[00:01] <bigcalm> iain@iain-Studio-1558:~/www_idophp$ mkdir R
[00:01] <bigcalm> iain@iain-Studio-1558:~/www_idophp$ cd R
[00:01] <bigcalm> iain@iain-Studio-1558:~/www_idophp/R$ ls
[00:01] <bigcalm> Why o why did I just do that last command?
[00:01] <daftykins> force of habit
[00:01] <daftykins> like putting your nose around a door and having a glance in, for a new room
[00:01] <daftykins> you're expressing your male dominance :>
[00:01] <daftykins> assuming your gender of course
[00:02] <hamitron> :)
[00:03] <hamitron> meh
[00:03] <hamitron> keep seeing pink bars across my screen
[00:03] <hamitron> when I look closer they aren't there
[00:03]  * hamitron is cracking up
[00:04] <daftykins> i've had that
[00:04] <daftykins> general hallucinations :>
[00:04] <hamitron> haha
[00:05] <hamitron> omg
[00:05] <hamitron> can't stand this, 130Gb to move into 100Gb space
[00:05] <hamitron> sending me insane
[00:06] <hamitron> gotta free up the hdd for new comp parts arriving this week
[00:07] <shauno> re: hey jude .. http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kwn3lt2ksU1qzxzwwo1_500.jpg
[00:08] <daftykins> hamitron: haha, that's tiny storage ;)
[00:08] <daftykins> and tiny data too
[00:08] <daftykins> XD
[00:08] <hamitron> daftykins: there is more ;/
[00:09] <hamitron> that is just the last stuff to move
[00:09] <daftykins> ah
[00:09] <daftykins> i was going to say! modern times
[00:09] <hamitron> yeh, even I would not struggle with just that amount ;/
[00:10] <hamitron> problem is, data collections grow to the storage
[00:10] <hamitron> and when you need to tweak storage setups, a pain
[00:10] <daftykins> absolutely
[00:10] <daftykins> *points at 75% full 5TB NTFS array on windows file server ;/*
[00:11] <hamitron> yeh
[00:11] <hamitron> exactly
[00:11] <hamitron> so it wouldn't help, me putting more money into it
[00:11] <hamitron> ;)
[00:11] <daftykins> i spent way too much when i went from the previous RAID to this one
[00:11] <hamitron> I got about 2.3tb of stuff
[00:12] <hamitron> but I also like to keep multiple copies, in case a drive breaks
[00:12] <hamitron> so that kinda makes it harder
[00:13] <hamitron> I could free 22Gb by uninstalling 2 games
[00:13] <hamitron> :)
[00:13] <hamitron> but I have to "live" till later in the week
[00:14] <daftykins> yeah i only copy my music to other drives really
[00:14] <shauno> HazRPG: it mostly wasn't done with trackers in c64 era.  you literally just stuff the right values into the right registers.  the good news is they did documentation properly back then; http://archive.6502.org/datasheets/mos_6581_sid.pdf  :D
[00:15] <HazRPG> shauno: Cool, thanks.
[00:15]  * hamitron spanks Azelphur
[00:15] <HazRPG> wait... what did I say for you to post that?
[00:16]  * HazRPG feels confused
[00:16] <shauno> something about books a while back.  just got back from watching a movie
[00:16] <HazRPG> ah
[00:16]  * Azelphur counter spanks hamitron
[00:16] <hamitron> :-o
[00:16] <HazRPG> for a second there, I though you were somehow reading the blog post I was about to do
[00:16] <hamitron> what is with the zz renames?
[00:17] <hamitron> happened last night too
[00:17] <daftykins> 0o
[00:17] <shauno> books on trackers would be odd.  maybe magazine articles, but anyone serious enough about it to buy a book would just be writing code
[00:17] <mgdm> hamitron: at a guess it's a mildly irritating way to indicate he's away :)
[00:18] <hamitron> mgdm: maybe, but he needs to sleep for longer
[00:18] <hamitron> ;)
[00:19] <daftykins> it's been proven that Azelphur never sleeps
[00:19] <hamitron> :)
[00:19] <daftykins> Azelphur: did you ever rig up that lighting system to indicate when someone's at your door whilst you have headphones on?
[00:20] <Azelphur> hamitron: means I got dc'd or more likely X crashed again :P
[00:20] <hamitron> ah
[00:20] <hamitron> X sucks
[00:20] <hamitron> ;/
[00:20] <Azelphur> daftykins: I have a USB doorbell
[00:20] <Azelphur> it runs aplay doorbell.wav
[00:20] <hamitron> serious?
[00:20] <daftykins> XD!
[00:21] <Azelphur> yup
[00:21] <mgdm> daubers has a Jabber doorbell
[00:21] <hamitron> it would be more fun to run shutdown -h 120
[00:21] <hamitron> then you could tell sales people you have to get back to something
[00:22] <Azelphur> I'd show the photo but nautilus has randomly decided it's not going to show thumbnails for most of my photos today
[00:22] <Azelphur> so it's impossible to find.
[00:22] <hamitron> :/
[00:22] <daftykins> aww
[00:23] <daftykins> if ever in life i feel overcome by change
[00:23] <daftykins> i'll come on here and wait for Azelphur to mention a bug he's got going on
[00:23] <daftykins> and i'll find some solace
[00:23] <hamitron> hehe
[00:23] <Azelphur> lol
[00:23] <Azelphur> I've got lots atm
[00:23] <Azelphur> including "Lets just randomly freeze for up to 60 seconds every time you play a game"
[00:23] <hamitron> :(
[00:24] <hamitron> well, you should change to an i3 cpu
[00:24] <hamitron> ;)
[00:24] <Azelphur> and "If you move the mouse while you're freezing, heaven forbid, I'm going to make the mouse pointer flicker forever and X unresponsive until you kill it"
[00:24] <Azelphur> :P
[00:24] <hamitron> or we could swap comps?
[00:24] <Azelphur> lol
[00:25] <Azelphur> I have it all pegged to multi X screen bugs tbh
[00:25] <hamitron> I should point out I don't have an i3 yet...
[00:25] <nucc1> if your X hangs, and you manage to login from another machine via SSH, what command should you run to fix it?
[00:25] <penguin42> nucc1: you can try   sudo stop gdm     and then   sudo start gdm
[00:25] <Azelphur> nucc1: I tried going to ubuntu-x and here and asked that question, got nowhere :(
[00:26] <Azelphur> haha, besides that.
[00:26] <hamitron> sudo shutdown -r 0 is more reliable
[00:26] <Azelphur> yay I found the photo of the USB doorbell http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/July%202010/2010-07-22%2017.36.43.jpg
[00:26] <nucc1> shutdown -r 0 is like reboot?
[00:26] <daftykins> yep
[00:26] <hamitron> yeh
[00:26] <daftykins> i always use that
[00:26] <daftykins> sudo shutdown -h and -r
[00:26] <nucc1> cos i notice that trying to restart X doesn't usually yield any results
[00:26] <hamitron> with a number, or "now"
[00:27] <daftykins> Azelphur: you sir, are a pioneer!
[00:27] <Azelphur> :D
[00:27] <Azelphur> it's actually very simple to do, requires no hardware hacking, and can be done for about £2
[00:27] <hamitron> firefox is acting all weird
[00:27] <daftykins> nucc1: "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart" would be the one
[00:27] <hamitron> :/
[00:27] <daftykins> nucc1: though you wouldn't need to SSH from another comp, you should be able to switch to a TTY? ctrl+alt+f1 etc?
[00:27] <Azelphur> I simply bought one of those cheapo Panic / Boss mode buttons and plugged it in
[00:28] <nucc1> daftykins, not when X is frozen
[00:28] <daftykins> ah ok
[00:28] <Azelphur> it seems to send some weird key combo like ctrl+alt+shift+meta+5
[00:28] <daftykins> just checking :D
[00:28] <Azelphur> so I just used xbindkeys to bind it to aplay doorbell.wav and we have a winner
[00:28] <nucc1> Azelphur,  clicking on the link you gave has made my xchat start acting funny
[00:28] <nucc1> i am typing blind :p
[00:28] <Azelphur> ITS BUG DAY
[00:28] <nucc1> lol
[00:28] <Azelphur> :P
[00:28] <nucc1> i only see square boxes, like undefined unicode points
[00:29] <hamitron> Azelphur: I see a sign on a door, not a door bell
[00:29] <nucc1> lemme reboot it.
[00:29] <Azelphur> hamitron: I suppose that's because the awesome sign is disrtracting you from the also awesome doorbell
[00:30] <hamitron> it is frightening me
[00:30] <nucc1> lol, the doorbell is not the most prominent thing int he pic
[00:30] <hamitron> I shall never ask questions again
[00:30] <Azelphur> :D
[00:30] <hamitron> and you need a lesson on photography
[00:30] <hamitron> ;)
[00:30] <Azelphur> not really, that was actually a photo of the poster on the door
[00:30] <Azelphur> it just also happens to have the doorbell in it
[00:31] <hamitron> ah, well, you should of told me it was bottom right
[00:31] <hamitron> it isn't in focus though :/
[00:31] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:32] <hamitron> would be no good for me
[00:32] <hamitron> I break my comp too often
[00:32] <daftykins> you're talking to Azelphur :>
[00:32] <Azelphur> haha
[00:32] <hamitron> ah, true :D
[00:32] <Azelphur> yea, people asked me what happens if your computer is turned on
[00:32] <Azelphur> turned off*
[00:33] <nucc1> HA HA HA
[00:33] <hamitron> hehe
[00:33] <Azelphur> but the simple obvious answer to that is if my computer ain't on, I ain't listening to music and I can hear you outside the door.
[00:33] <Azelphur> just say "let me in"
[00:33] <Azelphur> lol
[00:33] <daftykins> :O the secret code word
[00:33] <daftykins> *scribbles*
[00:33] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:33] <hamitron> gives you time to hide the tissues at least ;)
[00:34] <hamitron> and ffs, anyone else here use libreoffice?
[00:34] <shauno> is it not fairly obvious that if your computer isn't running, you're too busy to answer the door anyway?
[00:34] <hamitron> hehe
[00:34] <nucc1> what about libreoffice?
[00:35] <hamitron> it won't uninstall
[00:35] <hamitron> on windows though
[00:35] <nucc1> poof
[00:36] <hamitron> just hanging
[00:36]  * nucc1 hits hamitron with a laddle
[00:36] <HazRPG> shauno: hmm, I don't want my blog to sound inaccurate, have a quick skim through and see if this sounds ok: http://www.hazsoft.co.uk/2011/03/06/trackers-music-software/
[00:36] <HazRPG> if you don't mind that is :)
[00:36]  * hamitron hides
[00:38]  * nucc1 has deployed a scarecrow aimed at winxp users
[00:38] <HazRPG> hamitron: hmm, I haven't had trouble uninstalling LibreOffice from windows...
[00:39] <nucc1> the uninstaller is running out of HIGH_MEM
[00:39] <daftykins> so toke some more
[00:39] <daftykins> *ahem*
[00:39] <daftykins> sorry.
[00:39] <daftykins> i do not condone the above action
[00:40] <nucc1> there are a large number of "above action"
[00:43] <daftykins> when?
[00:43] <daftykins> i don't know the convo
[00:45] <shauno> HazRPG: not sure what to tell you; appears your site makes my browser assplode
[00:45] <shauno> :)
[00:45] <HazRPG> waaaa?
[00:46] <hamitron> bah, coffee time
[00:46] <shauno> hm, I don't have dropbox on here atm
[00:46] <nucc1> shauno, what kind of browser??
[00:47] <shauno> an intarwebs browser!
[00:47] <HazRPG> how? I changed that theme to a crisper/clearer theme when I started blogging again (the old one did some javascript wizardry to make the colours change slowly - was pretty cool, but lagged out on some browsers)
[00:47] <shauno> (safari  5.1 (7534.20.8) on osx 10.7.  I'm finding bugs pretty much everywhere I look :)
[00:47] <dwatkins> HazRPG: sounds fascinating
[00:47] <HazRPG> dwatkins: my post?
[00:47] <HazRPG> :)
[00:47] <nucc1> shauno, i have to say that browser needs to lose two letters off the end of its name.
[00:48] <dwatkins> HazRPG: the idea of colour cycling on your blog
[00:48] <HazRPG> dwatkins: it was rather random
[00:48] <daftykins> safa? that's not funny at all :(
[00:48] <shauno> nucc1: not many alternatives unfortunately.  I don't hate myself enough to use firefox for day-to-day browsing
[00:49] <nucc1> shauno, chrome and FF4 aren't options?
[00:49] <HazRPG> dwatkins: I think it just changed the hue of the background image, which looked like the northern lights
[00:49] <shauno> FF is never an option.  chrome is pretty much zero-gain
[00:49] <HazRPG> dwatkins: was rather cool, but it was a 50/50 game with some machines for some reason
[00:50] <HazRPG> shauno: I thought you used chrome?
[00:50] <daftykins> i'd rather anything than Safari
[00:50] <shauno> I use chrome at work
[00:50] <nucc1> shauno, your choice. I don't think i need to know your reasons. FF4 has been giving me joy since i can remember.
[00:51] <shauno> FF gives me joy.  very, very slowly.  until it pigs out all the ram it can get it's hands on, I kill it, and start receiving joy (slowly) from scratch again
[00:51] <nucc1> lol. how long on average is your uptime before it pigs out?
[00:51] <shauno> rarely more than 5 hours
[00:52] <HazRPG> firefox wouldn't like my browsering habits :/
[00:52] <nucc1> i've got about 80 tabs here, and it's got 1.3G of Virtual memory, and 661mb of resident.
[00:52] <shauno> (because in an unrelated problem I have with it, it always crashes during my lunchbreak)
[00:53] <nucc1> lol. havent' experienced a crash in dog years
[00:53] <HazRPG> or should I say doesn't like
[00:53] <nucc1> HazRPG, how so?
[00:53] <shauno> I haven't crashed ff since friday.  I also haven't used it since friday :/
[00:53] <HazRPG> erm, my browser never closes?
[00:53] <HazRPG> just like my PC
[00:54] <nucc1> HazRPG, so what do you use that is so infinitely stable and resource efficient?
[00:54] <HazRPG> nucc1: chrome does my job just fine :)
[00:54] <nucc1> me, i just kill it when it gets too heavy and run it again.
[00:54] <HazRPG> nucc1: you shouldn't have to do that though
[00:54] <nucc1> i just do it when i feel like
[00:55] <nucc1> i don't really get prompted.
[00:55] <nucc1> when i start wondering what is happening to my 4G of ram, i just pick random guys to kill
[00:55] <nucc1> FF and evolution usually go first.
[00:55] <nucc1> WTF, java is currently sitting on 1.2G.
[00:56] <nucc1> darn. musta been the experiments i've been doing lately
[00:57] <hamitron> it is a nasty habbit leaving a browser open
[00:57] <hamitron> I am trying to break my habbit
[00:57] <hamitron> :)
[00:57] <nucc1> wow, it's crazy what programs of nowadays do to ram
[00:57] <nucc1> i've got little hotot here happily munching 512mb of VM
[00:57] <nucc1> whatever it needs that much for.
[00:57] <nucc1> off with its head
[00:58] <hamitron> day to day stuff needs more ram than high end games :/
[00:58] <shauno> I have a web app open for 12 hours a day at work.  having to kill things because they can't behave really isn't; well, shouldn't be normal
[00:58] <daftykins> keeping the browser open isn't mine
[00:58] <daftykins> keeping a million tabs that i never finish with open, is :>
[00:58] <hamitron> yeh
[00:58] <hamitron> that is why I never close my browser
[00:58] <nucc1> yea, so many tabs i don't want to close cos i'm not sure i'm done with them
[00:58] <hamitron> "I will read them pages later"
[00:59] <nucc1> similar situation with my "Downloads" folder
[00:59] <nucc1> its so large now that it takes up to a minute to load in nautilus.
