| metta | where can i get more of those meerkat stickers? i want to hand them out to students | 01:03 |
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| metta | my niece loved it | 01:04 |
| eps | akk: what's an appropriate venue to argue the merits of LAX [e.g. for SCaLE]? :-) | 02:45 |
| akk | eps: My blog. :) Seriously, I don't know -- mail to some SCALE organizer alias? | 02:46 |
| eps | akk: It doesn't look to me like your blog accepts outside comments. | 02:47 |
| akk | No, it doesn't. I wish I had comments, just not enough to figure out how to offer them. | 02:48 |
| eps | Well, I guess that's a better answer than "/dev/null" or "port 9" ;-) | 02:50 |
| akk | It's definitely not "I don't want to hear comments", just that I'm set up in a way that makes it difficult to have them. | 02:56 |
| pleia2 | finished up work on our team report for stuff I had details for, so if others have things to add please do :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/11/February | 03:43 |
| eps | pleia2: Feburary? | 03:49 |
| iheartubuntu | DarkwingDuck -> Im going to be using Kubuntu this next week and blogging about it. | 03:49 |
| pleia2 | eps: yes, the report covers activities completed in february | 03:51 |
| eps | pleia2: It says FebURary | 03:53 |
| pleia2 | yes, there are some typos, the URL is right though | 03:53 |
| eps | Your pix look awesome, BTW. | 03:53 |
| * pleia2 is sick and typo-ridden | 03:54 | |
| pleia2 | but at least the report is done! ;) | 03:54 |
| pleia2 | well, as done as I can make it | 03:54 |
| iheartubuntu | can anyone recommend a specific Ubuntu flyer I can pin up to note boards around campuses? There are a few in the spread ubuntu site, with pull tags. Neat idea, but the look of those flyers is a bit dated now. | 03:54 |
| pleia2 | iheartubuntu: the purple flier is up there somewhere | 03:55 |
| eps | I'm starting to think about Release Parties. :-) | 03:59 |
| pleia2 | our release installfest at noisebridge last spring was a lot of fun | 04:00 |
| pleia2 | so long as we don't schedule it the same weekend as that parade in the mission :) | 04:00 |
| eps | Uh-oh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/NattyRelease says "DO NOT install Lucid on production machines." | 04:01 |
| pleia2 | eps: it's a wiki, you can fix problems! | 04:01 |
| pleia2 | no "uh-oh" just fix it :) | 04:01 |
| eps | Really? Did they fix the OpenID bug? | 04:02 |
| pleia2 | have you tried recently? | 04:02 |
| pleia2 | I'm surprised no one from the launchpad team has gotten back to you about it :( | 04:02 |
| eps | TypeError / __init__() takes exactly 2 arguments (3 given) / If you want to report a bug, please save this page and attach it to your bug report. | 04:04 |
| pleia2 | what's your bug report number? | 04:04 |
| eps | So that would be a "no." | 04:04 |
| pleia2 | you can probably bring it to #launchpad, it's been months | 04:04 |
| eps | I don't remember. I'm not the only one who ran into this. I don't think they care. | 04:05 |
| pleia2 | so you've gone to #launchpad and talked to them? | 04:05 |
| eps | It only seems to affect wiki.ubuntu.com; I can edit help.ubuntu.com just fine. | 04:05 |
| pleia2 | oh well, I updated the wiki page | 04:08 |
| eps | Thanks. | 04:08 |
| pleia2 | just remember we're a team, instead of being passive aggressive about things with "Feburary?" and "uh-oh" you could just tells us there is a typo so we can fix it :) | 04:09 |
| pleia2 | makes it much easier so we don't need to guess what the problem is | 04:10 |
| eps | More bad news: Accoutrements has discontinued the "Avenging Narwhal Play Set." http://www.mcphee.com/shop/products/Avenging-Narwhal-Play-Set.html | 04:11 |
| pleia2 | aww | 04:11 |
| pleia2 | I did find a stuffed animal narwhal | 04:12 |
| pleia2 | http://www.squishable.com/pc/squish_narwhal_15/Big_Animals/Big+Squishable+Narwhal | 04:12 |
| pleia2 | they were out of stock, but now they have some! | 04:12 |
| eps | They do have http://www.mcphee.com/shop/products/Narwhal-Horns-Candy.html | 04:12 |
| eps | And, of course, the terribly frightening http://www.mcphee.com/shop/products/Latex-Penguin-Mask.html | 04:13 |
| pleia2 | ah they have a mini one!! http://www.squishable.com/pc/mini_squish_narwhal_7/Squishable_Mini/Mini+Squishable+Narwhal | 04:13 |
| akk | Love that penguin mask :) | 04:14 |
