[02:39] <kais58> is there any further support planned for the mobility HD5470 in the near future?
[11:35] <stefanlsd> trying to install natty alpha 3 and overwrite partitions, partman says refusing to create as its mounted, umount says cant umount: invalid argument. this a known bug?
[12:06] <mrintegrity> how do you remove a ppa when ppa-purge doesn't work?
[12:06] <mrintegrity> nm
[15:50] <aroman> how long does it take for users to get upgrades visible when changing a package in a PPA?
[16:12] <Ampelbein> aroman: usually as soon as the binary packages are published
[16:12] <aroman> Ampelbein: I actually figured out why it wasn't showing; i published it to Lucid and I'm on maverick :/
[16:12] <aroman> is there any better way of adding that to maverick too other than repacking/uploading?
[16:13] <Ampelbein> aroman: you can use the copy packages feature in the ppa
[16:13] <aroman> oh wow
[16:13] <aroman> yeah that's exactly what I want, thanks :P
[16:29] <belak> I've been trying to change a few things in ubiquity and I was wondering how I can change the text of the english language for the install? I'm helping with an ubuntu derivitive and we'd like it to say Thank you for installing X in stead of Ubuntu at the end of the install in the box that asks you to reboot. I found the file in source, debian/ubiquity.templates. but how would I go about replacing the default?
[16:30] <ScottK> That's not really on topic here since this channel is about development of Ubuntu.  You might have more luck, in any case, in #ubuntu-installer.
[16:31] <belak> Thanks, didn't know about that channel
[16:31] <belak> Just figured this would be better than #ubuntu
[17:45] <heere> Hi, this question may not be appropriate for the development team, but I am not getting much support from the help channel.
[17:45] <heere> I am trying to boot an old install of 10.4, but it is segfaulting on init in ld-2.11.1.so
[17:45] <heere> how can i modify the init to use the latest version of this .so
[17:45] <heere> ?
[17:47] <XiX> hello
[17:48] <XiX> can someone explain why the fuck zeitgeist is automatically installed and enabled on ubuntu karmic + ?
[17:48] <XiX> its an invasion of privacy
[17:48] <kklimonda> !ohmy
[17:49] <seiflotfy_> XiX, how is it an invasion of privacy
[17:49] <seiflotfy_> ur info is not being sent anywhere
[17:49] <XiX> im offended that a desktop activity logging program would be automatically installed
[17:49] <seiflotfy_> it is used by other applications to provde you with better experience
[17:49] <XiX> and active
[17:49] <seiflotfy_> then deinstall it
[17:49] <seiflotfy_> u do want better search results dont you
[17:49] <XiX> i did, but im pretty sure most typical ubuntu users dont even know it exists
[17:50] <seiflotfy_> how is it invading privacy
[17:50] <seiflotfy_> i mean firefox logs your history
[17:50] <seiflotfy_> and pidgin stores your password in a plain text file
[17:50] <seiflotfy_> zeitgeist logs activities to make menus more adaptive
[17:50] <seiflotfy_> etc.
[17:50] <seiflotfy_> and this info is not sent out anywhere
[17:50] <XiX> *Rejection of Zeitgeist by GNOME. from Wikipedia: “Zeitgeist is a service which logs the users’s activities and events, anywhere from files opened to websites visited and conversations[.
[17:50] <XiX> how is it NOT an invasion of privacy?
