| hakimsheriff | Hi all | 01:42 |
|---|---|---|
| Omega | Hi. | 01:43 |
| * MichealH waves | 15:56 | |
| Muscovy | Hello AndrewMC, CensoredBiscuit, Crisco, Dykam, hakimsheriff, laknath_, MadnessRed, MichealH, Omega. | 15:59 |
| MadnessRed | hi | 15:59 |
| hakimsheriff | Hello | 16:00 |
| MichealH | Shall we decide on a chair? | 16:00 |
| Muscovy | Sure. | 16:00 |
| * MichealH gets out the Tourbot :P | 16:00 | |
| MichealH | @random MichealH Muscovy | 16:00 |
| TourBot | MichealH: (random [<channel>] [<nick>]) -- Returns a randomly grabbed quote, optionally choosing only from those quotes grabbed for <nick>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. | 16:00 |
| meetingology | MichealH: Error: "random" is not a valid command. | 16:00 |
| MichealH | :/ | 16:00 |
| MichealH | haha | 16:01 |
| MichealH | Faail | 16:01 |
| MichealH | Anyway.... | 16:01 |
| Muscovy | Mind if I just do it? | 16:01 |
| MichealH | Yeah sure | 16:02 |
| MichealH | :P | 16:02 |
| Muscovy | Ok, everyone. | 16:02 |
| MichealH | I thought i confged the bot right :P | 16:02 |
| Muscovy | So here's out general topic list: http://openetherpad.org/ZAhT8DafQ3 | 16:02 |
| TourBot | Title: EtherPad: ZAhT8DafQ3 (at openetherpad.org) | 16:02 |
| MichealH | Muscovy, #startmeeting? | 16:02 |
| Muscovy | Oh. | 16:02 |
| Muscovy | #startmeeting | 16:02 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Sun Mar 6 16:02:43 2011 UTC. The chair is Muscovy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell. | 16:02 |
| meetingology | Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. | 16:02 |
| MichealH | :P | 16:02 |
| Muscovy | #link http://openetherpad.org/ZAhT8DafQ3 | 16:02 |
| MichealH | o/ | 16:02 |
| TourBot | Title: EtherPad: ZAhT8DafQ3 (at openetherpad.org) | 16:02 |
| Muscovy | Ok, I'll skip down to the website first, just to gave everyone a moment to see the ping. | 16:03 |
| Muscovy | Firstly, sorry about the ups and downs. | 16:03 |
| Muscovy | My webhost switched yet again, and it seems the new company isn't any good. | 16:03 |
| Muscovy | I believe philw mentioned he could give free hosting to nonprofits. | 16:04 |
| MichealH | This means the site is potentially delayed, sorry guys! | 16:04 |
| MichealH | I ca get it pushed out soon thoguh | 16:04 |
| hakimsheriff | Philw does hosting for the Ubuntu Youth team | 16:05 |
| Omega | Good day. | 16:05 |
| Muscovy | I'll tlak to him when he comes on, then. | 16:06 |
| MichealH | hakimsheriff, He sure does alot :) | 16:06 |
| MichealH | I can see If I can 'lure' him here | 16:06 |
| Muscovy | Ok, so back to the top, naming and menu conventions. | 16:07 |
| Muscovy | The names of applications seem to be getting a little confusing. | 16:07 |
| MichealH | Muscovy, ^^ | 16:07 |
| Muscovy | The main issue as I see it is default applications are called after what they are, and non-defaults are called by name. | 16:08 |
| Muscovy | Oh, hello phillw. | 16:08 |
| MichealH | Muscovy, Im good at 'luring' people here :P | 16:08 |
| phillw | here as requested, but not yet awake. | 16:08 |
| Muscovy | We were wondering if we could host the tour's site with you, as a nonprofit. | 16:08 |
| phillw | no problems at all with that. | 16:09 |
| Muscovy | Ok, so what do we do? | 16:09 |
| phillw | MichealH: has the keys to my server area. | 16:09 |
| MichealH | Muscovy, If you dropbox me some files I can get the uploaded :) | 16:09 |
| MichealH | Muscovy, Or you could just email them | 16:10 |
| Muscovy | I'll just send you a tarball. | 16:10 |
| MichealH | Sure | 16:10 |
| Muscovy | To make it easier, what's the document root they'll be going in? | 16:10 |
| MichealH | I can then uncompress it onto the server | 16:10 |
| Muscovy | (relevant for the php) | 16:10 |
| Omega | Muscovy: We should discuss all our options. | 16:10 |
| MichealH | Muscovy, I beleive it will be ubuntu-tour.org | 16:10 |
| MichealH | :P | 16:11 |
| Muscovy | ubuntu-tour.org is taken though. | 16:11 |
| MichealH | It should still work fine, i guess | 16:11 |
| MichealH | Muscovy, The dir would be ~/ubuntu-tour.org/ on the sever | 16:11 |
| Muscovy | And the username? | 16:11 |
| Muscovy | Php doesn't understand ~. | 16:12 |
| phillw | MichealH: you just need to create the folder under public_html and have masked redirect send it there from the DNS | 16:12 |
| Muscovy | Omega, what did you mean by other options? | 16:12 |
| MichealH | phillw, Care to PM me how to do that? | 16:13 |
| Omega | Well, I could host it too. (rather a friend of mine that also hosts my website) | 16:13 |
| MichealH | I have seen phillw hosting to be really reliable and fast :) | 16:13 |
| phillw | Omega: is that on a home server, or a commercial one? | 16:14 |
| Muscovy | I figured it would be easier to use phill's hosting since then we don't have to share a control panel and so on. | 16:14 |
| Omega | It is a VPS. | 16:14 |
