[00:33] <jfi> it is generated since maverick during boot
[00:43] <LLStarks> hi, how do i reset the unity launcher?
[00:43] <LLStarks> or remove its config files
[00:43] <Daekdroom> LLStarks, what's wrong with it?
[00:44] <Daekdroom> As far as I know, the only thing you can edit is its behaviour (never hide, autohide etc) and the launchers
[00:44] <LLStarks> i want to restore default icons
[00:45] <LLStarks> and there's no software center icon
[00:45] <LLStarks> which is shameful
[00:45] <Daekdroom> I don't quite remember how it looks by default..
[00:46] <lwizardl> is there anyone working on fixing the Intel HDMI audio card support for 11.04 ? Just wondering since I have this and on both versions of 10.X (04/10) its partially broken
[00:51] <histo> lwizardl: hav eyou checked launchpad?
[00:52] <lwizardl> histo, nope I asked in the regular channel and was directed here
[00:56] <arand> !lp | histo
[00:56] <arand> Oh
[00:56] <arand> !lp | lwizardl
[01:03] <lwizardl> thanks
[01:30] <micahg> anyone see a stray soffice.bin process on natty?
[04:24] <judgen> Howdy
[08:18] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/QEECE.png > i still get some wrong "display" on unity-2d panel
[08:32] <twager> !nvidia
[09:21] <zniavre_> does nvidia-173 works on natty please?
[09:22] <susundberg> no
[09:26] <zniavre_> susundberg,  thank you
[09:26] <zniavre_> nouveau can handle unity  (3d) ?
[10:00] <RawChid>  Hi, I'm translating Ubuntu. Can anybody tell me what "Apps" are?
[10:00] <Tm_T> applications
[10:00] <RawChid> Are those the same as "Applications"
[10:00] <RawChid> These words are used in Unity and I thought about iPhone/iPad Apps.
[10:01] <RawChid> Examples: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/unity/+pots/unity/nl/+translate?show=untranslated
[10:01] <Tm_T> Apps is just shorthand for Applications, same pretty much everywhere
[10:02] <RawChid> Yeah, I was aware of that. But just to be sure
[10:02] <RawChid> Is there a reason to switch to using the word "App" instead of Applications?
[10:04] <Tm_T> it's shorter, and widely used shorthand
[10:04] <Tm_T> can't think of any other reason, but cannot think of any reason why not either
[10:05] <RawChid> Well, for me (as a Dutch guy) it's a bit confusing.
[10:05] <RawChid> We haven't a shorter translation for it, so in Dutch it'll remains "Application"
[10:20] <visual1ce> hi
[10:41] <alexanbj> in unity alpha 3 functionality to resize the dash was added
[10:41] <alexanbj> but how do i do that? it fills the entire view here and theres nothing to grab in the bottom right corner
[10:42] <callaghan> alexanbj: afaik, on netbooks it's always fullscreen
[10:42] <callaghan> alexanbj: otherwise, there should be a button to drag at the lower right corner...
[10:43] <alexanbj> aha, so that's why
[10:43] <alexanbj> but laptop != netbook? :p
[10:45] <callaghan> alexanbj: it depends on the screen resolution; my netbook has 1024x600 ;)
[10:46] <callaghan> alexanbj: here the dash is fullscreen by default; otherwise, it should look like the pictures here, and you should be able to resize it: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/ubuntu-11-04-alpha-3-released/
[11:41] <visual1ce> hi
[11:44] <visual1ce> is there any way to rearrange the panel... i'd like the max, min and close buttons on the top right
[11:45] <visual1ce> in unity
[11:45] <visual1ce> natty
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[15:54] <veloc1ty> hi.. is there a way to get fglrx running with natty yet?
[17:41] <insanity99> hey guys, is unity optional?
[17:42] <ior3k> insanity99: in what sense?
[17:42] <insanity99> can i still use gnome
[17:42] <IdleOne> the classic desktop, yes.
[17:42] <insanity99> unity isn't for me
[17:42] <ior3k> insanity99: yup, just choose "classic desktop" as your session
[17:43] <ior3k> I'm still using gnome, too, but I'll probably jump to unity-2d
[17:43] <insanity99> ok, think they will be slowly phasing it out or gnome will have continued support?
