[01:03] where can i get more of those meerkat stickers? i want to hand them out to students [01:04] my niece loved it [02:45] akk: what's an appropriate venue to argue the merits of LAX [e.g. for SCaLE]? :-) [02:46] eps: My blog. :) Seriously, I don't know -- mail to some SCALE organizer alias? [02:47] akk: It doesn't look to me like your blog accepts outside comments. [02:48] No, it doesn't. I wish I had comments, just not enough to figure out how to offer them. [02:50] Well, I guess that's a better answer than "/dev/null" or "port 9" ;-) [02:56] It's definitely not "I don't want to hear comments", just that I'm set up in a way that makes it difficult to have them. [03:43] finished up work on our team report for stuff I had details for, so if others have things to add please do :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/11/February [03:49] pleia2: Feburary? [03:49] DarkwingDuck -> Im going to be using Kubuntu this next week and blogging about it. [03:51] eps: yes, the report covers activities completed in february [03:53] pleia2: It says FebURary [03:53] yes, there are some typos, the URL is right though [03:53] Your pix look awesome, BTW. [03:54] * pleia2 is sick and typo-ridden [03:54] but at least the report is done! ;) [03:54] well, as done as I can make it [03:54] can anyone recommend a specific Ubuntu flyer I can pin up to note boards around campuses? There are a few in the spread ubuntu site, with pull tags. Neat idea, but the look of those flyers is a bit dated now. [03:55] iheartubuntu: the purple flier is up there somewhere [03:59] I'm starting to think about Release Parties. :-) [04:00] our release installfest at noisebridge last spring was a lot of fun [04:00] so long as we don't schedule it the same weekend as that parade in the mission :) [04:01] Uh-oh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/NattyRelease says "DO NOT install Lucid on production machines." [04:01] eps: it's a wiki, you can fix problems! [04:01] no "uh-oh" just fix it :) [04:02] Really? Did they fix the OpenID bug? [04:02] have you tried recently? [04:02] I'm surprised no one from the launchpad team has gotten back to you about it :( [04:04] TypeError / __init__() takes exactly 2 arguments (3 given) / If you want to report a bug, please save this page and attach it to your bug report. [04:04] what's your bug report number? [04:04] So that would be a "no." [04:04] you can probably bring it to #launchpad, it's been months [04:05] I don't remember. I'm not the only one who ran into this. I don't think they care. [04:05] so you've gone to #launchpad and talked to them? [04:05] It only seems to affect wiki.ubuntu.com; I can edit help.ubuntu.com just fine. [04:08] oh well, I updated the wiki page [04:08] Thanks. [04:09] just remember we're a team, instead of being passive aggressive about things with "Feburary?" and "uh-oh" you could just tells us there is a typo so we can fix it :) [04:10] makes it much easier so we don't need to guess what the problem is [04:11] More bad news: Accoutrements has discontinued the "Avenging Narwhal Play Set." http://www.mcphee.com/shop/products/Avenging-Narwhal-Play-Set.html [04:11] aww [04:12] I did find a stuffed animal narwhal [04:12] http://www.squishable.com/pc/squish_narwhal_15/Big_Animals/Big+Squishable+Narwhal [04:12] they were out of stock, but now they have some! [04:12] They do have http://www.mcphee.com/shop/products/Narwhal-Horns-Candy.html [04:13] And, of course, the terribly frightening http://www.mcphee.com/shop/products/Latex-Penguin-Mask.html [04:13] ah they have a mini one!! http://www.squishable.com/pc/mini_squish_narwhal_7/Squishable_Mini/Mini+Squishable+Narwhal [04:14] Love that penguin mask :) [04:33] pleia2: I have an idea for something fun to try at a Release Party ... something that will keep people engaged for a while and give them a nifty souvenir at the end: [04:33] yeah? [04:34] You may recognize this: http://axlotl.com/shapes/penguin.pdf [04:35] I think my hands would fall off just cutting out one of those :) [04:36] The most popular paper models take 30-60 minutes to construct. [04:41] That strikes me as a reasonable amount of time. And it would give the geeks' other halves