[00:05] <karni> beuno: Thanks for the logs, I'll be improving sync shortly.
[00:11] <Elktro> Never mind. Got it. My connection status was "With User Not Network". I had NetworkManager running but my internet connection interface was umanaged by it (Manually defined at /etc/network/interfaces). Apparently U1 checks the connection via nm if it is running. Stopping the NetworkManager helped.
[00:12] <karni> Elktro: great :)
[00:14] <Elktro> But is this a bug? Should I fill a report?
[00:14] <beuno> karni, awesome, just throwing them at you as I go  :)
[00:15] <karni> beuno: yes, please do. and thank you for that :)
[00:15] <karni> beuno: I shall deliver apk tomorrow/tuesday
[00:16] <kklimonda1> is notes syncing broken?
[00:16] <karni> Elktro: I think that indeed U1 depends on NM. And I think it's a bug, please do file a bug against ubuntu-client
[00:17] <beuno> karni, awesome
[00:17] <kklimonda1> http://pastebin.com/89Z0XjMk bah
[01:42] <facundobatista> Elktro, actually... is not a bug... it's a design decision: if NM is present, we trust it; if NM is not present, we assume we're always connected
[01:42] <facundobatista> Elktro, so, if you have NM but it can not be trusted, Ubuntu One client will be fooled by it
[01:43] <facundobatista> Elktro, OTOH, you could be opening a bug like "I want a configuration item that will make ubuntuone client think its connected, no matter what"... but I don't know which decision will be taken around that
[03:34] <dobey> there is one
[03:35] <dobey> Elktro: if you don't want to use networkmanager, you should uninstall it.
[09:04] <larsemil> is there any way to export all my contacts from ubuntu one?
[09:13] <rye> larsemil, since all your contacts are stored in couchdb and you can replicate the contacts between your local desktopcouch and remote database, yes, but i am not aware of the converters so far
[09:31] <larsemil> rye: well it hangs evolution everytime i try to copy contacts to local phonebook
[09:49] <JamesTait> Good morning, all!
[09:51] <larsemil> i am so dissapointed i choose ubuntu one, now i have 200 contact that i cant copy or do anything with. if i make a .vcf out of my contacts, phone number, email etc is still not included when i insert to other programs...
[09:52] <larsemil> had hoped it would have som sort of standard. but vcf cards are full of couchdb data.
[09:58] <rye> larsemil, i am now working on an undelete script for couchdb and based on what I have in my repository i'll be able to output vcfs pretty easily out of the couchdb.one.ubuntu.com/desktopcouch database
[10:01] <rye> larsemil, re: vcf cards are full of couchdb data - what do you mean?
[10:05] <larsemil> rye: http://pastebin.com/VJarU6mW
[10:06] <larsemil> rye: pastebin.com looked borked, here is another url: http://paste.ubuntu.com/576897/
[10:06] <rye> larsemil, X-something headers, such as X-COUCHDB-APPLICATION-ANNOTATIONS are not read by anything but the application that created them so they should be compatible
[10:07] <larsemil> rye: okay. still no phone numbers or emailadresses show up when imported to other program
[10:07] <larsemil> rye: TEL;X-COUCHDB-UUID="72ac4164-fa93-43e7-b0a0-30ed4e758381";TYPE=CELL:+467306 25741
[10:07] <rye> larsemil, aha, ok, let me finish with undelete script and i will look at how that breaks other apps
[10:08] <rye> aquarius, hi, dc_trash exists only on the client for now, is that correct?
[10:10] <rye> CardinalFang, ping
[10:12] <aquarius> rye, I don't know
[10:14] <rye> aquarius, for some reason the notes I removed online are not marked as deleted, but are moved to dc_trash and beuno_ said cloud server still marks records as deleted, not does the move to dc_trash :-/
[10:15] <rye> it looks like the whole move magic happens upon desktopcouch replication \
[10:25] <rye> hm, however now it looks like dc_trash went live on the cloud server
[10:39] <mandel> rye: dc_trash was added during the desktopcouch sprint, the idea is that we do remove the recprds and add then to the trash since the deleted flag was something added for funambol
[10:39] <mandel> rye: funambol uses the changes api from couchdb instead of that horrible deleted flag
[10:39] <mandel> aquarius: FYI ^
[11:20] <rye> mandel, well, yes, so now when something gets removed online && replication is working then this document gets moved to dc_trash locally, changes are replicated online and documents get deleted from couchdb.one.ubuntu.com/../$dbname and move to couchdb.one.ubuntu.com/.../dc_trash
[11:21] <mandel> rye: yes, that is the theory, the dc-trash is replicated
[11:23] <larsemil> rye: i solved it by parsing the couchdb version and printing a new one
[12:16] <SpamapS> So.. I'm on the latest natty packages now. Is it always going to pop up messages every 5-10 minutes? This is unbelievably annoying.
