[14:48] <brice__> Hi everyone
[14:48] <brice__> I try to found some gods about themes
[14:49] <brice__> I want to use the Ambiance theme, but not all buttons (aboce, stick) are in this theme. I try to found a link (I'm sure someone had modify the theme and add thoses buttons), a coder able to do that(i think it's simple to do that wehn you know want you do ....) or any information.
[14:49] <brice__> If the option is : "someone can do that", i dont need any art work, i need only a good .xml file with "above" and "stick" like the "menu" (menu_prelight.png and menu.png). i try to do that into the .xml file, but after many try i think i'm not able to do this simple thing
[16:35] <brice__> someone have knowedge about xml files of metacity theme ?
[16:41] <vish> brice__: pretty much the same people over here and on gnome-art ;)
[16:42] <vish> brice__: i'm not exactly sure what those "above" and "stick" options you mention, but your best chances are look for themes which have those buttons and try to copy it
[16:42] <brice__> I'm on both, but no answer about my problem
[16:43] <vish> brice__: yea, i dont think i've even seen anyone use that feature, never even heard about it.. and if people on gnome-art dont know either, then the chances are pretty slim :)
[16:43] <brice__> i tryed, but without succes (modify theme)
[16:44] <vish> brice__: do you have an example theme which uses those features?
[16:44] <brice__> hmm, i'm very surprise
[16:44] <brice__> yes
[16:44] <brice__> wait
[16:44] <brice__> both are into the oficial Ubuntu 10.10 distrib
[16:44] <vish> o.0
[16:44] <brice__> yes ...
[16:45] <brice__> you know, the windows buttons, close, minimize, maximize ...
[16:45] <brice__> ?
[16:45] <vish> yup
[16:46] <vish> brice__: i think you maybe using the wrong name for it, an example theme would help understand better what you are looking for
[16:46] <brice__> into gconf-edit, it's the "config line" with something like that [menu:minimize,maxomize,close]
[16:47] <vish> i know those, but whats the  "above" and "stick"
[16:47] <brice__> into metacity, we can configure the option, ":" for the side, left or right of the windows button position
[16:47] <brice__> yes, and stick is to keep the windows into all deskops
[16:48] <brice__> and above, to keep a window above all others
[16:48] <vish> brice__: those are options in the drop down menu, there are no buttons for that
[16:49] <vish> atleast i havent seen any theme with that available
[16:49] <brice__> with the themes i will give you, i can do that without problem into gconfedit  : [close,minimize,maximize,spacer,above,stick]
[16:49] <vish> brice__: do you have an example theme which has those buttons?
[16:49] <brice__> yes, i come back
[16:50] <brice__> ok :
[16:50] <brice__> it's not full theme, but into "windows border"
[16:50] <brice__> "crux" windows border
[16:51] <brice__> and "Bright" windows border
[16:51] <vish> ah!
[16:51] <brice__> close,minimize,maximize,spacer,above,stick work with those themes
[16:51] <brice__> and shade too, but i dont use it
[16:52] <vish> brice__: ok, then check out the xml for crux
[16:52] <brice__> i done that
[16:52] <brice__> but i was not able to modify Ambiance to use it
[16:53] <vish> brice__: the ambiance file in /usr/share/themes/Ambiance ?
[16:53] <brice__> (sry about my bad english since the begening of this conversation)
[16:53] <brice__> yes
[16:53] <vish> no worries :)
[16:53] <brice__> same for crux
[16:53] <brice__> and bright
[16:53] <vish> brice__: you need to edit the file as root
[16:53] <brice__> done
[16:54] <brice__> i'm not able to found the good code to put into the metacity.xml, all my try crash the theme
[16:54] <brice__> i made many try, with various line number, many various code
[16:55] <brice__> i tryed with the Ambiance xml, copy the code and adapt it with some information i took into crux xml or bright
[16:55] <vish> brice__: open the metacity-theme-2.xml
[16:55] <vish> in crux
[16:55] <vish> it has the lines
[16:56] <brice__> yes, i found it, but i cant put them simply into the ambiance xml
[16:56] <vish> brice__: maybe you need to add it as it is done in crux, as metacity-theme-1.xml and metacity-theme-2.xml
[16:56] <brice__> metacity-theme-2.xml of crux, and metacity-theme-&.xml of ambiance arre not very equals
[16:56] <brice__> i tryed many things, without success
[16:57] <vish> brice__: ambiance does not have those lines, so you need to add new lines
[16:57] <brice__> yes
[16:57] <brice__> i done
[16:57] <brice__> but my "code sentenses" dont work
[16:57] <brice__> because i'm not familiar att all with that, i understand the way, but i'm bad
[16:58] <brice__> i try to do that since 2 days ! :)
[16:58] <brice__> i done all things you said
[16:59] <brice__> but in the bad way, because dont work, and i'm sure it's not impossible, i'm sure it's easy when you know ...
