[01:03] <metta> where can i get more of those meerkat stickers?  i want to hand them out to students
[01:04] <metta> my niece loved it
[02:45] <eps> akk: what's an appropriate venue to argue the merits of LAX [e.g. for SCaLE]? :-)
[02:46] <akk> eps: My blog. :) Seriously, I don't know -- mail to some SCALE organizer alias?
[02:47] <eps> akk: It doesn't look to me like your blog accepts outside comments.
[02:48] <akk> No, it doesn't. I wish I had comments, just not enough to figure out how to offer them.
[02:50] <eps> Well, I guess that's a better answer than "/dev/null" or "port 9" ;-)
[02:56] <akk> It's definitely not "I don't want to hear comments", just that I'm set up in a way that makes it difficult to have them.
[03:43] <pleia2> finished up work on our team report for stuff I had details for, so if others have things to add please do :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/11/February
[03:49] <eps> pleia2: Feburary?
[03:49] <iheartubuntu> DarkwingDuck -> Im going to be using Kubuntu this next week and blogging about it.
[03:51] <pleia2> eps: yes, the report covers activities completed in february
[03:53] <eps> pleia2: It says FebURary
[03:53] <pleia2> yes, there are some typos, the URL is right though
[03:53] <eps> Your pix look awesome, BTW.
[03:54]  * pleia2 is sick and typo-ridden
[03:54] <pleia2> but at least the report is done! ;)
[03:54] <pleia2> well, as done as I can make it
[03:54] <iheartubuntu> can anyone recommend a specific Ubuntu flyer I can pin up to note boards around campuses? There are a few in the spread ubuntu site, with pull tags. Neat idea, but the look of those flyers is a bit dated now.
[03:55] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: the purple flier is up there somewhere
[03:59] <eps> I'm starting to think about Release Parties. :-)
[04:00] <pleia2> our release installfest at noisebridge last spring was a lot of fun
[04:00] <pleia2> so long as we don't schedule it the same weekend as that parade in the mission :)
[04:01] <eps> Uh-oh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/NattyRelease says "DO NOT install Lucid on production machines."
[04:01] <pleia2> eps: it's a wiki, you can fix problems!
[04:01] <pleia2> no "uh-oh" just fix it :)
[04:02] <eps> Really? Did they fix the OpenID bug?
[04:02] <pleia2> have you tried recently?
[04:02] <pleia2> I'm surprised no one from the launchpad team has gotten back to you about it :(
[04:04] <eps> TypeError / __init__() takes exactly 2 arguments (3 given) / If you want to report a bug, please save this page and attach it to your bug report.
[04:04] <pleia2> what's your bug report number?
[04:04] <eps> So that would be a "no."
[04:04] <pleia2> you can probably bring it to #launchpad, it's been months
[04:05] <eps> I don't remember. I'm not the only one who ran into this. I don't think they care.
[04:05] <pleia2> so you've gone to #launchpad and talked to them?
[04:05] <eps> It only seems to affect wiki.ubuntu.com; I can edit help.ubuntu.com just fine.
[04:08] <pleia2> oh well, I updated the wiki page
[04:08] <eps> Thanks.
[04:09] <pleia2> just remember we're a team, instead of being passive aggressive about things with "Feburary?" and "uh-oh" you could just tells us there is a typo so we can fix it :)
[04:10] <pleia2> makes it much easier so we don't need to guess what the problem is
[04:11] <eps> More bad news: Accoutrements has discontinued the "Avenging Narwhal Play Set." http://www.mcphee.com/shop/products/Avenging-Narwhal-Play-Set.html
[04:11] <pleia2> aww
[04:12] <pleia2> I did find a stuffed animal narwhal
[04:12] <pleia2> http://www.squishable.com/pc/squish_narwhal_15/Big_Animals/Big+Squishable+Narwhal
[04:12] <pleia2> they were out of stock, but now they have some!
[04:12] <eps> They do have http://www.mcphee.com/shop/products/Narwhal-Horns-Candy.html
[04:13] <eps> And, of course, the terribly frightening http://www.mcphee.com/shop/products/Latex-Penguin-Mask.html
[04:13] <pleia2> ah they have a mini one!! http://www.squishable.com/pc/mini_squish_narwhal_7/Squishable_Mini/Mini+Squishable+Narwhal
[04:14] <akk> Love that penguin mask :)
[04:33] <eps> pleia2: I have an idea for something fun to try at a Release Party ... something that will keep people engaged for a while and give them a nifty souvenir at the end:
[04:33] <pleia2> yeah?