[00:59] <hamitron> I have "old_downloads1,2,3,4,etc"
[00:59] <hamitron> :/
[00:59] <shauno> ~/Downloads is death row on my machine.  if you're still in there 7 days layer, you go straight to the bitbucket
[01:00] <hamitron> :)
[01:00] <shauno> I half think browsers should start downloading things straight to the Trash, so you can just hit empty at the end of the day
[01:00] <nucc1> shauno, you got a cronjob for that?
[01:00] <shauno> I do
[01:00] <hamitron> haha
[01:00] <hamitron> so lazy... I am impressed :)
[01:00] <nucc1> shauno, where is it :)
[01:01] <nucc1> won't mind to rig that kind of setu
[01:01] <nucc1> setup*
[01:01] <shauno> that's a good question; not on my regular OS atm
[01:01]  * shauno goes poking
[01:01] <hamitron> what if you are unable to get to your comp for a week?
[01:01] <nucc1> then you download it again
[01:01] <hamitron> due to say illness
[01:01] <nucc1> if you can't remember it, then you didn't really need it.
[01:02] <shauno> then I'll download it again
[01:02] <hamitron> I am the opersite
[01:02] <hamitron> I keep everything "in case"
[01:02] <shauno> I let the internet hoard stuff :)
[01:02] <nucc1> only files i create myself are "never delete"
[01:02] <hamitron> I wonder if you can get everything I still have
[01:03] <shauno> if it's in ~/Downloads, it can be downloaded again
[01:03] <shauno> there's some stuff in /Volumes/Vault that I don't fancy trying to dig up again.  but that's why it wasn't left to language in d/ls
[01:04] <shauno> gah, languish
[01:04] <nucc1> lol
[01:04] <shauno> if that just autocorrected my spelling I'm going to go nuts
[01:04] <nucc1> autocorrect on the pc?
[01:04] <nucc1> hmmm
[01:04] <shauno> osx 10.7
[01:04] <nucc1> its the first thing i turn off on my phones.
[01:04] <shauno> I'm rather worried about how much parts of it are starting to feel like a giant cellphone
[01:04] <nucc1> lol
[01:05] <nucc1> i don't mind.
[01:05] <nucc1> i just don't like autocorrect.
[01:05] <nucc1> it is dumb
[01:05] <nucc1> "last night, i got really sacred..."
[01:05] <hamitron> if it is new and different, like normal I complain :)
[01:05] <nucc1> stupid thing thinks that "sacred" is more commonly used than "scared"
[01:05] <shauno> my only real complaint with autocorrect is that I curse like a sailor, and my phone apparently doesn't
[01:06] <hamitron> :)
[01:06] <shauno> other than that, it does a better job than my thumbs
[01:06] <hamitron> I find fingers helpful
[01:06] <nucc1> it just helped you spell "language", when you meant to type a shorter word. that doesn't bother you?
[01:07] <shauno> I'm not sure if it did.  and I'm not sure it didn't.  I can't seem to replicate it, but it strikes me as a surprisingly readable typo
[01:07] <hamitron> sometimes you can type the wrong words though
[01:07] <nucc1> very funny.
[01:07] <hamitron> different to the ones you are thinking
[01:07] <nucc1> someone just tried a password guess on my ssh port
[01:07]  * HazRPG likes autocorrect on pidgin
[01:07] <hamitron> :/
[01:08] <nucc1> and i noticed because i have system-monitor open, and the process jumped to the top of the list
[01:08] <hamitron> I like it to highlight bad spelling
[01:08] <shauno> I tend to turn that off
[01:08] <HazRPG> however irritating this is when I try to type an equation out e.g. x = why + z
[01:08] <nucc1> i need it for getting at my files from outside the house
[01:08] <shauno> I don't mind on my phone, because I really can't type with two thumbs
[01:08] <nucc1> i installed fail2ban though.
[01:08] <HazRPG> it changes the Y to "Why", and the only way to correct is hit backspace to tell it that you meant to type that and then continue from there
[01:09] <shauno> but everywhere else, I preferr to have to think about what I'm typing
[01:09] <daftykins> nucc1: non-standard port?
[01:09] <nucc1> nah, standard port
[01:09] <nucc1> i'm too lazy
[01:10] <hamitron> it takes no effort to change :/
[01:10] <shauno> there's a guy at work that comes off as illiterate, because Lotus doesn't do spelling inline.  I'm terrified of ending up like that
[01:11] <hamitron> where does ubuntu log ssh logins by default?
[01:11] <nucc1> /var/log/auth.log
[01:11] <nucc1> i usually do sudo tail /var/log/auth.log
[01:12] <hamitron> hmmm
[01:12] <hamitron> not located there on this vps
[01:12] <nucc1> ls /var/log
[01:13] <shauno> that the cheap one from buyvm?
[01:13] <hamitron> yes
[01:13] <nucc1> i think all auth messages are logged to that file
[01:13] <shauno> they don't have any syslogd running (or installed) in their default build
[01:13] <hamitron> ah, ty
[01:13] <shauno> pam puts everything in auth,log, but it does so via syslog
[01:16] <shauno> they have barely anything running at all.  it's actually kinda nice
[01:16] <shauno> I have a backup MX on their $15 plan.  I think it's all of 6 processes in 15-20Mb of ram
[01:17] <nucc1> i wish i had some booze right now :(
[01:17] <hamitron> I like it
[01:17] <hamitron> just not using it atm
[01:17] <hamitron> :/
[01:18]  * nucc1 dozes off
[01:18] <shauno> http://paste.ubuntu.com/576240/   this is my idea of a tidy house :)
[01:20] <hamitron> I wish the ping for buyvm was lower
[01:20] <hamitron> but based in hong kong?
[01:20] <shauno> cron's only there because I like to logrotate
[01:20] <shauno> hk?  mine appears to be in fremont, california
[01:21] <hamitron> I thhought mine was in the US
[01:21] <hamitron> but now if I use it was a tunnel, I get to google.com.hk
[01:28] <hamitron> shauno: mine appears to be too
[01:28] <hamitron> apart from when I browse the web from it
[01:28] <daftykins> 0o
[01:28] <daftykins> proxy?
[01:30] <shauno> hm, trace route puts the last hops in mine as palo-alto->fremont.  tis convincing
[01:30] <shauno> you're right tho
[01:30] <shauno> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found
[01:30] <shauno> Location: http://www.google.com.hk/ [following]
[01:30] <shauno> wget gets pointed to .hk
[01:31] <hamitron> trace route does look good
[01:31] <hamitron> is hk better for dodgy dealings? ;)
[01:31] <shauno> and this is correcting my typing.  I didn't put a space in traceroute
[01:31] <hamitron> I did
[01:32] <hamitron> ;/
[01:32] <hamitron> it maybe explains why it is so cheap
[01:33] <shauno> heh, that's funky.  geoip puts it in idaho, which makes even less sense.  they don't have computers in idaho.
[01:34] <shauno> they have potatoes.
[01:34] <hamitron> he.net does have part of its network in hong kong
[01:34] <daftykins> you two are just having a far too confusing setup for me to handle
[01:34] <daftykins> :D
[01:35] <shauno> I did try using it as a proxy for hulu.  hulu liked it, my latency didn't
[01:35] <hamitron> it is a vps with sshd ;/
[01:35] <daftykins> it's in hong kong, California and Idaho
[01:35] <shauno> he.net also have part of their network in london.  and paris.  they're not small :)
[01:35] <hamitron> yeh, looking at the map
[01:36] <shauno> daftykins: trying to figure out where the vps are physically hosted
[01:36] <hamitron> but basing it on the fact we get vps dirt cheap...
[01:36] <hamitron> hk springs to mind
[01:36] <daftykins> :D
[01:36] <shauno> really?  insane property prices / population density?
[01:36] <daftykins> two kids to a shauno / hamitron VPS bed
[01:36] <daftykins> :D
[01:36] <shauno> that's not where I would put warehouse-sized hist farms
[01:37] <shauno> host
[01:37] <hamitron> what about in a cave just outside?
[01:37] <hamitron> ;)
[01:37] <shauno> there's not much 'outside'
[01:38] <daftykins> right, gotta sleep
[01:38] <daftykins> ttfn all o/
[01:38] <hamitron> nn dafty
[01:38] <shauno> night daffy
[01:38] <daftykins> <3
[01:38] <hamitron> my main grudge is the ping
[01:38] <hamitron> I was playing with the idea of using it for interactive stuff
[01:38] <shauno> ditto
[01:39] <shauno> I was curious if it's just because they pack the "cheap as dirt" plans in like sardines
[01:39] <shauno> but never felt enticed to try any of their other plans.  not throwing good money after bad
[01:39] <hamitron> I like the service tbh
[01:40] <hamitron> just gives me something if I need it
[01:40] <shauno> the price is right for a failover MX
[01:40] <shauno> the latency means that's about all I'll use it for
[01:41] <shauno> for everything else, I'll stick with bitfolk :)
[01:42] <hamitron> getting 150ms on mine
[01:42] <hamitron> to google in the uk
[01:42] <hamitron> 25ms to google if I use their dns
[01:44] <hamitron> 220ms from here
[01:44] <hamitron> :/
[01:46] <shauno> 2-300ms for ping, but I've taken much longer than that to establish connections with them most times
[01:46] <hamitron> yeh
[01:46] <hamitron> I may write a quick tcp server/client and log the real time
[01:47] <hamitron> not at 2am though
[01:47] <hamitron> :)
[01:47] <shauno> :o)
[01:47] <hamitron> have you found yours stable?
[01:48] <shauno> yeah, but it doesn't really do much :)
[01:49] <hamitron> I've been tempted to tunnel a load of stuff through it
[01:49] <hamitron> just so I am using it
[01:50] <hamitron> but dunno :/
[01:50] <shauno> I tried.  adding 3 seconds onto every http connection wasn't good for my blood pressure.
[01:50] <hamitron> haha
[01:50] <hamitron> gonna try it now
[01:51] <shauno> and it's not just the time it takes to establish a connection.  hulu was unstreamable
[01:51] <shauno> it tried.  I got the spiny wheel for a good 30 seconds.  then it played 2-3 seconds of video, and went back to spinning the wheel
[01:52] <hamitron> I may put torrents through it
[01:52] <hamitron> avoid hassle
[01:52] <shauno> there's half a chance you're not the only one, and that's why the cheap packages are net bound :p
[01:53] <hamitron> net bound?
[01:54] <hamitron> well, will do anyway
[01:54] <hamitron> rather pay the monthly price of most vps, just once a year
[01:55] <hamitron> I did like their control panel too
[01:55] <hamitron> the way you can backup the entire filesystem to a file
[01:55] <hamitron> and change dns easy
[01:56] <shauno> I think that's it.  you're getting what you pay for
[01:57] <shauno> 77 pence a month, if the only complaint is the ping is 200ms higher than you'd like, you're not doing too bad :)
[01:57] <hamitron> yep
[01:59] <shauno> that said, it's never going to replace my "proper" vps
[01:59] <hamitron> this is my only vps
[01:59] <hamitron> :)
[01:59] <hamitron> but it is only a toy
[01:59] <hamitron> my email/web hosting is elsewhere
[01:59] <hamitron> google ;)
[02:00] <shauno> I have mail, web, & voip on mine .. and irssi lives there too
[02:01] <hamitron> suppose the voip is the big thing
[02:01] <hamitron> well, others are if they are essential too :)
[02:02] <shauno> it's not all that bad for cpu/ram, but it'd be very unforgiving of buyvm's latency
[02:02] <hamitron> yeh
[02:03] <hamitron> have you tested burst data transfers?
[02:04] <shauno> atm it's using 45Mb with 3 users
[02:04] <shauno> my 'worst offender' for ram is dropbox :(
[02:04] <shauno> which right now, is using as much as everything else combined
[02:05] <hamitron> omfg
[02:05] <hamitron> I was using 9Mb ram without logging
[02:06] <hamitron> now using 32mb ;/
[02:07] <shauno> that doesn't sound right.  I'm using 12Mb with cron, postfix & syslogd
[02:07] <hamitron> reboot and see
[02:07] <hamitron> :)
[02:08] <hamitron> you aren't on node22 are you?
[02:08] <shauno> dunno.  how do I see?
[02:08] <hamitron> erm
[02:08] <hamitron> can't remember
[02:08] <hamitron> haha
[02:08] <hamitron> any signs of it in traceroute?
[02:09] <shauno> ah.  node23 is the first stop on trace route going outbound
[02:10] <hamitron> 31284kb ram used on fresh boot
[02:10] <hamitron> rsyslogd?
[02:10] <shauno> nah, just syslogd
[02:10] <hamitron> oh
[02:10] <hamitron> that will be why
[02:11] <shauno> haven't seen a good reason to replace it yet
[02:12] <hamitron> it can stay for now
[02:12] <hamitron> ;/
[02:12] <hamitron> dunno why I went for bloat
[02:12] <hamitron> so unlike me
[02:13] <shauno> on things I don't plan on fiddling with often, I prefer to avoid complexity
[02:14] <shauno> if I was a little less lazy, I probably would have thrown upstart out the window by now too
[02:14] <hamitron> :)
[02:14] <hamitron> how much of ubuntu can be thrown out?
[02:14] <hamitron> and keeping ubuntu I mean
[02:14] <hamitron> ;)
[02:14] <shauno> almost all of it :)
[02:15] <hamitron> can you get rid of python?
[02:15]  * shauno tries
[02:16] <shauno> hm, it'd take ufw with it
[02:16] <shauno> otherwise, yes
[02:16] <hamitron> oh, I thought a load of stuff used it
[02:16] <hamitron> :D
[02:17] <shauno> well, that's on the vas, where "a load of stuff" isn't installed
[02:17] <shauno> er, vps
[02:17] <hamitron> once I get my new comp, will try playing with vps
[02:17] <hamitron> atm I only have 2gb ram and I struggle
[02:23] <hamitron> weird
[02:24] <hamitron> vps on yahoo has taken me to canada
[02:31] <shauno> hah, nice
[02:32] <shauno> I think it is just geoip being screwy
[02:42] <hamitron> anyways, off to bed, nn all o/
[02:45] <HazRPG> hamitron: later dude
[02:54] <HazRPG> hmm
[02:54] <HazRPG> how does this sound to you?
[02:54] <HazRPG> http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/music/c64/Tune1-v0.4.ogg
[02:55] <HazRPG> I'm beginning to think I might not be cut out for this... I like the fast drum beat, but I don't want to start the song just like that, cos it's a bit in your face type thing
[02:57] <HazRPG> Guessing no ones around lol
[02:59] <ali1234> i think you need a longer intro
[03:00] <HazRPG> knew it sounded like something was off
[03:00] <HazRPG> so its not just me :)
[03:00] <ali1234> probably 12 bars instead of 4
[03:01] <HazRPG> hmm, I'm not 100% keyed up on music theory/writing
[03:01] <ali1234> "make it 3 times longer"
[03:01] <HazRPG> ah, the whole 3/4 thing
[03:02] <HazRPG> (as its written in notes)
[03:02] <ali1234> time signature
[03:02] <HazRPG> although I have a feeling that's more to do with ...
