chrisccoulsonmterry - have you updated your machine today?00:34
chrisccoulsonthe appmenu is totally broken :(00:34
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kklimonda  1.0 GiB + 936.0 KiB =   1.0 GiBcompiz03:30
kklimondaoh joy :D03:30
RAOFAnd that probably doesn't even take into account the memory taken up by the textures in the pseudo-VRAM your intel card uses :)03:50
kklimondaRAOF: I use nvidia03:52
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* achiang thinks it would be nice if gnome-terminal had some magic to make (LP: #xxxxxx) clickable, and DTRT in your browser06:55
didrocksgood morning07:37
pittiGood morning07:44
SweetsharkMorning all!08:23
pittihey Sweetshark, guten Morgen08:23
pittiwie gehts/08:24
Sweetsharkgut danke! (nur damit dass mit dem franzoesisch auf #ubuntu-desktop nicht zur fixen idee wird)08:25
pittije ne parlez-pas francais08:25
SweetsharkI had a chat with _rene_ yesterday. He said he does not intend to release a 3.3.2rc1 at all. So I guess we should upload the 3.3.1 final we have now to natty main.08:27
pittiSweetshark: "make it so"08:27
pittiSweetshark: that now built for arm, and -l10n as well, right?08:28
didrockshey pitti, Sweetshark (almost one hour without looking at IRC, new record! \o/)08:28
Sweetsharkpitti: doko reported it to build on arm. I had a l10n build in my ppa, so it should be good.08:29
pittibonjour didrocks08:29
pittiSweetshark: rocking08:29
pittiSweetshark: want me to sponsor from the PPA, or from chinstrap?08:29
Sweetsharkdidrocks: Heya!08:29
Sweetsharkpitti: from chinstrap. The versioning in the ppa was fubared.08:30
pittimvo: hm, you said that you updated the bugs for the maverick SRU upload? All three of bug 665218, bug 665572, and bug 665722 are still incomplete upstream and unfixed in natty08:31
ubot2Launchpad bug 665218 in aptdaemon "Software-center reports a progamming error in aptdaemon but without any details" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66521808:31
ubot2Launchpad bug 665572 in aptdaemon "Unhandlable programming error (LockFailedError) - lock.status_lock doesn't contain a valid path" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66557208:31
ubot2Launchpad bug 665722 in aptdaemon "VirtualBox installation fails" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66572208:31
mvopitti: right, the patch adds more information to the code (capture the errors better). the bugs itself are unfixed still, but without the additional info there is no way to get them fixed08:32
pittimvo: ah, I see08:36
pittimvo: so the maverick bugs shouldn't be closed with this as well08:36
mvoyeah, I will reopen them08:40
* pitti goes to merge poppler; that'll take a bit09:07
pittiSweetshark: you'll poke me once the new OO.o is on chinstrap?09:08
seb128pitti, do you have any clue about the error in the i386 retracer log?09:12
pittiseb128: the same "big wadl dump" one?09:12
speakmanhi dev folks! This is the second computer having problem with gnome-session-daemon hanging (or dysfunction) on login. If you could tell me who to speak to, I can help tracing this bug as it hits every single time I log in.09:13
seb128pitti, no a bad argument in a gzip call09:13
seb128speakman, hi, there is no gnome-session-daemon09:13
seb128speakman, there is gnome-session or gnome-settings-daemon09:13
pittiseb128: sounds like broken core dump09:13
seb128the first handle your session the second your settings09:14
speakmangnome-settings-daemon was it :D09:14
pittiseb128: new poppler is an ABI bump unfortunately :/09:14
pittibut oh well, we had these before09:14
seb128pitti, to change...09:14
seb128it's like every second poppler update has one09:14
seb128speakman, how does it hang? are you sure it hangs and doesn't crash or exit?09:14
speakmanI'm a developer myself, but totalt new to gnome. But I thought I could help fix this issue since it's hitting me every time I log in.09:15
speakmanseb128: According to the full backtrace, it doesn't actually hang (it's resting on poll()) but killing it with SIGKILL (SIGTERM doesn't do anything) and restarting it at least get me my desktop apperance back.09:16
seb128seems what you describe is it running09:16
seb128can you copy your .xsession-errors somewhere?09:16
speakmanIt is probably. It's just not doing it's job :D09:16
speakmanseb128: absolutely!09:17
speakmanThis is my xorg.conf as well; http://pastebin.com/Z0xXPqVu09:18
speakman(I'm on dual GPU with four monitors, but this happens on a single GPU single monitor computer as well. With very little in common with my computer)09:19
seb128speakman, the warning about randr not being available is weird09:20
seb128xrandr is pretty standard nowadays09:20
speakmanOh, look at my xorg.conf09:20
speakmanIt doesn't play well with Xmonad IIRC09:20
speakmanBut still, it happens on the other single monitor non-Xmonad computer as well, so :)09:20
seb128do you have modern computers there?09:21
speakmanI -think- you can ignore that error09:21
speakmanseb128: pretty much09:21
seb128there is a known race between the gdm and the session gnome-settings-daemon09:21
speakmanseb128: Xeon W3680 / 24GB DDR3 1333MHz / 2xOCZ Vertex 2 SSD in RAID009:21
speakmanwhat's common with the other computer having the same issue is SSD's09:22
seb128bug #63991309:22
speakman(I've never, through my many many years with Ubuntu, seen this before. Not even on many Maverick installations)09:22
ubot2Launchpad bug 639913 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon random crash at session start (xorg badmatch error)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63991309:22
seb128that's the wrong number09:23
speakmanFor the record; Both computers experiencing this issue is entirely new and had Maverick installed from scratch.09:25
seb128bug #64980909:25
ubot2Launchpad bug 649809 in gdm "the session settings manager can try starting before the login screen one exits" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64980909:25
speakmanIt has been an issue since the first login. On both machines.09:25
seb128speakman, ^ I think that's your issue09:25
seb128speakman, you can try the sleep workaround from comment #68 if you want09:26
speakmanThanks, I'm just reading through the comments...09:28
seb128speakman, there is quite some "noise" from before we figured what was the issue09:29
glatzormorning mvo, are there any plans to get multi arch to python-apt?09:29
speakmanHas it anything to do with the fast HDD's? Because I'm (2xVertex 2 in RAID0) experiencing it all the time, and my mates (LVM'd OCZ RevoDrive) experienceing it randomly.09:29
seb128speakman, yes, it's mostly a race, if your system loads the session g-s-d before the login one has exited you get the issue09:30
seb128where io is most of the loading work09:30
speakmanseb128: that's probably it then.09:30
seb128speakman, you can try the sleep 1 workaround to see if that "fixes" it09:31
seb128if that does it's clearly that race09:31
seb128it will be fixed for natty09:31
speakmanseb128: just have to say, the Vertex 2 is some extremely fast disks. And two in RAID0 makes about 600MB/s random 4k both reads and writes :)09:31
