[00:17] <mhall119> caps always gets you better support
[00:50] <aberhow> anyone in here playing with 11.04
[00:50] <knome> aberhow, #ubuntu+1
[02:35] <lighta> hoi does someone know how can I do a recursive merge ?
[07:20] <MaxDamage`> Hey.
[07:21] <MaxDamage`> I made a Live USB, using Xubuntu 10.10, but it doesn't boot. Gets stuck on "Checking battery state" and I'm not even using a laptop/netbook.
[07:21] <MaxDamage`> Also, it does say [ OK ] at the end.
[10:21] <dirtycookie> hi I have a crackling noise in my headphones when there is nothing played, I checked alsamixer where I set everything down to zero but no luck
[11:30] <searching> how to disable Ubuntu Software Center from menu?
[11:35] <Sysi> remove it?
[11:35] <searching> remove from menu
[11:35] <searching> in ubuntu edit menu
[11:35] <searching> but with xubuntu?
[11:36] <Sysi> available (again) on next release
[11:36] <searching> ?
[11:37] <Sysi> aka. no menu editor in xubuntu, but editing config files is possible
[11:37] <searching> is in .config?
[11:38] <searching> good
[11:38] <searching> why after playing vlc system not shutdown complete?
[11:39] <Sysi> shouldn't be about vlc, maybe kernel bug with your hardware
[11:39] <Sysi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1136881
[11:42] <searching> ok
[11:42] <searching> I have dual boot
[11:43] <searching> xubuntu 9.04 and 10.10
[11:43] <searching> in 9.04 I can play games like barn buddy but in 10.10 freeze the system
[11:45] <searching> and can`t shutdown
[11:45] <Sysi> shutdown and freezing are generan problems, you could ask your local community channel
[11:47] <searching> same flash player
[11:47] <searching> in 10.10 youtube works
[16:56] <bhe> clear
[16:57] <knome> fill
[17:01] <bhe> sorry, forgot the '/'
[17:02] <knome> heh, no problem :)
[17:23] <medeman> hey i cant find a server release for xubuntu 10.10...
[17:23] <medeman> any idea?
[17:23] <medeman> is there one?
[17:24] <fragolino> wow I'm in! hi all!
[17:24] <medeman> hi
[17:24] <Sysi> medeman: what do you mean server release
[17:24] <fragolino> I have a litle doubt.
[17:24] <Sysi> xubuntu server = ubuntu server
[17:25] <Sysi> should be available
[17:25] <medeman> but i cant find it
[17:25] <knome> it is ubuntu server
[17:25] <knome> there is no such thing as "xubuntu server" since servers do not have desktop environments
[17:26] <medeman> ubuntu server has
[17:26] <knome> if you install one, yes
[17:27] <fragolino> I installed xubuntu 9.04. then upgraded to something I thought waS xubuntu 9.10. but now update.manger asks me to "update" to ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[17:28] <medeman> hmm knome i just want to use the server as a web server with php and mysql, can i do so in xubuntu desktop?
[17:28] <Sysi> fragolino: should be right, and you should update
[17:28] <knome> fragolino, if you updated, then it still is xubuntu
[17:28] <knome> medeman, yes, if you so wish
[17:28] <knome> medeman, just install php and mysql (and web server of you preference)
[17:28] <medeman> i.e. apache?
[17:28] <knome> yes
[17:29] <medeman> are they all available from the repo?
[17:29] <knome> yes
[17:29] <knome> should be pretty easily guessable names
[17:29] <Sysi> same repos for all *buntu
[17:29] <knome> eg. php5, mysql-server, apache2 (i'm not sure though)
[17:30] <fragolino> Sysi, Knome: I tried to update but I saw he was uninstaling lots of light programs like abiword installing openoffice. (for example)
[17:30] <medeman> okay thanks
[17:30] <knome> fragolino, that definitely sounds weird
[17:33] <fragolino> knome: I escaped from ubuntu, and, honesty I was trying to install debian this morning (but I failed), then suse (which failed):I am now a happy user of Xfce 4 that I love! I do not want to come back to ubuntu, openoffice, (in)volution, and so on...
[17:35] <medeman> xfce is a desktop enviroment i think, not a distribution fragolino ?
[17:35] <Sysi> fragolino: you can always remove software you don't need and replace with your favourites
[17:36] <Sysi> though it shouldn't randomly change installed software
[17:36] <Sysi> do you have ubuntu-desktop installed? how about xubuntu-desktop?
[17:36] <fragolino> update manager says:it is now available the new release of <<10.04.1 LTS>> for Ubuntu. So it sems to me that I updated fron Xubuntu to Ubuntu!
