[00:29] <Daekdroom> chrisccoulson, hey, that issue with appmenu and apps that can have their windows closed (thanks to indicators) has extended to minimized apps :(
[00:30] <chrisccoulson> ??
[00:30] <Daekdroom> bug #718926
[00:30] <Daekdroom> It's happening to minimized applications too
[00:31] <chrisccoulson> due to the nature of that bug, that's impossible. it must be a different bug
[00:31] <chrisccoulson> (and i'm not seeing it at all)
[00:31] <Daekdroom> Have you done today's updates?
[00:31] <Daekdroom> It started happening before 3.6.2, I think
[00:32] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, yeah, i've just tried that after restarting my session
[00:45] <Daekdroom> How do I reset the unity launcher to its default launchers?
[07:37] <didrocks> good morning
[08:01] <oSoMoN> good morning
[08:05] <MacSlow> hey everybody
[08:14] <zniavre> good morning
[08:15] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/QEECE.png this is "normal" ? (unity-2D panel)
[08:47] <didrocks> kamstrup: ZOMG, I have some time to work on alt F2 now! :)
[08:47] <kamstrup> didrocks: teh zhock!
[08:48] <kamstrup> didrocks: if you already branched off lp:unity-place-applications you'd better re-pull it because there where quite a lot of refactoring going on in the latest release
[08:49] <kamstrup> didrocks: and did you notice how fast app searching is with latest unity+u-p-a? :-D
[08:50] <didrocks> kamstrup: yeah, I rebased already :)
[08:50] <didrocks> kamstrup: and right! it litteraly rocks!
[08:51] <kamstrup> didrocks: sweet :-) so you're using bzr rebase?
[08:51] <didrocks> kamstrup: I also love now the "by popularity" order
[08:51] <kamstrup> didrocks: yeah, it feels much more natural
[08:51] <didrocks> kamstrup: well, I didn't get much time to work on it, so it was easier to uncommit + bzr pull
[08:51] <kamstrup> didrocks: that's the manual rebase ;-)
[08:51] <didrocks> yeh ;)
[08:52] <didrocks> kamstrup: so, you are stripping the exec key in unity-package-search.cc
[08:52] <didrocks> kamstrup: I think I'll use that to find the corresponding icon (if one)
[08:52] <didrocks> the thing is that you are not keeping the full command line
[08:52] <didrocks> like gnome-screenshot --interactive
[08:53] <didrocks> and we can maybe have different desktop file with the same basename (see nautilus) but different options
[08:55] <kamstrup> didrocks: right, i'm not keeping the full command line because i'm just extracting what I want to be searchable
[08:57] <kamstrup> didrocks: we can store the full command line as a value in the index, but I don't think we want to index the --interactive part fx
[08:57] <kamstrup> didrocks: by "storing" i basically mean annotating the index entry with non-searchable metadata
[08:58] <kamstrup> didrocks: by why not just look up the .desktop file from the UnityPackageInfo.desktop_file ?
[08:59] <didrocks> kamstrup: hum? not sure to get you on that
[08:59] <didrocks> let's take the nautilus example
[08:59] <didrocks> if I type "nautilus", I want a match on nautilus.desktop
[09:00] <didrocks> if I type "nautilus --no-desktop", I wans a match on nautilus-home.desktop
[09:00] <kamstrup> oh...
[09:00] <didrocks> (ok, that's a lazy example, but we can take other examples like evolution which has multiple desktop file)
[09:00] <kamstrup> didrocks: that's going to be very tricky
[09:01] <didrocks> kamstrup: why? can't we just add the full name and have a match on that?
[09:01] <didrocks> full exec name*
[09:02] <kamstrup> didrocks: ok - the deal is that "nautilus --no-desktop" is converted intot the query "nautilus AND no AND desktop"
[09:03] <didrocks> with Xapian?
[09:03] <kamstrup> didrocks: so you'd also get a hit if the user typed "no"
[09:03] <kamstrup> didrocks: yes
[09:03] <didrocks> kamstrup: should I rewrite a manual parser like the run command dialog one?