* speakman soon at #68 :D09:31
speakmanBut while reading; Do you have any idea how to tell GDM on which monitor it should show the login screen?09:32
seb128I think it uses the "primary" monitor09:33
seb128you can probably define in xorg which one that is09:33
speakmanok, thanks :)09:33
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seb128pitti, so this retracer gzip crash, should apport be robust to such issues?10:07
seb128i.e do you want to keep that buggy retracing as a test and fix the issue?10:07
doko_seb128, pitti: so new gnomish upstream versions (and build failures like gdk-pixbuf) are ongoing. any idea when this will slow down?10:10
seb128doko_, it will not10:10
seb128doko_, stack libraries got updates every second weeks10:10
seb128those are minor updates, out of transition arch all,any mismatches there is no issues10:11
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone10:11
doko_so would you mind test-building gdk-pixbuf before uploads? we had exactly this build failure before ...10:11
pittidoko_: gdk-pixbuf fails to build?10:11
doko_pitti: all archs10:11
pittioh, from last night10:11
seb128pitti, seems the bug you fixed recently is back10:11
pittiweird, that was fixed upstream10:12
doko_pitti: is somebody subscribed to build failure emails?10:12
pittiI guess it worked on Robert's local build because he had the -dev installed10:12
pittidoko_: the uploader, i. e. Robert10:12
seb128pitti, let me bet, you probably forgot to update the vcs10:12
seb128pitti, it seems your revision was dropped10:12
doko_pitti: I mean, somebody who gets all build failure mails10:13
seb128doko_, you?10:13
doko_like a tech-lead ... ;)10:13
pittiseb128: there is no Vcs-Bzr for gdk-pixbuf, I didn't commit at all10:13
seb128pitti, there is one I guess, ~ubuntu-desktop/gdk-pixbuf/ubuntu10:13
doko_seb128: yes, I am, that's why I'm nagging ;-)10:13
pittiseb128: ah, should be added to debian/control then; sorry10:13
seb128doko_, relax on build issues, they happen and are handled, it's not breaking or blocking anything10:14
pittidoko_: I'm sure Robert will handle it once he gets up10:14
seb128pitti, well I say that but knowing how desktop packages are handled I bet it's in the vcs10:14
pittiseb128: we have some like gvfs which use the new-style one10:14
seb128pitti, it's likely that the control change got dropped because we had a direct sync on debian or something10:14
pittiseb128: anyway, I'll reapply my fix and reupload10:14
seb128pitti, I think gvfs is the only one10:14
seb128pitti, thanks10:14
seb128pitti, but for any desktop source you can try to get lp:~ubuntu-desktop/source/ubuntu first10:15
seb128don't really on control10:15
seb128pitti, btw meeting reminder ;-)10:15
doko_seb128: sorry, I can't relax if it's needed to build gcj/openjdk ...10:16
seb128doko_, well it's likely the current upload didn't count since it built nowhere so for sure the previous version can still be installed?10:17
seb128likely -> like10:17
pittiseb128, doko_: gdk-pixbuf fixed/uploaded10:28
seb128pitti, danke10:28
chrisccoulsonnice, i can dock my laptop again!10:32
seb128hey chrisccoulson10:35
seb128chrisccoulson, how are you?10:35
seb128did you have docking issues?10:35
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i'm good thanks10:35
chrisccoulsonyeah, my laptop crashed when i docked before10:35
chrisccoulsonbut it doesn't now10:35
chrisccoulsonit's a shame that unity is still not usable on a dual-monitor setup :(10:36
seb128due to the menus thing?10:37
seb128pitti, btw not sure you saw my ping before10:38
seb128pitti, it's meeting reminder day10:38
chrisccoulsonseb128 - no, it's worse than that now10:38
chrisccoulsonwhen i click on the bfb, the dash opens on the other screen ;)10:38
chrisccoulsonand when i click on any of the indicators, the menus all open in the top-left corner of the primary screen too10:38
chrisccoulson(rather than next to the indicator i clicked on)10:39
seb128nice ;-)10:39
didrockspitti: if I didn't miss any email, I think seb128 failed at reminding you the team reminder email :)10:40
didrocksoh, seb128 did it :)10:40
* didrocks has no time to follow #ubuntu-desktop, quite scary :/10:41
seb128didrocks, see also 2 minutes before what you just wrote10:42
didrockswhat a reminding reminder? :-)10:42
pittiseb128: I saw it, thanks; will prepare report now and send out10:44
seb128pitti, btw what about the apport one? I let the i386 retracer down on it for now in case you want to make apport robust to it10:45
pittiseb128: ok, I'll have a look afterwards10:45
seb128pitti, we don't especially need it running now, it retracer yesterday and the amd64 is running10:45
seb128so no hurry10:45
pittireminder sent10:49
pittiseb128: crash fixed in trunk, lock removed10:56
seb128pitti, you rock, thanks!10:57
* pitti hugs seb12810:57
* seb128 hugs pitti10:57
* seb128 hugs didrocks as well10:57
seb128great unity work ;-)10:57
* didrocks hugs seb12811:01
pittibtw, is there any trick how I can navigate the dash or places with the keyboard?11:02
didrockspitti: no yet, gord is on it11:02
pittii. e. I type "d-f" (which works now \o/), it finds "d-feet", and I want to run it11:02
pittididrocks: ah, cool11:02
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Sweetsharkpitti: you should find a libreoffice_3.3.1-1ubuntu5_source.changes and a libreoffice-l10n_3.3.1-1ubuntu5_source.changes in 3.3.1-1ubuntu5 on chinstrap11:42
pittiSweetshark: does libreoffice-gtk prefer -human over -tango? (i. e. does human come first in the or?)11:48
pittiSweetshark: both uploaded, thanks!11:49
speakmanseb128: as you probably already figured, adding a 2 sec delay prior to loading gnome-settings-daemon did the trick. Thanks alot!11:50
seb128speakman, you're welcome11:50
seb128speakman, thanks for offering to help debugging the issue11:51
Sweetsharkpitti: it prefers human11:52
speakmanNow I have to figure out why my software RAID0 setup sometimes doesn't work at boot. Any idea what channel to go? :)11:58
seb128not really, #ubuntu-devel11:59
Sweetsharkpitti: I am a bit confused by merges.ubuntu.com. It still talks about libreoffice-1:3.3.0-1ubuntu1 although we are already at 3.3.1-1ubuntu4 (or ubuntu5). Why?12:04
pittiSweetshark: I guess it's badly behind12:04
pittiit's a bit of a step child these days12:04
pittias most people use bzr for merging12:04
Sweetsharkpitti: k12:04
Sweetsharkso my initial assumption that it show stuff only up to 2011-02-11 (judging by the chart at the end) was not that wrong.12:06
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SweetsharkCould you give me a hint where the repo of the openoffice.org-dictionaries package is? I did not find it at openoffice.org-scribblers and there is no Vcs-* entry in the control file. or is there no vcs at all?12:31
pittiSweetshark: we don't have a custom bzr for it12:32
pittiSweetshark: you can use lp:ubuntu/openoffice.org-dictionaries (the auto-imported ones) if you want12:32
Sweetsharkpitti: thanks for the info12:37