[16:59] <brice__> it's my problem .....
[16:59] <vish> brice__: if you've added all the other lines relevant to those functions too and still it does not work.. then hmm, i'm not sure.. :)
[17:00] <brice__> and i dont need arwork, i want to use the menu.png and the varient lighted, for "stick" and "above" fonction
[17:00] <brice__> it's xml metacity format ....
[17:00] <vish> yup.. understood that.. but try checking the code again and make sure it is complete
[17:00] <brice__> this must work, but i must found the good code sentence, into the good chapter of the xml
[17:01] <vish> brice__: if nothing else works, try contacting the author
[17:01] <brice__> i cant undersatnd for real all lines, but i undersatnd sometimes the mean
[17:01] <brice__> I try to contact someone maked a personnal theme
[17:01] <vish> brice__: look at the author contact info at the top of the xml file, he maybe able to help
[17:02] <brice__> with knowedgs, of corse, with metacity xml
[17:02] <brice__> done too
[17:02] <brice__> yesterday night
[17:16] <DustyOS> Hello Every One!!
[17:17] <brice__> Hi
[17:18] <DustyOS> hey there, so this is the Ubuntu-Art IRC chat eh?
[17:18] <brice__> vish, feel free to make some tryes with the xml file if you have some knowedge, i will be happy to have a working xml ! :D
[17:19] <vish> brice__: why not just use the crux theme and modify it to look like ambience.. should be easier ;)
[17:19] <DustyOS> Would it be OK if I joined the Ubuntu-Art team?
[17:20] <DustyOS> I would LOVE to
[17:20] <vish> DustyOS: sure.. check out the topic for some ways to get involved
[17:20] <brice__> Vish, i think not !
[17:20] <DustyOS> Alright cool!
[17:20] <vish> brice__: just change the images in crux , should not be too hard
[17:21] <DustyOS> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art how about this?
[17:21] <brice__> crux ->ambiance, some lines to add, ambiance->crux, all code to change
[17:21] <DustyOS> I am wanting to join the art part
[17:22] <vish> DustyOS: the art part done by the community is participating in contests like » http://is.gd/iwunay
[17:22] <brice__> Vish, not possible, the spacers are differents, and the write is very different
[17:22] <brice__> it's all the code to change
[17:22] <vish> brice__: ah, then i'm totally out of ideas ;)
[17:22] <DustyOS> OK thanks
[17:22] <DustyOS> brb- lunch
[17:22] <vish> DustyOS: also Ubuntu has a dedicated design team, Canonical design team
[17:32] <thorwil> iwunay  edapuj suhucu?
[17:32] <thorwil> shoprobdang!
[17:33] <vish> ;)
[17:33] <thorwil> at least no rickrolling
[17:35] <vish> is.gd has this option to have the urls as more "pronounceable" and i get those
[17:35] <vish> otherwise it is even more random gibberish,
[17:40] <DustyOS> Back
[17:41] <vish> DustyOS: so, i've updated the topic and you got more links to check out ;)  btw, you should know that the default wallpaper and theme is done by the Canonical design team
[17:41] <DustyOS> Woah I se
[17:41] <DustyOS> see*
[17:41] <DustyOS> thats interesting
[17:41] <DustyOS> So how do I join them?
[17:41] <vish> DustyOS: join whom?
[17:42] <DustyOS> canonical
[17:42] <vish> DustyOS: maybe when there are jobs available/open
[17:42] <DustyOS> They don't pay right?
[17:43] <vish> DustyOS:  the Canonical design team gets paid :)
[17:43] <DustyOS> Ahh...I see
[17:44] <DustyOS> Like I was wanting to contribute themes, cursors, wallpapers, icons ect..
[17:44] <DustyOS> How would I do such things?
[17:44] <vish> DustyOS: well, for wallpapers you can checkout the links in the topic
[17:45] <DustyOS> I saw them
[17:45] <DustyOS> Thanks
[17:45] <vish> DustyOS: for others, you can do work and submit on sits like gnome-look.org
[17:45] <vish> sites*
[17:45] <DustyOS> Right
[17:46] <DustyOS> Like how does a guy get it so your wallpaper that was made shows up in the next update or update for Ubuntu?
[17:46] <DustyOS> Or themes
[17:47] <vish> DustyOS:  for the wallpaper its in the links you can get your wallpaper in the next release.. ;)
[17:47] <DustyOS> Oh right
[17:48] <vish> DustyOS: themes, only 1 main theme and the rest are older themes, you can do the all the work and submit as proposals to be included, but no assurances that it might be.
[17:48] <DustyOS> I see
[17:48] <DustyOS> Would U say submitting things to Gnome-Look is contributing to Ubuntu?
