni@server:/home$ ls -l /home |grep ssd
[22:24] <_gunni_> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root  root     15 2011-01-28 00:47 gunni -> /ssdhome/gunni/
[22:25] <_gunni_> gunni@server:/home$ ls -l /ssdhome |grep gunni
[22:25] <_gunni_> drwxrwxrwx 83 gunni gunni 4096 2011-03-06 23:15 gunni
[22:26] <_gunni_> I had it working 2 days ago with exactly that folder setup under maverick
[22:26] <_gunni_> I had the problem back some time, but fixed it somehow, but cant remember how
[22:27] <yofel> yep, the apparmor profile was changed in natty, but not in a way that should cause this...
[22:27] <yofel> well for now try to add
[22:27] <yofel> /ssdhome/gunni/.local/share/akonadi/** rwk,
[22:27] <yofel> below
[22:27] <yofel> @{HOME}/.local/share/akonadi/** rwk
[22:27] <yofel> in the profile
[22:27] <yofel> maybe it helps
[22:28] <_gunni_> Ill try
[22:28] <yofel> if it does, file a bug
[22:29] <_gunni_> Yes that seems to help
[22:30] <yofel> great... file a bug then, I don't know what misbehaves here, but someone will look at it if you use ubuntu-bug akonadi-server
[22:30] <_gunni_> In bugs.kde or in launchpad?
[22:32] <yofel> launchpad - apparmor is ubuntu stuff
[22:32] <_gunni_> Ok.
[22:44] <_gunni_> yofel: thx fopr your help. I filed a bug, dont know if it is helpfull like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor/+bug/730323
[22:45] <yofel> hm, I would have filed that against akonadi, but since I don't know what breaks here it doesn't matter much I guess
[22:47] <yofel> _gunni_: can you add the package versions of apparmor and akonadi-server to the description please?
[22:47] <_gunni_> Oh, thanks ... forgot it
[23:21] <shaneo> can someone help me with changing the taskbar in natty wharwal i do not like the mac look but cant figure out how to change it
[23:21] <Daekdroom> In the login screen, pick Classic GNOME session instead of Ubuntu Desktop Edition
[23:22] <shaneo> thank you