[00:33] it is generated since maverick during boot [00:43] hi, how do i reset the unity launcher? [00:43] or remove its config files [00:43] LLStarks, what's wrong with it? [00:44] As far as I know, the only thing you can edit is its behaviour (never hide, autohide etc) and the launchers [00:44] i want to restore default icons [00:45] and there's no software center icon [00:45] which is shameful [00:45] I don't quite remember how it looks by default.. [00:46] is there anyone working on fixing the Intel HDMI audio card support for 11.04 ? Just wondering since I have this and on both versions of 10.X (04/10) its partially broken [00:51] lwizardl: hav eyou checked launchpad? [00:52] histo, nope I asked in the regular channel and was directed here [00:56] !lp | histo [00:56] histo: Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/ [00:56] Oh [00:56] !lp | lwizardl [00:56] lwizardl: Launchpad is a collection of development services for Open Source projects. It's Ubuntu's bug tracker, and much more; see https://launchpad.net/ [01:03] thanks [01:30] anyone see a stray soffice.bin process on natty? === Aranel_ is now known as Aranel [04:24] Howdy === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero === _LibertyZero is now known as LibertyZero [08:18] http://i.imgur.com/QEECE.png > i still get some wrong "display" on unity-2d panel [08:32] !nvidia [08:32] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto | The ATI and nVidia binary drivers may not currently be installable. [09:21] does nvidia-173 works on natty please? [09:22] no [09:26] susundberg, thank you [09:26] nouveau can handle unity (3d) ? [10:00] Hi, I'm translating Ubuntu. Can anybody tell me what "Apps" are? [10:00] applications [10:00] Are those the same as "Applications" [10:00] These words are used in Unity and I thought about iPhone/iPad Apps. [10:01] Examples: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/unity/+pots/unity/nl/+translate?show=untranslated [10:01] Apps is just shorthand for Applications, same pretty much everywhere [10:02] Yeah, I was aware of that. But just to be sure [10:02] Is there a reason to switch to using the word "App" instead of Applications? [10:04] it's shorter, and widely used shorthand [10:04] can't think of any other reason, but cannot think of any reason why not either [10:05] Well, for me (as a Dutch guy) it's a bit confusing. [10:05] We haven't a shorter translation for it, so in Dutch it'll remains "Application" [10:20] hi [10:41] in unity alpha 3 functionality to resize the dash was added [10:41] but how do i do that? it fills the entire view here and theres nothing to grab in the bottom right corner [10:42] alexanbj: afaik, on netbooks it's always fullscreen [10:42] alexanbj: otherwise, there should be a button to drag at the lower right corner... [10:43] aha, so that's why [10:43] but laptop != netbook? :p [10:45] alexanbj: it depends on the screen resolution; my netbook has 1024x600 ;) [10:46] alexanbj: here the dash is fullscreen by default; otherwise, it should look like the pictures here, and you should be able to resize it: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/ubuntu-11-04-alpha-3-released/ [11:41] hi [11:44] is there any way to rearrange the panel... i'd like the max, min and close buttons on the top right [11:45] in unity [11:45] natty [13:39] Howdy === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [15:54] hi.. is there a way to get fglrx running with natty yet? === newbie12 is now known as eBittin === Technovi1ing is now known as Technoviking [17:41] hey guys, is unity optional? [17:42] insanity99: in what sense? [17:42] can i still use gnome [17:42] the classic desktop, yes. [17:42] unity isn't for me [17:42] insanity99: yup, just choose "classic desktop" as your session [17:43] I'm still using gnome, too, but I'll probably jump to unity-2d [17:43] ok, think they will be slowly phasing it out or gnome will have continued support? [17:43] I hear it supports xmonad [17:44] well, gnome2 will be discontinued at some point [17:44] I think ubuntu will still provide gnome3 support [17:46] for the record, I