[01:42] <hakimsheriff> Hi all
[01:43] <Omega> Hi.
[15:56]  * MichealH waves
[15:59] <Muscovy> Hello AndrewMC, CensoredBiscuit, Crisco, Dykam, hakimsheriff, laknath_, MadnessRed, MichealH, Omega.
[15:59] <MadnessRed> hi
[16:00] <hakimsheriff> Hello
[16:00] <MichealH> Shall we decide on a chair?
[16:00] <Muscovy> Sure.
[16:00]  * MichealH gets out the Tourbot :P
[16:00] <MichealH> @random MichealH Muscovy
[16:00] <TourBot> MichealH: (random [<channel>] [<nick>]) -- Returns a randomly grabbed quote, optionally choosing only from those quotes grabbed for <nick>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
[16:00] <meetingology> MichealH: Error: "random" is not a valid command.
[16:00] <MichealH> :/
[16:01] <MichealH> haha
[16:01] <MichealH> Faail
[16:01] <MichealH> Anyway....
[16:01] <Muscovy> Mind if I just do it?
[16:02] <MichealH> Yeah sure
[16:02] <MichealH> :P
[16:02] <Muscovy> Ok, everyone.
[16:02] <MichealH> I thought i confged the bot right :P
[16:02] <Muscovy> So here's out general topic list: http://openetherpad.org/ZAhT8DafQ3
[16:02] <TourBot> Title: EtherPad: ZAhT8DafQ3 (at openetherpad.org)
[16:02] <MichealH> Muscovy, #startmeeting?
[16:02] <Muscovy> Oh.
[16:02] <Muscovy> #startmeeting
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Mar  6 16:02:43 2011 UTC.  The chair is Muscovy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
[16:02] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
[16:02] <MichealH> :P
[16:02] <Muscovy> #link http://openetherpad.org/ZAhT8DafQ3
[16:02] <MichealH> o/
[16:02] <TourBot> Title: EtherPad: ZAhT8DafQ3 (at openetherpad.org)
[16:03] <Muscovy> Ok, I'll skip down to the website first, just to gave everyone a moment to see the ping.
[16:03] <Muscovy> Firstly, sorry about the ups and downs.
[16:03] <Muscovy> My webhost switched yet again, and it seems the new company isn't any good.
[16:04] <Muscovy> I believe philw mentioned he could give free hosting to nonprofits.
[16:04] <MichealH> This means the site is potentially delayed, sorry guys!
[16:04] <MichealH> I ca get it pushed out soon thoguh
[16:05] <hakimsheriff> Philw does hosting for the Ubuntu Youth team
[16:05] <Omega> Good day.
[16:06] <Muscovy> I'll tlak to him when he comes on, then.
[16:06] <MichealH> hakimsheriff, He sure does alot :)
[16:06] <MichealH> I can see If I can 'lure' him here
[16:07] <Muscovy> Ok, so back to the top, naming and menu conventions.
[16:07] <Muscovy> The names of applications seem to be getting a little confusing.
[16:07] <MichealH> Muscovy, ^^
[16:08] <Muscovy> The main issue as I see it is default applications are called after what they are, and non-defaults are called by name.
[16:08] <Muscovy> Oh, hello phillw.
[16:08] <MichealH> Muscovy, Im good at 'luring' people here :P
[16:08] <phillw> here as requested, but not yet awake.
[16:08] <Muscovy> We were wondering if we could host the tour's site with you, as a nonprofit.
[16:09] <phillw> no problems at all with that.
[16:09] <Muscovy> Ok, so what do we do?
[16:09] <phillw> MichealH: has the keys to my server area.
[16:09] <MichealH> Muscovy, If you dropbox me some files I can get the uploaded :)
[16:10] <MichealH> Muscovy, Or you could just email them
[16:10] <Muscovy> I'll just send you a tarball.
[16:10] <MichealH> Sure
[16:10] <Muscovy> To make it easier, what's the document root they'll be going in?
[16:10] <MichealH> I can then uncompress it onto the server
[16:10] <Muscovy> (relevant for the php)
[16:10] <Omega> Muscovy: We should discuss all our options.
[16:10] <MichealH> Muscovy, I beleive it will be ubuntu-tour.org
[16:11] <MichealH> :P
[16:11] <Muscovy> ubuntu-tour.org is taken though.
[16:11] <MichealH> It should still work fine, i guess
[16:11] <MichealH> Muscovy, The dir would be ~/ubuntu-tour.org/ on the sever
[16:11] <Muscovy> And the username?
[16:12] <Muscovy> Php doesn't understand ~.
[16:12] <phillw> MichealH: you just need to create the folder under public_html and have masked redirect send it there from the DNS
[16:12] <Muscovy> Omega, what did you mean by other options?
[16:13] <MichealH> phillw, Care to PM me how to do that?
[16:13] <Omega> Well, I could host it too. (rather a friend of mine that also hosts my website)
[16:13] <MichealH> I have seen phillw hosting to be really reliable and fast :)
[16:14] <phillw> Omega: is that on a home server, or a commercial one?
