[06:57] <kvalo> morning
[08:05] <MacSlow> morning folks
[08:06] <RAOF> Howdie MacSlow
[08:06] <MacSlow> hey RAOF
[08:07]  * RAOF wonders how long gltext has had a per-frame memory leak without anyone noticing.
[08:09] <RAOF> Have a good weekend, MacSlow ?
[08:11] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:23] <kvalo> RAOF: I did notice the leak but didn't know the culprit :)
[08:24] <RAOF> Well, rejoice!  For I'm pretty sure I've just fixed it :)
[08:25] <kvalo> RAOF: nice!
[08:26] <RAOF> Turns out that if you calloc a vertex, normal, and texture array once per frame you should also be freeing it :)
[08:31] <kvalo> RAOF: hehe, no wonder my laptop with 4 GB of ram was on it nees after few hours :)
[08:32] <RAOF> A few hours?  I think it was leaking ~20MB/sec on mine :)
[08:33] <kvalo> never measured it
[08:37] <didrocks> kamstrup: hey, please do not set design tasks as invalid as the workflow set all unity tasks as invalid as well: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-place-applications/+bug/726711
[08:37] <kamstrup> didrocks: doh, sorry :-) just fixreleased then?
[08:37] <didrocks> kamstrup: for the design tasks? as you wish, New/Fix committed/Fix Released :)
[08:37] <didrocks> what makes the most sense
[08:38] <didrocks> all invalid/won't fix/opinion in the design task have an impact on the other tasks :)
[08:39] <didrocks> (also first time you fix committed/fix released a design tasks and you still have your unity bugs in incomplete -> they become triaged)
[08:40] <kamstrup> didrocks: ah, right, always remember, never forget, always remember, never forget
[08:40] <didrocks> kamstrup: :)
[08:43] <didrocks> argh, njpatel did the same :/
[08:43] <didrocks> hum… maybe we should just ignore the "invalid" state in ayatana-design
[08:49] <didrocks> kamstrup: invalid status in ayatana-design not synced anymore, have fun :)
[09:02] <kamstrup> didrocks: thanks man
[09:38] <wab> Hi, I have been unable to compile unity with utouch. Is it safe to remove the source for them to compile?
[09:38] <wab> As it seems they are only for multitouch
[09:51] <oSoMoN> njpatel, didrocks: why has bug #706247 become invalid?
[09:51] <oSoMoN> (trying to understand if it should be marked invalid in unity-2d too)
[09:53] <didrocks> oSoMoN: njpatel changed to invalid, the rest is my script doing its sync work (or not in that case :))
[09:54] <oSoMoN> didrocks: ah ok, I was puzzled by your last comments :)
[09:54] <didrocks> oSoMoN: it's related to our bug sync process :)
[09:55] <oSoMoN> njpatel: was the crash in the applications place daemon fixed, or does it just cope well with the crash and relaunches the daemon when requested?
[10:24] <njpatel> oSoMoN, copes well with the crash
[10:25] <oSoMoN> njpatel: ok, thanks, let’s see how well unity-2d copes with the same situation…
[10:26] <oSoMoN> uh, not so well
[10:50] <arlecchino92> hello!
[10:51] <arlecchino92> can i ask here why i have some problems in compiling unity on natty?
[10:59] <AndreaAzzarone> hi
[10:59] <AndreaAzzarone> can someone help me?
[11:23] <om26er> Hi! this open team https://launchpad.net/~unity-bugs seems to give access to anyone to change unity bug importance, dont't its intended?
[11:26] <didrocks> it's opened?
[11:26] <didrocks> om26er: please tell that to oubiwann when he's there
[11:27] <om26er> sure
[13:11] <jcastro> morning didrocks
[13:12] <jcastro> ronoc: you got a new mp from trevino over the weekend if I am guessing right?
[13:16] <jcastro> ronoc: nevermind I saw you merged it, thanks!
[13:19] <didrocks> hey jcastro
[13:19] <jcastro> howdy
[13:20] <jcastro> didrocks: there are some pending review branches, whom do I poke?
[13:21] <didrocks> jcastro: some are related to keybinding, MacSlow should be on it
[13:21] <didrocks> jcastro: I think there is one I'll take
[13:21] <jcastro> cool
[13:21] <didrocks> already poked people btw :p
[13:21] <jcastro> oh awesome, thanks!
[13:22] <jcastro> didrocks: do sometimes reviews show up as something on +activereviews for you but then when you click on them they show a different state on the mp page itself?
[13:22] <MacSlow> didrocks, atm I'm on different bugs... what in particular?
[13:23] <didrocks> jcastro: oh never noticed that
[13:23] <didrocks> MacSlow: there is a one line for keynav
[13:23] <didrocks> like with s/final index/final index -1
[13:46] <arlecchino92> hi!
[13:46] <arlecchino92> someone can help me?
[13:47] <jcastro> hi arlecchino92, what do you need?
[13:47] <arlecchino92> hi jcastro
[13:47] <arlecchino92> i have builded unity from sources
[13:48] <arlecchino92> but the application places
[13:48] <arlecchino92> and the file places
[13:48] <arlecchino92> doesn't work
[13:48] <arlecchino92> why?
[13:49] <jcastro> hmm not sure
[13:49] <jcastro> how long has it been broken?
[13:49] <jcastro> njpatel: around?
[13:49] <arlecchino92> when i compile from sources it never works
[13:50] <jcastro> hmm, maybe a step is missing
[13:50] <jcastro> what instructions are you following it to build it?
[13:50] <arlecchino92> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28470/how-do-i-build-unity-from-source/28472#28472
[13:51] <jcastro> hmm, those are up to date
[13:51] <jcastro> hang tight, maybe njpatel can help
[13:52] <jcastro> arlecchino92: thanks for submitting unity fixes so far!
[13:53] <njpatel> arlecchino92, copy /usr/share/unity/places/* to $prefix_you_installed_unity/share/unity/places/*
[13:53] <njpatel> and restart unity
[13:53] <njpatel> jcastro, please add that to the instructions, sorry I missed it ^
[13:54] <arlecchino92> jcastro thanks you
[13:54] <arlecchino92> njpatel, thanks
[13:55] <arlecchino92> what about this: https://code.launchpad.net/~arlecchino92/unity/fix-715711/+merge/52344
[13:55] <arlecchino92> ?