[04:34] <eps> You may recognize this: http://axlotl.com/shapes/penguin.pdf
[04:35] <pleia2> I think my hands would fall off just cutting out one of those :)
[04:36] <eps> The most popular paper models take 30-60 minutes to construct.
[04:41] <eps> That strikes me as a reasonable amount of time. And it would give the geeks' other halves something to do while the rest of us talk about computers. :-)
[04:44] <jtatum> my other half would rather talk about computers
[04:44] <pleia2> mine too, but not everyone's ;)
[04:45] <pleia2> I could probably print off some color ones
[04:45] <eps> Exactly.
[04:46] <eps> Something like this is beyond most of us: http://www.gerdy.org/?p=42
[04:47] <pleia2> the penguin is probably beyond me, erichammond had to give us a cd sleeve folding session at scale :)
[04:51] <eps> Here's a simple penguin (not Tux): http://www.adamdorman.com/news-detail.php?article=86&page=1
[04:59] <eps> See the notes at the bottom of http://www.chthulhu.com/handout.html for some important technical details.
[06:34] <eps> Cubee Tux: http://www.cubeecraft.com/cubee/tux
[15:31] <jamiedmattingly> good morning monday !!!  :)
[17:04] <jamiedmattingly> does anyone have or know of a flyer for ubuntu hour that i may be able to edit or use as template for one in vallejo
[17:21] <jamiedmattingly> pleia2,  is there soe sort of flyer for ubuntu hour?
[17:22] <pleia2> there might be some around, but I don't think I've seen one
[17:22] <pleia2> can try searching spreadubuntu.com
[17:22] <MarkDude> lol
[17:22] <pleia2> ?
[17:22] <MarkDude> There has never been a time that word was not funny
[17:23] <pleia2> some of the material on the website can be a bit dated, but you might find some stuff new enough to be ubuntu hour-y
[17:23] <MarkDude> Try saying that word to the public at large- they find it amusing- even more so than the word loco
[17:23] <MarkDude> Great site- dont get me wrong
[17:23] <pleia2> MarkDude: mind.out.of.gutter.
[17:23] <MarkDude> Just not a good word to use with the public
[17:24] <pleia2> it's a marketing site
[17:24] <MarkDude> pleia2, aks some no-geeks what they think
[17:24] <pleia2> I've never even thought of it as dirty
[17:24]  * MarkDude did not notise this
[17:24] <MarkDude> me neither until - the public pointed out how funny it was- besides- you said *dirty* I said funny
[17:25] <pleia2> I guess we're thinking of some other reference then
[17:26] <pleia2> the only one I can think of is dirty, not funny
[17:26] <MarkDude> Well - in other words - I used another word- YOU saw what a few non-geeks see
[17:27] <MarkDude> The public laughs at the loco thing- hence I stopped using that word
[17:28] <MarkDude> Just asked a barrista- he saw the word- and laughed REAL loud
[17:29] <MarkDude> GO ask a few folks- people that cant name at least 3 programming languages
[17:29]  * MarkDude is not trying to be rude here- just pointing out a liability folks may not see
[17:29] <MarkDude> Loudly laughed- upon seeing the word- try this folks
[17:31] <pleia2> I was giving a link to the marketing site to our fellow team member, even if you find the site name funny I don't understand the "liability" here
[17:32] <pleia2> I don't use "loco" either, or "ubuntero"
[17:33] <MarkDude> Well I have heard folks say the name of the site- as opposed to just mentioning the material
[17:35]  * MarkDude is an expert at dealing with the public- just trying to clue folks in on this sort of thing- it is very similar to trying to explain what Open Source means 
[17:35] <MarkDude> really important and great stuff- but many of us geeks feel the need to use the exact name
[17:35] <MarkDude> as opposed to the ideas behind this
[17:37] <jamiedmattingly> wow didnt mean to start a fight sorry guys
[17:38] <pleia2> not a fight
[17:40] <MarkDude> fight?