[16:14] <Muscovy> I figured it would be easier to use phill's hosting since then we don't have to share a control panel and so on.
[16:14] <Omega> It is a VPS.
[16:14] <Muscovy> Oooh.
[16:14] <Omega> No control panel
[16:15] <Muscovy> Who needs a control panel when you have a full server? :D
[16:15] <MichealH> Muscovy, Phillw has a control panel, but only if he trusts you with his login.
[16:15] <phillw> Omega: I use iWeb,they have a 99,95% uptime. and are dead cool with my having sub areas, lubuntu isos, forums for teams etc on it.
[16:15] <Muscovy> MichealH, do you think we'll end up needing ssh for anything?
[16:15] <MichealH> Muscovy, I suppose not.
[16:16] <Muscovy> phillw, does that mean only one or two people can manage the site?
[16:16] <phillw> Muscovy: only those with root login access, currently running at about 6!
[16:17] <Muscovy> Hmm ok.
[16:17] <MichealH> Muscovy, Its cool, I have root accesss so I can upload anytime
[16:17] <MichealH> Just send me the files
[16:17] <MichealH> :)
[16:17] <phillw> as does CensoredBiscuit
[16:18] <Muscovy> I guess I'll have to put up with no more live edits. :P
[16:18] <MichealH> Muscovy, :P
[16:18] <Muscovy> Yeah yeah, bad practice, I know.
[16:18] <Omega> I could just let him create a user.
[16:18] <Omega> So we can ftp in
[16:18] <phillw> bioterror from the lubuntu area also has root login, along with jmarsden.
[16:19]  * UndiFineD has no time, but just wanted to point Omega to contact mattgriffin
[16:19] <UndiFineD> Omega: you know why ? :)
[16:19] <Omega> I don't know who that is.
[16:19] <UndiFineD> #ubuntu-adverts
[16:19] <UndiFineD> remember ?
[16:19] <Omega> Ah.
[16:19] <UndiFineD> ok
[16:20] <Omega> Alright, thanks for letting me know.
[16:20]  * UndiFineD is back to cooking
[16:20] <Muscovy> I'd kind of rather have our own section though, because then we'd be able to have a few webmasters, plus we can do weird things like apache/Python if we want.
[16:20] <Omega> Indeed
[16:20] <Muscovy> Shall we vote on the matter?
[16:20] <phillw> Muscovy: it has that already :)
[16:20] <Omega> And his uptime is great aswell.
[16:20] <Muscovy> Or should we hold a vote later by email?
[16:20] <MadnessRed> what are the options?
[16:21] <Omega> web hosting by phillw, or vps by me
[16:21] <Muscovy> Omega's VPS or hosting with phillw.
[16:21] <hakimsheriff> we could vote now
[16:21] <phillw> it's up to you boys what you wish to do, the offer is there. It makes no difference to me, as it is not my project :)
[16:21] <Omega> Alright.
[16:21] <Muscovy> Thanks for the offer, phillw. :D
[16:21] <Omega> Yeah, thanks :)
[16:21] <Muscovy> #vote
[16:21] <meetingology> Please vote on:
[16:21] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[16:22] <MichealH> But As I am in the long run tending to the website... :P
[16:22] <Muscovy> #endvote
[16:22] <meetingology> No vote in progress
[16:22] <MichealH>  Shall It be +1 for Phillw and -1 for Omega
[16:22] <MichealH> ect.
[16:22] <Muscovy> MichealH, how do we steer this bot? :P
[16:22] <hakimsheriff> Use #vote to start and #endvote to finnish
[16:23] <MichealH> #vote +1 for Phillw's hosting, -1 for Omegas hosting, +0 for 'Do not care/Dont Know'
[16:23] <Muscovy> #vote +1 for Phillw's hosting, -1 for Omegas hosting, +0 for 'Do not care/Dont Know'
[16:23] <meetingology> Please vote on: +1 for Phillw's hosting, -1 for Omegas hosting, +0 for 'Do not care/Dont Know'
[16:23] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[16:23] <MichealH> +1
[16:23] <meetingology> +1 received from MichealH
[16:23] <Omega> -1
[16:23] <meetingology> -1 received from Omega
[16:23] <Muscovy> -1
[16:23] <meetingology> -1 received from Muscovy
[16:23] <phillw> 0
[16:23] <meetingology> 0 received from phillw
[16:23] <hakimsheriff> +0
[16:24] <Muscovy> Anyone else?
[16:24] <UndiFineD> -1
[16:24] <meetingology> -1 received from UndiFineD
[16:24] <Omega> phillw: I'll have to ask him though, so we might contact you if something goes wrong, is that alright?
[16:24] <UndiFineD> looking at future
[16:24] <hakimsheriff> it didnt register my vote!
[16:24] <hakimsheriff> should I try again
[16:24] <MadnessRed> try without the +
[16:24] <Muscovy> I wouldn't worry about an unregistered +0. XD
[16:24] <MichealH> hakimsheriff, -0
[16:24] <hakimsheriff> 0
[16:24] <meetingology> 0 received from hakimsheriff
[16:24] <MadnessRed> 0
[16:24] <meetingology> 0 received from MadnessRed
[16:25] <hakimsheriff> there it works thanks
[16:25] <Omega> Alright, I think that is all of us.