[17:43] <ior3k> I hear it supports xmonad
[17:44] <ior3k> well, gnome2 will be discontinued at some point
[17:44] <ior3k> I think ubuntu will still provide gnome3 support
[17:46] <ior3k> for the record, I think developing unity was a great move
[17:46] <insanity99> yeah, i love gnome. with gnome i need no desktop shortcuts, i can find anything i need real quick
[17:46] <insanity99> really? why? i dont hate it or anything, just want to know your opinion]
[17:47] <ior3k> because they're being bold enough to try new things
[17:47] <Daekdroom> GNOME3 is not going to be included in Ubuntu 11.04
[17:47] <Daekdroom> Gnome Shell (which is only part of Gnome 3, not all of it) will be available in the repos in the future
[17:47] <ior3k> oh, from reading Mark's posts I got the impression it would
[17:48] <ior3k> I'm not the most informed person about all things Ubuntu, though
[17:48] <Daekdroom> All Gnome apps are still 2.32 in 11.04
[17:48] <ior3k> Daekdroom: that's due to stability concerns, right? I assume Gnome3 will eventually be included?
[17:49] <Daekdroom> ior3k, not in 11.04
[17:49] <insanity99> aint broken, dont fix it i guess
[17:49] <ior3k> right, I mean after that
[17:49] <Daekdroom> In 11.10 they will, iirc
[17:49] <Daekdroom> There's a blueprint regarding that somewhere in launchpad
[17:49] <Daekdroom> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-gnome3
[17:49] <insanity99> whens the next lts?
[17:50] <Daekdroom> 12.04
[17:50] <insanity99> ok
[18:58] <BUGabundo> evening
[19:13] <MTecknology> gall darnit.. apty go breaky
[19:14] <genii-around> Hm. I wonder if  the " * Work around build failure in bash-static on amd64." in changelog for bash_4.2-0ubuntu2 possibly what's causing this other non-writing of .bash_history thing at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/728843
[19:14] <MTecknology> looks like vim-runtime has yet to be published
[19:16] <MTecknology> Maybe when I get back from a short trip (~1hr) i'll be able to update vim
[19:17] <Daekdroom> I better stop subscribing to every bug I encounter in natty
[19:47] <techbreak> I don't like unity in natty .. how do i remove it and get maverick desktop look ?
[19:48] <Daekdroom> techbreak, in login screen, pick Classic Gnome instead of ubuntu desktop edition
[19:49] <techbreak> Daekdroom: i have "log in automatically" in my ubuntu
[19:49] <Daekdroom> techbreak, disable that once. I think that after you pick Classic Gnome one time, it'll default to it.
[19:50] <BUGabundo> no need
[19:50] <BUGabundo> just log out
[19:50] <BUGabundo> and pick
[19:50] <techbreak> Daekdroom: ok
[19:50] <Daekdroom> Or that.
[19:50] <techbreak> BUGabundo: log out and pick?
[19:50] <BUGabundo> yeah
[19:50] <BUGabundo> logout
[19:50] <techbreak> BUGabundo: ok I got. :) ok
[19:50] <BUGabundo> click on the users
[19:50] <BUGabundo> then before passwork
[19:51] <BUGabundo> choose the Window Manager to use
[19:51] <BUGabundo> on the bottom bar
[19:51] <techbreak> BUGabundo: okie thanks I will check that :)
[19:52] <markfletcher> anyone had any issues with networkmanager breaking?
[19:52] <drc> BUGabundo: Just out of curiosity...what if one has "auto login" enabled, how would one change that?
[19:52] <techbreak> I have one more problem with another laptop
[19:53] <BUGabundo> markfletcher: wfm
[19:53] <BUGabundo> drc: its stil timed
[19:53] <drc> BUGabundo: thanks
[19:53] <techbreak> when i give update-manager -d in alt+f2 the update of natty doesn't show :(
[19:53] <techbreak> how do i upgade it then ?
[19:54] <BUGabundo> techbreak: do-release-upgrade -d
[19:54] <BUGabundo> but are you on natty alreadty?
[19:54] <BUGabundo> or maverick ?