[17:51] <seiflotfy_> because its not sending it anywhere
[17:51] <seiflotfy_> its for your own usage
[17:51] <seiflotfy_> nobody knows about your zeitgeist logging
[17:51] <seiflotfy_> its for oyur computer only
[17:51] <seiflotfy_> just like firefox history
[17:51] <XiX> firefox atleast gives you the option to delete history
[17:51] <seiflotfy_> so does zeitgeist
[17:51] <XiX> sure
[17:52] <XiX> lets just open up bash
[17:52] <XiX> and shred activity.sqlite
[17:52] <seiflotfy_> or use GNOME Activity Journal
[17:52] <m4n1sh> XiX: rm ~/.local/share/zeitgeist/activity.sqlite
[17:52] <seiflotfy_> and delete stuff you dont want other to see
[17:52] <seiflotfy_> :)
[17:52] <m4n1sh> XiX: even stock gnome logs your recently opened files
[17:53] <XiX> i am aware manish, and you should know rm doesnt delete data effectively
[17:53] <m4n1sh> in recently_used.xbel I think
[17:53] <m4n1sh> and windows also
[17:53] <m4n1sh> and bash also
[17:53] <m4n1sh> in .bash_history
[17:53] <seiflotfy_> XiX zeitgeist basically gets most of its info at the moment form gtk.recentlyused
[17:53] <XiX> ok
[17:53] <m4n1sh> yes
[17:53] <seiflotfy_> we just store them in a more convinient way
[17:53] <XiX> i think typical users would be OK with those histories
[17:53] <XiX> but given the option
[17:53] <XiX> how many users would accept
[17:53] <m4n1sh> there is a fine line between privacy and usability, confusion is bound to happen
[17:54] <XiX> zeitgeist logging activities, events, files opened, websites viewed, and conversations
[17:54] <m4n1sh> if there is no logging or history remembering then it makes your experience of desktop even worse
[17:54] <m4n1sh> websites opened logging is not enabled by defauly
[17:54] <seiflotfy_> XiX look at how many ppl like using docky + zeitgeist
[17:54] <m4n1sh> XiX: that browser plugin is not even in ubuntu till Maverick
[17:55] <seiflotfy_> XiX, you need to allow firefox to send info to zeitgeist
[17:55] <m4n1sh> conversations are also not logged
[17:55] <m4n1sh> till now
[17:55] <m4n1sh> you need plugins which need to be installed explicitly
[17:55] <XiX> and thats getting better how?
[17:55] <m4n1sh> XiX: what getting better how? context?
[17:55] <XiX> <m4n1sh> XiX: that browser plugin is not even in ubuntu till Maverick
[17:55] <m4n1sh> it is not packaged in ubuntu till maverick
[17:56] <m4n1sh> it is there in natty and onwards
[17:56] <m4n1sh> so there is no chance that it can be enabled by defaulty
[17:56] <seiflotfy_> u need to install the plugin urself for the logging to happen
[17:56] <seiflotfy_> and it is not enabled by default
[17:56] <m4n1sh> out of box logging is very minimal
[17:56] <seiflotfy_> the only thing enabled by default is logging ur "gtk.recentlyused"
[17:56] <m4n1sh> only those which are already logged by gtk.recentlyused
[17:56] <seiflotfy_> which is done by gtk anyhow
[17:56] <m4n1sh> same thing seiflotfy_ :)
[17:57] <seiflotfy_> we just avoid overwriting info
[17:57] <seiflotfy_> yeah
[17:57] <seiflotfy_> lol
[17:57] <XiX> ok
[17:57] <XiX> so i am in activity.sqlite
[17:57] <XiX> correct
[17:57] <m4n1sh> yes
[17:57] <seiflotfy_> yeah
[17:57] <XiX> why does it reference http://zeitgeist-project.com/ontologies/2010/01/27/zg#UserActivity often
[17:57] <m4n1sh> the default out of box logging only gets events from gtk.recentlyused
[17:57] <seiflotfy_> XiX its called ontology
[17:57] <m4n1sh> and anything extra which needs to be logged requires plugin
[17:58] <seiflotfy_> to define if the event was a user activity or a notification
[17:58] <seiflotfy_> user activity is then defined by  http://zeitgeist-project.com/ontologies/2010/01/27/zg#UserActivity
[17:58] <seiflotfy_> its not a link
[17:58] <seiflotfy_> its just a definition
[17:58] <m4n1sh> it is a URI if i am not wrong
[17:58] <seiflotfy_> m4n1sh, its an ontology definition
[17:59] <m4n1sh> yeah
[17:59] <m4n1sh> but it is not a link
[17:59] <m4n1sh> simply a URI
[17:59] <m4n1sh> I = identifier
[17:59] <XiX> there should be an option at least
[18:00] <m4n1sh> for?