something to do while the rest of us talk about computers. :-) [04:44] my other half would rather talk about computers [04:44] mine too, but not everyone's ;) [04:45] I could probably print off some color ones [04:45] Exactly. [04:46] Something like this is beyond most of us: http://www.gerdy.org/?p=42 [04:47] the penguin is probably beyond me, erichammond had to give us a cd sleeve folding session at scale :) [04:51] Here's a simple penguin (not Tux): http://www.adamdorman.com/news-detail.php?article=86&page=1 [04:59] See the notes at the bottom of http://www.chthulhu.com/handout.html for some important technical details. [06:34] Cubee Tux: http://www.cubeecraft.com/cubee/tux [15:31] good morning monday !!! :) === jledbetter_ is now known as jledbetter [17:04] does anyone have or know of a flyer for ubuntu hour that i may be able to edit or use as template for one in vallejo [17:21] pleia2, is there soe sort of flyer for ubuntu hour? [17:22] there might be some around, but I don't think I've seen one [17:22] can try searching spreadubuntu.com [17:22] lol [17:22] ? [17:22] There has never been a time that word was not funny [17:23] some of the material on the website can be a bit dated, but you might find some stuff new enough to be ubuntu hour-y [17:23] Try saying that word to the public at large- they find it amusing- even more so than the word loco [17:23] Great site- dont get me wrong [17:23] MarkDude: mind.out.of.gutter. [17:23] Just not a good word to use with the public [17:24] it's a marketing site [17:24] pleia2, aks some no-geeks what they think [17:24] I've never even thought of it as dirty [17:24] * MarkDude did not notise this [17:24] me neither until - the public pointed out how funny it was- besides- you said *dirty* I said funny [17:25] I guess we're thinking of some other reference then [17:26] the only one I can think of is dirty, not funny [17:26] Well - in other words - I used another word- YOU saw what a few non-geeks see [17:27] The public laughs at the loco thing- hence I stopped using that word [17:28] Just asked a barrista- he saw the word- and laughed REAL loud [17:29] GO ask a few folks- people that cant name at least 3 programming languages [17:29] * MarkDude is not trying to be rude here- just pointing out a liability folks may not see [17:29] Loudly laughed- upon seeing the word- try this folks [17:31] I was giving a link to the marketing site to our fellow team member, even if you find the site name funny I don't understand the "liability" here [17:32] I don't use "loco" either, or "ubuntero" [17:33] Well I have heard folks say the name of the site- as opposed to just mentioning the material [17:35] * MarkDude is an expert at dealing with the public- just trying to clue folks in on this sort of thing- it is very similar to trying to explain what Open Source means [17:35] really important and great stuff- but many of us geeks feel the need to use the exact name [17:35] as opposed to the ideas behind this [17:37] wow didnt mean to start a fight sorry guys [17:38] not a fight [17:40] fight? [17:40] * MarkDude issued a waring to folks that some think the phrase is silly- [17:41] folks can do whatever they want [17:41] * MarkDude and my opinions are just that :) [17:41] Lyz- shared hers- its ok jamiedmattingly [17:44] Might I recommend this piece of fine marketing for an ubuntu-hour: http://spreadubuntu.org/en/material/brochure/got-ubuntu-what-do-now [17:44] :) [17:45] You folks and your dirty minds- the most common reaction is that it sounds like sumthin' to put on toast [17:49] Personally I like the name. :/ There is also spreadfirefox - which is a well known site. [17:50] * MarkDude never said like/dislike- more that the general public view the word as silly [17:50] only had maybe 2 people think dirty- most start thinking of FOOD [17:51] People put too much stock into names; yet the best selling gadget of 2010 was named the same as female hygiene product ;) [17:51] like an easily spreadable margarine or sumthin [17:51] So, apparently names don't matter much :/ [17:51] yeah, the ubuntu site name is taken from the firefox idea [17:51] You forgot the part about it being sold by a cultish company ;) [17:52] jdeslip_: And before that, there was the Wii [17:52] akk: true [17:52] Names can help -- google got some boost from that, surely -- but I agree they're not as important as we tend to think. [17:53] Cool- and all of those phrases might be an issue- if I were attempting to share them with thte public at large [17:53] for us akk [17:53] the public- we can sound like reall asses forcing the use of Open Source [17:53] If names were critical, nobody would ever use gimp. :) [17:53] * MarkDude does not actually use that word [17:54] uses the full name for classes we teach [17:55] why would the general public *care about a developer style? More often they care about the connection it has to people [17:55] MarkDude: Yes, trying to force people to use opensource does make you look like an ass; but the spreadubuntu/spreadfirefox are just websites that give people info - I think they can tell the difference [17:55] MarkDude: I always wonder about it when I describe it to people who've never heard of it -- I have the same reflexes you do, avoid using stupid names in front of newbies -- but since I can't avoid saying "gimp", I've noticed it doesn't seem to have the reaction I would have expected. [17:55] Its not a good word - flat out [17:56] and exhibits a form of ableism [17:56] I don't think that's something ordinary people think about either. [17:57] * MarkDude is better than most at dealing with the public- not as much my opinion - as what others have said to me- if my opinions fall flat so be it [17:57] (I agree it's not a good name, but we're pretty much stuck with it) [17:57] Just trying to give people a pointer [17:57] lol - I don't think anyone cares about the name gimp; the most important feature in a name as far as "selling" your product to the public is that it is memorable. [17:57] I think the gimp satisfies that [17:57] Disabled people do jdeslip_ [17:58] \me doubts it [17:58] * MarkDude 's own ears have heard this [17:58] \me doubts that too [17:58] jdeslip_, I spent a good part of last year in a wheelchair [17:58] No need to be a dick since you disagree [17:59] or call me less than honest [17:59] maybe my friends are PC [17:59] thts ok [17:59] whee, i see this channel is "fun" again [17:59] * MarkDude does not think your experience is legit or not- it is your experience [17:59] and to think it all started when i asked for a flyer [17:59] I just meant I doubt that anyone told explicitly they were offended by the name "gimp" [17:59] * MarkDude does not walk in your shoes [18:00] And thats ok Jack [18:00] Perhaps it is something you infered [18:00] you dont believe I have heard such things- not trying to prove it here [18:00] jamiedmattingly: That'll teach you! :) [18:00] \me doubts it [18:00] yeah lol [18:00] whats up with oneiricOneiric Ocelot [18:00] Oneiric Ocelot [18:01] which flyer? [18:01] iheartubuntu: jamiedmattingly is looking for an ubuntu hour flier [18:01] We are having a talk here- truth is akk and others may doubt what I say- your wordss implied I was leess than honest or sumthin' [18:01] ahhh [18:01] great idea. [18:01] if you dont find any i plan to make some [18:01] great! [18:01] MarkDude: I never doubted what you say. I said ordinary/average people don't seem to be bothered by the name. [18:01] was just thinking about passing some out tonight [18:01] * jdeslip_ always slant wrong ;) [18:02] something easy for copying that can be pasted on boards all around campuses actually [18:02] We3ll I know [18:02] akk- I was using you as an example of fair dtalking/debate [18:02] MarkDude: Folks in wheelchairs aren't average any more than geeks are. [18:02] I know akk [18:02] * MarkDude 's opinions changed last year [18:03] Walking a mile in someones shoes mean a bit to me. [18:03] or living in a wheelchjair [18:03] * iheartubuntu forgot cellphone at home... feels NAKED!!! [18:03] not being able to go to events due to stairs- maybe you do see things differently [18:03] iheartubuntu: I hate when I do that :\ [18:04] these days it mostly makes me worry that I'll get lost (I fail at sense of direction and clutch tightly to google maps) [18:04] * iheartubuntu resorts to pen and paper. havent done that in a while [18:05] having a map