[19:54] <techbreak> BUGabundo: one laptop natty one maverick
[19:55] <techbreak> i want to change maverick one to natty now BUGabundo
[19:55] <BUGabundo> natty won't have anything to upgrade to
[19:55] <BUGabundo> maverick should work
[19:55] <techbreak> BUGabundo: no not that one another one
[19:55] <BUGabundo> remove any 3rd party ppa or repo
[19:55] <techbreak> ok M cheking ur command
[19:55] <techbreak> BUGabundo: how do i remove that ?
[19:55] <BUGabundo> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[19:56] <BUGabundo> and comment (add #) each line that isn't the oficial repo
[19:56] <techbreak> do-release-upgrade -d is not working :(
[19:57] <BUGabundo> that's strange
[19:57] <BUGabundo> it *should* work
[19:57] <BUGabundo> sorry, but not sure what to say or guide you
[19:58] <BUGabundo> please file a bug, so the mantainer can take a look
[19:58] <BUGabundo> ubuntu-bug  do-release-upgrade
[19:58] <BUGabundo> $ ubuntu-bug  do-release-upgrade
[19:58] <techbreak> BUGabundo: okie
[19:58] <techbreak> one more thing
[19:58] <techbreak> which lines to add # ?
[19:59] <techbreak> all the stuffs which don;t have maverick in it ?
[20:00] <Daekdroom> BUGabundo, techbreak, it comments all the unnoficial repos by default
[20:00] <BUGabundo> well, even those with maverick can be comment, cause they could be from PPA
[20:00] <BUGabundo> Daekdroom: what does? the upgrade tool? yes
[20:00] <BUGabundo> but he is not able to run it
[20:00] <Daekdroom> It remove all PPAs before upgrading too
[20:01] <Daekdroom> Oh.
[20:01] <Daekdroom> He's going to do it manually?
[20:01] <BUGabundo> hope not
[20:01] <techbreak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/577587/
[20:01] <BUGabundo> I don't recommend it
[20:01] <BUGabundo> specially if he is not able to work his way around it
[20:02] <techbreak> BUGabundo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/577587/
[20:02] <BUGabundo> techbreak: sincerely , based on this little talk, and all your questions, I don't feel like you should be running natty
[20:03] <techbreak> BUGabundo: but why the update managear is not showing upgarde option ?
[20:03] <BUGabundo> that I don't know
[20:03] <BUGabundo> hence why I asked you to file a bug
[20:04] <BUGabundo> it will collect the needed data, and have the most adqueated person looking at it
[20:04] <techbreak> BUGabundo: ok
[20:05] <Daekdroom> I wonder if his system is set to show only LTS releases
[20:05] <techbreak> Daekdroom: no i just checked the settings
[20:05] <BUGabundo> Daekdroom: maybe
[20:05] <BUGabundo> but on maverick ?
[20:05] <BUGabundo> not expected
[20:06] <techbreak> BUGabundo: i just checked settings... its fine Daekdroom
[20:06] <Daekdroom> Hm.
[20:25] <e01> hello
[20:25] <e01> how can i downgrade compiz to 0.8
[20:41] <Daekdroom> e01, why?
[20:45] <coz_> hey all
[20:46] <e01> Daekdroom, because with 0.9 i get decrease of the visual speeds
[20:46] <e01> i can`t resize windows, when switching about windows they move choppy
[20:46] <e01> with 0.8 i had no problems
[20:47] <Daekdroom> e01, are you sure it's not related to videocard drivers?
[20:47] <e01> :) yes
[20:48] <e01> i see this problem few months ago, when i switched to the 0.9, i thinked in natty with new xorg and new compiz and new drivers all will works as before but no
[22:48] <gordonjcp> hello
[22:48] <gordonjcp> how do I put the menu bar back into the app windows, in 11.04?
[22:48] <Daekdroom> gordonjcp, are you using unity?
[22:49] <gordonjcp> Daekdroom: I have no idea
[22:49] <Daekdroom> Riiight. Do you have the sidebar launcher?
[22:49] <gordonjcp> yes
[22:49] <gordonjcp> it's actually quite like a Mac lying on its side
[22:50] <Daekdroom> That means you're using Unity, and you can't move the menu bar back to window apps in unity, for now atleast.
[22:50] <gordonjcp> ugh
[22:50] <Daekdroom> You can move back to Classic GNOME, tho
[22:50] <Daekdroom> All you have to do is logout and pick "Classic gnome" in the bottom bar before you enter your password
[22:50] <gordonjcp> is moving the menu bar back to the window likely to come along in Unity?