| Muscovy | Oooh. | 16:14 |
| Omega | No control panel | 16:14 |
| Muscovy | Who needs a control panel when you have a full server? :D | 16:15 |
| MichealH | Muscovy, Phillw has a control panel, but only if he trusts you with his login. | 16:15 |
| phillw | Omega: I use iWeb,they have a 99,95% uptime. and are dead cool with my having sub areas, lubuntu isos, forums for teams etc on it. | 16:15 |
| Muscovy | MichealH, do you think we'll end up needing ssh for anything? | 16:15 |
| MichealH | Muscovy, I suppose not. | 16:15 |
| Muscovy | phillw, does that mean only one or two people can manage the site? | 16:16 |
| phillw | Muscovy: only those with root login access, currently running at about 6! | 16:16 |
| Muscovy | Hmm ok. | 16:17 |
| MichealH | Muscovy, Its cool, I have root accesss so I can upload anytime | 16:17 |
| MichealH | Just send me the files | 16:17 |
| MichealH | :) | 16:17 |
| phillw | as does CensoredBiscuit | 16:17 |
| Muscovy | I guess I'll have to put up with no more live edits. :P | 16:18 |
| MichealH | Muscovy, :P | 16:18 |
| Muscovy | Yeah yeah, bad practice, I know. | 16:18 |
| Omega | I could just let him create a user. | 16:18 |
| Omega | So we can ftp in | 16:18 |
| phillw | bioterror from the lubuntu area also has root login, along with jmarsden. | 16:18 |
| * UndiFineD has no time, but just wanted to point Omega to contact mattgriffin | 16:19 | |
| UndiFineD | Omega: you know why ? :) | 16:19 |
| Omega | I don't know who that is. | 16:19 |
| UndiFineD | #ubuntu-adverts | 16:19 |
| UndiFineD | remember ? | 16:19 |
| Omega | Ah. | 16:19 |
| UndiFineD | ok | 16:19 |
| Omega | Alright, thanks for letting me know. | 16:20 |
| * UndiFineD is back to cooking | 16:20 | |
| Muscovy | I'd kind of rather have our own section though, because then we'd be able to have a few webmasters, plus we can do weird things like apache/Python if we want. | 16:20 |
| Omega | Indeed | 16:20 |
| Muscovy | Shall we vote on the matter? | 16:20 |
| phillw | Muscovy: it has that already :) | 16:20 |
| Omega | And his uptime is great aswell. | 16:20 |
| Muscovy | Or should we hold a vote later by email? | 16:20 |
| MadnessRed | what are the options? | 16:20 |
| Omega | web hosting by phillw, or vps by me | 16:21 |
| Muscovy | Omega's VPS or hosting with phillw. | 16:21 |
| hakimsheriff | we could vote now | 16:21 |
| phillw | it's up to you boys what you wish to do, the offer is there. It makes no difference to me, as it is not my project :) | 16:21 |
| Omega | Alright. | 16:21 |
| Muscovy | Thanks for the offer, phillw. :D | 16:21 |
| Omega | Yeah, thanks :) | 16:21 |
| Muscovy | #vote | 16:21 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: | 16:21 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 16:21 |
| MichealH | But As I am in the long run tending to the website... :P | 16:22 |
| Muscovy | #endvote | 16:22 |
| meetingology | No vote in progress | 16:22 |
| MichealH | Shall It be +1 for Phillw and -1 for Omega | 16:22 |
| MichealH | ect. | 16:22 |
| Muscovy | MichealH, how do we steer this bot? :P | 16:22 |
| hakimsheriff | Use #vote to start and #endvote to finnish | 16:22 |
| MichealH | #vote +1 for Phillw's hosting, -1 for Omegas hosting, +0 for 'Do not care/Dont Know' | 16:23 |
| Muscovy | #vote +1 for Phillw's hosting, -1 for Omegas hosting, +0 for 'Do not care/Dont Know' | 16:23 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: +1 for Phillw's hosting, -1 for Omegas hosting, +0 for 'Do not care/Dont Know' | 16:23 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 16:23 |
| MichealH | +1 | 16:23 |
| meetingology | +1 received from MichealH | 16:23 |
| Omega | -1 | 16:23 |
| meetingology | -1 received from Omega | 16:23 |
| Muscovy | -1 | 16:23 |
| meetingology | -1 received from Muscovy | 16:23 |
| phillw | 0 | 16:23 |
| meetingology | 0 received from phillw | 16:23 |
| hakimsheriff | +0 | 16:23 |
| Muscovy | Anyone else? | 16:24 |
| UndiFineD | -1 | 16:24 |
| meetingology | -1 received from UndiFineD | 16:24 |
| Omega | phillw: I'll have to ask him though, so we might contact you if something goes wrong, is that alright? | 16:24 |
| UndiFineD | looking at future | 16:24 |
| hakimsheriff | it didnt register my vote! | 16:24 |
| hakimsheriff | should I try again | 16:24 |
| MadnessRed | try without the + | 16:24 |
| Muscovy | I wouldn't worry about an unregistered +0. XD | 16:24 |
| MichealH | hakimsheriff, -0 | 16:24 |
| hakimsheriff | 0 | 16:24 |
| meetingology | 0 received from hakimsheriff | 16:24 |
| MadnessRed | 0 | 16:24 |
| meetingology | 0 received from MadnessRed | 16:24 |
| hakimsheriff | there it works thanks | 16:25 |
| Omega | Alright, I think that is all of us. | 16:25 |
| phillw | Omega: no worries, the offer is there, you qualify for hosting. | 16:25 |
| Muscovy | Thanks. :D We'll call if we have any issues. | 16:25 |
| Omega | :) | 16:26 |