Ampelbeinhi guys! I got a crash in unity-window-decorator, bug 730974, which is supposed to be fixed in the version I am using.Should the bug be reopened?12:41
ubot2Launchpad bug 730974 in compiz "unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_window_get_events() (dup-of: 725284)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73097412:41
ubot2Launchpad bug 725284 in compiz "unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_window_get_events()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72528412:41
seb128hey Ampelbein, yes, do you have steps to trigger it?12:44
seb128it should be reopen in any cases, having a way to trigger it would be better though12:44
Ampelbeinseb128: sadly I didn't find a sure way. It seems to have something to do with moving windows to other workspaces, that results in about one third of the cases in the crash12:46
seb128ok, no worry, reopen the bug in any case and write what you figure in a comment12:48
mterrychrisccoulson, what's this about appmenu being broken?12:50
seb128hey mterry12:52
seb128mterry, it's all your fault! ;-)12:52
mterryseb128, doh.  which upload did it?  Is it still broken?12:54
seb128mterry, no, I was just joking ;-)12:56
mterryseb128, don't scare me like that.  ;)12:56
seb128mterry, not sure what you are replying to, but the menus seem to vanish after minimizing dialogs since yesterday libdbusmenu update12:56
seb128mterry, so ti's likely due to ted's fixes for kenvandine's issue12:57
mterrychrisccoulson had messaged me last night when I wasn't around saying that appmenus were broken12:57
seb128ok, that's probably it since that's what he mentioned today12:57
mterryOK, well then I'll go relax in my not-my-fault chair12:57
seb128mterry, the update fixed one of the bugs I assigned to you yesterday btw, I closed it12:58
mterryseb128, I noticed, thanks.12:58
seb128you're welcome12:58
seb128I also confirmed the shotwell issue is still there12:59
seb128so maybe tackle this one next when you get bored of others thing you do12:59
mterry:-/  k12:59
mterrystill investigating alt mnemonics12:59
seb128the yorba guys are doing great work so let's try to keep them happy ;-)12:59
seb128mterry, yeah no hurry, keep going on this one for now13:00
chrisccoulsonmterry - yeah, the panel seems to sometimes discard menus when you minimize windows now13:00
seb128with some luck by the time you are done ted will have fixed some of the other issues ;-)13:00
chrisccoulsonso, you lose the menus when you restore :(13:00
mterrychrisccoulson, pfft, I thought GNOME discovered no one minimizes anyway, right?13:01
pittiSweetshark: argh, armel FTBFS again :(13:09
Sweetsharkpitti: however it seems not to be a LO problem13:25
Sweetsharkpitti: it segfaults on installing ca-certificates13:25
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kenvandinehey seb12813:41
seb128hello kenvandine13:42
kenvandineso yesterday's fix caused more fun :)13:42
seb128kenvandine, you noticed?13:42
kenvandineno... just saw your comments13:43
kenvandineyou said menus go away after minimizing dialogs?13:43
seb128kenvandine, that's what other said, I didn't notice this one myself13:47
kenvandineok, i can't reproduce that13:48
seb128kenvandine, I confirmed shotwell is having issues again though (not due to yesterday update) and gnome-bt is still buggy13:48
kenvandineyeah, i noticed shotwell last night... some of the menus don't become sensitive when they should13:48
seb128it doesn't switch to use the right menus either13:48
seb128like if you click between photos and events or videos13:48
seb128the menus don't follow the categories13:49
seb128empathy has some buggy menu cases as well13:49
kenvandinethe contact menu in the chat window?13:49
seb128kenvandine, right13:50
seb128kenvandine, check the libdbusmenu open bugs if you want, there is a second one, I've assigned them to mterry13:50
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dobeykenvandine: have you seen bug #731023 ? it looks like the unity gir package doesn't have the proper deps or something, so gir1.2-dee-whatever is missing?13:56
ubot2Launchpad bug 731023 in ubuntuone-client "ubuntuone-syncdaemon crashed with ImportError in get_interfaces_for_object(): No module named Dee" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73102313:56
kenvandinedobey, indeed13:57
kenvandinedobey, yeah the unity gir file has types from Dee13:59
kenvandinebut it doesn't have a include13:59
kenvandinedobey, i'll fix that14:00
* bcurtiswx waves to room14:01
seb128hey bcurtiswx14:01
dobeykenvandine: cool, thanks14:01
bcurtiswxhi seb12814:01
dobeythis is what i meant yesterday when i said "pretty much every gir ever is broken" :)14:01
kenvandinedobey, this isn't why syncdaemon broke for me though...14:01
kenvandinei have the dee gir installed :)14:02
dobeykenvandine: sure14:02
kenvandinei missing having working file sync14:02
dobeykenvandine: not entirely sure what is up with your crash yet14:02
bcurtiswxisn't u1sdtool --quit supposed to kill all processes and stop them from automatically respawning?14:12
* bcurtiswx stabs dbus http://paste.ubuntu.com/577473/14:15
bcurtiswxi can't stop u1sd from maxing out my CPU!14:16
bcurtiswxwell, 1 of the 214:16
bcurtiswxi've done --quit as well, still respawns14:16
bcurtiswxtedg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/577473/14:21
tedgbcurtiswx, 1) I'm not the developer you're looking for :)  2) sudo and dbus aren't friends14:22
dobeybcurtiswx: it's probably crashing and something is respawning it, though not sure what14:22
dobeyand yeah, why are you doing sudo?14:22
bcurtiswxi did it with and without, just to see if i got a change (i.e. stopped the daemon from running)14:23
bcurtiswxthat was a paste with14:23
bcurtiswxtedg, dobey thx14:23
dobeybcurtiswx: in 'top' does the pid keep changing?14:23
dobeyi wonder what is continually trying to talk to it in dbus14:24
bcurtiswxfeels like a bad RPG where you kill a zombie but it just keeps coming back :-\14:24
dobeybcurtiswx: is anything else using lots of cpu?14:24
bcurtiswxno, just u1sd14:24
bcurtiswxXorg is next with 3% :P14:25
dobeyshen me niao14:26
dobeybcurtiswx: uninstall ubuntuone-client for the moment i guess?14:27
bcurtiswxbcurtis@wx:~$ u1sdtool --quit | ubuntuone-syncdaemon still running.14:28
dobeybcurtiswx: yes, dbus isn't going to work if it's crashing14:28
bcurtiswxOK, brb14:28
dobeyi wish i knew what was causing it to respawn like that14:29
dobeyanyone seen rodrigo?14:29
Sweetsharkpitti: is there any way to retrigger the armel build?14:34
pittiSweetshark: yes, there is; want me to?14:35
pittiSweetshark: people who can upload a package have a "retry this build" button on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:3.3.1-1ubuntu5/+buildjob/230751414:35
Sweetsharkpitti: i was looking for that button ;).14:36
pittiSweetshark: you can't do it yourself, as long as you aren't an uploader14:36
pittiSweetshark: did you figure out what's wrong with the Java keytool? or do you think it was a spurious failure?14:36
Sweetsharkpitti: please do. Maybe another machine is more lucky with installing the prerequs14:36
pittiSweetshark: done14:37