| eps | pleia2: I have an idea for something fun to try at a Release Party ... something that will keep people engaged for a while and give them a nifty souvenir at the end: | 04:33 |
| pleia2 | yeah? | 04:33 |
| eps | You may recognize this: http://axlotl.com/shapes/penguin.pdf | 04:34 |
| pleia2 | I think my hands would fall off just cutting out one of those :) | 04:35 |
| eps | The most popular paper models take 30-60 minutes to construct. | 04:36 |
| eps | That strikes me as a reasonable amount of time. And it would give the geeks' other halves something to do while the rest of us talk about computers. :-) | 04:41 |
| jtatum | my other half would rather talk about computers | 04:44 |
| pleia2 | mine too, but not everyone's ;) | 04:44 |
| pleia2 | I could probably print off some color ones | 04:45 |
| eps | Exactly. | 04:45 |
| eps | Something like this is beyond most of us: http://www.gerdy.org/?p=42 | 04:46 |
| pleia2 | the penguin is probably beyond me, erichammond had to give us a cd sleeve folding session at scale :) | 04:47 |
| eps | Here's a simple penguin (not Tux): http://www.adamdorman.com/news-detail.php?article=86&page=1 | 04:51 |
| eps | See the notes at the bottom of http://www.chthulhu.com/handout.html for some important technical details. | 04:59 |
| eps | Cubee Tux: http://www.cubeecraft.com/cubee/tux | 06:34 |
| jamiedmattingly | good morning monday !!! :) | 15:31 |
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| jamiedmattingly | does anyone have or know of a flyer for ubuntu hour that i may be able to edit or use as template for one in vallejo | 17:04 |
| jamiedmattingly | pleia2, is there soe sort of flyer for ubuntu hour? | 17:21 |
| pleia2 | there might be some around, but I don't think I've seen one | 17:22 |
| pleia2 | can try searching spreadubuntu.com | 17:22 |
| MarkDude | lol | 17:22 |
| pleia2 | ? | 17:22 |
| MarkDude | There has never been a time that word was not funny | 17:22 |
| pleia2 | some of the material on the website can be a bit dated, but you might find some stuff new enough to be ubuntu hour-y | 17:23 |
| MarkDude | Try saying that word to the public at large- they find it amusing- even more so than the word loco | 17:23 |
| MarkDude | Great site- dont get me wrong | 17:23 |
| pleia2 | MarkDude: mind.out.of.gutter. | 17:23 |
| MarkDude | Just not a good word to use with the public | 17:23 |
| pleia2 | it's a marketing site | 17:24 |
| MarkDude | pleia2, aks some no-geeks what they think | 17:24 |
| pleia2 | I've never even thought of it as dirty | 17:24 |
| * MarkDude did not notise this | 17:24 | |
| MarkDude | me neither until - the public pointed out how funny it was- besides- you said *dirty* I said funny | 17:24 |
| pleia2 | I guess we're thinking of some other reference then | 17:25 |
| pleia2 | the only one I can think of is dirty, not funny | 17:26 |
| MarkDude | Well - in other words - I used another word- YOU saw what a few non-geeks see | 17:26 |
| MarkDude | The public laughs at the loco thing- hence I stopped using that word | 17:27 |
| MarkDude | Just asked a barrista- he saw the word- and laughed REAL loud | 17:28 |
| MarkDude | GO ask a few folks- people that cant name at least 3 programming languages | 17:29 |
| * MarkDude is not trying to be rude here- just pointing out a liability folks may not see | 17:29 | |
| MarkDude | Loudly laughed- upon seeing the word- try this folks | 17:29 |
| pleia2 | I was giving a link to the marketing site to our fellow team member, even if you find the site name funny I don't understand the "liability" here | 17:31 |
| pleia2 | I don't use "loco" either, or "ubuntero" | 17:32 |
| MarkDude | Well I have heard folks say the name of the site- as opposed to just mentioning the material | 17:33 |
| * MarkDude is an expert at dealing with the public- just trying to clue folks in on this sort of thing- it is very similar to trying to explain what Open Source means | 17:35 | |
| MarkDude | really important and great stuff- but many of us geeks feel the need to use the exact name | 17:35 |
| MarkDude | as opposed to the ideas behind this | 17:35 |
| jamiedmattingly | wow didnt mean to start a fight sorry guys | 17:37 |
| pleia2 | not a fight | 17:38 |
| MarkDude | fight? | 17:40 |
| * MarkDude issued a waring to folks that some think the phrase is silly- | 17:40 | |
| MarkDude | folks can do whatever they want | 17:41 |
| * MarkDude and my opinions are just that :) | 17:41 | |