[17:38] <fragolino> I know xfce is just the desktop environment but  I stil have all Xubuntu "architecture" : no evolution for now, no openofice, for now. But if i test the "update" it would like to erase abiwordf and thunderbird!!
[17:40] <Sysi> you still can install them back (but it shouldn't remove them)
[17:40] <Sysi> chevk those two packages i mentioned
[17:40] <fragolino> wait I'm checking..
[17:43] <fragolino> I have DEFINITELY  xubuntu-desktop (but I also have ubuntu keyring, ubuntu-minimal, ubuntu-standard. hope it can helps..
[17:44] <Sysi> i just thought if ubuntu-desktop overrides xubuntu-desktop
[17:46] <fragolino> no, this did not happened! ...but it seems to happen with next update.
[17:47] <Sysi> i mean it could occur in update
[17:51] <fragolino> Sysi, you think is possible?.... I always had ubuntu so I never had the problem to move to ubuntu: but now what can I do? the only hope is install a new Xubuntu 11.04? Does anybody know if there is a "receipt" to DIET XUBUNTU (LIKE the many one exist for Ubuntu)?
[17:52] <Sysi> fragolino: 11.04 is still alpha, 10.04 is LTS if you want it
[17:53] <Sysi> if you want light xubuntu, do command line install from alternate disk (it's in F6 - options) and then install xfce4 and xfce4-goodies (and maybe network-manager-gnome)
[17:54] <Sysi> you can't get as big difference as with gnome
[17:55] <fragolino> ok go on...
[18:02] <fragolino> can I ask another different question?
[18:06] <fragolino> I can not see the new ssd hdd I bought. It is a 1.8" micro sata (and I bought an adapter fot the standard sata cable that fits on the motherboard). is there a command line to inteerogate the sata chanels lloking for something? I mean a powerful "forcing" the look 4..
[18:07] <Sysi> how do you mean "see"?
[18:25] <fragolino> nor the motherboard, nor the operating system detects it...
[18:26] <Sysi> power wire connected?
[18:35] <fragolino> sysi: ? what ?
[18:35] <Sysi> something wrong on low level if you can't see it from bios
[18:35] <fragolino> yes it has a ALSO a power wire: 1 data and 1 power, 2 cables connected
[18:36] <fragolino> when connected to a windows laptop it worked: it is a kingspec1.8" microsata 32gb.
[18:37] <Sysi> can you see it in gparted?
[18:37] <fragolino> the bios is new, and the mobo is also new.
[18:39] <fragolino> when inserting the installation cd I could only see the ide hd and the usb external hd.
[18:40] <fragolino> I fear something bad because the bios says no sata devices....
[19:41] <gnoob> can xfburn copy a CD or create an iso file from a CD?  I can not seem to find a way.
[19:57] <Guest83878> looking for help with video resolution on old dell d600 w/radeon 9000 won't change res ... goes blank unusable xubuntu 10.10
[20:00] <Guest83878> i'll take that as a 'no'
[20:39] <lithpr> has anyone got the weather applet working after upgrading to xfce 4.8 on xubuntu 10.10?
[20:41] <drc> lithpr: nope, didn't work for me either (so your not alone :)
[20:41] <drc> er...you're, that is
[20:41] <lithpr> oaky
[20:41] <lithpr> thank you
[20:42] <drc> np, If you fnd an answer, a note her would be nice
[20:42] <lithpr> will do
[20:44] <lithpr> All external plugins need to recompile to properly use the 4.8 framework. The weather plugin does not support rgba windows (composite), so therefore it crashes, being worked on for the next weather plugin release. For the places plugin I have no idea what is broken.
[20:45] <lithpr> I managed to get all the plugins working except for the weather applet. If you're looking for a temporary solution, the xfapplet plugin still works and you can use the gnome weather applet.
[20:45] <lithpr> trying...
[20:45] <Sysi> i think places is about thunar using different backend
[20:46] <drc> lithpr: So I suppose that xubuntu 11.04 will include the re-compiled plugins...for a new install at least, wonder about an upgrade?