Sweetsharkpitti: no, i have not investigated into that.14:37
Q-FUNKpitti: don't bug-buddy and apport-gtk essentially compete for the same role on ubuntu?  shouldn't we make apport-gtk Provides and Conflicts with bug-buddy anyhow, just to be safe?14:43
pittiQ-FUNK: they don't conflict package-wise; if you install bug-buddy, GNOME should use this, and only this14:44
pittiI don't want to break the bug-buddy functionality14:44
pitti(and then apport would still be used for all non-gnome packages)14:44
pitti... or bug reports14:44
Q-FUNKpitti: ok. is there some sort of debian alternative used to determine which one will be used?14:46
pittiQ-FUNK: no, as they don't use the same interface AFAIK14:47
pittiat least the last time I looked at it, bug buddy worked in terms of providing a signal handler (more more specifically, some central libgnome something installed the signal handler and calls bug buddy if available)14:47
pittifor apport programs need to actually crash, and the kernel calls apport14:47
Q-FUNKcould apport somehow benefit from the stuff that that library collects?14:48
Q-FUNKbecause here, whenever nm-applet crashes, bug-buddy is called, but then it complains that it cannot collect enough evidence because the debug packages are not installed.14:48
Q-FUNKI would then prefer having apport catch those crashes, but it never launches for some reason14:49
SpamapSso.. unity.. no alt-f2 to run things? what about typing in a command in the search window box thing that pops up when I hit the super key?14:49
pittiSpamapS: Alt+F2 will come back, just not done yet14:51
SpamapSpitti: thats good to know. Is there a way I can run the things that the search does find?14:52
pittiSpamapS: click on it14:52
pittiSpamapS: keyboard navigation will still come as well14:52
SpamapSpitti: good... seems the last 2 things that I'd want to consider moving are in place.. well that and supporting multiple monitors with diff resolutions.14:54
Q-FUNKhmm. actually, apport-gtk also makes gtk complain about a missing gnomesegvhandler14:56
Q-FUNKsilly question, but why is apport-gtk in /usr/share instead of /usr/lib or /usr/bin ?14:56
pittiQ-FUNK: you shouldn't call /usr/share/apport/apport yourself, that's the kernel-side interface15:01
pittiQ-FUNK: apport-gtk/kde as well15:01
Sweetsharkpitti: in 15 minutes we will know if the error was spurious ...15:01
pittiQ-FUNK: the CLI interfaces are ubuntu-bug and apport-retrace15:01
robbiewpitti: do you recall the package that I need to remove to keep Ubuntu one from repeatedly crashing?  gir1..something15:02
Q-FUNKpitti: ok, but how does apport get triggered if at all, these days?  I simply haven't seen any single apport message in the notification area in ages, but bug-buddy regularly pops up.15:02
pittirobbiew: did we talk about that? I don't remember this at all15:02
robbiewpitti: we didn't...just thought you might know :P15:03
pittiQ-FUNK: are you running maverick? it's disabled by default in stable releases (see /etc/default/apport)15:03
robbiewI ran into this before...will chase it down with DX...unity related15:03
pittirobbiew: dobey might be able to help?15:03
Q-FUNKpitti: natty on this host15:03
robbiewKenEdwards: hey...I'm being bombed by U1 crashing repeatedly15:03
pittiQ-FUNK: update-notifier brings up the GUI once there's a crash; do you have something in /var/crash/ ?15:03
robbiewI ran into this before...and needed to remove some gir related package15:03
Q-FUNKpitti: I had until a few minutes ago15:04
seb128robbiew, you shouldn't have to remove any gir15:04
seb128robbiew, if there is a crasher bug we should get it properly reported and fixed15:04
seb128robbiew, do you have details on the crash?15:04
Q-FUNKpitti: seems that update-otifier is not installed here, for some reason. that might explain it.  should apport-gtk Depends on it, then?15:05
seb128Q-FUNK, uninstall bug-buggy15:05
Q-FUNKseb128: yup, did that now15:05
robbiewseb128: well...I'll try...it locks up the machine b/c it repeats so fast...will open today15:06
pittiQ-FUNK: I'd rather avoid it15:06
pittiQ-FUNK: abusing update-notifier is not quite ideal, but we have to do that until we get proper upstart user events15:06
dobeywhat's up?15:06
Q-FUNKpitti: or a Recommends, at least?15:06
seb128robbiew, try to use gdb on it to block it otherwise ;-)15:07
dobeyrobbiew: uninstall gir1.2-unity-3.0 to stop syncdaemon from crashing15:07
robbiewah ha!15:07
robbiewthnx dobey15:07
pittiQ-FUNK: apport doesn't know anything about u-n, nor call it, etc.15:07
dobeyi don't know why it keeps respawning instead of just crashing and burning, but the GIR bits for unity/dee/etc seem to still be fairly problematic :(15:07
* didrocks wonders if it's because the dee gir is finally working than u1 is just having issue15:18
didrocksbefore the override wasn't in the right dir15:18
didrocksso, the import would fail15:18
Sweetsharkpitti: armel failed again, same issue, other machine.15:20
Sweetsharkpitti: seems the setup of ca-certificates-java 20100412 is a currently a sure way to fail.15:22
pittiSweetshark: indeed, that looks like a recent java regression on armel15:22
Sweetsharkpitti: should I file a bug about it, if yes against what? openjdk on arm?15:26
Q-FUNKany way to force apport to send extra info and/or file a new report when testing a developer's possible fix?15:30
dobeypitti: hey15:32
dobeypitti: did you reject my maverick-proposed upload?15:32
pittiSweetshark: please do15:32
pittididrocks: I had to reupload because the source.changes didn't include the previous version15:33
pittisorry, dobey  ^15:33
didrockshum, I was starting to wonder ;)15:33
dobeypitti: oh, weird. how do i make debuild include 2 versions in the .changes?15:34
pittidobey: -S<version in -updates>15:34
dobeyah ok15:34
dobeyi'll try to remember that :)15:37
james_w-v<version in updates> isn't it?15:41
pittierm, of course; sorry15:41
seb128chrisccoulson, can you give specifics about the libdbusmenu issue that started today for you?15:43
dobeypitti, seb128: have you guys seen rodrigo today? or is it a national holiday in .es too?15:50
pittidobey: not that I remember15:50
seb128he's off this week iirc15:50
seb128he said last week he would be on holidays this week15:50
dobeyah so he is15:51
dobeyjust my luck15:51
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pittiback in a bit, will be back in time for the meeting16:06
didrockspitti: is giving the alt + F2 FFe a way to tell "hurry, hurry" :)16:08
vishkenvandine: hi, could you upload humanity from : ~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release/ ?  it just contains bug fixes and icons for the new network indicator..16:08
kenvandinevish, i can take a look16:10
vishcool! thanks..16:10
Q-FUNKdidrocks: you mean that there's such a thing as a firefox accelerator? :D16:22
chrisccoulsonseb128 - do you mean the issue where menus aren't appearing after minimizing a window?16:22
chrisccoulsonbug 684784 is 2 bugs btw16:23
ubot2Launchpad bug 684784 in indicator-application "indicator-applet-appmenu crashed with SIGSEGV in dbusmenu_menuitem_send_about_to_show() (dup-of: 723463)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68478416:23