| MarkDude | Lyz- shared hers- its ok jamiedmattingly | 17:41 |
| jdeslip_ | Might I recommend this piece of fine marketing for an ubuntu-hour: http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/brochure/got-ubuntu-what-do-now | 17:44 |
| jdeslip_ | :) | 17:44 |
| MarkDude | You folks and your dirty minds- the most common reaction is that it sounds like sumthin' to put on toast | 17:45 |
| jdeslip_ | Personally I like the name. :/ There is also spreadfirefox - which is a well known site. | 17:49 |
| * MarkDude never said like/dislike- more that the general public view the word as silly | 17:50 | |
| MarkDude | only had maybe 2 people think dirty- most start thinking of FOOD | 17:50 |
| jdeslip_ | People put too much stock into names; yet the best selling gadget of 2010 was named the same as female hygiene product ;) | 17:51 |
| MarkDude | like an easily spreadable margarine or sumthin | 17:51 |
| jdeslip_ | So, apparently names don't matter much :/ | 17:51 |
| pleia2 | yeah, the ubuntu site name is taken from the firefox idea | 17:51 |
| MarkDude | You forgot the part about it being sold by a cultish company ;) | 17:51 |
| akk | jdeslip_: And before that, there was the Wii | 17:52 |
| jdeslip_ | akk: true | 17:52 |
| akk | Names can help -- google got some boost from that, surely -- but I agree they're not as important as we tend to think. | 17:52 |
| MarkDude | Cool- and all of those phrases might be an issue- if I were attempting to share them with thte public at large | 17:53 |
| MarkDude | for us akk | 17:53 |
| MarkDude | the public- we can sound like reall asses forcing the use of Open Source | 17:53 |
| akk | If names were critical, nobody would ever use gimp. :) | 17:53 |
| * MarkDude does not actually use that word | 17:53 | |
| MarkDude | uses the full name for classes we teach | 17:54 |
| MarkDude | why would the general public *care about a developer style? More often they care about the connection it has to people | 17:55 |
| jdeslip_ | MarkDude: Yes, trying to force people to use opensource does make you look like an ass; but the spreadubuntu/spreadfirefox are just websites that give people info - I think they can tell the difference | 17:55 |
| akk | MarkDude: I always wonder about it when I describe it to people who've never heard of it -- I have the same reflexes you do, avoid using stupid names in front of newbies -- but since I can't avoid saying "gimp", I've noticed it doesn't seem to have the reaction I would have expected. | 17:55 |
| MarkDude | Its not a good word - flat out | 17:55 |
| MarkDude | and exhibits a form of ableism | 17:56 |
| akk | I don't think that's something ordinary people think about either. | 17:56 |
| * MarkDude is better than most at dealing with the public- not as much my opinion - as what others have said to me- if my opinions fall flat so be it | 17:57 | |
| akk | (I agree it's not a good name, but we're pretty much stuck with it) | 17:57 |
| MarkDude | Just trying to give people a pointer | 17:57 |
| jdeslip_ | lol - I don't think anyone cares about the name gimp; the most important feature in a name as far as "selling" your product to the public is that it is memorable. | 17:57 |
| jdeslip_ | I think the gimp satisfies that | 17:57 |
| MarkDude | Disabled people do jdeslip_ | 17:57 |
| jdeslip_ | \me doubts it | 17:58 |
| * MarkDude 's own ears have heard this | 17:58 | |
| jdeslip_ | \me doubts that too | 17:58 |
| MarkDude | jdeslip_, I spent a good part of last year in a wheelchair | 17:58 |
| MarkDude | No need to be a dick since you disagree | 17:58 |
| MarkDude | or call me less than honest | 17:59 |
| MarkDude | maybe my friends are PC | 17:59 |
| MarkDude | thts ok | 17:59 |
| jtatum | whee, i see this channel is "fun" again | 17:59 |
| * MarkDude does not think your experience is legit or not- it is your experience | 17:59 | |
| jamiedmattingly | and to think it all started when i asked for a flyer | 17:59 |
| jdeslip_ | I just meant I doubt that anyone told explicitly they were offended by the name "gimp" | 17:59 |
| * MarkDude does not walk in your shoes | 17:59 | |
| MarkDude | And thats ok Jack | 18:00 |
| jdeslip_ | Perhaps it is something you infered | 18:00 |
| MarkDude | you dont believe I have heard such things- not trying to prove it here | 18:00 |
| akk | jamiedmattingly: That'll teach you! :) | 18:00 |