[18:00] <XiX> for opting in using zeitgeist
[18:00] <m4n1sh> just purge the packages
[18:01] <XiX> does a typical ubuntu user know about zeitgeist, much less how to purge packages?
[18:01] <XiX> sure, we do
[18:01] <XiX> but how about we wait
[18:01] <XiX> for the next guy to come in
[18:01] <XiX> to #ubuntu
[18:01] <m4n1sh> XiX: so what is your solution?
[18:02] <heere> remove the package
[18:02] <heere> from the instaler
[18:02] <m4n1sh> heere: cant happen
[18:02] <m4n1sh> unity depends on zeitgeist
[18:03] <XiX> in the ubuntu installation, opt in unity and zeitgeist
[18:03] <heere> well there you go, its just like the firefox awesomebar
[18:03] <heere> its fine
[18:04] <XiX> you could even poll users
[18:04] <m4n1sh> heere: people will cry a lot, but later settle
[18:04] <heere> unity is canonical's new WM
[18:04] <m4n1sh> heere: factual mistake
[18:04] <m4n1sh> " unity is canonical's new WM" <-- factual mistake
[18:04] <m4n1sh> when awesome bar came people, cried and later got used to it
[18:04] <heere> eehhh fork of gnome?
[18:04] <m4n1sh> heere: even more stupid answer
[18:04] <m4n1sh> how on earth can it be a fork?
[18:05] <m4n1sh> unless you are a sensational journalist
[18:05] <XiX> <XiX> joseph__, do you know anything about zeitgeist
[18:05] <XiX> <joseph__> No XiX I do not
[18:05] <m4n1sh> XiX: not possible to poll users
[18:05] <heere> describe unity as a piece of software in one sentence
[18:05] <m4n1sh> we dont even have a list
[18:05] <m4n1sh> heere: it is a shell
[18:05] <m4n1sh> that it is
[18:05] <m4n1sh> implemented as a plugin of compiz (which is the WM)
[18:06] <m4n1sh> XiX: good. end-users dont care
[18:06] <m4n1sh> they just need to get their work done
[18:06] <XiX> i believe they do
[18:06] <m4n1sh> mostly they done care
[18:06] <XiX> i am an end-user
[18:06] <heere> XiX do you use firefox?
[18:06] <m4n1sh> good, then I will put that claim to be  "95% of the end-userd dont care"
[18:06] <XiX> and i didnt even know about this until yesterday
[18:06] <m4n1sh> *users
[18:06] <XiX> i think they dont care because they dont know
[18:07] <m4n1sh> end-users just want to get their work done
[18:07] <m4n1sh> that's all
[18:07] <m4n1sh> like I am an end-user for LibreOffice, i don't care how the whole thing works
[18:07] <m4n1sh> even though I can hack on it, but still I have other things to do
[18:07] <XiX> im sure end-users care about privacy
[18:07] <XiX> and logs
[18:08] <m4n1sh> XiX: okay for last time, it isnt a privacy issue
[18:08] <XiX> if i rootkitted your machine, and you didnt know about it, and the information was going nowhere, would you still feel ok about it?
