[00:34] <chrisccoulson> mterry - have you updated your machine today?
[00:34] <chrisccoulson> the appmenu is totally broken :(
[03:30] <kklimonda>   1.0 GiB + 936.0 KiB =   1.0 GiBcompiz
[03:30] <kklimonda> oh joy :D
[03:50] <RAOF> And that probably doesn't even take into account the memory taken up by the textures in the pseudo-VRAM your intel card uses :)
[03:52] <kklimonda> RAOF: I use nvidia
[06:55]  * achiang thinks it would be nice if gnome-terminal had some magic to make (LP: #xxxxxx) clickable, and DTRT in your browser
[07:37] <didrocks> good morning
[07:44] <pitti> Good morning
[08:23] <Sweetshark> Morning all!
[08:23] <pitti> hey Sweetshark, guten Morgen
[08:24] <pitti> wie gehts/
[08:24] <pitti> ?
[08:25] <Sweetshark> gut danke! (nur damit dass mit dem franzoesisch auf #ubuntu-desktop nicht zur fixen idee wird)
[08:25] <pitti> +1
[08:25] <pitti> je ne parlez-pas francais
[08:27] <Sweetshark> I had a chat with _rene_ yesterday. He said he does not intend to release a 3.3.2rc1 at all. So I guess we should upload the 3.3.1 final we have now to natty main.
[08:27] <pitti> Sweetshark: "make it so"
[08:28] <pitti> Sweetshark: that now built for arm, and -l10n as well, right?
[08:28] <didrocks> hey pitti, Sweetshark (almost one hour without looking at IRC, new record! \o/)
[08:29] <Sweetshark> pitti: doko reported it to build on arm. I had a l10n build in my ppa, so it should be good.
[08:29] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:29] <pitti> Sweetshark: rocking
[08:29] <pitti> Sweetshark: want me to sponsor from the PPA, or from chinstrap?
[08:29] <Sweetshark> didrocks: Heya!
[08:30] <Sweetshark> pitti: from chinstrap. The versioning in the ppa was fubared.
[08:31] <pitti> mvo: hm, you said that you updated the bugs for the maverick SRU upload? All three of bug 665218, bug 665572, and bug 665722 are still incomplete upstream and unfixed in natty
[08:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 665218 in aptdaemon "Software-center reports a progamming error in aptdaemon but without any details" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/665218
[08:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 665572 in aptdaemon "Unhandlable programming error (LockFailedError) - lock.status_lock doesn't contain a valid path" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/665572
[08:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 665722 in aptdaemon "VirtualBox installation fails" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/665722
[08:32] <mvo> pitti: right, the patch adds more information to the code (capture the errors better). the bugs itself are unfixed still, but without the additional info there is no way to get them fixed
[08:36] <pitti> mvo: ah, I see
[08:36] <pitti> mvo: so the maverick bugs shouldn't be closed with this as well
[08:40] <mvo> yeah, I will reopen them
[09:07]  * pitti goes to merge poppler; that'll take a bit
[09:08] <pitti> Sweetshark: you'll poke me once the new OO.o is on chinstrap?
[09:12] <seb128> pitti, do you have any clue about the error in the i386 retracer log?
[09:12] <pitti> seb128: the same "big wadl dump" one?
[09:13] <speakman> hi dev folks! This is the second computer having problem with gnome-session-daemon hanging (or dysfunction) on login. If you could tell me who to speak to, I can help tracing this bug as it hits every single time I log in.
[09:13] <seb128> pitti, no a bad argument in a gzip call
[09:13] <seb128> speakman, hi, there is no gnome-session-daemon
[09:13] <seb128> speakman, there is gnome-session or gnome-settings-daemon
[09:13] <pitti> seb128: sounds like broken core dump
[09:13] <speakman> ooops
[09:14] <seb128> the first handle your session the second your settings
[09:14] <speakman> gnome-settings-daemon was it :D
[09:14] <pitti> seb128: new poppler is an ABI bump unfortunately :/
[09:14] <pitti> but oh well, we had these before
[09:14] <seb128> pitti, to change...
[09:14] <seb128> it's like every second poppler update has one
[09:14] <seb128> speakman, how does it hang? are you sure it hangs and doesn't crash or exit?
[09:15] <speakman> I'm a developer myself, but totalt new to gnome. But I thought I could help fix this issue since it's hitting me every time I log in.
[09:16] <speakman> seb128: According to the full backtrace, it doesn't actually hang (it's resting on poll()) but killing it with SIGKILL (SIGTERM doesn't do anything) and restarting it at least get me my desktop apperance back.
[09:16] <seb128> seems what you describe is it running
[09:16] <seb128> can you copy your .xsession-errors somewhere?
[09:16] <speakman> It is probably. It's just not doing it's job :D
[09:17] <speakman> seb128: absolutely!
[09:17] <speakman> http://pastebin.com/45Z2R8dM
[09:18] <speakman> This is my xorg.conf as well; http://pastebin.com/Z0xXPqVu
[09:19] <speakman> (I'm on dual GPU with four monitors, but this happens on a single GPU single monitor computer as well. With very little in common with my computer)
[09:20] <seb128> speakman, the warning about randr not being available is weird
[09:20] <speakman> ok?
[09:20] <seb128> xrandr is pretty standard nowadays
[09:20] <speakman> Oh, look at my xorg.conf
[09:20] <speakman> It doesn't play well with Xmonad IIRC
[09:20] <speakman> But still, it happens on the other single monitor non-Xmonad computer as well, so :)
[09:20] <seb128> hum
[09:21] <seb128> do you have modern computers there?
[09:21] <speakman> I -think- you can ignore that error
[09:21] <speakman> seb128: pretty much
[09:21] <seb128> there is a known race between the gdm and the session gnome-settings-daemon
[09:21] <speakman> seb128: Xeon W3680 / 24GB DDR3 1333MHz / 2xOCZ Vertex 2 SSD in RAID0
[09:22] <speakman> what's common with the other computer having the same issue is SSD's
[09:22] <seb128> bug #639913
[09:22] <speakman> (I've never, through my many many years with Ubuntu, seen this before. Not even on many Maverick installations)
[09:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 639913 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon random crash at session start (xorg badmatch error)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/639913
[09:22] <seb128> ups
[09:22] <speakman> hm?
[09:23] <seb128> wait
[09:23] <seb128> that's the wrong number
[09:23] <speakman> :)
[09:25] <speakman> For the record; Both computers experiencing this issue is entirely new and had Maverick installed from scratch.
[09:25] <seb128> bug #649809
[09:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 649809 in gdm "the session settings manager can try starting before the login screen one exits" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/649809
[09:25] <speakman> It has been an issue since the first login. On both machines.
[09:25] <seb128> speakman, ^ I think that's your issue
[09:26] <seb128> speakman, you can try the sleep workaround from comment #68 if you want
[09:28] <speakman> Thanks, I'm just reading through the comments...
[09:29] <seb128> speakman, there is quite some "noise" from before we figured what was the issue
[09:29] <glatzor> morning mvo, are there any plans to get multi arch to python-apt?
[09:29] <speakman> Has it anything to do with the fast HDD's? Because I'm (2xVertex 2 in RAID0) experiencing it all the time, and my mates (LVM'd OCZ RevoDrive) experienceing it randomly.
[09:30] <seb128> speakman, yes, it's mostly a race, if your system loads the session g-s-d before the login one has exited you get the issue
[09:30] <seb128> where io is most of the loading work
[09:30] <speakman> seb128: that's probably it then.