think developing unity was a great move [17:46] yeah, i love gnome. with gnome i need no desktop shortcuts, i can find anything i need real quick [17:46] really? why? i dont hate it or anything, just want to know your opinion] [17:47] because they're being bold enough to try new things [17:47] GNOME3 is not going to be included in Ubuntu 11.04 [17:47] Gnome Shell (which is only part of Gnome 3, not all of it) will be available in the repos in the future [17:47] oh, from reading Mark's posts I got the impression it would [17:48] I'm not the most informed person about all things Ubuntu, though [17:48] All Gnome apps are still 2.32 in 11.04 [17:48] Daekdroom: that's due to stability concerns, right? I assume Gnome3 will eventually be included? [17:49] ior3k, not in 11.04 [17:49] aint broken, dont fix it i guess [17:49] right, I mean after that [17:49] In 11.10 they will, iirc [17:49] There's a blueprint regarding that somewhere in launchpad [17:49] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-gnome3 [17:49] whens the next lts? [17:50] 12.04 === newbie62 is now known as eBittin [17:50] ok [18:58] evening [19:13] gall darnit.. apty go breaky [19:14] Hm. I wonder if the " * Work around build failure in bash-static on amd64." in changelog for bash_4.2-0ubuntu2 possibly what's causing this other non-writing of .bash_history thing at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/728843 [19:14] Ubuntu bug 728843 in bash (Ubuntu) "After bash 4.2 update in Natty, .bash_history is no longer updated when terminal window is closed using the window manager's "X" button" [Undecided,New] [19:14] looks like vim-runtime has yet to be published [19:16] Maybe when I get back from a short trip (~1hr) i'll be able to update vim [19:17] I better stop subscribing to every bug I encounter in natty [19:47] I don't like unity in natty .. how do i remove it and get maverick desktop look ? [19:48] techbreak, in login screen, pick Classic Gnome instead of ubuntu desktop edition [19:49] Daekdroom: i have "log in automatically" in my ubuntu [19:49] techbreak, disable that once. I think that after you pick Classic Gnome one time, it'll default to it. [19:50] no need [19:50] just log out [19:50] and pick [19:50] Daekdroom: ok [19:50] Or that. [19:50] BUGabundo: log out and pick? [19:50] yeah [19:50] logout [19:50] BUGabundo: ok I got. :) ok [19:50] click on the users [19:50] then before passwork [19:51] choose the Window Manager to use [19:51] on the bottom bar [19:51] BUGabundo: okie thanks I will check that :) [19:52] anyone had any issues with networkmanager breaking? [19:52] BUGabundo: Just out of curiosity...what if one has "auto login" enabled, how would one change that? [19:52] I have one more problem with another laptop [19:53] markfletcher: wfm [19:53] drc: its stil timed [19:53] BUGabundo: thanks [19:53] when i give update-manager -d in alt+f2 the update of natty doesn't show :( [19:53] how do i upgade it then ? [19:54] techbreak: do-release-upgrade -d [19:54] but are you on natty alreadty? [19:54] or maverick ? [19:54] BUGabundo: one laptop natty one maverick [19:55] i want to change maverick one to natty now BUGabundo [19:55] natty won't have anything to upgrade to [19:55] maverick should work [19:55] BUGabundo: no not that one another one [19:55] remove any 3rd party ppa or repo [19:55] ok M cheking ur command [19:55] BUGabundo: how do i remove that ? [19:55] sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* [19:56] and comment (add #) each line that isn't the oficial repo [19:56] do-release-upgrade -d is not working :( [19:57] that's strange [19:57] it *should* work [19:57] sorry, but not sure what to say or guide you [19:58] please file a bug, so the mantainer can take a look [19:58] ubuntu-bug do-release-upgrade [19:58] $ ubuntu-bug do-release-upgrade [19:58] BUGabundo: okie [19:58] one more thing [19:58] which lines to add # ? [19:59] all the stuffs which don;t have maverick in it ? [20:00] BUGabundo, techbreak, it comments all the unnoficial repos by default [20:00] well, even those with maverick can be comment, cause they could be from PPA [20:00] Daekdroom: what does? the upgrade tool? yes [20:00] but he is not able to run it [20:00] It remove all PPAs before upgrading too [20:01] Oh. [20:01] He's going to do it manually? [20:01] hope not [20:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/577587/ [20:01] I don't recommend it [20:01] specially if he is not able to work his way around it [20:02] BUGabundo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/577587/ [20:02] techbreak: sincerely , based on this little talk, and all your questions, I don't feel like you should be running natty [20:03] BUGabundo: but why the update managear is not showing upgarde option ? [20:03] that I don't know [20:03] hence why I asked you to file a bug [20:04] it will collect the needed data, and have the most adqueated person looking at it [20:04] BUGabundo: ok [20:05] I wonder if his system is set to show only LTS releases [20:05] Daekdroom: no i just checked the settings [20:05] Daekdroom: maybe [20:05] but on maverick ? [20:05] not expected [20:06] BUGabundo: i just checked settings... its fine Daekdroom [20:06] Hm. [20:25] hello [20:25] how can i downgrade compiz to 0.8 [20:41] e01, why? [20:45] hey all [20:46] Daekdroom, because with 0.9 i get decrease of the visual speeds [20:46] i can`t resize windows, when switching about windows they move choppy [20:46] with 0.8 i had no problems [20:47] e01, are you sure it's not related to videocard drivers? [20:47] :) yes [20:48] i see this problem few months ago, when i switched to the 0.9, i thinked in natty with new xorg and new compiz and new drivers all will works as before but no === BUGabundo is now known as BUGa_fewd [22:48] hello [22:48] how do I put the menu bar back into the app windows, in 11.04? [22:48] gordonjcp, are you using unity? [22:49] Daekdroom: I have no idea [22:49] Riiight. Do you have the sidebar launcher? [22:49] yes [22:49] it's actually quite like a Mac lying on its side [22:50] That means you're using Unity, and you can't move the menu bar back to window apps in unity, for now atleast. [22:50] ugh [22:50] You can move back to Classic GNOME, tho [22:50] All you have to do is logout and pick "Classic gnome" in the bottom bar before you enter your password [22:50] is moving the menu bar back to the window likely to come along in Unity? [22:50] gordonjcp, not sure [22:51] tbh the whole "menu bar stuck to the top of the screen" is what's kept me from being able to use Mac OS [22:51] can the launcher go at the bottom? [22:51] Nope. [22:52] yeah, I noticed [22:53] it hard-locked the machine when I dragged it [22:54] probably won't stick with Unity then, I've got about ten years of muscle-memory wired up for a dock at the bottom of the screen [22:56] how do I open more than one terminal in Unity? [22:57] apart from wave the mouse around until the menu appears, then File->Open Terminal [22:57] surely if double-clicking the launcher icon launches one, double-clicking again should launch another [22:57] The other easiest way is using Dash. [22:58] You can file a bug asking for that, really. [22:58] ah, right [22:58] no firebug in FF4 [22:58] bye [23:14] I don't understand Unity [23:14] presumably it's designed for people cleverer than me [23:14] gordonjcp, :) I doubt it [23:15] There are a lot of stuff I don't like about Unity, but none involves that [23:15] coz_: maybe it's designed for people who have never used a computer and therefore have no preconceived ideas about how desktops and applications work [23:15] gordonjcp, what unity should be is a neatly designed interface for a netbook which also means a small monitor/screen [23:15] coz_: I've been trying for ten minutes to bring a window to the foreground [23:16] I can't figure out how to do it [23:16] gordonjcp, it should be as simple as clicking the window [23:16] coz_: I can't click it, it's behind the browser [23:16] if I click the terminal icon in the side bar, they appear, but then they disappear again when I click anything else [23:16] and the browser disappears too [23:17] gordonjcp, if you click upper panel...does it lest the opend windows or if you hit scale or expo ‌ compiz [23:17] it's like one of those puzzle games where you've got to turn off all the lights, but pressing each button turns some off and some on [23:17] does it list them rather [23:17] the bar at the top? [23:17] gordonjcp, it gets so easier when you learn the keyboard shortcuts [23:17] gordonjcp, let me log of on the other system and bring up unity ..hold on [23:17] nothing happens if I click on it [23:18] alt-f2 doesn't bring up a run box [23:18] That one is getting fixed soon [23:18] hmmm [23:18] this is too hard [23:19] oh great, it's obliterated menu.lst [23:19] now I can't even dual-boot [23:19] gordonjcp, you can temporarily install grun and set that with a keybinding [23:21] oh, no - it just creates its on /boot and doesn't bother to mount mine [23:21] *own [23:22] okay, so I need to reinstall grub then [23:22] gordonjcp, mm ytou are correct about several opened windows... I cant find a way to bring one forward here either [23:22] shouldn't happen as long as /boot is properly in fstab === yofel_ is now known as yofel [23:22] yofel: I can't tell if it is or not, /etc/fstab is all full of UUIDs [23:23] gordonjcp: any reason you were still using grub1 ? [23:23] yofel: yes [23:23] gordonjcp: sudo blkid will list all UUIDs [23:23] I rarely use Ubuntu [23:23] and that's the only thing that uses grub1 dodgyness [23:24] gordonjcp, oh wait... just click on the icon in the Launcher to bring the window forward into focuss [23:24] coz_: right, but then it closes all the other windows [23:24] gordonjcp, no it pushes them into the background ... at least it does here [23:24] It pushes them into the background here [23:25] coz_: hm, it closes firefox and leaves the terminal windows open here [23:25] gordonjcp, try clicking the firefox icon again [23:25] right, anyway, short of zeroing out the disk and starting from scratch, how do I get grub1 back? [23:25] coz_: that plops firefox over everything again, and I'm back where I started [23:25] gordonjcp, you would have to reinstall via a live cd [23:25] oh, great [23:26] I knew I'd regret this ;-) [23:26] gordonjcp, well on a netbook system there is only so much room ... so much realestate [23:26] gordonjcp, thus the reason for global menu [23:26] coz_: so why are they pushing a netbook WM for a desktop? [23:26] gordonjcp, or you can change sessions to either classic gnome or classic gnome (no effects) [23:26] I'm increasingly concerned about some of the design decisions in Ubuntu and Gnome [23:27] gordonjcp, it is not designed for desktop,,, global menu is useless on a monitor larger than 15" [23:27] coz_: so why is it the default? [23:27] unity is a ubuntu only decision - I personally haven't tried gnome3 yet [23:27] and completely dumb on dual monitors [23:28] so is it unity, or gnome 2 in 11.04? [23:28] both [23:28] gordonjcp, well it is probably default because of the new design and implimentation of compiz 0.9.x replacing mutter,, and because the previous netbook used mutter which was a resouce hog [23:28] GNOME 2 Apps + Unity as a Shell [23:28] you can choose at login [23:28] resource [23:28] Gnome Shell looks sooo neat [23:28] Too bad it's unstable. [23:28] gordonjcp, I personally dont use Unity nor do I like gnome shell [23:29] gordonjcp, I have a dual monitor system [23:29] coz_: I don't even use Ubuntu, most of the time [23:29] it's too complicated [23:29] coz_, I didn't use Gnome Shell much because it messed up everything, but what's wrong with it? [23:29] gordonjcp, oh ! complicated?/ wow thats the first time I heard that :") [23:29] What bothers me most about Unity is how it's done. [23:29] coz_: it's a PITA to set up [23:30] It uses images everywhere. Fullscreen Dash is slow as hell [23:30] coz_: I'm annoyed about this grub2 thing; it's a bit bloody rude just flattening someone's boot sector without asking [23:30] gordonjcp: it's a PITA to configure (that's why I personally use KDE) but it's not that bad... [23:30] gordonjcp, wow again... in terms of PITA to set up ...again a first :) [23:30] now I've got god knows how much work to do to get my machine back to a usable state [23:31] coz_: well, sound