[00:49] <dasen1> Hi guys, can anyone give me their sources.list file to compare with mine, because for some reason unity isn't getting updated when I do a 'sudo apt-get update' and then 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[01:16] <OsakaFoo> Hey just install Ubuntu 11.04 and would like to use gnome not unity, how do I change it?
[01:17] <Daekdroom> OsakaFoo, in login screen, change Ubuntu Desktop Edition at the bottom to Classic Gnome or something like that.
[01:17] <OsakaFoo> oh yeh, forgot about the login screen ^_^ its auto login atm
[01:17] <OsakaFoo> thanks, i'll give that a shot
[01:19] <OsakaFoo> that worked, now gnomes theme seams to have exploded
[01:28] <cjohnston> What's the file that needs to be removed to kinda reset the video settings? My lappy is running +1 and has a two inch black bar on each side of the screen
[01:30] <ChogyDan> cjohnston: /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[01:30] <Daekdroom> That file is not even used by default
[01:30] <Daekdroom> I don't think it's gonna fix your problem
[01:30] <cjohnston> I don't even have that file.
[01:31] <Daekdroom> Like I said, it's not used by default (anymore)
[01:31] <cjohnston> yup
[01:31] <Daekdroom> To be honest, there is no file you have to remove to reset the settings.
[01:31] <cjohnston> :-/
[01:33] <cjohnston> Daekdroom: anything I can do to set it back to normal?
[01:36] <Daekdroom> cjohnston, no clue =/
[01:37] <dasen> Hi guys, can anyone give me their sources.list file to compare with mine, because for some reason unity isn't getting updated when I do a 'sudo apt-get update' and then 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'?
[01:38] <cjohnston> dasen: what version of unity are you running?
[01:38] <cjohnston> I haven't had an update in a few days now
[01:41] <dasen> cjohnston: I don't know what version it is, how do I check?
[01:42] <cjohnston> aptitude show unity
[01:43] <dasen> 3.1.3-0ubuntu2
[01:45] <Daekdroom> That's kinda old
[01:45] <Daekdroom> We're in 3.6.something
[01:46] <dasen> Yeah, that's why I think maybe something's wrong with my sources.list
[01:46] <Daekdroom> pastebin it
[01:46] <dasen> I'm gonna paste them in a paste bin and give u the link to it
[01:49] <dasen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/576757/
[01:50] <kklimonda1> dasen: show apt-cache policy unity
[01:51] <dasen> unity:
[01:51] <dasen>   Instalado: 3.1.3-0ubuntu2
[01:51] <dasen>   Candidato: 3.1.3-0ubuntu2
[01:51] <dasen>   Tabela de Versão:
[01:51] <dasen>  *** 3.1.3-0ubuntu2 0
[01:51] <dasen>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/unity/ppa/ubuntu/ natty/main amd64 Packages
[01:51] <dasen>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[01:51] <dasen>      0.2.46-0ubuntu5 0
[01:51] <dasen>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty/main amd64 Packages
[01:52] <kklimonda1> dasen: and what's the result of sudo apt-get update ?
[01:53] <kklimonda1> it looks like you have an error in sources.list
[01:53] <kklimonda1> the last line has only d
[01:53] <dasen> that last line with the d was a paste error
[01:54] <dasen> the sources.list doesn't have it
[01:55] <dasen> here's the output of 'sudo apt-get update'
[01:55] <dasen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/576760/
[01:57] <kklimonda1> can you remove both ppas that fail to download and run apt-get update again?
[02:03] <dasen> that was it!!!
[02:04] <dasen> apt-get update wasn't functioning correctly!!
[02:04] <dasen> because of the failled ppa's!
[02:20] <dasen> thanks guys ^_^
[03:05] <victory747> I have an Nvidia FX 5200 card, and have been having troubles getting unity (3D) to work with the nouveau driver.
[03:08] <trism> victory747: did you install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental?
[03:08] <victory747> is that from the standard repos, or experimental repos?
[03:08] <trism> victory747: standard repos
[03:08] <victory747> libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental	7.10.1~git20110215.cc1636b6-0ubuntu2
[03:09] <trism> victory747: it is in universe
[03:09] <victory747> It's in.
[03:09] <trism> victory747: then I don't know
[03:09] <Daekdroom> I'd check if the nouveau experimental 3D support covers that card. It's kinda old.