[22:50] <Daekdroom> gordonjcp, not sure
[22:51] <gordonjcp> tbh the whole "menu bar stuck to the top of the screen" is what's kept me from being able to use Mac OS
[22:51] <gordonjcp> can the launcher go at the bottom?
[22:51] <Daekdroom> Nope.
[22:52] <gordonjcp> yeah, I noticed
[22:53] <gordonjcp> it hard-locked the machine when I dragged it
[22:54] <gordonjcp> probably won't stick with Unity then, I've got about ten years of muscle-memory wired up for a dock at the bottom of the screen
[22:56] <gordonjcp> how do I open more than one terminal in Unity?
[22:57] <gordonjcp> apart from wave the mouse around until the menu appears, then File->Open Terminal
[22:57] <gordonjcp> surely if double-clicking the launcher icon launches one, double-clicking again should launch another
[22:57] <Daekdroom> The other easiest way is using Dash.
[22:58] <Daekdroom> You can file a bug asking for that, really.
[22:58] <gordonjcp> ah, right
[22:58] <gordonjcp> no firebug in FF4
[22:58] <gordonjcp> bye
[23:14] <gordonjcp> I don't understand Unity
[23:14] <gordonjcp> presumably it's designed for people cleverer than me
[23:14] <coz_> gordonjcp,  :)  I doubt it
[23:15] <Daekdroom> There are a lot of stuff I don't like about Unity, but none involves that
[23:15] <gordonjcp> coz_: maybe it's designed for people who have never used a computer and therefore have no preconceived ideas about how desktops and applications work
[23:15] <coz_> gordonjcp,  what unity should be is a neatly designed interface for a netbook which also means a small monitor/screen
[23:15] <gordonjcp> coz_: I've been trying for ten minutes to bring a window to the foreground
[23:16] <gordonjcp> I can't figure out how to do it
[23:16] <coz_> gordonjcp,  it should be as simple as clicking the window
[23:16] <gordonjcp> coz_: I can't click it, it's behind the browser
[23:16] <gordonjcp> if I click the terminal icon in the side bar, they appear, but then they disappear again when I click anything else
[23:16] <gordonjcp> and the browser disappears too
[23:17] <coz_> gordonjcp,  if you click upper panel...does it lest the opend windows  or if you hit scale or expo ‌ compiz
[23:17] <gordonjcp> it's like one of those puzzle games where you've got to turn off all the lights, but pressing each button turns some off and some on
[23:17] <coz_> does it list them rather
[23:17] <gordonjcp> the bar at the top?
[23:17] <Daekdroom> gordonjcp, it gets so easier when you learn the keyboard shortcuts
[23:17] <coz_> gordonjcp,  let me log of on the other system and bring up unity ..hold on
[23:17] <gordonjcp> nothing happens if I click on it
[23:18] <gordonjcp> alt-f2 doesn't bring up a run box
[23:18] <Daekdroom> That one is getting fixed soon
[23:18] <gordonjcp> hmmm
[23:18] <gordonjcp> this is too hard
[23:19] <gordonjcp> oh great, it's obliterated menu.lst
[23:19] <gordonjcp> now I can't even dual-boot
[23:19] <coz_> gordonjcp,  you can temporarily install grun and set that with a keybinding
[23:21] <gordonjcp> oh, no - it just creates its on /boot and doesn't bother to mount mine
[23:21] <gordonjcp> *own
[23:22] <gordonjcp> okay, so I need to reinstall grub then
[23:22] <coz_> gordonjcp, mm  ytou are correct about several opened windows... I cant find a way to bring       one forward here either
[23:22] <yofel_> shouldn't happen as long as /boot is properly in fstab
[23:22] <gordonjcp> yofel: I can't tell if it is or not, /etc/fstab is all full of UUIDs
[23:23] <yofel> gordonjcp: any reason you were still using grub1 ?