[13:55] <jcastro> we just repinged people to start reviewing branches now
[13:55] <jcastro> someone should get to it soon
[13:56] <njpatel> arlecchino92, did you forget to bzr add DevicesSettings?
[13:56] <arlecchino92> i have done: bzr add DevicesSettings.cpp
[13:57] <arlecchino92> and bzr add DevicesSettings.h
[13:57] <njpatel> weird, it's not in the diff, right?
[13:57] <arlecchino92> how can i resolve?
[13:58] <njpatel> arlecchino92, just run `bzr add src/DevicesSettings.*"
[13:58] <njpatel> and see what bzr says
[13:58] <njpatel> also, make sure you remembered to bzr commit and bzr push
[14:01] <arlecchino92> ok njpatel
[14:01] <arlecchino92> now it is uploading
[14:04] <arlecchino92> njpatel thanks a lot :)
[14:05] <jcastro> arlecchino92: hey so where in the instructions can I put that?
[14:06] <arlecchino92> jcastro: i don't understand the last sentence. I am not english sorry!
[14:06] <jcastro> it's ok I'll sort it
[14:09] <ronoc> jcastro, yup all good, saw the post on omg, lovely!
[14:09] <jcastro> :D
[14:17] <artfwo> I have prepared an mp, which fixes bug 730638 (built and tested), anybody willing to take a look?
[14:31] <arlecchino92> jcastro: maybe "sudo cp /usr/share/unity/places/* /opt/unity/share/unity/places/"
[14:31] <arlecchino92> and not
[14:31] <arlecchino92> cp /usr/share/unity/places/* /opt/unity/share/unity/places/
[14:31] <arlecchino92> right?
[14:31] <jcastro> ah, yep
[14:37] <pirast> is ubuntu unity a joke? i installed ubuntu netbook edition 10.10 and the performance is just poor.. how can this be published as a stable release?
[14:37] <pirast> or is there some trick to improve the performance of unity?
[14:41] <coz_> pirast,  well  in unity 11.04  compiz will take the place of mutter which is most likely on your 10.10 installation
[14:41] <coz_> pirast,  mutter is a hog last time I tried it so performance is  bad
[14:41] <pirast> coz_ isn't there any way to make 10.10 usable for me?
[14:42] <coz_> pirast,  not sure,, I have never used the 10.10 netbook edition
[14:42] <pirast> coz_ cause i actually dont want to use beta software on my netbook
[14:42] <coz_> pirast,  understood
[14:42] <coz_> pirast,  well...11.04 will be out near the end of April of this year
[14:43] <coz_> pirast,  if you want to talk about or just listen in on what is happening with it go to #ubuntu+1 channel
[14:46] <arlecchino92> jcastro e njpatel: now worsk fine!! :)
[14:46] <arlecchino92> *works
[14:47] <jcastro> woo hoo!
[14:53] <njpatel> sweet
[14:54] <htorque> hello everyone! using 'bzr pull' for nux and unity returns a "not a branch" error, but i can 'bzr branch lp:nux/lp:unity' without a problem - what's wrong?
[15:20] <pitti> hello all
[15:20] <kenvandine> hey pitti!
[15:20] <Omega> Hey!
[15:20] <pitti> tedg: design team asked us to add a link to gnome-control-center to the session menu; can I do this in g-c-c itself via installing/changing .desktop files, or is that only hardcoded?
[15:21] <tedg> pitti, What do you mean?  Where does the link go?
[15:22] <pitti> tedg: it should launch /usr/bin/gnome-control-center
[15:22] <pitti> and be called dgettext("gnome-control-center-2.0", "Control Center")
[15:23] <pitti> tedg: I tried adding a shortcut group to /usr/share/applications/gnomecc.desktop, but that doesn't work
[15:23] <tedg> pitti, I mean, where in the menu should it go?
[15:24] <tedg> pitti, Yeah, session menu isn't very intelligent.  Most of the work that was supposed to go on in it this cycle got bumped :-(
[15:24] <pitti> see bug 727823
[15:24] <pitti> tedg: John says "to the end, after a separator"
[15:24] <kenvandine> so before the logout?
[15:24] <pitti> he says after
[15:24] <kenvandine> pitti, i can do that if you like
[15:24] <tedg> pitti, Ah, okay.  That can actually be done with a desktop file :)
[15:25] <tedg> Though, it is a bit of an odd place to put it.
[15:25] <danyR> hey ayatana, what's the status on this? https://answers.launchpad.net/unity/+question/147623 I too have this question, workspace handling in unity is a total mess right now
[15:26] <kenvandine> tedg, oh, so it isn't all hard coded like indicator-me?
[15:26] <kenvandine> cool :)
[15:29] <pitti> tedg: is there an existing example for this?
[15:29] <tedg> pitti, Ubuntu Light ;)
[15:29] <tedg> pitti, Just a sec, let me find the name.
[15:32] <tedg> pitti, The desktop file: /usr/share/applications/indicator-session-extra.desktop will be tacked on the end of the session menu.
[15:32] <tedg> pitti, Probably not ideal for what you want, but it'll work.
[15:35] <pitti> tedg: ah, is that somewhere in bzr or on the web?
[15:36] <tedg> pitti, In bazaar
[15:37] <tedg> pitti, I'd like to make the feature more complete instead of being a "one magic desktop file" but haven't had time.  So I didn't want to advertise too much :)
[15:38] <kenvandine> tedg, did you see my IM about bug 725603
[15:38] <kenvandine> tedg, it wouldn't be monday morning if i didn't have something to harass you about
[15:39] <kenvandine> tedg, i would be pretty surprised if indicator-me was the only thing affected
[15:39] <tedg> kenvandine, I did, but I dont' think you replied which branch so the revision number isn't that useful.  I see the comments is in the bug so I can find that :)
[15:40] <kenvandine> tedg, fresh checkout of trunk with bzr log -n2
[15:40] <mainerror> hello
[15:40] <kenvandine> although there is a branch nick in the comment i made
[15:40] <kenvandine>     branch nick: proxy-test-fix
[15:40] <kenvandine> hello mainerror
[15:40] <pitti> tedg: sorry for my ignorance, but searching for "ubuntu light" doesn't reveal anything in Launchpad
[15:41] <seb128> pitti, tedg: it seems like you should use that trick but let it available for whoever needed it and just add the .desktop to the session indicator source
[15:41] <tedg> pitti, Oh, I thought you did that work with OEM?  That's the respin for quick start.  Not sure if it still exists.