[17:40]  * MarkDude issued a waring to folks that some think the phrase is silly- 
[17:41] <MarkDude> folks can do whatever they want
[17:41]  * MarkDude and my opinions are just that :)
[17:41] <MarkDude> Lyz- shared hers- its ok jamiedmattingly
[17:44] <jdeslip_> Might I recommend this piece of fine marketing for an ubuntu-hour: http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/brochure/got-ubuntu-what-do-now
[17:44] <jdeslip_> :)
[17:45] <MarkDude> You folks and your dirty minds- the most common reaction is that it sounds like sumthin' to put on toast
[17:49] <jdeslip_> Personally I like the name. :/ There is also spreadfirefox - which is a well known site.
[17:50]  * MarkDude never said like/dislike- more that the general public view the word as silly
[17:50] <MarkDude> only had maybe 2 people think dirty- most start thinking of FOOD
[17:51] <jdeslip_> People put too much stock into names; yet the best selling gadget of 2010 was named the same as female hygiene product ;)
[17:51] <MarkDude> like an easily spreadable margarine or sumthin
[17:51] <jdeslip_> So, apparently names don't matter much :/
[17:51] <pleia2> yeah, the ubuntu site name is taken from the firefox idea
[17:51] <MarkDude> You forgot the part about it being sold by a cultish company ;)
[17:52] <akk> jdeslip_: And before that, there was the Wii
[17:52] <jdeslip_> akk: true
[17:52] <akk> Names can help -- google got some boost from that, surely -- but I agree they're not as important as we tend to think.
[17:53] <MarkDude> Cool- and all of those phrases might be an issue- if I were attempting to share them with thte public at large
[17:53] <MarkDude> for us akk
[17:53] <MarkDude> the public- we can sound like reall asses forcing the use of Open Source
[17:53] <akk> If names were critical, nobody would ever use gimp. :)
[17:53]  * MarkDude does not actually use that word
[17:54] <MarkDude> uses the full name for classes we teach
[17:55] <MarkDude> why would the general public *care about a developer style? More often they care about the connection it has to people
[17:55] <jdeslip_> MarkDude: Yes, trying to force people to use opensource does make you look like an ass; but the spreadubuntu/spreadfirefox are just websites that give people info - I think they can tell the difference
[17:55] <akk> MarkDude: I always wonder about it when I describe it to people who've never heard of it -- I have the same reflexes you do, avoid using stupid names in front of newbies -- but since I can't avoid saying "gimp", I've noticed it doesn't seem to have the reaction I would have expected.
[17:55] <MarkDude> Its not a good word - flat out
[17:56] <MarkDude> and exhibits a form of ableism
[17:56] <akk> I don't think that's something ordinary people think about either.
[17:57]  * MarkDude is better than most at dealing with the public- not as much my opinion - as what others have said to me- if my opinions fall flat so be it
[17:57] <akk> (I agree it's not a good name, but we're pretty much stuck with it)
[17:57] <MarkDude> Just trying to give people a pointer
[17:57] <jdeslip_> lol - I don't think anyone cares about the name gimp; the most important feature in a name as far as "selling" your product to the public is that it is memorable.
[17:57] <jdeslip_> I think the gimp satisfies that
[17:57] <MarkDude> Disabled people do jdeslip_
[17:58] <jdeslip_> \me doubts it
[17:58]  * MarkDude 's own ears have heard this
[17:58] <jdeslip_> \me doubts that too
[17:58] <MarkDude> jdeslip_, I spent a good part of last year in a wheelchair
[17:58] <MarkDude> No need to be a dick since you disagree
[17:59] <MarkDude> or call me less than honest
[17:59] <MarkDude> maybe my friends are PC
[17:59] <MarkDude> thts ok
[17:59] <jtatum> whee, i see this channel is "fun" again
[17:59]  * MarkDude does not think your experience is legit or not- it is your experience
[17:59] <jamiedmattingly> and to think it all started when i asked for a flyer
[17:59] <jdeslip_> I just meant I doubt that anyone told explicitly they were offended by the name "gimp"
[17:59]  * MarkDude does not walk in your shoes
[18:00] <MarkDude> And thats ok Jack
[18:00] <jdeslip_> Perhaps it is something you infered
[18:00] <MarkDude> you dont believe I have heard such things- not trying to prove it here
[18:00] <akk> jamiedmattingly: That'll teach you! :)
 \me doubts it
[18:00] <jamiedmattingly> yeah lol
[18:00] <iheartubuntu> whats up with oneiricOneiric Ocelot
[18:00] <iheartubuntu> Oneiric Ocelot
[18:01] <iheartubuntu> which flyer?