[20:46] <Sysi> there's new plugin for sam purpose, idk name
[20:46] <Sysi> i think i heard that weather-plugin is unmaintained and quite old
[20:47] <Sysi> drc: same packages in upgraded system as clean install
[20:47] <lithpr> drc- the gnome plugin works
[20:47] <drc> Sysi: maybe, but without the weather-plugin, I'm gonna have to go back to GNOME :)
[20:48] <lithpr> yeah, 28F and "mist"y
[20:49] <drc> lithpr: really?  I like that one better anyway...lemme try it
[20:53] <Sysi> drc: unity comes and hits :P
[20:54] <drc> Sysi: I wonder if people understand the close link between Unity and Unification Day ? (in Firefly:)
[20:56] <Sysi> i don't
[20:57] <drc> Sysi: nevermind, it's a complicated story to try and tell here
[20:58] <Sysi> wikipedia told basics
[21:12] <bhe> i did minimal install, installed only what i need and now i want to save the current state of the os to a backup, what's the easy way to do this?
[21:14] <drc> Is there a difference between the xubuntu and xfce sessions on the boot menu (except the menu items, that is)?
[21:14] <lithpr> bhe: i use clonezilla to back up the partition
[21:15] <bhe> oh crap, i forgot, i changed my approach, i installed ubuntu min, and then xfce4, ill change channels, sorry.
[21:15] <lithpr> make sure you use the "image" based option
[21:15] <lithpr> bhe- i do that sort of thing a lot
[21:15] <lithpr> :)
[21:16] <bhe> well, since i have someone's attention... can you help me with somehting?
[21:16] <lithpr> i can try
[21:16] <bhe> after min install, i installed synaptic
[21:16] <lithpr> okay
[21:16] <bhe> seems like my root user doesn't have access to synaptic
[21:16] <bhe> do i need to edit a config somewhere?
[21:17] <lithpr> hmm, well, you can change the permissions with chmod
[21:17] <bhe> 755?
[21:17] <lithpr> but in ubuntu, that's not what you are supposed to do
[21:17] <bhe> oh, gotcha
[21:17] <lithpr> sudo is better
[21:18] <lithpr> but yeah, make the permissions whatever, just make sure the "other" user's execute bit is on
[21:18] <lithpr> when you start that clean, you also have a great opportunity to use aptitude instead of apt-get
[21:18] <bhe> well, i can change the launch command to sudo synaptic and it works
[21:19] <bhe> that an ok practice?
[21:19] <lithpr> sure
[21:20] <bhe> ok, another thing, in xfce how do i edit the application menu
[21:20] <lithpr> the advantage of aptitude is that when you "aptitude remove foo" it gets rid of all the dependencies automatically, which is nice when you are putting a system together from base/min and are experimenting
[21:20] <lithpr> oops, didn't like that - "aptitude remove foo" - yeay! no cruft
[21:21] <bhe> sure, i was just gonna use synaptic to handle that
[21:22] <lithpr> in xubuntu- settings -> main menu
[21:22] <bhe> hmmm no main menu, which pakg i need for it?
[21:22] <drc> lithpr: is that Main Menu in 4.8?
[21:22] <lithpr> oh yeah, right :)
[21:23] <lithpr> i'm on 4.8, i don't know what it is in 4.6 (xubuntu's default)
[21:23] <drc> oh, you bleeding edgers :)
[21:23] <lithpr> 4.8 is pretty sweet
[21:23] <bhe> well this is actully a ubuntu install
[21:23] <bhe> with xfce
[21:23] <lithpr> there is a ppa for xfce 4.8
[21:23] <bhe> so am in in 4.6 or 4.8?
[21:23] <lithpr> works great
[21:24] <lithpr> 4.6 if you did installed xubuntu-desktop (i think that's what its called)
[21:25] <bhe> i didnt install xubuntu desktoip
[21:25] <bhe> i installed xfce4
[21:25] <drc> 4.6 is default in 10.10
[21:25] <bhe> and xfce4-goodies
[21:25] <bhe> gotcha
[21:25] <lithpr> i don't know then- 99% you are 4.6
[21:25] <bhe> ok, do you know which package gives me Main Menu in settings?
[21:25] <lithpr> do you have "about xfce" in accessories?
[21:26] <bhe> negative
[21:27] <bhe> k, it's 4.6
[21:27] <bhe> *from synaptic
[21:27] <lithpr> oic- i installed alacarte
[21:28] <lithpr> one of the benefits of 4.8 is that you can use alacarte :)
[21:28] <bhe> oh, not in my lowly 4.6...
[21:28] <lithpr> i think i read that that was new in 4.8
[21:28] <lithpr> i've never used xfce before
[21:29] <lithpr> smoking brb
[21:29] <drc> lithpr: another refugee from Unity?
[21:30] <bhe> drc, you have any answers for me?
[21:33] <drc> bhe: which question?
[21:34] <bhe> i need (would like) a menu editor for xfce4
[21:35] <drc> the 4.6 version?
