[01:50] hello czajkowski === Pici` is now known as Pici [02:29] morning [02:33] nigelb: hello! [02:33] nigelb: good weekend? [02:39] evilduanedesign: yeah, not baf :) [02:39] err *bad [07:41] good morning all [07:51] morning dpm, ara :) [07:51] morning all! [08:00] Morning everyone [08:01] hey kim0, good morning :) [08:01] nigelb: hey hey :) [08:01] dpm: ara Morning o/ [08:04] dholbach: morning :) [08:04] hey kim0 [08:04] good morning [08:04] hey dholbach :) [08:04] Last session of UDW was serious fun :D [08:05] hey nigelb [08:05] great to hear :-) [08:05] good morning ara, nigelb, kim0, dholbach! [08:05] I guess we can have that on *weeks/days from now on [08:05] hola dpm === m4n1sh-ic is now known as m4n1sh [09:15] Aloha [09:15] Morning czajkowski. Haven't seen you around in a while! [09:45] "Nothing hugs quite like dholbach, though, and he’s no hairy ape." [09:45] AlanBell, yeah :) [09:45] where is that from? haha [09:45] Mark's announce of "O" [09:45] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/646 [09:45] aah [09:46] I agree with the statement though :P [09:46] AlanBell: I'm still on adrenaline rush from lighting talks :p [11:28] haha! "Nothing hugs quite like dholbach, though, and he’s no hairy ape." [12:05] morning all [12:05] hey duanedesign [12:06] hello mr nigel [12:06] i had a good night last night helping people in #ubuntu-beginners :) [12:07] :) [12:07] I had a run on problems I could actually help with :) [12:07] thats a very satisfying feeling [12:07] it is nice [12:08] you still trying out ircccloud [12:08] nigelb: ^ [12:08] oh, where's nigel-cloud [12:09] evilduanedesign: I liked it, but I'm toying with the idea of cost [12:09] nigelb: on the free account it disconnects after two days of inactivity [12:09] oh, no wonder [12:09] evilduanedesign: I like having a server [12:09] i really want to test it, but i am still waiting for an invitation [12:09] yeah, me too [12:10] nigelb: I have a VPS. As soon as I have the money though I want a physical server [12:10] evilduanedesign: I have a cloud server from RS. I' like it so far. [12:26] awesome, I got a message from a user I helped last night [12:26] I just check the dansguardian and it WORKS!:) i logged in the guest account and viola its there blocking any inapproiate material loading onto the screen. [12:26] \o/ [12:26] win :) [12:27] though the process is a bit of a chore for the average user [12:27] evilduanedesign: we should have docs for that [12:27] it is a process that needs a wrapper application. Something like what doctormo's groundcontrol does for launchpad [12:28] and for setting up a lib computer or something [12:29] nigelb: bodhizazen has a good guide. That is where i learned to do it. http://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/web-content-filtering-made-easy/ [12:30] would be a good idea to check the wiki though and make sure. If not would be easy to make a page from bodhi's guide [12:32] evilduanedesign: that one and how to set up tings like temporary sessions controlled from one computer would be very helpful for a lot of places [12:54] popey, oneiric is going to be awesome [12:55] only if we can pronounce it [12:55] * czajkowski wonders what goes through that lads head when he comes up with names [12:55] *mutters* [12:55] +1 [12:56] click on "listen" on http://translate.google.com/#en|en|oneiric - is that how it's pronounced? [13:07] the IPA for Onirology is /ɒnɨˈrɒlədʒi/ [13:08] I tell you how I am going to pronounce it [13:08] one-rick [13:09] jcastro: I guess popey will pronounce it "o-ze-lot" :) [13:09] "on air ick" I think is correct [13:09] ooze-lot [13:10] jcastro: with background of rickroll? ;) [13:10] I'll take the dog for a walk now, call mvo and practise the pronunciation :) [13:10] see you later [13:17] http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oneiric#Related_terms loving these === IdleOne is now known as OneiricOne === OneiricOne is now known as IdleOne [13:51] OneiricOne \o/ [13:51] :) [13:52] thinking maybe I need to group DreamyOne also [13:52] I have a feeling we will be referring to 11.10 as Dreamy [13:54] Good morning btw [14:22] first I had to learn to say "Aubergine" correctly now I it's "Oneiric Ocelot" seriously..who enjoys torturing the redneck...:-P [14:23] lol [14:23] akgraner: Amry wives came back last night!!!!!!!! [14:23] I haven't