ubot2Launchpad bug 723463 in indicator-appmenu "indicator-applet-appmenu crashed with SIGSEGV in dbusmenu_menuitem_send_about_to_show()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72346316:23
chrisccoulson1 in unity (which looks like an obvious fix)16:23
chrisccoulsonand 1 is in the indicator-applet too, but i've not yet got to the bottom of that16:23
seb128chrisccoulson, ok, feel free to split them out16:24
seb128chrisccoulson, right, ted says he doesn't get it and it seems to work fine there as well16:25
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i get it quite frequently with firefox, and some people were mentioning it on IRC last night too16:25
seb128could you describe what is the issue exactly?16:25
seb128is that the standard menus missing or the application ones?16:26
seb128chrisccoulson, ?16:27
chrisccoulsonseb128 - after minimizing and restoring firefox, it's menu doesn't appear in the panel any more16:28
chrisccoulson(it doesn't display anywhere)16:28
seb128tedg, ^16:28
Sweetsharkpitti: filed as bug 731397 btw16:28
ubot2Launchpad bug 731397 in openjdk-6 "keytool from openjdk 6b18-1.8.3-1ubuntu3 segfaults on armel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73139716:28
chrisccoulsonif i run unity-panel-service in the console, i see it destroys the firefox menu sometimes when i minimize its window16:28
seb128does anybody get no desktop menus today?16:28
seb128like the default nautilus ones on empty workspaces16:29
seb128there are not there for me it seems16:29
tedgWhat I don't get is why this doesn't happen to me...16:29
jasoncwarnerGood morning everyone16:30
seb128hey jasoncwarner16:30
jasoncwarnerhey seb16:30
chrisccoulsontedg, it only happens to me sometimes16:30
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seb128didrocks, mterry, pitti, kenvandine, chrisccoulson, Riddell: ^16:30
jasoncwarnerpitti didrocks seb128 mterry rodrigo_ sweetshark kenvandine tremolux cyphermox chrisccoulson tkamppeter bryceh riddell ready for meeting?16:30
seb128others as well16:30
tremoluxheya, you bet16:30
* kenvandine waves16:30
Sweetsharkjasoncwarner: thats why the sun is dawning here: It has to make Morning at your place.16:31
seb128jasoncwarner, bryceh is the eastern edition usually16:31
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jasoncwarnerseb128: yeah...true : )16:31
jasoncwarnerok...jumping right in16:31
jasoncwarner[TOPIC] Partner Update16:32
kenvandineFFE: bindwood update for firefox4 still planned16:32
kenvandineFFE: adding ubuntuone-couch to universe16:33
kenvandinewhich is a cli tool for managing couchdb in the cloud16:33
kenvandinehttps://launchpad.net/unity-foundations to replace https://launchpad.net/ayatana-ubuntu16:33
chrisccoulsonwhat else does the bindwood update bring? does it really need a FFe (considering that the current version doesn't work)16:33
chrisccoulson(sorry to interrupt) ;)16:33
kenvandinechrisccoulson, i would consider it a regression16:34
kenvandineso maybe not a ffe16:34
kenvandineno features16:34
kenvandinei have confirmed that16:34
chrisccoulsoncool, so we should just upload that then16:34
kenvandineso FYI on the LP restructuring there, new name unity-foundations16:34
kenvandineFFE: indicator-datetime, browsing calendar widget should update appointments16:35
didrocks(same for all dx, new names in fact)16:35
kenvandinestill planned, but not ready yet16:35
kenvandineoverlay scrollbar16:35
kenvandineseb128 to review the gtk patch for possible ffe bug 73074016:36
ubot2Launchpad bug 730740 in gtk+2.0 "Provide support for dynamically loading the new overlay scrollbar feature" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73074016:36
kenvandinenote: this doesn't include the overlay scrollbar module itself16:36
seb128did comment on that one yesterday16:36
seb128the patch itself shouldn't be a real issue if we want to take it but it's an hack and it doesn't seem have a strong rational16:36
didrocksalso, meanwhile, can you please ping me when you are updating gtk in natty? I got a bunch of emails this morning from people telling my overlay package in the ppa was broken :/16:36
seb128didrocks, that's not going to work accross people uploading gtk, subscribe to natty-changes and set up a filter for gtk uploads ;-)16:37
didrockswell, I would prefer someone volonteering for the overlay maintaince :)16:38
didrocksor doing the upload in the ppa16:38
pittithe new scroll bars are a bit of a "surprise" to say the least16:38
seb128talk to dx16:38
kenvandineright, i suspect plenty of conversations to have still16:38
pittiI had assumed we already have enough to do with stabilizing unity?16:38
kenvandinepitti, indeed16:38
didrocksyeah, I have enough with unity myself :)16:38
didrockshence the call for "if someone can handle it, would be nice"16:39
didrocksthe packaging is done, should be a matter of updates and rebase patches…16:39
seb128drop it on dx, it's their job ;-)16:39
kenvandineif we did get the gtk patch in, it would simplify the maintainence in the ppa at least16:39
didrocksseb128: you know it's not working like that…16:39
seb128I'm not especialled thrilled to ship gtk hacks in ubuntu just to make ppa work easier16:39
kenvandinedidrocks, he knows :)16:39
kenvandineseb128, understand16:40
didrockswell, ok, I'll do it again then :/16:40
kenvandinethat is all i have, we can surely discuss the gtk end of this outside of the meeting16:41
jasoncwarnerkenvandine: :) I think parner update was more lively than usuaL!16:41
kenvandinehehe :)16:42
jasoncwarner[TOPIC] Unity16:42
didrocksso, as usual, everything is detailed in the wiki :)16:42
didrocksmain hilights are:16:43
didrocks- slowly switching in bug fixing mode16:43
didrocks- latest release should already bring better stability16:43
didrocks- next release a little bit earlier due to launchpad rollout16:43
didrocks- also, some FFe will probably be required (see wiki)16:44
didrocks(I heard also that Alt + F2 will be back either this week or next one, depends on two pieces :))16:44
seb128\o/ ;-)16:45
seb128(though I'm still running a gnome-panel so I'm ok with it being late ;-)16:45
pitti(and I want my time-indicator back..)16:45
pitti(and a pony)16:45
Q-FUNK(un chauson avec ça?)16:46
didrockspitti: time-indicator?16:46
pittididrocks: it's totally empty right now16:46
didrockspitti: oh, not for me :) that's more on the fundation part I think16:47
mterrypitti, good job on still making the meeting on time  :)16:47
didrocksso yeah, all details on the wiki for past and future troubles ;) that's it for me!16:48
jasoncwarnerthanks, didrocks!16:48
jasoncwarner[TOPIC] Software Center16:48
tremoluxok, so details on the wiki, and highlights:16:48
tremolux* The ratings and reviews "usefulness" feature has been rolled out for Alpha 316:48
tremolux* Nice improvements to the details view; cleaner layout and much faster rendering16:48
tremoluxso, everybody please vote for your favorite reviews (and reviewers)  ;)16:48
* tremolux always pluses mterry reviews by policy16:49