[03:10] <victory747> Unity 2D is working (although buggy).
[03:10] <Daekdroom> Unfortunately, #nouveau has no 3D support.
[03:10] <victory747> Compiz effects work with the classic desktop with this card and nouveau.
[03:10] <victory747> What? I thought nouveau was a 3D driver.
[03:10] <Daekdroom> It's a 2D driver.
[03:11] <Daekdroom> The Gallium3D nvidia state tracker that you can use with it is still experimental
[03:11] <Daekdroom> and there is no support for it.
[03:11] <Daekdroom> even in the #nouveau channel
[03:12] <victory747> oh, I see. So basically i need to wait for nvidia to release the 173 driver for the latest xorg.
[03:13] <Daekdroom> Indeed.
[03:13] <Daekdroom> after installing the libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental package, run glxinfo | grep OpenGL in a terminal and pastebin the output, please.
[03:14] <Daekdroom> It might happen that you do have 3D support, but given how recent the code is, it's still not ready to run Unity
[03:18] <victory747> http://pastebin.com/zdm6jFBC  (but there are only four lines)
[03:18] <Daekdroom> Yeah, the usual 4 lines that command outputs
[03:18] <Daekdroom> and it seems you do have 3D support.
[03:18] <victory747> glxgears runs
[03:19] <victory747> like I said, the compiz effects (wobbly windows) works on classic desktop, so I assume 3D support is working
[03:19] <victory747> but unity doesn't launch. things seem to crash
[03:19] <Daekdroom> Compiz relies mostly on compositing.
[03:19] <Daekdroom> It must be lacking a OpenGL instruction, no surprise there.
[03:20] <victory747> Is this something that should be reported, or do I just need to wait?
[03:21] <Daekdroom> As far as I know, you shouldn't report against libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental because that package is not supported
[03:21] <Daekdroom> and the 3d support for nouveau will slowly progress anyway
[03:22] <victory747> ok, so I guess it's back to the proprietary drivers for 3D support.
[03:22] <victory747> Thanks for your help.
[04:32] <frybye> hi - just upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04 on a pc with dual boot win7 64x and ubuntu - the new grub does not offer win7 as a boot option - how to fix please.. need in detail because not so much linux background knowledge..
[04:33] <frybye> - perhaps to explain - I have other pc so knew that the risk of problems with this was not so decisive.. need to get access back to win7 though..
[04:35] <frybye> Hi - following ? not getting response on #ubuntu+1 but the soloution to this would be common to any ubuntu I guess.. here is the ?:hi - just upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04 on a pc with dual boot win7 64x and ubuntu - the new grub does not offer win7 as a boot option - how to fix please.. need in detail because not so much linux background knowledge..
[07:38] <donniezazen> Hi
[08:02] <Severian> Howdy.  I reported a bug for alpha 3.  Somebody moved my bug from being listed as afftecting the installer, which is correct.  They moved it to say it is a virtualbox problem.  It does show up installing in virtualbox, but it shows up installing on a real computer, too.  How do I get it moved back?  It is bug 728775.
[12:08] <edgy> Hi, I installed natty in a new PC and cannot view any flash though flashplugin-installer is installed, what's missing?
[12:24] <Guest6608> hi guys, my question may be classical: in 11.04, can I use gnome shell instead of unity?
[12:32] <Guest6608> no one? i am a bit lost: gnome 3 or unity. and the 11.04 able to use gnome-shell... cause i read unity is more user friendly more no power users, it s more tactile orientated...
[12:33] <Guest6608> but if i don t care about this?
[12:33] <Guest6608> what should I do?
[12:33] <Pici> Guest6608: Ubuntu still uses GDM, so you can select wich desktop environment you want by using the 'Sessions' selector at the login screen.
[12:34] <Guest6608> Pici, thanks. So from gdm in 11.04 i can choose unity or gnome-shell?
[12:35] <Pici> Guest6608: If you have gnome-shell installed, yes.
[12:35] <Guest6608> ok this solves everything!
[12:35] <Guest6608> and do you use a magic trackpad?
[12:35] <Guest6608> (i like this one)
[12:36] <Guest6608> cause i read 10.10 support was not as good as 10.04 ,... i d like to know what is about 11.04...
[12:37] <Guest6608> oh: and in order to install gnome-shell, i must apt!get it. But then, is the gnome-shell –replace command needed?