[18:01] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: jamiedmattingly is looking for an ubuntu hour flier
[18:01] <MarkDude> We are having a talk here- truth is akk and others may doubt what I say- your wordss implied I was leess than honest or sumthin'
[18:01] <iheartubuntu> ahhh
[18:01] <iheartubuntu> great idea.
[18:01] <iheartubuntu> if you dont find any i plan to make some
[18:01] <pleia2> great!
[18:01] <akk> MarkDude: I never doubted what you say. I said ordinary/average people don't seem to be bothered by the name.
[18:01] <jamiedmattingly> was just thinking about passing some out tonight
[18:01]  * jdeslip_ always slant wrong ;)
[18:02] <iheartubuntu> something easy for copying that can be pasted on boards all around campuses actually
[18:02] <MarkDude> We3ll I know
[18:02] <MarkDude> akk- I was using you as an example of fair dtalking/debate
[18:02] <akk> MarkDude: Folks in wheelchairs aren't average any more than geeks are.
[18:02] <MarkDude> I know akk
[18:02]  * MarkDude 's opinions changed last year
[18:03] <MarkDude> Walking a mile in someones shoes mean a bit to me.
[18:03] <MarkDude> or living in a wheelchjair
[18:03]  * iheartubuntu forgot cellphone at home... feels NAKED!!!
[18:03] <MarkDude> not being able to go to events due to stairs- maybe you do see things differently
[18:03] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: I hate when I do that :\
[18:04] <pleia2> these days it mostly makes me worry that I'll get lost (I fail at sense of direction and clutch tightly to google maps)
[18:04]  * iheartubuntu resorts to pen and paper. havent done that in a while
[18:05] <iheartubuntu> having a map in your pocket is more important than a phone for me
[18:06] <pleia2> my printer used to be mostly used for printing maps
[18:06] <iheartubuntu> cha!
[18:07] <iheartubuntu> seidos or metta ... i found a great place near you to do an ubuntu hour
[18:07] <MarkDude> Peoples feelings in wheelchairs are just as legit in others. jdeslip_ one last question- is it the fact you have spoke to disabled people that has brought you to this opinion? Or did a few say it did not bug them- so it must be all? Most dont care- a few have said it offends them
[18:07] <iheartubuntu> (people dont get this if they are offline do they)
[18:08] <jdeslip_> MarkDude: If you really meant that someone literally told you they were offended by the name GIMP (the literal interpretation of your words is all I "doubted") then I take my statement.  But, I would add, that I don't think it is worth taking this person's opinion into consideration.  If we did, we would never be able to choose any name...
[18:09]  * MarkDude conveyed what was *said* by person that uses wheels to get around
[18:09] <jdeslip_> I know plenty of people disabled in various ways (who isn't?) and non of them go around thinking product names are personal references
[18:10] <MarkDude> True- do all folks that cant heaqr properly mind the word DUMB? of course not- a few DO tho
[18:10] <MarkDude> Just because you find one that is ok- does not mean it is ok/ or not
[18:11] <iheartubuntu> Gimp - A narrow flat braid or rounded cord of fabric used for trimming.
[18:12] <iheartubuntu> from Ubuntu Dictionary... Gimp - noun -  A narrow ornamental fabric of silk, woolen, or cotton, often with a metallic wire, or sometimes a coarse cord, running through it; -- used as trimming for dresses, furniture, etc.
[18:12] <iheartubuntu> (this is getting gimpy)
[18:14] <MarkDude> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gimp
[18:14]  * MarkDude 's limp is technically called a gimp walk
[18:15] <MarkDude> Wishing it be different- is ok- maybe not reality based- but it is still ok
[18:16] <MarkDude> AGAIN, an opinion differnet than mine is ok, I am pointing out that my view is not being given the same respect
[18:16]  * MarkDude respectfully disagrees on this- the key word for me is respectfully
[18:17] <MarkDude> Academia can use words as a crutch- and would rather explain why they are correct- as opposed to making room for others opinions
[18:19] <nhaines_> pleia2: no ETA on the Ubucon media... I didn't get ahold of it this weekend so it might not be until next weekend.  :(
[18:19] <iheartubuntu> get well first
[18:19] <pleia2> nhaines_: ok thanks, I was just putting together the team report for the month and wanted them to link if they were floating around somewhere :)
[18:20] <nhaines_> pleia2: Canonical is generously hosting the Ubucon videos, so there will be links from ubucon.org.