in your pocket is more important than a phone for me [18:06] my printer used to be mostly used for printing maps [18:06] cha! [18:07] seidos or metta ... i found a great place near you to do an ubuntu hour [18:07] Peoples feelings in wheelchairs are just as legit in others. jdeslip_ one last question- is it the fact you have spoke to disabled people that has brought you to this opinion? Or did a few say it did not bug them- so it must be all? Most dont care- a few have said it offends them [18:07] (people dont get this if they are offline do they) [18:08] MarkDude: If you really meant that someone literally told you they were offended by the name GIMP (the literal interpretation of your words is all I "doubted") then I take my statement. But, I would add, that I don't think it is worth taking this person's opinion into consideration. If we did, we would never be able to choose any name... [18:09] * MarkDude conveyed what was *said* by person that uses wheels to get around [18:09] I know plenty of people disabled in various ways (who isn't?) and non of them go around thinking product names are personal references [18:10] True- do all folks that cant heaqr properly mind the word DUMB? of course not- a few DO tho [18:10] Just because you find one that is ok- does not mean it is ok/ or not [18:11] Gimp - A narrow flat braid or rounded cord of fabric used for trimming. [18:12] from Ubuntu Dictionary... Gimp - noun - A narrow ornamental fabric of silk, woolen, or cotton, often with a metallic wire, or sometimes a coarse cord, running through it; -- used as trimming for dresses, furniture, etc. [18:12] (this is getting gimpy) [18:14] http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gimp [18:14] * MarkDude 's limp is technically called a gimp walk [18:15] Wishing it be different- is ok- maybe not reality based- but it is still ok [18:16] AGAIN, an opinion differnet than mine is ok, I am pointing out that my view is not being given the same respect [18:16] * MarkDude respectfully disagrees on this- the key word for me is respectfully [18:17] Academia can use words as a crutch- and would rather explain why they are correct- as opposed to making room for others opinions [18:19] pleia2: no ETA on the Ubucon media... I didn't get ahold of it this weekend so it might not be until next weekend. :( [18:19] get well first [18:19] nhaines_: ok thanks, I was just putting together the team report for the month and wanted them to link if they were floating around somewhere :) [18:20] pleia2: Canonical is generously hosting the Ubucon videos, so there will be links from ubucon.org. === nhaines_ is now known as nhaines [18:20] nice [18:20] Hmm, I've also found that GIMP doesn't seem to meet an adverse reaction in almost all cases. [18:21] I used to expand the acronym and gloss it as "GIMP for short", but I don't even bother with that anymore. [18:21] i actually never thought about gimp in that way [18:22] iheartubuntu: it was something I gave a lot of thought to early on but as with most things, it really is attitude and confidence that drive impressions. [18:22] nhaines, ty for saying that- I respect waht you say :) [18:22] might be because i use gimp a lot and i associate it with images, not in any other way. i guess it depends on what angle or side of the m diamond you view things from. [18:23] Even better to call it the FREE photoshop equivalent [18:23] iheartubuntu: whenver I get giggles I smile and say, "Yeah, it's a silly name, but it's really powerful software" and redirect focus that way. [18:23] iheartubuntu, or if you have a really diverse group of friends [18:24] Most folks dont have to deal twith transgendered or non-identified people [18:24] MarkDude: but it's not, photoshop is a very different program that works differently and saying that it's the same only sets people up for disappointment and frustration (especially power photoshop users) [18:24] pleia2, so our equivalent would be? [18:25] Since it's not a Photoshop equivalent and works very differently, and since a huge main point of my UpScale talk was "don't talk about Free Software being free as in beer," I disagree that that's better. :) [18:25] I don't think we have an equivalent