[12:28] <Chipaca> SpamapS: no, it won't
[12:28] <Chipaca> SpamapS: there's going to be a thingie on the unity launcher that'll report status and progress
[12:28] <Chipaca> ralsina: right?
[12:33] <SpamapS> But..
[12:33] <SpamapS> will that make my launcher pop up as often?
[12:34] <evilduanedesign> morning all
[12:41] <Chipaca> evilduanedesign: since when are you evil?
[12:42] <Chipaca> evilduanedesign: is our evil leaking?
[12:42] <evilduanedesign> :D
[12:43] <evilduanedesign> Chipaca: i am on an 'alternate' computer. Just a designation to note that I am not on my other computer or phone. I have no idea who started that naming convention.
[12:44] <evilduanedesign> 0:-)
[12:44] <Chipaca> evilduanedesign: phew. We work really hard at making the best evil in the world, and if it was inadvertently leaking we need to fix it asap
[12:44] <evilduanedesign> lol
[12:44] <CardinalFang> rye, hi
[12:53] <rye> CardinalFang, hi, is documents are moved to dc_trash when desktopcouch replicates records from the server that contain deleted flag?
[12:54] <rye> is it only me or scrolling in gwibber is a bit jumpy?
[12:55] <CardinalFang> rye, the new client library will move them occasionally, as sort of a clean-up measure, if there's another client not moving them.
[12:56] <rye> CardinalFang, okay, so e.g. if /notes/ or /contacts/ mark records as deleted, records are replicated to my local dc which is new enough for dc_trash then deleted records from the server will be moved to dc_trash (i don't have other local dc clients running atm)
[12:56] <rye> CardinalFang, basically i want to know whether it is happening during replication
[12:59] <CardinalFang> rye, replication doesn't cause it.  New library moves there instead of setting a flag.  New library will try to migrate all it sees when it's started.
[12:59] <rye> CardinalFang, aha, ok, that explains everything
[13:20] <ralsina> good morning everyone
[14:03] <thisfred> me
[14:03] <thisfred> dobey, mandel? :)
[14:03] <mandel> me
[14:03] <mandel> what a crazy group!
[14:03] <mandel> ;)
[14:04] <thisfred> yeah, holidays in Argentina should be outlawed, as it sort of hamstrings our team ;)
[14:04] <thisfred> Or we could force people to not live in the same country
[14:04] <dobey> meh
[14:04] <thisfred> I'd be willing to take Hawaii for a while
[14:05] <mandel> ditto
[14:05] <thisfred> * DONE:
[14:05] <thisfred> ** DONE review https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/support-everywhere/+merge/52202
[14:05] <thisfred> ** DONE review https://code.launchpad.net/~jamestait/ubuntuone-servers/facebook-contacts-sync-7/+merge/46363
[14:05] <thisfred> ** DONE review https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesh/bindwood/migration/+merge/52193
[14:05] <thisfred> ** DONE review https://code.launchpad.net/~cmiller/ubuntu/lucid/desktopcouch/lp726597/+merge/52249
[14:05] <thisfred> ** DONE review https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/services-redesign/+merge/52258
[14:05] <thisfred> ** INPROGRESS bug #728722 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-control-panel/dbusify
[14:05] <mandel> argentina is not bad, but for english speaekers..