[09:31] <seb128> speakman, you can try the sleep 1 workaround to see if that "fixes" it
[09:31] <seb128> if that does it's clearly that race
[09:31] <seb128> it will be fixed for natty
[09:31] <speakman> seb128: just have to say, the Vertex 2 is some extremely fast disks. And two in RAID0 makes about 600MB/s random 4k both reads and writes :)
[09:31]  * speakman soon at #68 :D
[09:32] <speakman> But while reading; Do you have any idea how to tell GDM on which monitor it should show the login screen?
[09:33] <seb128> I think it uses the "primary" monitor
[09:33] <seb128> you can probably define in xorg which one that is
[09:33] <speakman> ok, thanks :)
[10:07] <seb128> pitti, so this retracer gzip crash, should apport be robust to such issues?
[10:07] <seb128> i.e do you want to keep that buggy retracing as a test and fix the issue?
[10:10] <doko_> seb128, pitti: so new gnomish upstream versions (and build failures like gdk-pixbuf) are ongoing. any idea when this will slow down?
[10:10] <seb128> doko_, it will not
[10:10] <seb128> doko_, stack libraries got updates every second weeks
[10:11] <seb128> those are minor updates, out of transition arch all,any mismatches there is no issues
[10:11] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[10:11] <doko_> so would you mind test-building gdk-pixbuf before uploads? we had exactly this build failure before ...
[10:11] <pitti> doko_: gdk-pixbuf fails to build?
[10:11] <doko_> pitti: all archs
[10:11] <pitti> oh, from last night
[10:11] <seb128> pitti, seems the bug you fixed recently is back
[10:12] <pitti> weird, that was fixed upstream
[10:12] <doko_> pitti: is somebody subscribed to build failure emails?
[10:12] <pitti> I guess it worked on Robert's local build because he had the -dev installed
[10:12] <pitti> doko_: the uploader, i. e. Robert
[10:12] <seb128> pitti, let me bet, you probably forgot to update the vcs
[10:12] <seb128> pitti, it seems your revision was dropped
[10:13] <doko_> pitti: I mean, somebody who gets all build failure mails
[10:13] <seb128> doko_, you?
[10:13] <doko_> like a tech-lead ... ;)
[10:13] <pitti> seb128: there is no Vcs-Bzr for gdk-pixbuf, I didn't commit at all
[10:13] <seb128> pitti, there is one I guess, ~ubuntu-desktop/gdk-pixbuf/ubuntu
[10:13] <doko_> seb128: yes, I am, that's why I'm nagging ;-)
[10:13] <pitti> seb128: ah, should be added to debian/control then; sorry
[10:14] <seb128> doko_, relax on build issues, they happen and are handled, it's not breaking or blocking anything
[10:14] <pitti> doko_: I'm sure Robert will handle it once he gets up
[10:14] <seb128> pitti, well I say that but knowing how desktop packages are handled I bet it's in the vcs
[10:14] <pitti> seb128: we have some like gvfs which use the new-style one
[10:14] <seb128> pitti, it's likely that the control change got dropped because we had a direct sync on debian or something
[10:14] <pitti> seb128: anyway, I'll reapply my fix and reupload
[10:14] <seb128> pitti, I think gvfs is the only one
[10:14] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[10:15] <seb128> pitti, but for any desktop source you can try to get lp:~ubuntu-desktop/source/ubuntu first
[10:15] <seb128> don't really on control
[10:15] <seb128> rely
[10:15] <seb128> pitti, btw meeting reminder ;-)
[10:16] <doko_> seb128: sorry, I can't relax if it's needed to build gcj/openjdk ...
[10:17] <seb128> doko_, well it's likely the current upload didn't count since it built nowhere so for sure the previous version can still be installed?
[10:17] <seb128> likely -> like
[10:28] <pitti> seb128, doko_: gdk-pixbuf fixed/uploaded
[10:28] <seb128> pitti, danke
[10:32] <chrisccoulson> nice, i can dock my laptop again!
[10:35] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[10:35] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how are you?
[10:35] <seb128> did you have docking issues?
[10:35] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i'm good thanks
[10:35] <chrisccoulson> yeah, my laptop crashed when i docked before
[10:35] <chrisccoulson> but it doesn't now
[10:36] <chrisccoulson> it's a shame that unity is still not usable on a dual-monitor setup :(
[10:37] <seb128> due to the menus thing?
[10:38] <seb128> pitti, btw not sure you saw my ping before
[10:38] <seb128> pitti, it's meeting reminder day
[10:38] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - no, it's worse than that now
[10:38] <chrisccoulson> when i click on the bfb, the dash opens on the other screen ;)
[10:38] <chrisccoulson> and when i click on any of the indicators, the menus all open in the top-left corner of the primary screen too
[10:39] <chrisccoulson> (rather than next to the indicator i clicked on)
[10:39] <seb128> nice ;-)
[10:40] <didrocks> pitti: if I didn't miss any email, I think seb128 failed at reminding you the team reminder email :)
[10:40] <didrocks> oh, seb128 did it :)
[10:40] <didrocks> 11:15:39
[10:41]  * didrocks has no time to follow #ubuntu-desktop, quite scary :/
[10:42] <seb128> didrocks, see also 2 minutes before what you just wrote
[10:42] <didrocks> what a reminding reminder? :-)
[10:42] <seb128> ;-)
[10:44] <pitti> seb128: I saw it, thanks; will prepare report now and send out
[10:45] <seb128> pitti, btw what about the apport one? I let the i386 retracer down on it for now in case you want to make apport robust to it
[10:45] <pitti> seb128: ok, I'll have a look afterwards
[10:45] <seb128> pitti, we don't especially need it running now, it retracer yesterday and the amd64 is running
[10:45] <seb128> so no hurry
[10:49] <pitti> reminder sent
[10:56] <pitti> seb128: crash fixed in trunk, lock removed
[10:57] <seb128> pitti, you rock, thanks!
[10:57]  * pitti hugs seb128
[10:57]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[10:57]  * seb128 hugs didrocks as well
[10:57] <seb128> great unity work ;-)
[11:01]  * didrocks hugs seb128
[11:02] <pitti> btw, is there any trick how I can navigate the dash or places with the keyboard?
[11:02] <didrocks> pitti: no yet, gord is on it
[11:02] <pitti> i. e. I type "d-f" (which works now \o/), it finds "d-feet", and I want to run it
[11:02] <pitti> didrocks: ah, cool
[11:42] <Sweetshark> pitti: you should find a libreoffice_3.3.1-1ubuntu5_source.changes and a libreoffice-l10n_3.3.1-1ubuntu5_source.changes in 3.3.1-1ubuntu5 on chinstrap
[11:48] <pitti> Sweetshark: does libreoffice-gtk prefer -human over -tango? (i. e. does human come first in the or?)
[11:49] <pitti> Sweetshark: both uploaded, thanks!
[11:50] <speakman> seb128: as you probably already figured, adding a 2 sec delay prior to loading gnome-settings-daemon did the trick. Thanks alot!
[11:50] <seb128> speakman, you're welcome
[11:51] <seb128> speakman, thanks for offering to help debugging the issue
[11:51] <speakman> :)
[11:52] <Sweetshark> pitti: it prefers human
[11:58] <speakman> Now I have to figure out why my software RAID0 setup sometimes doesn't work at boot. Any idea what channel to go? :)
[11:59] <seb128> not really, #ubuntu-devel
[12:04] <Sweetshark> pitti: I am a bit confused by merges.ubuntu.com. It still talks about libreoffice-1:3.3.0-1ubuntu1 although we are already at 3.3.1-1ubuntu4 (or ubuntu5). Why?
[12:04] <pitti> Sweetshark: I guess it's badly behind
[12:04] <pitti> it's a bit of a step child these days
[12:04] <pitti> as most people use bzr for merging
[12:04] <Sweetshark> pitti: k
[12:06] <Sweetshark> so my initial assumption that it show stuff only up to 2011-02-11 (judging by the chart at the end) was not that wrong.