[18:08] <m4n1sh> XiX: have you attended Ubuntu developer week's Zeitgeist session
[18:08] <seiflotfy_> XiX, same thing with pidgin, Firefox, Chrome, and more
[18:08] <seiflotfy_> ur point is invalid
[18:08] <m4n1sh> XiX: you use a phone? does it show you a list of recently recieved calls? missed calls? dialled numbers
[18:09] <XiX> no i have not, as i stated i have only found out about this yesterday
[18:09] <seiflotfy_> get rid of the other log files first
[18:09] <m4n1sh> then your phone also has secrutiy issues
[18:09] <m4n1sh> privacy issues
[18:09] <XiX> and those programs, seiflotfy_, only log minimal activity, within themselves
[18:09] <m4n1sh> XiX: zeitgeist doesnt log your chat content
[18:09] <m4n1sh> only when you logged in
[18:09] <m4n1sh> logged out
[18:09] <m4n1sh> miminal info
[18:09] <XiX> i would count that as logging
[18:09] <m4n1sh> no text stored
[18:09] <m4n1sh> yes
[18:09] <m4n1sh> it is minimal
[18:09] <m4n1sh> lesser than what your apps do
[18:10] <XiX> for one, how do you disable zeitgeist logging certain things
[18:10] <Ampelbein> XiX: there is the ksyslogd daemon that logs your login/logouts on every linux system.
[18:10] <XiX> from a factory installation
[18:10] <m4n1sh> firefox logs your web browsing history, zeitgeist logs your desktop browsing history
[18:10] <seiflotfy_> m4n1sh, deinstall the loggers
[18:10] <seiflotfy_> in this case datahub
[18:11] <XiX> i can disable firefox logs
[18:11] <seiflotfy_> datahub is the one that relogs from gtk.recentlyused
[18:11] <m4n1sh> XiX: you can even disable zeitgeist
[18:11] <seiflotfy_> firefox has its own plugin
[18:11] <XiX> explain please
[18:11] <m4n1sh> just purge the package
[18:11] <seiflotfy_> that is not installed by default
[18:11] <XiX> m4n1sh, this is not intuitive
[18:11] <seiflotfy_> we dont log fiefox logs
[18:11] <XiX> and not 'disabling'
[18:11] <seiflotfy_> if firefox is set to incognito we respect that
[18:11] <m4n1sh> XiX: you still want something to be logged?
[18:11] <seiflotfy_> since the firefox plugin resides in firefox
[18:11] <seiflotfy_> zeitgeist itself doesnt d othe logging
[18:12] <seiflotfy_> but a set of plugins for apps send the info to zeitgeist
[18:12] <m4n1sh> it relies on other applications to tell it
[18:12] <seiflotfy_> m4n1sh, ok i am letting oyu take over
[18:12] <m4n1sh> seiflotfy_: where you going?
[18:12] <kklimonda> seiflotfy_: are you working on chromium integration?
[18:13] <m4n1sh> kklimonda: AFAIK chrome plugin exists
[18:13] <m4n1sh> is the extension API same?
[18:13] <m4n1sh> for chromium
[18:13] <kklimonda> probably
[18:13] <kklimonda> I don't see why would they change it
[18:13] <m4n1sh> XiX: you can uninstall zeitgeist-datahub package
[18:13] <XiX> ok, so im typical ubuntu user on a typical factory installation. i just heard about zeitgeist and i want to disable certain functionality after hearing about it, but i think its ok to work with unity. you tell me to purge the package. what does that mean to me ?
[18:13] <heere> where can I download a copy of a binary ld-2.11.1.so?
[18:13] <m4n1sh> heere: that should be part of the default install if I am not wrong
[18:13] <heere> mine is corrupted i think
[18:14] <kklimonda> heere: you can get it from libc deb package
[18:14] <heere> its segfaulting my init
[18:14] <m4n1sh> XiX: apt-get remove zeitgeist-datahub
[18:14] <kklimonda> heere: and you can download deb package from http://packages.ubuntu.com/ or directly from Launchpad
[18:14] <XiX> <m4n1sh> XiX: apt-get remove zeitgeist-datahub
[18:14] <m4n1sh> kklimonda: yeah. AFAIK npapi is the extension api followed
[18:14] <XiX> this is,again,not disabling certain functionality, and not intuitive
[18:15] <XiX> you are never informed about zeitgeist
[18:15] <m4n1sh> the point being which certain functionality?