pitti/msg tremolux how much does he pay per plus?16:49
tremoluxpitti: shhh!  secret16:49
mterryI fix a deja-dup bug for him16:49
Q-FUNKah, that seems like a potent source of financing. /me notes16:50
tremoluxhaha  :D16:50
seb128pitti, do you have a calendar you didn't authentificate to?16:50
jasoncwarner[TOPIC] Kubuntu16:52
jasoncwarnerRiddell: ? ^16:52
RiddellI'm not here I'm afraid, I'm at conf.kde.in16:52
RiddellKubuntu is all good as far as I know, the ARM issue with GCC and Qt is being looked into, I think we need to do some tests for doko16:53
Riddelllast week's alpha was fine except on ARM and kubuntu mobile needs a launchpad change to work again16:54
jasoncwarnerthanks, Riddell16:56
jasoncwarner[TOPIC] Tools and Processes16:56
jasoncwarnerpitti, anything you wanted to talk about?16:56
pittinot from me16:57
pittiI'm not quite sure what this regular section is about, TBH16:57
pittiif we have something new, we should put it on the agenda16:57
jasoncwarnerpitti: sure thing.16:58
jasoncwarnerwell then, last topic would be16:58
Sweetsharkshould LO be a regular section? currently i am just dumping my stuff in the weekly summary.16:58
jasoncwarnerSweetshark: we can talk after meeting...so far it seems to work the way it is.17:00
jasoncwarner[TOPIC] AOB?17:00
jasoncwarnerok, sounds good!17:02
jasoncwarner[END MEETING]17:02
jasoncwarnerhope everyone has a great day.17:02
didrocksthanks, you too17:02
pittithanks everyone17:02
Q-FUNKI'd have a couple of questions about Google account integration in Evo.  currently, calendar and e-mail accounts have to be added separately. IIRC there's an upstream bug about it, but no response.17:03
tremoluxthanks, see y'all17:03
* Sweetshark is off for a LO meeting for a few minutes.17:03
Sweetsharkdidrocks: as you seem to be compiling a list of "most annoying compiz issues" I would like to propose bug 606558, which is nasty in every way. I am in a conf call starting 17:00UTC. Will you be around for a few more minutes?17:03
ubot2Launchpad bug 606558 in openoffice.org "Switching user while Compiz enabled makes OpenOffice.org crawl (extremely slow scrolling)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60655817:03
didrocksSweetshark: sure, this one should be discussed with smspillaz to be able to get enough info for debugging17:04
pittichrisccoulson: lp:~pitti/po2xpi/fix-update-data updated; can you please pull into lp:~mozillateam/po2xpi/trunk ?17:04
chrisccoulsonpitti - sure, just doing that now17:07
pittichrisccoulson: oh, and perhaps you could upgrade that to 2a afterwards17:07
pittichrisccoulson: nice, thanks17:07
* pitti turns the crank to build fresh natty langpacks17:07
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mterryseb128, btw, I never did get a response from Design about the no-custom-default-app possible regression...17:25
seb128mpt, hey17:25
seb128mpt, is there any chance you would reply to mterry's email?17:25
mterrympt, titled "Preferred Applications"17:25
* mpt reads17:26
mptmterry, that looks like a regression to me17:26
mterrympt, k, thanks17:27
mptmterry, I guess they got rid of it because the text field is ugly, but it could be moved into a secondary dialog that opens when you choose "Other..."17:27
mterryseb128, so we should do something about a custom field.  either go back and patch glib or create a custom-field editor...17:28
seb128mterry, I'm tempted to say it's enough of a corner case and that it's lower issue than other bugs and unity17:29
mptmterry, if it was nicely buried, Gnome might even accept it upstream :-)17:29
mterrympt, while I have you here, I had asked a few questions about indicator-datetime a while back.  Specifically about showing the current timezone in the list of locations.  In emails with the titles "DateTime configuration dialog"17:29
mterrympt, :)17:29
mptmterry, I need to go right now, but remind me tomorrow and I'll do you some sketches17:31
mterrympt, sure, np17:31
seb128mterry, ok so what do you think?17:38
seb128I don't like much reverting the glib and gvfs code, seems we should move things forward rather17:38
seb128it's likely than having common browsers and email clients there should be fine for 99% of the users17:38
seb128even if it costs on day of hacking to add back the option it also feels like that day should be better spent fixing indicator or unity issues17:39
seb128that's my view on the issue17:39
seb128pitti, kenvandine, chrisccoulson: ^ opinions?17:39
mterryseb128, fair17:40
* kenvandine agrees17:40
mterryseb128, plus, ideally it would be coordinated with upstream, which might take a bit of time17:40
seb128so just document the way to do that manually with a text editor17:40
seb128pitti, btw there is a start of shotwell mir bug on launchpad with the news summary17:48
pittiseb128: no strong opinion, but I agree about the "forward is better than patchhing backwrds"17:48
seb128pitti, do you think we could move that on so robert_ancell just has to do the update later on?17:48
pittiseb128: you mean check the package for MIR? I can't ack it any more, but I can certainly help out with reviews17:49
pittistill fighting with langpacks ATM (there was one bug left that I overlooked)17:49
seb128pitti, sorry I'm tired mir -> ffe17:49
seb128it's the 0.8 to 0.8.90 update17:49
bdrungwhat component's fault can it be if audacity has problems when running Unity, but works great with the classic desktop (bug #731451)?17:50
ubot2Launchpad bug 731451 in audacity "audacity not working in Ubuntu 11.04 Alpha3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73145117:50
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* mterry has to head out for an errand, bbl18:00
seb128mterry, see you18:00
Sweetsharkdoko: ping?18:12
dokoSweetshark: ?18:13
pittigood night everyone18:15
Sweetsharkdoko: Any objections to invite penalver to the libreoffice packaging group? He seems to be doing alot of great bugmangling for OOo/LO.18:15
Sweetsharkpitti: n818:15
Sweetshark^- sneaking a little german in here that looks like innocent english18:16
dokoSweetshark: your decision18:18
Sweetsharkdoko: Thanks. I will have a talk with him on irc.18:19
micahgSweetshark: just keep in mind that team membership gives PPA upload rights18:22
Sweetsharkmicahg: k, I will check the guy out. Its just that he does real awesome work on bugwrangling LO bugs, could be good to connect with him.18:26
micahgSweetshark: yep, I've set a few bugs' importance for him18:28
dokoSweetshark: just agree on "no-uploads" then18:29
* Sweetshark tries to get to chat with him a bit on IRC first. And yes, agreeing on "no-upload" would be agood idea too.18:30
chrisccoulsonb'ah, i'm being thrown off track by another bug in dbusmenu18:33
kenvandinechrisccoulson,  not more dbusmenu bugs!18:42
chrisccoulsonkenvandine, oh yes18:43
chrisccoulsonkenvandine, i've been investigating bug 723463, and have written a little python app which just randomly adds and removes menus18:43
ubot2Launchpad bug 723463 in indicator-appmenu "indicator-applet-appmenu crashed with SIGSEGV in dbusmenu_menuitem_send_about_to_show()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72346318:43