| MichealH | Moving on... :P | 16:26 |
| Muscovy | Ok, so jumping to item 1. | 16:26 |
| Muscovy | The names in the tour seem a little confusing. | 16:26 |
| Muscovy | What is "Music"? What is "Banshee"? | 16:26 |
| phillw | Muscovy: you may want to #endvote :P | 16:26 |
| Muscovy | #endvote | 16:26 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: +1 for Phillw's hosting, -1 for Omegas hosting, +0 for 'Do not care/Dont Know' | 16:26 |
| meetingology | Votes for:1 Votes against:3 Abstentions:3 | 16:26 |
| meetingology | Motion denied | 16:26 |
| Muscovy | thanks | 16:26 |
| Muscovy | Default apps use the name of what they are, whereas nondefault apps use their name. | 16:27 |
| MadnessRed | +1 | 16:27 |
| MadnessRed | but non default apps should be hidden by default unless they are installed | 16:28 |
| MadnessRed | like with the browsers | 16:28 |
| Muscovy | If I use Chromium, for example, I'm probably going to click "browser" if I don't know what I'm doing. | 16:28 |
| MadnessRed | yep | 16:28 |
| Muscovy | I agree with that, MaddnesdRed. | 16:28 |
| MadnessRed | where you will see "Other browsers detected" | 16:28 |
| Omega | Mhm, maybe we should name them by their function but in the tour familiarize the user with the program's name? | 16:28 |
| Muscovy | Though at current they just hide, do they not? | 16:28 |
| MadnessRed | the user very rarely sees some of the names though | 16:28 |
| MadnessRed | when I first started, I didn't know that file manager was nautilus, music was rythmbox | 16:29 |
| MadnessRed | it's best to refer to them as the user would be use to | 16:29 |
| Muscovy | Also, we should probably have a Category2: something field in the tour.info files, because then we can have a "show all" mode that takes uninstalled apps out of hidden. | 16:29 |
| Muscovy | In some cases it makes perfect sense. | 16:29 |
| Muscovy | "File manager" is the main name, makes loads of sense, and how many people use non-default file managers and are beginners? | 16:30 |
| MadnessRed | the thing is though, is the tour just instructions on lots of different apps | 16:30 |
| MadnessRed | it seems to be basically a list of applications with instructions on how to use them at the moment | 16:31 |
| MadnessRed | whereas I think the idea initially was a list of tasks and how to do them | 16:31 |
| Muscovy | Aren't the two pretty similar, though? | 16:31 |
| MadnessRed | kind of, but the tour just feels a bit intimidating now, | 16:32 |
| Muscovy | Hmm. | 16:32 |
| MadnessRed | I don't want to read about openoffice, I want to know how to write a document | 16:32 |
| MadnessRed | and don't want to know about how the desktop works, I just want to change my wallpaper | 16:32 |
| MadnessRed | that kind of thing | 16:32 |
| Muscovy | Well openoffice would make more sense if it was Document Editor or something, I suppose. | 16:33 |
| Muscovy | And perhaps it's just me. but http://i.imgur.com/8T2o6.png is a pretty informative wallpaper changing guide. | 16:33 |
| phillw | or just use abiword? | 16:33 |
| MadnessRed | no, I mean it should just say something like "How do I write a word document" | 16:34 |
| Muscovy | OpenOffice, or rather LibreOffice is default though. | 16:34 |
| Muscovy | ...oh. | 16:34 |
| MadnessRed | if you are in terminal in the ubuntu-tour directory: | 16:34 |
| MadnessRed | cat mock-ups/gui\ mockup | 16:34 |
| Muscovy | Well, I think an application-based list should definitely exist, | 16:34 |
| phillw | I'll /part and leave you guys discussing,as I'm lubuntu, we have a different set of apps :D | 16:35 |
| Muscovy | Though it would be very neat if we had a "question" search thing for specific tasks/ | 16:35 |
| MadnessRed | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/maverick/view/head:/mock-ups/gui%20mockup | 16:35 |
| TourBot | Title: ~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/maverick : contents of mock-ups/gui mockup at revision 458 (at bazaar.launchpad.net) | 16:35 |
| Muscovy | Like "how can I check mail". | 16:35 |
| MadnessRed | yh | 16:35 |
| MadnessRed | look at the link above, that's sort of what i thought we were aiming at | 16:35 |
| Muscovy | Other than naming and sorting, the menu seems alike. | 16:36 |
| Muscovy | I like the naming, not sure on the sorting. | 16:36 |
| Muscovy | Actually, that Wine into is pretty good too. | 16:37 |
| Muscovy | Who did this? | 16:37 |
| MadnessRed | me, | 16:37 |
| Omega | I agree with MadnessRed. | 16:37 |
| Muscovy | Good job. | 16:37 |
| MadnessRed | it's been there for a while | 16:37 |
| Omega | Yes, I like his text mockups :) | 16:37 |
| MadnessRed | but I think the tours should be more answering a common question | 16:38 |
| hakimsheriff2 | Nice | 16:38 |
| MadnessRed | rather than just giving instruction on a particular answer | 16:38 |
| MadnessRed | particular application# | 16:38 |
| Muscovy | In case I'm thinking about it wrong, | 16:38 |