[03:02] <HazRPG> yeah that
[03:02] <ali1234> you're using 4:4
[03:02] <ali1234> but don't worry if time signature makes no sense - there is no mathematical rule to it
[03:02] <ali1234> at least none that i could discern
[03:03] <HazRPG> I know a few people who do mathematical music
[03:03] <HazRPG> and some of it can sound really random
[03:03] <HazRPG> and only math/music geeks can pick up on it
[03:03] <HazRPG> can't remember the technical term for it
[03:04] <HazRPG> hmm, trying to work out how many pattern sheets more I need then
[03:04] <HazRPG> current that section is on 1 sheet of 64
[03:04] <HazRPG> currently*
[03:05] <ali1234> just the intro?
[03:05] <HazRPG> yeah
[03:05] <ali1234> so you want 2 more?
[03:05] <HazRPG> its speeded up though
[03:05] <ali1234> hmm... why?
[03:05] <HazRPG> cos if I slow it down, it doesn't sound right
[03:05] <ali1234> well yeah but... tempo should be the same
[03:06] <ali1234> the length of the intro is exactly the same as the length of one loop of the main loop bit
[03:06] <HazRPG> no, the whole thing is set as F05
[03:06] <ali1234> wall clock length that is
[03:07] <HazRPG> I'm guessing you've used gt before, after the note letter xxF05 is what I have it set as
[03:07] <HazRPG> xx being the instrument number
[03:07] <ali1234> nope
[03:07] <ali1234> i was wondering what those numbers meant though
[03:07] <HazRPG> F is the command for setting tempo
[03:07] <HazRPG> the 2 numbers after that represents the tempo
[03:08] <ali1234> awesome
[03:08] <ali1234> so yeah
[03:08] <HazRPG> the value can be from 03-7F for global
[03:08] <ali1234> the pattern block for the intro and the main loop... are played at same tempo?
[03:08] <HazRPG> so my guess would be its set at somewhere like 160 tempo?
[03:09] <HazRPG> yeah, I've set the tempo only once
[03:09] <HazRPG> if I was moving it around, it would sound strange
[03:09] <ali1234> yeah
[03:09] <HazRPG> the default tempo isn't to my liking either though, which is why I changed it
[03:09] <HazRPG> like I said, I'm guessing 05 sets it to roughly 160
[03:10] <HazRPG> but I could be wrong
[03:10] <ali1234> i assume tempo sticks throughout the whole song unless it sees another tempo command?
[03:11] <HazRPG> it does yes :)
[03:11] <HazRPG> http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/music/c64/Tune1.v0.4-normal.sid
[03:11] <HazRPG> that's it at normal tempo
[03:12] <HazRPG> like I said, it sounds odd
[03:13] <ali1234> sounds ok... depends what you;re going for
[03:15] <ali1234> what it sounds like to me (and consider that i have no talent for actually making music at all) is you want to repeat the intro 2x, and on the second time, end it one tone higher, and hold that note for another 4 bars (with some weird effects or something) and then bring in the main loop
[03:16] <ali1234> also i kind of like the slow version
[03:16] <HazRPG> if you want, when I'm done, I'll give you a slow version :)
[03:18] <HazRPG> if I'm getting this right, you mean have one whole sheet of 64 with one note held through it?
[03:18] <ali1234> well not *just* that but yeah basically
[03:19] <HazRPG> hmm
[03:19] <HazRPG> I'll see what happens
[03:19] <HazRPG> :)
[03:19] <ali1234> but again it really depends what you're going for
[03:19] <ali1234> slow version is more kind of a hip hop tempo
[03:19] <ali1234> fast version is more like house tempo, which is more where i was coming from
[03:20] <HazRPG> yeah, see I like both those types of music, but it was more the house type I was going for
[03:29] <HazRPG> http://www.hazrpg.co.uk/music/c64/fav/
[03:29] <HazRPG> those are some of the songs that I like, that I want sort of similar sort of effect
[03:29] <HazRPG> ooo wait I missed one
[03:30] <HazRPG> mainly cadaver2.sid and spektral_i.sid
[03:30] <HazRPG> and you'll notice where I'm sort of coming from
[03:31] <ali1234> they all sound completely different to me :)
[03:31] <HazRPG> its mainly the effects I like from most of them
[03:32] <HazRPG> I'm not like most people that only listen to one type of music, I like all sorts
[03:32] <ali1234> lol you stole the hook from cadaver2
[03:32] <HazRPG> *blushes*
[03:32] <HazRPG> yup
[03:35] <ali1234> a lot of this sid stuff is really weird and complex
[03:36] <ali1234> it's almost like prog rock in how much it changes through out the song
[03:36] <ali1234> which is ok, but not very catchy
[03:37] <HazRPG> you mean the one's I've put up?
[03:37] <HazRPG> or in general?
[03:37] <ali1234> well, cavader2 in particular
[03:37] <ali1234> but i've noticed it in a lot of sid music
[03:38] <ali1234> i think it's cos they are trying to not get repetitive when you listen to it on a loop in a game
[03:38] <HazRPG> I think its more to do with the time constraint it takes to make just one song
[03:38] <HazRPG> that could also explain it too
[03:38] <ali1234> my favourite sid tune is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1stW0J7Myew
[03:39] <HazRPG> but those sid's I've put up, some are made in 2009-2011 though
[03:39] <ali1234> and notice that it's the loading music, it plays once and then it's over
[03:40] <HazRPG> ahhh good ol' arkanoid :)
[03:40] <shauno> heh, that's funny, I've noticed a lot of my favourite chiptune is taito's newer stuff
[03:40] <shauno> they've still 'got it'
[03:41] <ali1234> there's a hardsid version of that one on youtube somewhere, can't find it now
[03:42] <HazRPG> shauno: really, taito is still making chiptunes?
[03:43] <shauno> I think it's all just synth, but trying to keep to the style .. ish
[03:45] <HazRPG> hmm, probably an outrageous question, but do newer sound cards not function in the same way as they use to? Is it not possible to force it to make music similar to how SID's worked
[03:45] <HazRPG> ?*
[03:45] <ali1234> no :)
[03:45] <shauno> the closest left is midi.  otherwise, no
[03:46] <ali1234> synthesis type is totally different
[03:46] <shauno> DAC is superior in pretty much every way
[03:46] <shauno> chiptune just plays to our nostalgia :)
[03:47] <HazRPG> isn't DAC used in synths?
[03:47] <ali1234> yes
[03:47] <ali1234> but in a different way
[03:47] <HazRPG> shauno: you would be correct on that one :)
[03:47] <ali1234> i mean any computer sound chip is by definition a DAC...
[03:47] <ali1234> and so is a video card
[03:47] <ali1234> unless it's hdmi
[03:48] <ali1234> or dvi-d
[03:48] <HazRPG> hmm, yeah I guess
[03:48] <ali1234> of course you can have a totally analogue synth too
[03:49] <ali1234> anyway, sid uses something called direct digital synthesis
[03:49] <ali1234> which basically means it works in fixed point and changes the pitch by changing the sample rate
[03:50] <ali1234> then it has a bunch of analogue filters
[03:50] <HazRPG> I could be wrong, but it's the resistors that cause it to change the sample rate correct?
[03:50] <ali1234> no
[03:50] <ali1234> sample rate is controled in digital logic
[03:51] <ali1234> it works with a 24 bit register
[03:51] <ali1234> that's the phase accumulator
[03:51] <ali1234> then you have the pitch control register
[03:52] <ali1234> at a fixed interval the pitch register gets added to the phase accumulator
[03:52] <ali1234> then it takes the top few bits of that result and that indexes into the wave table
[03:52] <ali1234> you can program this in software very easily actually
[03:53] <ali1234> then write the result into a wave file or the sound card
[03:53] <ali1234> that's what resid does, along with the filter simulation (which is much harder for obvious reasons)
[03:55] <HazRPG> yeah I'm trying to avoid using the filter table in GoatTracker, because a few of the raw sng files I downloaded were direct copies from the c64 and some didn't play right (compared to the mp3 they had on download)
[03:56] <HazRPG> there's some documentation lying around that mention that using the filter should be tested on a c64 first, otherwise you'll get different results on the PC
[03:58] <HazRPG> something along the lines that the way the SID worked, you could input values and it'd do some really cool effects that shouldn't technically come out
[03:58] <HazRPG> tried a few of those values and it just crashes goattracker
[03:58] <HazRPG> or at least the audio part of goattracker, have to open/close it to get sound back
[04:02] <HazRPG> I should really get back into my hardware tbh
[04:03] <HazRPG> ali1234: the only reason I said resistors is because about 4 years ago I bought a few chips, wires and bits n bobs from my local tech/hardware shop
[04:03] <ali1234> you can make a whole midi synth on an avr these days
[04:04] <HazRPG> and I was producing sound using a 555 timing chip, a speaker and some resistors
[04:04] <ali1234> ew
[04:04] <ali1234> that's even more basic than DDS
[04:04] <ali1234> that's basically entirely analogue
[04:04] <HazRPG> I was mucking about :P
[04:04] <HazRPG> yeah I figured it was
[04:05] <ali1234> that's the kind of circuit they use in those toy keyboards they sell in the pound shops
[04:05] <ali1234> it's *really* innaccurate... if you ever played one, you'll notice it sounds like it's detuned
[04:05] <HazRPG> DDS - as in direct digital synthesizer?
[04:06] <ali1234> yes
[04:06] <shauno> there's a pretty good block diagram showing what makes it tick on that pdf I found earlier.  http://archive.6502.org/datasheets/mos_6581_sid.pdf  on page2
[04:07] <shauno> fantastic thing about 80s stuff, is when you find the actual docs, they tend to be goldmines that make modern documentation seem like it was written by a 4yo
[04:07] <ali1234> yes
[04:07] <ali1234> i wish computers still had proper docs
[04:07] <ali1234> even when you can get a TRM or something it's usually rubbish
[04:08] <HazRPG> shauno: oh yeah, that was the doc you sent me earlier :)
[04:08] <HazRPG> I still have that open :)
[04:08] <shauno> I dunno I'd want to see docs like that for my laptop :/
[04:09] <shauno> I have block diagrams & schematics of my amiga, and both the third-party cards in it
[04:09] <shauno> can you imagine how messy that'd be for a modern machine?
[04:09] <HazRPG> you know it took me hours of sprawling the internet for find some documentation on the 555 timer when I was mucking about with it - ended up finding the solution in a physics good
[04:09] <HazRPG> s/good/book
[04:09] <shauno> there's not really much to know about 555/6, which is why you'll struggle with that
[04:10] <HazRPG> shauno: I can imagine having the schematics of just an intel/amd chip by itself would be a massssssssive document
[04:10] <shauno> stick juice in this end, and a resistor between these two pins.  if you don't like the results, pick a different resistor
[04:11] <HazRPG> shauno: indeed
[04:11] <ali1234> yup. basic rc oscillator. highly unstable :)
[04:12] <shauno> older stuff is totally worth googling datasheets for tho
[04:12] <HazRPG> the information was in the physics book I found at a bookshop, came in handy for figuring out different resistors by colour, etc
[04:12] <shauno> heh.  15 years ago I would have been able to do that without thinking
[04:12] <shauno> now ... well, there's an app for that (tm)
[04:13] <HazRPG> I wanted to do electronics at school, but when my mum decided to move to saudi - that threw that dream out the window :(
[04:13] <HazRPG> they didn't have electronics as a subject in saudi sadly
[04:13] <shauno> altho for the most part I don't think you learn to 'read the bands' so much
[04:13] <HazRPG> don't get me wrong, physics does go into it - buts it's a lot more varied
[04:13] <ali1234> they don't teach you much in secondary school electronics courses
[04:13] <shauno> as just recognise certain combinations off-hand
[04:14] <ali1234> they didn't in the one i did anyway
[04:14] <ali1234> it was basically physics lite
[04:14] <shauno> since they're all multiples of a few base values.  1.2, 3.3, 4.7, etc.   you eventually learn to just pick out the first number, and the x10 multiplier, and jobs' done
[04:15] <shauno> when I did electronics in 95-96ish, it was almost entirely digital logic
[04:15] <HazRPG> ali1234: hmm, wasn't the case at the school I was looking at before we moved away, even taught how to make your own PCB's etc
[04:16] <shauno> the gcse stuff seemed to value making a 'product' out of it over actually knowing .. anything
[04:16] <ali1234> actually the sum total of what i learned about electronics before university is: V=IR, P=IV, and you need a circuit for current to flow
[04:16] <HazRPG> shauno: gotta remember, most of primary/secondary school science is a lie anyway
[04:16] <ali1234> so basically enough to light up a lightbulb
[04:17] <HazRPG> ali1234: wow seriously?
[04:17] <shauno> eg, if you stuck a switch, a latch, and a buzzer together, but dressed it up as a burglar alarm, that's perfectly valid gcse coursework
[04:17] <HazRPG> that sucks
[04:17] <ali1234> shauno: i know right? i did exactly that
[04:18] <ali1234> i dressed it up as "computer theft alarm" though
[04:18] <HazRPG> ali1234, shauno: I did that in primary school >_<
[04:18] <ali1234> actually, *everyone* in the whole class did some kind of alarm system
[04:18] <shauno> I think one of my friends did a 'automatic headlight dimmer' as his final
[04:18] <HazRPG> wow
[04:18] <HazRPG> high tech :P
[04:19] <shauno> which is basically an ldr & a transistor.  with enough incoming light to trip the transistor, you've got a B
[04:19] <HazRPG> in primary school we also jigged together a traffic light system
[04:19] <shauno> I made a superhet because that's what I was into at the time, and got totally marked down on it because it was a pcb & a huge varicap nailed to a bit of wood
[04:21] <ali1234> my cheesy 3 component circuit got a me B
[04:21] <shauno> (huge, air spaced cap with a geared drive.  I thought that was the best thing ever for several years)
[04:21] <HazRPG> shauno: surely a superhet is more complex than a burglar alarm though (sort of)
[04:21] <shauno> sure.  but it fails pretty much every tickbox
[04:22] <HazRPG> that's harsh
[04:22] <HazRPG> am I right in thinking most if not all TV's and Radio's use to use superhets?
[04:22]  * HazRPG does a quick google to confirm 
[04:22] <shauno> I have no idea what they use now that everything's chip-based
[04:22] <shauno> but yeah, it was a shortwave radio
[04:23] <shauno> which is pretty much why it fails.  there's very little original design in the circuit itself.  the hard part was trying to get it all on a board without the 455 from the IF just bleeding all over everything
[04:24] <shauno> it didn't have a "this is the problem, this is how I want to solve it, and here's the marketable 'product'
[04:24] <shauno> so the written component of the coursework was a complete wash
[04:24] <HazRPG> ah
[04:24] <ali1234> i think we must have done exactly the same course
[04:24] <HazRPG> holy cow!
[04:24] <shauno> basically, it was me getting the school to pay for stuff I wanted to build but didn't have parts for at home
[04:25] <HazRPG> my box of chips actually has a SID in it!
[04:25] <HazRPG> I wondered what that chip was for
[04:25] <HazRPG> ...hmmmmmmmm
[04:25] <HazRPG> might have to crack open the old chip hardware boxes :D
[04:26] <HazRPG> wow, this is an original 6581 too!
[04:27] <HazRPG> it was a cadbury all-sorts chip buy I got off ebay that had these chips
[04:27] <HazRPG> had bits of everything for £5
[04:27] <shauno> I wonder if you can still buy a catweasel
[04:28] <ali1234> the sid alone is prolly worth more than the rest :)
[04:28] <HazRPG> some are too tiny for a breadboard so I never bothered with them
[04:28] <HazRPG> I've got a stack of 556's in here too
[04:29] <shauno> ah.  you can, but they're 90 quid.  nevermind that then
[04:29] <ali1234> make your own with an avr
[04:29] <ali1234> should be pretty easy with an arduino or somethng
[04:29] <HazRPG> ali1234: see I didn't even know what a 6581 was at the time, because I was just going off what the electronics/physics book had in it
[04:30] <shauno> yeah, they have a design for a sid-shield for arduino on their site
[04:30] <ali1234> is it midi?