[21:35] <bhe> yes
[21:36] <drc> As far as I can fugure, there is not one one for 4.6...I have used alacarte when I added 4.8, but had problems (so I re-installed)
[21:36] <lithpr> drc - yup :)
[21:36] <lithpr> that and the banshee mess
[21:36] <lithpr> easy install, fast repos, lovely human-theme, no guilt :)
[21:37] <lithpr> my only problem with xfce is the lack of docs
[21:37] <lithpr> but i would like to contribute, so maybe i can work on that
[21:37] <nvision_> any chance to get thunar 1.3.0 for xubuntu?
[21:37] <lithpr> nvision_: you get it if you upgrade to 4.8
[21:37] <drc> bhe: There are many How-To's for 4.6, but I never bothered...the menus were just fine for me (I just un-installed any app I didn't want)
[21:38] <nvision_> i installed the alpha3 today and it's thunar 1.2
[21:39] <lithpr> oic- i'm using 10.10 with the 4.8 ppa
[21:40] <bhe> @drc i just need to update the command that launches synaptic, that is all
[21:40] <drc> bhe: Ah...then you might need to use your google-fu
[21:42] <bhe> my g-fu isn't prevailing thus far
[21:44] <drc> bhe: http://en.kioskea.net/faq/3499-xubuntu-modifying-the-applications-menu    ??
[21:45]  * drc wonders why google gives me a 2006 answer when I google "xubuntu+menu"  I mean really...2006?
[21:52] <drc> Is there a difference between the xubuntu and xfce sessions on the boot menu (except the Applications menu items, that is)?
[22:04] <Khajja> quick Q, second day linux user. i want to have a terminal command executed as soon as i log in, where can i put it?
[22:04] <lithpr> .bashrc
[22:05] <Sysi> settings -> session and startup -> autostart
[22:05] <Sysi> all in ~/.bashrc is executed every time you open terminal
[22:05] <Khajja> well that makes it easy, lol. thanks
[22:07] <lithpr> oops, my bad.  .profile then :)
[22:07] <lithpr> still learnin myself :)
[22:10] <realloc> hi
[22:11] <realloc> i can't find xorg.conf file, where does xubuntu save information about graphic card it uses for run xorg?
[22:12] <Sysi> xorg.conf but it doesn't exist anymore by default
[22:12] <Sysi> you can create it xserver stopped, Xorg -configure
[22:13] <realloc> i want to know which graphic card driver is using
[22:14] <Sysi> lspci -k
[22:16] <realloc> but i need to know if xorg is using "vesa", "nvidia", ...
[22:17] <realloc> in xorg.conf this information was in Section "Device"\ Driver "vesa"\ ...\ EndSection
[22:17] <Sysi> lspci -k lists used kernel modules
[22:17] <Sysi> if you haven't installed propietary driver it's propably nouveau
[22:18] <realloc> pcnet32
[22:18] <lithpr> okay, i have a question now.  I wrote a script to change the wallpaper  when i change desktop.  it's currently in my .bashrc, and it's performance improves over time, which makes sense now, since i'm running a new copy of it every time i open a shell... should i add the script to the startup -> autostart then?
[22:18] <realloc> i want that xorg uses vesa
[22:18] <realloc> (btw thanks for your support Sysi)
[22:20] <Sysi> realloc: can i ask why? it isn't very good driver
[22:21] <Sysi> lithpr: you could try
[22:21] <realloc> well, i'm running xubuntu under virtualbox and virtualbox requires vesa :(
[22:21] <Sysi> ah
[22:22] <Sysi> do you have guest-additions?
[22:22] <realloc> is a package? (apt-get install guest-additions)?
[22:22] <realloc> i think not
[22:23] <Sysi> i'm not sure about name but yes
[22:23] <Khajja> @Sysi was able to get it working, thanks!
[22:24] <realloc> virtualbox-guest-additions
[22:24] <realloc> installing...
[22:25] <Sysi> Khajja: np
[22:27] <realloc> what are this package?
[22:27] <Sysi> i'm ot actually sure, but it's made to virtualbox-use
[22:28] <lithpr> thank you, Sysi
[22:28] <Sysi> apt-cache show virtualbox-guest-additions
[22:28] <Sysi> lithpr: np as well :P
[22:30] <Sysi> apt-cache search guest
[22:34] <medeman> oh i dont know why but xubuntu does like ubuntu it freezes at the desktop
[22:35] <medeman> shortly after x started completely
[22:35] <medeman> it takes 5-120 seconds until it hangs up then
[22:35] <Sysi> what graphics card
[22:35] <medeman> nvidia geforce 7300gs
[22:35] <Sysi> what driver?