[12:31] <Sweetshark> Could you give me a hint where the repo of the openoffice.org-dictionaries package is? I did not find it at openoffice.org-scribblers and there is no Vcs-* entry in the control file. or is there no vcs at all?
[12:32] <pitti> Sweetshark: we don't have a custom bzr for it
[12:32] <pitti> Sweetshark: you can use lp:ubuntu/openoffice.org-dictionaries (the auto-imported ones) if you want
[12:37] <Sweetshark> pitti: thanks for the info
[12:41] <Ampelbein> hi guys! I got a crash in unity-window-decorator, bug 730974, which is supposed to be fixed in the version I am using.Should the bug be reopened?
[12:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 730974 in compiz "unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_window_get_events() (dup-of: 725284)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/730974
[12:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 725284 in compiz "unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_window_get_events()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/725284
[12:44] <seb128> hey Ampelbein, yes, do you have steps to trigger it?
[12:44] <seb128> it should be reopen in any cases, having a way to trigger it would be better though
[12:46] <Ampelbein> seb128: sadly I didn't find a sure way. It seems to have something to do with moving windows to other workspaces, that results in about one third of the cases in the crash
[12:48] <seb128> ok, no worry, reopen the bug in any case and write what you figure in a comment
[12:50] <mterry> chrisccoulson, what's this about appmenu being broken?
[12:52] <seb128> hey mterry
[12:52] <seb128> mterry, it's all your fault! ;-)
[12:54] <mterry> seb128, doh.  which upload did it?  Is it still broken?
[12:56] <seb128> mterry, no, I was just joking ;-)
[12:56] <mterry> seb128, don't scare me like that.  ;)
[12:56] <seb128> mterry, not sure what you are replying to, but the menus seem to vanish after minimizing dialogs since yesterday libdbusmenu update
[12:57] <seb128> mterry, so ti's likely due to ted's fixes for kenvandine's issue
[12:57] <mterry> chrisccoulson had messaged me last night when I wasn't around saying that appmenus were broken
[12:57] <seb128> ok, that's probably it since that's what he mentioned today
[12:57] <mterry> OK, well then I'll go relax in my not-my-fault chair
[12:58] <seb128> mterry, the update fixed one of the bugs I assigned to you yesterday btw, I closed it
[12:58] <mterry> seb128, I noticed, thanks.
[12:58] <seb128> you're welcome
[12:59] <seb128> I also confirmed the shotwell issue is still there
[12:59] <seb128> so maybe tackle this one next when you get bored of others thing you do
[12:59] <mterry> :-/  k
[12:59] <mterry> still investigating alt mnemonics
[12:59] <seb128> the yorba guys are doing great work so let's try to keep them happy ;-)
[13:00] <seb128> mterry, yeah no hurry, keep going on this one for now
[13:00] <chrisccoulson> mterry - yeah, the panel seems to sometimes discard menus when you minimize windows now
[13:00] <seb128> with some luck by the time you are done ted will have fixed some of the other issues ;-)
[13:00] <chrisccoulson> so, you lose the menus when you restore :(
[13:01] <mterry> chrisccoulson, pfft, I thought GNOME discovered no one minimizes anyway, right?
[13:01] <chrisccoulson> lol
[13:09] <pitti> Sweetshark: argh, armel FTBFS again :(
[13:25] <Sweetshark> pitti: however it seems not to be a LO problem
[13:25] <Sweetshark> pitti: it segfaults on installing ca-certificates
[13:26] <pitti> eww
[13:41] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[13:42] <seb128> hello kenvandine
[13:42] <kenvandine> so yesterday's fix caused more fun :)
[13:42] <seb128> kenvandine, you noticed?
[13:43] <kenvandine> no... just saw your comments
[13:43] <kenvandine> you said menus go away after minimizing dialogs?
[13:47] <seb128> kenvandine, that's what other said, I didn't notice this one myself
[13:48] <kenvandine> ok, i can't reproduce that
[13:48] <seb128> kenvandine, I confirmed shotwell is having issues again though (not due to yesterday update) and gnome-bt is still buggy
[13:48] <kenvandine> yeah, i noticed shotwell last night... some of the menus don't become sensitive when they should
[13:48] <seb128> it doesn't switch to use the right menus either
[13:48] <seb128> like if you click between photos and events or videos
[13:49] <kenvandine> ugh
[13:49] <seb128> the menus don't follow the categories
[13:49] <seb128> empathy has some buggy menu cases as well
[13:49] <kenvandine> the contact menu in the chat window?
[13:50] <seb128> kenvandine, right
[13:50] <seb128> kenvandine, check the libdbusmenu open bugs if you want, there is a second one, I've assigned them to mterry
[13:56] <dobey> kenvandine: have you seen bug #731023 ? it looks like the unity gir package doesn't have the proper deps or something, so gir1.2-dee-whatever is missing?
[13:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 731023 in ubuntuone-client "ubuntuone-syncdaemon crashed with ImportError in get_interfaces_for_object(): No module named Dee" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731023
[13:57] <kenvandine> dobey, indeed
[13:59] <kenvandine> dobey, yeah the unity gir file has types from Dee
[13:59] <kenvandine> but it doesn't have a include
[14:00] <dobey> lovely
[14:00] <kenvandine> dobey, i'll fix that
[14:01]  * bcurtiswx waves to room
[14:01] <seb128> hey bcurtiswx
[14:01] <dobey> kenvandine: cool, thanks
[14:01] <bcurtiswx> hi seb128
[14:01] <dobey> this is what i meant yesterday when i said "pretty much every gir ever is broken" :)
[14:01] <kenvandine> dobey, this isn't why syncdaemon broke for me though...
[14:02] <kenvandine> i have the dee gir installed :)
[14:02] <dobey> kenvandine: sure
[14:02] <kenvandine> i missing having working file sync
[14:02] <kenvandine> :-D
[14:02] <dobey> kenvandine: not entirely sure what is up with your crash yet
[14:12] <bcurtiswx> isn't u1sdtool --quit supposed to kill all processes and stop them from automatically respawning?
[14:15]  * bcurtiswx stabs dbus http://paste.ubuntu.com/577473/
[14:16] <bcurtiswx> i can't stop u1sd from maxing out my CPU!
[14:16] <bcurtiswx> well, 1 of the 2
[14:16] <bcurtiswx> i've done --quit as well, still respawns
[14:21] <bcurtiswx> tedg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/577473/
[14:21] <bcurtiswx> :(
[14:22] <tedg> bcurtiswx, 1) I'm not the developer you're looking for :)  2) sudo and dbus aren't friends
[14:22] <dobey> bcurtiswx: it's probably crashing and something is respawning it, though not sure what
[14:22] <dobey> and yeah, why are you doing sudo?
[14:23] <bcurtiswx> i did it with and without, just to see if i got a change (i.e. stopped the daemon from running)
[14:23] <bcurtiswx> that was a paste with
[14:23] <bcurtiswx> tedg, dobey thx
[14:23] <dobey> bcurtiswx: in 'top' does the pid keep changing?
[14:23] <bcurtiswx> yes
[14:24] <dobey> i wonder what is continually trying to talk to it in dbus
[14:24] <bcurtiswx> feels like a bad RPG where you kill a zombie but it just keeps coming back :-\
[14:24] <dobey> bcurtiswx: is anything else using lots of cpu?
[14:24] <bcurtiswx> no, just u1sd
[14:24] <dobey> huh
[14:25] <bcurtiswx> Xorg is next with 3% :P
[14:26] <dobey> shen me niao
[14:27] <dobey> bcurtiswx: uninstall ubuntuone-client for the moment i guess?
[14:28] <bcurtiswx> bcurtis@wx:~$ u1sdtool --quit | ubuntuone-syncdaemon still running.