watched it yet [14:23] me neither [14:24] gotta get caught up, and I head to PyCon on Friday so who knows when I'll get to watch it [14:24] akgraner: don't feel bad I am still working on pronouncing czajkowski properly [14:24] IdleOne: I just go with "laura" [14:24] I gave up on that one [14:25] unless I am "drankin" in which case I usually get it right ;-P [14:25] cz [14:25] JFo: thank goodness for tab completion [14:25] indeed [14:25] Tchaikovsky [14:26] I did once very nearly order a taxi for "Miss C.Z. Tabb" [14:26] haha [14:26] * czajkowski frowns [14:27] yer lucky I like ye guys! [14:27] * czajkowski pokes JFo and AlanBell [14:27] cheeky buggers! [14:27] :) [14:27] * AlanBell will now be on best behavior [14:27] akgraner: aye see you later mister [14:27] * AlanBell will be in poking range in a few hours [14:27] fail! [14:28] czajkowski, laters [14:28] toodles [15:11] WOO my new thinkpad is here! [15:12] new toy [15:14] oooooo [15:14] which one? [15:16] X120E [15:19] I spy jcastro in http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/reviews/2011/03/ars-reviews-the-motorola-xoom.ars/6 [15:19] heh [15:21] it's times like that, you really hope you've a good picture and aren't doing anything dodgey! [15:21] I've trolled people that way before [15:22] when doing an IM thing once we put "Soandso just whines on twitter." [15:22] soandso being another writer on the site [15:23] nods [15:30] jcastro: woohoo :) [15:30] * kim0 googling specs [15:31] man, even the alternative installer does geoip thing for the timezone [15:31] SO nice [15:31] go give cjwatson a hug :) [15:31] (isn't he one of the persons behind debian installer?) [15:31] hehe [15:31] well I knew the normal installer had it, not the alt. [15:32] nice love for the alt-installer diehards like myself [15:32] hehe [15:33] s/diehards/crusty old folks/g [15:34] it's nontrivial to do normal installer via PXE [15:35] indeed [15:35] popey: I PXE install using the same squid-deb-proxy machine so my installs take very very little time [15:35] neat! [15:35] write that up! :) [15:35] * popey asks on au [15:35] you just input the proxy address in the installer [15:35] since the alt installer is geeky it actually asks you where your proxy is [15:36] jcastro: neat. [15:36] can I just say, KDE, is pure evil and I HATE IT!!! [15:37] * czajkowski goes back to cleaning her inbox [15:37] kim0: we need a cloud/Ubuntu version of this: http://boot.kernel.org/ [15:37] http://askubuntu.com/questions/29406/multiple-network-installs-with-cached-downloads [15:38] jcastro: doesn't it support ubuntu today already [15:38] * kim0 checking [15:38] popey: so basically "rewrite every PXE install howto on the web" [15:38] gah fedora but not ubuntu [15:38] kim0: yeah but something cooler than that, that page looks :( [15:39] Also, we need to have a good guide on parental controls. I wonder if I should just ask it on askubuntu.com [15:39] a nice 5 meg usb image + boot.ubuntu.com = ftw. [15:39] +1 [15:39] I'm interested :) [15:39] kim0: but those are just dreams [15:39] I am full of dreams [15:39] time and skill to do that sort of thing, not so much. [15:39] hehe [15:40] jcastro: but someone listening to you might just build it [15:40] * nigelb looks at mhall119 ;) [15:41] popey: I suspect you'll need to find a PXE server install howto that is out there and available on CC and then copy it and fix it up as an answer [15:41] popey: or whatever surely to be out of date junk is on the wiki [15:41] well thats kinda my point [15:41] every PXE how-to I find is broken [15:41] I am starting to hope/wish that we delete the wiki [15:41] nigelb: the edubuntu team probably has some good parental control info [15:41] right, but you need something to start on [15:41] popey: I'm saying steal n' copy [15:42] then edit to make better [15:42] hmm [15:42] mhall119: ah yes. evilduanedesign and I were plotting earlier today [15:42] I'll probably take a look at doing just that on my home server [15:42] mhall119: to write better documentation for that [15:42] jcastro: who did the django cloudinit demo at UDS-N? [15:42] kirkland? [15:43] was it the joke one with the narwhal song? [15:43] I think so [15:43] I was more interested in the cloudinit script itself [15:43] yeah kirkland [15:43] I want to make it available, and similar ones for wordpress and drupal too [15:44] maybe integrate