[23:23] <gordonjcp> yofel: yes
[23:23] <yofel> gordonjcp: sudo blkid will list all UUIDs
[23:23] <gordonjcp> I rarely use Ubuntu
[23:23] <gordonjcp> and that's the only thing that uses grub1 dodgyness
[23:24] <coz_> gordonjcp,  oh wait... just click on the icon in the Launcher to bring the window forward into focuss
[23:24] <gordonjcp> coz_: right, but then it closes all the other windows
[23:24] <coz_> gordonjcp,  no it pushes them into the background ... at least it does here
[23:24] <Daekdroom> It pushes them into the background here
[23:25] <gordonjcp> coz_: hm, it closes firefox and leaves the terminal windows open here
[23:25] <coz_> gordonjcp,  try clicking the firefox icon again
[23:25] <gordonjcp> right, anyway, short of zeroing out the disk and starting from scratch, how do I get grub1 back?
[23:25] <gordonjcp> coz_: that plops firefox over everything again, and I'm back where I started
[23:25] <coz_> gordonjcp,  you would have to reinstall via a live cd
[23:25] <gordonjcp> oh, great
[23:26] <gordonjcp> I knew I'd regret this ;-)
[23:26] <coz_> gordonjcp,  well on a netbook system there is only so much room ... so much realestate
[23:26] <coz_> gordonjcp,  thus the reason for global menu
[23:26] <gordonjcp> coz_: so why are they pushing a netbook WM for a desktop?
[23:26] <coz_> gordonjcp,  or you can change sessions  to either classic gnome  or classic gnome (no effects)
[23:26] <gordonjcp> I'm increasingly concerned about some of the design decisions in Ubuntu and Gnome
[23:27] <coz_> gordonjcp,  it is not designed for desktop,,, global menu is useless on a monitor larger than 15"
[23:27] <gordonjcp> coz_: so why is it the default?
[23:27] <yofel> unity is a ubuntu only decision - I personally haven't tried gnome3 yet
[23:27] <coz_> and completely dumb on dual monitors
[23:28] <gordonjcp> so is it unity, or gnome 2 in 11.04?
[23:28] <yofel> both
[23:28] <coz_> gordonjcp,  well it is probably default because of the new design and implimentation of compiz 0.9.x  replacing mutter,,  and because the previous netbook used mutter which was a resouce hog
[23:28] <Daekdroom> GNOME 2 Apps + Unity as a Shell
[23:28] <yofel> you can choose at login
[23:28] <coz_> resource
[23:28] <Daekdroom> Gnome Shell looks sooo neat
[23:28] <Daekdroom> Too bad it's unstable.
[23:28] <coz_> gordonjcp,  I personally dont use Unity  nor do I like gnome shell
[23:29] <coz_> gordonjcp,  I have a dual monitor system
[23:29] <gordonjcp> coz_: I don't even use Ubuntu, most of the time
[23:29] <gordonjcp> it's too complicated
[23:29] <Daekdroom> coz_, I didn't use Gnome Shell much because it messed up everything, but what's wrong with it?
[23:29] <coz_> gordonjcp, oh !  complicated?/ wow thats the first time I heard that :")
[23:29] <Daekdroom> What bothers me most about Unity is how it's done.
[23:29] <gordonjcp> coz_: it's a PITA to set up
[23:30] <Daekdroom> It uses images everywhere. Fullscreen Dash is slow as hell
[23:30] <gordonjcp> coz_: I'm annoyed about this grub2 thing; it's a bit bloody rude just flattening someone's boot sector without asking
[23:30] <yofel> gordonjcp: it's a PITA to configure (that's why I personally use KDE) but it's not that bad...
[23:30] <coz_> gordonjcp,  wow again... in terms of PITA to set up ...again a first :)
[23:30] <gordonjcp> now I've got god knows how much work to do to get my machine back to a usable state
[23:31] <gordonjcp> coz_: well, sound is broken by default, the stupid "close button on the wrong side" thing...