chrisccoulsonand i've been trying to figure out why menus aren't getting removed when the app removes them, which i thought was related to this bug18:44
chrisccoulsonbut it turns out that it might be a red-herring, as the stale menus is actually happeining on the application side :(18:44
chrisccoulsonif i run dbus-monitor and have my application remove a menu, nothing happens on the bus ;)18:45
chrisccoulson(not until i add a menu later on)18:45
kenvandineso i saw something similar in appindicator18:45
kenvandineprobably the same underlying bug18:46
seb128mterry, you should wait on chrisccoulson to be done on his bugs before starting investigating the ones I assigned to you18:49
seb128it seems tackling some of those could fix other issues18:49
seb128chrisccoulson, thanks for working on those!18:49
didrocksmvo: is there an easy way to try some Xapian requests to see if my added tags work?19:04
mvodidrocks: there is tests/test_xapian.py for some example code19:12
didrocksmvo: nice! thanks, I'll look at that :)19:12
mvodidrocks: it should be straightforward or send me a mail with the tag and I add some test code19:13
mvodidrocks: (but probably tomorrow :/19:13
didrocksmvo: sure, I'm heading off as well. I'm adding some tag in memory in act, not in the xapian database, for now (the (basename(Exec)) key for alt + F2, but we can discuss that tomorrow!19:14
didrockss/in act/in fact19:14
mvodidrocks: alt-f2!!!19:15
didrocksyeah ;)19:16
mvothen you have my total support19:16
didrockshow easy it is!19:16
* didrocks waves goodbye19:18
* mterry is back19:18
janimoSweetshark, hello, I retried the failed LibO arm build, it may have been caused by errors on the servers independent of packaging. Now it is past the initial error location19:24
janimodoko, ^19:25
Sweetsharkjanimo: ah, cool! And hopefully it has not died yet for other (more valid) reasons?19:28
dokojanimo, Sweetshark: expected, I uploaded eglibc too early. the buildd's need a fixed lucid kernel19:29
janimoSweetshark, it was a segfault whle installing Java dependencies, so not a valid reason :)19:46
janimoSweetshark, see the arm asm patch is dropped, but did not look at the sources. Is the gcc __sync alternative that is in LibO master used? If not that may need to be picked, otherwise that code uses pthreads and that is suboptimal19:47
Sweetsharkjanimo: there is no patch applied at all on natty, only for the maverick and lucid backports.19:49
janimoSweetshark, ok. I see19:49
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vishkenvandine: if you havent uploaded humanity yet, i'd like to push another bug fix.. :)20:00
vishcool!, on it..20:01
kenvandinevish, i won't get to it today...20:01
kenvandineso you have time20:01
vishok, i'll just push the change today though20:01
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* bryceh_ waves21:00
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vishkenvandine: ~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release/ is good to upload when you are free ;)21:17
vishthanks. :)21:17
kenvandinedobey, i have fixes for both of those syncdaemon crashers21:45
kenvandinebug 73092921:45
ubot2Launchpad bug 730929 in ubuntuone-client "ubuntuone-syncdaemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_typelib_get_dir_entry_by_gtype()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73092921:45
kenvandineand bug 73102321:45
achianghello, is there an alternative mixer that can sit in the systray for the case where you have removed pulseaudio from the system (and thus do not have indicator-sound anymore) ?21:45
ubot2Launchpad bug 731023 in libunity "ubuntuone-syncdaemon crashed with ImportError in get_interfaces_for_object(): No module named Dee" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73102321:45
dobeykenvandine: your issue was a bug in dee too?21:46
kenvandinedee and libunity21:47
* kenvandine grumbles about gir21:47
dobeyand everything actually works after that?21:47
dobeyok, cool21:48
dobeyi pushed an update to u1client which just Conflicts: gir1.2-unity-3.0 for now, but i will change that back when your new packages are in the archive21:48
dobeyas i begin to try and clean up libubuntuone's insanity21:50
kenvandinedobey, the frustrating thing is i spent time trying to figure out why my fix wasn't working... didn't realize the unity gir is in the dist, so not generated at build21:51
achiangTheMuso: any clues? is there an alternative mixer that can sit in the systray for the case where you have removed pulseaudio from the system (and thus do not have indicator-sound anymore) ?21:53
dobeyall this gir stuff has almost tempted me to just write C instead of vala :(21:53
TheMusoachiang: There is the legacy gnome-volume-control stuff, but I don't think that gets packaged any more. Take a look at gnome-media.21:53
TheMusoByt that is not an indicator.21:54
TheMusoachiang: And why the removal of pulse?21:54
achiangTheMuso: a legacy systray app is good enough for my purposes21:54
achiangTheMuso: we are having a devil of a time getting pulse working on a freescale imx51 board21:54
achiangTheMuso: this is for a lucid project anyway21:55
TheMusoah ok.21:55
achiangTheMuso: do you know of any known issues with pulse and armel?21:56
TheMusoachiang: WIth pulse from lucid, no.21:56
jasoncwarnerrobert_ancell TheMuso Bryceh RAOF21:59
jasoncwarneryou guys ready?21:59
robert_ancelljasoncwarner, yup21:59
jasoncwarnermorning everyone!22:00
jasoncwarner[TOPIC] X22:00
bryceh_we've just posted mesa 7.10.122:00
RAOFAh, you've uploaded that?  Awesome :)22:00
bryceh_an xserver bump is in the works and will be out within the week, it's mostly just making sure the driver situation is sane22:01
bryceh_RAOF, in fact wanted to ask - is the driver situation sane enough we could do xserver right now?  anything we're waiting on still?22:01
jasoncwarnerbryceh_: learning from my last experience with an x upgrade .... are we going to have 3d for it ;) (sarcasm, but just expect to get that question going forward! :) )22:02
bryceh_RAOF, yeah re: mesa, I played with it a bit this morning and didn't spot anything bad so went ahead and dropped it in a little bit ago22:02
RAOFI was only waiting for nvidia and fglrx to catch up - have they?22:02
bryceh_jasoncwarner, indeed that's exactly the reason we've been delaying updating it so far22:02
robert_ancellRAOF, can I haz alt-tab now?22:02
RAOFrobert_ancell: You should have haz alt-tab for a number of weeks - don't you?22:03
bryceh_-nvidia should be right?  With -fglrx <mumble mumble> but I gather it doesn't matter since we don't have a functioning -fglrx driver with the interim abi22:03
TheMusorobert_ancell: Should be fine with recent cards, I am using compiz with gnome now and having no problems.22:03
bryceh_robert_ancell, yeah that's fixed since some time ago22:03
bryceh_or, at least the alt-tab bug I was working on a while ago is now fixed. ;-)22:04
RAOFs/fixed/worked around by using a driver upstream doesn't say “why are you touching the classic driver”/22:04
* robert_ancell alt-tabs.... and is still here!22:04