[12:37] <Guest6608> or will it be just a choice from gdm and "basta"?
[12:38] <Pici> I'm not sure, sorry.
[13:52] <brobostigon> good afternoon, 730099 just happened again, running unity, only weird thing i had open was chromium.
[13:53] <brobostigon> this is getting frustrating.
[13:54] <brobostigon> and i have reported it over to the guys and gals in #ubuntu-x
[13:55] <IdleOne> bug 730099
[13:56] <brobostigon> i dont know what else to do.
[14:01] <brobostigon> bug updated, with info about last lockup.
[14:09] <Ian_Corne> did anyone else's networkmanager applet break?
[14:10] <brobostigon> yes, it dies every so often, and you just have to restart it,
[14:10] <Ian_Corne> any idea how? it doesn't even start for me :)
[14:10] <brobostigon> alt + f2 , and nm-applet
[14:12] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[14:12] <brobostigon> it works.
[14:12] <Ian_Corne> I just migrated disk drives
[14:12] <brobostigon> ah.
[14:12] <Ian_Corne> I think I have some permission issues
[14:13] <brobostigon> :(
[14:13] <Ian_Corne>   Error: (9) Connection ":1.161" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings" due to security policies in the configuration file
[14:16] <Ian_Corne> wonder how I can fix most of my permission errors..
[14:17] <brobostigon> idont know much about NM, sorry.
[14:18] <Ian_Corne> don't think it's just nm
[14:18] <Ian_Corne> everything seemed to have gone to root:root
[14:19] <brobostigon> hmm, not good.
[14:30] <brobostigon> anyone i can prod, to get 730099 fixed?
[14:31] <brobostigon> kindly prod*
[14:40] <brobostigon> anyone got a eeepc 900 ssd, with the gpu in 730099, with natty, with all recent updates,who can confirm such a bug exists please.
[14:44] <Trewas> brobostigon: there are quite a few bugs reported matching "i915gm gpu lockup"
[14:46] <brobostigon> Trewas: when i reported it, there was no bug matching it, so i made a new one. all the others were different.
[14:47] <Trewas> brobostigon: yeah, no idea if the same bug could cause different esr/ipehr numbers... fwiw my thinkpad x41 was also crashing in i915gm, but I didn't bother to report it
[14:48] <brobostigon> Trewas: so do you get the same "gpu lockup" error when it happens in dmesg?
[14:50] <edgy> Hi, I installed natty in a new PC and cannot view any flash though flashplugin-installer is installed, what's missing?
[14:50] <Trewas> brobostigon: yes, I don't remember whether the esr/ipehr numbers were the same as in the older bug reports
[14:51] <Trewas> and that computer is currently updating to win7 sp1, and will be for a few hours from the looks of it so I can't check :)
[14:51] <brobostigon> Trewas: ok, maybe you couldfind out aput somesupport one it, so we canget it fixed, please.
[14:51] <brobostigon> edgy: which browser are you using?
[14:54] <edgy> brobostigon: I tried both firefox and chrome
[14:55] <brobostigon> edgy: in chrome and FF, open a new tab, and have a look on about:plugins and see if it mentions flash,
[14:56] <edgy> brobostigon: I don't have the pc now but I will check. Let's say i didn't found the plugin, what's the solution?
[14:58] <brobostigon> edgy: if it doesnt mention flash, that means both FF and chrome cant see flash is there.
[14:59] <brobostigon> edgy: i remember severalsolutions inthe past, but i am noyt the man to ask.
[14:59] <brobostigon> sorry
[15:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[15:14] <brobostigon> afternoonings BluesKaj
[15:14] <BluesKaj> morning brobostigon
[15:15] <BluesKaj> my older 6yrold pc doesn't run the new kernel at all
[15:16] <brobostigon> :(
[15:16] <brobostigon> BluesKaj: is it possibleto install an oldstyle kernel. like we had before?
[15:18] <BluesKaj> brobostigon, well, I had to revert the older pc to 10.10 , but the new kernel was also installed (must be an upgrade) , so it still wouldn't boot the new one..I removed it and now all seems ok so far
[15:19] <brobostigon> BluesKaj: ah, i see, weird.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> the limitations of perfectly good pcs just because they have older HW :(
[15:20] <brobostigon> agreed.
