[00:00] <cjohnston> czajkowski: commented on your bug
[00:28] <cjohnston> YoBoY: confirming that your bug about editing team details is fixed
[00:30] <Ronnie> YoBoY: its posseble that you have to wait 20 minutes, after the new release. the script executes every 20 min
[00:31] <cjohnston> lpupdate ran with no errors
[00:32] <cjohnston> YoBoY: i can edit fr details
[00:40] <paultag> cjohnston: why has no one looked at that bug?
[00:41] <paultag> cjohnston: I know when someone on the council of the team that the app's only use is for says that something is important, it's important
[00:41] <paultag> cjohnston: could you *please* get someone to look at that? It's fell through for a few releases now
[00:43] <paultag> I've waited 4 months
[00:58] <cjohnston> paultag: the problem is that except for Daniel, all of us are volunteers.. Its up to the developers what they want to develop. If a developer isn't interested in the bug, then they aren't.
[01:00] <paultag> cjohnston: you relize saying that is giving me the middle finger, right?
[01:00] <paultag> "No one cares about your issue" is what I read into that
[01:00] <cjohnston> paultag: I actually did take offence to your email. I was watching TV with my wife when the email came in, and I got up to come to the office to reply.
[01:01] <paultag> cjohnston: the loco-directory's only job is to aid in the loco communites. It's my role in this community to maintain that.
[01:01] <paultag> cjohnston: a failure in the ld is harming the loco communties. I've been patiant
[01:02] <cjohnston> I understand that. However, at the same time, when we have asked for input from the LC, I do remember getting the middle finger myself.
[01:02] <cjohnston> I also remember where that went, and I don't want to go there again.
[01:02] <paultag> cjohnston: yes, because you were asking us write blurbs that were on the wiki
[01:02] <paultag> cjohnston: have fun, get back to whatever your doing.
[01:02] <paultag> you're *
[01:05] <cjohnston> Perhaps there hasn't been a way thought of to make it work well.. I have considered it a number of different times, however I haven't come up with a way to impliment. There are bugs filed from more than a year ago, that going based on age should be well ahead of the virtual event bug. However, we (or atleast I) don't go based on age. I also don't think that the lack of having a virtual venue has a huge amount of
[01:11] <cjohnston> And in reference to how members of the teams get treated, a bug from our last release about not being able to edit team details was identified on 2/23, we were finally able to figure it out on Thursday (it was an error being thrown on the production server, but not locally, so we didn't know about the error causing the bug until ISS manually ran the script at our request and found the bug) and today the fix was 
[01:12] <cjohnston> We have reciently made a huge addition in adding meetings to LD.
[01:17] <mhall119> daker: is symfony in the repos?
[01:17] <mhall119> Ronnie: IDEs and bzr are covered elsewhere on developer.u.c, I'm just focusing on the web-specific tools
[01:41] <mhall119> paultag: can I talk to you in PM?
[01:42] <paultag> mhall119: yeah, sure
[06:11] <YoBoY> good morning
[07:12] <YoBoY> cjohnston: that's odd, I was able to edit my team details before the release ? ^^" I can see now the differences, and I can see also my modifications haven't been registered
[08:04] <dholbach> good morning
[08:31] <trinikrono> mornings
[09:53] <czajkowski> Aloha 
[10:02] <trinikrono> czajkowski: i am up to 4 members now do you think i can be ready for global jam lol?
[10:03] <czajkowski> yup
[10:03] <czajkowski> all you need is you plus + 1 :)
[10:04] <daker> good morning
[10:04] <trinikrono> :D well i am going to make a event then
[10:04] <daker> mhall119, no you have to the symfony repos or install it using pear
[10:54] <cjohnston> YoBoY: your saying you can't edit team details now?
[12:18] <mhall119> daker: I'm trying to limit it to what's available from Ubuntu's repos
[12:19] <daker> ok
[12:54] <YoBoY> cjohnston: no, I can edit now, I'm saying I can edit since 22h25 (UTC) yesterday
[13:01] <mhall119> YoBoY: did anything change with your admin team's membership?