[18:15] <XiX> working with unity
[18:15] <m4n1sh> XiX: then you want a huge gigantic popup telling "Hey, I am zeitgeist here"
[18:15] <XiX> in fact
[18:15] <m4n1sh> the aim is to get out of the way
[18:15] <m4n1sh> and help the end-users
[18:15] <m4n1sh> in making his experience better
[18:15] <XiX> maybe im OK with it working with unity
[18:15] <XiX> but
[18:15] <XiX> keeping a history?
[18:16] <kklimonda> XiX: you are not informed about Firefox logging your history, or empathy logging your discussions either.
[18:16] <XiX> however
[18:16] <XiX> firefox makes it intuitive
[18:16] <m4n1sh> wait.. you want it to work with unity but not keeping history?
[18:16] <XiX> to remove logs
[18:17] <m4n1sh> what about empathy?
[18:17] <m4n1sh> it doesnt
[18:17] <m4n1sh> i cant find
[18:17] <m4n1sh> nor pidgin
[18:17] <m4n1sh> and openoffice also saves last used documents
[18:17] <m4n1sh> so does gedit
[18:17] <XiX> ah
[18:17] <XiX> here is the difference
[18:17] <m4n1sh> so does bash (in .bash_history )
[18:17] <XiX> you PERMIT those applications by using them
[18:17] <XiX> whenever did you permit zeitgeist to log all this sht
[18:17] <heere> ok i just replaced my ld.so with the i386 binary, even though its an x64 install
[18:18] <heere> i hope it works....
[18:18] <heere> reboot
[18:18] <m4n1sh> same here too
[18:18] <kklimonda> heere: doesn't make much sense
[18:18] <m4n1sh> you permit ubuntu by using it
[18:18] <XiX> your right
[18:18] <m4n1sh> the work of balancing of "Asking user if you want to enabled this feature" v/s making it easy
[18:18] <XiX> herein lies the flaw
[18:18] <XiX> im using ubuntu
[18:18] <XiX> :|
[18:18] <m4n1sh> XiX: by installing ubuntu you permitted it
[18:19] <m4n1sh> he he
[18:19] <XiX> great, time to get another OS then. one that doesnt log everything I do
[18:19] <m4n1sh> you can use gentoo
[18:19] <m4n1sh> compile everything
[18:19] <m4n1sh> select everything you want to install :)
[18:19] <kklimonda> I hardly see how the list of recently accessed documents and applications is a privacy breach.
[18:19] <m4n1sh> nothing bad in it.. people use it and love it
[18:19] <XiX> accessed?
[18:19] <Ampelbein> kklimonda: it is, if you want to troll the channel.
[18:19] <XiX> hold on a minute
[18:19] <m4n1sh> XiX: every OS does
[18:20] <m4n1sh> kklimonda: it isnt
[18:20] <m4n1sh> even bash does
[18:20] <m4n1sh> lots of apps do it
[18:20] <XiX> i like how every time someone has a genuine problem with ubuntu, it is dismissed as a 'troll' Ampelbein
[18:20] <m4n1sh> singling out zeitgeist is what i find weird
[18:20] <m4n1sh> XiX: get other OS, I am sure they also have logging
[18:20] <m4n1sh> the oens you wont even kow
[18:21] <m4n1sh> XiX: you are not a troll
[18:21] <XiX> ive tried many OS's m4n1sh
[18:21] <m4n1sh> you are discussing it via points
[18:21] <m4n1sh> trolls just run around in circles
[18:21] <m4n1sh> we are using valid points to debate
[18:21] <m4n1sh> yeah
[18:21] <m4n1sh> all of them log
[18:21] <Ampelbein> XiX: Every linux logs user activity such as date and time of logins, issueing commands, accessing filesystems
[18:21] <XiX> of course
[18:22] <XiX> but logging activities, events, files opened, websites viewed, and login to chat sessions
[18:22] <m4n1sh> XiX: check your /var/log
[18:22] <m4n1sh> and you will understand
[18:22] <m4n1sh> not much difference
[18:22] <XiX> m4n1sh, im not new to linux :|
[18:22] <m4n1sh> yes
[18:22] <m4n1sh> good
[18:22] <m4n1sh> when I logged in
[18:22] <m4n1sh> when i connected to interney
[18:22] <m4n1sh> when i put in my pen drive
[18:22] <m4n1sh> everything is logged
[18:22] <m4n1sh> i cant find much difference
[18:22] <Ampelbein> XiX: what information does zeitgeist log that isn't logged by other programs?