[22:36] <medeman> same thing happens with mandriva by the way, it works from live-cd but not installed
[22:36] <medeman> hmm Sysi im a linux-noob
[22:36] <Sysi> what xubuntu version?
[22:36] <medeman> i installed using the alternate cd
[22:36] <Sysi> medeman: have you installed propietary driver
[22:36] <medeman> 10.10 32-bit
[22:36] <medeman> no i couldnt cause it freezed before
[22:37] <Sysi> if you log in tty ctrl alt F1 before freeze you could install updates and maybe the driver
[22:38] <medeman> AMD 32-Bit (says 64-Bit, but doesn't work) 1,6Ghz 3000+ processor
[22:38] <Sysi> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:38] <medeman> huh
[22:38] <medeman> okay
[22:38] <Sysi> if don't work after reboot you can try installing nvidia-current and reboot
[22:39] <Sysi> just apt-get install nvidia-current
[22:39] <medeman> problem is i dont have internet access
[22:39] <medeman> on that machine
[22:39] <Sysi> you could try 10.04
[22:40] <medeman> whats the difference?
[22:40] <Sysi> kernel and therefore drivers and maybe xorg version
[22:40] <medeman> i tried earlier versions like 9.10, 9.04, 8.10, 8.04 etc.
[22:41] <medeman> trying every time a new (x)ubuntu arrives
[22:41] <Sysi> doesn't work?
[22:41] <Sysi> does some other os work?
[22:41] <medeman> no
[22:41] <medeman> well
[22:41] <medeman> debian, opensuse, windows 2000-7, slitaz
[22:41] <medeman> all not using that nvidia-driver
[22:42] <medeman> if you tell me how to set up internet sharing on mac os x i could have internet access on the xubuntu machine with ethernet
[22:43] <medeman> well, i know how to set it up
[22:43] <Sysi> should be pretty easy with osx
[22:43] <medeman> but it doesnt work
[22:43] <medeman> yea, i think the problem is that my router has 192.168.2.138 as ip
[22:43] <medeman> extends the network
[22:43] <medeman> i dunno
[22:43] <medeman> it worked earlier with the other router
[22:43] <medeman> i dunno how i did that
[22:44] <medeman> they can talk to each other locally, but the xubuntu cant talk to the internet
[22:44] <Sysi> hold shift when booting to get to grub menu
[22:45] <medeman> not with any os
[22:45] <medeman> and?
[22:45] <Sysi> then go to edit-mode and add "nomodeset" after quiet splash
[22:45] <medeman> on the installed system?
[22:45] <Sysi> and/or acpi=off
[22:46] <Sysi> yes
[22:46] <medeman> well, i have mandriva installed right now
[22:46] <medeman> im just installing xubuntu again
[22:46] <medeman> mandriva doesnt work
[22:46] <medeman> same problem there
[22:47] <medeman> oh i guess i made internetsharing work =)
[22:47] <medeman> oh no =(
[22:47] <medeman> i didnt
[22:47] <medeman> =(
[22:48] <medeman> however
[22:49] <medeman> if i boot with nomodeset
[22:49] <medeman> and it works
[22:49] <medeman> is there some way to connect to the internet via wifi Sysi ?
[22:49] <medeman> with a Tenda w541u v2.0 stick=
[22:49] <Sysi> from cli it's pretty hard
[22:49] <medeman> *?
[22:49] <medeman> cli?
[22:50] <Sysi> easy with GUI, without it hard
[22:50] <medeman> ah
[22:50] <mark76> Command Line Interface
[22:50] <medeman> and its hard to get to gui without the nvidia drivers without internet connection?
[22:51] <Sysi> try those boot options
[22:51] <Sysi> (can i go to bed now? 1am here)
[22:51] <mark76> SUre
[22:51] <mark76> Go ahead
[22:51] <mark76> :D
[22:53] <medeman> well, i really want to get that internet sharing on os x working
[22:53] <medeman> would make things a lot easier
[22:53] <medeman> yea ill do once installed again
[22:53] <medeman> well you can ;-) 12pm here
[22:53] <medeman> will we see us tomorrow?
[22:53] <medeman> so mark76 you will continue helping me?
[22:53] <medeman> good night Sysi maybe we'll see each other tomorrow
[22:53] <medeman> or today for you ;-)
[22:53] <Sysi> ##mac
[22:53] <Sysi> G'night
[22:53] <medeman> ah ty
[22:54] <mark76> I know nuzzink
[22:54] <medeman> night bye
[22:54] <mark76> Night Sysi