for Photoshop, although GIMP is certainly analogous. [18:26] it all depends on the person and if they view life as half full or half empty. a half full handicapped person my embrace GIMP for the name and a half empty person might view GIMP as a derogatory name. technically i had a gimpy leg for many years after being involved in a car accident. surgeries, wheelchairs & learning to walk again, etc. i should be the one concerned right? [18:27] Well tofu bugers are along the same lines as real burgers [18:27] No one can be made to feel inferior without them selves [18:27] Of course you should not feel bad if you do not [18:28] That would be like telling my friends that were at that Linux fund party a few years ago- that THEY shpould feel like a victim- just since others do [18:29] Anyway- consider me schooled [18:30] BTw, I use the term DAGo- and never get a bad reaction from it- as well as WOP, and guinea. see how well that works for you if you are not Italian. Just because a few may pet it fly- DOES not mean its ok for you to use ;) [18:30] * MarkDude 's last name is Terranova [18:30] stranza! [18:31] sorry, its my new word i learned in italy last year :) [18:31] lots of stranza's there! [18:31] iheartubuntu, to answer your question- of course not- Anyone telling folks HOW they should FEEL about words- misses the point IMHO [18:33] What's a stranza? [18:34] a street [18:36] akk: I was just saying that I was pretty surprised how the name GIMP has always been a non-issue when speaking to others. [18:36] iheartubuntu: I really like your website. The design is beautiful. [18:36] akk: I tend to think it's more about confidence and attitude these days. [18:37] I have a question. Do you manually create all the header images (I wondered this about omg!ubuntu as well) or there somesort of wordpress plugin to make those [18:37] * iheartubuntu changes his cats name to "Mr. Oneiric" [18:37] nhaines: Probably so -- if you just say it matter-of-factly it doesn't seem to be a problem. [18:38] thanks jdeslip_ !! it will continue to go through some changes [18:38] i manually made them [18:39] stranza mean "@ss"... its slang from what i gathered. everyone called everyone that when i was there. [18:40] iheartubuntu: doesn't that become tedious making a fancy image for every post? [18:40] im only going to make it for flagship articles [18:41] will change them like once a week [18:41] Ah, that makes sense [18:42] we'll see how it goes for now. if i do better, i will have to keep up the pace with more images :) [18:42] By the way, I have found that submitting your articles to Linux Today, LXER etc... is a really good way to generate traffic [18:42] "@ss" ? [18:42] A ss [18:42] ah [18:42] did i submit them to linux today? [18:42] The entries on berkeleylug.com that have made it onto Linux Today / LXER have over 100 times the traffic of other articles [18:43] how do i go about submitting them? [18:43] iheartubuntu: No, it was a suggestion. If you go to linuxtoday.com there is an option to "contribute" [18:44] They have accepted about 1/2 of the articles I have tried [18:44] To build of a reputation, I'd submit just articles that you think are your best [18:44] (and are timely) [18:45] from this page? http://www.linuxtoday.com/contribute.php3 [18:45] Ya, and make sure the first line of text is: "Original article: URL" [18:45] Then clicks will be directed to your page [18:48] i'll give it a try right now [18:49] Sweet. Good luck. Don't forget to try lxer too. And if you really want to hit them all: Digg's Linux category and Reddit's subcategories are great places too [18:49] do i also include the article text or just "Original article: URL" [18:49] I include the article text too [18:50] It seems like the usually post the first paragraph or so and then link to the original [18:51] It is amazing to me how successful omg!ubuntu is now. They are like the defacto news/opinion/announcement source for Ubuntu now. [18:51] nhaines, my experience has been 98% non-issue with the word GIMP- normally I would ignore that 2% - but, they are in a wheelchair- and I will make an exception. 