[04:30] <ali1234> sid chips selling for £40 buy it now on ebay...
[04:31] <shauno> not midi, the stuff on arduino.cc is hardware only
[04:31] <ali1234> or 4 for £100
[04:31] <shauno> how you decide to shove numbers down it's throat is up to the reader
[04:31] <shauno> catweasel's fpga-based, which is why it's so damned expensive.  always wanted one, never got there
[04:31] <ali1234> well, is there a usb-midi firmware for arduino?
[04:32] <shauno> haven't seen it done over usb
[04:33] <ali1234> i've got one for ez-usb
[04:33] <shauno> http://arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/Midi   there's one to drive a midi jack
[04:34] <shauno> but don't think it'd drive the usb that's on the arduino, because it's an ftdi, so rs232 in sheep's clothing.  you'd need a seperate usb stack in your code, and munge them together yourself
[04:35] <shauno> there's gotta be 1001 ways to drive it tho.  it doesn't take much more than a dead budgie to impersonate a 30yo cpu
[04:35]  * HazRPG starts googling the chips he has in this pile
[04:40] <HazRPG> well apparently I have a MBA540 Tesla Oscillator
[04:40] <HazRPG> apparently used it PAL TV's
[04:42] <shauno> it's a shame http://www.creative.net.au/projects-sidavr.shtml has absolutely no documentation
[04:42] <shauno> since those avr are cheap as owt
[04:44] <shauno> here's a fun note from one project
[04:45] <shauno> Warning to all people building stuff with the SID chip: the SID´s output is very delicate. I managed to zap 3 SID chips during development by simply inserting the cable from the MonoVoice into my amp´s jack - the extremely short short circuit duting insertion can do that. So use an opamp buffer to save your SID !
[04:47] <shauno> think it's time for one last blast thru my feedreader, then off to bed
[04:48] <HazRPG> can't find anywhere what this TDA3611 chip is
[04:48] <HazRPG> its by philips
[04:49] <HazRPG> also has the numbers 33976 on a different line, and HSH9405 1 Y on another
[04:50] <HazRPG> ooo, one of these is a Dual D-type flip-flop :)
[04:51] <shauno> looking for chips always bugs me now
[04:51] <shauno> almost every site claiming to have datasheets is a lying sack of .. err
[04:52] <HazRPG> your telling me :/, was partly the reason I gave up on a lot of these a while back
[04:53] <ali1234> i suspect that is a stepper motor controller from a old floppy drive or similar
[04:54] <HazRPG> the philips?
[04:54] <ali1234> yes
[04:54] <HazRPG> from what I could dig up, it seems it could be from a hi-fi of some sort
[04:55] <ali1234> tape or record motor maybe
[04:55] <HazRPG> possibly
[04:56] <shauno> blah.  feedreader was a washout
[04:56] <ali1234> http://www.elemar.pl/pdf/TDA3611.pdf
[04:56] <shauno> I can't wait until charlie sheen has had his 15 minutes and removes himself from my internets.
[04:56] <ali1234> it's for cassette tape motor control
[04:59] <shauno> HazRPG: if you can find any more than have 4 digits 65xx, get excited.  if not, get yourself to google and figure out how to best use that sid :)
[04:59] <ali1234> i have a small box of 6502, 6508, 6551, 6552
[04:59] <ali1234> not very interestng without an eeprom burner though
[05:00] <shauno> goat claims to be compatible with hardsid and catweasel.  if you can find a cheap way to impersonate either of those, could have some real fun :D
[05:00] <HazRPG> ali1234: nice find
[05:00] <HazRPG> shauno: hmm...
[05:01] <shauno> (pretty convinced catweasel could be £5-10 instead of £90 if it didn't need the fpga for floppy emulation)
[05:01] <HazRPG> shauno: hmm, how do you mean?
[05:02] <shauno> well using either of those two, you'd have goat sending the commands down the wire to the sid, instead of synthesising a sid internally
[05:03] <shauno> I think hardsid is usb, and catweasel is pci
[05:03] <HazRPG> shauno: you mean construct something I can plug into the computer and get myself a pure (hard) SID?
[05:04] <shauno> yes
[05:04] <HazRPG> interesting
[05:04] <shauno> you could drive it with a £2 microcontroller, but if you can emulate something that's already supported by goat, you've got the software side already sat infront of you
[05:05] <MartijnVdS> http://www.kryoflux.com/
[05:05] <MartijnVdS> if you want to read floppies :)
[05:05] <shauno> heh, he's trying to drive a sid chip :)
[05:06] <ali1234> i bet my ez-usb synth could drive it easily
[05:06] <shauno> I only mention the catweasel because I know it has an unpopulated socket on the board to carry a sid, and is old enough that it's surprisingly widely supported
[05:06] <HazRPG> I already have several floppy drives :P
[05:08] <HazRPG> ah wait that's interesting
[05:08] <HazRPG> sold out though apparently
[05:08] <shauno> I keep meaning to pick up some of those TI launchpad boards 'n start futzing with microcontrollers again
[05:09] <shauno> (purely because £2.50 for a dev board is insane, so I'm nosey)
[05:10] <HazRPG> that just looks like gibberish to me lol
[05:11] <HazRPG> care to explain for the non-informed such as myself please :)
[05:11] <shauno> texas instruments; have a bunch of cheap-as-dirt microcontroller kits
[05:11] <ali1234> £2.50???
[05:11] <shauno> $4.30 usd
[05:11] <shauno> so round about there, yeah
[05:12] <ali1234> is it a proper USB solution?
[05:12] <shauno> I actually have no idea :)
[05:12] <shauno> http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/MSP430_LaunchPad_%28MSP-EXP430G2%29?DCMP
[05:13] <ali1234> looks like it has sme crazy silicon on the board
[05:13] <shauno> it's almost entirely unrelated to trying to drive a sid, just something I keep meaning to pick up
[05:13] <ali1234> 2kB Flash, 128B RAM, 10 GPIO, 1x 16-bit timer, WDT, BOR, 1x USI (I2C/SPI), 8ch 10-bit ADC
[05:13] <ali1234> lol that sucks
[05:13] <ali1234> get an avr instead
[05:13] <shauno> it's also £2.50 :)
[05:14] <ali1234> same price range as AVRs
[05:14] <ali1234> except AVR has tinyusb
[05:14] <ali1234> and usb reprogramming
[05:14] <ali1234> in circuit :)
[05:15] <ali1234> http://www.circuitlake.com/avr-project-i2c-tiny-usb.html
[05:16] <ali1234> here's the real link: http://www.harbaum.org/till/i2c_tiny_usb/index.shtml
[05:17] <HazRPG> why are SID's so expensive?
[05:17] <ali1234> because everyone loves them
[05:18] <HazRPG> so it's the nostalgia price tag not the actual cost to make them?
[05:18] <ali1234> they don't make them any more
[05:19] <HazRPG> ali1234: one company must be...
[05:19] <HazRPG> http://www.hardsid.com
[05:19] <ali1234> they buy up old c64 and rip them out
[05:19] <HazRPG> ah
[05:19] <ali1234> the cost of the hardsid is the sid chips
[05:19] <ali1234> and the software and design
[05:20] <ali1234> it's probably just an AVR inside
[05:20] <HazRPG> heh
[05:21] <shauno> http://www.forskningsavd.se/wiki/index.php/SIDblaster
[05:21]  * HazRPG grumbles
[05:21] <shauno> an open clone of the hardsid
[05:21] <HazRPG> according to that site the drivers are for XP/Vista/Win7
[05:22] <ali1234> pic16f86
[05:22] <HazRPG> the hardsid site I mean
[05:22] <ali1234> components for that circuit should not run more than about £5
[05:23] <ali1234> they use a yucky ftdi chip too
[05:23] <shauno> http://www.forskningsavd.se/wiki/index.php/File:Sidblasterpsmt.jpg   that'd be pretty hot.  it'd make the whole thing about the size of a slightly overweight usb key
[05:24] <HazRPG> ali1234: the SIDblaster? Does that mean its not a good alternative?
[05:24] <shauno> (for size reference, the sid sits in the rows nearest the edge, so those are 0.1" pitch)
[05:24] <ali1234> well it doesn't include an op amp to protect the sid
[05:25] <ali1234> but it's just interface glue
[05:25] <ali1234> there's no reason it should cost more than a few quid if you build it yourself
[05:31] <HazRPG> ah crud, I knew it couldn't have been that much of a bargain for a proper SID chip: http://kevtris.org/Projects/sid/remarked_sids.html
[05:31] <HazRPG> the one I've got is similar to the pictured 4 on the top of the page
[05:32] <ali1234> still a sid apparently though
[05:32] <ali1234> not just some random IC with same dimensions
[05:35] <HazRPG> indeed
[05:35] <HazRPG> I'm checking the MP3's
[05:36] <HazRPG> wow, it really does make a difference
[05:38] <HazRPG> youch! one sounds terrible!
[05:39] <HazRPG> really does make a difference whether it can filter them or not
[05:42] <HazRPG> think it would be possible to make a SID from scratch, exactly like how the originals were made
[05:42] <ali1234> of course
[05:42] <HazRPG> I should really read that SIDblaster page properly
[05:43] <ali1234> you could run the digital part inside any microcontroller
[05:43] <HazRPG> ali1234: if you just used breadboard parts, etc, would it be considerably big?
[05:43] <ali1234> then you just have to replicate the analogue stuff
[05:43] <ali1234> nah, wouldn't be that big
[05:44] <HazRPG> I feel thick right now, too much info about one thing too fast, so does a SID actually have both analogue and digital parts (or at least manage both)?
[05:44]  * HazRPG realises this is a stupid question
[05:44] <ali1234> yes
[05:45] <HazRPG> oh, so I'm not 100% stupid then xD
[05:45] <ali1234> the filters which are blown in those fake sid are analogue
[05:45] <HazRPG> ahhh
[05:45] <ali1234> http://www.swinkels.tvtom.pl/swinsid/
[05:45] <ali1234> it sounds different though, it's not intended to be an exact copy
[05:46] <HazRPG> is that just because the schematics about the chip are just replicated, and still only available in the companies hard drives?
[05:47] <HazRPG> (the original I mean)
[05:47] <HazRPG> or why would they not produce the same 'sound'
[05:47] <ali1234> yeah, nobody really knows exactly what is inside a sid
[05:47] <HazRPG> if I'm just annoying you please do tell :)
[05:48] <HazRPG> ah
[05:48] <HazRPG> you'd think that they'd publish it by now right?
[05:48] <ali1234> "they" don't exist any more
[05:49] <HazRPG> sure, but someone must still have a copy of the schematics somewhere
[05:49] <HazRPG> although I guess it might just have been binned
[05:50] <ali1234> yeah someone still has it somewhere probably
[05:50] <HazRPG> guess the whole SID scene is just too niche a market though
[05:52] <ali1234> the swinsid isn't trying to be faithful anyway
[05:52] <HazRPG> yeah I'm just reading it now
[05:53] <HazRPG> its designed to be better, sort of
[05:53] <ali1234> it's just pin compatible
[06:02] <HazRPG> ah!
[06:02] <HazRPG> they apparently made a almost fully compatible version :)
[06:02] <HazRPG> called the SwanSID88 or Micro SwanSID
[06:02] <HazRPG> http://ilesj.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/micro-swinsid-an-avr-based-sid-replacement/
[06:03] <HazRPG> it was linked in from the swansid site you sent earlier
[06:03] <HazRPG> although its aimed towards the 8580
[06:16] <HazRPG> ali1234, shauno: if either of you are interested, apparently this mp3 basically compares the SwanSID88 with a 8510 SID http://c64.ch/swin/lightforce.mp3
[06:17] <HazRPG> left channel is the SwinSID and right is 8510 SID
[06:17] <HazRPG> I just realised I've been playing the Swin a Swan...
[06:17]  * HazRPG plugs in headphones
[08:57] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:57] <HazRPG> hi
[09:02] <HazRPG> MooDoo: how's it going?
[09:05] <MooDoo> HazRPG: not bad seeing as i'm at work
[09:05] <MooDoo> HazRPG: what about your self?
[09:06] <HazRPG> MooDoo: yeah not bad... have a sudden obsession with the c64
[09:06] <MooDoo> HazRPG: blast from the past
[09:07] <HazRPG> been trying to hunt down some SID 6581 chips for hours now
[09:07] <HazRPG> preferably under £20
[09:07] <HazRPG> but no such luck - or fakes
[09:07] <HazRPG> MooDoo: indeed
[09:08] <HazRPG> I wouldn't mind even finding a cheap c64 as-in and just finding a SID clone for a sound-card-pc-programming-type project
[09:08] <HazRPG> but most c64 for sale have the SID chip stripped out
[09:08] <HazRPG> which is pointless
[09:09] <HazRPG> if I did get hold of a c64, I'd keep it in-tact thought - too much of a waste to pull out one chip from it
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> you'd just write the sid files on the c64 :)
[09:11] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: exactly :)
[09:12] <HazRPG> but at ~$300 and possibility of a single most important chip taken out - is that much money worth nostalgia and music making as a hobby?
[09:14] <HazRPG> see what I mean: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=160546999900
[09:14] <HazRPG> that's just had ALL the chips stripped out
[09:16] <HazRPG> I currently have a spare PS3 that's had the YLOD that my friend gave me, and I've still not done anything with that
[09:17] <HazRPG> the Blu-ray drive appears to use an IDE ribbon cable, with 2-4 extra cables (so custom IDE ribbon) apparently for the eject and power buttons ... keep meaning to work on it to see if I can get it to work on a PC
[09:17] <HazRPG> I'll shush now xD
[10:01] <HazRPG> holy cow! I just found one on ebay which ends in 16mins
[10:01] <HazRPG> 2 of them! both working!
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: Sniper! Sniper! :P
[10:01] <HazRPG> £20 p&p
[10:01] <HazRPG> £16 current bid price!
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> those ridiculous p&ps are a violation of Ebay ToS
[10:02] <HazRPG> I doubt that's ridiculous
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> (ebay takes a percentage of each sale, excluding p&p)
[10:02] <HazRPG> it is 2 c64's and floppy drive, power brick, 6 games, etc
[10:02] <HazRPG> that would be heavy to send
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> hm, agreed
[10:03] <HazRPG> anyone want one?
[10:03] <HazRPG> looks like I'll be winning it :D
[10:05] <HazRPG> I must be insane >_<
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[10:05] <HazRPG> me being insane?
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> maybe :)
[10:06] <HazRPG> I lost it years ago xD
[10:06] <HazRPG> well seems someone had a bid on for about ~£17, so I'm sat at £18.05
[10:07] <HazRPG> definitely nuts xD
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> *reload* *reload*
[10:07] <HazRPG> indeed!
[10:07] <popey> Morning all
[10:07] <HazRPG> 10mins left
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> popeyman, g'morning
[10:07] <HazRPG> popey: morning, haz being insane *waves*
[10:07] <HazRPG> *reloads*
[10:07] <AlanBell> morning all
[10:07] <HazRPG> morning AlanBell
[10:08] <MooDoo> morning AlanBell
[10:08] <MooDoo> morning popey
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> Ah, it's Alan Hour? :P
[10:08] <popey> is that like Ubuntu Hour?