| MarkDude | <jdeslip_> \me doubts it | 18:00 |
| jamiedmattingly | yeah lol | 18:00 |
| iheartubuntu | whats up with oneiricOneiric Ocelot | 18:00 |
| iheartubuntu | Oneiric Ocelot | 18:00 |
| iheartubuntu | which flyer? | 18:01 |
| pleia2 | iheartubuntu: jamiedmattingly is looking for an ubuntu hour flier | 18:01 |
| MarkDude | We are having a talk here- truth is akk and others may doubt what I say- your wordss implied I was leess than honest or sumthin' | 18:01 |
| iheartubuntu | ahhh | 18:01 |
| iheartubuntu | great idea. | 18:01 |
| iheartubuntu | if you dont find any i plan to make some | 18:01 |
| pleia2 | great! | 18:01 |
| akk | MarkDude: I never doubted what you say. I said ordinary/average people don't seem to be bothered by the name. | 18:01 |
| jamiedmattingly | was just thinking about passing some out tonight | 18:01 |
| * jdeslip_ always slant wrong ;) | 18:01 | |
| iheartubuntu | something easy for copying that can be pasted on boards all around campuses actually | 18:02 |
| MarkDude | We3ll I know | 18:02 |
| MarkDude | akk- I was using you as an example of fair dtalking/debate | 18:02 |
| akk | MarkDude: Folks in wheelchairs aren't average any more than geeks are. | 18:02 |
| MarkDude | I know akk | 18:02 |
| * MarkDude 's opinions changed last year | 18:02 | |
| MarkDude | Walking a mile in someones shoes mean a bit to me. | 18:03 |
| MarkDude | or living in a wheelchjair | 18:03 |
| * iheartubuntu forgot cellphone at home... feels NAKED!!! | 18:03 | |
| MarkDude | not being able to go to events due to stairs- maybe you do see things differently | 18:03 |
| pleia2 | iheartubuntu: I hate when I do that :\ | 18:03 |
| pleia2 | these days it mostly makes me worry that I'll get lost (I fail at sense of direction and clutch tightly to google maps) | 18:04 |
| * iheartubuntu resorts to pen and paper. havent done that in a while | 18:04 | |
| iheartubuntu | having a map in your pocket is more important than a phone for me | 18:05 |
| pleia2 | my printer used to be mostly used for printing maps | 18:06 |
| iheartubuntu | cha! | 18:06 |
| iheartubuntu | seidos or metta ... i found a great place near you to do an ubuntu hour | 18:07 |
| MarkDude | Peoples feelings in wheelchairs are just as legit in others. jdeslip_ one last question- is it the fact you have spoke to disabled people that has brought you to this opinion? Or did a few say it did not bug them- so it must be all? Most dont care- a few have said it offends them | 18:07 |
| iheartubuntu | (people dont get this if they are offline do they) | 18:07 |
| jdeslip_ | MarkDude: If you really meant that someone literally told you they were offended by the name GIMP (the literal interpretation of your words is all I "doubted") then I take my statement. But, I would add, that I don't think it is worth taking this person's opinion into consideration. If we did, we would never be able to choose any name... | 18:08 |
| * MarkDude conveyed what was *said* by person that uses wheels to get around | 18:09 | |
| jdeslip_ | I know plenty of people disabled in various ways (who isn't?) and non of them go around thinking product names are personal references | 18:09 |
| MarkDude | True- do all folks that cant heaqr properly mind the word DUMB? of course not- a few DO tho | 18:10 |
| MarkDude | Just because you find one that is ok- does not mean it is ok/ or not | 18:10 |
| iheartubuntu | Gimp - A narrow flat braid or rounded cord of fabric used for trimming. | 18:11 |
| iheartubuntu | from Ubuntu Dictionary... Gimp - noun - A narrow ornamental fabric of silk, woolen, or cotton, often with a metallic wire, or sometimes a coarse cord, running through it; -- used as trimming for dresses, furniture, etc. | 18:12 |
| iheartubuntu | (this is getting gimpy) | 18:12 |
| MarkDude | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gimp | 18:14 |
| * MarkDude 's limp is technically called a gimp walk | 18:14 | |
| MarkDude | Wishing it be different- is ok- maybe not reality based- but it is still ok | 18:15 |
| MarkDude | AGAIN, an opinion differnet than mine is ok, I am pointing out that my view is not being given the same respect | 18:16 |
| * MarkDude respectfully disagrees on this- the key word for me is respectfully | 18:16 | |
| MarkDude | Academia can use words as a crutch- and would rather explain why they are correct- as opposed to making room for others opinions | 18:17 |