2 years ago for CLS someone objected - to the term FAMILY- since they had negative experiences there [18:52] iheartubuntu: your design could definitely compete with them. And two is always better than one :) [18:52] actually thats my goal ;) [18:52] * MarkDude opinion was forget them- I am aware my attention to this seems similar to pandering- and THAT would be the best reason to object ;) [18:52] not really to compete but to offer an alternative [18:53] Sounds good. Will take some time to build up to that level. [18:53] for sure [18:54] do people use digg or reddit anymore? [18:54] Reddit is definitely still used a lot [18:54] those were so 2008 i thought [18:54] Digg is slowly dying away I think... [18:54] They made some bad changes last year [18:55] Instead of "ignoring" that supposed 2%, I recommend "managing". [18:55] But, I think you can still generate a lot of links from them still. Lot's of people subsribe to the "Linux new" feed [18:56] nhaines, - as near as I can tell we BOTH wear equality on our sleeve- we are not really at risk of much- folks give us a chance (usually) to clarify [18:57] the fact I fight for equality- counts for sumthin' with a few ;) [18:58] Manage is a good word for this situation- ty [18:59] jdeslip_ 0 i posted two articles.. interesting to see what hits i get now [18:59] Okay, I have a meeting to chair. bbl. [18:59] iheartubuntu: I'll keep a look out to see if they show up on LT [19:00] thanks [19:02] what kind of articles do you write iheartubuntu? [19:02] * iheartubuntu Just a quick reminder: I will be placing that order to the Ubuntu Store next tuesday (just over a week away) [19:02] ubuntu articles [19:03] where are they? [19:03] not to spam i sent u a personal IM [19:03] thank you [19:03] but add .com after my name :) [19:04] you wrote all content on there? [19:05] yesser [19:07] * remind me not to run virtualbox on a single core computer anymore. ugggh. my whole system is dogging right now [19:08] iheartubuntu: ha, it's usually okay once the guest OS finishes thrashing. [19:09] i have kubuntu on it and doing like 600 updates :( and now installing them [19:09] i dont notice anything on my home setup with dual core [19:13] iheartubuntu: I went to quadcore from ancient single-core because the same thing happened to me in Ubuntu except when I ran updates on my own machine. ;) [19:24] im looking into getting a new system. my desktop at home is 4 yrs old and my one here at work is 6 yrs old. both P4 and well adequate for most all tasks. i may look into a multi core laptop next [19:25] might even consider switching what I have to run off of flash drives so they are faster === aaditya_ is now known as aaditya [19:33] Flash drives have their own set of quirks. :) I'd say for a system drive they'd be great. I might throw /var on another drive though. [19:34] yah i was thinking for the OS, then use my current drives for all info. then again, my drives are maxxed out already! like 3 TB filled and i need to do soemthing about it [19:34] On an alpha 3ish form of maverick, I ran a benchmark. [19:34] My WD Caviar Green drive booted in about 56 seconds or so. Bootloader to desktop. [19:35] * iheartubuntu cleaned real house yesterday. computer "house" is a mess [19:35] It's a 1TB advanced format drive. [19:35] My 80GB WD Velociraptor drive booted in 26 seconds. [19:35] WOW [19:35] But a WD Silicondrive booted in 12.5 seconds. [19:36] And if I recall correctly, disk access basically stopped at 6.6 seconds and the CPU was pegged for the last 6 seconds of boot. [19:36] Let's also pretend I didn't typo the name of the product my company makes, the WD SiliconEdge Blue drive. :P [19:39] Every time I want to put an SSD into my laptop I remember it's a PATA laptop and I curse under my breath. :) [19:44] so can you get CA team members a WD discount? :) [19:50] pleia2: Now that you have had the CR-48 for awhile, what are your opinions? [19:51] tomorrow is International Womens Day! in case I forget, happy intl womens day to all women here!! akk jledbetter pleia2 and others i do not know! [20:11] I hate to say i [20:12] it but I think Ubuntu is now too late to do anything in the tablet market... :/ [20:12] Android 3.0 is pretty slick [20:16] iheartubuntu: actually, I think I can have a coupon sent to friends' email