[14:28] <dobey> bcurtiswx: yes, dbus isn't going to work if it's crashing
[14:28] <bcurtiswx> hrmm
[14:28] <bcurtiswx> OK, brb
[14:29] <dobey> i wish i knew what was causing it to respawn like that
[14:29] <dobey> anyone seen rodrigo?
[14:34] <Sweetshark> pitti: is there any way to retrigger the armel build?
[14:35] <pitti> Sweetshark: yes, there is; want me to?
[14:35] <pitti> Sweetshark: people who can upload a package have a "retry this build" button on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:3.3.1-1ubuntu5/+buildjob/2307514
[14:36] <Sweetshark> pitti: i was looking for that button ;).
[14:36] <pitti> Sweetshark: you can't do it yourself, as long as you aren't an uploader
[14:36] <pitti> Sweetshark: did you figure out what's wrong with the Java keytool? or do you think it was a spurious failure?
[14:36] <Sweetshark> pitti: please do. Maybe another machine is more lucky with installing the prerequs
[14:37] <pitti> Sweetshark: done
[14:37] <Sweetshark> pitti: no, i have not investigated into that.
[14:43] <Q-FUNK> pitti: don't bug-buddy and apport-gtk essentially compete for the same role on ubuntu?  shouldn't we make apport-gtk Provides and Conflicts with bug-buddy anyhow, just to be safe?
[14:44] <pitti> Q-FUNK: they don't conflict package-wise; if you install bug-buddy, GNOME should use this, and only this
[14:44] <pitti> I don't want to break the bug-buddy functionality
[14:44] <pitti> (and then apport would still be used for all non-gnome packages)
[14:44] <pitti> ... or bug reports
[14:46] <Q-FUNK> pitti: ok. is there some sort of debian alternative used to determine which one will be used?
[14:47] <pitti> Q-FUNK: no, as they don't use the same interface AFAIK
[14:47] <pitti> at least the last time I looked at it, bug buddy worked in terms of providing a signal handler (more more specifically, some central libgnome something installed the signal handler and calls bug buddy if available)
[14:47] <pitti> for apport programs need to actually crash, and the kernel calls apport
[14:48] <Q-FUNK> could apport somehow benefit from the stuff that that library collects?
[14:48] <Q-FUNK> because here, whenever nm-applet crashes, bug-buddy is called, but then it complains that it cannot collect enough evidence because the debug packages are not installed.
[14:49] <Q-FUNK> I would then prefer having apport catch those crashes, but it never launches for some reason
[14:49] <SpamapS> so.. unity.. no alt-f2 to run things? what about typing in a command in the search window box thing that pops up when I hit the super key?
[14:50] <Q-FUNK> gnomesegvhandler
[14:51] <pitti> SpamapS: Alt+F2 will come back, just not done yet
[14:52] <SpamapS> pitti: thats good to know. Is there a way I can run the things that the search does find?
[14:52] <pitti> SpamapS: click on it
[14:52] <pitti> SpamapS: keyboard navigation will still come as well
[14:54] <SpamapS> pitti: good... seems the last 2 things that I'd want to consider moving are in place.. well that and supporting multiple monitors with diff resolutions.
[14:56] <Q-FUNK> hmm. actually, apport-gtk also makes gtk complain about a missing gnomesegvhandler
[14:56] <Q-FUNK> silly question, but why is apport-gtk in /usr/share instead of /usr/lib or /usr/bin ?
[15:01] <pitti> Q-FUNK: you shouldn't call /usr/share/apport/apport yourself, that's the kernel-side interface
[15:01] <pitti> Q-FUNK: apport-gtk/kde as well
[15:01] <Sweetshark> pitti: in 15 minutes we will know if the error was spurious ...
[15:01] <pitti> Q-FUNK: the CLI interfaces are ubuntu-bug and apport-retrace
[15:02] <robbiew> pitti: do you recall the package that I need to remove to keep Ubuntu one from repeatedly crashing?  gir1..something
[15:02] <Q-FUNK> pitti: ok, but how does apport get triggered if at all, these days?  I simply haven't seen any single apport message in the notification area in ages, but bug-buddy regularly pops up.
[15:02] <pitti> robbiew: did we talk about that? I don't remember this at all
[15:03] <robbiew> pitti: we didn't...just thought you might know :P
[15:03] <pitti> Q-FUNK: are you running maverick? it's disabled by default in stable releases (see /etc/default/apport)
[15:03] <robbiew> I ran into this before...will chase it down with DX...unity related
[15:03] <pitti> robbiew: dobey might be able to help?
[15:03] <Q-FUNK> pitti: natty on this host
[15:03] <robbiew> KenEdwards: hey...I'm being bombed by U1 crashing repeatedly
[15:03] <pitti> Q-FUNK: update-notifier brings up the GUI once there's a crash; do you have something in /var/crash/ ?
[15:03] <robbiew> I ran into this before...and needed to remove some gir related package
[15:04] <Q-FUNK> pitti: I had until a few minutes ago
[15:04] <seb128> robbiew, you shouldn't have to remove any gir
[15:04] <seb128> robbiew, if there is a crasher bug we should get it properly reported and fixed
[15:04] <seb128> robbiew, do you have details on the crash?
[15:05] <Q-FUNK> pitti: seems that update-otifier is not installed here, for some reason. that might explain it.  should apport-gtk Depends on it, then?
[15:05] <seb128> Q-FUNK, uninstall bug-buggy
[15:05] <Q-FUNK> seb128: yup, did that now
[15:06] <robbiew> seb128: well...I'll try...it locks up the machine b/c it repeats so fast...will open today
[15:06] <pitti> Q-FUNK: I'd rather avoid it
[15:06] <pitti> Q-FUNK: abusing update-notifier is not quite ideal, but we have to do that until we get proper upstart user events
[15:06] <dobey> what's up?
[15:06] <Q-FUNK> pitti: or a Recommends, at least?
[15:07] <seb128> robbiew, try to use gdb on it to block it otherwise ;-)
[15:07] <dobey> robbiew: uninstall gir1.2-unity-3.0 to stop syncdaemon from crashing
[15:07] <robbiew> ah ha!
[15:07] <robbiew> thnx dobey
[15:07] <pitti> Q-FUNK: apport doesn't know anything about u-n, nor call it, etc.
[15:07] <dobey> i don't know why it keeps respawning instead of just crashing and burning, but the GIR bits for unity/dee/etc seem to still be fairly problematic :(
[15:18]  * didrocks wonders if it's because the dee gir is finally working than u1 is just having issue
[15:18] <didrocks> before the override wasn't in the right dir
[15:18] <didrocks> so, the import would fail
[15:20] <Sweetshark> pitti: armel failed again, same issue, other machine.
[15:22] <Sweetshark> pitti: seems the setup of ca-certificates-java 20100412 is a currently a sure way to fail.
[15:22] <pitti> Sweetshark: indeed, that looks like a recent java regression on armel
[15:26] <Sweetshark> pitti: should I file a bug about it, if yes against what? openjdk on arm?
[15:30] <Q-FUNK> any way to force apport to send extra info and/or file a new report when testing a developer's possible fix?
[15:32] <dobey> pitti: hey
[15:32] <dobey> pitti: did you reject my maverick-proposed upload?
[15:32] <pitti> Sweetshark: please do
[15:33] <pitti> didrocks: I had to reupload because the source.changes didn't include the previous version
[15:33] <pitti> sorry, dobey  ^
[15:33] <didrocks> hum, I was starting to wonder ;)
[15:34] <dobey> pitti: oh, weird. how do i make debuild include 2 versions in the .changes?
[15:34] <pitti> dobey: -S<version in -updates>
[15:34] <dobey> ah ok
[15:37] <dobey> i'll try to remember that :)
[15:41] <james_w> -v<version in updates> isn't it?