[18:20] <pleia2> nice
[18:20] <nhaines> Hmm, I've also found that GIMP doesn't seem to meet an adverse reaction in almost all cases.
[18:21] <nhaines> I used to expand the acronym and gloss it as "GIMP for short", but I don't even bother with that anymore.
[18:21] <iheartubuntu> i actually never thought about gimp in that way
[18:22] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: it was something I gave a lot of thought to early on but as with most things, it really is attitude and confidence that drive impressions.
[18:22] <MarkDude> nhaines, ty for saying that- I respect waht you say :)
[18:22] <iheartubuntu> might be because i use gimp a lot and i associate it with images, not in any other way. i guess it depends on what angle or side of the m diamond you view things from.
[18:23] <MarkDude> Even better to call it the FREE photoshop equivalent
[18:23] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: whenver I get giggles I smile and say, "Yeah, it's a silly name, but it's really powerful software" and redirect focus that way.
[18:23] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, or if you have a really diverse group of friends
[18:24] <MarkDude> Most folks dont have to deal twith transgendered or non-identified people
[18:24] <pleia2> MarkDude: but it's not, photoshop is a very different program that works differently and saying that it's the same only sets people up for disappointment and frustration (especially power photoshop users)
[18:24] <MarkDude> pleia2, so our equivalent would be?
[18:25] <nhaines> Since it's not a Photoshop equivalent and works very differently, and since a huge main point of my UpScale talk was "don't talk about Free Software being free as in beer," I disagree that that's better.  :)
[18:25] <nhaines> I don't think we have an equivalent for Photoshop, although GIMP is certainly analogous.
[18:26] <iheartubuntu> it all depends on the person and if they view life as half full or half empty. a half full handicapped person my embrace GIMP for the name and a half empty person might view GIMP as a derogatory name. technically i had a gimpy leg for many years after being involved in a car accident. surgeries, wheelchairs & learning to walk again, etc. i should be the one concerned right?
[18:27] <MarkDude> Well tofu bugers are along the same lines as real burgers
[18:27] <MarkDude> No one can be made to feel inferior without them selves
[18:27] <MarkDude> Of course you should not feel bad if you do not
[18:28] <MarkDude> That would be like telling my friends that were at that Linux fund party a few years ago- that THEY shpould feel like a victim- just since others do
[18:29] <MarkDude> Anyway- consider me schooled
[18:30] <MarkDude> BTw, I use the term DAGo- and never get a bad reaction from it- as well as WOP, and guinea. see how well that works for you if you are not Italian. Just because a few may pet it fly- DOES not mean its ok for you to use ;)
[18:30]  * MarkDude 's last name is Terranova
[18:30] <iheartubuntu> stranza!
[18:31] <iheartubuntu> sorry, its my new word i learned in italy last year :)
[18:31] <iheartubuntu> lots of stranza's there!
[18:31] <MarkDude> iheartubuntu, to answer your question- of course not- Anyone telling folks HOW they should FEEL about words- misses the point IMHO
[18:33] <akk> What's a stranza?
[18:34] <jamiedmattingly> a street
[18:36] <nhaines> akk: I was just saying that I was pretty surprised how the name GIMP has always been a non-issue when speaking to others.
[18:36] <jdeslip_> iheartubuntu: I really like your website.  The design is beautiful.
[18:36] <nhaines> akk: I tend to think it's more about confidence and attitude these days.
[18:37] <jdeslip_> I have a question.  Do you manually create all the header images (I wondered this about omg!ubuntu as well) or there somesort of wordpress plugin to make those
[18:37]  * iheartubuntu changes his cats name to "Mr. Oneiric"
[18:37] <akk> nhaines: Probably so -- if you just say it matter-of-factly it doesn't seem to be a problem.
[18:38] <iheartubuntu> thanks jdeslip_ !! it will continue to go through some changes
[18:38] <iheartubuntu> i manually made them
[18:39] <iheartubuntu> stranza mean "@ss"... its slang from what i gathered. everyone called everyone that when i was there.