[15:21] <BluesKaj> I hate to admit it , but it runs very well with W7
[15:22] <patdk-wk> you didn't happen to attempt a -pae enabled kernel on a non-pae cpu?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> patdk-wk, pae? , not familiar with that term
[15:27] <patdk-wk> enables memory >4gigs on 32bit cpu's
[15:29] <BluesKaj> patdk-wk, 2g RAM, 64bit amd cpu - venice 3200+ ,and I had to use the alternate install , because the live-cd wouldn't get past plymouth
[15:30] <patdk-wk> your using 64bit kernel?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> yes, 	 thought I'd try it for a change..was using 32bit previously , but the pc still needed the alternate to install 10.04 and 10.10
[15:32] <BluesKaj> 32bit
[15:37] <BluesKaj> maybe the nvidia graphics 7600gt ranks the pc higher up the foodchain somehow and tries to install kernels that will run with that card but not the rest of the HW....dunno for sure , that logic also seems flawed , so I really can't figure it.
[15:39] <bjsnider> the only difference in terms of kernels would be if you have decided to use i386 but have 4gb or more RAM then you get the pae kernel so you can use the extra ram. otherwise everybody has the same kernel. even the pae change is trivial
[15:43] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, the kernel that itdoes run on is 2.6.36-22 , it upgraded to 2.6.36.-27, but failed to boot , so after 3 tries at repair broken pkges , and restarting X and kdm, I removed the new kernel and settled for the first one that installed
[15:47] <bjsnider> you have broken packages?
[15:48] <edgy> brobostigon: np, I will check that and report back later today
[15:49] <brobostigon> edgy: ok, :)
[15:50] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, not anymore , it kept trying to fix some libs that had broken depends , but failed
[15:59] <BluesKaj> hey genii-around , take the plunge ?
[15:59] <BluesKaj> ok, news ...bbiab
[16:00]  * genii-around thinks about a swimming pool of coffee
[16:03] <genii-around> BluesKaj: If you mean a dist-upgrade for today I'm doing it right now
[16:08] <BluesKaj> genii-around, it should go ok , if your pc isn't to old...this pc is 3 yrs old and natty seems fine so far , afew flash crashes here and there , but nothing unexpected
[16:09] <Daekdroom> My PC is about 3 months old and I get flash crashes too :p
[16:09] <BluesKaj> my old amd compaq single core 64bit venice cpu can't handle the new 110.04 kernel(s)
[16:10] <BluesKaj> rr 11.04
[16:10] <Daekdroom> BluesKaj, is it the PAE kernel or the generic x86 one?
[16:11] <BluesKaj> it would be the generic, it's only got 2G ram
[16:11] <Daekdroom> Not necessarily.
[16:11] <Daekdroom> The PC I had before this had only 1G RAM and it installed the PAE kernel anyway
[16:12] <BluesKaj> well, dunno much about pae , my understanding is if the installer detects more than 4Gram it installs the pae
[16:13] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, how can you tell what's pae and what isn't
[16:13] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:14] <Daekdroom> CPU-wise?
[16:14] <BluesKaj> kernelwise
[16:14] <brobostigon> uname -a
[16:14] <brobostigon> spits out the kernel present.
[16:14] <Daekdroom> for example: Linux marcos-p6645br 2.6.38-5-generic-pae #32-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 22 17:48:56 UTC 2011 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
[16:15] <BluesKaj> what's the indicator that the kernel is pae ?
[16:15] <enli> Is anybody able to run globalmenu (from google code)? Indicator appmenu has a memory leak.
[16:15] <brobostigon> BluesKaj: is says so, in the kernel type.
[16:15] <Daekdroom> enli, the bug has been reported
[16:15] <brobostigon> BluesKaj: like in Daekdroom's example.
[16:15] <Daekdroom> enli, it affects indicator-appmenu in GNOME2 and unity-panel-service in Unity.
[16:15] <Daekdroom> I can try finding the bug # in here
[16:15] <enli> Daekdroom: Ahh, sounds promising!
[16:16] <enli> No updates since last 2-3 days though.
[16:16] <BluesKaj> wel, I've never seen -pae in any kernels on either pc here
[16:16] <Daekdroom> bug #722972
[16:17] <BluesKaj> Linux Media-Server 2.6.38-5-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 22 16:09:46 UTC 2011 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
[16:17] <BluesKaj> this pc ^
[16:18] <Daekdroom> Preposterous. I made a bug report 3 days ago and no developer has confirmed or invalidated it :P
[16:19] <enli> Daekdroom: My global menu not the appmenu from ubuntu used to work, but after adding gnome3 ppa and installing some gnome package which overwrote some file, it no longer works. I have already tried purging gnome3 ppa and reinstalling/reconfiguring the packages those were installed. Do you have any idea by chance which file it might be?