[13:01] <YoBoY> no
[13:02] <mhall119> it's possible that whatever data was causing lpupdate to fail was changed, allowing it to run successfully
[13:02] <YoBoY> the only thing we changed is adding cjohnston to our team ^^"
[13:03] <YoBoY> now he's part of the great french team, he have to work for us :D
[13:04] <czajkowski> YoBoY: he does with the amount of bugs you log :p
[13:05] <mhall119> YoBoY: heh, I doubt that's it
[13:05] <mhall119> czajkowski: +1
[13:05] <YoBoY> and you are lucky, I have a lot of bug/wishes I haven't registered ^^"
[13:05] <czajkowski> good
[13:05]  * czajkowski minds her LD devs
[13:06] <czajkowski> one has to go through me if you increase their bug load 
[13:06] <czajkowski> :)
[13:08] <mhall119> hey wait, you increase our bug load too
[13:08] <czajkowski> small ickle bugs 
[13:11] <mhall119> yeah but they're Irish, which means that even though they're small, they've got a lot of fight in them
[13:11] <mhall119> ;)
[13:11] <YoBoY> You know our team don't really use the LD (one day...), but I try to register all our event's to encourage the other teams to do the same, to be forgiven for all my bugs :)
[13:11] <mhall119> YoBoY: um, there's a bunch of ubuntu-fr events on LD
[13:12] <mhall119> noone else is using them?
[13:12] <YoBoY> missing 2 or 3 yet for march ^^"
[13:12] <mhall119> YoBoY: what's the barrier?  Are we missing some functionality, or is it just resistance to change?
[13:12] <YoBoY> not really, we already have our website for that :]
[13:13] <YoBoY> but with time... and some calendar integration on our side (or your side ^^") we can perhaps use both :)
[13:14] <YoBoY> our website can promote the events on the french planet when the date is comming
[13:14] <czajkowski> YoBoY: an RSS feed of the events on the LD 
[13:14] <czajkowski> that way there is a history of PASt eventxs there
[13:14] <YoBoY> we can add articles also to talk about the conferences for the upcomming events
[13:14] <czajkowski> should your hosting drop off and die 
[13:15] <YoBoY> we have a calandar view
[13:15] <YoBoY> http://ubuntu-party.org/category/evenements/month
[13:16] <mhall119> YoBoY: you use wordpress right?
[13:16] <YoBoY> yes
[13:17] <mhall119> I think I looked into this for you, there's a plugin that'll let you populate the WP calendar from an ical feed, which you can get from LD
[13:17] <czajkowski> there is 
[13:17] <YoBoY> mhall119: yes, it's planned to add that one day, but missing time... ^^"
[13:18] <mhall119> YoBoY: ain't that always the case :(
[13:18] <YoBoY> yes
[13:19] <YoBoY> missing time to learn python/django to help you on LD, missing time to add functionalities on our websites, ... arg why I need to sleep at night ^^"
[13:19] <mhall119> sleep is over-rated
[13:20] <YoBoY> Oneiric Ocelot ? :)
[13:21] <daker> codename for 11.10
[13:21] <YoBoY> yes :D
[13:23] <YoBoY> I like the "Nothing hugs quite like dholbach" :D
[13:25] <mhall119> Oneiric?
[13:26] <YoBoY> yes
[13:26] <mhall119> someone needs to take away Mark's dictionary
[13:26] <YoBoY> Onirique in french
[13:27] <mhall119> oh good, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oneiric has an audio pronunciation
[13:27] <jpds> mhall119: http://translate.google.co.uk/#en|en|Oneiric%20Ocelot - "Listen."
[13:28] <mhall119> another cat though?  Now we have to endure another 6 months of "OMG! you're trying to be like OSX!"
[13:29] <mhall119> jpds: thanks
[13:31] <YoBoY> btw mhall119 do you want a bug for a calendar view ? :D 
[13:33] <mhall119> YoBoY: in LD?
[13:33] <YoBoY> yes :)
[13:33] <mhall119> hmmm, yeah that'd be a good idea
[13:33] <mhall119> are you wanting something to view directly, or embed in an iframe in your site?
[13:35] <YoBoY> don't know
[13:35] <YoBoY> but we can start with a direct view and think about an iframe or other system to embed in external sites
[13:35] <YoBoY> later
[13:36] <mhall119> YoBoY: is your site's calendar view code you made, or is that from a WP plugin?