[09:03] <didrocks> (looking at all desktop file and such? :/)
[09:03] <kamstrup> didrocks: atleast that's the default behaviour, you can add manual tweaks over this, but then matters get complex quickly
[09:04] <didrocks> "of course", how can it be simple? :)
[09:04] <kamstrup> didrocks: but I question the value of having "nautilus --no-desktop" match the home folder icon...
[09:04] <kamstrup> that seems like a detail for the fineschmeckers
[09:04] <didrocks> kamstrup: well, I think with evolution is make more sense
[09:04] <didrocks> like evolution -c mail and evolution -c calendar
[09:05] <kamstrup> didrocks: what I think you want is really for the user to type "evo" and then you can autocomplete "evolution -c mail" or "evolution -c calendar"
[09:05] <didrocks> or whatever, but anyway, we should try to launch the desktop file if we have it (for bamf matching) and command line directly if we have no match
[09:06] <didrocks> right
[09:06] <didrocks> but what we want as well, is to get corresponding desktop file if they exist
[09:06] <didrocks> so that we can launch the desktop file and not the command line
[09:06] <didrocks> and make bamf life easier
[09:06] <kamstrup> right
[09:07] <didrocks> yeah so, not that easy ;)
[09:07] <didrocks> see*
[09:07] <didrocks> kamstrup: so, basically, if I can't reuse one of your cache, it's to redo the parsing manually, but I would prefer avoiding that path…
[09:08] <kamstrup> didrocks: i probably wouldn't accept patches that takes a path around the xapian index
[09:09] <kamstrup> didrocks: doing proper matching on utf-8 strings is tricky
[09:09] <didrocks> yeah, I can understand
[09:09] <kamstrup> didrocks: and we'd run a big risk of having inconsistent matching patterns
[09:09] <didrocks> so avoid xapian and 2nd cache?
[09:31] <artfwo> I'm looking for someone to look at the following diff and tell whether I'm on the right track: https://code.launchpad.net/~artfwo/unity/fix-for-728598/+merge/52523
[10:26] <hadess> does anyone here have access to the original file for the timezone maps? trying to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/651064
[10:43] <hadess> mpt, mpt_: do you have access to the source files for the timezone map in ubiquity?
[10:44]  * mpt scowls at mpt_
[10:45] <mpt> hadess, try Evan Dandrea (ev in #ubuntu-installer) -- we want to put it in a library so it's easy for time + date settings to reuse
[10:45] <mpt> I don't know where the files are, sorry
[10:45]  * aruiz enjoys the wonders of Red Hat - Ubuntu collaboration
[10:45] <mpt> hadess, maybe in https://code.launchpad.net/ubiquity
[10:48] <mpt> hadess, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-timezone.py might be it
[10:50] <htorque> gord: hello, should the variable launcher size you just merged already work (i.e., show up in ccsm)?
[10:50] <gord> htorque, yes, if you make install and your compiz is set up correctly it will show up in ccsm
[10:53] <htorque> gord: thanks, then i'll have to try again, because it's not showing up here (/usr/share/compiz/unityshell.xml contains the icon_size option)
[10:53] <gord> htorque, its in the experimental tab if thats any help ;)
[10:55] <htorque> htorque: yeah, will give it another try :-)
[10:58] <htorque> gord: was using the wrong unity plugin (had one left in ~/.compiz-1), works fine now :-)
[10:58] <gord> :)
[11:11] <hadess> mpt: no, those aren't the "source" files
[11:11] <hadess> mpt: i wanted the original files for the images used there
[11:12] <mpt> hadess, I don't know sorry. ev will know.
[11:12] <hadess> mpt: the images in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/files/head:/pixmaps/timezone/ are resized
[11:12] <hadess> mpt: thanks
[12:10] <didrocks> kamstrup: is there an easy way to transform a string separated by : in a iterator in val?