[16:20] <Daekdroom> No idea.
[16:20] <brobostigon> anyone here have an eeepc or other machine with natty, who can confirm 730099, please.
[16:20] <BluesKaj> bbl, gonna work on the den-pc, I'll rejoin from there
[16:20] <Daekdroom> bug #730099
[16:29] <charlie-tca> Unity seems rather less than intuitive for the new user. How do they find anything not in the launcher panels/dock/etc?
[16:30] <Daekdroom> charlie-tca, click the ubuntu icon at the top
[16:31] <charlie-tca> Okay, I now have eight things I can use
[16:31] <charlie-tca> I don't really want more apps, I just want to add a user
[16:32] <charlie-tca> Seems to rather a difficult thing to find, not having used this before
[16:32] <Daekdroom> Find More Apps
[16:32] <Daekdroom> then you'll see a menu to select which kind of apps you want, next to the box in which you can search for apps
[16:32] <Daekdroom> Select "system" or something like that
[16:32] <charlie-tca> that makes no sense. I don't need apps
[16:32] <Daekdroom> File a bug, then.
[16:32] <Daekdroom> *bug report
[16:33] <Daekdroom> But that's how you do it currently o.o
[16:33] <charlie-tca> Sorry, being difficult, but this is not okay for new users to have to try and find crap
[16:33] <Daekdroom> No biggie. It's being such a let down for me lately.
[16:33] <Daekdroom> All these bugs :(
[16:35]  * genii-around finishes update and reboots
[16:40] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[16:41] <s0u][ight> firefox from the sidedock doesn't launch, but from terminal there are no problems
[16:45] <erAbuelo> buenas tardes
[17:27] <nlsthzn> the new bar to the right, any way to make it stay (once any application I use forces it to hide all other applications also go full screen and the bar stays hidden the whole time) - annoying?
[17:30] <Daekdroom> nlsthzn, do you have ccsm installed?
[17:30] <Daekdroom> You can make it never hide.
[17:31] <nlsthzn> Daekdroom: hmm, I do think I installed it ... so there is no shortcut key to re-size a maximised windows to fit and have the bar visible?
[17:31] <Daekdroom> nlsthzn, nope, the only way to do that is have every application not maximized.
[17:32] <Daekdroom> so the best way is indeed making the launcher never hide
[17:32] <nlsthzn> k... will give it a go and see how it works for me... cheers :)
[17:33] <Daekdroom> nlsthzn, the parameter you're looking for is under Ubuntu Unity Plugin, btw
[17:33] <Daekdroom> "Hide Launcher" > Never
[17:34] <nlsthzn> k, got it... cheers :)
[17:38] <nlsthzn> Daekdroom: :/ that didn't work so well, after about 3 minutes all of the windows went full screen again, but was stuck behind the launcher bar which stayed showing :(
[17:41] <Daekdroom> nlsthzn, that's something I see everytime I change the launcher configuraton
[17:41] <Daekdroom> *configuration
[17:41] <Daekdroom> It ceases to happen after restarting the session.
[17:42] <nlsthzn> Daekdroom: is that another way to say reboot? :p
[17:42] <Daekdroom> nlsthzn, not reboot, restarting the session ;)
[17:43] <nlsthzn> sudo init 1 :D
[17:43] <nlsthzn> it restarts
[17:43] <Daekdroom> I was talking about logging off and going back to GDM.
[17:44] <nlsthzn> ah, ok log on log off, check :D
[17:46] <nlsthzn> cool, logged out, logged in ... now to see :D
[18:01] <nlsthzn> any news when the new scroll bars will be implemented (they look uber sweet)?
[18:28] <Mkaysi> <3 Unity 2D.
[18:28] <Mkaysi> This is so stable when compared to Unity 3D.
[18:28] <Mkaysi> Oh, sorry wrong channel.
[18:29] <nlsthzn> lol
[18:59] <HerrBert> networkmanager is crashing all the time, but I can not do a bug report, because it says the diagnosis packages are not installed, but I can not find any diagnosis packages fpr network manager... can u help?
