[08:45] <ochosi> hi everyone
[08:46] <micahg> hi ochosi
[08:47] <ochosi> micahg: do you have an opinion on theming?
[08:48] <micahg> ochosi: usually not unless it's atrocious
[08:48] <ochosi> ok :)
[08:48] <ochosi> well, i'm considering to give the menus a dark background
[08:48] <ochosi> but keep a bright menubar
[08:48] <micahg> that sounds like it'll contrast poorly
[08:48] <ochosi> dunno whether you've tested/seen greybird so far
[08:49] <micahg> ochosi: upgrading to natty now
[08:49] <ochosi> how do you mean it'll contrast poorly?
[08:49] <micahg> dark vs light
[08:49] <ochosi> yeah, but the font-color will be bright
[08:49] <micahg> oh, well, actually looking at the theme in maverick, it's dark and light, so I guess it wouldn't be that bad
[08:49] <micahg> you have a sample to lookat?
[08:50] <ochosi> well, it would be something like this: http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/TXKh77ChufI/AAAAAAAADTg/sEwh7Wpy9Go/elementary-gtk-theme-2.1.png
[08:50] <ochosi> but the menus/panels not as dark as here
[08:50]  * micahg fires up midori ;)
[08:50] <ochosi> i just realised that the dark panel-bg kind of makes you wish for dark indicator menus
[08:51] <ochosi> i achieved that yesterday and made them dark, then i realised that the app-menu should probably also be dark for consistency
[08:51] <ochosi> and since i'm not sure it's possible to theme that independently of other menus i think it's either all or nothing
[08:51] <micahg> hmm, looks monochrome
[08:52] <micahg> except for the highlight
[08:52] <ochosi> well, the shot isn't really representative as there aren't even icons in the menus (xubuntu has those activated)
[08:53] <ochosi> i mean there are two options imo, either make the menus brighter than atm or darker
[08:53] <ochosi> (both would mean better contrast/readability i think)
[08:57] <ochosi> micahg: hm, so what do you think, is it worth a try?
[08:57] <ochosi> (it's not like we can't change it back later)
[08:58] <micahg> ochosi: idk, might be worth asking others, seems ok to me, but style isn't my strong point
[08:58] <ochosi> right
[08:58] <ochosi> yeah, i'll maybe give it a shot so i can at least present screenshots
[08:58] <ochosi> otherwise people won't really know what it looks like
[09:55] <ochosi> micahg: you still around?
[09:55] <micahg> ochosi: yep
[09:55] <ochosi> if you're still interested in a screenshot i can now provide one
[09:57] <ochosi> micahg: http://imagebin.org/141414
[09:59] <micahg> ochosi: crashes midori :P, will check in firefox after reboot
[09:59] <ochosi> micahg: right :)
[09:59] <micahg> brb, hopefully :)
[10:22] <micahg> ochosi: any idea where the network manager went?
[11:19] <ochosi> micahg: what do you mean?
[11:19] <ochosi> micahg: is it not in the panel?
[11:20] <ochosi> micahg: (if xfce4-indicator is in the panel, nm-applet should be displayed as an indicator, otherwise it should be in the systray)
[11:20] <micahg> no, it's not
[11:20] <ochosi> are you using the default panel layout?
[11:21]  * micahg has no idea, my panel settings were lost on upgrade
[11:22]  * micahg does not like some of the new panel applets
[11:22] <ochosi> right, does it look like this: http://wiki.knome.fi/_detail/shimmer:panel_it4.png?id=xubuntu%3Anatty_panel
[11:22] <micahg> I don't have the wireless
[11:23] <micahg> or the name thingy
[11:31] <ochosi> micahg: and the rest is there? (the lower panel is on autohide by default)
[11:31] <ochosi> check in the panel preferences whether the systray and the indicator plugin are there, if not, add them
[11:36]  * micahg doesn't see a systray option
[11:36] <micahg> but all the other old icons are there
[11:37] <ochosi> no, i mean check in the panel preferences (there's an item-list) whether the indicator plugin is there and if not add it and restart the panel
[11:38] <micahg> indicator-plugin is there, but I don't have the network indicator, I just want nm-applet
[11:39] <ochosi> nm-applet can be either displayed as indicator or as systray-icon
[11:39] <ochosi> that depends on what you have in your panel
[11:39] <micahg> ugh, I have both
[11:39] <ochosi> if indicator-plugin is there, nm-applet will behave like an indicator
[11:39] <ochosi> if both are there, it's also an indicator
[11:41] <micahg> ok, so indicators were messed up, removed indicator plugin and got my session menu back
[11:42] <ochosi> right
[11:47]  * micahg gives up on nm-applet until monday
[11:49] <ochosi> right
[11:49] <ochosi> well, dunno, for me it works either way
[11:49]  * micahg will just blame cyphermox :)
[11:50] <ochosi> is that an indicator-dev?
[11:50] <micahg> no, he's the network manager dev
[11:50] <ochosi> right :)