[12:10] <didrocks> somethink like foo.split(":") in python
[12:10] <didrocks> vala*
[12:11] <aruiz> didrocks, there should be a foo.split function actually
[12:11] <aruiz> didrocks, http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/unstable/glib-String-Utility-Functions.html#g-strsplit
[12:11] <didrocks> aruiz: oh realy? awesome! :)
[12:11] <didrocks> thankks, looking
[12:11] <aruiz> didrocks, look for that function somewhere in the vapis
[12:11] <kamstrup> didrocks: maxtokens arg is optional in vala
[12:12] <rsajdok> Which version of qt used unity-2d?
[12:12] <didrocks> kamstrup: sorry, I don't get you ;) I just want to iterate on the directoy in Environment.get_variable("PATH")
[12:12] <ogra> rsajdok, 4.7.1 and 4.7.2 iirc
[12:13] <kamstrup> didrocks: foreach (var path in pathvar.split(":")) { do_stuff (path); }
[12:13] <didrocks> yeah, with the split function then!
[12:13] <didrocks> awesome :)
[12:13] <ogra> (might be older than 4.7.1, whatever was default in maverick)
[12:19] <rsajdok> ogra: thanks
[12:32] <rsajdok> 1
[12:33] <seiflotfy_> senior njpatel
[12:33] <seiflotfy_> :)
[13:04] <Mark__T> m_conley_away: how to build messagingmenu-extension
[13:10] <njpatel> seiflotfy_, dude!
[13:10] <njpatel> I was unwell over the weekend so I didn't get much hacking done
[13:10] <seiflotfy_> njpatel, did u see my branch yet
[13:10] <seiflotfy_> CRAP
[13:10] <seiflotfy_> better now?
[13:10] <njpatel> bear with me, I'm going to try and do something for thurs
[13:10] <njpatel> yeah, much better after some pills :)
[14:01]  * bcurtiswx waves to room
[14:38] <artfwo> DBO, could I poke you a little more about the trashcan bug?
[14:43] <Mark__T> m_conley: how to build messagingmenu-extension
[14:43] <m_conley> Mark__T: hey - the build process is a little tricky...installing the addon from it's AMO page is probably your best bet.
[14:44] <Mark__T> well I don't have indicate.so.5 yet
[14:45] <Mark__T> m_conley: still with indicate.so.4 and libdbusmenu-glib.so.1
[14:45] <m_conley> Mark__T: hm...not willing to upgrade I suppose?  :p
[14:46] <Mark__T> need to check if that doesn't break our whole stack :-)
[14:49] <m_conley> Mark__T: alright, so I'll assume you have the code checked out, and you have the thunderbird-3.1.9-dev package installed, along with the build dependencies for Thunderbird...is that correct?
[14:50] <mterry> njpatel, hello!  I'm working on mnemonics for appmenu, and first things first, I'm adding mnemonics for non-top entries.   but the underline is always showing, not just when alt is pressed.  Is unity doing something special with the gtk-auto-mnemonics property?
[14:51] <mterry> njpatel, (or using a style that might do something special with it)
[14:56] <njpatel> mterry, "non top entries", you mean inside the actual popup menu?
[14:56] <Mark__T> m_conley: not yet, but I'm on it
[14:56] <mterry> njpatel, yeah, they weren't getting their mnemonics set either
[14:56] <mterry> njpatel, then I'll tackle showing the menu with alt and all that
[14:57] <m_conley> Mark__T: you'll also need autoconf2.13
[14:58] <mterry> njpatel, you can see the always-underline behavior with the firefox appmenu too
[14:58] <Mark__T> exactly 2.13 or at least 2.13?
[14:59] <m_conley> Mark__T: exactly 2.13.  apt-get install autoconf2.13 should do it.
[14:59] <Mark__T> not on a debian based system
[14:59] <Mark__T> let me check if we have that
[14:59] <m_conley> Mark__T: oh, you're on debian...you have the messaging menu working on Debian?
[14:59] <m_conley> cool. :)
[15:00] <Mark__T> no not on anything debian related, I'm on foresight
[15:02] <Mark__T> m_conley: we're using the indicator thing for a while, so we need a way to make thunderbird behave .-)
[15:02] <m_conley> Mark__T: hrm...not 100% familiar with that distro... cool that you got libindicator up and running though.