[19:05] <HerrBert> networkmanager is crashing all the time, but I can not do a bug report, because it says the diagnosis packages are not installed, but I can not find any diagnosis packages for network manager, can u help?
[19:09] <HerrBert> is dbus-1-dbg the right package to get traces, since network-manager is "started" or very related to dbus?
[19:11] <charlie-tca> You do not have to have an strace to submit a bug report, does apport give you a "file report" ?
[19:13] <HerrBert> someone answered my question yet?
[19:13] <charlie-tca> You do not have to have an strace to submit a bug report, does apport give you a "file report" ?
[19:14] <HerrBert> no, it just provides me with a link to the "getting traces" page
[19:16] <charlie-tca> If yo add the repositories, there is a network-manager-dbgsym package for debug symbols
[19:17] <HerrBert> which do I have to add?
[19:17] <HerrBert> and where?
[19:17] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[19:17] <charlie-tca> under number 1, do echo "deb http://ddebs.ubuntu.com $(lsb_release -cs) main restricted universe multiverse" |
[19:17] <charlie-tca> sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ddebs.list
[19:18] <charlie-tca> that will add the repository with the dgbsym packages for debug symbols
[19:18] <HerrBert> mkay
[19:22] <zniavre_> good evening
[19:23] <zniavre_> i f i want to try unity (3d) i need proper computer/video driver right ? does nvidia 173.14.xx are ok? does "nouveau" make unity (3d) working?
[19:23] <nictrasavios> Why did they go with unity?
[19:23] <nictrasavios> Seriously.... Im using it now.... it horrible. I can't do anything. The terminal is horribly hard to find :(
[19:24] <nlsthzn> super key + type term... terminal... not that hard :)
[19:24] <charlie-tca> use Ctrl+Alt+t to find it easy
[19:24] <nlsthzn> even better
[19:24] <nictrasavios> Ya but newbies dont know it
[19:24] <nictrasavios> think of end users
[19:24] <nictrasavios> going from gnome to unity
[19:25] <nictrasavios> users who are.... well ex-windows end users.
[19:25] <charlie-tca> Use this to find the shortcuts - http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/keyboard-shortcuts-in-unity/28087#28087
[19:25] <nictrasavios> Oh i know i know, im talkin about people who dont even know how to get x-chat let alone figure out shortcuts.
[19:26] <charlie-tca> going from gnome to unity is not different than going from gnome to kde or xfce, you still learn different ways to do the same thing
[19:26] <HerrBert> when adding the repositories I get many 404's when doing apt-get update
[19:26] <charlie-tca> Yo added one, right, not all 4?
[19:26] <nictrasavios> But some people like gnome, theve used it for years, there gonna hate ubuntu for this, they might even switch distrobutions, software consistancy is a major selling point for an OS.
[19:27] <mhall119> nictrasavios: people who don't know how to get x-chat need a quick way to get to the terminal?
[19:27] <nictrasavios> Heck, im stayin on 10.10 and praying 11.10 is gnome :/
[19:27] <charlie-tca> then they can use classic desktop, which is similar, but they will hate gnome 3, which is also going to have big changes
[19:27] <mhall119> 11.04 will be gnome
[19:27] <charlie-tca> Gnome is also changing...
[19:28] <HerrBert> I pretty much did what the webpage you posted said
[19:28] <nictrasavios> mhall119, when they google "HOW DO I FIC DIS NOOOWWW!" and they get terminal commands...
[19:28] <nictrasavios> yep.
[19:29] <mhall119> in that case, I think pressing the Ubuntu logo'd button and typing "terminal" should be obvious enough
[19:29] <charlie-tca> HerrBert: pretty much is not okay. You should have added a single line for Natty , not all 4 lines for stable releases. Otherwise you get a bunch of errors. Also, did you add the key it said to?
[19:29] <charlie-tca> mhall119: it is not
[19:29] <charlie-tca> That is not at all intuitive
[19:30] <mhall119> what would be the more intuitive way of finding an installed application in Unity?
[19:30] <charlie-tca> um, a menu?
[19:30] <nictrasavios> dang it, i g2g, natualius is going haywire on 11.04
[19:30] <mhall119> which menu?
[19:30] <nictrasavios> c yahs before my system gets borked.
[19:30] <charlie-tca> any menu
[19:30] <mhall119> but which menu in Unity would you expect to find it in?