[16:25] <phillw> Omega: no worries, the offer is there, you qualify for hosting.
[16:25] <Muscovy> Thanks. :D We'll call if we have any issues.
[16:26] <Omega> :)
[16:26] <MichealH> Moving on... :P
[16:26] <Muscovy> Ok, so jumping to item 1.
[16:26] <Muscovy> The names in the tour seem a little confusing.
[16:26] <Muscovy> What is "Music"? What is "Banshee"?
[16:26] <phillw> Muscovy: you may want to #endvote :P
[16:26] <Muscovy> #endvote
[16:26] <meetingology> Voting ended on: +1 for Phillw's hosting, -1 for Omegas hosting, +0 for 'Do not care/Dont Know'
[16:26] <meetingology> Votes for:1 Votes against:3 Abstentions:3
[16:26] <meetingology> Motion denied
[16:26] <Muscovy> thanks
[16:27] <Muscovy> Default apps use the name of what they are, whereas nondefault apps use their name.
[16:27] <MadnessRed> +1
[16:28] <MadnessRed> but non default apps should be hidden by default unless they are installed
[16:28] <MadnessRed> like with the browsers
[16:28] <Muscovy> If I use Chromium, for example, I'm probably going to click "browser" if I don't know what I'm doing.
[16:28] <MadnessRed> yep
[16:28] <Muscovy> I agree with that, MaddnesdRed.
[16:28] <MadnessRed> where you will see "Other browsers detected"
[16:28] <Omega> Mhm, maybe we should name them by their function but in the tour familiarize the user with the program's name?
[16:28] <Muscovy> Though at current they just hide, do they not?
[16:28] <MadnessRed> the user very rarely sees some of the names though
[16:29] <MadnessRed> when I first started, I didn't know that file manager was nautilus, music was rythmbox
[16:29] <MadnessRed> it's best to refer to them as the user would be use to
[16:29] <Muscovy> Also, we should probably have a Category2: something field in the tour.info files, because then we can have a "show all" mode that takes uninstalled apps out of hidden.
[16:29] <Muscovy> In some cases it makes perfect sense.
[16:30] <Muscovy> "File manager" is the main name, makes loads of sense, and how many people use non-default file managers and are beginners?
[16:30] <MadnessRed> the thing is though, is the tour just instructions on lots of different apps
[16:31] <MadnessRed> it seems to be basically a list of applications with instructions on how to use them at the moment
[16:31] <MadnessRed> whereas I think the idea initially was a list of tasks and how to do them
[16:31] <Muscovy> Aren't the two pretty similar, though?
[16:32] <MadnessRed> kind of, but the tour just feels a bit intimidating now,
[16:32] <Muscovy> Hmm.
[16:32] <MadnessRed> I don't want to read about openoffice, I want to know how to write a document
[16:32] <MadnessRed> and don't want to know about how the desktop works, I just want to change my wallpaper
[16:32] <MadnessRed> that kind of thing
[16:33] <Muscovy> Well openoffice would make more sense if it was Document Editor or something, I suppose.
[16:33] <Muscovy> And perhaps it's just me. but http://i.imgur.com/8T2o6.png is a pretty informative wallpaper changing guide.
[16:33] <phillw> or just use abiword?
[16:34] <MadnessRed> no, I mean it should just say something like "How do I write a word document"
[16:34] <Muscovy> OpenOffice, or rather LibreOffice is default though.
[16:34] <Muscovy> ...oh.
[16:34] <MadnessRed> if you are in terminal in the ubuntu-tour directory:
[16:34] <MadnessRed> cat mock-ups/gui\ mockup
[16:34] <Muscovy> Well, I think an application-based list should definitely exist,
[16:35] <phillw> I'll /part and leave you guys discussing,as I'm lubuntu, we have a different set of apps :D
[16:35] <Muscovy> Though it would be very neat if we had a "question" search thing for specific tasks/
[16:35] <MadnessRed> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/maverick/view/head:/mock-ups/gui%20mockup
[16:35] <TourBot> Title: ~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/maverick : contents of mock-ups/gui mockup at revision 458 (at bazaar.launchpad.net)
[16:35] <Muscovy> Like "how can I check mail".
[16:35] <MadnessRed> yh
[16:35] <MadnessRed> look at the link above, that's sort of what i thought we were aiming at
[16:36] <Muscovy> Other than naming and sorting, the menu seems alike.
[16:36] <Muscovy> I like the naming, not sure on the sorting.
[16:37] <Muscovy> Actually, that Wine into is pretty good too.
[16:37] <Muscovy> Who did this?
[16:37] <MadnessRed> me,
[16:37] <Omega> I agree with MadnessRed.
[16:37] <Muscovy> Good job.