[15:42] <mainerror> is Jason in here?
[15:42] <tedg> DBO, ^
[15:42] <DBO> yes
[15:42] <Omega> Unity should stop stealing focus, it gets in my way a lot. :<
[15:42] <DBO> yes I am
[15:42] <pitti> tedg: I was only involved for some days for boot speed improvements, but I didn't really get any special credentials for that
[15:42] <DBO> Omega, I am getting annoyed with that too
[15:43] <Omega> Everytime I tile I have to keep clicking on the window because if I move from the left to right unity steals focus.
[15:43] <Omega> Also, I love the tiling <3
[15:43] <Omega> (except for the minor bugs)
[15:43] <mainerror> oh hey there. Regarding this bitesize bug, the expo hide/unhide, you didn't mix that up right?
[15:44] <DBO> mainerror, no
[15:44] <mainerror> that means the launcher should be visible in expo mode and disregard windows which may trigger autohide?
[15:44] <DBO> mainerror, the launcher should be out when expo is active
[15:44] <Omega> Oh no, I just crashed compiz.
[15:44] <mainerror> ok cool
[15:45]  * mainerror reboots into Natty
[15:45] <tedg> pitti, Ah, I don't know if it exists somewhere in LP or not.  I'm just saying you'd know more about where to find it than I would ;)
[15:46] <kenvandine> tedg, maybe you have an example elsewhere?
[15:46] <pitti> tedg: ah, just looking at the code now; so it's just that one .desktop file, not a dir?
[15:47] <Omega> Alright, I've got a consistent way of crashing compiz, let me report it.
[15:47] <pitti> i. e. if we own that for Ubuntu then, it's not going to work for OEM any more
[15:47] <tedg> kenvandine, Nope :)
[15:47] <pitti> tedg: so perhaps I should instead patch the code to add control-center; then I can also use dgettext, etc.
[15:48] <tedg> pitti, Yes, that is true.  I'm not sure you'd want both though...
[15:48] <tedg> pitti, I'd rather we just patched it to use a directory of desktop files then, no?
[15:48] <pitti> tedg: sounds good
[15:48] <Omega> Where is the tiling code, I'd like to take a whack at it?
[15:49] <pitti> tedg: ok, I'll look into that and propose a branch then
[15:51] <pitti> seb128: I could just hardcode it in, but it doesn't seem much more difficult to add support for reading a directory?
[15:52] <seb128> pitti, right, out of the fact that we might not want to enable the indicator to turn in a stack of .desktop or allowing abuses to the items
[15:53] <pitti> well, I'll do whatever tedg likes more
[15:53] <seb128> pitti, handling a known .desktop is also different from handling random files users might put into the dir and might break your code
[15:53] <seb128> but i've no strong opinion either way, whatever is easier
[15:54] <tedg> pitti, In general, I prefer the directory approach.  But I'm worried about placement in that I don't think you'd want all the entries tacted on the end.  For instance, system settings at the bottom of that menu doesn't make sense.  It makes more sense to be above logout.
[15:54] <Omega> 'lo jono.
[15:55] <jono> hey Omega
[15:55] <Omega> I remember, I had something I wanted to show you!
[15:55] <Omega> Let me go find it.
[15:55] <pitti> tedg: mpt just added a comment as well; I guess I'll let the design guys fight this out first
[15:57] <tedg> pitti, Okay
[15:59] <danyR_> pitti: tedg not that my opinion is of value, but I think system settings should stay in the Me Menu, right next to "About Me...". gnome-shell does this, and it makes sense: system settings is mainly about how my computer works, the way I want it to work, so it should stay on the personal scope: the me menu.
[15:59] <pitti> danyR_: that's what I originally assumed as well indeed
[16:00] <pitti> but then John said "session"; so I'm in "wait for design decision" mode now
[16:03] <danyR_> pitti: right now the design is a bit different, but how Gnome-Sheel does it: http://www.waybeta.com/uploads/img/20100607/201006071026562642-0.png
[16:04] <pitti> danyR_: hm, that's a combined me/session menu, though
[16:06] <danyR_> pitti: as I said, the visual changed a bit in the meantime: it's all in the same menu, but About Me.., User status and System Settings clearly appear stacked together
[16:08] <kenvandine> pitti, there has been another comment, appears they agree again and it should go in session menu
[16:09] <pitti> *nod*
[16:12] <mterry> njpatel, hello!  alt+? doesn't activate items in the appmenu.  Is that a known issue that someone is working on, or is that bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-appmenu/+bug/663030 assigned to me?
[16:13] <Omega> pitti: danyR_: It doesn't fir the SessionMenu Rationale though https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SessionMenu
[16:13] <Omega> fit even
[16:26] <njpatel> mterry, I thought you were working on it? :/
[16:26] <njpatel> I've raised it a few times
[16:31] <mterry> njpatel, that bug above got assigned to me, but it was a low-signal-to-noise ratio and I just now figured out what the bug was talking about.
[16:31] <mterry> njpatel, I'm fine with working on it, just didn't want to duplicate efforts.  Sounds like I won't be
[16:31] <mpt_> MacSlow, hi, did Notify OSD length-dependent durations ever get implemented?
[16:31] <njpatel> mterry, awesome, thanks :)
[16:32] <MacSlow> mpt_, uff... ehm... I would have to look at the code... I can't recall atm
[16:33] <MacSlow> mpt_, but I'm still on unity-bugs and need to do code-reviews... so that would need to wait a bit
[16:33] <Omega> Hitting Super+A+A+A causes compiz to crash, I don't know if this is just compiz bug or if I should include unity too?
[16:34] <Daekdroom> Omega, no crash here
[16:34] <Daekdroom> But I'm using only 1 workspace
[16:35] <Daekdroom> Nevermind, just crashed it
[16:35] <mpt_> MacSlow, ok, no hurry
[16:42] <didrocks> Omega: try with the incoming new release, if it's still there, can you report it via apport?
[16:46] <Omega> I just reported it via apport.