[15:41] <pitti> erm, of course; sorry
[15:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, can you give specifics about the libdbusmenu issue that started today for you?
[15:50] <dobey> pitti, seb128: have you guys seen rodrigo today? or is it a national holiday in .es too?
[15:50] <pitti> dobey: not that I remember
[15:50] <seb128> he's off this week iirc
[15:50] <seb128> he said last week he would be on holidays this week
[15:51] <dobey> ah so he is
[15:51] <dobey> just my luck
[16:06] <pitti> back in a bit, will be back in time for the meeting
[16:08] <didrocks> pitti: is giving the alt + F2 FFe a way to tell "hurry, hurry" :)
[16:08] <vish> kenvandine: hi, could you upload humanity from : ~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release/ ?  it just contains bug fixes and icons for the new network indicator..
[16:10] <kenvandine> vish, i can take a look
[16:10] <vish> cool! thanks..
[16:22] <Q-FUNK> didrocks: you mean that there's such a thing as a firefox accelerator? :D
[16:22] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - do you mean the issue where menus aren't appearing after minimizing a window?
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> bug 684784 is 2 bugs btw
[16:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 684784 in indicator-application "indicator-applet-appmenu crashed with SIGSEGV in dbusmenu_menuitem_send_about_to_show() (dup-of: 723463)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/684784
[16:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 723463 in indicator-appmenu "indicator-applet-appmenu crashed with SIGSEGV in dbusmenu_menuitem_send_about_to_show()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723463
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> 1 in unity (which looks like an obvious fix)
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> and 1 is in the indicator-applet too, but i've not yet got to the bottom of that
[16:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, feel free to split them out
[16:25] <seb128> chrisccoulson, right, ted says he doesn't get it and it seems to work fine there as well
[16:25] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i get it quite frequently with firefox, and some people were mentioning it on IRC last night too
[16:25] <seb128> could you describe what is the issue exactly?
[16:26] <seb128> is that the standard menus missing or the application ones?
[16:27] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ?
[16:28] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - after minimizing and restoring firefox, it's menu doesn't appear in the panel any more
[16:28] <chrisccoulson> (it doesn't display anywhere)
[16:28] <seb128> tedg, ^
[16:28] <Sweetshark> pitti: filed as bug 731397 btw
[16:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 731397 in openjdk-6 "keytool from openjdk 6b18-1.8.3-1ubuntu3 segfaults on armel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731397
[16:28] <chrisccoulson> if i run unity-panel-service in the console, i see it destroys the firefox menu sometimes when i minimize its window
[16:28] <seb128> does anybody get no desktop menus today?
[16:29] <seb128> like the default nautilus ones on empty workspaces
[16:29] <seb128> there are not there for me it seems
[16:29] <jasoncwarner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-03-08
[16:29] <tedg> What I don't get is why this doesn't happen to me...
[16:30] <didrocks> hey
[16:30] <jasoncwarner> Good morning everyone
[16:30] <seb128> hey jasoncwarner
[16:30] <jasoncwarner> hey seb
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> tedg, it only happens to me sometimes
[16:30] <seb128> didrocks, mterry, pitti, kenvandine, chrisccoulson, Riddell: ^
[16:30] <jasoncwarner> pitti didrocks seb128 mterry rodrigo_ sweetshark kenvandine tremolux cyphermox chrisccoulson tkamppeter bryceh riddell ready for meeting?
[16:30] <pitti> o/
[16:30] <seb128> others as well
[16:30] <chrisccoulson> \o/
[16:30] <tremolux> heya, you bet
[16:30] <cyphermox> o/
[16:30] <seb128> ;-)
[16:30]  * kenvandine waves
[16:31] <Sweetshark> jasoncwarner: thats why the sun is dawning here: It has to make Morning at your place.
[16:31] <seb128> jasoncwarner, bryceh is the eastern edition usually
[16:31] <jasoncwarner> seb128: yeah...true : )
[16:31] <jasoncwarner> ok...jumping right in
[16:32] <mterry> hi
[16:32] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] Partner Update
[16:32] <tkamppeter> hi
[16:32] <kenvandine> ok
[16:32] <kenvandine> UbuntuOne
[16:32] <kenvandine> FFE: bindwood update for firefox4 still planned
[16:33] <kenvandine> FFE: adding ubuntuone-couch to universe
[16:33] <kenvandine> which is a cli tool for managing couchdb in the cloud
[16:33] <kenvandine> DX:
[16:33] <kenvandine> https://launchpad.net/unity-foundations to replace https://launchpad.net/ayatana-ubuntu
[16:33] <chrisccoulson> what else does the bindwood update bring? does it really need a FFe (considering that the current version doesn't work)
[16:33] <chrisccoulson> (sorry to interrupt) ;)
[16:34] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, i would consider it a regression
[16:34] <kenvandine> so maybe not a ffe
[16:34] <kenvandine> no features
[16:34] <kenvandine> i have confirmed that
[16:34] <chrisccoulson> cool, so we should just upload that then
[16:34] <kenvandine> so FYI on the LP restructuring there, new name unity-foundations
[16:35] <kenvandine> FFE: indicator-datetime, browsing calendar widget should update appointments
[16:35] <didrocks> (same for all dx, new names in fact)
[16:35] <kenvandine> still planned, but not ready yet
[16:35] <kenvandine> and
[16:35] <kenvandine> overlay scrollbar
[16:36] <kenvandine> seb128 to review the gtk patch for possible ffe bug 730740
[16:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 730740 in gtk+2.0 "Provide support for dynamically loading the new overlay scrollbar feature" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/730740
[16:36] <kenvandine> note: this doesn't include the overlay scrollbar module itself
[16:36] <seb128> ?
[16:36] <seb128> did comment on that one yesterday
[16:36] <kenvandine> ok
[16:36] <seb128> the patch itself shouldn't be a real issue if we want to take it but it's an hack and it doesn't seem have a strong rational
[16:36] <didrocks> also, meanwhile, can you please ping me when you are updating gtk in natty? I got a bunch of emails this morning from people telling my overlay package in the ppa was broken :/
[16:37] <seb128> didrocks, that's not going to work accross people uploading gtk, subscribe to natty-changes and set up a filter for gtk uploads ;-)
[16:38] <didrocks> well, I would prefer someone volonteering for the overlay maintaince :)
[16:38] <didrocks> or doing the upload in the ppa
[16:38] <pitti> the new scroll bars are a bit of a "surprise" to say the least
[16:38] <seb128> talk to dx
[16:38] <kenvandine> right, i suspect plenty of conversations to have still
[16:38] <pitti> I had assumed we already have enough to do with stabilizing unity?
[16:38] <kenvandine> pitti, indeed
[16:38] <didrocks> yeah, I have enough with unity myself :)
[16:39] <didrocks> hence the call for "if someone can handle it, would be nice"
[16:39] <didrocks> the packaging is done, should be a matter of updates and rebase patches…
[16:39] <seb128> drop it on dx, it's their job ;-)
[16:39] <kenvandine> if we did get the gtk patch in, it would simplify the maintainence in the ppa at least
[16:39] <didrocks> seb128: you know it's not working like that…
[16:39] <seb128> I'm not especialled thrilled to ship gtk hacks in ubuntu just to make ppa work easier
[16:39] <kenvandine> didrocks, he knows :)
[16:40] <kenvandine> seb128, understand
[16:40] <didrocks> well, ok, I'll do it again then :/
[16:41] <kenvandine> that is all i have, we can surely discuss the gtk end of this outside of the meeting
[16:41] <jasoncwarner> kenvandine: :) I think parner update was more lively than usuaL!
[16:42] <kenvandine> hehe :)
[16:42] <jasoncwarner> ok...thanks...