[19:30] <charlie-tca> opening a thing that says "find apps" does not tell a user what to do
[19:31] <mhall119> wait, is the problem finding the terminal specifically, of finding any app in Unity in general?
[19:31] <charlie-tca> I can find things in any menu in kde, gnome, and xfce. Why does Unity think menus are harder than typing what you need?
[19:31] <HerrBert> charlie-tca: I did 1 - 4, and when doing the update i get the 404's
[19:32] <mhall119> charlie-tca: okay, I misunderstood the complaint, I thought he was saying that the terminal was harder to find that other apps in Unity
[19:32] <mhall119> than other apps
[19:32] <lcb> just in case anyone using easycap. after loading the module is it necessary to install the existing hack  for it?
[19:32] <charlie-tca> HerrBert: then you did Number 2, which adds repositories that are not for natty, and will give the 404
[19:34] <HerrBert> charlie-tca: ok, undid that, still getting "http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: 141.30.13.10 80]"
[19:35] <charlie-tca> that is not the debug symbol repository. Did you just add that one?
[19:35] <HerrBert> but now I have the symbold package
[19:35] <HerrBert> =)
[19:38] <lcb> just in case if anyone using easycap. after loading the module is it necessary to install the existing hack  for it?  (sorry.. had to repeat the question due to an outage here)
[20:21] <judgen> does the nvidia binary driver work with natty now?
[20:22] <Daekdroom> judgen, nvidia-current does
[20:22] <Daekdroom> Not sure about the rest
[20:22] <judgen> would i gain anything so far from upgrading from maverick to natty? or should i wait for the main release?
[20:22] <judgen> it is more fun to play with the new software though
[20:23] <Daekdroom> You'd gain bugs to deal with, for sure.
[20:23] <judgen> are there newer kernels too?
[20:23] <Daekdroom> 2.6.38
[20:23] <judgen> or is that the same as in maverick
[20:23] <Daekdroom> with the legendary performance patch
[20:23] <Daekdroom> and unity!
[20:23] <judgen> .37 i latest in maverick?
[20:23] <Daekdroom> (which is still buggy)
[20:23] <Daekdroom> Hm, I think it's 3.5
[20:23] <Daekdroom> *.35
[20:23] <Daekdroom> !info linux | maverick
[20:24] <judgen> i do not use gtk or unity so that does not matter to me.
[20:24] <Daekdroom> !info linux maverick
[20:24] <Daekdroom> yeah .35 in maverick
[20:25] <judgen> ok then, im going to give it a whirl.
[21:17] <arand> Does unity fall back on metacity in case of no acceleration?
[21:19] <Daekdroom> arand, yes, it falls back to classic gnome
[21:19] <Daekdroom> arand, in the future, it'll fall back to unity-2d, which will, if necessary, fall back to metacity
[21:20] <arand> Right, good to know.
[21:20] <arand> Thanks
[21:49] <judgen> Anyone remember how to blacklist pulseaudio, disabling it from running at startup.
[21:53] <lenios> judgen, mv /usr/bin/pulseaudio
[21:59] <BluesKaj> judgen, I just remove pulseaudio altogether
[22:01] <BluesKaj> I haven't been able to find any benefits using pulseaudio
[22:01] <Daekdroom> BluesKaj, what do you use instead?
[22:02] <judgen> Daekdroom: I just use ALSA, it works fine.
[22:02] <BluesKaj> the bare essentials , alsa-base and alsa utils
[22:02] <Daekdroom> Right. ALSA has a mixing server in userspace now
[22:03] <judgen> is it possible to use the famebuffer in CLI while still using the nvidia binary module for X?
[22:03] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio just adds another layer of unecessary audio processing on most soundcards causing distortion and noise
[22:04] <judgen> BluesKaj: That is why i wanted to rid myself of it. Started jittering after a while of playing.
[22:05] <BluesKaj> judgen, Daekdroom , I think pulseaudio might beneficial to those with dedicated fancy soundcards , giving more input and output options etc
[22:05] <BluesKaj> might be beneficial
[22:05] <judgen> aaah
[22:06] <Daekdroom> I wish Ubuntu would move to OSSv4 someday.
[22:06] <judgen> i use a emu10k card from creative labs..
[22:06] <judgen> has worked with alsa for ages
[22:06] <BluesKaj> Daekdroom, I thought OSS was depracated
[22:07] <judgen> BluesKaj: Is not OSS used in all the BSD distros as well as in haiku?