[10:08] <HazRPG> seems that way
[10:08] <AlanBell> it is always Alan O'clock in here
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> popey: except with Alans
[10:08] <HazRPG> would be odd if ali1234 suddenly came on too
[10:09] <popey> hmmm
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> popey: some people might say it's more like happy hour 8-)
[10:09] <popey> I wonder how many Alans there will be at the beerex
[10:09] <AlanBell> ali1234 is an Alastair
[10:09] <HazRPG> a few? *he says reloading again*
[10:09] <HazRPG> AlanBell: oh...
[10:10] <HazRPG> don't know why I thought he was called Alan too :/
[10:10] <AlanBell> there is an Alan Cocks who is on the mailing list and comes to various events
[10:10] <HazRPG> 7m left, shaking like a leaf here!
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: dude. calm down :)
[10:11] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I'll try...
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: deep breaths during reloads :)
[10:11] <HazRPG> haha
[10:11]  * HazRPG takes one deep breath
[10:12]  * HazRPG breathes out
[10:13] <MooDoo> keep it to yourself HazRPG :)
[10:13] <HazRPG> MooDoo: heh, I was just finishing it, since otherwise it'd look like I just held my breath and didn't breathe out again
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: wow, with original tape thingy
[10:15] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: guessing you see what I'm looking at?
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: isn't hard to find tbh :)
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: I won't overbid you, don't worry
[10:15] <popey> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Commodore-64-x2-plus-extras-No-Reserve-/250780416380
[10:15] <popey> ?
[10:15] <HazRPG> considering it's the only one amongst games and other extras...
[10:15] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: also, "sort by time ending (soonest first)
[10:16] <HazRPG> also, someone outbid me >_<
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: outbid them!
[10:16] <HazRPG> done
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> yay snipers
[10:17] <popey> 30 seconds!
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> you just outbid yourself...
[10:17] <popey> is that a konix speed king?
[10:17] <KrimZon> I almost bid myself
[10:17] <popey> ditto
[10:17] <HazRPG> hurrah!
[10:17] <popey> :)
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: A Winrar is You!\
[10:18] <KrimZon> can't restist the lure of computers from the 80s
[10:18] <HazRPG> indeed :D
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> http://www.chaobell.net/newgallery/d/517-1/winrar.jpg
[10:18] <HazRPG> wow, its been ages since I used ebay... where's the pay button :S!?
[10:18] <popey> in the email :)
[10:18] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: \o/
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you wait for the seller to contact you, usually
[10:19] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I use to think sellers find that annoying, I use to just pay straight off the bat
[10:19] <HazRPG> I actually found that from here: http://www.chipretro.com
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: sometimes shipping might be slightly more/less than indicated
[10:20] <HazRPG> not from ebay, I searched ebay for hours with no luck until I found that site
[10:20] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: good point
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> ("Oh you live next door.. I could drop it off" -> 0 shipping \o/)
[10:22] <HazRPG> shame this wasn't 2 weeks ago, I could have just picked it up whilst I was there
[10:23] <HazRPG> I almost bought this originally: http://preview.tinyurl.com/5syvye4
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> you bought tinyurl? :P
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> I need to revive my dad's old Superbrain
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intertec_Superbrain
[10:24] <HazRPG> but realised it was a c64c - I'd rather have the original SID then the SID found in the 128
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: ^ check out that link :)
[10:25] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: haha, aces!
[10:25] <HazRPG> almost on par to the MZ-700 I have (except with built-in screen)
[10:34] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: what could you do with it?
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: not a lot :)
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: it runs 8080 ASM, MS-Basic and MS-Cobol
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: so you could write programs on it
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> it comes with "sort" written in 8080 asm in the manual :)
[10:38] <HazRPG> 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD"; 20 GOTO 10; RUN
[10:38] <HazRPG> springs to mind
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> that's basic
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> not asm
[10:39] <HazRPG> you said MS-Basic above though
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> yes, but basic programs are interpreted (= slower, less mem available)
[10:39] <HazRPG> oh yeah, I know :)
[10:40] <HazRPG> errr...
[10:41] <HazRPG> 0100 mov ax, <some numbers for character here?>
[10:41] <HazRPG> something like that
[10:41] <AlanBell> was it the C64 that had games on read only cartridges?
[10:41] <HazRPG> AlanBell: c64 had both
[10:41] <HazRPG> AlanBell: had a floppy drive too
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> tapes, floppies, cartridges
[10:41] <HazRPG> and tapes...
[10:41] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: well spotted
[10:42] <AlanBell> I had some friends with C64 and they just used them like a console, never did anything computerish with them at all
[10:42] <HazRPG> AlanBell: commercial cartridges were read-only
[10:44] <HazRPG> AlanBell: I plan to use mine fully :)
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: all 64k of it?
[10:45] <HazRPG> might still try and make my own SID too, ali1234 mentioned you could make them for ~£5 based on the schematics shauno found
[10:46] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ooooohh yeah!
[10:46] <HazRPG> I missed out on the demoscene, soooo... might give it a shot, how hard could it be right?
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> very
[10:47] <HazRPG> might have been back then, the internet is a wonderful tool for learning though ;)
[10:47] <HazRPG> I made my first C++ program thanks to the internet, and later refined it with books + uni
[10:54] <daubers> daftykins: Apple go through phases of having servers and not having servers
[10:54] <HazRPG> they do
[10:54] <daubers> daftykins: and IT not having anything to do with Macs is standard in 99% of the institutions we've been into
[10:59] <MartijnVdS> especially Apple servers
[11:02]  * HazRPG nods
[11:03] <daubers> Just shows that most IT departments are stuffed with people who don't really care that much really. It's not "What do people need to do their job" it's "What can we give people so we don't have to think"
[11:03] <daubers> There are exceptions of course
[11:13] <jonsaint> hi all. can anyone tell me how to extract a rar file?
[11:14] <HazRPG> aww, just realised this hasn't got the good ol' floppy with it :(
[11:14] <HazRPG> still a bargain :)
[11:14] <daubers> jonsaint: unrar
[11:14] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: you reckon I should just wait for the seller to contact me with shipping stuff?
[11:14] <jonsaint> is that a programme?
[11:15] <andylockran> Fatal error: Cannot redeclare class HordeActiveSyncBaseTables in /usr/share/php/data/Horde_ActiveSync/migration/1_horde_activesync_base_tables.php on line 63
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: you could send a message asking him about it
[11:15] <HazRPG> jonsaint: in ubuntu? it's a module for the built-in Archive Roller (extraction) application
[11:15] <andylockran> howdy
[11:15] <andylockran> that was an accident
[11:15] <andylockran> apologies
[11:16] <jonsaint> cheers il try that. thanks all
[11:16] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: sorry, I confused myself there... for shipping? Or for floppy drive?
[11:16] <HazRPG> andylockran: howdy dude
[11:17] <andylockran> HazRPG: all good?
[11:17] <HazRPG> andylockran: indeed, yourself?
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: yes
[11:19] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I have a feeling he might pump the price up (if that's even possible)
[11:21] <jonsaint> hi all (again). got the free rar extractor programme but i can see the programme but i cant seem to 'extract' it. any ideas?
[11:22] <andylockran> HazRPG: in pain :)
[11:23] <andylockran> Made a stonking tackle playing rugby yesterday
[11:23] <KrisWillis> jonsaint: unrar x /path/to/file.rar
[11:23] <KrisWillis> jonsaint: Or right-click -> extract
[11:23] <andylockran> and unfortunately ended up with a successful tackle (put the bloke in touch) - but also knocked myself out.
[11:23] <andylockran> which wasn't too clever.. so this morning I'm pretty sore.
[11:23] <HazRPG> andylockran: ouch dude
[11:24] <jonsaint> tried to extract but when i check the folder its extracted to, nothing is there
[11:26] <cbx333> hey all
[11:26] <andylockran> HazRPG: I enjoyed it at least: p
[11:27] <HazRPG> andylockran: that's the main thing :D
[11:27] <HazRPG> jonsaint: hmm, what happens when you double-click on it? Could be possibly password protected
[11:27] <HazRPG> or could possibly be a corrupt file
[11:27] <jonsaint> dunno, il try it
[11:28] <jonsaint> when i righ click and 'extract' the bar goes across and it tells me its done then i got a choice of open, view file or close but when i click view file, nothing is there. ive tried it on a few rar files and all the same
[11:29] <cbx333> jonsaint, does doing it on the command line yield anything?
[11:29] <HazRPG> jonsaint: which package did you download?
[11:29] <cbx333> HazRPG, do you think it makes sense to keep the after hours sections mid flow with the rest of the book?  to try to get people to read it....or I did also consider putting them all at the end
[11:30] <jonsaint> its a game for my sons ds
[11:30] <cbx333> so people don't have to wade throug ha few pages to get to the next chapter
[11:30] <jonsaint> cbx333, i dont know how to use comm line, im fairly new to ubuntu
[11:30] <HazRPG> cbx333: hmm..
[11:30] <cbx333> jonsaint, ahh ok
[11:30] <HazRPG> cbx333: depends how long your planning on writing the after hours section
[11:30] <cbx333> yeh
[11:31] <cbx333> well the first one is 1800 words :)
[11:31] <cbx333> but i suspect the others to be shorter
[11:32] <HazRPG> if they're merely short paragraphs and an exercise, you could put them mid flow, but if they're long(ish), might be best saying "see after hours section x, y" or something and just have them at the end
[11:32] <jonsaint> i really dont fancy going back to that other o/s because i cant get rar to work. i just got used to this o/s and its one i like. :-(
[11:33] <HazRPG> jonsaint: I have 7zip installed (in Ubuntu Software Centre), and that handles the rar files
[11:33] <HazRPG> jonsaint: might be worth uninstalling RAR and installing 7zip
[11:33] <jonsaint> i got 7zip but i cant seem to find it lol
[11:33] <HazRPG> if you search for 7zip, you'll see both listed (it'll save the extra typing and clicking ;))
[11:34] <HazRPG> jonsaint: ok, do this... place the rar onto the destkop, open up terminal (Applications->Accessories->Terminal)
[11:35] <jonsaint> ok 1 sec haz
[11:35] <jonsaint> ok. got terminal
[11:35] <HazRPG> jonsaint: type in: unrar x ~/Desktop/filename.rar
[11:35] <HazRPG> change only filename.rar
[11:36] <HazRPG> to whatever its called
[11:36] <jonsaint> it says i need unrar
[11:37] <HazRPG> I'm guessing you installed rar
[11:37] <jonsaint> i have now installed unrar
[11:37] <HazRPG> just now?
[11:38] <jonsaint> yes. let me try again
[11:38] <HazRPG> cool
[11:38] <HazRPG> jonsaint: any joy?
[11:38] <jonsaint> hazrpg, what does it mean by 'x' ~/??
[11:38] <HazRPG> x = extract command
[11:39] <HazRPG> ~/ means "your home directory"
[11:39] <cbx333> HazRPG, they were goign to be at the end of the "week" anyway
[11:39] <jonsaint> unrar: invalid archive 'x': Bad address
[11:39] <cbx333> but i was thinking baout putting them all at the end of the book
[11:39] <HazRPG> basically ~/ is the same as typing /home/<your-username>
[11:39] <cbx333> what does file ~/Desktop/filename.rar show
[11:40] <cbx333> what does "file ~/Desktop/filename.rar" show
[11:40] <cbx333> don't put the quotes obviously :)
[11:40] <jonsaint> no such file or directory
[11:40] <HazRPG> btw, when you do unrar you don't type in sudo
[11:40] <cbx333> where filename.rar is the name of the file on your desktop
[11:40] <HazRPG> jonsaint: did you move the file to the desktop?
[11:41] <HazRPG> jonsaint: actually wait a sec
[11:41] <HazRPG> leave terminal open
[11:41] <HazRPG> you said you installed unrar
[11:41] <jonsaint> yes i did. i did a click drag
[11:41] <cbx333> sorry - hopped in half way :)
[11:41] <jonsaint> yes
[11:41] <HazRPG> try the right-click
[11:41] <HazRPG> since you've now got unrar, it should just work :)
[11:42] <jonsaint> i tried right clicking it hazrpg and clicked extract. i choose the folder and clicked extract. i saw the bar go up and it said it was done but when i went to the folder, it was empty
[11:42] <HazRPG> jonsaint: sorry, my bad
[11:42] <HazRPG> jonsaint: erm, okay
[11:43] <HazRPG> Ubuntu Software Manager -> search for "Archive Manager"
[11:43] <HazRPG> but without quotes
[11:43] <jonsaint> it says its already installed
[11:43] <HazRPG> click more info
[11:43] <HazRPG> you'll see a list of add-ons
[11:43] <HazRPG> might have to scroll down to see that list
[11:44] <HazRPG> have a look and see if "Non-free rar module for p7zip (p7zip-rar)" is ticked - if not tick it and apply
[11:44] <jonsaint> i cant see nothing about add ons, all it tells me about is what it does
[11:45] <HazRPG> might also be worth grabbing "ACE" and "Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)" as well since these are most common files on the internet too
[11:45] <HazRPG> jonsaint: what version of ubuntu you rolling with?
[11:45] <jonsaint> the latest one
[11:46] <HazRPG> hmm, should show a list of addons
[11:46] <HazRPG> that's strange
[11:46] <HazRPG> alright, back to terminal (was trying to get the easier way first)
[11:46] <jonsaint> i got archive manager on the top which is ticked, when i click 'info' it tells me about the product and thats all it says
[11:46] <andylockran> just cleared out 250GB of error logs from our development server ;)
[11:47] <HazRPG> type in: sudo apt-get install p7zip-rar unrar unace lzma
[11:48] <HazRPG> jonsaint: yeah it should show a list of addons under that, but try that command above
[11:48] <HazRPG> and see if the right-click will let you extract it
[11:48] <jonsaint> ok. did that. a boat load of stuff came up
[11:49] <HazRPG> jonsaint: yeah, its because its installing 4 addons (for common internet archive files)
[11:50] <jonsaint> it worked!
[11:50] <HazRPG> jonsaint: sorted ;)
[11:50] <cbx333> sweet
[11:50] <HazRPG> jonsaint: ok one last thing I want ya to check
[11:50] <jonsaint> i just clicked extract and its finally gone into the folder!
[11:50] <HazRPG> jonsaint: because it should have shown a list of addons
[11:50] <HazRPG> unless your not fussed about it
[11:50] <jonsaint> ok, what do i need to do
[11:51] <HazRPG> System -> Administrator -> Update Manager
[11:52] <HazRPG> then click settings
[11:52] <HazRPG> will ask for password
[11:52] <HazRPG> and then click on Ubuntu Software tab
[11:52] <HazRPG> what have you got ticked there?
[11:53] <jonsaint> just the 2 top ones and check for updates daily
[11:53] <HazRPG> jonsaint: wrong tab
[11:53] <HazRPG> click the "Ubuntu Software" tab
[11:54] <jonsaint> all ticked apart from 'source code'
[11:54] <HazRPG> Other software tab?
[11:54] <jonsaint> none
[11:55] <HazRPG> should have Canonical Partners and Canonical Partners (Source Code) ticked
[11:55] <HazRPG> and if you want the Independent and Independent (source code) <== these are optional, but does add a few more apps in your list
[11:56] <jonsaint> so i tick those with the http:// ??
[11:56] <HazRPG> how many have you got in there?
[11:57] <HazRPG> you'll only need "Canonical Partners", "Canonical Partners (Source Code)", "Independent", "Independent (Source Code)"
[11:58] <jonsaint> 5 in total. cd with ubuntu 9.10, unsupported updates, unsupported updates (source code) and those iother 2 with the http:// bit
[11:59] <HazRPG> hang on
[11:59] <brobostigon> http://paste.ubuntu.com/576420/ ound another bug in natty, as it causes graphics to freeze on my eeepc and a massive screen wide graphical artifact.