[16:37] <MadnessRed> it's been there for a while
[16:37] <Omega> Yes, I like his text mockups :)
[16:38] <MadnessRed> but I think the tours should be more answering a common question
[16:38] <hakimsheriff2> Nice
[16:38] <MadnessRed> rather than just giving instruction on a particular answer
[16:38] <MadnessRed> particular application#
[16:38] <Muscovy> In case I'm thinking about it wrong,
[16:38] <hakimsheriff2> It could do.both?
[16:38] <Muscovy> under your idea, how would I learn about using the internet?
[16:39] <MadnessRed> well "how do I browse the internet" would be a question
[16:39] <MadnessRed> then it would probably be very similar to the current firefox tour
[16:40] <Muscovy> What if I used Opera or Chrome or something?
[16:40] <Muscovy> WOuld it redirect?
[16:40] <MadnessRed> then the tour has detected that and offers a different variation of the tour
[16:40] <MadnessRed> as it does at the moment
[16:40] <Muscovy> Ah.
[16:40] <Muscovy> I'd make it detect what you have installed and what your default is though, instead of just the static list.
[16:41] <Muscovy> I wanted to make it do that, but I had no idea how to integrate java/os. :P
[16:41] <MadnessRed> ok, could do that
[16:41] <hakimsheriff2> That works! :)
[16:41] <Muscovy> Making an appview mode wouldn't be hard, for more experienced users.
[16:42] <Muscovy> MadnessRed, is there anything that should change about the writing style?
[16:42] <MadnessRed> I don't think so
[16:43] <Muscovy> Perhaps over the next few days we'll have an list or etherpad going to work it out?
[16:43] <Omega> The Question-Answer style would make it more approachable
[16:43] <Omega> Becuase, users in the end care about how to do something, not about the tools they are using
[16:43] <MadnessRed> ^that
[16:43] <Muscovy> I agree.
[16:44] <Muscovy> Anyone have any issues with shifting to QA-style presentation?
[16:44] <MadnessRed> apparently not
[16:45] <Muscovy> Thanks for bringing that up.
[16:45] <Muscovy> Next, Unity.
[16:45] <Muscovy> Now, Unity is really unstable/changing at the moment.
[16:46] <Muscovy> However, we could start editing the into to use Unity instead of Gnome.
[16:46] <hakimsheriff2> I think we should wait before unity
[16:46] <Muscovy> I think we should get to work on it the month before, since then we'll have far fewer corrections to make.
[16:46] <MadnessRed> we also need to update, possibly, for firefox 4
[16:46] <Muscovy> It's only one chapter, and there are a lot of us.
[16:46] <Muscovy> Yes.
[16:47] <Muscovy> Though that'll mainly be images.
[16:47] <MadnessRed> hopefully
[16:47] <Muscovy> A link is still a link and so on.
[16:47] <Muscovy> Hopefully. XD
[16:47] <Muscovy> I'll bring in new apps since we're on Unity.
[16:48] <Muscovy> Banshee and Libreoffice are new.
[16:48] <Muscovy> No real rush, but those need to be done.
[16:48] <Muscovy> I think we should keep the old app tours, since a good number of people will still use them.
[16:48] <MadnessRed> again, should we have rythmbox hidden by default like chrome
[16:48] <Muscovy> Yep.
[16:49] <Omega> LibreOffice won't need much change from OO.O
[16:49] <Muscovy> We should remove OO and redirect it to LO, thouhg, since they're really similar.
[16:49] <Muscovy> Another easy tour.
[16:49] <hakimsheriff2> Btw..
[16:49] <Muscovy> Yes?
[16:49] <hakimsheriff2> Jm on my phone
[16:50] <Muscovy> Ah.
[16:50] <Muscovy> Does anyone have anything else on Unity and new applications?
[16:50] <hakimsheriff> there is a problem so I ccant participate much sorry
[16:51] <Muscovy> I hope everything's all right?
[16:51] <Omega> Our arrows, where will they point?
[16:51] <MadnessRed> I think LibreOffice is one of the ones which needs to be written as a QA one, since we need to have sepparate tours on how to write documents, manage powerpoints etc
[16:51] <hakimsheriff> no, just problem with my phone and i am busy doing something else at the same time
[16:51] <Muscovy> The OO tour needs reramping.
[16:51] <hakimsheriff> MadnessRed, I agree
[16:52] <Muscovy> It was written as a "this is what it does, go Google some docs".
[16:52] <MadnessRed> i think there is an arrow in one of the tours, can't remember which though
[16:52] <Omega> It might be a good idea to include links for further reading at the end of each tour.
[16:52] <Muscovy> Applications and Places menu pages both use them, I think.
[16:53] <MadnessRed> yh, File Manager, just found it
[16:53] <MadnessRed> is the arrow simple enough to implement?
[16:53] <Muscovy> Very, though only for the desktop, as far as I know.
[16:53] <Muscovy> No idea how to point to things in apps.
[16:53] <MadnessRed> <a href="#" onclick="alert('$arrow.Arrow(137,10,None,\'#FF0000\',-45, 100, 1)');" onmouseover="Tip('Show me')" onmouseout="UnTip()">Places menu</a>
[16:54] <MadnessRed> it is actually probably a bit to complicated
[16:54] <Muscovy> Other than the -45, 100, 1, I see what everything is.