[16:46] <Omega> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/730721
[16:46] <jcastro> hmm, I got "invisible box" over the weekend but can't seem to reproduce
[16:46] <Omega> (before you said to wait)
[16:48] <didrocks> there is no stacktrace, it won't be useful
[16:48] <lamalex> someone with autohide mind confirming this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/726846
[16:49] <Omega> didrocks: How do I get the stack trace? apport doesn't show up after the crash
[16:50] <jcastro> lamalex: done
[16:50] <didrocks> Omega: in that case you can ls -l /var/crash/*compiz*
[16:50] <lamalex> thanks jcastro
[16:50] <lamalex> you da man
[16:50] <didrocks> Omega: check that the timestamp is correct (ie it's not an old crash)
[16:50] <jcastro> lamalex: it should just be off
[16:50] <didrocks> Omega: if it is, remove it
[16:50] <didrocks> Omega: otherwise, apport-bug -c /var/crash/*compiz*
[16:50] <didrocks> Omega: but again, wait for next release now (in a couple of hours)
[16:50] <jcastro> lamalex: feel free to poke me for any multimonitor stuff
[16:51] <lamalex> sure
[16:51] <lamalex> thanks
[16:53] <Omega> didrocks: Heh, I keep missing you telling me to wait ): I added it, I'll wait and try again later though.
[16:53] <didrocks> Omega: ok, thanks :)
[16:53] <didrocks> Omega: in any case, it won't be retraced on time so will be invalid I'm afraid
[16:54] <Omega> Ah, that's fine, I don't mind doing it again.
[17:08] <artfwo> jcastro, njpatel thanks for merging that 2 branches. can I reuse them for further fixes or do I have to create a separate branch for every bugfix out there?
[17:08] <jcastro> new branch for each bug please
[17:08] <jcastro> just go like "fix-for-123456" or whatever
[17:09] <jcastro> woo lots of reviews today, we're really cooking
[17:09] <njpatel> artfwo, new branch would be good
[17:09] <njpatel> artfwo, thanks for the work :)
[17:09] <artfwo> well, I was thinking, if launchpad does have enough space for so many branches :)
[17:10] <njpatel> artfwo, that's sysadmin's problem :)
[17:11] <artfwo> it's real pity bubash.org is gone, I wish I could submit njpatel's last quote there :)
[17:18] <lamalex> ha bubash :P
[17:18] <lamalex> i miss the gnome do bubash plugin
[17:18] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/713632
[17:18] <lamalex> that was my favorite 20 minute hack of a plugin
[17:18] <jcastro> shouldn't this be fix committed?
[17:18] <lamalex> jcastro, yes
[17:19] <lamalex> fixe
[17:19] <lamalex> d
[17:19] <lamalex> :P
[17:19] <jcastro> ah I found 2 like that
[17:19] <jcastro> hey wait
[17:20] <jcastro> that fix is from feb, it should be released
[17:20] <Omega> Super+W is currently the keyboard shortcut for two different actions, should I report it as a bug?
[17:20] <kklimonda> there is a bug reported already
[17:20] <Omega> Ah
[17:20] <Omega> I searched but didn't find it.
[17:21] <jcastro> lamalex: ditto this one too right?
[17:21] <lamalex> for what one
[17:21] <kklimonda> Omega: bug 723273
[17:21] <Omega> Thanks.
[17:21] <jcastro> lamalex: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/713642
[17:23] <lamalex> jcastro, it is already marked fix committed (unless you just did that)
[17:23] <lamalex> which you did
[17:23] <jcastro> I did
[17:23] <lamalex> ok
[17:23] <jcastro> I think jason is marking them fixed committed
[17:23] <jcastro> and then forgetting to mark them released
[17:23] <jcastro> since these are from like february
[17:24]  * jcastro just steals the karma
[17:24] <jcastro> artfwo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/728598
[17:24] <jcastro> this one is free if you're looking for one to do!
[17:25] <artfwo> jcastro, will look into that, thanks
[17:37] <vish> jcastro: hey, do you happen to know any reason why we dont have the ubot5 announcing bug info here? (when bug link is pasted)
[17:37] <jcastro> no idea
[17:37] <vish> jcastro: right now, it only gives the info for bug# and not when we paste bug links, it seems we need to turn that on
[17:37] <jcastro> oh
[17:38] <vish> jcastro: is there isnt any reason we dont want it to?  (tsimpson said he can turn it on if wanted..)
[17:38] <Omega> I forget, when you open a hyperlink from another application, does the browser pop up, or does it stay in the background?
[17:38] <vish> s/isnt//
[17:38] <Omega> (not talking unity)
[17:39] <Omega> If I recall correctly, the browser foregrounds itself.
[17:45] <Omega> Hmm, it seems that the browser does not get focus, my bad!
[17:52] <vish> Omega: browser(FF4) gets focus here..
[17:52] <Omega> Hmm, mine doesn't.
[17:52] <Omega> Also fx4
[17:53] <Omega> And it annoys me because there is no fast way to switch to it.
[17:54] <vish> anyone have objections to turning on the bug info for bug links here?
[17:54] <Daekdroom> My browser stays in the background, if it's already open
[17:54] <vish> didrocks , lamalex ^ ?
[17:54] <lamalex> huh?
[17:54] <vish>  anyone have objections to turning on the bug info for bug links here?
[17:54] <lamalex> i dont know what that means
[17:54] <vish> :D
[17:55] <lamalex> so no :P
[17:55] <vish> lamalex: right now, ubot5 only gives the info for bug# and not when we paste bug links
[17:55] <vish> haha!
[17:55] <didrocks> no no, that will be nice!
[17:55] <vish> cool thx! i'll ask the op-s :)
[18:02] <Omega> Daekdroom: Ah, that may be why.
[18:04] <Daekdroom> why was bug #711982 tagged as a dupe?
[18:06] <vish>  https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/728598
[18:07] <vish> tsimpson: hmm, nope.. ^
[18:09] <tsimpson> https:/launchpad.net/bugs/728598
[18:09] <tsimpson> url-fail
[18:09] <tsimpson> https://launchpad.net/bugs/728598
[18:09] <Omega> https://launchpad.net/bugs/728598/
[18:09] <Omega> :<
[18:10] <Omega> So would firefox opening in the background when already opened and the foreground when not be a design bug?