| hakimsheriff2 | It could do.both? | 16:38 |
| Muscovy | under your idea, how would I learn about using the internet? | 16:38 |
| MadnessRed | well "how do I browse the internet" would be a question | 16:39 |
| MadnessRed | then it would probably be very similar to the current firefox tour | 16:39 |
| Muscovy | What if I used Opera or Chrome or something? | 16:40 |
| Muscovy | WOuld it redirect? | 16:40 |
| MadnessRed | then the tour has detected that and offers a different variation of the tour | 16:40 |
| MadnessRed | as it does at the moment | 16:40 |
| Muscovy | Ah. | 16:40 |
| Muscovy | I'd make it detect what you have installed and what your default is though, instead of just the static list. | 16:40 |
| Muscovy | I wanted to make it do that, but I had no idea how to integrate java/os. :P | 16:41 |
| MadnessRed | ok, could do that | 16:41 |
| hakimsheriff2 | That works! :) | 16:41 |
| Muscovy | Making an appview mode wouldn't be hard, for more experienced users. | 16:41 |
| Muscovy | MadnessRed, is there anything that should change about the writing style? | 16:42 |
| MadnessRed | I don't think so | 16:42 |
| Muscovy | Perhaps over the next few days we'll have an list or etherpad going to work it out? | 16:43 |
| Omega | The Question-Answer style would make it more approachable | 16:43 |
| Omega | Becuase, users in the end care about how to do something, not about the tools they are using | 16:43 |
| MadnessRed | ^that | 16:43 |
| Muscovy | I agree. | 16:43 |
| Muscovy | Anyone have any issues with shifting to QA-style presentation? | 16:44 |
| MadnessRed | apparently not | 16:44 |
| Muscovy | Thanks for bringing that up. | 16:45 |
| Muscovy | Next, Unity. | 16:45 |
| Muscovy | Now, Unity is really unstable/changing at the moment. | 16:45 |
| Muscovy | However, we could start editing the into to use Unity instead of Gnome. | 16:46 |
| hakimsheriff2 | I think we should wait before unity | 16:46 |
| Muscovy | I think we should get to work on it the month before, since then we'll have far fewer corrections to make. | 16:46 |
| MadnessRed | we also need to update, possibly, for firefox 4 | 16:46 |
| Muscovy | It's only one chapter, and there are a lot of us. | 16:46 |
| Muscovy | Yes. | 16:46 |
| Muscovy | Though that'll mainly be images. | 16:47 |
| MadnessRed | hopefully | 16:47 |
| Muscovy | A link is still a link and so on. | 16:47 |
| Muscovy | Hopefully. XD | 16:47 |
| Muscovy | I'll bring in new apps since we're on Unity. | 16:47 |
| Muscovy | Banshee and Libreoffice are new. | 16:48 |
| Muscovy | No real rush, but those need to be done. | 16:48 |
| Muscovy | I think we should keep the old app tours, since a good number of people will still use them. | 16:48 |
| MadnessRed | again, should we have rythmbox hidden by default like chrome | 16:48 |
| Muscovy | Yep. | 16:48 |
| Omega | LibreOffice won't need much change from OO.O | 16:49 |
| Muscovy | We should remove OO and redirect it to LO, thouhg, since they're really similar. | 16:49 |
| Muscovy | Another easy tour. | 16:49 |
| hakimsheriff2 | Btw.. | 16:49 |
| Muscovy | Yes? | 16:49 |
| hakimsheriff2 | Jm on my phone | 16:49 |
| Muscovy | Ah. | 16:50 |
| Muscovy | Does anyone have anything else on Unity and new applications? | 16:50 |
| hakimsheriff | there is a problem so I ccant participate much sorry | 16:50 |
| Muscovy | I hope everything's all right? | 16:51 |
| Omega | Our arrows, where will they point? | 16:51 |
| MadnessRed | I think LibreOffice is one of the ones which needs to be written as a QA one, since we need to have sepparate tours on how to write documents, manage powerpoints etc | 16:51 |
| hakimsheriff | no, just problem with my phone and i am busy doing something else at the same time | 16:51 |
| Muscovy | The OO tour needs reramping. | 16:51 |
| hakimsheriff | MadnessRed, I agree | 16:51 |
| Muscovy | It was written as a "this is what it does, go Google some docs". | 16:52 |
| MadnessRed | i think there is an arrow in one of the tours, can't remember which though | 16:52 |
| Omega | It might be a good idea to include links for further reading at the end of each tour. | 16:52 |
| Muscovy | Applications and Places menu pages both use them, I think. | 16:52 |
| MadnessRed | yh, File Manager, just found it | 16:53 |
| MadnessRed | is the arrow simple enough to implement? | 16:53 |
| Muscovy | Very, though only for the desktop, as far as I know. | 16:53 |
| Muscovy | No idea how to point to things in apps. | 16:53 |
| MadnessRed | <a href="#" onclick="alert('$arrow.Arrow(137,10,None,\'#FF0000\',-45, 100, 1)');" onmouseover="Tip('Show me')" onmouseout="UnTip()">Places menu</a> | 16:53 |
| MadnessRed | it is actually probably a bit to complicated | 16:54 |
| Muscovy | Other than the -45, 100, 1, I see what everything is. | 16:54 |