[15:02] <m_conley> Mark__T: let me know when you have your dependencies installed, and I'll give you the next step.
[15:03] <Mark__T> kenvandine: did it, some years ago :-D
[15:03] <kenvandine> hey Mark__T
[15:03] <Mark__T> m_conley: need to leave anyway, I try to remember, coming back on this tomorrow
[15:04] <m_conley> Mark__T: coolbeans.  See you then!
[15:04] <Mark__T> hi kenvandine  btw
[15:04] <Mark__T> m_conley: thx
[15:06] <njpatel> mterry, we don't actually touch the actual GtkMenus that popup, they are just given to us by the indicator and shown from the service (not inside unity)
[15:06] <njpatel> mterry, however the service disables appmenu itself, so maybe thats why that code isn't being used?
[15:07] <mterry> "disables appmenu itself"?
[15:10] <njpatel> UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=""
[15:10] <njpatel> before gtk_init
[15:11] <njpatel> mterry, so if the "only show mnemonics when alt is pressed" is in the appmenu loadable module, then it's not going to effect the indicators loaded by the service
[15:12] <mterry> njpatel, no, the "only show mnemonics on alt" is part of most standard gtk themes
[15:13] <njpatel> okay, I didn't realise it was controlled by the theme
[15:14] <Daekdroom> Was unity rewritten from scratch when it moved to compiz?
[15:14] <njpatel> just the views
[15:15] <njpatel> Daekdroom, ^
[15:15] <Daekdroom> Ok, thanks.
[15:15] <njpatel> mterry, the other thing might be that those menus aren't part of a GtkMenuBar
[15:16] <mterry> njpatel, hmm, maybe
[15:16] <mterry> njpatel, I think part of the theme.  It's controllable by .rc files and is part of GtkSettings
[15:17] <njpatel> Okay...maybe at least re-enable the menuproxy and see if it works? just to rule it out :)
[15:17] <mterry> njpatel, well, I'll worry about it later.  I'll get mnemonics working and then deal with them being pretty
[15:19] <njpatel> mterry, are you also adding the stuff to the indicator-appmenu to make it signal that it needs to be presented?
[15:20] <mterry> njpatel, I'm now looking at such things.  I believe the Status property is supposed to do that, right?
[15:24] <njpatel> mterry, well indicator-object has a "show-now-changed" signal that I'm waiting to connect to from the panel so I can 1. Show the appmenu to the user from behind the titlename and 2. Show the mnenomics at the same time
[15:25] <njpatel> mterry, I'm hoping through the maze of *indicat*, that signal is emitted when the Alt key is pressed or released :)
[15:25] <njpatel> AND
[15:25] <njpatel> and released*
[15:25] <njpatel> :)
[15:26] <mterry> njpatel, ok...  emitted by the appmenu IndicatorObject for consumption by unity service?
[15:26] <njpatel> yep, exactly
[15:26] <mterry> njpatel, is panel code there yet?
[15:26] <njpatel> and then we can to our bidness.
[15:26] <njpatel> mterry, nope, but I'm itching to add it :)
[15:27] <mterry> njpatel, ok, will let you know when I have something.  Thanks for the pointer.  One last thing though, actually.  The entries I see on the panel are drawn by Unity from information in the IndicatorEntryObjectBlahBlah right?  They don't show mnemonics but seem to have info.  Should I worry about that, or is that exactly what you're talkinga bout adding once I do the "show-now-changed" signal?
[15:28] <mterry> "seem to have the info they would need to"
[15:29] <njpatel> mterry, no need to worry about that, the main thing that I'll need to re-check is if I can get the original string with the '_' for the mnenomic from gtk-label
[15:29] <njpatel> if I am not getting that already
[15:30]  * njpatel checks
[15:30] <mterry> njpatel, you aren't getting that this second, but a one line diff on libdbusmenu will give it
[15:30] <mterry> njpatel, that'll be part of my merge
[15:30] <njpatel> shweet
[15:31] <mterry> njpatel, I was just confused that now that I'm giving it, the underlines aren't showing up
[15:31] <njpatel> then that'll at least break the rendering of the panel a bit (as it will always show the underscore),but I'll fix that
[15:31] <njpatel> mterry, your giving it to the panel?