[18:40] <jdeslip_> iheartubuntu: doesn't that become tedious making a fancy image for every post?
[18:40] <iheartubuntu> im only going to make it for flagship articles
[18:41] <iheartubuntu> will change them like once a week
[18:41] <jdeslip_> Ah, that makes sense
[18:42] <iheartubuntu> we'll see how it goes for now. if i do better, i will have to keep up the pace with more images :)
[18:42] <jdeslip_> By the way, I have found that submitting your articles to Linux Today, LXER etc... is a really good way to generate traffic
[18:42] <akk> "@ss" ?
[18:42] <jamiedmattingly> A ss
[18:42] <akk> ah
[18:42] <iheartubuntu> did i  submit them to linux today?
[18:42] <jdeslip_> The entries on berkeleylug.com that have made it onto Linux Today / LXER have over 100 times the traffic of other articles
[18:43] <iheartubuntu> how do i go about submitting them?
[18:43] <jdeslip_> iheartubuntu: No, it was a suggestion.  If you go to linuxtoday.com there is an option to "contribute"
[18:44] <jdeslip_> They have accepted about 1/2 of the articles I have tried
[18:44] <jdeslip_> To build of a reputation, I'd submit just articles that you think are your best
[18:44] <jdeslip_> (and are timely)
[18:45] <iheartubuntu> from this page? http://www.linuxtoday.com/contribute.php3
[18:45] <jdeslip_> Ya, and make sure the first line of text is: "Original article: URL"
[18:45] <jdeslip_> Then clicks will be directed to your page
[18:48] <iheartubuntu> i'll give it a try right now
[18:49] <jdeslip_> Sweet. Good luck. Don't forget to try lxer too.  And if you really want to hit them all: Digg's Linux category and Reddit's subcategories are great places too
[18:49] <iheartubuntu> do i also include the article text or just "Original article: URL"
[18:49] <jdeslip_> I include the article text too
[18:50] <jdeslip_> It seems like the usually post the first paragraph or so and then link to the original
[18:51] <jdeslip_> It is amazing to me how successful omg!ubuntu is now.  They are like the defacto news/opinion/announcement source for Ubuntu now.
[18:51] <MarkDude> nhaines, my experience has been 98% non-issue with the word GIMP- normally I would ignore that 2% - but, they are in a wheelchair- and I will make an exception. 2 years ago for CLS someone objected - to the term FAMILY- since they had negative experiences there
[18:52] <jdeslip_> iheartubuntu: your design could definitely compete with them.  And two is always better than one :)
[18:52] <iheartubuntu> actually thats my goal ;)
[18:52]  * MarkDude opinion was forget them- I am aware my attention to this seems similar to pandering- and THAT would be the best reason to object ;)
[18:52] <iheartubuntu> not really to compete but to offer an alternative
[18:53] <jdeslip_> Sounds good.  Will take some time to build up to that level.
[18:53] <iheartubuntu> for sure
[18:54] <iheartubuntu> do people use digg or reddit anymore?
[18:54] <jdeslip_> Reddit is definitely still used a lot
[18:54] <iheartubuntu> those were so 2008 i thought
[18:54] <jdeslip_> Digg is slowly dying away I think...
[18:54] <jdeslip_> They made some bad changes last year
[18:55] <nhaines> Instead of "ignoring" that supposed 2%, I recommend "managing".
[18:55] <jdeslip_> But, I think you can still generate a lot of links from them still.  Lot's of people subsribe to the "Linux new" feed
[18:56] <MarkDude> nhaines, - as near as I can tell we BOTH wear equality on our sleeve- we are not really at risk of much- folks give us a chance (usually) to clarify
[18:57] <MarkDude> the fact I fight for equality- counts for sumthin' with a few ;)
[18:58] <MarkDude> Manage is a good word for this situation- ty
[18:59] <iheartubuntu> jdeslip_ 0 i posted two articles.. interesting to see what hits i get now
[18:59] <nhaines> Okay, I have a meeting to chair.  bbl.
[18:59] <jdeslip_> iheartubuntu: I'll keep a look out to see if they show up on LT
[19:00] <iheartubuntu> thanks
[19:02] <jamiedmattingly> what kind of articles do you write iheartubuntu?
