[10:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson: is there any reason you mentioned 3.1.8 specifically in the postinst file for thunderbird?
[11:01] <micahg> fta: if you get a chance, can you look at debian 611725 to see if we need any of those patches?
[11:01]  * micahg guesses the bot is still gone
[11:01] <micahg> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=611725
[11:50] <chrisccoulson> micahg - are you referring to the folder->symlink migration?
[11:50] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes
[11:51] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it was only needed for 3.1.8
[11:51] <chrisccoulson> you can get rid of it now
[11:51] <micahg> chrisccoulson: right, but people upgrading from maverick, won't they need it as well?
[11:52] <chrisccoulson> micahg - no, because the install location changes, so the workaround isn't needed
[11:52] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ah, ok, right, makes sense, if I do the 3.1.9 upload, I'll drop it then
[11:52] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[11:52] <chrisccoulson> did you try the 3.3 dailies yet?
[11:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: not yet, still have testing to do for 3.6.15
[11:53] <chrisccoulson> (i put the alpha 2 build in to the thunderbird-next PPA too)
[11:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: cool, I'm on natty now BTW
[11:53] <chrisccoulson> excellent
[11:53] <micahg> but running xubuntu :)
[11:53] <chrisccoulson> using unity? ;)
[11:53] <chrisccoulson> ah
[11:54] <micahg> I'll probably test unity at some point
[11:54] <chrisccoulson> yeah, we should all be testing it really ;)
[11:55]  * micahg doesn't like that xubuntu-desktop has to be removed to install ubuntu-desktop
[11:55] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i dropped the firefox-next bzr branch btw. i'm just going to take all of the firefox-next and thunderbird-next builds from trunk
[11:56] <chrisccoulson> it's easier than having 2 branches ;)
[11:56] <micahg> chrisccoulson: that won't work with m-c branching
[11:56] <chrisccoulson> that's ok, because branching only happens for release now
[11:56] <micahg> right, but what are we going to do for the mozilla-2.0 branch
[11:57] <chrisccoulson> nothing ;)
[11:57] <micahg> um...
[11:57] <chrisccoulson> the RC is bascially what will end up being the release (assuming no show-stoppers), so the next upload will be to the firefox-stable PPA
[11:57] <chrisccoulson> and the next upload to firefox-next will come from mozilla-central still (ff5~a1,or whatever)
[11:58] <micahg> right, so firefox-4.0.head become the firefox in teh dailes?
[11:58] <chrisccoulson> yeah, we should do that once firefox 4 is released
[11:58] <micahg> rc1 was tagged on mozilla-2.0 BTW
[11:58] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm just testing it now
[11:58] <micahg> k
[11:59] <chrisccoulson> the builds aren't don yet though (there's nothing on ftp.mozilla.org yet anyway)
[11:59] <chrisccoulson> **done
[12:01] <chrisccoulson> i guess we could have a firefox-next branch temporarily just to do RC builds for firefox-next now that mozilla-2.0 has branched
[12:01] <chrisccoulson> but for most uploads, it's easier just to have a single branch
[12:01] <micahg> chrisccoulson: if it's the same as you're uploading to natty, you can just use the firefox-4.0 branch I guess
[12:02] <chrisccoulson> yeah, the issue is that the source package name is different
[12:02] <micahg> ah, right
[12:02] <chrisccoulson> but the firefox-4.0 branch is what i'll use for firefox-stable
[12:02] <chrisccoulson> i guess we don't want firefox-stable to be parallel installable do we?
[12:02] <micahg> well, that's not how we had it before
[12:03] <micahg> I would think for stable people want the drop in replacement
[12:03] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's what i was planning to do
[12:03] <chrisccoulson> that also means we get official branding, and one less reason for people to use ubuntuzilla
[12:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: BTW, upstream is planning to force libxul and IPC in configure, are we ok with those changes?
[12:04] <chrisccoulson> heh
[12:04] <chrisccoulson> i saw that
[12:04] <chrisccoulson> doesn't work for all of our architectures though
[12:04] <chrisccoulson> (powerpc)
[12:05] <chrisccoulson> and i guess, other distro's that support more architectures are going to have more problems than us
[12:05] <micahg> right, so should we ask upstream not to force that?