[18:23] <XiX> i just stated it
[18:23] <kklimonda> XiX: do you mean that zeiteist logs websites and chats, even after you disable logging in firefox and empathy?
[18:23] <XiX> activities, events, files opened, login to chat sessions, and it is sometimes extended to websites viewed and conversations
[18:23] <m4n1sh> kklimonda: out of box instal of ubuntu doesnt log firefox and empathy events
[18:23] <XiX> you know what that sounds like?
[18:23] <m4n1sh> not websites
[18:23] <XiX> a rootkit to me
[18:24] <m4n1sh> kklimonda: only file opening and closing
[18:24] <m4n1sh> thats; it
[18:24] <m4n1sh> actually only opening
[18:24] <m4n1sh> out of box install of ubuntu with zeitgeist installed only supports this much
[18:24] <m4n1sh> nothing else
[18:24] <m4n1sh> and you install plugins explicitly
[18:24] <XiX> how about on Natty?
[18:24] <m4n1sh> to log firefox
[18:24] <m4n1sh> another for chrome
[18:24] <m4n1sh> other for empathy
[18:24] <m4n1sh> XiX: same as of now
[18:24] <Ampelbein> XiX: only the accessed documents is logged at standard install. and even that is something that other programs do for a long time already.
[18:25] <m4n1sh> Ampelbein: zeitgeist is like a central logger instead of all apps having their own loggers with recently used files
[18:25] <m4n1sh> they can remove their lastest file functionality and use zeitgeist
[18:25] <m4n1sh> if they want
[18:25] <Ampelbein> m4n1sh: I know.
[18:26] <XiX> you guys are right, maybe im just concerned about how much ubuntu logs its users
[18:26] <m4n1sh> XiX: out of box only opening files
[18:26] <m4n1sh> which you already find in Places>Recent Documents
[18:26] <m4n1sh> want more logging? install plugins
[18:26] <Ampelbein> XiX: it isn't ubuntu, it's every gnome installation in the whole world that logs the same information.
[18:26] <XiX> maybe thats the problem
[18:27] <m4n1sh> XiX: so what is your solution?
[18:27] <m4n1sh> I think even KDE logs information
[18:27] <m4n1sh> latest opened files
[18:27] <m4n1sh> etc
[18:27] <Ampelbein> XiX: then you should talk to the gnome developers to remove the "recent document"-functions, talk to the syslogd developers to stop logging logins/logouts, talk to the firefox developers to stop logging visited websites. why come to ubuntu?