[12:00] <HazRPG> brobostigon: do you ever use the Ubuntu Software Centre?
[12:00] <brobostigon> HazRPG: no,
[12:01] <HazRPG> jonsaint: do the ones with http say something like "http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu maverick partner"
[12:02] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ah never mind, its just jon doesn't seem to have the "addons" section under each software info for some reason
[12:02] <brobostigon> HazRPG: no idea, sorry, oh, ok.
[12:03] <jonsaint> hazrpg, it is simlar, but mine says ubuntu karmic
[12:03] <HazRPG> jonsaint: ah did you do an upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10?
[12:04] <jonsaint> how do i find out what version im on now
[12:04] <HazRPG> system -> about ubuntu (might take a while to load)
[12:04] <jonsaint> mine says im using 10.04
[12:04] <HazRPG> that's the easiest way without terminal
[12:04] <brobostigon> lsb_realease -a
[12:04] <brobostigon> lsb_release -a
[12:05] <HazRPG> brobostigon: its lsb_release -a
[12:05] <HazRPG> oh
[12:05] <HazRPG> nvm
[12:05] <HazRPG> you already corrected
[12:06] <HazRPG> jonsaint: hmm, the addons might not be in 10.04 then
[12:06] <HazRPG> which kinda sucks
[12:06]  * brobostigon goes to chatwith the guys over in #ubuntu+1 for some bug fixin,
[12:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Game of no thrones - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/03/06/game-of-no-thrones
[12:08] <HazRPG> jonsaint: yeah, seems the addon section isn't in yet - sorry I wasted your time :(
[12:08] <HazRPG> for 10.04 I mean
[12:08] <jonsaint> its ok hazrpg
[12:08] <jonsaint> by the way, how the hell do you get the chat up in red?
[12:08] <HazRPG> jonsaint: but, glad we got the unrar working :)
[12:09] <HazRPG> oh, you mean when we type your name?
[12:09] <jonsaint> yes
[12:09] <HazRPG> you have to make sure you type the name exactly the same was as they've spelled it (with caps and lower)
[12:09] <HazRPG> best way is to start typing their name, and hit tab
[12:09] <HazRPG> it should auto complete their name
[12:09] <jonsaint> HazRPG,  like this
[12:10] <HazRPG> if there are several people with similar characters as what you typed, add another letter in and try tab again :)
[12:10] <jonsaint> did that work then?
[12:10] <HazRPG> jonsaint: its great for grabbing attention of the person you want to talk to, specially when your helping someone (lets them know you've replied)
[12:10] <HazRPG> jonsaint: it did :)
[12:11] <jonsaint> thanks hazrpg. slowly but surely im getting used to ubuntu :-)
[12:11] <HazRPG> did you try the tab method?
[12:11] <jonsaint> yes. thats how i got your name up. a brilliant idea!
[12:11] <HazRPG> it is, isn't it :D
[12:11] <HazRPG> and no problem, ubuntu's easy when you know what your doing (much like anything really)
[12:11] <jonsaint> this 10.04, is that the latest one i got then
[12:12] <HazRPG> 10.04 is the latest Long Term Support version
[12:12] <HazRPG> or LTS for short
[12:12] <HazRPG> it'll be the one that gets service packs for the next 4 years I think it is
[12:13] <HazRPG> although ubuntu calls them just regular updates (or partial upgrades)
[12:13] <jonsaint> ah ok. just curious thats all because normally i see something in the updates about when a new one comes out and wasnt sure if i had the latest one
[12:13] <HazRPG> jonsaint: 10.10 is the latest version
[12:13] <HazRPG> I don't think 10.04 will let you know about 10.10 though
[12:13] <HazRPG> unless you tell it to
[12:13] <jonsaint> is that the stable one?
[12:14] <HazRPG> both 10.10 and 10.04 are stable
[12:14] <HazRPG> 10.04 will just get supported longer)
[12:14] <jonsaint> so where do i find this 10.10? and will it just update or do i need fresh install?
[12:14] <HazRPG> people with 10.10 will soon have to update to 11.04 when it comes out in april
[12:15] <HazRPG> jonsaint: have you just recently installed it?
[12:15] <jonsaint> installed which?
[12:15] <HazRPG> ubuntu I mean, have you just recently installed ubuntu?
[12:16] <jonsaint> HazRPG, a few months now, i got 9 on cd so i installed that and then updated to 10.04
[12:17] <HazRPG> jonsaint: oh, and to answer you question, you'll have to set it to grab the "normal releases" as an update option
[12:17] <HazRPG> instead of "Long term support releases only"
[12:18] <jonsaint> just trying that now
[12:18] <jonsaint> yes i can see it now
[12:18] <HazRPG> if you prefer having the latest and greatest, then I'll show you how you can set it to update and go through that with you, but if you don't mind it the way it is, then that's fine - your call
[12:19] <jonsaint> yeah! if its suitable for novices like me, il take anything lol
[12:19] <brobostigon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/730099    natty bug number 3 filed.
[12:19] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu bug 730099 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[i915gm] GPU lockup 0c40b170 (ESR: 0x00000001 IPEHR: 0x02000011)" [Undecided,New]
[12:19] <HazRPG> obviously like any upgrade you do fall risk to data loss (or stuff not working) - this isn't to scare you, its just what can happen (even on windows)
[12:19] <brobostigon> backup, and test first from a live media.
[12:19] <jonsaint> willing to take the risk hazrpg if it keeps the system up to date
[12:20] <HazRPG> but since you've upgrade from 9 to 10.04 just fine, it should be ok
[12:20] <brobostigon> jonsaint: i would recommed a thourough upgrade,before you do,
[12:20] <HazRPG> jonsaint: as brobostigon mentioned, you could test from a LiveCD of 10.10 to see if it'll work first - also backup if needs be
[12:21] <HazRPG> again, its not to scare you... its just these things can happen
[12:21] <jonsaint> so its recommended i download 10.10 and burn to cd rather than upgrade?
[12:21] <brobostigon> always do a backup, if there is even a small risk of loosing something importent.
[12:22] <HazRPG> jonsaint: no, you can upgrade from the CD too though
[12:22] <brobostigon> jonsaint: because then you cantest to see if it works properly onyour hw or not.
[12:22] <jonsaint> il do the upgrade now, all my important stuff is backed on a second drive
[12:22] <brobostigon> HazRPG: you can only do that with the alternate cd, as that contains proper .deb files.
[12:23] <HazRPG> brobostigon: ah, see I keep forgetting I only ever download the alt cd
[12:23] <brobostigon> HazRPG: iprefer the alternate cd aswell.myself.
[12:23] <jonsaint> right, im outta here. going to try the update. if im not back in a few hours, send the search party lol
[12:23] <HazRPG> jonsaint: sure no problem :)
[12:23] <jonsaint> see ya
[12:24] <HazRPG> hope ya do come back :)
[12:24] <jonsaint> so do i!
[12:24] <HazRPG> jonsaint: good luck, and enjoy :)
[12:24] <jonsaint> thanks. bye.
[12:24] <HazRPG> also, send you lad's game to his device first before ya do ;)
[12:24] <jonsaint> i will do
[12:25] <HazRPG> brobostigon: seems he already had his mind set on grabbing it ^^
[12:25] <brobostigon> HazRPG: maybe, yes.
[12:26] <brobostigon> ok,brb,need some lunch and coffee
[12:26] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I always make sure to warn people though, since I fell for the problem of upgrading and losing data once before
[12:26] <brobostigon> HazRPG: same here, and many other assorted errors, and problems.
[12:26] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I thought at the time "its linux, it'll be perfectly fine! Bound to be better than windows"
[12:26] <brobostigon> HazRPG: still need toplaysafe though,
[12:26] <HazRPG> back in the old 6.06 days
[12:27] <HazRPG> brobostigon: this is true
[12:27] <HazRPG> backing up, etc always a good idea in general
[12:27] <brobostigon> ok,brb, lunchings and coffee.
[12:27] <HazRPG> no problem, enjoy
[12:57] <scoundrel50> I have a bit of a problem, it was I had a load of stuff appear in the terminal when updating, so I posted to the e-mail group, and was advised to delete /var/lub/status/ which i did. I was then told to run sudo apt-get update and it would be fixed. Rab that, then went to look in the Update Manager to find that it has about 140 updates. Tried to run it and got this error. nstallArchives() failed: warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' ne
[12:57] <scoundrel50> ar line 46354 package 'virtualbox-3.0':
[12:57] <scoundrel50> error in Version string '3.0.14-58977_Ubuntu_karmic': invalid character in revision number
[12:57] <scoundrel50> warning, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 48216 package 'virtualbox-2.2':
[12:57] <scoundrel50>  error in Version string '2.2.4-47978_Ubuntu_jaunty': invalid character in revision number
[12:57] <scoundrel50> ho do I get rid of the error, so i can update again. As it is I cant update anymore.
[12:58] <scoundrel50> /var/lib/dpkg/status, sorry
[12:58] <scoundrel50> can somebody please help?
[13:06]  * AlanBell reads the emails
[13:17] <bigcalm> What a beautiful sunny day :)
[13:17] <bigcalm> Horay for seasons
[13:17] <brobostigon> kinda cloudy here,but partially sunny.
[13:18] <HazRPG> sunny here
[13:18] <bigcalm> Oh it's be overcast if not for the small gaps.
[13:19]  * brobostigon thinks he might give the pub  visit, and sit in the sun.
[14:09]  * AlanBell points out an informal quiz that is happening in #ubuntu-trivia
[14:10] <issyl0> AlanBell: oh :-)
[14:11] <AlanBell> take on the trivia powers of popey and Pendulum
[15:35]  * MartijnVdS just finished his first 20km run
[15:35]  * AlanBell has past brobostigon in #ubuntu-trivia
[15:35] <AlanBell> welcome back czajkowski
[15:37] <czajkowski> thanks
[15:40]  * MooDoo hugs czajkowski i missed you :)
[15:41] <czajkowski> lol
[15:41] <MooDoo> czajkowski: no need to laugh, was being nice for a change....POKE!!
[15:41] <HazRPG> czajkowski: welcome back :)
[15:41]  * HazRPG waves to czajkowski
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> \o cz<tab>
[16:12] <bigcalm> That was fun, if distracting
[16:12] <AlanBell> http://ryanak.ca/trivia.html
[16:13] <AlanBell> I *will* get into that top 10
[16:15] <MartijnVdS>  A challenge! :)
[16:16] <bigcalm> Exporting a wordpress.com site into a client hosted wordpress.org instance is proving tricky
[16:16] <bigcalm> It would seem that images can be resized on the fly with ?w=300 for instance. But not sure how to replicate this in the new site
[16:19] <bigcalm> http://wordpress.org/support/topic/on-the-fly-image-resize-based-on-addressquerystring # this problem, but still no closer to an answer
[16:20] <AlanBell> bigcalm: I would think there is a plugin somewhere to do that
[16:20] <AlanBell> but yeah, I had noticed that wordpress.com has some interesting features I hadn't seen before
[16:30] <Azelphur> haha, has anyone noticed youtube has nudity on the front page atm?
[16:30] <Azelphur> At least it does for me :p
[16:33] <penguin42> Azelphur: It doesn't for me at the moment, but I suspect I know the one you mean - one of the right hand box ads made me double take yesterday
[16:33] <Azelphur> haha yea probably
[16:34] <Azelphur> NSFW screenshot, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/March%202010/2011-03-06-163349_1908x1167_scrot.png
[16:35] <Azelphur> Wonder why they are allowing that
[16:36] <popey> dude
[16:37] <HazRPG> dude!
[16:37] <speedxco1e> Hi all, I got this problem, with verbosity and fsck at boot time. My system is either checking a large (very quite) sata disk, or it's frozen.
[16:37] <Azelphur> ?
[16:37] <HazRPG> man I can't wait for my c64's to arrive xD!
[16:37] <speedxco1e> I need to find out what fsck is doing at boot time.
[16:37] <HazRPG> found out one of my friends owns a c64 and I never knew!
[16:37] <mgdm> HazRPG: you've got real ones on the way?
[16:38] <HazRPG> mgdm: yup :D
[16:38] <HazRPG> mgdm: sniped from ebay :)
[16:38] <mgdm> I have 3 at home
[16:38] <mgdm> I should dig one or more out
[16:38] <HazRPG> mgdm: no way!
[16:38] <HazRPG> :D
[16:38] <HazRPG> mgdm: what accessories do you have for it?
[16:39] <mgdm> 1541, datasettes, some joysticks
[16:39] <HazRPG> nice :)
[16:39] <HazRPG> it uses the old game port doesn't it?
[16:40]  * HazRPG should have some extra joysticks at home that he had for his atari somewhere
[16:41] <HazRPG> mgdm: managed to get 2 c64's for £40 :)
[16:41] <HazRPG> profit!
[16:41] <popey> HazRPG: the old 9 pin joystick connector, yeah
[16:41] <HazRPG> popey: :)
[16:41] <popey> i used to have a konix speed king thats in the auction you won
[16:41] <HazRPG> see I had some regular atari ones, but when one of them broke I bought a fair of flight-sim styled ones
[16:42] <HazRPG> with rubber suctions at the bottom
[16:42] <mgdm> HazRPG: nice - and aye, 9-pin D-subs, Megadrive controllers work on it
[16:42] <HazRPG> popey: the konix does look shiny though
[16:42] <HazRPG> mgdm: :D
[16:43] <HazRPG> mgdm: I was looking at these last night/this morning, looks interesting ( http://home.ica.net/~leifb/commodore/ethernet.html )
[16:44] <HazRPG> not sure what good it would do now, but I also found out an old, but popular, BBS is still active
[16:45] <penguin42> HazRPG: Doesn't a commy have a serial interface you could run ppp or ka9q over?
[16:45] <mgdm> I did look at getting a MIDI attachment for the C64 once, but I never did in the end
[16:45] <HazRPG> penguin42: I think it does
[16:46] <HazRPG> penguin42: I think that's how the original c64 modems connected in to them
[16:46] <mgdm> I doubt it ever used PPP
[16:46] <mgdm> or IP in general, actually
[16:47] <mgdm> BBSes would be just using a straight serial channel (whatever the correct term for it is)
[16:47] <penguin42> mgdm: I'd be surprised if some people hadn't run IP over them for the hell of it
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: SLIP more likely, in ye olde days
[16:47] <mgdm> penguin42: well, yeah; but they'd be the exception rather than the rule ;)
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLIP
[16:48] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Ah yeh, haven't come across that for a LONG time
[16:51] <bigcalm> Time for hockey!
[16:55] <HazRPG> wow, you can run the c64 as a real-time streaming audio server xD
[16:55] <HazRPG> using the various different ethernet adapters peopled made
[16:55] <HazRPG> audio is sampled at 2000 Hz though
[16:58] <popey> great joystick /98
[16:58] <popey> bah
[16:58] <HazRPG>  /98?
[16:59] <AlanBell> the dragon 32 had analog joysticks
[16:59] <penguin42> BBC B also had analog joystick port
[17:00] <AlanBell> friend of mine had one of them and we took it apart, it just reported a number from -64 to 64 based on the resistance of a slider on some metal
[17:00] <HazRPG> hehe
[17:00] <AlanBell> so we ended up plugging in all sorts of things we could wire up in such a way that they presented a resistance
[17:01] <mgdm> The C64 could tolerate an analogue joystick on port 1
[17:02] <mgdm> port 2 (the most commonly used one) is just digital, though
[17:02] <mgdm> and even if you *can* get an analogue joystick on there, it'd just be treated digitally anyway in 99.9% of games, so...