[18:11] <tsimpson> @reload Bugtracker
[18:11] <vish> Omega: as i mentioned earlier, it works fine here, it comes to foreground, and as far i can remember it worked in FF3 too.  it wouldnt be a design bug but mostly a bug in you settings or something..
[18:11] <vish> your*
[18:12] <tsimpson> https://launchpad.net/bugs/728598
[18:12] <vish> Omega: maybe a conflict or old cruft settings..
[18:12] <Omega> vish: Daekdroom reports the same problem as me.
[18:12] <Omega> vish: Did you have firefox opened already?
[18:12] <vish> Omega: try in a guest session.
[18:12] <Omega> Alright.
[18:12] <vish> Omega: my Firefox is always open :D
[18:12] <Daekdroom> Omega, are you using never-hide launcher?
[18:13] <Daekdroom> Good lord, no developer has said a word about my bug report yet :(
[18:13] <vish> Daekdroom:  <Omega> (not talking unity)
[18:13] <Daekdroom> Oh.
[18:13] <Omega> vish: I asked what classic gnome did
[18:13] <Omega> I am using unity
[18:13] <Omega> I have dodge active window on
[18:13] <Daekdroom> bug #729392
[18:13] <vish> Omega: yup, and hence i mentioned it  :)
[18:14] <vish> Omega: thats how it works in classic, and last i tested Unity it worked that way, but now my natty is borked ;)
[18:15] <Omega> I will be trying it in a guest session now.
[18:17] <tsimpson> ubot5: reload Bugreacker
[18:18] <tsimpson> ubot5: reload Bugtracker
[18:18] <tsimpson> @reload Bugtracker
[18:18] <tsimpson> I simply can't type today
[18:18] <tsimpson> @reload Bugtracker
[18:18] <tsimpson> @load Bugtracker
[18:18] <Daekdroom> https://launchpad.net/bugs/728598/
[18:19] <tsimpson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/728598
[18:19] <tsimpson> I don't get it, ubottu and ubot5 run the same code, yet ubottu works fine
[18:20] <tedg> kenvandine, Can you try this?  lp:~ted/dbusmenu/i-love-the-ping-of-ken-in-the-morning
[18:21] <Omega> OK, that wasn't very fruitful, my windows weren't decorated.
[18:22] <jono> jcastro, any idea when the scrollbar patch is going to land?
[18:22] <jcastro> jono: kenvandine just had the call today
[18:22] <jcastro> kenvandine: ^
[18:23] <Omega2> Are undecorated windows a compiz or unity bug?
[18:23] <Daekdroom> Everytime they aren't decorated in here, I can fix it by reloading compiz
[18:24] <Omega2> But in my other session the windows are all decorated.
[18:24] <Daekdroom> 2 sessions = 2 different users?
[18:24] <Omega2> Daekdroom: Can you switch to a guest session for a minute and see if they are decorated?
[18:24] <Daekdroom> Doesn't that mean they run 2 different compiz processes?
[18:24] <Omega2> I'm not sure.
[18:26] <Omega2> compiz --replace did not fix the problem.
[18:26] <Daekdroom> Tried to start a guest session and all I can see is the wallpaper
[18:26] <jcastro> try unity --reset
[18:26] <jcastro> that's the big hammer
[18:26] <Daekdroom> Well, if I only could open a terminal in there
[18:26] <Daekdroom> or can I do it from my main session?
[18:27] <jcastro> ctrl-alt-t should work
[18:27] <jcastro> well, depends if that works, heh
[18:28] <Omega2> Still no go, I'm reporting this.
[18:28] <hytreem_> jcastro, can it be changed if I want to?
[18:28] <hytreem_> my current shortcut to a terminal is Super-T
[18:28] <jcastro> what, ctrl-alt-t?
[18:28] <Omega2> Daekdroom: I changed sessions from the session menu
[18:28] <jcastro> sure
[18:28] <Omega2> No, I can open everything.
[18:28] <Omega2> Unity works.
[18:28] <Omega2> Just my windows aren't decorated.
[18:29] <hytreem_> sure @ my question?
[18:29] <Omega2> Thankfully I can get around with keyboard shortcuts.
[18:29] <vish> hytreem_: you can change the from the keyboard shortcut settings
[18:29] <jcastro> hytreem_: it's in the keyboard shortcuts somewhere
[18:29] <hytreem_> ok cool
[18:29] <hytreem_> k
[18:29] <hytreem_> ty
[18:30] <Daekdroom> ALT+TAB crashes compiz/unity/whatever
[18:32] <Daekdroom> Oh look. A "Show Desktop" shortcut!
[18:32] <Daekdroom> (keyboard shortcut)
[18:36] <kenvandine> tedg, thx
[18:36] <kenvandine> :)
[18:36] <tedg> kenvandine, Well, make sure it works first :)
[18:36] <Omega> I have a question, what does your gdm logs contain?
[18:36] <kenvandine> tedg, don't worry, i always test your stuff :)
[18:37] <Omega> (He's saying you're not trustworthy!)
[18:37] <kenvandine> Omega, oh i trust tedg, and i know he never has bugs
[18:37] <kenvandine> :-D
[18:39] <Omega> didrocks: I found another compiz bug, should I refrain from posting it until the new version?
[18:39] <didrocks> Omega: yeah, wait on the new version should be available for you now
[18:40] <didrocks> Omega: of course, look at the duplicates as well first :)
[18:40] <Omega> Alright.
[18:40] <Omega> I always do that :)
[18:41] <Omega> Damn, someone posted it a few hours before me. :<
[18:45] <and471> mpt_, hehe, on your blog post [reading] you mention 'Symphony', a music player I am developing that no one has actually seen yet
[18:45] <and471> mpt_, spooky :)
[18:45] <mpt_> and471, blame ronoc, he gave me the list :-)
[18:46] <mpt_> and471, should I remove it then?
[18:46] <and471> mpt_, hehe that explains it, he helped me with an issue I was having
[18:46] <and471> mpt_, no no its no problem
[18:46] <and471> I just found it funny and had to do a double take :)
[18:47] <jcastro> didrocks: confused, are we release unity on mondays now? did something change?