[14:05] <thisfred> * TODO:
[14:05] <thisfred> ** NEEDSREVIEW bug #702176 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-control-panel/attention-seeking/+merge/52131
[14:05] <thisfred> ** NEEDSREVIEW bug #702183 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-control-panel/attention-seeking/+merge/52131
[14:05] <thisfred> ** NEEDSREVIEW bug #723227 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/use-single-notification/+merge/52147
[14:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 728722 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu Natty) (and 5 other projects) "control panel should have a .service file so it can be opened through dbus (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/728722
[14:05] <thisfred> ** INPROGRESS bug #702172 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/quota-notifications
[14:05] <thisfred> ** INPROGRESS bug #728722 https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-control-panel/dbusify
[14:05] <thisfred> ** TODO bug #729055
[14:05] <dobey> i wouldn't mind staying at theworld.ae for a while :)
[14:05] <thisfred> ** TODO bug #702007
[14:05] <thisfred> * BLOCKED: No
[14:05] <thisfred> NEXT: mandel
[14:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 702176 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "Syncdaemon needs to open the control-panel to volumes when a folder shared to the user exceeds the owning user's quota (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702176
[14:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 702183 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "Syncdaemon needs to open the control panel in the background and change the launcher icon to urgent when the user exceeds their quota (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702183
[14:05] <mandel> DONE: Recovered machine from crash, (something scrwed up the loading of the kernel).More work on sso UI for windows.
[14:05] <mandel> TODO: Fix named pipe branch. POC for installer. Lunch
[14:05] <mandel> BLOCKED: no
[14:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 723227 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "SD creates new notifications instead of updating one (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723227
[14:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 702172 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "Syncdaemon needs to send a notification when a folder shared to the user exceeds the owning user's quota (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702172
[14:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 729055 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "File names should be shown on notifications (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/729055
[14:05] <mandel> dobey please
[14:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 702007 in desktopcouch (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "get_all_records does not return records with their attachments (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702007
[14:06] <dobey> λ DONE: new maverick-proposed upload
[14:06] <dobey> λ TODO: bug #727558, mp3 install in banshee
[14:06] <dobey> λ BLCK: None.
[14:06] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 727558 in libubuntuone (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "Need to notify user when Purchased Music folder is not subscribed (affects: 2) (dups: 1) (heat: 14)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/727558
[14:06] <thisfred> dobey: that all washed away though right? It was sort of a scam to begin with
[14:06] <dobey> i don't think so
[14:06] <dobey> but the economy probably killed it midway through
[14:06] <thisfred> I think the Dutch company who moved the sand never got paid
[14:07] <dobey> so it's probably only half done
[14:07] <dobey> there's a difference between scandal and scam :)
[14:08] <thisfred> sure
[14:08] <dobey> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Dubai+-+United+Arab+Emirates&aq=0&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=55.279921,37.089844&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Dubai+-+United+Arab+Emirates&ll=25.195932,55.166473&spn=0.249769,0.144882&t=h&z=12
[14:08] <dobey> see, it's there :)
[14:09] <dobey> so not a scam. but alas, it is a bit incomplete in that satellite pic
[14:09] <thisfred> http://www.newzglobe.com/article/20110120/nakheel-world-sinks
[14:09] <mandel> yeah, the states don't look quite in place
[14:10] <ralsina> theworld is actually washing away, and is currently about 40% destroyed already
[14:11] <thisfred> in short, dobey, you're welcome to it, I'll take my chances with the volcanoes on Hawaii
[14:11] <thisfred> ;)
[14:11] <dobey> well, there's always the palms
[14:15] <rye> evilduanedesign, hi, do you remember you told me about search in unity dash? I that was not you?