[18:28] <XiX> idk, i dont have all of the answers
[18:28] <XiX> m4n1sh
[18:28] <m4n1sh> yes
[18:28] <m4n1sh> right now zeitgeist only extracts out file logs from gtk.recentlyused
[18:28] <m4n1sh> sort of duplicating right now
[18:28] <seiflotfy_> XiX, your out of luck since Zeitgeist is being integrated with the next KDE per default
[18:29] <seiflotfy_> there are very good uses to it
[18:29] <m4n1sh> XiX: the good uses outnumber the bad uses
[18:29] <seiflotfy_> and GNOME and KDE wouldn't have been cooperative if they did not see the benfits form it
[18:29] <XiX> this reminds me of how windows integrets shit and nobody has a voice in it
[18:29] <m4n1sh> every technology can be misused
[18:29] <m4n1sh> "and GNOME and KDE wouldn't have been cooperative if they did not see the benfits form it" THIS ----> +100
[18:30] <m4n1sh> XiX: I don't think any OS is spared in that
[18:30] <m4n1sh> except in linux you can uninstall it
[18:30] <XiX> today, how can someone run a powerful OS that does not infringe on your privacy
[18:30] <m4n1sh> i dont think it is possible
[18:31] <m4n1sh> unless I package shit myself
[18:31] <m4n1sh> means take source.. strip out things i dnt need
[18:31] <m4n1sh> and compile
[18:31] <XiX> very well :\
[18:31] <m4n1sh> possible but time consuming
[18:31] <m4n1sh> and there are only 24 hours in a day :)
[18:31] <XiX> ill just write a script to shred all of these logs
[18:32] <XiX> and run it in cron
[18:32] <m4n1sh> XiX: actually you can set blacklists too
[18:32] <m4n1sh> but right now the functionality is not so good
[18:32] <m4n1sh> to do it
[18:32] <XiX> i dont like how this is all going, thats all
[18:33] <XiX> idk, ur right about the usability thing
[18:33] <m4n1sh> XiX: yeah
[18:33] <m4n1sh> if we ask the user in the installer "You want zeitgeist to be installed"
[18:33] <XiX> its hard to make an OS thats easy for the end users yet adaptive for the adept
[18:33] <m4n1sh> most users wont understand that question
[18:33] <seiflotfy_> XiX, i love your points btw and i would be happy if you could join us on #zeitgeist
[18:34] <m4n1sh> XiX: people who know can customize
[18:34] <seiflotfy_> u know poinit out any security and privacy concerns
[18:34] <seiflotfy_> and help us have an easy way to deal with it
[18:34] <m4n1sh> XiX: the dilemma of default-settings and customization
[18:34] <seiflotfy_> to ensure maximum usability with minimum exposure of information
[18:34] <XiX> exactly
[18:35] <m4n1sh> XiX: I am working on the blacklist plugin in the next zeitgeist release
[19:55]  * kklimonda wonders if it's time to create some sort of "no services written in anything but C and C++" policy.. I've got 12 python binaries running, and the suck memory like crazy..
[19:55] <kklimonda> even unity is launched using python..
[22:04] <aroman> why did my package that builds perfectly on lucid, fail to build when I changed it to maverick in debian/control? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/65759906/buildlog_ubuntu-maverick-i386.elementary-wallpapers_0.2.1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:06] <ampelbein_> aroman: it could be that in the lucid environment pkgbinarymangler isn't being run.
[22:07] <ampelbein_> aroman: did you upload both packages to your ppa?
[22:08] <aroman> ampelbein_: yeah lucid has always worked
[22:08] <tumbleweed> aroman: as the error says, it's dist-packages in python2.6, not site-packages
[22:08] <aroman> this package is just based on ubuntu-wallpapers
[22:09] <aroman> tumbleweed: i dont know what that means I'm afraid
[22:09] <aroman> i thought i'd see how ubuntu-wallpapers from the maverick series does it
[22:09] <tumbleweed> aroman: you are installing python modules into the wrong location
[22:09] <aroman> and its identical
[22:09] <aroman> tumbleweed:  I dont see how I can change that
[22:10] <aroman> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), cdbs, python, python-central
[22:10] <aroman> Build-Depends-Indep: python-distutils-extra, xsltproc
[22:10] <ampelbein_> aroman: it works on lucid because pkgbinarymangler is disabled there
[22:10] <aroman> ampelbein_: okay, so what should I do t rectify the situation?