[18:47] <didrocks> jcastro: can you backlog on #ubuntu-desktop should by… 10 lines? :)
[18:47] <didrocks> ujst*
[18:47] <didrocks> just
[18:47]  * didrocks can't typeeeee
[18:47] <nhaines> jcastro: Unity releases on Mondays now?  Okay, blogging that now.  :)
[18:47] <didrocks> nhaines: not the case :)
[18:48]  * nhaines kids, nhaines kids.  :)
[18:48] <jcastro> got it, ta
[18:48] <nhaines> Just had to ratchet up the temporary tension a little.  :)
[18:48] <didrocks> let's me sum up there
[18:48] <didrocks> basically, we have releases on thursday
[18:49] <didrocks> the week of an alpha/beta, we make a bugfix release on Monday, just before the milestone
[18:49] <kenvandine> jono, LO global menus are in the lo-menubar package
[18:49] <didrocks> then, we let people testing and enjoy the latest alpha/beta (no release on Thursday)
[18:49] <didrocks> then, release on next Monday (today in this case)
[18:49] <jono> thanks kenvandine
[18:49] <didrocks> and back to usual business on the following thursday (this one)
[18:50] <didrocks> no suprise on that btw -> https://launchpad.net/unity/3.0 :)
[18:50] <nhaines> Ooh!  Maybe I'll have to run updates today.  :)
[18:50] <jcastro> didrocks: ok so during alpha/beta release weeks we punt to a monday
[18:50] <jcastro> that's what you want to say. :)
[18:50] <didrocks> jcastro: right
[18:51] <jono> kenvandine, any idea when the scrollbar change is going to land?
[18:51] <didrocks> in fact, there is one additional release in total :)
[18:51] <didrocks> jono: I just updated the ppa
[18:51] <kenvandine> jono, bug 730740
[18:51] <nhaines> Hmm, I know that Friday I didn't get firefox-menubar until I manually installed it.  Should that be automatically installed at some point?
[18:51] <jono> cool :-)
[18:51] <didrocks> kenvandine: oh ken, if you are following that, you can handle updates and the package as well? :)
[18:51] <jono> nhaines, that is on by default now
[18:52] <didrocks> nhaines: recommends are sometimes not installed by default on upgrade… apt weirdness
[18:52] <kenvandine> didrocks, lets not get crazy here :)
[18:52] <kenvandine> didrocks, but we did discuss that in the meeting this morning
[18:52] <didrocks> kenvandine: well, seems you are the one following that :)
[18:53] <didrocks> so maybe should be on your plate ;)
[18:53] <didrocks> kenvandine: what was the outcome?
[18:53] <kenvandine> seb128 is going to review the gtk patch
[18:53] <kenvandine> to decide if we will try to do a ffe to get the gtk patch in
[18:53] <kenvandine> but it doesn't look like the module itself will go into natty
[18:53] <didrocks> well, the patch is not final at all in its state
[18:54] <didrocks> I've looked at it already for the ppa :)
[18:54] <ronoc> and471, good advanced promotion :)
[18:54] <kenvandine> didrocks, perhaps you should comment on that bug
[18:54] <kenvandine> so seb knows
[18:54] <didrocks> well… I already told that, I should maybe have been on the discussion following the project and doing the packaging…
[18:55] <didrocks> but again, I'm more than happy if you follow it and do the packaging, not like I have a life already :)
[18:56] <kenvandine> aruiz, any progress on lo-menubar?
[18:57] <aruiz> kenvandine, I'm still in the middle of implementing this new way of accessing some of the info I'm afraid
[18:57] <kenvandine> ok
[18:58] <kenvandine> just checking
[18:58] <aruiz> kenvandine, there's progress but atm I don't have anything I can release though
[19:00] <artfwo> jcastro, I came up with a solution to bug 728598, but I'm not sure if I have done it right. could you take a look at mp https://code.launchpad.net/~artfwo/unity/fix-for-728598/+merge/52459
[19:01] <vish>  https://launchpad.net/bugs/728598/
[19:01] <jcastro> artfwo: I'm not a hacker, I just make sure they look at your contributions.
[19:01] <vish> \o/
[19:01] <jcastro> DBO: ^^^
[19:01] <DBO> that one requires a special purpose hack
[19:01] <DBO> :)
[19:03] <artfwo> DBO, what do you mean by "special purpose"? :)
[19:04] <DBO> we need to special case the last element in the launcher to have a distended hit box towards the bottom
[19:05] <vish> like a bigger box for a smaller box ;p
[19:05] <artfwo> the last element or specifically trash?
[19:08] <DBO> artfwo, the last element
[19:08] <DBO> which will normally be the trash
[19:09] <Daekdroom> DBO, if it's a special case to the last element, it must always be the trash
[19:09] <Daekdroom> Otherwise, you'll have people dragging into a launcher, and then the file ends up in the trash
[19:09] <Omega> But isn't the trash always last?
[19:09] <artfwo> DBO, any pointers for where to start fixing it then? :)
[19:09] <DBO> okay one at a time
[19:09] <Daekdroom> Omega, he said "normally" :P
[19:09] <DBO> Daekdroom, what?
[19:10] <DBO> Omega, yes as far as I can tell, but the render and hit code does not enforce this, the model does
[19:10] <Daekdroom> DBO, if the patch is applied to work upon the last element of the launcher, then the last element must always be the trash
[19:10] <DBO> artfwo, search for the string "HitArea" in Launcher.cpp
[19:11] <artfwo> DBO, got it, thanks
[19:11] <DBO> Daekdroom, ah I understand your mistake now, you think I have any influence in design decisions
[19:12] <Daekdroom> DBO, haha
[19:12] <artfwo> DBO, but will the merge https://code.launchpad.net/~artfwo/unity/fix-for-728598/+merge/52459 remain revelant?
[19:12] <nhaines> Oh, that reminds me... the close/minimize/extend window controls in the Unity panel don't extend to the top pixel of the panel and it's driving my crazy.  :)
[19:12] <DBO> artfwo, looking
[19:12] <DBO> nhaines, file that as a bug and make sure to mentions "Fitt's law"
[19:12] <Omega> DBO: Do you know where the tiling code resides?
[19:12] <DBO> Omega, what tiling code?
[19:13] <Omega> Ctrl-Meta-numpad
[19:13] <nhaines> DBO: Will do!