[12:05] <chrisccoulson> we should probably fix powerpc tbh
[12:05] <chrisccoulson> we could raise it as an issue though
[12:05] <chrisccoulson> we currently turn off IPC on powerpc
[12:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: maybe chat with glandium as Debian has to support it as well
[12:05] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'll talk to him in the week
[12:06] <chrisccoulson> i'm going to try and keep on top of firefox-stable once 4.0 is released. i really don't want users downloading the ubuntuzilla packages
[12:07] <micahg> well, idk what the problem with 3.6.x was, we upload same or next day to -security the updates
[12:07] <chrisccoulson> i guess i need to test the upgrade paths this week from each release to the current natty branch
[12:07] <chrisccoulson> so people using firefox-next get a nice upgrade path
[12:07] <micahg> that would be nice :)
[12:08]  * micahg has to start working on the webkit upgrade this week
[12:20] <chrisccoulson> has anyone seen gnomefreak recently?
[12:27] <micahg> chrisccoulson: Feb 24
[12:27] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, quite a long time ago
[12:27] <chrisccoulson> i guess I'll need to talk to IS then :/
[12:27] <micahg> I hope everything is ok
[12:28] <chrisccoulson> yeah
[12:28] <micahg> have you tried e-mailing?
[12:28] <chrisccoulson> not yet
[12:52] <fta> hi
[12:54] <fta> micahg, could you please build the current chromium 10 beta on arm? it should be promoted to stable on Tuesday. it has the arm ftbfs fix and the changelog fix too
[12:55] <fta> also, there's a problem with the html5 video tag. it's broken, i can't figure out why
[12:56] <fta> oh, and the ch10 update is also a security update
[12:57] <micahg> fta: I'll upload to the u-m-s PPA in the mean time since my last arm build was OOM and took way too long
[12:57] <micahg> fta: the version will be higher on the promoted one, right?
[12:58] <micahg> fta: also, does it matter which release?
[13:01] <micahg> chrisccoulson: is the crash reporter working for thunderbird yet in natty?
[13:01] <chrisccoulson> micahg, yeah, it should be
[13:01] <micahg> hmm, it didn't actually crash, it was just hidden, good
[13:03] <fta> micahg, i just need a test build. it will not be the exact same version/tarball.
[13:04] <micahg> fta: ok, do you care which release?
[13:04] <fta> the arm flags are lucid vs post lucid
[13:05] <micahg> I'm tempted to do natty since it'll have all the deps
[13:05] <fta> natty is fine
[13:05] <micahg> great
[13:05] <fta> you can dget this one: https://launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/beta/+files/chromium-browser_10.0.648.127~r76697-0ubuntu1~ucd~beta2.dsc
[13:05] <micahg> I'm just copying from the PPA
[13:06] <micahg> \o/ no timeout
[13:07] <micahg> fta: hopefully we'll know in about 20 hours
[13:08] <fta> cool
[13:23] <fta> chrisccoulson, uhuh, seems my blog post about unity is popular
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> fta - "I never switched to Compiz (no benefits for my use case) and I would still be using Metacity if Unity was usable with it" - did you try unity-2d?
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> that runs with metacity
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> (but it also pulls in qt)
[13:28] <fta> chrisccoulson, the thing in Maverick UNE?
[13:28] <chrisccoulson> fta - no, unity-2d is new for natty (it's in the archive now)
[13:28] <fta> oh
[13:29] <chrisccoulson> up until last week, unity-2d was more feature complete than unity proper ;)
[13:29] <fta> i will
[13:29] <fta> i already have qt because of calibre and googleearth iirc
[13:30] <chrisccoulson> it's still a bit crashy tbh (just like unity), but it's pretty impressive considering it's not using compiz
[13:30] <micahg> oh, maybe I'll try unity w/out ubuntu-desktop
[13:32] <fta> chrisccoulson, how do I switch?
[13:33] <chrisccoulson> fta - you need to select the 2D session option from GDM
[13:33] <fta> grrr; it brings appmenu-gtk back
[13:34] <micahg> compiz is using boost, yuck
[13:35] <fta> chrisccoulson, what's the w-m of unity 2d? metacity, mutter?
[13:35] <chrisccoulson> fta - it's using metacity
[13:35] <fta> oohoh
[13:35] <fta> \o/
[13:44] <fta> chrisccoulson, hm, no indicator at all
[13:58] <fta> micahg, about the debian arm bug, it's about armv4t, we target v7
[13:59] <fta> chrisccoulson, how do I add the indicators & nautilus back in unity-2d?