[19:02]  * iheartubuntu Just a quick reminder: I will be placing that order to the Ubuntu Store next tuesday (just over a week away)
[19:02] <iheartubuntu> ubuntu articles
[19:03] <jamiedmattingly> where are they?
[19:03] <iheartubuntu> not to spam i sent u a personal IM
[19:03] <jamiedmattingly> thank you
[19:03] <iheartubuntu> but add .com after my name :)
[19:04] <jamiedmattingly> you wrote all content on there?
[19:05] <iheartubuntu> yesser
[19:07] <iheartubuntu> * remind me not to run virtualbox on a single core computer anymore. ugggh. my whole system is dogging right now
[19:08] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: ha, it's usually okay once the guest OS finishes thrashing.
[19:09] <iheartubuntu> i have kubuntu on it and doing like 600 updates :( and now installing them
[19:09] <iheartubuntu> i dont notice anything on my home setup with dual core
[19:13] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: I went to quadcore from ancient single-core because the same thing happened to me in Ubuntu except when I ran updates on my own machine.  ;)
[19:24] <iheartubuntu> im looking into getting a new system. my desktop at home is 4 yrs old and my one here at work is 6 yrs old. both P4 and well adequate for most all tasks. i may look into a multi core laptop next
[19:25] <iheartubuntu> might even consider switching what I have to run off of flash drives so they are faster
[19:33] <nhaines> Flash drives have their own set of quirks.  :)  I'd say for a system drive they'd be great.  I might throw /var on another drive though.
[19:34] <iheartubuntu> yah i was thinking for the OS, then use my current drives for all info. then again, my drives are maxxed out already! like 3 TB filled and i need to do soemthing about it
[19:34] <nhaines> On an alpha 3ish form of maverick, I ran a benchmark.
[19:34] <nhaines> My WD Caviar Green drive booted in about 56 seconds or so.  Bootloader to desktop.
[19:35]  * iheartubuntu cleaned real house yesterday. computer "house" is a mess
[19:35] <nhaines> It's a 1TB advanced format drive.
[19:35] <nhaines> My 80GB WD Velociraptor drive booted in 26 seconds.
[19:35] <iheartubuntu> WOW
[19:35] <nhaines> But a WD Silicondrive booted in 12.5 seconds.
[19:36] <nhaines> And if I recall correctly, disk access basically stopped at 6.6 seconds and the CPU was pegged for the last 6 seconds of boot.
[19:36] <nhaines> Let's also pretend I didn't typo the name of the product my company makes, the WD SiliconEdge Blue drive.  :P
[19:39] <nhaines> Every time I want to put an SSD into my laptop I remember it's a PATA laptop and I curse under my breath.  :)
[19:44] <iheartubuntu> so can you get CA team members a WD discount? :)
[19:50] <jdeslip_> pleia2: Now that you have had the CR-48 for awhile, what are your opinions?
[19:51] <iheartubuntu> tomorrow is International Womens Day! in case I forget, happy intl womens day to all women here!! akk jledbetter pleia2 and others i do not know!
[20:11] <jdeslip_> I hate to say i
[20:12] <jdeslip_> it but I think Ubuntu is now too late to do anything in the tablet market... :/
[20:12] <jdeslip_> Android 3.0 is pretty slick
[20:16] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: actually, I think I can have a coupon sent to friends' email addresses.  I'm not going to give out the coupon code in channel though.  :)
[20:17] <nhaines> jdeslip_: I'm actually looking forward to an Ubuntu tablet over an Android tablet.
[20:17] <iheartubuntu> np
[20:17] <iheartubuntu> i would buy an ubuntu tablet
[20:17] <nhaines> jdeslip_: I'd *love* an Android tablet but I already have a slick Android phone... and I'd rather have a tablet for the same reason I'd use a netbook.
[20:17] <nhaines> So for that I want a "real" computer.
[20:18] <iheartubuntu> dave@iheartubuntu.com
[20:18] <nhaines> Duly noted, by SKYNET.
[20:19] <iheartubuntu> yikes
[20:19] <iheartubuntu> i would think ZaReason or Sys76 is frantically working on tablets
[20:20] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: Zareason is coming to market with an Android 3.0 tablet later this year.  I told them if they offer a solid Ubuntu tablet I will buy one--and they said they had a lot of requests for one at SCaLE, too.