[19:14] <DBO> artfwo, im not sure about that merge, it wont result in properly following design specification for push off hiding
[19:14] <DBO> Omega, Launcher.cpp
[19:15] <artfwo> DBO, then can I revert my branch to trunk somehow to start over?
[19:15] <DBO> bzr revert
[19:15] <DBO> unless you already committed
[19:15] <DBO> in which case you can check out a new branch :)
[19:15] <nhaines> The two words that lower my stress the most when I'm hacking!  :)  "bzr revert"
[19:15] <DBO> nhaines, not nearly as nice as bzr uncommit
[19:16] <artfwo> DBO, if I check a new branch and then push to the same ~artfwo/unity/fix-XXXXXX what happens?
[19:16] <DBO> shit, someone pushed before me, bzr uncommit; bzr pull; bzr commit; bzr push
[19:16] <DBO> hells yeah!
[19:16] <DBO> artfwo, overwrites it
[19:16] <DBO> you may have to give it a bzr push --overwrite when you push
[19:16] <DBO> but thats about it
[19:26] <mainerror> that expo bug gives me the headaches
[19:32] <nhaines> DBO: haha, I love bzr uncommit too.  :)
[19:46] <kenvandine> tedg, that branch seems to work well
[19:47] <tedg> kenvandine, Woot!
[19:48] <kenvandine> tedg, should i distro patch?
[19:48] <kenvandine> s/should/can i please/
[19:54] <kenvandine> tedg, i'll take your silence as an ack :)
[19:54] <tedg> kenvandine, Heh, sorry.  Yeah, sure.
[19:54] <tedg> kenvandine, I'm pretty confident after the third time we've fixed that original patch this should be it ;)
[19:54] <kenvandine> 3rd time is a charm
[19:55] <kenvandine> tedg, i still think the other indicator-me entry bug i have is dbusmenu
[19:55] <kenvandine> it doesn't get the signals right if the indicator is loaded before gwibber is running
[19:55] <kenvandine> but, if i manually clear the contents once... it works perfectly
[19:55] <kenvandine> not sure why...
[19:56] <Omega> Is there a way to flush the notify-osd buffer?
[19:59] <toros> hi
[20:00] <DBO> Omega, killall notify-osd
[20:00] <kklimonda> wow, Unity is so snappy before it leaks all this memory.. :)
[20:00] <toros> I read in Mark Shuttleworth' announcement that Unity will not require compositing in Oneiric. How will this be achieved? With the Qt based Unity, or will the Compiz based Unity run without compositing?
[20:01] <DBO> Qt based unity
[20:01] <lamalex> Is Alt+(menu shortcut) working for anyone?
[20:01] <toros> DBO: thank you!
[20:01] <toros> wow, that was a quick answer :)
[20:01] <lamalex> DBO,  is fast at everything he does
[20:02] <DBO> *everything*
[20:02] <DBO> yes, even that
[20:02] <lamalex> he typed everything in 0.1 seconds
[20:02] <lamalex> it was latency that slowed it down
[20:02] <Daekdroom> kklimonda, indeed.
[20:02] <Daekdroom> In natty, there are 4 or 5 memory-leaking processes.
[20:02] <lamalex> DBO, does Alt+F and so one work for you?
[20:03] <DBO> nothing works for me right now
[20:03] <lamalex> wonderful
[20:03] <DBO> but thats because my compiz is currently FUBAR
[20:03] <lamalex> jcastro, ?
[20:03] <kklimonda> btw, why is there a delay between pressing super and numbers showing up?
[20:03] <kklimonda> I tend to press super+number too fast, and end up with the dashboard, instead of switching application
[20:04] <Daekdroom> kklimonda, I think the delay is for when the launcher is hidden
[20:04] <Daekdroom> Speaking of the launcher, it's not disappearing :(
[20:04] <kklimonda> but a) it's not and b) i know which number corresponds to which launcher so this delay is frustrating
[20:05] <Daekdroom> I thought you were talking about them specifically showing up.
[20:06] <Daekdroom> But yeah, makes no sense. Super + number should work all the time.
[20:06] <apinheiro> MacSlow, you here?
[20:09] <lamalex> kklimonda, please file a bug on that
[20:09] <lamalex> it should recognize a fast super+# as different from a tap of super
[20:10] <lamalex> it does that so that the numbers don't show up when you tap super to get to the dash
[20:10] <lamalex> because it's ugly
[20:10] <lamalex> but when you learn super+1 for empathy or whatever, it should definitely work at breakneck speed
[20:11] <artfwo> DBO, got a moment to help me more with bug 728598? :)
[20:11] <DBO> artfwo, whats up>
[20:12] <artfwo> DBO, I try to hack MouseIconIntersection method to distend hovered items, but cannot do that
[20:13] <DBO> not what you want to do
[20:13] <DBO> void Launcher::UpdateIconXForm (std::list<Launcher::RenderArg> &args)
[20:13] <DBO> in that method
[20:13] <DBO> you need to find a way to make the last icon processed have its HitArea height touch the bottom of the screen
[20:14] <artfwo> looking, thanks for the heads-up
[20:43] <Omega> didrocks: And it doesn't happen, yay!
[20:50] <Daekdroom> Trivial question: why aren't there 3.6.1, 3.6.3 [...] unity releases?
[20:54] <Omega> What project is the top panel? The one that is used as a grip when windows are maximised?
[20:55] <Omega> Is that unity?
[20:55] <Daekdroom> Omega, unity-panel, part of unity, part of ayatana?
[20:55] <Daekdroom> unity-panel-service process.
[20:55] <Omega> Thanks.
[20:58] <lamalex> Omega, are you looking for the launchpad project?
[20:59] <lamalex> it's under unity on launchpad
[21:01] <Omega> Thanks.
[21:03] <lamalex> DBO, is folding threshhold defined in the launcher spec, or was that something you came up with in your implementation
[21:04] <DBO> its something I came up with
[21:04] <lamalex> ok
[21:04] <DBO> why?
[21:04] <DBO> its uhm... its a naughty bunch of math isn' t it?
[21:04] <lamalex> wanted to know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/728949 should have an ayatana-design task or just marked confirmed
[21:05] <Omega> DBO: I couldn't find the tiling code in Launcher.cpp :< (I was going to look at the maths and see if that was correct)
[21:05] <DBO> Omega, what tiling code?
[21:05] <lamalex> tilting?