| MadnessRed | (137,10,None,\'#FF0000\',-45, 100, 1) = (xpos, ypos, no idea, colour, angle at which it points, size, again no idea) | 16:55 |
| Omega | The complexity shouldn't be a top priority, those don't need to be done much. | 16:55 |
| Muscovy | Scale is the 1 maybe? | 16:55 |
| Muscovy | I agree with Omega, copy-pasta and editing for fine. | 16:55 |
| MadnessRed | (x, y, parent=None, colour='#FF0000', angle=45, size=200, lifetime=5) | 16:56 |
| Muscovy | So, the homepage. | 16:56 |
| MadnessRed | lifetime is how long is stays around for in seconds | 16:56 |
| MadnessRed | yep | 16:56 |
| Muscovy | I made a simple function pair to load specific apps, and try to load the defaults. | 16:56 |
| Muscovy | <a href="exec://tour.load_page(tour.children[tour.tree_catagories[GetTourWithName('Browser')[0]]][GetTourWithName('Browser')[1]], 0)"><img src="../../../images/web.png" /></a> | 16:56 |
| Muscovy | It's more than a little ugly. | 16:57 |
| Muscovy | ...wait, someone removed the GetDefaultApp() | 16:57 |
| Muscovy | MadnessRed? | 16:57 |
| MadnessRed | it's in a comment at the bottom, the tour wasn't working | 16:58 |
| Muscovy | Oh. | 16:58 |
| Muscovy | What was going on, errors with the gconf value? | 16:58 |
| MadnessRed | not sure, was just trying to get it working in time for the start of the meeting | 16:59 |
| MadnessRed | the comment at the bottom is how it was before so we can revert to that | 16:59 |
| Muscovy | I'll take a look at the function later. | 16:59 |
| Muscovy | Anyways, the homepage in general. | 16:59 |
| Muscovy | I though perhaps a general list of things to do, like browse the web, listen to music, etc, and some sort of search bar. | 17:00 |
| MadnessRed | a search bar would be good | 17:00 |
| === omega__ is now known as |Omega | ||
| |Omega | Don't mine me, my bnc was acting up. | 17:01 |
| Muscovy | Anyone have anything to say on the homepage? | 17:01 |
| Muscovy | Ok, next, translations. | 17:02 |
| Omega | |Omega is me :) | 17:02 |
| Muscovy | I've heard a number of complaints about en/en_GB splits. | 17:02 |
| Muscovy | However, I believe MadnessRed has made that unnecessary. | 17:02 |
| Omega | Wait | 17:02 |
| Omega | Can we get back to the tours? | 17:03 |
| Muscovy | Yes. | 17:03 |
| Omega | The homepage makes the other pages seem out of place | 17:03 |
| Omega | Shouldn't we make the other pages homepage-esque? | 17:03 |
| Muscovy | How so? Theme-wise? | 17:03 |
| MadnessRed | I think each catagory should have a | 17:03 |
| Omega | Interface-wise | 17:03 |
| MadnessRed | sort of homepage | 17:04 |
| Omega | You click on a Category you get the questions in the same way the homepage is | 17:04 |
| Muscovy | Hmm. | 17:04 |
| Muscovy | That sounds good, since we could remove the sidebar. | 17:04 |
| Omega | Mhm | 17:04 |
| MadnessRed | the sidebar allows for users to install their own tours / sets of tours though | 17:05 |
| Muscovy | It's not like clicking the home button or going FIle->Home is too slow, considering people won't jump around a lot. | 17:05 |
| Muscovy | We could integrate new things into the homepages though. | 17:05 |
| Muscovy | Make each page build itself from applicable tours. | 17:06 |
| Muscovy | We'd just need to specify an icon in each tour.info or something. | 17:06 |
| |Omega | We could let the homepage have pages, with the second page is where the third party tours go | 17:06 |
| MadnessRed | or just have a file icon.png in the same directory | 17:06 |
| Muscovy | I like that, Omega. | 17:06 |
| Muscovy | Or that, yeah. | 17:07 |
| hakimsheriff | I am new to the team, where can I download Ubuntu Tour? | 17:07 |
| Muscovy | Bzr or installable? | 17:07 |
| hakimsheriff | Any | 17:07 |
| hakimsheriff | doesn't make a difference | 17:07 |
| |Omega | bzr branch lp:ubuntu-tour | 17:07 |
| Muscovy | ^that | 17:08 |
| hakimsheriff | ? | 17:08 |
| Muscovy | Install bzr, then run that in a terminal. | 17:08 |
| |Omega | http://ubuntutour.org/contribute/branch/ | 17:08 |
| hakimsheriff | okay | 17:08 |
| hakimsheriff | thanks | 17:08 |
| TourBot | Title: Project Branch | Ubuntu Tour (at ubuntutour.org) | 17:08 |
| |Omega | there;s a guide there | 17:08 |
| Muscovy | To make the tour run, go to that directory and run ./ubuntu-tour.py | 17:08 |
| hakimsheriff | the website doesnt seem to work | 17:08 |
| Muscovy | :| | 17:09 |
| Muscovy | Oh my goodness it was up just 30 seconds ago. :P | 17:09 |
| Muscovy | ^Why we need OmegaHost. | 17:09 |
| Muscovy | MadnessRed, anything about translations that needs explaining? | 17:10 |
| |Omega | Haha. | 17:10 |
| MadnessRed | urm, don't bother with writing in other dialects any more | 17:10 |
| MadnessRed | just write in the en folder the de folder, the nl folder etc | 17:10 |
| MadnessRed | dialects will be done automatically | 17:11 |
| Muscovy | Ok. :D | 17:11 |