[22:11] <ampelbein_> aroman: i'll have a look
[22:11] <aroman> ampelbein_: great, thanks
[22:11] <ampelbein_> aroman: ugh, 60MB
[22:11] <aroman> ampelbein_: :/ it's just wallpapers
[22:12] <aroman> if you have a really slow connection, i can strip them out and upload the tar.gz somewhere
[22:12] <ampelbein_> aroman: nah, it's ok
[22:14] <tumbleweed> aroman: hmm, can't see any mistake you've made
[22:14] <aroman> tumbleweed: yeah i can't imagine whats gone wrong either
[22:15] <aroman> especially since the actual ubuntu-wallpapers package from maverick, that obviously works, does nothing different
[22:15] <aroman> is it remotely possible this is a launchpad bug?
[22:18] <genux> lo
[22:19] <genux> I am getting a error when trying to compile the 11.04 kernel alpha 3
[22:19] <ampelbein_> aroman: no, if you manually build you will see files end up in site-packages
[22:19] <genux> /usr/src/linux-2.6.38/arch/x86/kernel/entry_64.S:1544: Error: .size expression does not evaluate to a constant
[22:19] <genux> just wondering if there is any ideas ?
[22:19] <aroman> ampelbein_: okay, how do I tell it to put them in the proper place then?
[22:20] <ampelbein_> normally with 'python setup.py install --root=$(CURDIR) --install-layout=deb'
[22:20] <ampelbein_> cdbs should include the correct calls
[22:20] <aroman> well, how can I _launchpad_ to do that?
[22:21] <tumbleweed> aroman: not a launchpad bug, cdbs. ampelbein_ yeah, cdbs seems to be forcing site-packages (/me digs)
[22:21] <aroman> interesting
[22:22] <ampelbein_> unfortunately I don't know cdbs too good. I like debhelper far more ;-)
[22:24] <aroman> hmm
[22:25] <tumbleweed> yeah I also avoid cdbs. aroman: easy answer. You really don't need that .egg-info file that's being installed. (This isn't a python module, just a theme using python's distutils to install it)
[22:28] <aroman> what .egg-info file?
[22:29] <tumbleweed> duh, s/ubuntu-wallpapers/elementary-wallpapers/ in your rules
[22:29] <aroman> o.O..?
[22:29] <tumbleweed> aroman: the one that's causing the error. It's deleted in the binary-post-install bit
[22:29] <tumbleweed> but that wasn't being called due because it was waiting for the wrong package
[22:30] <aroman> derp
[22:30] <aroman> megafail
[22:30] <ampelbein_> oh, lol.
[22:30] <aroman> as much of a novice as I am to packaging, that just makes me feel bad
[22:31] <aroman> i inherited this elementary-wallpapers package anyway :/
[22:31] <aroman> and this didn't break on lucid because as ampelbein_ pointed out, pkgbinarymangler is disabled?
[22:31] <tumbleweed> probably, yes
[22:32] <StevenK> It didn't break on Lucid since the policy changed for Maverick?
[22:32] <tumbleweed> pkgbinarymangler does sanity checks (amongst other things)
[22:32] <tumbleweed> this could have also been a new check
[22:32] <StevenK> For Maverick, I suspect it was.
[22:33] <ampelbein_> nah, the transition was in karmic.
[22:33] <ampelbein_> but for lucid, pkgbinarymangler is disabled, see the succesful build log
[22:48] <aroman> Ampelbein: tumbleweed: thanks to your help, launchpad just informed me that elementary-wallpapers finished building :D
[23:44] <TheMuso> psusi: Just ask, and I'll respond when I'm around. Whats up?
[23:46] <psusi> TheMuso, hey, was wondering if you could help me understand 02_disable_dmreg.patch in dmraid
[23:47] <psusi> wait, that's not the one you wrote...
[23:48]  * psusi looks for which patch he was thinking about
[23:51] <psusi> TheMuso, ahh, was dmraid.patch in parted