[17:05]  * HazRPG currently trying to access a web page served on a c64
[17:05] <HazRPG> its taking its time, but is to be expected :P
[17:05] <Synth_sam> Does someone have to press play on tape?
[17:05] <HazRPG> Synth_sam: its already loaded in memory
[17:06] <Synth_sam> HazRPG: Are you managing the c64 server yourself?
[17:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andrew] HowTo: Gtk.IconView with One Row - http://whyareyoureadingthisurl.wordpress.com/2011/03/06/howto-gtk-iconview-with-one-row/
[17:07] <HazRPG> a packet will arrive at the c64's ethernet port, parsed out (which obviously uses memory and cpu cycles) and sents the data back... but well too many people accessing it at once, and the RAM fills up quick
[17:08] <HazRPG> Synth_sam: no, it's the original creator of "The Final Ethernet Cartridge" that hackers made
[17:09] <HazRPG> guessing the c64 still gets web traffic, cos it timed out
[17:09] <Synth_sam> HazRPG: I was going to say,  it's a long time since I've seen a c64, but surely it didn't have ethernet
[17:09] <HazRPG> heh, it had a modem though ;)
[17:10] <HazRPG> 16kbps if I recall from the website I saw last night
[17:10] <Synth_sam> 14.4k?
[17:10] <Synth_sam> lol
[17:10] <HazRPG> sorry 14.4k
[17:10] <Synth_sam> speedy
[17:11] <HazRPG> I think this thing still gets WAY too much traffic, still timing out
[17:11] <HazRPG> either that, or its not actually turned on
[17:11] <HazRPG> however it does look like its thinking a fair bit before it times out
[17:12] <HazRPG> hmm, if anyone gets any joy from connected to this: http://tfe.c64.org/
[17:13] <HazRPG> take a screenshot please (I will be :))
[17:13] <HazRPG> if it ever gets through
[17:13] <HazRPG> I hope they've got a robots.txt
[17:13] <Synth_sam> Sending request...
[17:15] <Synth_sam> doesn't respond to ping
[17:15] <Myrtti> I can haz a new webcam and it's pink ♥
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: specs! :)
[17:16] <Myrtti> Logitech HD C270
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> does it work with Linux? :)
[17:18] <Myrtti> yup
[17:18] <Myrtti> I'm not sure if the microphone does
[17:18] <Myrtti> but I didn't buy it for the microphone anyway, so I don't care
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> it should, you have to enable it in the audio settings
[17:18] <Myrtti> it sure beats my old webcam
[17:21] <Synth_sam> HazRPG: I think that the c64 must not be up, it was put online in 2002, and it doesn't respond to ping, nmap reveals no open ports
[17:22] <HazRPG> Synth_sam: I doubt it'll respond to most of that anyway, since it is just a hacked up job
[17:22] <HazRPG> gotta remember the ram is somewhat limited
[17:23] <Synth_sam> suppose
[17:23] <HazRPG> if the site plain just didn't exist, it'd just time out almost instantly - or one would assume anyways
[17:23] <Synth_sam> the NMAP scan I just performed might be considered DoS considering the size of the RAM on the c64
[17:24] <Synth_sam> The last "news" from that website is from September 2003
[17:25] <Synth_sam> right, gotta dash, time to watch "Unknown"
[17:36] <cbx33> boo
[17:36] <mgdm> eek!
[17:36] <cbx33> howz it going peeps
[17:42] <HazRPG> cbx33: not bad, how's you?
[17:46] <cbx33> yeh good good
[18:39] <scoundrel50> test
[18:40] <DJones> Correct
[18:45]  * DJones wonders at the mailing list and the last few days postings
[19:07]  * HazRPG really likes this internet radio station I found a week ago :)
[19:07] <HazRPG> SLAY Radio its called :)
[19:11] <cbx33> and I'm back :)
[19:11] <AlanBell> scoundrel50: hello
[19:13] <HazRPG> haha c64 anyone: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/COMMODORE-C64-CONSOLE-/280636808011?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item415741db4b#ht_500wt_1156
[19:13] <HazRPG> got 6mins
[19:13] <HazRPG> £15
[19:13] <HazRPG> no bidders so far
[19:13] <HazRPG> could be because the desc. is so vague
[19:13] <HazRPG> also, pickup only
[19:14] <HazRPG> I was only looking for a cable
[19:14]  * DJones considers it, but only if HazRPG can port ubuntu to it before the bidding closes
[19:14] <HazRPG> now I find hundreds of these things after I couldn't find a single one
[19:14] <DJones> It may need to be a minimal install though
[19:14] <HazRPG> DJones: haha that would be a hefty task!
[19:15] <HazRPG> LNG not good enough?
[19:15] <HazRPG> http://lng.sourceforge.net/
[19:15] <AlanBell> scoundrel50: so you have installed virtualbox from virtualbox.org or sun or oracle, and you have been upgrading that machine since Karmic right?
[19:19] <scoundrel50> AlanBell: Hi, to my knowledge, I have never installed Virtualbox, but I have been upgrading since Karmic yes......
[19:19] <AlanBell> ok, lets see if you have virtualbox installed
[19:19] <AlanBell> in a terminal window type "Vir" then press tab
[19:20] <scoundrel50> If I go into Synaptic nothing is ticked there to say I have it installed
[19:20] <AlanBell> if it autocompletes VirtualBox then you have it
[19:20] <scoundrel50> ok, done that
[19:20] <scoundrel50> thank you
[19:20] <AlanBell> scoundrel50: so it is installed?
[19:21] <scoundrel50> oh, that is strange, it autocompleted
[19:21] <scoundrel50> yet in Synaptic it doesnt show anything
[19:21] <AlanBell> ok
[19:21] <AlanBell> I think you have installed it not from the repositories
[19:22] <AlanBell> there is a version of it in the Ubuntu repositories and you can get a slightly different version from virtualbox.org
[19:22] <AlanBell> which was then bought by sun
[19:22] <AlanBell> which was then bought by Oracle
[19:22] <scoundrel50> Oh ok, I dont remember doing that though. Can I uninstal it?
[19:23] <scoundrel50> How do I uninstal it?
[19:23] <AlanBell> just checking something
[19:23] <scoundrel50> ok, thank you.
[19:24] <AlanBell> if you do "dpkg --status virtualbox" it should tell you a page of stuff about what version is installed
[19:25] <AlanBell> or it might give some kind of error
[19:25] <AlanBell> can you pastebin the output of it please (if it looks like lots of stuff)
[19:25] <scoundrel50> ok, one sec, will do that now
[19:26] <scoundrel50> ok, about 10 lines of errors, will open pastebin and post now
[19:28] <scoundrel50> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/576578/
[19:28] <scoundrel50> that is odd, says its not installed
[19:28] <AlanBell> try dpkg --status virtualbox-3.0
[19:28] <scoundrel50> ok,
[19:28] <AlanBell> I have the version from the repos, which is virtualbox-ose, here is my output http://paste.ubuntu.com/576580/
[19:29]  * AlanBell goes to put kids to bed, back in a bit
[19:30] <scoundrel50> ok, now I'm getting those errors I first e-mailed about this mornign, back again.
[19:32] <scoundrel50> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/576582/ these error messages were what starting the e-mails this morning.
[19:35] <AlanBell> scoundrel50: perfect, you have virtualbox-3.0 installed, and it does have that odd version number
[19:35] <AlanBell> anyone else here got the non-free virtualbox installed to compare?
[19:36] <scoundrel50> can it be uninstalled? I dont use it.
[19:37] <DJones> AlanBell: I haven't got any virtualbox installed, so if you let me know which one you want installing, I'll do that & let you know
[19:37] <AlanBell> ok, lets try dpkg -r virtualbox-3.0
[19:37] <AlanBell> which should attempt to remove it
[19:37] <scoundrel50> ok
[19:37] <AlanBell> whether that cleans up the file with the dodgy version number in it I am less sure
[19:38] <AlanBell> can you also try dpkg --status virtualbox-2.2
[19:39] <scoundrel50> I think its going to have a problem uninstalling it, it gave all those errors agains, and now has stalled in the uninstall process
[19:39] <scoundrel50> its got jaunty and karmic errors
[19:39] <shauno> I gather it's complaining about using ~ in the version number?
[19:39] <AlanBell> sudo dpkg -r virtualbox-3.0
[19:39] <scoundrel50> I added the sudo already
[19:39] <AlanBell> for removing a package you will need sudo, just getting status doesn't
[19:40] <AlanBell> I see no ~ shauno
[19:40] <AlanBell> scoundrel50: lets see the errors you are getting then
[19:40] <scoundrel50> something is happening, my processor is wroking overtime, the yellow light is flashing
[19:41] <scoundrel50> ok, will just pastebin them now
[19:42] <scoundrel50> something is happening because its using up my cpuy, and Google Chrome is having problems opening a tab, one sec, still waiting
[19:43] <shauno> AlanBell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/576589/   they appear to be using ~ in the version number, which isn't being reflected in his status.  I'm curious if that's what's throwing dpkg off
[19:43] <gr33npeace> scoundrel50: what do you see with the following command?
[19:43] <gr33npeace> scoundrel50:   grep -i virtualbox /var/lib/dpkg/status
[19:43] <scoundrel50> ok, more stuff happened, have to do another pastebin, finished the uninstall, but I dont think it worked, one sec
[19:44] <gr33npeace> scoundrel50: sorry mate, think I missed some of the conversation there
[19:45] <shauno> gr33npeace: easily missed, the first half of it is on the ubuntu-uk mailing list, so there's lots of context missing wherever you look :)
[19:45] <AlanBell> I was going to suggest as the next interesting thing: grep -n virtualbox /var/lib/dpkg/status
[19:45] <scoundrel50> there is the new pastebin http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/576594/ finished the process but not sure it uninstlled vb
[19:45] <gr33npeace> shauno: ah!! ok  :) ... where are we now?  is it easy enough to uninstall the oracle version from the system?
[19:46] <scoundrel50> sorry it took so long
[19:46] <AlanBell> gr33npeace: last paste was dpkg -r virtualbox-3.0
[19:46] <scoundrel50> do you want me to try the other command you just posted?
[19:47] <scoundrel50> the grep command
[19:47] <gr33npeace> that will just search in the file for the text
[19:47] <gr33npeace> so it won't hurt!
[19:47] <scoundrel50> oh, ok, did that remove command work? It said something about rebooting, should I try a reboot?
[19:48] <AlanBell> I think it worked (as in uninstalled it)
[19:48] <AlanBell> however I don't think that fixed the actual problem (possibly bad version numbers in /var/lib/dpkg/status)
[19:48] <AlanBell> can you try: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[19:48] <scoundrel50> just entered the grep command, will post pastebin now
[19:49] <gr33npeace> scoundrel50: don't think you need to reboot... but to confirm uninstallation you can start typing "Virt"  and then hit tab to see if it autocompletes (as before)
[19:49] <scoundrel50> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/576595/ that is the grep command
[19:50] <scoundrel50> results sorry
[19:50] <scoundrel50> just tried the Virt and tab, and it didnt autocomplete
[19:51] <scoundrel50> just trying the install sudo apt-get install pastebinit and I get all the errors still
[19:52] <AlanBell> scoundrel50: I think it will still work, they are just warnings rather than actual errors
[19:53] <gr33npeace> AlanBell: do you think it's worth removing the offending entries in the status or file... or leaving it well alone?
[19:54] <scoundrel50> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/576596/ from the install sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[19:54] <scoundrel50> all those errors I'm gettingt
[19:55] <AlanBell> yeah, they are warnings, it did install
[19:55] <gr33npeace> looks ok...
[19:55] <AlanBell> a warning is something saying "this looks odd, but I am going to carry on anyway"
[19:55] <scoundrel50> so I dont really need to worry about the errors then?
[19:55] <scoundrel50> ok,
[19:55] <AlanBell> an error is "this is bad, I am stopping now"
[19:56] <scoundrel50> I really appreciate the help.
[19:56] <scoundrel50> What was the pastebinit install?
[19:56] <AlanBell> and yeah, it is warning about an error on a line which does sound daft
[19:56] <AlanBell> pastebinit allows you to easily put the output of a command on pastebin
[19:56] <AlanBell> one sec and I will give you another command to try
[19:57] <scoundrel50> oh, so what do I do with it now? I have no idea, sorry, not heard of it before, just use the ubuntu pastebin
[19:58] <AlanBell> sed -n '43200,43400p' /var/lib/dpkg/status|pastebinit
[19:58] <AlanBell> that will show us the interesting portion of the status file
[19:58] <AlanBell> it will give you a pastebin URL to put in here
[19:58] <popey> AlanBell: is there not merit in just yanking the offending lines?
[19:58] <scoundrel50> http://pastebin.com/e4m0fK3x
[19:59] <AlanBell> popey: yes, I just want to see what I am yanking
[19:59] <scoundrel50> that was fast
[20:02] <AlanBell> ok, so in that paste, lines 55 to 78 are the details about virtualbox-3.0
[20:02] <speedxco1e> Ext3 or Ext4 for a 80gb ssd raid1? Trying to figure out the best conf.
[20:02] <gr33npeace> AlanBell: looks like it's the underscore in the Version line that it doesn't like... mine just has hyphens
[20:02] <AlanBell> and lines 62 and 63 correspond to 43261 and 43262
[20:03] <popey> looks like debian bug 75088
[20:04] <AlanBell> not sure whether it is best to remove the whole block, or just tinker with the version numbers
[20:04] <popey> er, wrong bug
[20:04] <popey> AlanBell: you can happily remove entire package stanzas
[20:04] <popey> I have fiddled in this way before
[20:04] <AlanBell> ok, is there a nice way of doing it or just with nano?
[20:05] <popey> just a text editor
[20:05] <popey> human search/cut
[20:05] <popey> its not hard, even for a novice
[20:05] <popey> or you could get the person to post the entire file, you edit it, paste it back
[20:05] <AlanBell> ok, scoundrel50 can you type sudo nano /var/lib/dpkg/status
[20:05] <scoundrel50> ok
[20:06] <AlanBell> then ctrl+w (which finds where stuff is)
[20:06] <AlanBell> and type virtualbox-3.0
[20:06] <AlanBell> which should jump you down to that bit of the file
[20:07] <scoundrel50> sorry, accidently logged off somehow
[20:07] <popey> (do we have a backup of that file)?
[20:07] <scoundrel50> I dont have a back up no
[20:07] <AlanBell> scoundrel50: ok, no problem
[20:08] <AlanBell> cp /var/lib/dpkg/status ~/statusbackup
[20:08] <Azelphur> yay, my pc is being fun \o/
[20:08] <Azelphur> it's increased it's "Lets randomly freeze intensity to once every minute or two :p"
[20:09] <scoundrel50> ok, just checking to see if it backed up, one sec
[20:09] <Azelphur> wish I could figure out how to debug this X problem and get a bug report up, it just spikes to 100% and freezes
[20:09] <Azelphur> and I have to wait until it decides to carry on \o/
[20:10] <scoundrel50> ok, it has status and old status in there, should that be right?
[20:10] <Azelphur> I might expect this behaviour if I was on a 486 or something, but I'm on a i7 950 :x
[20:10] <daubers> Evening
[20:10] <AlanBell> scoundrel50: what has? your home directory?
[20:11] <gr33npeace> scoundrel50: depends on what you've been up to!!  "status" could be an old file  :)
[20:11] <scoundrel50> cp /var/lib/dpkg/status ~/statusbackup I entered that, and looked in the directory and that is all I have in there,
[20:11]  * brobostigon returns
[20:11] <gr33npeace> scoundrel50: can you type  "pwd" so  we can see where you are?