| nhaines_ | pleia2: no ETA on the Ubucon media... I didn't get ahold of it this weekend so it might not be until next weekend. :( | 18:19 |
| iheartubuntu | get well first | 18:19 |
| pleia2 | nhaines_: ok thanks, I was just putting together the team report for the month and wanted them to link if they were floating around somewhere :) | 18:19 |
| nhaines_ | pleia2: Canonical is generously hosting the Ubucon videos, so there will be links from ubucon.org. | 18:20 |
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| pleia2 | nice | 18:20 |
| nhaines | Hmm, I've also found that GIMP doesn't seem to meet an adverse reaction in almost all cases. | 18:20 |
| nhaines | I used to expand the acronym and gloss it as "GIMP for short", but I don't even bother with that anymore. | 18:21 |
| iheartubuntu | i actually never thought about gimp in that way | 18:21 |
| nhaines | iheartubuntu: it was something I gave a lot of thought to early on but as with most things, it really is attitude and confidence that drive impressions. | 18:22 |
| MarkDude | nhaines, ty for saying that- I respect waht you say :) | 18:22 |
| iheartubuntu | might be because i use gimp a lot and i associate it with images, not in any other way. i guess it depends on what angle or side of the m diamond you view things from. | 18:22 |
| MarkDude | Even better to call it the FREE photoshop equivalent | 18:23 |
| nhaines | iheartubuntu: whenver I get giggles I smile and say, "Yeah, it's a silly name, but it's really powerful software" and redirect focus that way. | 18:23 |
| MarkDude | iheartubuntu, or if you have a really diverse group of friends | 18:23 |
| MarkDude | Most folks dont have to deal twith transgendered or non-identified people | 18:24 |
| pleia2 | MarkDude: but it's not, photoshop is a very different program that works differently and saying that it's the same only sets people up for disappointment and frustration (especially power photoshop users) | 18:24 |
| MarkDude | pleia2, so our equivalent would be? | 18:24 |
| nhaines | Since it's not a Photoshop equivalent and works very differently, and since a huge main point of my UpScale talk was "don't talk about Free Software being free as in beer," I disagree that that's better. :) | 18:25 |
| nhaines | I don't think we have an equivalent for Photoshop, although GIMP is certainly analogous. | 18:25 |
| iheartubuntu | it all depends on the person and if they view life as half full or half empty. a half full handicapped person my embrace GIMP for the name and a half empty person might view GIMP as a derogatory name. technically i had a gimpy leg for many years after being involved in a car accident. surgeries, wheelchairs & learning to walk again, etc. i should be the one concerned right? | 18:26 |
| MarkDude | Well tofu bugers are along the same lines as real burgers | 18:27 |
| MarkDude | No one can be made to feel inferior without them selves | 18:27 |
| MarkDude | Of course you should not feel bad if you do not | 18:27 |
| MarkDude | That would be like telling my friends that were at that Linux fund party a few years ago- that THEY shpould feel like a victim- just since others do | 18:28 |
| MarkDude | Anyway- consider me schooled | 18:29 |
| MarkDude | BTw, I use the term DAGo- and never get a bad reaction from it- as well as WOP, and guinea. see how well that works for you if you are not Italian. Just because a few may pet it fly- DOES not mean its ok for you to use ;) | 18:30 |
| * MarkDude 's last name is Terranova | 18:30 | |
| iheartubuntu | stranza! | 18:30 |
| iheartubuntu | sorry, its my new word i learned in italy last year :) | 18:31 |
| iheartubuntu | lots of stranza's there! | 18:31 |
| MarkDude | iheartubuntu, to answer your question- of course not- Anyone telling folks HOW they should FEEL about words- misses the point IMHO | 18:31 |
| akk | What's a stranza? | 18:33 |
| jamiedmattingly | a street | 18:34 |
| nhaines | akk: I was just saying that I was pretty surprised how the name GIMP has always been a non-issue when speaking to others. | 18:36 |
| jdeslip_ | iheartubuntu: I really like your website. The design is beautiful. | 18:36 |
| nhaines | akk: I tend to think it's more about confidence and attitude these days. | 18:36 |
| jdeslip_ | I have a question. Do you manually create all the header images (I wondered this about omg!ubuntu as well) or there somesort of wordpress plugin to make those | 18:37 |