[22:07] <BluesKaj> judgen, yeah , I had one of those yrs ago
[22:07] <BluesKaj> judgen, I have no idea about BSD
[22:08] <judgen> BluesKaj: i put it in after the dsp in the crappy realtek integrated gave up.
[22:08] <judgen> BluesKaj: ALSA is very linux specific
[22:08] <Daekdroom> Doesn't the L stand for Linux?
[22:08] <judgen> wonder what will happen now that i have mv'd the akonadi binaries away.
[22:09] <judgen> Advanced Linux Audio Architecture i think
[22:09] <judgen> but i might be wrong on that.
[22:09] <BluesKaj> yeah judgen , exactly
[22:10] <judgen> But the second a was made into sound later...
[22:10] <judgen> so it became ALSA instead of ALAA
[22:11] <judgen> dunno why
[22:11] <judgen> so long ago, that noome remembers except for the people involved
[22:11] <BluesKaj> I have a coaxaudio out feeding my HTReceiever of an elcheapo integrated nvidia soundchip , and I'm happy enuff with results..movies/music look and sound fine
[22:11] <BluesKaj> off an an elcheapo
[22:12] <judgen> BluesKaj: Nvidia does not do sound cards afaik.. the make the bridge for their licensed Realtek crap.
[22:13] <judgen> i really wish realtek would go out of the sound area and focus om what they are better at.
[22:13] <BluesKaj> ahhh, judgen ok , thought it was another nvidia royalty type licence, like my 2 nvidia cards , both made by different manufacturers
[22:13] <BluesKaj> mvidia graphics cards
[22:14] <judgen> i am off for a reboot... laterz!
[22:14] <BluesKaj> ok, good luck
[22:38] <zzillezz> trying to install alpha3 hasn't been as smooth as alpha2 ...
[22:38] <zzillezz> to put it mildly :-)
[22:38] <zzillezz> but it the end ... here i am
[23:06] <mwilson1023> argh, I recently added the PPA package for gnome-do and failed.
[23:06] <mwilson1023> for some reason my software sources is GONE from my menus.
[23:06] <mwilson1023> what is the command for removing a PPA address?
[23:06] <mwilson1023> wrong page...
[23:07] <Daekdroom> mwilson1023, software sources no longer shows up in the menu by default. You can get there through synaptic
[23:07] <arand> Software sources are available through the software centre instead...
[23:07] <mwilson1023> synaptic. meh,
[23:08] <mwilson1023> thanks
[23:14] <BluesKaj> I'll epeat here as well, mwilson1023,alt+f2 , gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list , you can comment the ppa repos line with a # or remove the ppa
[23:14] <BluesKaj> repeat
[23:14] <mwilson1023> ty BluesKaj
[23:15] <mwilson1023> but it doesn't bring up gedit or anything :(?
[23:15] <BluesKaj> yw . mwilson1023 :)
[23:15] <BluesKaj> alt+f2 should bring up the runbox
[23:16] <mwilson1023> no I got that lol, but when you goto the sources.list, nothing pops up.
[23:17] <mwilson1023> I went to it manually
[23:18] <mwilson1023> BluesKaj, my ppa isn't there
[23:19] <mwilson1023> BluesKaj, this comes up when I update:
[23:19] <mwilson1023> W:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/do-core/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/source/Sources.gz  404  Not Found
[23:19] <BluesKaj> mwilson1023, ok , then it has to be in the software center
[23:20] <mwilson1023> btw, it was gnome do svn
[23:21] <mwilson1023> I'll restart. it says to check my internet connection.
[23:22] <BluesKaj> well, that' because you are running natty, the natty repos won't see the pld maverick ppa ,
[23:22] <BluesKaj> old
[23:22] <BluesKaj> gawd another svn victim
[23:24] <BluesKaj> svn is clunky for me,,never understood it and still don't see any benefitv from using it
[23:31] <Guest3863> is the proposed respository safe to enable and update just for wishful thinking
[23:32] <Daekdroom> avis, it's useless for now
[23:32] <avis> ok
[23:32] <avis> no solution for compiz ?
[23:33] <avis> work arounds ?
[23:33] <avis> anything that would keep my system stop from being restarted ?
[23:33] <avis> disappearing borders,etc
[23:34] <avis> did a config file take the place of /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?