[23:31] <coz_> gordonjcp,  log off  type in your password then before hitting enter  change to classic gnome  or classic gnome (no effects)
[23:31] <gordonjcp> coz_: right, but I don't see how that unbreaks grub
[23:31] <coz_> gordonjcp,  close buttons can be changed is a jiffy
[23:31] <coz_> gordonjcp,  of course it wont fix grub
[23:31] <gordonjcp> coz_: yes, but it's annoying, and they should have been left alone
[23:32] <gordonjcp> coz_: right, well, that's my immediate problem
[23:32] <coz_> gordonjcp,  I agree in concept with you
[23:32] <coz_> gordonjcp,  but  ...there it is :)
[23:32] <coz_> gordonjcp,  you can go here and use t his how to to reinstall grub   http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide
[23:33] <coz_> gordonjcp,  also  you can simply  sudo apt-get autoremove --purge  unity
[23:34] <gordonjcp> I haven't got a livecd
[23:34] <coz_> gordonjcp,  ah ok..I was going to say read that through several times to get  your bearings
[23:48] <gordonjcp> right, so is there going to be an option to install 11.04 when it comes out without it flattening everything else on the machine?
[23:49] <gordonjcp> or are you going for the full-on Windows XP "our way or no way" thing?
[23:50] <coz_> gordonjcp,  well what you see in 11.04 right now is the way it will essentially be,, I am assuming... it only has 2 months left so I doubt any major change is going to take place
[23:50] <judgen> is there a list of packages that is going to be updated for natty?
[23:50] <coz_> gordonjcp, "flatttening"  I am not sure what you mean by that
[23:51] <judgen> I am still thinking about amiwm... it is ofcourse a minor matter, as most can build it themselves. but still.
[23:51] <Daekdroom> gordonjcp, you probably didn't set the /boot partition in the partitioner.
[23:51] <judgen> The one in the repo is from 1998
[23:51] <Daekdroom> !info amiwm
[23:51] <gordonjcp> Daekdroom: it didn't offer me a partitioner
[23:51] <Daekdroom> gordonjcp, it should have.
[23:51] <judgen> gordonjcp: yup old as shit
[23:52] <coz_> judgen,  is there a newer source version?
[23:52] <judgen> gordonjcp: does not even have clock in the bar or even resonable icon minimization
[23:52] <judgen> coz_: yes
[23:52] <judgen> 2010
[23:52] <judgen> ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/X11/wm/amiwm/amiwm0.21pl2.tar.gz
[23:52] <Daekdroom> judgen, is it available in debian?
[23:52] <gordonjcp> judgen: ?
[23:52] <coz_> judgen,  oh! mm ... interesting it is that old in the repo
[23:52] <Daekdroom> Because most packages are pulled from there.
[23:53] <judgen> gordonjcp: it is not in debian sadly
[23:53] <gordonjcp> judgen: what isn't?
[23:53] <Daekdroom> judgen, you do realize that gordonjcp is not taking part in this conversation? :P
[23:53] <judgen> i talked to the repo manager of that part, and he said "when i get time"
[23:53] <coz_> gordonjcp,  what media did you use to install natty?
[23:53] <gordonjcp> coz_: I upgraded from the previous version
[23:53] <judgen> Daekdroom: ooh sorry
[23:53] <Daekdroom> judgen, debian's or ubuntu's?
[23:53] <coz_> gordonjcp,  ah  so this is not a clean install
[23:54] <judgen> Daekdroom: the pm of debian
[23:54] <coz_> gordonjcp,  that is why you didnt get a partitioner
[23:54] <gordonjcp> Munching Midwife, or whatever the hell it's called
[23:54] <judgen> not the ubuntu one
[23:54] <Daekdroom> !schedule
[23:54] <Daekdroom> We're past feature freeze, unfortunately.
[23:55] <judgen> Daekdroom: So an update to a package is impossible?
[23:55] <Daekdroom> judgen, bugfix releases and essential updates are still allowed.
[23:55] <judgen> Daekdroom: i think a due 12year to modern release would make it =P
[23:56] <judgen> maybe there is just not as many amiga refugees out there anymore.
[23:57] <gordonjcp> I've got a couple of Amigas
[23:57] <gordonjcp> right, here goes
[23:57]  * psusi misses dungeon master and star wars on the amiga
[23:58] <gordonjcp> \o/
[23:59] <yofel> judgen: a package update is still possible, but requires an FFE
[23:59] <gordonjcp> okay, my kernel and initrd are in a bit of a funny place, but it works
[23:59] <judgen> gordonjcp: I do to, i used to use my master amiga 1200+mediator+voodoo5+blizzardPPC250+256mb ram+g4 slotter@400mhz. And ofcourse a SBC with an intel pentium M 1,8ghz. That was an awsome machine... it burned up, so i sold the parts on ebay.