[16:55] <MadnessRed> (137,10,None,\'#FF0000\',-45, 100, 1) = (xpos, ypos, no idea, colour, angle at which it points, size, again no idea)
[16:55] <Omega> The complexity shouldn't be a top priority, those don't need to be done much.
[16:55] <Muscovy> Scale is the 1 maybe?
[16:55] <Muscovy> I agree with Omega, copy-pasta and editing for fine.
[16:56] <MadnessRed> (x, y, parent=None, colour='#FF0000', angle=45, size=200, lifetime=5)
[16:56] <Muscovy> So, the homepage.
[16:56] <MadnessRed> lifetime is how long is stays around for in seconds
[16:56] <MadnessRed> yep
[16:56] <Muscovy> I made a simple function pair to load specific apps, and try to load the defaults.
[16:56] <Muscovy> <a href="exec://tour.load_page(tour.children[tour.tree_catagories[GetTourWithName('Browser')[0]]][GetTourWithName('Browser')[1]], 0)"><img src="../../../images/web.png" /></a>
[16:57] <Muscovy> It's more than a little ugly.
[16:57] <Muscovy> ...wait, someone removed the GetDefaultApp()
[16:57] <Muscovy> MadnessRed?
[16:58] <MadnessRed> it's in a comment at the bottom, the tour wasn't working
[16:58] <Muscovy> Oh.
[16:58] <Muscovy> What was going on, errors with the gconf value?
[16:59] <MadnessRed> not sure, was just trying to get it working in time for the start of the meeting
[16:59] <MadnessRed> the comment at the bottom is how it was before so we can revert to that
[16:59] <Muscovy> I'll take a look at the function later.
[16:59] <Muscovy> Anyways, the homepage in general.
[17:00] <Muscovy> I though perhaps a general list of things to do, like browse the web, listen to music, etc, and some sort of search bar.
[17:00] <MadnessRed> a search bar would be good
[17:01] <|Omega> Don't mine me, my bnc was acting up.
[17:01] <Muscovy> Anyone have anything to say on the homepage?
[17:02] <Muscovy> Ok, next, translations.
[17:02] <Omega> |Omega is me :)
[17:02] <Muscovy> I've heard a number of complaints about en/en_GB splits.
[17:02] <Muscovy> However, I believe MadnessRed has made that unnecessary.
[17:02] <Omega> Wait
[17:03] <Omega> Can we get back to the tours?
[17:03] <Muscovy> Yes.
[17:03] <Omega> The homepage makes the other pages seem out of place
[17:03] <Omega> Shouldn't we make the other pages homepage-esque?
[17:03] <Muscovy> How so? Theme-wise?
[17:03] <MadnessRed> I think each catagory should have a
[17:03] <Omega> Interface-wise
[17:04] <MadnessRed> sort of homepage
[17:04] <Omega> You click on a Category you get the questions in the same way the homepage is
[17:04] <Muscovy> Hmm.
[17:04] <Muscovy> That sounds good, since we could remove the sidebar.
[17:04] <Omega> Mhm
[17:05] <MadnessRed> the sidebar allows for users to install their own tours / sets of tours though
[17:05] <Muscovy> It's not like clicking the home button or going FIle->Home is too slow, considering people won't jump around a lot.
[17:05] <Muscovy> We could integrate new things into the homepages though.
[17:06] <Muscovy> Make each page build itself from applicable tours.
[17:06] <Muscovy> We'd just need to specify an icon in each tour.info or something.
[17:06] <|Omega> We could let the homepage have pages, with the second page is where the third party tours go
[17:06] <MadnessRed> or just have a file icon.png in the same directory
[17:06] <Muscovy> I like that, Omega.
[17:07] <Muscovy> Or that, yeah.
[17:07] <hakimsheriff> I am new to the team, where can I download Ubuntu Tour?
[17:07] <Muscovy> Bzr or installable?
[17:07] <hakimsheriff> Any
[17:07] <hakimsheriff> doesn't make a difference
[17:07] <|Omega> bzr branch lp:ubuntu-tour
[17:08] <Muscovy> ^that
[17:08] <hakimsheriff> ?
[17:08] <Muscovy> Install bzr, then run that in a terminal.
[17:08] <|Omega> http://ubuntutour.org/contribute/branch/
[17:08] <hakimsheriff> okay
[17:08] <hakimsheriff> thanks
[17:08] <TourBot> Title: Project Branch | Ubuntu Tour (at ubuntutour.org)
[17:08] <|Omega> there;s a guide there
[17:08] <Muscovy> To make the tour run, go to that directory and run ./ubuntu-tour.py
[17:08] <hakimsheriff> the website doesnt seem to work
[17:09] <Muscovy> :|
[17:09] <Muscovy> Oh my goodness it was up just 30 seconds ago. :P
[17:09] <Muscovy> ^Why we need OmegaHost.