[13:37] <YoBoY> plugin
[13:41] <mhall119> "Nothing hugs quite like dholbach, though, and he’s no hairy ape." lol
[13:42] <YoBoY> the last thing I coded was patches to improve the time response on our french documentation :]
[13:58] <YoBoY> the discussion we have now on my team "how many french 11.04 live cd are we making this time, 10000 or more" I love this team ^^
[14:25] <mhall119> 10,000? wow!
[14:27] <czajkowski> YoBoY: with all these people surely we can get more of them to dev on the LD 
[14:28] <mhall119> heh
[14:29] <YoBoY> czajkowski: if only... I'll try to talk about the LD on the global jam, it's a good project to start learning how to use Launchpad in the ubuntu universe :)
[14:29] <czajkowski> nods
[14:31] <YoBoY> but lot of our users are really normal users, who don't know how to program, or who don't speak english. Ubuntu here it's really for human being
[15:30] <mhall119> Ronnie: ping
[15:30] <Ronnie> mhall119: pong
[15:31] <mhall119> Ronnie: are you happy with the current state of the maps stuff?
[15:31] <mhall119> I'm thinking of packaging ubuntu-django-foundations and trying to get it into the Universe repository for Natty
[15:33] <Ronnie> the javascript itself is nearly complete, but the django implementation needs a lot of improvement
[15:33] <Ronnie> the map should be more a generic django plugin or something
[15:33] <YoBoY> if you plan to put that in foundation can you switch back to something more "open" who can use openstreetmap and google maps, not just google maps ? ^^"
[15:33] <mhall119> how much?  I'm going to have to get a feature freeze exception as it is, and the sooner i have packages the more likely we are to get it into Natty
[15:34] <Ronnie> for now its a demo implemetation of using the javascript icw django
[15:34] <mhall119> YoBoY: we've discussed OpenStreetMap before, and even the developers of it agree that it's not a good fit for what we are doing
[15:35] <czajkowski> I am going to copy and paste that discussion for reference at some point
[15:35] <czajkowski> it's been brought up on mailing lists
[15:35] <czajkowski> bugs
[15:35] <mhall119> czajkowski: +1
[15:35] <czajkowski> and irc
[15:35] <czajkowski> and oh a blog post as well 
[15:35] <mhall119> I think it's in one of the bugs
[15:35] <mhall119> oh, maybe it was a blog post
[15:35] <czajkowski> aye 
[15:35] <Ronnie> mhall119: what do we expect of a maps plugin for django
[15:35] <mhall119> but yeah, it keeps coming up, and I don't want people to think we're blowing them off
[15:36] <czajkowski> mhall119: aye but there is a good reason, even if you google it, it's a hit 
[15:36] <czajkowski> :)
[15:36] <mhall119> Ronnie: I think just a simple API for converting Models to the JSON the map's javascript needs
[15:37] <mhall119> Ronnie: it doesn't have to be perfect before we ship
[15:37] <mhall119> I'll setup a PPA, and we can always try and get updated into backports as well
[15:37] <Ronnie> i even dont know if foudations itself is ready to be shipped even
[15:37] <mhall119> I just want to have it available before we advertise it on developer.u.c
[15:38] <mhall119> Ronnie: what do you think it missing?  I know documentation, anything else?
[15:39] <Ronnie> mhall119: have you ever wrote an app working with django foundations?
[15:40] <Ronnie> but if the UDF is shipped in universe, we could easily push updates
[15:40] <mhall119> depends on what you mean by "working" ;)
[15:40] <mhall119> I got a working test site with it
[15:40] <mhall119> but haven't developed anything for use
[15:41] <Ronnie> my 'stopping' points are mainly serving the mediafiles
[15:41] <Ronnie> and extending the user model
[15:41] <Ronnie> some sort of depency handling
[15:42] <Ronnie> atm i have no sight of the Launchpad link, openid login ect, hows that handled?
[15:43] <mhall119> hmmm, I'd have to look into it
[15:45] <mhall119> okay, maybe u-d-f will have to wait until Oneiric (must get used to spelling that)
[15:45] <Ronnie> i think standards for these behaviour must be ready before shipping it
[15:45] <Ronnie> else we got a lot of different used of UDF
[15:45] <mhall119> alright, I'm not sure if I'll have enough time in the near-future to do much with that, but I'll see what needs to be done
[15:46] <Ronnie> if we can think of 3 different standard apps, and work them out, we learn how things work best
[15:46] <mhall119> Ronnie: do you think maps can be one of them?