| MadnessRed | please try and spell colour with a u though, just because html spells it without, so colour -> color is easy, but color->colour could potentially cause problems | 17:11 |
| |Omega | Alright. | 17:12 |
| Muscovy | Ok. | 17:12 |
| |Omega | What do you guys think about the homepage pages | 17:12 |
| MadnessRed | oh and centre too, sorry | 17:12 |
| Muscovy | I really like your idea of the main page and subpages. | 17:12 |
| Muscovy | It would look really nice, take up less space, and be very noticeable. | 17:13 |
| Muscovy | People might not scroll down the sidebar, for example. | 17:13 |
| |Omega | Indeed, we might need breadcrumbs at the top though, so you can go up a level easily | 17:14 |
| Muscovy | Yeah. | 17:14 |
| MadnessRed | I have extracted the breadcrumbs from the software centre | 17:14 |
| MadnessRed | as that was written in pygtk | 17:14 |
| |Omega | Great :) | 17:14 |
| Muscovy | :D | 17:14 |
| MadnessRed | im guessing it would be fine to use them? | 17:14 |
| |Omega | With the pages I was thinking we could have those little dots art the bottom | 17:14 |
| |Omega | like in USC | 17:14 |
| |Omega | MadnessRed: Yep :) | 17:15 |
| |Omega | This is the beauty of free software | 17:15 |
| Muscovy | Indeed. | 17:15 |
| MadnessRed | kk | 17:15 |
| MadnessRed | the dot's shouldn't be too hard to do | 17:16 |
| |Omega | Although, we might have to implement it in HTML/JS | 17:16 |
| |Omega | So if we do the online version, it'd be easier | 17:16 |
| Muscovy | Makes sense. | 17:16 |
| Muscovy | Presumably we could generate the subpages upon loading them. | 17:17 |
| MadnessRed | should be able to | 17:17 |
| Muscovy | Loop through the category, and link an image of ./tour/dir/icon.png to the tour. | 17:17 |
| MadnessRed | it think the time object may know how many tours there are anyway | 17:18 |
| MadnessRed | tour object# | 17:18 |
| MadnessRed | yh, | 17:19 |
| MadnessRed | T.t_pages | 17:19 |
| Muscovy | Ok, so the "main thing" as I see it is making the script to build subpags. | 17:19 |
| Muscovy | subpages* | 17:19 |
| Muscovy | The rest like linking from the front page and removing the sidebar when we're ready should be simple. | 17:20 |
| Muscovy | Let's finish this meeting up. | 17:21 |
| Muscovy | Ok, the todo list needs an update. | 17:21 |
| MadnessRed | yh | 17:21 |
| Muscovy | I think it should be a lot less specific, just list tours and general progress (done, not started, needs work, etc). | 17:21 |
| MadnessRed | especially after today | 17:21 |
| Muscovy | I can do that later. | 17:21 |
| MadnessRed | ok | 17:22 |
| |Omega | Some visual feedback on which tour you are selecting would also be good | 17:22 |
| |Omega | Like it lights up | 17:22 |
| Muscovy | Feedback system: I was the toying with the idea of having a simple web form under the File menu or something. | 17:22 |
| Muscovy | Basically was it easy, was it missing things you wanted, how's the UI, etc. | 17:23 |
| Muscovy | Is it a good idea? | 17:23 |
| Muscovy | making it should be dead easy. | 17:23 |
| MadnessRed | yh i think so | 17:23 |
| |Omega | Good idea :) | 17:23 |
| MadnessRed | at least until we get a major release, then put it in the about section | 17:23 |
| Muscovy | Yeah. | 17:23 |
| Muscovy | Ok, I'll set that up later. | 17:23 |
| Muscovy | Second-to-last, screenshots form other languages. | 17:24 |
| MadnessRed | ok, translations in launchpad? | 17:24 |
| Muscovy | Oh? | 17:24 |
| Muscovy | (I know nothing of translations) | 17:24 |
| MadnessRed | we seemed to have missed that | 17:24 |
| MadnessRed | it was on etherpad | 17:24 |
| Muscovy | Right, sorry. | 17:24 |
| Muscovy | Ivo put it there, it seems. | 17:25 |
| MadnessRed | does anyone know how they work? | 17:25 |
| Muscovy | No idea myself. | 17:25 |
| |Omega | I don't, but they it is used widespread | 17:25 |
| |Omega | Maybe we should postpone this one | 17:25 |
| MadnessRed | ok | 17:26 |
| Muscovy | I think so. | 17:26 |
| Muscovy | Maybe having it over mail. | 17:26 |
| Muscovy | have it* | 17:26 |
| MadnessRed | ok | 17:26 |
| Muscovy | Ok, so screenshots in other languages. | 17:26 |
| Muscovy | I'm not sure who put that up. | 17:26 |
| Muscovy | I've not been packaging up other language's screenshots, just because most of them don't have a lot done. | 17:27 |
| Muscovy | Oh, I see, another from Ivo. | 17:27 |
| hakimsheriff | Could you guys help, I am having problems | 17:27 |
| Muscovy | Probably something else for later. | 17:27 |
| Muscovy | Sure. | 17:27 |
| Muscovy | What's the issue? | 17:27 |
| hakimsheriff | hakimsheriff@hakim-ubuntu:~$ bzr branch lp:ubuntu-tour | 17:28 |
| hakimsheriff | The authenticity of host 'bazaar.launchpad.net (91.189.90.11)' can't be established. | 17:28 |
| hakimsheriff | RSA key fingerprint is 9d:38:3a:63:b1:d5:6f:c4:44:67:53:49:2e:ee:fc:89. | 17:28 |
| hakimsheriff | Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes | 17:28 |