it into 10.cloud.ubuntu.com so you can say "Give me a Wordpress site in teh cloud", or "Give me a Django-powered site in the cloud" [15:46] yep [15:46] * mhall119 is making a list [15:46] nigelb: what were you thinking, a list of different guides availlable? [15:46] evilduanedesign: or probably going in and updating the wiki [15:47] evilduanedesign: fix wwhat's broken sounds much better than go create a whole new thing [15:47] nigelb: definelty [15:48] nigelb: I put that on my todo list last night. Ill take a look. What I was working on now is not progressing :) [15:48] evilduanedesign: heh, I'll help you. I have a personal mess to sort and then I'll pitch in. [15:49] cool [16:01] kim0, all set? [16:01] jono: just moment .. was rebooting [16:01] kim0, np [16:04] jono: ready === maco2 is now known as maco [16:20] oh fail, I installed 10.10 on it and didn't even notice until I booted it up [16:21] jcastro, upgrade testing FTW :) [16:23] :) [16:23] * popey polishes the silver lining on jcastro's cloud [16:37] * AlanBell heads off to an evening with the lovely RMS and the completely insane czajkowski [16:37] hahaha [16:39] nigelb: I set up an etherpad to use as a dump for info to get started http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/mp9hEFnuh5 [16:39] w00t [16:41] AlanBell: record an interview with him for me :) [16:46] Do you have questions? [16:47] And do you know any command line audio recording application [16:49] The olpc does not have the power to run audacity [16:54] uhm [16:55] arecord -f cd -t raw | oggenc - -r -o out.ogg [16:55] maybe === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [17:23] kim0: are you still seeing kim02 on LD? [17:23] jono, 7m? [17:23] dholbach, yup [17:24] rock [17:29] ok, thought Oneiric Ocelot was joke when I first heard it [17:30] jono, skype? [17:30] dholbach, let's roll [17:38] alright my friends - time to call it a day :-D [17:38] see you all tomorrow [17:38] hugs [18:52] JFo: man I found a brutal kernel crasher on my new laptop, I'll holla at you after my call [18:53] JFo: the kernel "omg it's crashed" thing asks me a question but it's a blank window with 2 buttons, seen that before? [18:58] um, no [18:58] hmmm [18:59] frankly that is an odd thing [18:59] after my call I'll stop by your channel [18:59] ok [18:59] maybe there's a hw enablement guy around [18:59] is there a hardware enablement irc or is it all -kernel? [19:00] there is one, but due to nda it is on the private server [19:00] :( [19:00] yeah [19:00] :-/ [19:00] most of the guys should be in #u-k though [19:00] well, my bug will help all x120e owners in the end [19:00] jono: all set! [19:01] jcastro, one sec [20:27] jono: Has the 11.10 name been announced? [20:27] Only I see the headline on OMG (which is offline atm) and no news anywhere else. [20:27] !11.10 [20:27] Error: unresolvable to oneric [20:27] ugh, spelling [20:29] doctormo: yes, sabdfl announced it on his blog [20:29] Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) will be the fifteenth release of Ubuntu. Codename announcement here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/?p=646 [20:30] Now if the bot will listen to me, I'll get that properly setup as a factoid. [20:30] oneric will probably cause less spelling mistakes than intrepid, but more than natty :) [20:31] sense: oh the irony [20:31] hey mhall119 [20:31] you're familiar with summit right? [20:31] sense: More or less than feisty though? [20:31] jcastro: I'd better be [20:32] jcastro: that is to say, yes, I'm familiar [20:32] Pici: the two juxtapositioned vowels in feisty are more problematic than oneric, right? [20:32] mhall119: ok scale of 1 to 10, how hard would it be to publish a CSV of the schedule on a regular basis, like hourly or something [20:32] sense: oneIric [20:32] sense: Well, perhaps not, at least most people have heard the word 'feisty' before. [20:33] jcastro: not too hard [20:33] why csv? [20:33] http://conventionist.com/ [20:33] davidm saw they used this at scale [20:33] and it worked great, and all he needs is a CSV of the schedule to make this work for UDS [20:34] okay, we can do that [20:34] is csv the only option? [20:34] Pici: oneric does sound a lot more like it is spelled, feisty not. [20:34] jcastro: UDS app! Cool. [20:34] mhall119: let me see [20:34] sense: you've been spelling it wrong for the past 5 minutes [20:34] sense: Except that the codename is oneiric, not oneric [20:35] * sense runs away [20:35] lol [20:35] * sense is not here! [20:35] Two consecutive vowels again! [20:35] That is problematic indeed. [20:35] sense: I presume it's pronounced on-eric? [20:35] doctormo: You're the native speaker, not me! [20:35] own-eye-rick [20:36] mhall119: I've asked davidm to join us here [20:36] he's been talking to the founders or something [20:36] mhall119: really? they really did a hatchet job on that spelling. [20:36] doctormo: it's greek [20:36] mhall119: It's greek, in roman letters ;-) [20:36] which, of course, doesn't use our alphabet at all [20:36] doctormo: used in English, spoken by Americans [20:37] what could possibly go wrong? [20:37] English only has so many words because it has taken half the Ancient Greek and Latin words and made it its own. [20:37] sense: And some celtic, norse, chinese, indian and a bit of bastard french too. [20:37] yeah, took a bunch of germanic ones too [20:38] oneiric: Of, relating to, or characterizing the clinical state of oneirophrenia; oneirophrenia: A mental state that is characterized by hallucinations and other disturbances and is associated with prolonged deprivation of sleep, sensory isolation, or psychoactive drugs. [20:38] We do the same with English words and make horrible bastardised things of it: "gedeletet' is a proper conjugated verb. It looks ugly in both Dutch and English. [20:38] English, the klemtomaniac of languages [20:38] Pici: That is not possitive! [20:38] sense: It describes software development [20:38] sense: the more generic meaning is "of or pertaining to dreams or dream-like states" [20:38] Yeah, that too,. [20:39] I go for mhall119's description. :) [20:39] Half the English naval terms have a Dutch origin, afaik. [20:39] I think Mark was going for "dreamy", though that's not academically the right interpretation [20:40] At least ocelots are a somewhat normal sounding animal name. [20:40] * mhall119 was hoping for onery [20:40] I had never heard of ocelots before! [20:40] Nor of onery. [20:41] onery means stubborn [20:41] and strong-headed [20:41] mhall119: you mean ornery [20:41] Pici: ah, yes [20:41] dang r's [20:42] Everyone can speak a few words of English easily, but speaking and spelling it right is harder than you might think. :) [20:43] jcastro, I'm here [20:43] davidm: mhall119 is wondering if CSV only is the only option [20:44] That is the option they are offering, but I can counter propose something else if there is something better [20:44] json? [20:44] Remember we only have about 4-5 fields we have to export to them [20:45] davidm: ok let's do this, file a bug on lp.net/summit [20:45] davidm: is there an option to provide a feed they pull from more frequently? [20:45] and put the fields, etc. you want in there so we don't lose them [20:45] we can give an rss, ical or json feed for our sessions [20:46] davidm, What is the use case? [20:46] Daviey: http://conventionist.com/ [20:46] they used that at SCALE and it worked well for them [20:46] so he's talking to them we're thinking we can add on full mobile support for maybe not so much work [20:46] They are currently designing a standard help yourself interface allowing you to export your data into CSV and upload it to them, each time you change data you just send the entire file again [20:47] We push they don't pull [20:47] :( [20:47] jcastro, I'll get the fields we need and put them in the bug [20:48] I know it's at least title, room, start time and and I think end time [20:48] interesting... [20:48] When we make a schedule change we just push the change to them [20:48] Is it such an intensive task to converse it to CSV? [20:48] no [20:48] the intensive task would be uploading the csv to their site [20:49] Aww, that is silly... why can't they pull? [20:49] especially with the frequency that rooms and times change once UDS actually starts [20:49] seems infeasible TBH [20:50] Daviey, right now they don't even have a self-serve interface you call a human or send an email [20:50] yeah, definitely not feasible [20:50] Marianna would kill us [20:50] what? why? [20:50] we should be able to send changes at an interval (every 10 minutes if there is change) and that should not be too hard [20:50] auto export it every hour and mail it. [20:51] making her download a csv and