[15:47] <Ronnie> yes maps is a good one
[15:47] <mhall119> I know light-django-theme and twidenash are ready to package
[15:47] <mhall119> I can probably get the launchpad and teams stuff ready
[15:47] <Ronnie> mhall119: i have my doubts about twidenash
[15:47] <mhall119> Ronnie: it's already in use, there's no harm packaging it
[15:48] <Ronnie> there are no config options for this
[15:48] <Ronnie> mhall119: did you see my merge request to LD for twidentica ?
[15:48] <mhall119> right, there's a lot of work to do to make it better, but it's still safe to ship
[15:48] <mhall119> Ronnie: I don't think so, what's the link?
[15:49] <Ronnie> its a replacement for twidenash, and has config options (jquery like), can show multiple different tags on one page
[15:49] <Ronnie> https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/loco-directory/twidentica
[15:50] <Ronnie> i noticed when making the "My Teams" page that it was not possible to regulate the amount of tweets to display, and there could be only one intance of twidenash on one page
[15:50] <mhall119> Ronnie: is this a fork of twidenash?
[15:50] <Ronnie> therefore i made my own jquery plugin
[15:50] <Ronnie> no, its a total rewrite
[15:50] <Ronnie> working like a jquery plugin
[15:51] <mhall119> ok, so it depends on jqeury?
[15:51] <Ronnie> yes
[15:51] <mhall119> ok
[15:51] <mhall119> is it missing any functionality that twidenash provides?
[15:52] <Ronnie> there is one little 'bug' that twidenash not has. When multiple sources are used, the tweets are not sorted on date
[15:53] <mhall119> because I'm okay with using this as the new twidenash, instead of a separate project
[15:54] <Ronnie> identi.ca is usually very slow, so if the twitter-tweets are loaded, but identi.ca has newer tweets, they are not shown
[15:55] <mhall119> can you do what twidenash does to mix them together and sort by datetime?
[15:55] <Ronnie> mhall119: its possible, but not written yet
[15:56] <Ronnie> i think all the other features of twidenash are supported
[15:56] <Ronnie> i even think about live updates of the feewd
[15:56] <Ronnie> feeds*
[15:57] <mhall119> Ronnie: you should have access to https://launchpad.net/twidenash now, would you mind creating a 2.0 series for this new code?
[15:58] <Ronnie> oke, put it on twidenash
[15:58] <mhall119> yeah, I like where you're going with this
[15:59] <Ronnie> mhall119: how can i add a 2.0 series?
[15:59] <Ronnie> oh, found it
[16:03] <Ronnie> mhall119: it it OK, to call the script jquery-twidenash.js ?
[16:09] <Ronnie> mhall119: i cant push to the branch http://paste.ubuntu.com/577030/
[16:09] <Ronnie> i did and 'bzr init', 'bzr add', 'bzr commit -m "..."' and than the push in the paste
[16:27] <daker> mhall119, did you tried to move the files to an other folder then retry ?
[16:27] <daker> oh!
[16:27] <daker> i mean Ronnie 
[16:30] <Ronnie> how do you mean daker
[16:30] <Ronnie> twidenash/0.2 is an empty branch, i need to push one file to it
[16:31] <kim0> mhall119: hi there, any idea why http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/763/detail/ lists me as kim02 ?!
[16:31] <kim0> dholbach said you'd know :)
[16:32] <dholbach> of course, mhall119 knows everything
[16:32] <daker> kim0, that's a bug on the djang-opendid-auth lib, there is a fix for it and wating to be merged
[16:33] <daker> djang-openid-auth*
[16:33] <nigelb> +o ;)
[16:33] <daker> bug 639772
[16:33] <Daviey> dholbach, do you have admin on LD?
[16:33] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 639772 in loco-directory (and 1 other project) "New user name after LP login (affects: 4) (dups: 2) (heat: 19)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/639772
[16:34] <kim0> daker: rock n roll :)
[16:35] <YoBoY> Ronnie: have you try to push with the long name lp:~owner/... ?
[16:36] <Ronnie> YoBoY: is it possible to put the code into a sersies ?