[15:31] <njpatel> or just the gtkmenu?
[15:31] <mterry> njpatel, they always show up on the popups, but never in the panel
[15:31] <njpatel> actually, let's not get into this
[15:31] <mterry> njpatel, heh
[15:31] <mterry> I'll just go and work on show-now-changed
[15:31] <njpatel> mterry, PanelIndicatorObjectEntryView.cpp::fix_string ;)
[15:32] <mterry> njpatel, ah great!  OK, then all is intentional
[15:32] <njpatel> yeah, we'd "show" it when we get that signal
[15:32] <njpatel> otherwise it would render as it is now
[15:38] <bcurtiswx> is there a shortcut for the launcher that is an app has many instances you can bring them all up in front of you to choose?
[15:39] <bcurtiswx> s/is/if
[15:47] <njpatel> bcurtiswx, Super+$index_of_launcher if it's focused, or do it twice if it isn't
[15:47] <njpatel> I think we're missing a key combo for window spread, should flag that
[15:49] <bcurtiswx> njpatel, sounds good :) thx
[16:04] <mterry> njpatel, show-now-changed takes an Entry object?  I had been working under the assumption it was IndicatorObject-global
[16:06] <njpatel> mterry, interesting, I would have expected the same
[16:06] <njpatel> tedg, ^^
[16:07] <njpatel> I think he's on a call atm
[16:08] <tedg> njpatel, mterry, show_now_changed is (object, entry, boolean, pointer)
[16:08] <mterry> right, but what does the entry mean there?  I thought it was whether the whole object needs to be shown or not
[16:08] <mterry> tedg, ^
[16:10] <tedg> mterry, No, for indicator-appmenu it would signal for all of them, but something like indicator-application it'd do individuals for those that are setting their state to attention.
[16:11] <tedg> mterry, We want that for cases where the indicators have to be hidden on smaller screens.
[16:11] <tedg> mterry, So we know which should *really* be shown.
[16:11] <mterry> tedg, OK, got it.  So in my appmenu case, I just iterate the entries.  Simple enough, and I get the point
[16:14] <njpatel> oh, so I'll get that once per entry?
[16:14] <njpatel> sweet
[16:20]  * tedg knows that signals make njpatel happy, which is why we send lots of them :)
[16:21] <fta> lamalex, hi, just updated bug 728428
[16:23] <njpatel> Hehe
[16:24] <Daekdroom> Has anyone done a bug report on appmenu losing minimized application menus?
[16:39] <njpatel> Daekdroom, yep, it was discussed this morning, I think kenvandine had the fix
[16:39] <Daekdroom> Great.
[16:40] <kenvandine> njpatel, not that one
[16:42] <njpatel> Oh
[16:42] <njpatel> chrisccoulson, was mentioning it this morning
[16:43] <lamalex> didrocks, can we do mail stuff today please?
[16:43] <didrocks> lamalex: in meeting right now
[16:43] <lamalex> me too
[16:56] <danyR> didrocks: the FFe in Unity is related to modal-dialogs, mutter (and OSX)-style?
[16:56] <didrocks> danyR: modal dialogs, more info in some days, don't really have the time to discuss that :):
[16:57] <danyR> didrocks: sure, no problem. sorry, go and get unity rocking :)
[16:57] <didrocks> :)
[17:09] <lamalex> ok asking again: Is alt+letter working for anyone to access menus in Unity?
[17:10] <kenvandine> lamalex, not for me
[17:10] <lamalex> thanks kenvandine
[17:10] <kenvandine> lamalex, been feeling ignored?