email it every time the schedule changed [20:51] no no [20:51] Why would Marianna kill us? [20:51] Would once per hour be enough? [20:51] sense: for 90% of changes, probably [20:51] the question is, what's the delay on their end? [20:51] No why would we have a human in the loop? I'm very confused [20:51] yeah, can't you make the system just autoexport? [20:51] *we* can, yes [20:52] but it sounds like there's a human on their end [20:52] That's very inefficient. [20:52] Right now there is, shorlty the human will be gone [20:52] We want to use the new humanless interface [20:53] will the humanless interface still consist of emails csv files? [20:53] Can't possibly use a human interface with the rate of change we have [20:53] it will be csv files that is what they want [20:53] so basically we spam them with csv's and the rest is their problem [20:53] can we get in touch with one of their developers perhaps? [20:53] not sure if email or some other way, I'm talking to them now [20:54] we can [20:54] I'm talking to the CEO directly so I can arrange a developer call [20:54] jcastro, yes exactly we send CSV they deal [20:54] I'm thinking an ical import on their end would be good for all of their customers [20:54] * Daviey thinks pushing is crazy.... if we want to use them, they need to poll [20:55] most of their customers are likely to be Windows users [20:55] we can provide the data as they need it, but i really think they need to pull [20:55] or pub/sub [20:55] And most of their customers don't have the rate of change we do [20:55] davidm: even windows users like google calendar [20:56] much more than they like CSV too [20:56] Daviey, I don't know why they would poll, we know when we have a change they don't we just send them along when we have them [20:57] davidm: because by polling, we don't have to authenticate [20:57] davidm, this is what code 304 is for :) [20:57] mhall119, we can ask them, what they have currently offered is CSV, I don't want to pay for development work on their product, just want to contract their service to make UDS a bit easier for attendees [20:57] davidm: I'm all on board with that [20:57] davidm, What does this /actually/ add? [20:57] yeah, I say screw it and just autoexport and spam them [20:57] a read only interface? [20:58] Daviey: mobile clients for everything [20:58] and maps [20:58] Daviey, do you have an android or apple phone? [20:58] but since it sounds like they're still working this out, it'd be mutually beneficial to both of us to work on a good interface [20:58] davidm, yes [20:58] download their app and load the scale9x data and have a look [20:58] jcastro: maps of the venue? or street maps? [20:58] of the venu [20:58] maps of the venue [20:58] like "the room is this way" [20:58] nice [20:59] davidm / jcastro: Download the FOSDEM app... for either iphone or android... that has map.... and simply imports an xml file. [20:59] I used this at scale9x and it was NICE [20:59] davidm: that's awesome, but we can do this like right now instead of making our own app [20:59] We could put the same resources into that, had having something FOSS :) [20:59] ugh dude [20:59] why do we always have to build things [20:59] let's just do it [20:59] Has a lot of nice features for end users and we don't have to do anything except export our data [20:59] imports, as in, silently pulls an xml file :) [21:00] autoexporting and spamming seems like the least amount of work [21:00] davidm, When you have your call, can you see if they will pull? [21:00] jcastro & Daviey: you guys decide if you want to use this or not, I can write a CSV exporter/emailer [21:01] jcastro, seems messy IMO. [21:01] I will convince daviey [21:01] What I can do if you all like is setup a conference call and you can attend [21:01] since he wants less work [21:01] but I still think ical would serve them better than csv in the long run, davidm [21:01] jcastro, GPWM [21:01] I don't want to mess up or miscommunicate something [21:01] * mhall119 isn't familiar with that acronym [21:01] Daviey: it's not ideal but if they want to do it this way then *shrug* [21:01] mhall119, Good Point Well Made [21:01] then they will be like "oh wow this doesn't scale" [21:02] and then you will say "check it, do it this way" [21:02] Daviey: thanks [21:03] I wonder if one day, some investment will be made in all this :) [21:03]