[14:24] <fta>  (<unknown>:13800): libindicator-WARNING **: File '/usr/lib/indicators/4/libapplication.so' does not exist.
[14:24] <fta> $ dpkg -S libapplication.so
[14:24] <fta> indicator-application: /usr/lib/indicators/5/libapplication.so
[14:38] <fta>  #6  0x065c65ad in fastGetOwnPropertySlot (this=0xbfa3cda8, exec=0xb3fff048, propertyName=..., slot=...) at ../3rdparty/javascriptcore/JavaScriptCore/runtime/JSObject.h:382
[14:38] <fta> oh my, Qt has its own JS JIT engine
[14:38] <fta> and it's crashing
[15:03] <fta> micahg, remainder, ch 10 needs libvpx 0.9.5+
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> fta - sorry, i went away for lunch
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> fta - i wonder if nautilus is set to not draw the desktop in unity-2d? it used to be that way in the old unity
[15:11] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure about the indicators though -they should just work
[15:12] <fta> nope https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-2d/+bug/724717
[15:23] <fta> evo looks different in unity-2d
[15:23] <fta> no more preview
[15:23] <fta> but tabs instead
[15:24] <fta> gasp, evo is totally broken
[15:58] <BUGabundo> howdy
[17:53] <BUGabundo> fta: Femme de ménage sexy Paris Lyon Lille Montpellier http://t.co/AAUgITv with ubuntu logo
[20:16] <micahg> fta: that's why I wanted to build natty and thanks for checking the Debian bug
[20:17] <fta> micahg, did you see about libvpx?
[20:17] <micahg> fta: yep, that was the first half of my comment ;)
[20:18] <fta> also, the <video> tag regressed, but i have no idea why, i checked, nada
[20:19] <fta> would be nice to bisect and find out when it happened
[20:19] <micahg> :(, do you have a good test for that I can add to QRT?
[20:19] <fta> youtube
[20:19]  * micahg thinks youtube regressed
[20:20] <fta> nonix4, everything using <video>
[20:20] <fta> nonix4, n-m
[20:20] <fta> i meant "no, ..."
[20:20] <fta> damn xchat
[20:21] <fta> micahg, also http://diveintohtml5.org/detect.html#video  (under the pictures)
[20:22] <fta> it says "does not support HTML video"
[20:22] <fta> while it used to work
[20:23] <micahg> fta: was H.264 removed already?
[20:24] <fta> micahg, nope, i don't think so. and vorbis is broken too
[20:24] <micahg> fta: how soon do you think they'll release to stable?  this doesn't sound good
[20:25] <fta> Tuesday morning, PST
[20:26] <micahg> ok, I guess after I finish testing and release Firefox I can try to narrow this down
[20:26] <fta> HTML5 video is not part of my own test, so i missed it, but i assume it's broken in v9 too
[20:26] <fta> maybe another side effect of the codecs merge
[20:26] <micahg> well, we have tests for webm
[20:26] <BUGabundo> I was the one sounding the alarms :P
[20:26] <fta> BUGabundo, yep, thanks :)
[20:27] <BUGabundo> I always use youtube in html5
[20:27] <fta> as i said in my blog post about unity, my productivity declined significantly because of compiz/unity
[20:29] <BUGabundo> yeah, I miss having a stable compiz
[20:29] <BUGabundo> metacity its toooooo basic for me
[20:30] <BUGabundo> but compiz its to crashy
[20:30] <fta> i don't see what compiz has that metacity can't do (beside useless graphical effects)
[20:30] <micahg> hmm, trunk seems ok
[20:31] <fta> micahg, ?
[20:31] <micahg> chromium
[20:31] <fta> for youtube, you must opt-in to the html5 beta
[20:31] <x_link> Hi!
[20:31] <x_link> I have some small problems getting Firefox 3.6 running on my laptop with Hardy.
[20:31] <fta> micahg, http://www.youtube.com/html5
[20:32] <BUGabundo> micahg: trunk here. not ok
[20:32] <BUGabundo> 11.0.693.0 (77055) Ubuntu 11.04
[20:32] <x_link> I downloaded a tar.gz-file which I extracted and made a shortcut to the startup-file. This works with 3.5 but not with 3.6
[20:33] <micahg> hmm, everything's still using flash
[20:33] <BUGabundo> micahg: YOUAREDONGITWRONG :P
[20:33] <micahg> x_link: we don't support the .tar.gzs
[20:34] <micahg> x_link: what do you need a package for?