| * iheartubuntu changes his cats name to "Mr. Oneiric" | 18:37 | |
| akk | nhaines: Probably so -- if you just say it matter-of-factly it doesn't seem to be a problem. | 18:37 |
| iheartubuntu | thanks jdeslip_ !! it will continue to go through some changes | 18:38 |
| iheartubuntu | i manually made them | 18:38 |
| iheartubuntu | stranza mean "@ss"... its slang from what i gathered. everyone called everyone that when i was there. | 18:39 |
| jdeslip_ | iheartubuntu: doesn't that become tedious making a fancy image for every post? | 18:40 |
| iheartubuntu | im only going to make it for flagship articles | 18:40 |
| iheartubuntu | will change them like once a week | 18:41 |
| jdeslip_ | Ah, that makes sense | 18:41 |
| iheartubuntu | we'll see how it goes for now. if i do better, i will have to keep up the pace with more images :) | 18:42 |
| jdeslip_ | By the way, I have found that submitting your articles to Linux Today, LXER etc... is a really good way to generate traffic | 18:42 |
| akk | "@ss" ? | 18:42 |
| jamiedmattingly | A ss | 18:42 |
| akk | ah | 18:42 |
| iheartubuntu | did i submit them to linux today? | 18:42 |
| jdeslip_ | The entries on berkeleylug.com that have made it onto Linux Today / LXER have over 100 times the traffic of other articles | 18:42 |
| iheartubuntu | how do i go about submitting them? | 18:43 |
| jdeslip_ | iheartubuntu: No, it was a suggestion. If you go to linuxtoday.com there is an option to "contribute" | 18:43 |
| jdeslip_ | They have accepted about 1/2 of the articles I have tried | 18:44 |
| jdeslip_ | To build of a reputation, I'd submit just articles that you think are your best | 18:44 |
| jdeslip_ | (and are timely) | 18:44 |
| iheartubuntu | from this page? http://www.linuxtoday.com/contribute.php3 | 18:45 |
| jdeslip_ | Ya, and make sure the first line of text is: "Original article: URL" | 18:45 |
| jdeslip_ | Then clicks will be directed to your page | 18:45 |
| iheartubuntu | i'll give it a try right now | 18:48 |
| jdeslip_ | Sweet. Good luck. Don't forget to try lxer too. And if you really want to hit them all: Digg's Linux category and Reddit's subcategories are great places too | 18:49 |
| iheartubuntu | do i also include the article text or just "Original article: URL" | 18:49 |
| jdeslip_ | I include the article text too | 18:49 |
| jdeslip_ | It seems like the usually post the first paragraph or so and then link to the original | 18:50 |
| jdeslip_ | It is amazing to me how successful omg!ubuntu is now. They are like the defacto news/opinion/announcement source for Ubuntu now. | 18:51 |
| MarkDude | nhaines, my experience has been 98% non-issue with the word GIMP- normally I would ignore that 2% - but, they are in a wheelchair- and I will make an exception. 2 years ago for CLS someone objected - to the term FAMILY- since they had negative experiences there | 18:51 |
| jdeslip_ | iheartubuntu: your design could definitely compete with them. And two is always better than one :) | 18:52 |
| iheartubuntu | actually thats my goal ;) | 18:52 |
| * MarkDude opinion was forget them- I am aware my attention to this seems similar to pandering- and THAT would be the best reason to object ;) | 18:52 | |
| iheartubuntu | not really to compete but to offer an alternative | 18:52 |
| jdeslip_ | Sounds good. Will take some time to build up to that level. | 18:53 |
| iheartubuntu | for sure | 18:53 |
| iheartubuntu | do people use digg or reddit anymore? | 18:54 |
| jdeslip_ | Reddit is definitely still used a lot | 18:54 |
| iheartubuntu | those were so 2008 i thought | 18:54 |
| jdeslip_ | Digg is slowly dying away I think... | 18:54 |
| jdeslip_ | They made some bad changes last year | 18:54 |
| nhaines | Instead of "ignoring" that supposed 2%, I recommend "managing". | 18:55 |
| jdeslip_ | But, I think you can still generate a lot of links from them still. Lot's of people subsribe to the "Linux new" feed | 18:55 |
| MarkDude | nhaines, - as near as I can tell we BOTH wear equality on our sleeve- we are not really at risk of much- folks give us a chance (usually) to clarify | 18:56 |
| MarkDude | the fact I fight for equality- counts for sumthin' with a few ;) | 18:57 |
| MarkDude | Manage is a good word for this situation- ty | 18:58 |
| iheartubuntu | jdeslip_ 0 i posted two articles.. interesting to see what hits i get now | 18:59 |