[16:42] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] Unity
[16:42] <didrocks> yeah
[16:42] <didrocks> so, as usual, everything is detailed in the wiki :)
[16:43] <didrocks> main hilights are:
[16:43] <didrocks> - slowly switching in bug fixing mode
[16:43] <didrocks> - latest release should already bring better stability
[16:43] <didrocks> - next release a little bit earlier due to launchpad rollout
[16:44] <didrocks> - also, some FFe will probably be required (see wiki)
[16:44] <didrocks> (I heard also that Alt + F2 will be back either this week or next one, depends on two pieces :))
[16:45] <seb128> \o/ ;-)
[16:45] <seb128> (though I'm still running a gnome-panel so I'm ok with it being late ;-)
[16:45] <pitti> (and I want my time-indicator back..)
[16:45] <pitti> (and a pony)
[16:46] <Q-FUNK> (un chauson avec ça?)
[16:46] <didrocks> pitti: time-indicator?
[16:46] <pitti> didrocks: it's totally empty right now
[16:47] <didrocks> pitti: oh, not for me :) that's more on the fundation part I think
[16:47] <mterry> pitti, good job on still making the meeting on time  :)
[16:48] <didrocks> so yeah, all details on the wiki for past and future troubles ;) that's it for me!
[16:48] <jasoncwarner> thanks, didrocks!
[16:48] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] Software Center
[16:48] <tremolux> heyo
[16:48] <tremolux> ok, so details on the wiki, and highlights:
[16:48] <tremolux> * The ratings and reviews "usefulness" feature has been rolled out for Alpha 3
[16:48] <tremolux> * Nice improvements to the details view; cleaner layout and much faster rendering
[16:48] <tremolux> so, everybody please vote for your favorite reviews (and reviewers)  ;)
[16:49]  * tremolux always pluses mterry reviews by policy
[16:49] <mterry> :)
[16:49] <pitti> /msg tremolux how much does he pay per plus?
[16:49] <tremolux> pitti: shhh!  secret
[16:49] <mterry> I fix a deja-dup bug for him
[16:50] <Q-FUNK> ah, that seems like a potent source of financing. /me notes
[16:50] <tremolux> haha  :D
[16:50] <seb128> pitti, do you have a calendar you didn't authentificate to?
[16:52] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] Kubuntu
[16:52] <jasoncwarner> Riddell: ? ^
[16:52] <Riddell> I'm not here I'm afraid, I'm at conf.kde.in
[16:53] <Riddell> Kubuntu is all good as far as I know, the ARM issue with GCC and Qt is being looked into, I think we need to do some tests for doko
[16:54] <Riddell> last week's alpha was fine except on ARM and kubuntu mobile needs a launchpad change to work again
[16:54] <Riddell> ..
[16:56] <jasoncwarner> thanks, Riddell
[16:56] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] Tools and Processes
[16:56] <jasoncwarner> pitti, anything you wanted to talk about?
[16:57] <pitti> not from me
[16:57] <pitti> I'm not quite sure what this regular section is about, TBH
[16:57] <pitti> if we have something new, we should put it on the agenda
[16:58] <jasoncwarner> pitti: sure thing.
[16:58] <jasoncwarner> well then, last topic would be
[16:58] <Sweetshark> should LO be a regular section? currently i am just dumping my stuff in the weekly summary.
[17:00] <jasoncwarner> Sweetshark: we can talk after meeting...so far it seems to work the way it is.
[17:00] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] AOB?
[17:02] <jasoncwarner> ok, sounds good!
[17:02] <jasoncwarner> [END MEETING]
[17:02] <jasoncwarner> hope everyone has a great day.
[17:02] <didrocks> thanks, you too
[17:02] <pitti> thanks everyone
[17:03] <Q-FUNK> I'd have a couple of questions about Google account integration in Evo.  currently, calendar and e-mail accounts have to be added separately. IIRC there's an upstream bug about it, but no response.
[17:03] <tremolux> thanks, see y'all
[17:03]  * Sweetshark is off for a LO meeting for a few minutes.
[17:03] <Sweetshark> didrocks: as you seem to be compiling a list of "most annoying compiz issues" I would like to propose bug 606558, which is nasty in every way. I am in a conf call starting 17:00UTC. Will you be around for a few more minutes?
[17:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 606558 in openoffice.org "Switching user while Compiz enabled makes OpenOffice.org crawl (extremely slow scrolling)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/606558
[17:04] <didrocks> Sweetshark: sure, this one should be discussed with smspillaz to be able to get enough info for debugging
[17:04] <pitti> chrisccoulson: lp:~pitti/po2xpi/fix-update-data updated; can you please pull into lp:~mozillateam/po2xpi/trunk ?
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> pitti - sure, just doing that now
[17:07] <pitti> chrisccoulson: oh, and perhaps you could upgrade that to 2a afterwards
[17:07] <pitti> chrisccoulson: nice, thanks
[17:07]  * pitti turns the crank to build fresh natty langpacks
[17:08] <Q-FUNK> heh
[17:25] <mterry> seb128, btw, I never did get a response from Design about the no-custom-default-app possible regression...
[17:25] <seb128> mpt, hey
[17:25] <mpt> hi
[17:25] <seb128> mpt, is there any chance you would reply to mterry's email?
[17:25] <mterry> mpt, titled "Preferred Applications"
[17:26]  * mpt reads
[17:26] <mpt> mterry, that looks like a regression to me
[17:27] <mterry> mpt, k, thanks
[17:27] <mpt> mterry, I guess they got rid of it because the text field is ugly, but it could be moved into a secondary dialog that opens when you choose "Other..."
[17:28] <mterry> seb128, so we should do something about a custom field.  either go back and patch glib or create a custom-field editor...
[17:29] <seb128> mterry, I'm tempted to say it's enough of a corner case and that it's lower issue than other bugs and unity
[17:29] <mpt> mterry, if it was nicely buried, Gnome might even accept it upstream :-)
[17:29] <mterry> mpt, while I have you here, I had asked a few questions about indicator-datetime a while back.  Specifically about showing the current timezone in the list of locations.  In emails with the titles "DateTime configuration dialog"
[17:29] <mterry> mpt, :)
[17:31] <mpt> mterry, I need to go right now, but remind me tomorrow and I'll do you some sketches
[17:31] <mterry> mpt, sure, np
[17:31] <mpt> ta
[17:38] <seb128> mterry, ok so what do you think?
[17:38] <seb128> I don't like much reverting the glib and gvfs code, seems we should move things forward rather
[17:38] <seb128> it's likely than having common browsers and email clients there should be fine for 99% of the users
[17:39] <seb128> even if it costs on day of hacking to add back the option it also feels like that day should be better spent fixing indicator or unity issues
[17:39] <seb128> that's my view on the issue
[17:39] <seb128> pitti, kenvandine, chrisccoulson: ^ opinions?
[17:40] <mterry> seb128, fair
[17:40]  * kenvandine agrees
[17:40] <mterry> seb128, plus, ideally it would be coordinated with upstream, which might take a bit of time
[17:40] <seb128> ok
[17:40] <seb128> so just document the way to do that manually with a text editor
[17:48] <seb128> pitti, btw there is a start of shotwell mir bug on launchpad with the news summary
[17:48] <pitti> seb128: no strong opinion, but I agree about the "forward is better than patchhing backwrds"
[17:48] <seb128> pitti, do you think we could move that on so robert_ancell just has to do the update later on?
[17:49] <pitti> seb128: you mean check the package for MIR? I can't ack it any more, but I can certainly help out with reviews
[17:49] <pitti> still fighting with langpacks ATM (there was one bug left that I overlooked)
[17:49] <seb128> pitti, sorry I'm tired mir -> ffe
[17:49] <seb128> it's the 0.8 to 0.8.90 update
[17:50] <bdrung> what component's fault can it be if audacity has problems when running Unity, but works great with the classic desktop (bug #731451)?