[16:37] <YoBoY> it should be yes
[16:37] <Ronnie> see the result: https://code.launchpad.net/twidenash
[16:40] <YoBoY> Ronnie: perhaps you can now attach this branch to the serie :]
[16:40] <Ronnie> ah
[16:41] <daker> and change to onwer of the branch to "django-foundations-dev"
[16:41] <Ronnie> done, thx YoBoY
[16:42] <daker> now it's ok
[16:46] <YoBoY> Ronnie: i tested it with staging, and after a first error like yours, and some time waiting, it worked directly. Perhaps you have to let launchpad be aware of the branch before trying to push in.
[16:46] <Ronnie> YoBoY: maybe, ill try next time. thx
[16:47]  * Ronnie is going to eat now
[16:47] <YoBoY> bon appétit :)
[17:19] <mhall119> daker: actually the fix for kim02 should be fixed already :(
[17:19] <mhall119> I'll take a look
[17:20] <daker> yay it's fixed for me
[17:21] <daker> ah no :s
[17:24] <mhall119> daker: it's not?
[17:24] <mhall119> I don't see a kim02 in LD
[17:25] <daker> yes it's not fixed for still show my old lp nickname
[17:25] <daker> mhall119, look http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/763/detail/
[17:25] <mhall119> daker: renames aren't fixed yet, that's what I have in django-openid-auth
[17:25] <daker> ah ok
[17:26] <mhall119> but it adding +1 to the end of your current username, that bug is fixed
[17:26] <daker> ah it's fixed now for kim0
[17:27] <mhall119> our 2 outstanding bugs are from user renames, and not getting an LP username from the SSO response
[17:27] <mhall119> I have fixes for both in django-openid-auth, but I have to write unit tests for them before they'll be accepted
[17:28] <YoBoY> it's just me or some mugshots of the users are missing in your link daker  ? 
[17:28] <mhall119> YoBoY: it's not just you
[17:28] <mhall119> that's another known bug
[17:28] <mhall119> We don't get the direct URL to a mugshot from LP
[17:28] <daker> yes it's a bug
[17:28] <mhall119> instead we get a URL to launchpad librarian, whether librarian actually has a mugshot for that person or not
[17:29] <mhall119> we've been in discussion with LP devs on how to fix that
[17:29] <mhall119> either daker or Ronnie was working on that one
[17:29] <YoBoY> these users don't have mugshots defined in launchpad
[17:30] <YoBoY> strange this is not for every missing mugshots ^^
[17:30] <mhall119> I don't recall the specifics, but in some cases we were getting URLs that didn't point to images
[17:30] <mhall119> YoBoY: sometimes we get a URL that returns text, isntead of an image
[17:31] <mhall119> sometimes we get a URL that returns a redirect to a url that has an image
[17:31] <mhall119> like I said, it's kind of screwy, but we're working on nailing it down
[17:32] <mhall119> YoBoY: for example, go to https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/~m-gamal005/logo
[17:32] <YoBoY> do you use a cache system or ask everytime to LP for the mugshot ?
[17:32] <mhall119> that is supposed to redirect to an image
[17:32] <mhall119> but instead just shows text
[17:32] <mhall119> YoBoY: we keep it in the user profile, and only ask LP on updates
[17:33] <mhall119> but what we keep is a URL that redirects to the actual image, the URL doesn't take you straight there
[17:33] <YoBoY> ok, you keep the link I presume
[17:33] <mhall119> yes
[17:34] <mhall119> we keep https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/~{{username}}/logo if it doesn't return a 404
[17:34] <mhall119> but https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/~m-gamal005/logo returns text, while https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/~mhall119/logo returns a redirect to the mugshot
[22:22] <cjohnston> I like how YoBoY has is "missing time" to add the calendar to wordpress that will work from the feed from LD, but he has the time to file all the bugs. ;-) <-- czajkowski mhall119 
[22:28] <YoBoY> cjohnston: it's just because I think adding the link between ld and our site is less important than all the other things I do for the community. The more bugs I register, the more you can see how LD is important for me ;)
[23:03] <cjohnston> do be do be do
[23:50] <Ronnie> mhall119: can you make some spare time in this week to review my merges, they contain significant changes, which i need for solving other bugs