[17:10]  * kenvandine shows some love
[17:11]  * lamalex is needy
[17:12] <lamalex> Wonder if it's working for anyone
[17:12] <lamalex> I've got a bug report from someone who says it works normally but when he changes his layout to swap super/alt alt+letter stops working
[17:12] <lamalex> but alt-tab still works
[17:14] <mterry> njpatel, see https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/indicator-appmenu/emit-show-now-changed/+merge/52583 and the two related merges linked there
[17:14] <mterry> njpatel, take it away!
[17:14] <njpatel> mterry, sweet!
[17:15] <njpatel> mterry, rock dude, I'll have a look as soon as I'm done with my current c++ headache
[17:30] <lamalex> vish, do papercuts use tags?
[17:30] <lamalex> jcastro, shold unity papercuts also get bitesize tags?
[17:30] <vish> lamalex: "bitesize" tags?
[17:31] <vish> lamalex: if it is simple bug fix sure
[17:31] <lamalex> vish, in unity we have "bitesize bugs" which are bugs that have easier fixes for new contribs, but I'm not really sure HOW small is too small for bitesize
[17:31] <lamalex> a bug like "missing ellipsis" is a papercut, but it might not be really what jcastro wants for bitesize
[17:32] <lamalex> bitesize might really be more for coding bugs
[17:32] <vish> yea, bitesizes are like bigger papercuts
[17:32] <lamalex> yah, so for papercuts do I just tag?
[17:32] <lamalex> or is there another process
[17:32] <vish> lamalex: you need to add via the "also affect project"
[17:32] <lamalex> k
[17:35] <lamalex> thanks
[17:35] <jcastro> oh cool
[17:35] <jcastro> I'll mention papercuts in my report today
[17:37] <seiflotfy_> DBO, can i ask the laucnher which ".desktop" files are visible ?
[17:38] <DBO> seiflotfy_, not yet, soon
[17:38] <seiflotfy_> DBO come on I want ot bring the docky jumplists
[17:38] <seiflotfy_> to unity
[17:59] <aruiz> kenvandine, just rolled a tarball
[18:20] <kenvandine> aruiz, cool, i'll update it :)
[19:02] <mainerror> jcastro, thought it might be a good idea to get in here for direct feedback on the proofreading
[19:07] <mainerror> oh that works too thanks you didrocks ;)
[19:08] <didrocks> mainerror: thanks for your detailed answer :)
[19:09] <didrocks> nice to see users digging into it!
[19:09] <mainerror> oh well I'm trying to dig even deeper but at the moment I still have to get a great picture of the entire code
[19:10] <didrocks> mainerror: do not hesitate if you need any help :)
[19:10] <didrocks> ok, dinner time right now! see you tomorrow :)
[19:13] <mainerror> oh yea right one question. Is there any documentation I can check for the dconf form-factor string format?
[19:15] <didrocks> mainerror: you mean in general or just for the unity key?
[19:15] <mainerror> well I guess both :)
[19:15] <mainerror> my browser loves bookmarks :D
[19:16] <didrocks> http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/unstable/glib-GVariant.html
[19:16] <didrocks> it's a gvariant type
[19:16] <didrocks> (see also links for detail in the format)
[19:16] <mainerror> ok cool, thanks
[19:17] <didrocks> for unity, it's just a list of strings defining the order and what's it in the glib
[19:17] <didrocks> the other is just a key for the latest migration and unity to decide to call or not the script, it should never be changed manually :)
[19:17] <didrocks> (or normally the script won't hurt, but we never know ;))
[19:17] <didrocks> ok, really going now, see you!
[19:18] <mainerror> thanks bye
[19:37] <bdrung> what component's fault can it be if audacity has problems when running Unity, but works great with the classic desktop (bug #731451)?
[19:44] <Daekdroom> bdrung, appmenu's fault
[19:44] <Daekdroom> it also happens in classic gnome if you use appmenu there
[19:44] <Daekdroom> I tested it right now
[19:48] <bdrung> Daekdroom: thanks for figuring that out.
[19:48] <bdrung> Daekdroom: will you comment the bug?