[21:05] <Omega> The ones where you can change the window position and size easily
[21:06] <Omega> Ctrl-Meta-Numpad
[21:06] <DBO> O_o
[21:06] <DBO> I have to admit
[21:06] <DBO> I have no idea what you are talking about now
[21:06] <Omega> Try it
[21:06] <DBO> Omega, I thought you meant the ctrl+alt+f1
[21:06] <Omega> control-alt-6
[21:06] <DBO> Omega, my system is all sorts of fubar right now
[21:06] <DBO> Omega, do oyu maybe mean the grid plugin?
[21:06] <Omega> Yeah, that.
[21:07] <DBO> Omega, thats not part of the unity plugin at all
[21:07] <Omega> Oh, compiz plugin?
[21:07] <Daekdroom> I didn't know that existed o.o
[21:07] <Daekdroom> Looks like a very interesting tool
[21:07] <Omega> It's the most useful thing ever.
[21:07] <Omega> Except the unity focus bug gets in the way.
[21:18] <Omega> nhaines: I was reporting this bug :<
[21:18] <Omega> Don't steal my karma!
[21:20] <Daekdroom> Oh no D:
[21:20] <Daekdroom> Menus are disappearing for no reason
[21:20] <aruiz> tedg, about?
[21:21] <tedg> aruiz, Yup
[21:21] <jan_d> I became aware that unity aims towards a better touch interaction.
[21:21] <jan_d> Though being pretty new here
[21:21] <jan_d> I just want to ask if there is a good possibility to support
[21:21] <Daekdroom> Support what?
[21:21] <jan_d> the gestural UX
[21:21] <jan_d> of unity
[21:22] <aruiz> tedg, ah, nevermind, old version of libdbusmenu
[21:22] <aruiz> tedg, just updated
[21:22] <aruiz> :-)
[21:22] <aruiz> tedg, I was getting a nasty infinite loop on take_children
[21:22] <Daekdroom> Everytime I minimize liferea, its globalmenu becomes a "File" only :(
[21:22] <tedg> aruiz, Oh no!  Now you realize I can go back in time and fix your bugs!  ;)
[21:22] <tedg> Daekdroom, Yup, there's a fix in appmenu-gtk for that.
[21:23] <Daekdroom> tedg, my system is up-to-date
[21:23] <aruiz> tedg, There's a fix in appmenu is the new There's an app for that
[21:23] <tedg> Daekdroom, Natty?
[21:23] <Daekdroom> tedg, yep
[21:24] <tedg> Daekdroom, apt-cache policy appmenu-gtk
[21:24] <Daekdroom>   Instalado: 0.1.95-0ubuntu1  Candidato: 0.1.95-0ubuntu1
[21:25] <tedg> Daekdroom, Hmm, that's odd.  I have that very as well and Liferea definitely works for me.
[21:25] <tedg> Daekdroom, Have you restarted Liferea since upgrading?
[21:25] <Daekdroom> It's affecting pretty much everything
[21:25] <Daekdroom> I have rebooted since upgrading.
[21:26] <tedg> You can see if it's emitting menus by installing libdbusmenu-tools and then running /usr/lib/libdbusmenu/dbusmenu-dumper and clicking on the window.
[21:28] <Daekdroom> tedg, yep, it is.
[21:28] <Daekdroom> I can fix it by killing unity-panel-service
[21:30] <Omega> nhaines: Oh, nevermind, I misread what you said :P
[21:33] <tedg> Daekdroom, That interesting.  You should probably file a bug on that, try to get as much information as possible to recreate it in the fewest steps.
[21:33] <Daekdroom> tedg, like what, minimize an application and what it lose its menu?
[21:33] <tedg> Daekdroom, Every application?  What window manager?
[21:33] <Daekdroom> Compiz + Unity, of course, and looks like every application
[21:34] <Omega> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/730933
[21:34] <Daekdroom> but I'll wait for the 3.6.2 update to hit the repos before reporting
[21:34] <Omega> Can someone confirm this?
[21:40] <Daekdroom> How badly will stuff break if I use unity 3.6.2 with libunity 3.6.0?
[21:41] <aruiz> Daekdroom, you'll only know if you try
[21:44] <Daekdroom> Well, apparently 3.6.0 was never released and I been using 3.4.6 all the time.
[21:57] <nhaines> I think when no menus are available, the Unity panel shouldn't fade out the application name when the mouse moves over it.  Is it useful to file a bug on that?
[21:57] <Daekdroom> Looks a reasonable bug.
[21:57] <Daekdroom> Some applications never use menus
[22:00] <lamalex> DBO, is there an opacity setting for the panel??
[22:01] <DBO> in ccsm
[22:01] <DBO> works over, back later :)
[22:02] <Omega> Cya!
[22:10] <Daekdroom> There we go, found a bug.
[22:10] <Daekdroom> If Pidgin is maximized in another workspace, indicators won't tell me I received a new message.
[22:15] <|Omega> Daekdroom: We're bug reporting machines.
[22:15] <Daekdroom> I gave up on reporting everything I see
[22:27] <Amaranth> nhaines: The File->Exit menu option is always available though (afaik it does the same as the Force Quit of an unresponsive application)
[22:33] <nhaines> Amaranth: I don't see File > Exit in, for example, the Ubuntu One control panel.
[22:33] <Amaranth> nhaines: weird, I get it for chromium and when the bug were it forgets the window has a menu happens
[22:33] <nhaines> Amaranth: might be some chromium voodoo.  :)
[22:34] <Amaranth> nhaines: Now I don't know if your situation is a bug or mine
[22:34] <Amaranth> Or maybe I just haven't restarted compiz in a few days
[22:34] <nhaines> Okay, I'll make a note to file a bug for that later.
[22:34] <nhaines> ha
[22:37] <Amaranth> oh, another unity update
[22:37] <Amaranth> once that downloads I'll see if chromium still gets a menu
[22:37] <RAOF> Will this stop the decorator crashing all the time? :)
[22:37] <Amaranth> RAOF: That would be compiz
[22:38] <Amaranth> which has also been updated since I last run apt-get update
[22:41] <Daekdroom> I'ma revert libdbusmenu to see if it's what causes the problem with minimized window's menus
[23:57] <Daekdroom> Has anyone reported the appmenu trouble with minimized applications?