addresses. I'm not going to give out the coupon code in channel though. :) [20:17] jdeslip_: I'm actually looking forward to an Ubuntu tablet over an Android tablet. [20:17] np [20:17] i would buy an ubuntu tablet [20:17] jdeslip_: I'd *love* an Android tablet but I already have a slick Android phone... and I'd rather have a tablet for the same reason I'd use a netbook. [20:17] So for that I want a "real" computer. [20:18] dave@iheartubuntu.com [20:18] Duly noted, by SKYNET. [20:19] yikes [20:19] i would think ZaReason or Sys76 is frantically working on tablets [20:20] iheartubuntu: Zareason is coming to market with an Android 3.0 tablet later this year. I told them if they offer a solid Ubuntu tablet I will buy one--and they said they had a lot of requests for one at SCaLE, too. [20:21] It seemed to catch them offguard... they thought Android was the tablet mojo. :) [20:21] maybe i should look into it and fill the void :D [20:21] nhaines, they wont do it- unless they have the source open [20:21] so they are dealing with OEM now [20:22] unless the tablet is open source- they wont sell it [20:22] They are waiting on a big company- the tablet they have is great [20:24] Since both Android and Ubuntu are open source projects, that makes absolutely no sense. [20:31] nhaines: the problem is ubuntu is not ready for tablets - and doesn't look like it will be for at least a phew cycles [20:32] step one would be a decent keyboard [20:32] (on screen) [20:32] jdeslip_: well, the previous stated target was 12.04 LTS. [20:32] didnt i see someone sitting in on ubucon running a tablet with ubuntu on it? [20:32] That is way too late ... :/ [20:33] And I told Kathy as much too--that I was expecting Aprilish but if good hardware hit first I'd grab it. [20:33] jdeslip_: Ubuntu isn't going to compete against iPad and Android tablets. There's no comparision. [20:33] iheartubuntu: you CAN do it. But, Ubuntu just isn't nice on tablets. [20:33] jdeslip_: have you run Ubuntu on a tablet? I'd be curious to hear what was not good (other than keyboard--*that* I can imagine, sigh). [20:34] I had thinkpad tablet in our group [20:34] (one with stylus) [20:35] Basically the problem was that 99% of the software was harder to use in tablet mode than without. Everything was a bit clunky, drag-n-drop cut and paste etc.. [20:36] The drawing tools were nice ;) [20:37] ha! [20:39] And, while Ubuntu is taking it's time, Android is getting more like a "complete computer" in every release [20:39] There is almost nothing I can do on my laptop I can't do in Honeycomb. With the exception of running eclipse ;) [20:47] There is also the problem that no apps have been written with a touch-screen in mind. I.e. you can really play any existing game (comfortably) :/ [20:49] I like the idea of having the ordinary X.org stack on a tablet... but Ubuntu should have been pushing this as a priority 12 months ago :( [20:56] Ah well. Maybe someday there will be an Ubuntu tablet for me to buy and love :) [21:59] is there a brand or line of computers specificly made for ubuntu instead of just old pcs and macs with ubuntu loaded on them? [22:00] system76.com and zareason.com both sell just linux pcs [22:00] (they don't even offer windows) [22:01] jdeslip_: I really like the cr-48, but mostly it sits by my bed and I watch shows from video.pbs.org [22:01] thanks pleia2 [22:39] I don't think Android offers a competitive tablet experience compared to Ubuntu or Windows 7. [22:39] I think you end up with two different experiences with a full OS or a tablet OS. [22:39] In my case, I just don't want a tablet OS. [22:45] remember everyone if you havent heard yet--tonight is the first ever ubuntu hour in vallejo [22:56] way to go... are you hosting jamiedmattingly [22:57] yes this is my first one [22:57] ive only been to one other lol [23:02] where are you from iheartubuntu? [23:02] pasadena area [23:03] ok so im guessing you wont make it tonight lol [23:06] eventually down the road some i want to find a bar with wifi ought to make the ubuntu hour more fun with some beers instead of coffee :) [23:38] ls [23:38] * jdeslip_ is having a really bad irc day ... [23:41] hope your irc day improves, jdeslip_