[17:10] <Muscovy> MadnessRed, anything about translations that needs explaining?
[17:10] <|Omega> Haha.
[17:10] <MadnessRed> urm, don't bother with writing in other dialects any more
[17:10] <MadnessRed> just write in the en folder the de folder, the nl folder etc
[17:11] <MadnessRed> dialects will be done automatically
[17:11] <Muscovy> Ok. :D
[17:11] <MadnessRed> please try and spell colour with a u though, just because html spells it without, so colour -> color is easy, but color->colour could potentially cause problems
[17:12] <|Omega> Alright.
[17:12] <Muscovy> Ok.
[17:12] <|Omega> What do you guys think about the homepage pages
[17:12] <MadnessRed> oh and centre too, sorry
[17:12] <Muscovy> I really like your idea of the main page and subpages.
[17:13] <Muscovy> It would look really nice, take up less space, and be very noticeable.
[17:13] <Muscovy> People might not scroll down the sidebar, for example.
[17:14] <|Omega> Indeed, we might need breadcrumbs at the top though, so you can go up a level easily
[17:14] <Muscovy> Yeah.
[17:14] <MadnessRed> I have extracted the breadcrumbs from the software centre
[17:14] <MadnessRed> as that was written in pygtk
[17:14] <|Omega> Great :)
[17:14] <Muscovy> :D
[17:14] <MadnessRed> im guessing it would be fine to use them?
[17:14] <|Omega> With the pages I was thinking we could have those little dots art the bottom
[17:14] <|Omega> like in USC
[17:15] <|Omega> MadnessRed: Yep :)
[17:15] <|Omega> This is the beauty of free software
[17:15] <Muscovy> Indeed.
[17:15] <MadnessRed> kk
[17:16] <MadnessRed> the dot's shouldn't be too hard to do
[17:16] <|Omega> Although, we might have to implement it in HTML/JS
[17:16] <|Omega> So if we do the online version, it'd be easier
[17:16] <Muscovy> Makes sense.
[17:17] <Muscovy> Presumably we could generate the subpages upon loading them.
[17:17] <MadnessRed> should be able to
[17:17] <Muscovy> Loop through the category, and link an image of ./tour/dir/icon.png to the tour.
[17:18] <MadnessRed> it think the time object may know how many tours there are anyway
[17:18] <MadnessRed> tour object#
[17:19] <MadnessRed> yh,
[17:19] <MadnessRed> T.t_pages
[17:19] <Muscovy> Ok, so the "main thing" as I see it is making the script to build subpags.
[17:19] <Muscovy> subpages*
[17:20] <Muscovy> The rest like linking from the front page and removing the sidebar when we're ready should be simple.
[17:21] <Muscovy> Let's finish this meeting up.
[17:21] <Muscovy> Ok, the todo list needs an update.
[17:21] <MadnessRed> yh
[17:21] <Muscovy> I think it should be a lot less specific, just list tours and general progress (done, not started, needs work, etc).
[17:21] <MadnessRed> especially after today
[17:21] <Muscovy> I can do that later.
[17:22] <MadnessRed> ok
[17:22] <|Omega> Some visual feedback on which tour you are selecting would also be good
[17:22] <|Omega> Like it lights up
[17:22] <Muscovy> Feedback system: I was the toying with the idea of having a simple web form under the File menu or something.
[17:23] <Muscovy> Basically was it easy, was it missing things you wanted, how's the UI, etc.
[17:23] <Muscovy> Is it a good idea?
[17:23] <Muscovy> making it should be dead easy.
[17:23] <MadnessRed> yh i think so
[17:23] <|Omega> Good idea :)
[17:23] <MadnessRed> at least until we get a major release, then put it in the about section
[17:23] <Muscovy> Yeah.
[17:23] <Muscovy> Ok, I'll set that up later.
[17:24] <Muscovy> Second-to-last, screenshots form other languages.
[17:24] <MadnessRed> ok, translations in launchpad?
[17:24] <Muscovy> Oh?
[17:24] <Muscovy> (I know nothing of translations)
[17:24] <MadnessRed> we seemed to have missed that
[17:24] <MadnessRed> it was on etherpad
[17:24] <Muscovy> Right, sorry.
[17:25] <Muscovy> Ivo put it there, it seems.
[17:25] <MadnessRed> does anyone know how they work?
[17:25] <Muscovy> No idea myself.
[17:25] <|Omega> I don't, but they it is used widespread
[17:25] <|Omega> Maybe we should postpone this one
[17:26] <MadnessRed> ok
[17:26] <Muscovy> I think so.
[17:26] <Muscovy> Maybe having it over mail.
[17:26] <Muscovy> have it*
[17:26] <MadnessRed> ok
[17:26] <Muscovy> Ok, so screenshots in other languages.
[17:26] <Muscovy> I'm not sure who put that up.
[17:27] <Muscovy> I've not been packaging up other language's screenshots, just because most of them don't have a lot done.
[17:27] <Muscovy> Oh, I see, another from Ivo.
[17:27] <hakimsheriff> Could you guys help, I am having problems
[17:27] <Muscovy> Probably something else for later.