[20:21] <nhaines> It seemed to catch them offguard... they thought Android was the tablet mojo.  :)
[20:21] <iheartubuntu> maybe i should look into it and fill the void :D
[20:21] <MarkDude> nhaines, they wont do it- unless they have the source open
[20:21] <MarkDude> so they are dealing with OEM now
[20:22] <MarkDude> unless the tablet is open source- they wont sell it
[20:22] <MarkDude> They are waiting on a big company- the tablet they have is great
[20:24] <nhaines> Since both Android and Ubuntu are open source projects, that makes absolutely no sense.
[20:31] <jdeslip_> nhaines: the problem is ubuntu is not ready for tablets - and doesn't look like it will be for at least a phew cycles
[20:32] <jdeslip_> step one would be a decent keyboard
[20:32] <jdeslip_> (on screen)
[20:32] <nhaines> jdeslip_: well, the previous stated target was 12.04 LTS.
[20:32] <iheartubuntu> didnt i see someone sitting in on ubucon running a tablet with ubuntu on it?
[20:32] <jdeslip_> That is way too late ... :/
[20:33] <nhaines> And I told Kathy as much too--that I was expecting Aprilish but if good hardware hit first I'd grab it.
[20:33] <nhaines> jdeslip_: Ubuntu isn't going to compete against iPad and Android tablets.  There's no comparision.
[20:33] <jdeslip_> iheartubuntu: you CAN do it. But, Ubuntu just isn't nice on tablets.
[20:33] <nhaines> jdeslip_: have you run Ubuntu on a tablet?  I'd be curious to hear what was not good (other than keyboard--*that* I can imagine, sigh).
[20:34] <jdeslip_> I had thinkpad tablet in our group
[20:34] <jdeslip_> (one with stylus)
[20:35] <jdeslip_> Basically the problem was that 99% of the software was harder to use in tablet mode than without.  Everything was a bit clunky, drag-n-drop cut and paste etc..
[20:36] <jdeslip_> The drawing tools were nice ;)
[20:37] <nhaines> ha!
[20:39] <jdeslip_> And, while Ubuntu is taking it's time, Android is getting more like a "complete computer" in every release
[20:39] <jdeslip_> There is almost nothing I can do on my laptop I can't do in Honeycomb.  With the exception of running eclipse ;)
[20:47] <jdeslip_> There is also the problem that no apps have been written with a touch-screen in mind. I.e. you can really play any existing game (comfortably) :/
[20:49] <jdeslip_> I like the idea of having the ordinary X.org stack on a tablet... but Ubuntu should have been pushing this as a priority 12 months ago :(
[20:56] <jdeslip_> Ah well.  Maybe someday there will be an Ubuntu tablet for me to buy and love :)
[21:59] <jamiedmattingly> is there a brand or line of computers specificly made for ubuntu instead of just old pcs and macs with ubuntu loaded on them?
[22:00] <pleia2> system76.com and zareason.com both sell just linux pcs
[22:00] <pleia2> (they don't even offer windows)
[22:01] <pleia2> jdeslip_: I really like the cr-48, but mostly it sits by my bed and I watch shows from video.pbs.org
[22:01] <jamiedmattingly> thanks pleia2
[22:39] <nhaines> I don't think Android offers a competitive tablet experience compared to Ubuntu or Windows 7.
[22:39] <nhaines> I think you end up with two different experiences with a full OS or a tablet OS.
[22:39] <nhaines> In my case, I just don't want a tablet OS.
[22:45] <jamiedmattingly> remember everyone if you havent heard yet--tonight is the first ever ubuntu hour in vallejo
[22:56] <iheartubuntu> way to go... are you hosting jamiedmattingly
[22:57] <jamiedmattingly> yes this is my first one
[22:57] <jamiedmattingly> ive only been to one other lol
[23:02] <jamiedmattingly> where are you from iheartubuntu?
[23:02] <iheartubuntu> pasadena area
[23:03] <jamiedmattingly> ok so im guessing you wont make it tonight lol
[23:06] <jamiedmattingly> eventually down the road some i want to find a bar with wifi ought to  make the ubuntu hour more fun with some beers instead of coffee :)
[23:38] <jdeslip_> ls
[23:38]  * jdeslip_ is having a really bad irc day ...
[23:41] <jtatum> hope your irc day improves, jdeslip_