[17:49] <vish> yup.. :)
[17:49] <DustyOS> Nice,
[17:49] <DustyOS> I have a question
[17:49] <DustyOS> I plan on making some cursors
[17:49] <vish> DustyOS: if you are looking to contribute to Ubuntu, just do what you like and do it without expectation whether it will be included or not in the default
[17:49] <vish> DustyOS: cool!
[17:50] <DustyOS> I know there are addons like the Gimp-Registry has the .cur add on. Do I need to script anything?
[17:50] <vish> not sure..
[17:50] <DustyOS> For instance hovering over a link creats a hand
[17:50] <vish> i'm not familiar with cursors :)
[17:50] <DustyOS> I see
[17:51] <vish> DustyOS: usually if the work is good and complete, it has better chances of getting considered for inclusion
[17:52] <DustyOS> That would make scene
[17:53] <DustyOS> What do U do?
[17:53] <vish> DustyOS: humanity icon theme
[17:53] <DustyOS> HA! U made that?
[17:54] <brice__> vish: If you have eventualy a link (mail, hour to contact here) with a man in the team familiar with xml about my problem, thx :)
[17:54] <vish> DustyOS: yea, with a couple of other guys..
[17:54] <DustyOS> Woah!! Thats so awesome! A real pleasure to meet U.
[17:55] <DustyOS> One of the best icons for Ubuntu out there is the humanity one
[17:55] <vish> pleasure to meet you as well.. :)
[17:55] <DustyOS> Great job on it too
[17:55] <vish> thx..
[17:55] <vish> brice__: i really have no clue about crux theme, and i havent heard of that author , i havent seen him here.
[17:56] <vish> brice__: he doesnt hang out here, crux theme is mostly from GNOME
[17:56] <brice__> not only about crux, but someone with knowedge about metacity xml work
[17:57] <brice__> vish: i need someone able to read esy metacity xml code
[17:58] <vish> brice__: it really should not be that hard, just try looking at the code fully, you might have missed a couple of lines hence it does not get displayed
[17:59] <vish> brice__: what you want is basically already there in those lines.. you just need to narrow it down.. sometimes trial-n-error helps ;)
[17:59] <brice__> vish: i miss something about the good place to put the adapted code, and the call of the value put in memory like valuename=value
[18:00] <brice__> I'm trying again to read the code ... but I'm very in need of help with metacity xml code god men
[18:01] <vish> brice__: try #metacity on irc.gimp.org
[18:01] <brice__> vish: empty channel
[18:02] <vish> hmm..
[18:03] <brice__> It's strange to see it's not possible to found someone able to code xml metacity, it's need to make a theme
[18:04] <brice__> here, or in gnome-art, or tango, or clearlooks ... nobody know what is close, above, shade, stick .... and it's one of the base of theme in xml ... :'(
[18:05] <vish> brice__: thats because no one use stick/above.. ;)
[18:05] <vish> brice__: check out the year for crux, 2002.. ;)
[18:06] <brice__> yes, but it's the same way like close or minimize .... :/
[18:06] <brice__> just need knowedge about xml ....
[18:06] <brice__> if someone is able to code something with close, minimize, he is able to code with above and shade and stick
[18:07] <vish> brice__: not necessarily.. i only have two options i can suggest. (1) try looking at the code again slowly, it really is not hard. (2) try recreating ambiance theme from crux.
[18:08] <vish> brice__: btw, why exactly are you looking to add those buttons?
[18:08] <brice__> (3) found a creator of any other metacity theme ;)
[18:08] <vish> thats not *my* suggestion ;)
[18:09] <brice__> vish: I stay around, I wont be mmore boring about this, i continue my code try ... I will see ... If you meet someone, any information .... thx a lot
[18:09] <vish> you're welcome.. :)
[18:20] <brice__> angry/sad  mode on
[19:30] <vish> heh, so much for trying to help brice__ ! /me got literally nagged in PM
[19:30] <vish> metacity xml is not really very hard, and IMO, quite easy to actually understand what it does
[19:31] <vish> but he wants someone to look into the theme and write it for him … o.0  and just cause he likes it that way..
[19:39] <darkmatter> lol
[20:45] <coz_> hey all
[21:25] <doctormo> hey coz_
[21:26] <doctormo> Can you review for me this desktop background?
[21:26] <doctormo> http://divajutta.com/doctormo/art/edu/perspective.png
[21:28] <highvoltage> doctormo: I'm not sure how I feel about that blue background, I think I liked it more before
[21:29] <highvoltage> doctormo: I also wonder if there should be slightly less earth visible, I'm not sure but I think it might be better with slightly more space
[22:01] <doctormo> highvoltage: Hello
[22:10] <doctormo> highvoltage: So, like that you think?
[22:34] <coz_> doctormo, hey guy