[14:17] <thisfred> ralsina: while you're online: I'm looking at where to stay in B.A., are there any neighbourhoods you'd recommend? (We'll take interesting/lively over luxury ;)
[14:17] <thisfred> we have a Rough Guide just for the city, that lists everything by neighborhood
[14:18] <thisfred> This is for the post-spring vacation ;)
[14:18] <thisfred> sprint, not spring
[14:19] <ralsina> thisfred: there's lively and there is dedly
[14:19] <ralsina> s/dedly/deadly/
[14:19] <ralsina> So, for lively, I'd say find something in Palermo or Recoleta
[14:20] <ralsina> You could go to San Telmo but it's a tourist trap and if you go the wrong way 5 blocks it gets dangerous
[14:22] <thisfred> ralsina: thx. We get enough of that at home: http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/crime_checker/baltimore_city_crime/baltimore's-most-dangerous-neighborhoods
[14:22] <ralsina> Well, I was a big fan of "Homicide"  :-)
[14:22] <thisfred> looking into palermo & recoleta
[14:23] <ralsina> If you want bars and restaurants, look close to "Plaza Serrano"
[14:23] <thisfred> ralsina: then you should also watch the Wire, if you haven't. It starts slow but season 2 and 3 are really good
[14:23] <thisfred> and it's all filmed near where we live :)
[14:24] <ralsina> The only crime movie that makes Buenos Aires justice is "Nine Queens". If you don't mind subtitles watch it. I have been pretty much in every place that's in the movie :-)
[14:25] <thisfred> ralsina: thx, I don't mind subtitles at all, I'll look it up
[14:25] <ralsina> It got a US remake that sucks rocks through a garden hose
[14:26] <thisfred> will avoid that then ;)
[14:28] <evilduanedesign> rye: it was
[14:29] <evilduanedesign> rye: guess i should be less vague :) It was me you were talking to about the dash search
[14:29] <rye> evilduanedesign, do you have the search working now ?
[14:40] <evilduanedesign> rye: no :(
[14:52] <thisfred> dobey, mandel, could use 1 more review on both https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-control-panel/attention-seeking/+merge/52131 and https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/use-single-notification/+merge/52147
[14:53] <rye> evilduanedesign, install unity-place-applications and unity-place-files
[14:57] <evilduanedesign> rye: cool, i will
[14:57] <mandel> thisfred: puf, having pyinotify and pynotify in the same project is a PITA… I was wondering what the hell where you doing with the fs :P
[14:58] <rye> evilduanedesign, after that the search will work properly!
[14:58] <evilduanedesign> i am testing a C app from the command line. It loops till EOF. Not sure how I can trigger EOF from terminal to trigger result
[14:58] <evilduanedesign> rye: great!
[14:58] <rye> evilduanedesign, Ctrl+D ?
[14:58] <thisfred> mandel: I have often wondered the reverse when coming across your stuff :)
[14:59] <mandel> thisfred: besides reading the code an running the tests, is there anything else I  shall do?
[15:00] <thisfred> mandel, you can try sending 100 msgs in a loop and verify that does not error, but I've done that, so if you trust me, no ;)
[15:27] <evilduanedesign> thanks rye ctrl + d worked.
[16:08] <joshuahoover> thisfred, aquarius: not sure if you saw, but bug #729117 was approved (ubuntuone-couch to universe)...i don't think we have to do anything else at this point according to the freeze process but i'll double check :)
[16:08] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 729117 in ubuntu "[FFE] Add ubuntuone-couch to universe (affects: 2) (heat: 14)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/729117
[16:09] <thisfred> joshuahoover: awesome, so I can just open a bug for universe inclusion and link to the exception then, I guess?
[16:09] <joshuahoover> thisfred: i guess...though that's pretty much what the ffe was for (i thought)
[16:09] <joshuahoover> thisfred: i'll find out for sure in just a bit here
[16:09] <thisfred> ok, thx
[16:31] <karni> hi guys
[16:31] <karni> beuno_: I have a question, you around?
[16:32] <karni> aquarius: beuno_: what speed limits should U1F for Android have when the user is on wifi? there's no simple way to check the connection load, so we can decide on that from the connection type. i.e. when on wifi, use no more than 60%
[16:33] <karni> aquarius: beuno_: when on GPRS (heh), use 30%. when on 3G use 70% etc. so that we don't clog the phone, and the browser etc is still usable.
[16:39] <aquarius> karni, how do other background apps decide this? There must be prior art
[16:40] <joshuahoover> dobey: ping
[16:40] <mandel> ralsina, ping
[16:40] <dobey> joshuahoover: hi
[16:40] <joshuahoover> dobey: is there anything we need to do to get your latest maverick proposed package out there?
[16:41] <karni> aquarius: any idea who syncs files in background? Dropbox certainly doesn't ;) But seriously - even music streaming takes little bandwitdth.
[16:41] <karni> aquarius: I'll look around.