[17:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 731451 in audacity "audacity not working in Ubuntu 11.04 Alpha3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731451
[18:00]  * mterry has to head out for an errand, bbl
[18:00] <seb128> mterry, see you
[18:12] <Sweetshark> doko: ping?
[18:13] <doko> Sweetshark: ?
[18:15] <pitti> good night everyone
[18:15] <Sweetshark> doko: Any objections to invite penalver to the libreoffice packaging group? He seems to be doing alot of great bugmangling for OOo/LO.
[18:15] <Sweetshark> pitti: n8
[18:16] <Sweetshark> ^- sneaking a little german in here that looks like innocent english
[18:18] <doko> Sweetshark: your decision
[18:19] <Sweetshark> doko: Thanks. I will have a talk with him on irc.
[18:22] <micahg> Sweetshark: just keep in mind that team membership gives PPA upload rights
[18:26] <Sweetshark> micahg: k, I will check the guy out. Its just that he does real awesome work on bugwrangling LO bugs, could be good to connect with him.
[18:28] <micahg> Sweetshark: yep, I've set a few bugs' importance for him
[18:29] <doko> Sweetshark: just agree on "no-uploads" then
[18:30]  * Sweetshark tries to get to chat with him a bit on IRC first. And yes, agreeing on "no-upload" would be agood idea too.
[18:33] <chrisccoulson> b'ah, i'm being thrown off track by another bug in dbusmenu
[18:42] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson,  not more dbusmenu bugs!
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, oh yes
[18:43] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, i've been investigating bug 723463, and have written a little python app which just randomly adds and removes menus
[18:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 723463 in indicator-appmenu "indicator-applet-appmenu crashed with SIGSEGV in dbusmenu_menuitem_send_about_to_show()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723463
[18:44] <chrisccoulson> and i've been trying to figure out why menus aren't getting removed when the app removes them, which i thought was related to this bug
[18:44] <chrisccoulson> but it turns out that it might be a red-herring, as the stale menus is actually happeining on the application side :(
[18:44] <chrisccoulson> s/is/are/
[18:45] <chrisccoulson> if i run dbus-monitor and have my application remove a menu, nothing happens on the bus ;)
[18:45] <chrisccoulson> (not until i add a menu later on)
[18:45] <kenvandine> wonderful
[18:45] <chrisccoulson> heh
[18:45] <kenvandine> so i saw something similar in appindicator
[18:46] <kenvandine> probably the same underlying bug
[18:49] <seb128> mterry, you should wait on chrisccoulson to be done on his bugs before starting investigating the ones I assigned to you
[18:49] <seb128> it seems tackling some of those could fix other issues
[18:49] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks for working on those!
[19:04] <didrocks> mvo: is there an easy way to try some Xapian requests to see if my added tags work?
[19:12] <mvo> didrocks: there is tests/test_xapian.py for some example code
[19:12] <didrocks> mvo: nice! thanks, I'll look at that :)
[19:13] <mvo> didrocks: it should be straightforward or send me a mail with the tag and I add some test code
[19:13] <mvo> didrocks: (but probably tomorrow :/
[19:14] <didrocks> mvo: sure, I'm heading off as well. I'm adding some tag in memory in act, not in the xapian database, for now (the (basename(Exec)) key for alt + F2, but we can discuss that tomorrow!
[19:14] <didrocks> s/in act/in fact
[19:15] <mvo> didrocks: alt-f2!!!
[19:16] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[19:16] <mvo> awsome
[19:16] <mvo> then you have my total support
[19:16] <mvo> TOTAL
[19:16] <didrocks> heh!
[19:16] <didrocks> ;)
[19:16] <didrocks> how easy it is!
[19:16] <didrocks> :)
[19:18]  * didrocks waves goodbye
[19:18]  * mterry is back
[19:24] <janimo> Sweetshark, hello, I retried the failed LibO arm build, it may have been caused by errors on the servers independent of packaging. Now it is past the initial error location
[19:25] <janimo> doko, ^
[19:28] <Sweetshark> janimo: ah, cool! And hopefully it has not died yet for other (more valid) reasons?
[19:29] <doko> janimo, Sweetshark: expected, I uploaded eglibc too early. the buildd's need a fixed lucid kernel
[19:46] <janimo> Sweetshark, it was a segfault whle installing Java dependencies, so not a valid reason :)
[19:47] <janimo> Sweetshark, see the arm asm patch is dropped, but did not look at the sources. Is the gcc __sync alternative that is in LibO master used? If not that may need to be picked, otherwise that code uses pthreads and that is suboptimal
[19:49] <Sweetshark> janimo: there is no patch applied at all on natty, only for the maverick and lucid backports.
[19:49] <janimo> Sweetshark, ok. I see
[20:00] <vish> kenvandine: if you havent uploaded humanity yet, i'd like to push another bug fix.. :)
[20:01] <kenvandine> sure
[20:01] <vish> cool!, on it..
[20:01] <kenvandine> vish, i won't get to it today...
[20:01] <kenvandine> :)
[20:01] <kenvandine> so you have time
[20:01] <vish> ;p
[20:01] <vish> ok, i'll just push the change today though
[21:00]  * bryceh_ waves
[21:17] <vish> kenvandine: ~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release/ is good to upload when you are free ;)
[21:17] <vish> thanks. :)
[21:45] <kenvandine> dobey, i have fixes for both of those syncdaemon crashers
[21:45] <kenvandine> bug 730929
[21:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 730929 in ubuntuone-client "ubuntuone-syncdaemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_typelib_get_dir_entry_by_gtype()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/730929
[21:45] <kenvandine> and bug 731023
[21:45] <achiang> hello, is there an alternative mixer that can sit in the systray for the case where you have removed pulseaudio from the system (and thus do not have indicator-sound anymore) ?
[21:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 731023 in libunity "ubuntuone-syncdaemon crashed with ImportError in get_interfaces_for_object(): No module named Dee" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731023
[21:46] <dobey> kenvandine: your issue was a bug in dee too?
[21:46] <kenvandine> yes
[21:47] <kenvandine> dee and libunity
[21:47] <dobey> ok
[21:47]  * kenvandine grumbles about gir
[21:47] <dobey> and everything actually works after that?
[21:47] <kenvandine> yes
[21:48] <dobey> ok, cool
[21:48] <dobey> i pushed an update to u1client which just Conflicts: gir1.2-unity-3.0 for now, but i will change that back when your new packages are in the archive
[21:50] <dobey> as i begin to try and clean up libubuntuone's insanity
[21:51] <kenvandine> dobey, the frustrating thing is i spent time trying to figure out why my fix wasn't working... didn't realize the unity gir is in the dist, so not generated at build
[21:53] <dobey> ugh
[21:53] <achiang> TheMuso: any clues? is there an alternative mixer that can sit in the systray for the case where you have removed pulseaudio from the system (and thus do not have indicator-sound anymore) ?
[21:53] <dobey> all this gir stuff has almost tempted me to just write C instead of vala :(
[21:53] <TheMuso> achiang: There is the legacy gnome-volume-control stuff, but I don't think that gets packaged any more. Take a look at gnome-media.
[21:54] <TheMuso> Byt that is not an indicator.
[21:54] <TheMuso> achiang: And why the removal of pulse?
[21:54] <achiang> TheMuso: a legacy systray app is good enough for my purposes
[21:54] <achiang> TheMuso: we are having a devil of a time getting pulse working on a freescale imx51 board
[21:55] <achiang> TheMuso: this is for a lucid project anyway
[21:55] <TheMuso> ah ok.