[17:27] <Muscovy> Sure.
[17:27] <Muscovy> What's the issue?
[17:28] <hakimsheriff> hakimsheriff@hakim-ubuntu:~$ bzr branch lp:ubuntu-tour
[17:28] <hakimsheriff> The authenticity of host 'bazaar.launchpad.net (91.189.90.11)' can't be established.
[17:28] <hakimsheriff> RSA key fingerprint is 9d:38:3a:63:b1:d5:6f:c4:44:67:53:49:2e:ee:fc:89.
[17:28] <hakimsheriff> Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes
[17:28] <hakimsheriff> Warning: Permanently added 'bazaar.launchpad.net,91.189.90.11' (RSA) to the list of known hosts.
[17:28] <hakimsheriff> Permission denied (publickey).
[17:28] <hakimsheriff> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[17:28] <Muscovy> It seems your ssh key isn't being accepted.
[17:28] <Muscovy> Do you have it on Launchpad?
[17:28] <hakimsheriff> just added it
[17:29] <Muscovy> Ok, did you run bzr launchpad-login yourlpname ?
[17:29] <hakimsheriff> yes
[17:29] <Muscovy> I'm not sure, then.
[17:29] <hakimsheriff> but the RCA I put in launchpad seems different
[17:29] <hakimsheriff> i think it is longer
[17:30] <Muscovy> For some reason, bzr lets you pull anonymously, but freaks out if you're sort-of logged in. XD
[17:30] <Muscovy> Oh, that could be it.
[17:30] <hakimsheriff> but I followed all the intructions on http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://ubuntutour.org/contribute/branch/
[17:30] <TourBot> Title: Project Branch | Ubuntu Tour (at webcache.googleusercontent.com)
[17:30] <hakimsheriff> should I change it to the one I see in terminal?
[17:31] <Muscovy> I think so.
[17:31] <Muscovy> What's different, the names?
[17:31] <hakimsheriff> the key itself is different and longer
[17:32] <Muscovy> You uploaded ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub, right?
[17:32] <MadnessRed> Unfortunately I am going to have to leave you, college dinner ends in a bit, ttyl
[17:32] <Muscovy> So long.
[17:32] <Muscovy> Thanks for coming.
[17:32] <MadnessRed> no problem
[17:32] <MadnessRed> \nick Anthony|Away
[17:32] <hakimsheriff> It was in the hoem folder
[17:32] <|Omega> Bye!
[17:33] <hakimsheriff> and I had named it key 1 when it asked for a name
[17:33] <|Omega> hakimsheriff: Can you give us a minute to wrap up the meeting?
[17:33] <hakimsheriff> okay sure
[17:33] <|Omega> Last topid: Rumors of me stepping down.
[17:34] <|Omega> They are not true, and if I were to step down, you'd hear it from me.
[17:34] <|Omega> And I would do so considerably, as I have agreed to in the Code of Conduct.
[17:35] <|Omega> The interests of the individual(s) that spread this rumor do not concern me.
[17:35] <|Omega> I think that's all I have to say about the matter.
[17:36] <Muscovy> Alright, any closing comments from anyone?
[17:36] <Muscovy> Meeting adjourned, thanks for coming, everyone!
[17:38] <|Omega> #endmeetng
[17:38] <|Omega> ^
[17:38] <|Omega> Muscovy: ^
[17:45] <hakimsheriff> So what do I do now?
[17:46] <hakimsheriff> Muscovy, ?
[17:49] <Muscovy> #endmeeting
[17:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Mar  6 17:49:16 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell . (v 0.1.4)
[17:49] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu-tour/2011/ubuntu-tour.2011-03-06-16.02.moin.txt
[17:49] <TourBot> Title: Alan Bell - Ubuntu Wiki (at wiki.ubuntu.com)
[17:49] <Muscovy> Opps.
[17:49] <Muscovy> hakimsheriff?
[17:50] <hakimsheriff> yup
[17:50] <Muscovy> What's the status?
[17:50] <hakimsheriff> noting changed
[17:51] <hakimsheriff> should I restart the SSH process?
[17:51] <Muscovy> I don't think that'll help.
[17:51] <Muscovy> What does bzr launchpad-login print out?
[17:51] <hakimsheriff> I forget, should I try it again?
[17:52] <Muscovy> Just try running bzr launchpad-login.
[17:52] <Muscovy> It'll print the status of your login.
[17:52] <hakimsheriff> k
[17:52] <hakimsheriff> i am sort-of new at this
[17:53] <krnekhelesh> hello everyone, I just newly joined your launchpad team
[17:53] <krnekhelesh> and got the mail regarding the meeting today but got a bit delayed
[17:53] <krnekhelesh> I do have questions though
[17:53] <Muscovy> Ask away.
[17:54] <krnekhelesh> The website was down for a long time (2 days back)
[17:54] <krnekhelesh> or was it just me
[17:54] <Muscovy> The website is up and down lots at the moment.
[17:54] <Muscovy> It'll be fixed soon.