is broken by default, the stupid "close button on the wrong side" thing... [23:31] gordonjcp, log off type in your password then before hitting enter change to classic gnome or classic gnome (no effects) [23:31] coz_: right, but I don't see how that unbreaks grub [23:31] gordonjcp, close buttons can be changed is a jiffy [23:31] gordonjcp, of course it wont fix grub [23:31] coz_: yes, but it's annoying, and they should have been left alone [23:32] coz_: right, well, that's my immediate problem [23:32] gordonjcp, I agree in concept with you [23:32] gordonjcp, but ...there it is :) [23:32] gordonjcp, you can go here and use t his how to to reinstall grub http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide [23:33] gordonjcp, also you can simply sudo apt-get autoremove --purge unity [23:34] I haven't got a livecd [23:34] gordonjcp, ah ok..I was going to say read that through several times to get your bearings [23:48] right, so is there going to be an option to install 11.04 when it comes out without it flattening everything else on the machine? [23:49] or are you going for the full-on Windows XP "our way or no way" thing? [23:50] gordonjcp, well what you see in 11.04 right now is the way it will essentially be,, I am assuming... it only has 2 months left so I doubt any major change is going to take place [23:50] is there a list of packages that is going to be updated for natty? [23:50] gordonjcp, "flatttening" I am not sure what you mean by that [23:51] I am still thinking about amiwm... it is ofcourse a minor matter, as most can build it themselves. but still. [23:51] gordonjcp, you probably didn't set the /boot partition in the partitioner. [23:51] The one in the repo is from 1998 [23:51] !info amiwm [23:51] Daekdroom: it didn't offer me a partitioner [23:51] amiwm (source: amiwm): The Amiga look alike window manager. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.20.48-8 (natty), package size 92 kB, installed size 352 kB [23:51] gordonjcp, it should have. [23:51] gordonjcp: yup old as shit [23:52] judgen, is there a newer source version? [23:52] gordonjcp: does not even have clock in the bar or even resonable icon minimization [23:52] coz_: yes [23:52] 2010 [23:52] ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/X11/wm/amiwm/amiwm0.21pl2.tar.gz [23:52] judgen, is it available in debian? [23:52] judgen: ? [23:52] judgen, oh! mm ... interesting it is that old in the repo [23:52] Because most packages are pulled from there. [23:53] gordonjcp: it is not in debian sadly [23:53] judgen: what isn't? [23:53] judgen, you do realize that gordonjcp is not taking part in this conversation? :P [23:53] i talked to the repo manager of that part, and he said "when i get time" [23:53] gordonjcp, what media did you use to install natty? [23:53] coz_: I upgraded from the previous version [23:53] Daekdroom: ooh sorry [23:53] judgen, debian's or ubuntu's? [23:53] gordonjcp, ah so this is not a clean install [23:54] Daekdroom: the pm of debian [23:54] gordonjcp, that is why you didnt get a partitioner [23:54] Munching Midwife, or whatever the hell it's called [23:54] not the ubuntu one [23:54] !schedule [23:54] A schedule of Natty Narwhal (11.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule [23:54] We're past feature freeze, unfortunately. [23:55] Daekdroom: So an update to a package is impossible? [23:55] judgen, bugfix releases and essential updates are still allowed. [23:55] Daekdroom: i think a due 12year to modern release would make it =P [23:56] maybe there is just not as many amiga refugees out there anymore. [23:57] I've got a couple of Amigas [23:57] right, here goes [23:57] * psusi misses dungeon master and star wars on the amiga [23:58] \o/ [23:59] judgen: a package update is still possible, but requires an FFE [23:59] okay, my kernel and initrd are in a bit of a funny place, but it works [23:59] gordonjcp: I do to, i used to use my master amiga 1200+mediator+voodoo5+blizzardPPC250+256mb ram+g4 slotter@400mhz. And ofcourse a SBC with an intel pentium M 1,8ghz. That was an awsome machine... it burned up, so i sold the parts on ebay.