[20:35] <chrisccoulson> x_link, why aren't you just using the package we provide?
[20:35] <x_link> Hmm is there a "special" file for 3.6 in hardy?
[20:36] <chrisccoulson> what do you mean?
[20:36] <x_link> chrisccoulson: Which one is the package that you provide?
[20:36] <chrisccoulson> 3.6 is the default browser in hardy
[20:36] <micahg> x_link: 3.6.14 is the default in hardy
[20:36] <x_link> chrisccoulson: My english isn't that very good.
[20:37] <chrisccoulson> just install and make sure you apply all the security updates, and you have 3.6 ;)
[20:37] <x_link> Hmmm....it's 3.5 for me. When I upgrade it to 3.6 it won't load/start.
[20:37] <x_link> chrisccoulson: I tried that, it won't load/start then.
[20:37] <chrisccoulson> not sure where you got 3.5 from
[20:37] <chrisccoulson> it's never had 3.5
[20:37] <x_link> I installed firefox-3.0, then it upgraded to 3.5, after that 3.6
[20:38] <x_link> So I should just run "sudo aptitude install firefox" ?
[20:38] <x_link> Pretty strange that it doesn't work for me.
[20:39] <BUGabundo> fta: more serious then no webM, for me, is it crashes on a certain site!
[20:39] <BUGabundo> reported weeks ago, zero feedback
[20:39] <chrisccoulson> x_link - you should just ensure you have all security updates
[20:39] <fta> BUGabundo, where?
[20:40] <x_link> chrisccoulson: How do I do that?
[20:40] <BUGabundo> fta: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=73913
[20:40] <BUGabundo> every SINGLE time
[20:40] <chrisccoulson> x_link, you probably need to be in #ubuntu
[20:40] <BUGabundo> I'm going mad
[20:40] <BUGabundo> using FF now
[20:40] <chrisccoulson> this isn't really a support channel
[20:41] <x_link> Hehe
[20:43] <x_link> chrisccoulson: Mozilla Firefox 3.6.16pre Seems like I have that one now.
[20:44] <chrisccoulson> x_link, if you're asking how to apply security updates, you really shouldn't be using our daily builds
[20:44] <fta> BUGabundo, even in --temp-profile mode?
[20:44] <chrisccoulson> 3.6.16pre is a daily buil
[20:44] <chrisccoulson> d
[20:44] <BUGabundo> fta: testing
[20:45] <BUGabundo> fta: question: where the heck is chromium on a brand NEW profile get my passwords from???
[20:45] <fta> BUGabundo, i really wish we had breakpad so those go directly upstream
[20:45] <BUGabundo> no login at all
[20:45] <BUGabundo> breakpad
[20:45] <BUGabundo> ?
[20:45] <fta> BUGabundo, it's not supposed to
[20:46] <BUGabundo> fta: all my chromium installs on several machines do that
[20:46] <BUGabundo> both new profiles and private
[20:46] <fta> breakpad to submit the crashes upstream automatically
[20:46] <BUGabundo> scare the hell out of me
[20:46] <fta> hm
[20:46]  * chrisccoulson will look at that this week now we have alpha 3 out of the way
[20:46] <BUGabundo> new profile is NOT chrashing
[20:47] <BUGabundo> hunting down the add on
[20:47] <BUGabundo> that can be causing it
[20:47] <BUGabundo> gonna take a while
[20:47] <x_link> chrisccoulson: Well okey then, thanks for your help.
[20:47] <BUGabundo> does the trace tell you anything?
[20:50] <fta> BUGabundo, i see sun java in your crash
[20:50] <BUGabundo> really?
[20:50] <fta> but your particular crash seems related to the DNS
[20:51] <BUGabundo> that's even stranger
[20:51] <fta> crashes while resolving something
[20:51] <BUGabundo> humm
[20:54] <fta> looks similar to the old http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=25823
[20:55] <BUGabundo> ill disabel addons and test
[20:55] <BUGabundo> give me a few (many) minutes
[21:01] <BUGabundo> buum
[21:01] <BUGabundo> just after 6 addons
[21:01] <BUGabundo> GOT IT
[21:02] <BUGabundo> fta: mind testing this a bit? https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nffehaffffkpgiloohpklpanbfhnkocb
[21:11] <BUGabundo> fta: bug updated , dev contacted
[21:11] <fta> i'm busy fixing my netbook. failed badly in the middle of a maverick->natty upgrade
[21:12] <fta> BUGabundo, are you sure it's this addon?