[19:48] <Daekdroom> bdrung, done it ;)
[19:57] <nhaines> The titlebars in my windowed applicatoins are not being updated (say in Firefox when I navigate sites) until the window loses or receives focus.
[19:57] <nhaines> When the window is maximized, the window title changes in real time.
[19:58] <nhaines> Is this more likely to be a Compiz bug or a Unity bug and under what package do I file this?  :)
[20:23] <lamalex> nhaines, that's a unity bug
[20:23] <lamalex> it should have been fixed a while back though
[20:39] <LLStarks> hi, is there any way to completely reset unity that isn't unity --reset?
[20:39] <LLStarks> i need to restore lost launcher icons
[20:47] <lamalex> LLStarks, try this gsettings reset com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites
[20:47] <lamalex> in a terminal
[20:49] <lamalex> let me know if that works please, I'm testing it on you :P
[20:49] <jcastro> I can test
[20:49] <jcastro> is it supposed to be instant apply?
[20:49] <lamalex> erm, i dont know
[20:49] <lamalex> see if the gsettings key was reset
[20:50] <lamalex> gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites
[20:50] <jcastro> it was
[20:50] <jcastro> I think I would just need to log  out and back in?
[20:51] <jcastro> or perhaps do that BEFORE a unity --reset
[20:51] <jcastro> lamalex: yep, it's not instant
[20:51] <jcastro> works though
[20:51] <lamalex> ya
[20:51] <lamalex> k
[20:51] <jcastro> you just need to do it before the --reset
[20:51] <lamalex> i put in my answer to do the gsettings first
[20:51] <lamalex> perfect :P
[21:01] <LLStarks> lamalex, jcastro, the gsettings command is insufficient
[21:01] <LLStarks> it adds almost everything on your desktop to the launcher
[21:03] <jcastro> hmmm
[21:03] <jcastro> I wonder if it's running the autoimporter thing again?
[21:03] <LLStarks> there's still no usc button
[21:04] <LLStarks> or was there even one to begin with?
[21:04] <jcastro> it's supposed to be there I think
[21:04] <jcastro> I don't have one
[21:04] <jcastro> what did it add from your desktop
[21:04] <jcastro> do you have like .desktop files on there?
[21:05] <LLStarks> any custom launchers on my desktop
[21:05] <LLStarks> like pkilling gnome-panel
[21:05] <LLStarks> or metacity --replace
[21:06] <jcastro> ok so you have launchers on your desktop already then right?
[21:06] <LLStarks> yes
[21:06] <jcastro> ['nautilus-home.desktop', 'firefox.desktop', 'ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop', 'tomboy.desktop']
[21:06] <jcastro> do you have those on your launcher?
[21:07] <LLStarks> yes
[21:07] <jcastro> it should have those + whatever you have on your desktop or panel
[21:07] <LLStarks> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/65896468/launcher.png
[21:07] <jcastro> so  if you want it totally stock, move the .desktop files on your desktop into a folder or something temporarily, reset everything, and then move them back
[21:07] <LLStarks> after pruning the unwanted stuff
[21:08] <LLStarks> so there shouldn't be a usc button?
[21:08] <jcastro> not right now
[21:08] <jcastro> I am pretty sure it's supposed to be there though
[21:09] <lamalex> jcastro, um are you sure? it's in the gsettings schema
[21:09] <LLStarks> ah, stupid unity website made me paranoid with the mockups
[21:09] <jcastro> I can ask didrocks tomorrow if that changed from UDS, iirc USC was supposed to be there
[21:09] <lamalex> oh wait no it's not
[21:09] <LLStarks> it should be there, my god. after all the work that's been put into it.
[21:09] <jcastro> lamalex: it's supposed to be according to the spec, but that might have changed
[21:09] <lamalex> it was removed from the gsettings schema at some point, seems like that is one that should be there
[21:09] <jcastro> I am willing to bet it's just a bug
[21:09] <lamalex> fair enough- but that command /is/ resetting to default
[21:10] <lamalex> just the defaults might be out of date
[21:10] <lamalex> or have changed
[21:10] <LLStarks> bug 731018 por favor
[21:11] <LLStarks> on the subject of the launcher, is there any solution for adequate replacement of preferences and administration? i'd like to see something like ubuntu control center or a dedicated menu.