[16:42] <aquarius> karni, I didn't necessarily mean file syncing, I was thinking of just stuff that does long-running net access. Say, for example, the youtube video uploader when you publish a video to youtube -- does it eat all bandwidth? Some only?
[16:42] <dobey> joshuahoover: just wait. i pinged pitti already, and he said he would get around to approving it today
[16:43] <joshuahoover> dobey: cool, thanks...just didn't want to assume there was nothing else to do and then find out otherwise :)
[16:43] <karni> aquarius: yeah sure, I'll try to research
[16:46] <dobey> lunch time, bbiab
[16:50]  * CardinalFang gets Lunch.
[17:27] <kklimonda> hey, any idea why can't I connect to U1? I get http://pastebin.com/R4ridWdU
[17:38] <karni> aquarius: I'm failing miserably to find such info. And youtube related serches return either google/verison imposed _size_ limits, or _time_ limits for youtube videos
[17:38] <karni> CardinalFang: are there any download speed limits in the subsonic app for cached files?
[17:39] <karni> CardinalFang: i.e. you can cache 30 megs, so if you're listetning to the first song, is there any bandwith limit imposed on the download speed for the rest of the files?
[18:01] <karni> verterok: have you seen teh codez I've e-mailed you :)?
[18:31] <CardinalFang> karni, there are limits on amount cached, and it tries to keep the next N songs ready to play.
[18:31] <karni> CardinalFang: does it control the speed with which it downloads? I can't remember just that.
[18:32] <CardinalFang> karni, no, it doesn't.  It's wide open.
[18:32] <CardinalFang> karni, I think if It can get the song faster than it's playing it in some places, it's doing really good.  Throttling more may be bad.
[18:33] <karni> CardinalFang: thanks. do you have any suggestions on how should U1F act? I was thinking 1) in auto case: 60% of current connection 2) or give the user choice in preferences screen
[18:34] <karni> CardinalFang: currently we have simple throttling implemented (as in speed limits, because you can't simply know the link utilization on android)
[18:34] <karni> CardinalFang: the best answer I got on #android-dev was " I'd just have a preferences activity"  :/
[18:35] <CardinalFang> (I don't think you can know the total link capacity at all, except as TCP window flow control.)
[18:35] <karni> well I have one. the question is, how should the auto-setting work.
[18:36] <karni> CardinalFang: Right, I'm only basing estimates on the available connection type (wifi link speed, or mobile type gprs/umts/hsdpa)
[18:36] <karni> so I can't do "oh.. he's using some other Internet app [browser?], so I'll throttle down"
[18:37] <karni> what I can do is "I won't use higher upload rate than X and higher download rate than Y"
[18:38] <dobey> man, i wish we could just do "Use X% of available bandwidth." on Linux
[18:38] <karni> I guess I shouldn't worry about it on that stage. Once we get the app solid, we'll start worrying 'what if a user want's to sync tens of megs on connection type FOO'
[18:38] <dobey> all these XKbps up/down entries everywhere is disturbing
[18:41] <karni> dobey: that's why I intent to use "70% of HSDPA" instead of "xyz kbps" or something similar
[18:42] <karni> crap. I wasted 2 hours researching and not only theres no/little info on that on the Internet, but guys at #android-dev were similarly clueless.
[18:43] <dobey> heh
[18:45] <karni> it's sufficient for the user to know "Ok, so Ubuntu One Files won't be using all my bandwidth and I can still surf if I need."
[19:48] <dobey> thisfred: you can't use XXX/FIXME comments in u1cp. also you spelled focus wrong
[19:48] <thisfred> oh, right you are
[19:48] <thisfred> it's focus the next generation?
[19:49] <thisfred> fixing
[19:50] <dobey> sounds like the basque version of a ford
[19:50] <dobey> foxus
[19:50] <dobey> thisfred: but u1cp is not using u1lint, it's calling pylint
[19:51] <thisfred> kk
[19:52] <thisfred> tried again
[21:13] <thisfred> twisted and testing BFF
[21:13] <thisfred> not
[21:59] <dobey> later all
[22:27] <thisfred> https://code.launchpad.net/~thisfred/ubuntuone-client/filenames-in-notifications/+merge/52483 up for review, and I'm off to walk la dog