| nhaines | Okay, I have a meeting to chair. bbl. | 18:59 |
| jdeslip_ | iheartubuntu: I'll keep a look out to see if they show up on LT | 18:59 |
| iheartubuntu | thanks | 19:00 |
| jamiedmattingly | what kind of articles do you write iheartubuntu? | 19:02 |
| * iheartubuntu Just a quick reminder: I will be placing that order to the Ubuntu Store next tuesday (just over a week away) | 19:02 | |
| iheartubuntu | ubuntu articles | 19:02 |
| jamiedmattingly | where are they? | 19:03 |
| iheartubuntu | not to spam i sent u a personal IM | 19:03 |
| jamiedmattingly | thank you | 19:03 |
| iheartubuntu | but add .com after my name :) | 19:03 |
| jamiedmattingly | you wrote all content on there? | 19:04 |
| iheartubuntu | yesser | 19:05 |
| iheartubuntu | * remind me not to run virtualbox on a single core computer anymore. ugggh. my whole system is dogging right now | 19:07 |
| nhaines | iheartubuntu: ha, it's usually okay once the guest OS finishes thrashing. | 19:08 |
| iheartubuntu | i have kubuntu on it and doing like 600 updates :( and now installing them | 19:09 |
| iheartubuntu | i dont notice anything on my home setup with dual core | 19:09 |
| nhaines | iheartubuntu: I went to quadcore from ancient single-core because the same thing happened to me in Ubuntu except when I ran updates on my own machine. ;) | 19:13 |
| iheartubuntu | im looking into getting a new system. my desktop at home is 4 yrs old and my one here at work is 6 yrs old. both P4 and well adequate for most all tasks. i may look into a multi core laptop next | 19:24 |
| iheartubuntu | might even consider switching what I have to run off of flash drives so they are faster | 19:25 |
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| nhaines | Flash drives have their own set of quirks. :) I'd say for a system drive they'd be great. I might throw /var on another drive though. | 19:33 |
| iheartubuntu | yah i was thinking for the OS, then use my current drives for all info. then again, my drives are maxxed out already! like 3 TB filled and i need to do soemthing about it | 19:34 |
| nhaines | On an alpha 3ish form of maverick, I ran a benchmark. | 19:34 |
| nhaines | My WD Caviar Green drive booted in about 56 seconds or so. Bootloader to desktop. | 19:34 |
| * iheartubuntu cleaned real house yesterday. computer "house" is a mess | 19:35 | |
| nhaines | It's a 1TB advanced format drive. | 19:35 |
| nhaines | My 80GB WD Velociraptor drive booted in 26 seconds. | 19:35 |
| iheartubuntu | WOW | 19:35 |
| nhaines | But a WD Silicondrive booted in 12.5 seconds. | 19:35 |
| nhaines | And if I recall correctly, disk access basically stopped at 6.6 seconds and the CPU was pegged for the last 6 seconds of boot. | 19:36 |
| nhaines | Let's also pretend I didn't typo the name of the product my company makes, the WD SiliconEdge Blue drive. :P | 19:36 |
| nhaines | Every time I want to put an SSD into my laptop I remember it's a PATA laptop and I curse under my breath. :) | 19:39 |
| iheartubuntu | so can you get CA team members a WD discount? :) | 19:44 |
| jdeslip_ | pleia2: Now that you have had the CR-48 for awhile, what are your opinions? | 19:50 |
| iheartubuntu | tomorrow is International Womens Day! in case I forget, happy intl womens day to all women here!! akk jledbetter pleia2 and others i do not know! | 19:51 |
| jdeslip_ | I hate to say i | 20:11 |
| jdeslip_ | it but I think Ubuntu is now too late to do anything in the tablet market... :/ | 20:12 |
| jdeslip_ | Android 3.0 is pretty slick | 20:12 |
| nhaines | iheartubuntu: actually, I think I can have a coupon sent to friends' email addresses. I'm not going to give out the coupon code in channel though. :) | 20:16 |
| nhaines | jdeslip_: I'm actually looking forward to an Ubuntu tablet over an Android tablet. | 20:17 |
| iheartubuntu | np | 20:17 |
| iheartubuntu | i would buy an ubuntu tablet | 20:17 |
| nhaines | jdeslip_: I'd *love* an Android tablet but I already have a slick Android phone... and I'd rather have a tablet for the same reason I'd use a netbook. | 20:17 |
| nhaines | So for that I want a "real" computer. | 20:17 |
| iheartubuntu | dave@iheartubuntu.com | 20:18 |
| nhaines | Duly noted, by SKYNET. | 20:18 |
| iheartubuntu | yikes | 20:19 |
| iheartubuntu | i would think ZaReason or Sys76 is frantically working on tablets | 20:19 |