| hakimsheriff | Warning: Permanently added 'bazaar.launchpad.net,91.189.90.11' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. | 17:28 |
| hakimsheriff | Permission denied (publickey). | 17:28 |
| hakimsheriff | bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist. | 17:28 |
| Muscovy | It seems your ssh key isn't being accepted. | 17:28 |
| Muscovy | Do you have it on Launchpad? | 17:28 |
| hakimsheriff | just added it | 17:28 |
| Muscovy | Ok, did you run bzr launchpad-login yourlpname ? | 17:29 |
| hakimsheriff | yes | 17:29 |
| Muscovy | I'm not sure, then. | 17:29 |
| hakimsheriff | but the RCA I put in launchpad seems different | 17:29 |
| hakimsheriff | i think it is longer | 17:29 |
| Muscovy | For some reason, bzr lets you pull anonymously, but freaks out if you're sort-of logged in. XD | 17:30 |
| Muscovy | Oh, that could be it. | 17:30 |
| hakimsheriff | but I followed all the intructions on http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://ubuntutour.org/contribute/branch/ | 17:30 |
| TourBot | Title: Project Branch | Ubuntu Tour (at webcache.googleusercontent.com) | 17:30 |
| hakimsheriff | should I change it to the one I see in terminal? | 17:30 |
| Muscovy | I think so. | 17:31 |
| Muscovy | What's different, the names? | 17:31 |
| hakimsheriff | the key itself is different and longer | 17:31 |
| Muscovy | You uploaded ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub, right? | 17:32 |
| MadnessRed | Unfortunately I am going to have to leave you, college dinner ends in a bit, ttyl | 17:32 |
| Muscovy | So long. | 17:32 |
| Muscovy | Thanks for coming. | 17:32 |
| MadnessRed | no problem | 17:32 |
| MadnessRed | \nick Anthony|Away | 17:32 |
| hakimsheriff | It was in the hoem folder | 17:32 |
| |Omega | Bye! | 17:32 |
| === MadnessRed is now known as Anthony|Away | ||
| hakimsheriff | and I had named it key 1 when it asked for a name | 17:33 |
| |Omega | hakimsheriff: Can you give us a minute to wrap up the meeting? | 17:33 |
| hakimsheriff | okay sure | 17:33 |
| |Omega | Last topid: Rumors of me stepping down. | 17:33 |
| |Omega | They are not true, and if I were to step down, you'd hear it from me. | 17:34 |
| |Omega | And I would do so considerably, as I have agreed to in the Code of Conduct. | 17:34 |
| |Omega | The interests of the individual(s) that spread this rumor do not concern me. | 17:35 |
| |Omega | I think that's all I have to say about the matter. | 17:35 |
| Muscovy | Alright, any closing comments from anyone? | 17:36 |
| Muscovy | Meeting adjourned, thanks for coming, everyone! | 17:36 |
| |Omega | #endmeetng | 17:38 |
| |Omega | ^ | 17:38 |
| |Omega | Muscovy: ^ | 17:38 |
| hakimsheriff | So what do I do now? | 17:45 |
| hakimsheriff | Muscovy, ? | 17:46 |
| Muscovy | #endmeeting | 17:49 |
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| Muscovy | Opps. | 17:49 |
| Muscovy | hakimsheriff? | 17:49 |
| hakimsheriff | yup | 17:50 |
| Muscovy | What's the status? | 17:50 |
| hakimsheriff | noting changed | 17:50 |
| hakimsheriff | should I restart the SSH process? | 17:51 |
| Muscovy | I don't think that'll help. | 17:51 |
| Muscovy | What does bzr launchpad-login print out? | 17:51 |
| hakimsheriff | I forget, should I try it again? | 17:51 |
| Muscovy | Just try running bzr launchpad-login. | 17:52 |
| Muscovy | It'll print the status of your login. | 17:52 |
| hakimsheriff | k | 17:52 |
| hakimsheriff | i am sort-of new at this | 17:52 |
| krnekhelesh | hello everyone, I just newly joined your launchpad team | 17:53 |
| krnekhelesh | and got the mail regarding the meeting today but got a bit delayed | 17:53 |
| krnekhelesh | I do have questions though | 17:53 |
| Muscovy | Ask away. | 17:53 |
| krnekhelesh | The website was down for a long time (2 days back) | 17:54 |
| krnekhelesh | or was it just me | 17:54 |
| Muscovy | The website is up and down lots at the moment. | 17:54 |
| Muscovy | It'll be fixed soon. | 17:54 |
| krnekhelesh | oh ok | 17:55 |
| Muscovy | I suggest getting cached pages from Google. | 17:55 |
| krnekhelesh | alrite, actually that what I did to get the instruction to download the branch using bzr | 17:55 |
| krnekhelesh | now regarding contributing, I like to create screenshots and upload | 17:55 |
| krnekhelesh | so I just need to add them to the correct folder and then commit to launchpad using bazaar | 17:56 |
| krnekhelesh | is that it? | 17:56 |
| Muscovy | Yep. | 17:56 |
| Muscovy | Committing is 3 steps: bzr add, bzr commit, and bzr push lp:ubuntu-tour | 17:56 |
| hakimsheriff | Muscovy, It just says hakimsheriff | 17:57 |
| krnekhelesh | ok thnx | 17:57 |
| krnekhelesh | Also, I noticed that the text are written in html format...why is that? | 17:57 |
| Muscovy | That's the easiest way to customize the way text shows up. | 17:57 |
| Muscovy | Plus, it makes doing a web edition really easy. | 17:57 |