[17:55] <krnekhelesh> oh ok
[17:55] <Muscovy> I suggest getting cached pages from Google.
[17:55] <krnekhelesh> alrite, actually that what I did to get the instruction to download the branch using bzr
[17:55] <krnekhelesh> now regarding contributing, I like to create screenshots and upload
[17:56] <krnekhelesh> so I just need to add them to the correct folder and then commit to launchpad using bazaar
[17:56] <krnekhelesh> is that it?
[17:56] <Muscovy> Yep.
[17:56] <Muscovy> Committing is 3 steps: bzr add, bzr commit, and bzr push lp:ubuntu-tour
[17:57] <hakimsheriff> Muscovy, It just says hakimsheriff
[17:57] <krnekhelesh> ok thnx
[17:57] <krnekhelesh> Also, I noticed that the text are written in html format...why is that?
[17:57] <Muscovy> That's the easiest way to customize the way text shows up.
[17:57] <Muscovy> Plus, it makes doing a web edition really easy.
[17:58] <krnekhelesh> ok let's say an application that i think should be included but is not present currently
[17:58] <hakimsheriff> hakimsheriff@hakim-ubuntu:~$ bzr launchpad-login
[17:58] <hakimsheriff> hakimsheriff
[17:58] <krnekhelesh> can I just create a folder for that application and then later add the screenshots and complete it
[17:59] <Muscovy> krnekhelesh, what's the application?
[17:59] <krnekhelesh> I am just asking in general
[17:59] <Muscovy> hakimsheriff, bzr thinks you're logged in fine. What's the error exactly, again?
[17:59] <Muscovy> krnekhelesh, it's just that it may not be a priority application.
[17:59] <krnekhelesh> ok
[18:00] <hakimsheriff> scroll up the irc channel :P
[18:00] <krnekhelesh> for instance I think that vlc should be included since it is perfect for viewing all kinds of videos and that it would be nic eif it is included
[18:01] <Muscovy> Hmm.
[18:01] <Muscovy> At the moment we're just sorting out how we'll show non-default applications in the tour.
[18:01] <Muscovy> Ok, so if you want to make a vlc chapter, it needs a folder in tours.
[18:02] <Muscovy> In there, make a folder called en.
[18:02] <krnekhelesh> ok I understand..
[18:02] <Muscovy> In there, make tour.info. The file should have 3 lines:
[18:02] <Muscovy> Name:VLC
[18:02] <Muscovy> name is lowercase
[18:02] <Muscovy> name:VLC
[18:03] <Muscovy> parent:Multimedia
[18:03] <krnekhelesh> parent and then position
[18:03] <Muscovy> position:10
[18:03] <Muscovy> Yep.
[18:03] <krnekhelesh> ok
[18:03] <Muscovy> This tells the tour what it is and where to put it.
[18:04] <Muscovy> For the actual tour part, each page should be #_arbitraryname.html
[18:04] <Muscovy> Like 0_into.html.
[18:05] <krnekhelesh> ah
[18:05] <krnekhelesh> next few days I'll start with the basics that is just looking over the format and maybe check for grammatical mistakes
[18:05] <Muscovy> And you only need to use html for simple formatting like <br />, don't worry about <head> and so on, that's do automatically.
[18:05] <krnekhelesh> and then do some more contributions
[18:06] <krnekhelesh> ok thanx a lot for answering my questions..it helped a lot in understanding the structure of the program
[18:06] <Muscovy> No problem.
[18:06] <krnekhelesh> I do have a basic background in python programming, so I'll look into it a bit later
[18:06] <krnekhelesh> but cheers...
[18:06] <krnekhelesh> bye
[18:07] <hakimsheriff> Muscovy, now it syas:
[18:07] <hakimsheriff> * laknath_ has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
 parent:Multimedia
 parent and then position
 position:10
 Yep.
 ok
 This tells the tour what it is and where to put it.
 For the actual tour part, each page should be #_arbitraryname.html
 Like 0_into.html.
 ah
 next few days I'll start with the basics that is just looking over the format and maybe check for grammatical mistakes
 And you only need to use html for simple formatting like <br />, don't worry about <head> and so on, that's do automatically.
 and then do some more contrib
[18:07] <hakimsheriff> wait that was the chat sorry
[18:07] <hakimsheriff> hakimsheriff@hakim-ubuntu:~$ bzr branch lp:ubuntu-tour
[18:07] <hakimsheriff> Permission denied (publickey).
[18:07] <hakimsheriff> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[18:07] <hakimsheriff> hakimsheriff@hakim-ubuntu:~$
[18:08] <hakimsheriff> Sorry
[18:08] <Muscovy> Maybe ask the bzr channel about this.
[18:08] <Muscovy> #bzr
[18:08] <hakimsheriff> okay thanks a lot
[18:09] <Muscovy> I'm not sure what it's doing, because your settup appears to be ok.
[18:09] <hakimsheriff> thanks a lot
[18:09] <hakimsheriff> Bye
[23:58] <Omega> So
[23:58] <Omega> The website is up, we just need to wait for Muscovy to make the DNS change