jasoncwarnerrobert_ancell: small victories ;)22:05
robert_ancellI'm just getting the window not redrawing bugs now (seemed to start a week ago or so)22:05
bryceh_ok, in other news the wayland update I mentioned last meeting has gone in, so we're "done" with wayland for natty.22:05
jasoncwarnerok, any other x news?22:06
bryceh_nope, pretty much at this point I'm entirely focusing on bugs.  RAOF, you?22:06
jasoncwarner[TOPIC] AOB?22:07
RAOFPatches have been posted upstream for the residual graphics corruption on early gen3 (think i915) chips.22:07
RAOFIf you're experiencing that bug, try the intel-drm-next kernel from the mainline builds.22:07
bryceh_oh, speaking of freezes, I've also updated the -intel apport hook to hopefully dupe these bugs a bit more smartly22:08
TheMusoI hope the big crashing issues with the ubuntuone stack are known.22:08
bryceh_TheMuso, X crashing?22:08
TheMusoI had to delete the launcher desktop file from /etc/xdg/autostart for now, as I couldn't use myd esktop with constant apport hooks coming up.22:08
TheMusobryceh_: Not X, ubuntuone related.22:09
bryceh_TheMuso, haven't seen reports of a ubuntuone / X crash issue22:09
RAOFTheMuso: Yeah, that's known, and I think worked around in the most recent update?22:09
* TheMuso is referring to AOB, but its not really meeting related, just wondered if anybody had hit that.22:09
RAOFbug 73102322:09
TheMusoRAOF: I saw ubuntuone related changes from overnight, but haven't updated yet.22:09
ubot2Launchpad bug 731023 in libunity "ubuntuone-syncdaemon crashed with ImportError in get_interfaces_for_object(): No module named Dee" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73102322:09
bryceh_I noticed in software center you can vote for reviews as many times as you wish.  ;-)22:10
TheMusoHrm interesting. I am still using GNOME here.22:10
RAOFThat's what you're hitting.22:10
TheMusoi.e GNOME panel/22:10
TheMusoOk will update ASAP then.22:10
RAOFIt's probably seeing if it can connect to unity, so would do so in regular GNOME too?  Dunno, maybe you're seeing a different bug?22:10
kenvandinedobey, libunity and dee uploaded22:10
kenvandineTheMuso, i just uploaded fixes for that ubuntuone crasher22:12
TheMusokenvandine: Ok sweet, will wait till they have been published then.22:12
jasoncwarnerkenvandine: awsome...was getting annoying! ;)22:12
jasoncwarnerOk...anything else? otherwise...22:12
bryceh_jasoncwarner, how has the unity feedback been going?22:12
ricotzgilir, hi22:12
jasoncwarnerbryceh_: as you might expect...mixed22:13
jasoncwarnerthere is actually quite a bit of love, some hate...but alot of middle ground.22:13
gilirhi ricotz22:13
jasoncwarnerseems people can see the good through the rough edges, which is encouraging.22:13
* TheMuso winces at the slowness of wireless 2.4gHz. My area's 2.4gHz spectrum si congested waaay to much atm, can see 16 APs, including my own.22:14
kenvandineTheMuso, the fixes are in libunity and libdee22:14
ricotzgilir, perhaps you have time for this https://launchpad.net/elementaryicons/2.0/2.7 :-)22:14
jasoncwarnerOk...if nothing else, thanks everyone!22:14
jasoncwarner[END MEETING]22:14
ricotzoh, sorry for interfering with the meeting22:15
bryceh_jasoncwarner, yeah shame we don't have another 6 months to polish, it seems most issues that I've seen are just basic usability things which probably aren't that hard to fix, just time consuming22:15
dobeykenvandine: great, thanks!22:15
bryceh_like...  this morning for the life of me couldn't figure out how to get to the control center or configuration tools, had to run gnome-control-center from the command line.  Little stuff like that.22:16
gilirricotz, is there a changelog since the last one release ? To be sure it's bug fix only :)22:16
jasoncwarnerbryceh_: that should be fixed very soon...that was something I noticed as well.22:17
jasoncwarnerbut, yeah.22:17
jasoncwarnerfor sure, Natty is going to be fun, but we'll be polishing for 11.1022:17
jasoncwarner11.10 should be very, very nice!22:17
ricotzgilir, yes, it has some greater changes, so it is not quite a bug-fix-only thing, but it is worth a FFe22:19
RAOFHas anyone else found that they sometimes log in to an entirely blank desktop?22:23
bryceh_RAOF, like, jus tshowing the background image?22:23
bryceh_or a black blank screen?22:23
RAOFJust showing the background image.22:24
RAOFAnd if you attach gdb to things everything seems to be waiting for everything else.22:24
bryceh_unity --reset I think is the workaround22:24
bryceh_actually I've not seen that as much lately as I used to, but it seemed to occur 1-2 times every 3 boots22:25
bryceh_on my i94522:25
RAOFI was rather hoping to actually fix it :)22:26
bryceh_RAOF, that would be lovely of course22:26
gilirricotz, please open the FFe request, so we can discuss this in the bug report22:26
bryceh_RAOF, unity has a few debug options that might be more helpful than gdb in this case22:26
bryceh_(--verbose and --advanced-debug)22:26
ricotzgilir, ok22:27
gilirricotz, lubuntu and xubuntu depend on it, so we need to see the changes before uploading it22:27
ricotzgilir, will do this tomorrow22:28
charlie-tcaI been using Alt+sysRq+k to reset my desktop and it logs in correctly then second time22:28
tkamppeterjasoncwarner, hi22:46
hallynis this an ok place to ask questions relating to our X stack?22:49
chrisccoulsonw00t, fixed a dbusmenu bug and now have a reproducer for bug 72346322:49
ubot2Launchpad bug 723463 in indicator-appmenu "indicator-applet-appmenu crashed with SIGSEGV in dbusmenu_menuitem_send_about_to_show()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72346322:49
hallynwhen trying to compile open-vm-tools from source, I get failure due to:22:50
hallyn/usr/include/X11/Xdefs.h:47:13: error: conflicting types for 'Bool'22:51
hallynSince it is in the archive I assume that that used to successfully compile, hence Xdefs.h must have changed22:52
hallynhm but it hasn't22:55
Ampelbeinhallyn: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3118268&group_id=204462&atid=98970822:56
ubot2Ampelbein: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Sourceforge instance at 0x9917eec> bug 3118268 not found22:56
hallynAmpelbein: thanks!22:57
Ampelbeinhallyn: no problem. ;-)22:57
chrisccoulsonhallyn, it's generally easier for us to help if you post the full error ;)22:57
hallynchrisccoulson: makes sense :)  I was  rather assuming that I there was a well-known change in X stack that would be obvious to everyone.  I was very wrong.22:59
chrisccoulsonkenvandine, this might fix some menu weirdness: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/dbusmenu/set-cached-menuitem/+merge/5262423:10
chrisccoulsonthat's what is causing my "menu items don't get removed" issue that i've been seeing here today23:11
chrisccoulsonit fixes bug 729128 too23:15
ubot2Launchpad bug 729128 in indicator-application "gnome-bt "visible" item toggle not working after turning bt off and on" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72912823:15

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