| nhaines | iheartubuntu: Zareason is coming to market with an Android 3.0 tablet later this year. I told them if they offer a solid Ubuntu tablet I will buy one--and they said they had a lot of requests for one at SCaLE, too. | 20:20 |
| nhaines | It seemed to catch them offguard... they thought Android was the tablet mojo. :) | 20:21 |
| iheartubuntu | maybe i should look into it and fill the void :D | 20:21 |
| MarkDude | nhaines, they wont do it- unless they have the source open | 20:21 |
| MarkDude | so they are dealing with OEM now | 20:21 |
| MarkDude | unless the tablet is open source- they wont sell it | 20:22 |
| MarkDude | They are waiting on a big company- the tablet they have is great | 20:22 |
| nhaines | Since both Android and Ubuntu are open source projects, that makes absolutely no sense. | 20:24 |
| jdeslip_ | nhaines: the problem is ubuntu is not ready for tablets - and doesn't look like it will be for at least a phew cycles | 20:31 |
| jdeslip_ | step one would be a decent keyboard | 20:32 |
| jdeslip_ | (on screen) | 20:32 |
| nhaines | jdeslip_: well, the previous stated target was 12.04 LTS. | 20:32 |
| iheartubuntu | didnt i see someone sitting in on ubucon running a tablet with ubuntu on it? | 20:32 |
| jdeslip_ | That is way too late ... :/ | 20:32 |
| nhaines | And I told Kathy as much too--that I was expecting Aprilish but if good hardware hit first I'd grab it. | 20:33 |
| nhaines | jdeslip_: Ubuntu isn't going to compete against iPad and Android tablets. There's no comparision. | 20:33 |
| jdeslip_ | iheartubuntu: you CAN do it. But, Ubuntu just isn't nice on tablets. | 20:33 |
| nhaines | jdeslip_: have you run Ubuntu on a tablet? I'd be curious to hear what was not good (other than keyboard--*that* I can imagine, sigh). | 20:33 |
| jdeslip_ | I had thinkpad tablet in our group | 20:34 |
| jdeslip_ | (one with stylus) | 20:34 |
| jdeslip_ | Basically the problem was that 99% of the software was harder to use in tablet mode than without. Everything was a bit clunky, drag-n-drop cut and paste etc.. | 20:35 |
| jdeslip_ | The drawing tools were nice ;) | 20:36 |
| nhaines | ha! | 20:37 |
| jdeslip_ | And, while Ubuntu is taking it's time, Android is getting more like a "complete computer" in every release | 20:39 |
| jdeslip_ | There is almost nothing I can do on my laptop I can't do in Honeycomb. With the exception of running eclipse ;) | 20:39 |
| jdeslip_ | There is also the problem that no apps have been written with a touch-screen in mind. I.e. you can really play any existing game (comfortably) :/ | 20:47 |
| jdeslip_ | I like the idea of having the ordinary X.org stack on a tablet... but Ubuntu should have been pushing this as a priority 12 months ago :( | 20:49 |
| jdeslip_ | Ah well. Maybe someday there will be an Ubuntu tablet for me to buy and love :) | 20:56 |
| jamiedmattingly | is there a brand or line of computers specificly made for ubuntu instead of just old pcs and macs with ubuntu loaded on them? | 21:59 |
| pleia2 | system76.com and zareason.com both sell just linux pcs | 22:00 |
| pleia2 | (they don't even offer windows) | 22:00 |
| pleia2 | jdeslip_: I really like the cr-48, but mostly it sits by my bed and I watch shows from video.pbs.org | 22:01 |
| jamiedmattingly | thanks pleia2 | 22:01 |
| nhaines | I don't think Android offers a competitive tablet experience compared to Ubuntu or Windows 7. | 22:39 |
| nhaines | I think you end up with two different experiences with a full OS or a tablet OS. | 22:39 |
| nhaines | In my case, I just don't want a tablet OS. | 22:39 |
| jamiedmattingly | remember everyone if you havent heard yet--tonight is the first ever ubuntu hour in vallejo | 22:45 |
| iheartubuntu | way to go... are you hosting jamiedmattingly | 22:56 |
| jamiedmattingly | yes this is my first one | 22:57 |
| jamiedmattingly | ive only been to one other lol | 22:57 |
| jamiedmattingly | where are you from iheartubuntu? | 23:02 |
| iheartubuntu | pasadena area | 23:02 |
| jamiedmattingly | ok so im guessing you wont make it tonight lol | 23:03 |
| jamiedmattingly | eventually down the road some i want to find a bar with wifi ought to make the ubuntu hour more fun with some beers instead of coffee :) | 23:06 |
| jdeslip_ | ls | 23:38 |
| * jdeslip_ is having a really bad irc day ... | 23:38 | |
| jtatum | hope your irc day improves, jdeslip_ | 23:41 |
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