[20:11] <popey>  ~/ is your home directory
[20:12] <popey> ~/statusbackup is a file in your home directory
[20:12] <scoundrel50> I'm in the home directory
[20:12] <scoundrel50> should I cd to the dpkg directory?
[20:12] <popey> just look for ~/statusbackup in your home directory
[20:12] <popey> not in /var/lib/dpkg
[20:12] <popey> because the command you typed copies it to home
[20:13] <AlanBell> ~ is a shortcut for /home/scoundrel50  (or whatever your username is)
[20:13] <scoundrel50> found the backup file in home directory, just did ls and it showed it to me
[20:13] <AlanBell> ok, so if you have a nice comfortable backup then lets edit the real file
[20:14] <scoundrel50> ok
[20:14] <AlanBell> sudo nano /var/lib/dpkg/status
[20:14] <AlanBell> then ctrl+w virtualbox-3.0
[20:14] <AlanBell> that should take you to the bit that is line 55 of http://pastebin.com/e4m0fK3x
[20:14] <Azelphur> dunno what I'm gonna do about this freeze bug
[20:14] <Azelphur> probably have to try some different distros or something :/
[20:15] <Azelphur> my computer is completely unusable now
[20:15] <AlanBell> Azelphur: tried in -kernel?
[20:15] <Azelphur> -kernel for an X bug?
[20:15] <scoundrel50> ooh, that is interesting
[20:15] <scoundrel50> I think I have that now
[20:16] <scoundrel50> what next
[20:16] <AlanBell> scoundrel50: great
[20:16] <AlanBell> scoundrel50: ctrl+k removes a line
[20:16] <scoundrel50> I can see Virtual Box in the terminal
[20:16] <scoundrel50> ok
[20:16] <scoundrel50> which lines to remove
[20:17] <AlanBell> you need to nuke everything from "Package: virtualbox-3.0" to "Python-Version: >= 2.4" (just before the next blank line)
[20:17] <AlanBell> so the equivalent to lines 55 to 78 on the pastebin
[20:17] <scoundrel50> ok, but I dont have line numbners in the Terminal
[20:17] <scoundrel50> so how to nuke them, do you have to highlight, or what?
[20:18] <AlanBell> ctrl+c will tell you what line you are on
[20:18] <AlanBell> go down to Version: 3.0.14-58977_Ubuntu_karmic and press ctrl+c
[20:18] <popey> just press ctrl+k anywhere on a line will nuke that one line
[20:18] <AlanBell> that should be the line that corresponds to the warning message
[20:19] <AlanBell> scoundrel50: have a look round first, you should see that each package has a block of text, the one after virtualbox is Package: xserver-xorg-input-mouse
[20:19] <scoundrel50> ok, not sure about this, is there anyway I can take a picture of what I am seeing in the terminal to show you?
[20:20] <AlanBell> scoundrel50: at the top, does it say   GNU nano 2.2.4          File: /var/lib/dpkg/status
[20:20] <scoundrel50> yes
[20:20] <AlanBell> good
[20:21] <AlanBell> so that is a text editor, and you are looking at part of a very very long file of text
[20:21] <AlanBell> you can scroll up and down
[20:21] <scoundrel50> The curser is on Package: virtualbox3.0
[20:21] <scoundrel50> I just tested that scrolling now
[20:22] <AlanBell> press ctrl+c to see what line you are on which will say something like([ line 5825/61691 (9%), col 10/24 (41%), char 262479/2806869 (9%) ]) at the bottom of the screen (only different numbers)
[20:22] <AlanBell> pressing ctrl+k will remove a line
[20:22] <AlanBell> you need to start on Package: virtualbox3.0 and remove 23 lines or so
[20:22] <scoundrel50> oh yes, I see that about the xserver-xorg-input-mouse
[20:23] <AlanBell> just stop before you hit xserver-xorg-input-mouse because the poor little mouse did you no harm at all
[20:23] <scoundrel50> ah, ok, will give it a try now3, I found where you are talking about
[20:23] <popey> my mum once killed a mouse with a hammer
[20:23] <popey> overkill
[20:24] <popey> literally!
[20:24] <mgdm> o_O
[20:24] <AlanBell> I caught a rat that was living under the chicken house
[20:24] <AlanBell> but I was nice and released it a few miles away in a wood
[20:25] <scoundrel50> ok, just nuked all those lines, how do I save and exit
[20:25] <AlanBell> you are not done yet
[20:25] <gord> and thus starts the animated adventures of mr rattys quest to get home to the chicken house from the forest far far away
[20:25] <AlanBell> ctrl+w then search for virtualbox-2.2
[20:25] <scoundrel50> ok, what next?
[20:26] <scoundrel50> ok,
[20:26] <AlanBell> that is doing the second set of errors around line 44977 (which will now be 23 lines lower of course)
[20:26] <scoundrel50> ok, found virtualbox2.2
[20:27] <AlanBell> great, scroll about and you should see it looks much the same as the other one did
[20:27] <AlanBell> nuke at will
[20:27] <scoundrel50> ok, nuked those lines
[20:27] <popey> nuke from orbit
[20:27] <AlanBell> then ctrl+x to save and quit
[20:27] <popey> it's the only way to be sure
[20:27] <scoundrel50> I nuked till here libgnustep-base1.19
[20:28] <AlanBell> great
[20:28] <AlanBell> ctrl+x and it will ask if you are sure before saving
[20:28] <AlanBell> then sudo apt-get install cowsay
[20:28] <scoundrel50> saved, what do I do now, do I need to look for something?
[20:28] <AlanBell> which should install with no warnings
[20:29] <scoundrel50> awesome, no errors
[20:29] <AlanBell> now: cowsay "yay, I fixed my Ubuntu"
[20:29] <scoundrel50> brilliant
[20:30] <scoundrel50> thank you so much, that is amazing
[20:30] <scoundrel50> sweating a bit though
[20:30] <scoundrel50> what is cowsay?
[20:30] <popey> fun
[20:30] <popey> on four legs
[20:30] <Azelphur> Is it easy to try nouveau, and does it support the GTX 570?
[20:30] <Azelphur> I think my freeze issues are the nvidia driver
[20:31] <scoundrel50> hehe, you have no idea how happy that has made me, its cleaning up my Ubuntu.
[20:31] <Azelphur> I'm noticing graphical artifacts now as well as the 30-60 second lockups
[20:31] <scoundrel50> Tjhank you again
[20:31] <AlanBell> cowsay is a small and harmless package with no dependencies worth mentioning
[20:31] <webpigeon_laptop> AlanBell: it depends on... ascii \o/? :P
[20:31] <AlanBell> IRC is great for solving problems more interactively than email question and answers
[20:32] <scoundrel50> That was just amazing, I had no idea youi could do that, scary though
[20:32] <cbx33> heh
[20:32]  * cbx33 much prefers IRC to any other support medium
[20:33] <popey> Azelphur: sounds like a duff video card
[20:33] <Azelphur> popey, any way I can confirm that?
[20:34] <popey> yeah, try nouveau, that will eilminate the driver
[20:34] <Azelphur> cool, how do I try nouveau?
[20:34] <popey> there is experimental 3d support
[20:34] <popey> !nouveau
[20:34] <Azelphur> and gtx 570 is pretty new, will it support it?
[20:34] <scoundrel50> I can go get a coffee now, thanks again, I do really appreciate it. :)
[20:34] <popey> no ida
[20:34] <popey> *idea
[20:34] <popey> i have an old card
[20:34]  * AlanBell discovers: cowsay -f cock "this is a chicken"
[20:35] <popey> you need to remove nvidia to try nouveau
[20:35] <popey> and there's a libgl1-mesa-experimental driver
[20:35] <webpigeon_laptop> AlanBell: cowsay -l
[20:35] <popey> which does 3d compositing
[20:35] <Azelphur> I see, I'll give it a whirl
[20:35] <popey> I have used it on my desktop when the nvidia driver was broken
[20:35] <AlanBell> scoundrel50: do mail the list and let people know that it got solved
[20:35] <scoundrel50> ok, will do. :)
[20:36] <popey> my ant attack map is coming along http://popey.com/minecraft/gmap/?lat=0.527486&lng=0.425832&zoom=7
[20:36] <Azelphur> lol X crashed, migration/5 kondemand/1 and migration/1 hit the top of the cpu munchers list and ssh stopped responding for ~10 seconds
[20:37] <popey> Azelphur: dont set your expectations too high for nouveau
[20:37] <popey> its very early days in development
[20:37] <Azelphur> yea I know
[20:37] <Azelphur> I won't be able to use it for my day to day computing but I can use it to see if I still get freezes
[20:38] <Azelphur> what packages do I need to remove to uninstall the nvidia driver?
[20:40] <scoundrel50> have posted a thank you to the list :)
[20:40] <Azelphur> popey, ^
[20:44] <AlanBell> nearly time for Brian Cox on the telly
[20:47] <xapel> I need some simple software for generating and keeping track of invoices and payments. Any suggestions?
[20:48] <AlanBell> xapel: gnucash is simple, possibly too simple
[20:48] <AlanBell> openerp is probably not simple enough
[20:49] <Azelphur> I got my machine back to life \o/
[20:49] <Azelphur> got off nvidia-270 and back on 260. It hasn't frozen in the past 2 minutes so its probably fixed lol
[20:56] <AlanBell> RMS in London tomorrw
[20:57] <Azelphur> everyone hide
[20:57] <Baikonur> a root mean square?
[20:58] <brobostigon> !info rms
[20:58] <gr33npeace> No manual entry for rms
[20:59]  * brobostigon puts bbc2 on
[21:01] <AlanBell> !info vrms
[21:01] <AlanBell> brobostigon: ^^
[21:01] <brobostigon> hmm, ohwell.
[21:13] <czajkowski> *yawns*
[21:19] <cbx33> any latex gurus around?
[21:20] <Baikonur> i'm a latent guru
[21:20] <czajkowski> cbx33: just ask your question and if someone can help they will
[21:20] <cbx33> heh
[21:21] <cbx33> I have this file
[21:21] <cbx33> https://github.com/cbx33/gitt/blob/master/commands.tex
[21:21] <cbx33> the first one works fine.  But if I try to use the second one it complains about an ending not being in place
[21:22] <cbx33> however, if I copy the Verbatim begin and end directly into code, as in chap2.tex, it runs fine
[21:22] <cbx33> any ideas why?
[21:22] <gr33npeace> you're missing a { at the end
[21:22] <gr33npeace> (possibly...)
[21:22] <gr33npeace> or you might have one too many... eyes not working...  :)
[21:25] <cbx33> yeh...see I went through it and it seemed fine
[21:26] <gr33npeace> will admit I don't know latex... the syntax seems very strange though
[21:27] <cbx33> heh
[21:29] <mgdm> gr33npeace: it was designed originally in the 70s, so yeah, it's a bit old-school :)
[21:29] <gr33npeace> hahaha, good fact
[21:36] <gr33npeace> might sound daft... but should you use lower case "v" in Verbatim?
[21:47] <cbx33> no
[21:47] <cbx33> there are two Verbatims
[21:47] <cbx33> verbatim is the normal one
[21:47] <cbx33> Verbatim is fany
[21:47] <cbx33> fancy
[21:47] <bigcalm> o.O
[21:51] <gr33npeace> hehehehe, ok
[21:58] <nperry> Hmm, that was a lot of ping outs!
[21:58] <brobostigon> agreed, yes.
[22:31]  * HazRPG pokes brobostigon
[22:31] <HazRPG> hi! :)
[22:31] <HazRPG> Did you get change to see my blog post?
[22:32] <ChrisB_> evening.
[22:33] <ChrisB_> can someone help me download vmware server using wget please. I can't make it download the tar.gz archive, it keeps getting a part of the url only.
[22:34] <ChrisB_> url is: https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/p/activate.php?p=server20&lp=1&a=DOWNLOAD_FILE&baseurl=http://download2.vmware.com/software/server/&filename=VMware-server-2.0.2-203138.x86_64.tar.gz
[22:36] <bigcalm> ChrisB_: enclose the URL in double quotes
[22:36] <popey> ChrisB_: put quotes round it
[22:37] <czajkowski> popey: *hugs*
[22:37] <popey> hmm?
[22:37] <bigcalm> popey: any good with mod_rewrite rules?
[22:37] <popey> nope
[22:37] <popey> make them up as I go along
[22:37] <ChrisB_> thanks!
[22:37] <bigcalm> :)
[22:37] <czajkowski> popey: I give you a hug and you hmm.. charming :(
[22:38] <popey> heh
[22:38] <popey> wb
[22:38] <AlanBell> czajkowski: *hugs*
[22:38]  * czajkowski think popey is becoming a MooDoo 
[22:38]  * popey shudders
[22:38] <popey> never!
[22:38] <czajkowski> AlanBell: Hello :) *hugs*
[22:38] <popey> he uses that icky fedora thing
[22:38] <AlanBell> can't trust those RPM types
[22:39] <czajkowski> I have learnt Gatwick is an awesome airport to fly in and out of except past 11pm on return, lack of trains home
[22:39] <czajkowski> popey: tell me about it
[22:39]  * czajkowski looks at the red fedora on the table in front of her 
[22:40] <bigcalm> Paint it green
[22:40] <AlanBell> is that the one I gimped to aubergine?
[22:40] <bigcalm> Cover it with tinfoil
[22:41] <czajkowski> AlanBell: nope this is Jons
[22:41] <AlanBell> bigcalm: as luck would have it I have a tin of green spray paint
[22:41] <czajkowski> he did come and collect me at 1:15am this morning :D
[22:42] <czajkowski> we got the train then back to Victoria
[22:44] <bigcalm> Anybody down wit da mod_rewrite rulz, how does this look? RewriteRule \.(png|jpg|jpeg|gif)\?(w|h)=\d /my_resize_script.php?$1
[22:45]  * AlanBell likes what bigcalm is doing
[22:45] <AlanBell> dunno if it is right, but I know what you are doing
[22:45] <bigcalm> :)
[22:45] <bigcalm> Worth a try
[22:47] <AlanBell> silly fun is happening in #ubuntu-trivia if anyone wants to pop in
[23:07] <hamitron> someone stop me looking at spending money on toys plz :/
[23:08] <AlanBell> hamitron: join #ubuntu-trivia, it is a great waste of time
[23:08] <hamitron> I am too dumb
[23:08] <hamitron> ;)
[23:14] <HazRPG> hamitron: as am I ;) - I'm still there :P
[23:14] <hamitron> I hate joining loads of rooms
[23:15] <hamitron> reason i hate having a seperate room for minecraft
[23:15] <hamitron> :)
[23:15] <hamitron> puts me in a bad mood monitoring so many
[23:16] <hamitron> so I get lazy and don't bother with IRC at all
[23:16] <hamitron> (please avoid telling me that would be a good thing ;/ )
[23:31] <AlanBell> hamitron: well trivia is one you don't have to monitor really
[23:31] <hamitron> I find more than 4 tabs, and IRC is pain
[23:32] <hamitron> I got the tabs at the top, and it means scrolling
[23:32]  * AlanBell has 78 windows open in irssi
[23:32]  * hamitron using pidgin
[23:32] <hamitron> ;)
[23:33] <hamitron> I was going to change to irssi, but the lag on my vps is too bad
[23:34] <hamitron> IRC is the one thing, that I would benefit from having a widescreen monitor
[23:34] <hamitron> just dump it at the side, then have web browser alongside
[23:44] <hamitron> brb, XP just roggered itself