[21:12] <BUGabundo> with it disable , crash doesn't happen
[21:12] <fta> i mean, does it crash if you have just this one?
[21:13] <BUGabundo> let me reenable all again
[21:13] <BUGabundo> and test
[21:13] <fta> nonix4, disable everything expect this one
[21:13] <fta> grrr
[21:13] <BUGabundo> no crash
[21:14] <fta> nick completion suffix: ","
[21:14] <fta> disabled
[21:16] <BUGabundo> hihih
[21:20] <fta> BUGabundo, do you remember when the HTML5 video started to fail?
[21:22] <BUGabundo> one day before I told u
[21:25] <fta> 2 days ago?
[21:25] <BUGabundo> was it ?
[21:25] <BUGabundo> feels like more
[21:25] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:26] <fta> could you check?
[21:26] <BUGabundo> let me grep the logs
[21:27] <BUGabundo> 2011-03-05.162324+0000WET.txt:(2011-03-05 19:02:14) freenode: with html5 enabled
[21:28] <BUGabundo> man, I must leave home
[21:28] <BUGabundo> I'm going crazy here
[21:28] <BUGabundo> time does NOT pass :S
[21:29] <fta> so it's recent
[21:29] <fta> do you still have the previous build?
[21:30] <BUGabundo> probably
[21:30] <BUGabundo> I keep
[21:30] <BUGabundo> all
[21:30] <BUGabundo> and install daily
[21:30] <BUGabundo> let me revert a few days
[21:30] <BUGabundo> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   16M 2011-03-01 08:15 chromium-browser_11.0.687.0~svn20110301r76345-0ubuntu1~ucd1_amd64.deb
[21:31] <BUGabundo> its the oldest I have
[21:32] <fta> revert the codecs too
[21:32] <fta> use the same version
[21:38] <fta> micahg, fyi, i will promote one new lang in ch10. Uyghur, they jumped from 17% translated yesterday to 91.3% tomorrow
[21:40] <fta> that's even 94.5% in the current beta
[21:42] <fta> woo, and 99.4% in stable
[21:42] <micahg> fta: that should be fine
[21:43] <fta> it's automatic anyway. part of the tarball creation
[21:43] <fta> well, no. whitelisting new langs is not automatic, landing new strings is
[21:50] <fta> BUGabundo, so?
[21:51] <BUGabundo> sorry, busy
[21:53] <BUGabundo> $ sudo dpkg -i chromium-browser_11.0.687.0~svn20110301r76345-0ubuntu1~ucd1_amd64.deb chromium-browser-dbg_11.0.687.0~svn20110301r76345-0ubuntu1~ucd1_amd64.deb chromium-browser-inspector_11.0.687.0~svn20110301r76345-0ubuntu1~ucd1_all.deb chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-extra_11.0.687.0~svn20110301r76345-0ubuntu1~ucd1_amd64.deb chromium-codecs-ffmpeg-nonfree_11.0.687.0~svn20110301r76345-0ubuntu1~ucd1_all.deb
[22:04] <BUGabundo> Your profile can not be used because it is from a newer version of Chromium.
[22:04] <BUGabundo> Some features may be unavailable. Please specify a different profile directory or use a newer version of Chromium.
[22:04] <BUGabundo> fta: ^^^^^^^^^^
[22:04] <fta> uh
[22:04] <fta> wfm
[22:04] <fta> i mean the downgrade
[22:05] <BUGabundo> still happens
[22:05] <BUGabundo> can't play
[22:05] <fta> it's not an old one
[22:05] <fta> but video still NOK
[22:05] <BUGabundo> so its older then 2011-03-01 r76345
[22:08] <fta> I merged the codecs in 674
[22:08] <fta> damn, lp no longer has it
[22:09] <BUGabundo> LP aint made for dailies
[22:11] <BUGabundo> back to chromium-browser (11.0.693.0~svn20110305r77055-0ubuntu1~ucd1) ...
[22:13] <fta> pff, i need to rebuild those
[22:57] <fta> micahg, BUGabundo: good news, ch9 stable and ch10 beta are fine. only ch11 (dev & trunk) are broken
[22:57] <BUGabundo> kk
[22:57] <fta> so it's not my codecs merge after all
[22:59] <fta> dev is at 686, so it's older than that, and beta at 648
[23:18] <micahg> fta: ah, good news, thanks