[21:12] <jcastro> currently you need drill down to "system" in the Applications Place
[21:16] <LLStarks> i guess i'll just have to see what a month of polish brings. i guess pretty scrollbars that might break trough-borders are more important.
[21:17] <jcastro> kamstrup's working on the dash improvements fulltime
[21:17] <jcastro> though tbh I just search for what I need
[21:17] <LLStarks> search is nice if you know what you're looking for
[21:18] <Omega> I'd like to be able to resize mine.
[21:18] <Omega> It takes the whole screen here.
[21:18] <jcastro> Omega: yeah me too
[21:19] <LLStarks> window decorator crashes, no "show desktop" button, and unity refusing to hide itself are just too much to deal with at times.
[21:19] <Daekdroom> Fullscreen Dash is so slow here.
[21:19] <Daekdroom> LLStarks, try Super + D
[21:19] <jcastro> they just nailed one of the autohide weirdness ones this week
[21:20] <LLStarks> :D
[21:20] <LLStarks> nice
[21:20] <jcastro> but it's not quite there yet
[21:21] <Daekdroom> I like the way it's improving, but what bothers me is how its looks are done.
[21:25] <Omega> Oh, they fixed the hide weirdness?
[21:25] <Omega> Like 5 minutes ago I switched to autohide
[21:25] <Omega> because I hated unity stealing focus
[21:25] <jcastro> it feels mostly gone
[21:26] <jcastro> it's not as unhiding as before
[22:02] <nmarques> kenvandine, last patch on dbusmenu fixed the Me Menu issues ;) awesome job, my stuff is bugless now :)
[22:02] <nmarques> s|my|our
[22:03] <kenvandine> haha... not bugless :)
[22:03] <kenvandine> you just haven't seen them yet :-p
[22:04] <jcastro> heh
[22:07] <nmarques> kenvandine, it's working for me ;)
[22:08] <nmarques> kenvandine, I'm freezing this for 11.4, and will start working out for GNOME3
[22:10] <kenvandine> :)
[22:13] <RAOF> Gah.  Does compiz really need a stack 50 frames deep?
[22:18] <Amaranth> RAOF: at least one for every plugin loaded
[22:18] <Amaranth> RAOF: if you crash inside unityshell add 5-10 to that easy
[22:19] <LLStarks> daekdroom, anything equivalent to alt+f2? i need to access folders quickly like i did with metacity.
[22:19] <Daekdroom> LLStarks, not currently
[22:19] <Daekdroom> iirc, I read in Launchpad they plan to give dash a function to run commands.
[22:24] <LLStarks> time is getting tight isn't it? wouldn't it have been easier to deploy unity mutter while building unity compiz as a branch project?
[22:25] <Daekdroom> I suspect that would require a move to GTK+3
[22:26] <LLStarks> wasn't une mutter?
[22:26] <RAOF> Yes.  But you may have noticed that performance sucked.
[22:27] <LLStarks> ah. that's a deal breaker then.
[22:29] <jcastro> alt-f2 should be almost ready
[22:29] <jcastro> I think didrocks was waiting for a bug to be fixed
[22:51] <Daekdroom> Is disabling appmenu planed at all to be an option for Unity?
[22:53] <aruiz> Daekdroom, why do you ask? :-)
[22:53] <Daekdroom> Somebody is wondering about that in #ubuntu+1
[22:55] <LLStarks> memory leaks i suppose
[22:55] <Daekdroom> Those are everywhere :(
[22:55] <LLStarks> no reason for appmenu to take up 1MB per use and climb to 700+MB
[22:55] <Daekdroom> But no, the guy just doesn't like it
[22:57] <aruiz> LLStarks, if it happens, there's a reason
[22:57] <aruiz> :P
[22:57] <Daekdroom> aruiz, but there is no legit reason
[23:01] <LLStarks> bug 722972 por favor