| krnekhelesh | ok let's say an application that i think should be included but is not present currently | 17:58 |
| hakimsheriff | hakimsheriff@hakim-ubuntu:~$ bzr launchpad-login | 17:58 |
| hakimsheriff | hakimsheriff | 17:58 |
| krnekhelesh | can I just create a folder for that application and then later add the screenshots and complete it | 17:58 |
| Muscovy | krnekhelesh, what's the application? | 17:59 |
| krnekhelesh | I am just asking in general | 17:59 |
| Muscovy | hakimsheriff, bzr thinks you're logged in fine. What's the error exactly, again? | 17:59 |
| Muscovy | krnekhelesh, it's just that it may not be a priority application. | 17:59 |
| krnekhelesh | ok | 17:59 |
| hakimsheriff | scroll up the irc channel :P | 18:00 |
| krnekhelesh | for instance I think that vlc should be included since it is perfect for viewing all kinds of videos and that it would be nic eif it is included | 18:00 |
| Muscovy | Hmm. | 18:01 |
| Muscovy | At the moment we're just sorting out how we'll show non-default applications in the tour. | 18:01 |
| Muscovy | Ok, so if you want to make a vlc chapter, it needs a folder in tours. | 18:01 |
| Muscovy | In there, make a folder called en. | 18:02 |
| krnekhelesh | ok I understand.. | 18:02 |
| Muscovy | In there, make tour.info. The file should have 3 lines: | 18:02 |
| Muscovy | Name:VLC | 18:02 |
| Muscovy | name is lowercase | 18:02 |
| Muscovy | name:VLC | 18:02 |
| Muscovy | parent:Multimedia | 18:03 |
| krnekhelesh | parent and then position | 18:03 |
| Muscovy | position:10 | 18:03 |
| Muscovy | Yep. | 18:03 |
| krnekhelesh | ok | 18:03 |
| Muscovy | This tells the tour what it is and where to put it. | 18:03 |
| Muscovy | For the actual tour part, each page should be #_arbitraryname.html | 18:04 |
| Muscovy | Like 0_into.html. | 18:04 |
| krnekhelesh | ah | 18:05 |
| krnekhelesh | next few days I'll start with the basics that is just looking over the format and maybe check for grammatical mistakes | 18:05 |
| Muscovy | And you only need to use html for simple formatting like <br />, don't worry about <head> and so on, that's do automatically. | 18:05 |
| krnekhelesh | and then do some more contributions | 18:05 |
| krnekhelesh | ok thanx a lot for answering my questions..it helped a lot in understanding the structure of the program | 18:06 |
| Muscovy | No problem. | 18:06 |
| krnekhelesh | I do have a basic background in python programming, so I'll look into it a bit later | 18:06 |
| krnekhelesh | but cheers... | 18:06 |
| krnekhelesh | bye | 18:06 |
| hakimsheriff | Muscovy, now it syas: | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | * laknath_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | <Muscovy> parent:Multimedia | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | <krnekhelesh> parent and then position | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | <Muscovy> position:10 | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | <Muscovy> Yep. | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | <krnekhelesh> ok | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | <Muscovy> This tells the tour what it is and where to put it. | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | <Muscovy> For the actual tour part, each page should be #_arbitraryname.html | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | <Muscovy> Like 0_into.html. | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | <krnekhelesh> ah | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | <krnekhelesh> next few days I'll start with the basics that is just looking over the format and maybe check for grammatical mistakes | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | <Muscovy> And you only need to use html for simple formatting like <br />, don't worry about <head> and so on, that's do automatically. | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | <krnekhelesh> and then do some more contrib | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | wait that was the chat sorry | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | hakimsheriff@hakim-ubuntu:~$ bzr branch lp:ubuntu-tour | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | Permission denied (publickey). | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist. | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | hakimsheriff@hakim-ubuntu:~$ | 18:07 |
| hakimsheriff | Sorry | 18:08 |
| Muscovy | Maybe ask the bzr channel about this. | 18:08 |
| Muscovy | #bzr | 18:08 |
| hakimsheriff | okay thanks a lot | 18:08 |
| Muscovy | I'm not sure what it's doing, because your settup appears to be ok. | 18:09 |
| hakimsheriff | thanks a lot | 18:09 |
| hakimsheriff | Bye | 18:09 |
| === |Omega is now known as |Omega| | ||
| Omega | So | 23:58 |
| Omega | The website is up, we just need to wait for Muscovy to make the DNS change | 23:58 |
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