[21:56] <achiang> TheMuso: do you know of any known issues with pulse and armel?
[21:56] <TheMuso> achiang: WIth pulse from lucid, no.
[21:59] <jasoncwarner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-03-08
[21:59] <jasoncwarner> robert_ancell TheMuso Bryceh RAOF
[21:59] <jasoncwarner> you guys ready?
[21:59] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner, yup
[21:59] <TheMuso> Yo
[21:59] <bryceh_> heya
[22:00] <jasoncwarner> morning everyone!
[22:00] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] X
[22:00] <bryceh_> we've just posted mesa 7.10.1
[22:00] <RAOF> Ah, you've uploaded that?  Awesome :)
[22:01] <bryceh_> an xserver bump is in the works and will be out within the week, it's mostly just making sure the driver situation is sane
[22:01] <bryceh_> RAOF, in fact wanted to ask - is the driver situation sane enough we could do xserver right now?  anything we're waiting on still?
[22:02] <jasoncwarner> bryceh_: learning from my last experience with an x upgrade .... are we going to have 3d for it ;) (sarcasm, but just expect to get that question going forward! :) )
[22:02] <bryceh_> RAOF, yeah re: mesa, I played with it a bit this morning and didn't spot anything bad so went ahead and dropped it in a little bit ago
[22:02] <RAOF> I was only waiting for nvidia and fglrx to catch up - have they?
[22:02] <bryceh_> jasoncwarner, indeed that's exactly the reason we've been delaying updating it so far
[22:02] <robert_ancell> RAOF, can I haz alt-tab now?
[22:03] <RAOF> robert_ancell: You should have haz alt-tab for a number of weeks - don't you?
[22:03] <bryceh_> -nvidia should be right?  With -fglrx <mumble mumble> but I gather it doesn't matter since we don't have a functioning -fglrx driver with the interim abi
[22:03] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Should be fine with recent cards, I am using compiz with gnome now and having no problems.
[22:03] <bryceh_> robert_ancell, yeah that's fixed since some time ago
[22:04] <bryceh_> or, at least the alt-tab bug I was working on a while ago is now fixed. ;-)
[22:04] <RAOF> s/fixed/worked around by using a driver upstream doesn't say “why are you touching the classic driver”/
[22:04]  * robert_ancell alt-tabs.... and is still here!
[22:05] <jasoncwarner> robert_ancell: small victories ;)
[22:05] <robert_ancell> I'm just getting the window not redrawing bugs now (seemed to start a week ago or so)
[22:05] <bryceh_> ok, in other news the wayland update I mentioned last meeting has gone in, so we're "done" with wayland for natty.
[22:06] <jasoncwarner> yay
[22:06] <jasoncwarner> ok, any other x news?
[22:06] <bryceh_> nope, pretty much at this point I'm entirely focusing on bugs.  RAOF, you?
[22:07] <jasoncwarner> [TOPIC] AOB?
[22:07] <RAOF> Patches have been posted upstream for the residual graphics corruption on early gen3 (think i915) chips.
[22:07] <RAOF> If you're experiencing that bug, try the intel-drm-next kernel from the mainline builds.
[22:08] <bryceh_> oh, speaking of freezes, I've also updated the -intel apport hook to hopefully dupe these bugs a bit more smartly
[22:08] <TheMuso> I hope the big crashing issues with the ubuntuone stack are known.
[22:08] <bryceh_> TheMuso, X crashing?
[22:08] <TheMuso> I had to delete the launcher desktop file from /etc/xdg/autostart for now, as I couldn't use myd esktop with constant apport hooks coming up.
[22:09] <TheMuso> bryceh_: Not X, ubuntuone related.
[22:09] <bryceh_> TheMuso, haven't seen reports of a ubuntuone / X crash issue
[22:09] <bryceh_> ah
[22:09] <RAOF> TheMuso: Yeah, that's known, and I think worked around in the most recent update?
[22:09]  * TheMuso is referring to AOB, but its not really meeting related, just wondered if anybody had hit that.
[22:09] <RAOF> bug 731023
[22:09] <TheMuso> RAOF: I saw ubuntuone related changes from overnight, but haven't updated yet.
[22:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 731023 in libunity "ubuntuone-syncdaemon crashed with ImportError in get_interfaces_for_object(): No module named Dee" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/731023
[22:10] <bryceh_> I noticed in software center you can vote for reviews as many times as you wish.  ;-)
[22:10] <TheMuso> Hrm interesting. I am still using GNOME here.
[22:10] <RAOF> That's what you're hitting.
[22:10] <TheMuso> i.e GNOME panel/
[22:10] <TheMuso> Ok will update ASAP then.
[22:10] <RAOF> It's probably seeing if it can connect to unity, so would do so in regular GNOME too?  Dunno, maybe you're seeing a different bug?
[22:10] <kenvandine> dobey, libunity and dee uploaded
[22:12] <kenvandine> TheMuso, i just uploaded fixes for that ubuntuone crasher
[22:12] <TheMuso> kenvandine: Ok sweet, will wait till they have been published then.
[22:12] <jasoncwarner> kenvandine: awsome...was getting annoying! ;)
[22:12] <TheMuso> thanks.
[22:12] <jasoncwarner> Ok...anything else? otherwise...
[22:12] <bryceh_> jasoncwarner, how has the unity feedback been going?
[22:12] <ricotz> gilir, hi
[22:13] <jasoncwarner> bryceh_: as you might expect...mixed
[22:13] <jasoncwarner> there is actually quite a bit of love, some hate...but alot of middle ground.
[22:13] <gilir> hi ricotz
[22:13] <jasoncwarner> seems people can see the good through the rough edges, which is encouraging.
[22:14]  * TheMuso winces at the slowness of wireless 2.4gHz. My area's 2.4gHz spectrum si congested waaay to much atm, can see 16 APs, including my own.
[22:14] <kenvandine> TheMuso, the fixes are in libunity and libdee
[22:14] <ricotz> gilir, perhaps you have time for this https://launchpad.net/elementaryicons/2.0/2.7 :-)
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> Ok...if nothing else, thanks everyone!
[22:14] <jasoncwarner> [END MEETING]
[22:14] <bryceh_> thanks
[22:15] <ricotz> oh, sorry for interfering with the meeting
[22:15] <bryceh_> jasoncwarner, yeah shame we don't have another 6 months to polish, it seems most issues that I've seen are just basic usability things which probably aren't that hard to fix, just time consuming
[22:15] <TheMuso> thanks
[22:15] <dobey> kenvandine: great, thanks!
[22:16] <bryceh_> like...  this morning for the life of me couldn't figure out how to get to the control center or configuration tools, had to run gnome-control-center from the command line.  Little stuff like that.
[22:16] <gilir> ricotz, is there a changelog since the last one release ? To be sure it's bug fix only :)
[22:17] <jasoncwarner> bryceh_: that should be fixed very soon...that was something I noticed as well.
[22:17] <jasoncwarner> but, yeah.
[22:17] <jasoncwarner> for sure, Natty is going to be fun, but we'll be polishing for 11.10
[22:17] <jasoncwarner> 11.10 should be very, very nice!
[22:19] <ricotz> gilir, yes, it has some greater changes, so it is not quite a bug-fix-only thing, but it is worth a FFe
[22:23] <RAOF> Has anyone else found that they sometimes log in to an entirely blank desktop?
[22:23] <bryceh_> RAOF, like, jus tshowing the background image?
[22:23] <bryceh_> or a black blank screen?
[22:24] <RAOF> Just showing the background image.
[22:24] <bryceh_> yeah
[22:24] <RAOF> And if you attach gdb to things everything seems to be waiting for everything else.
[22:24] <bryceh_> unity --reset I think is the workaround
[22:25] <bryceh_> actually I've not seen that as much lately as I used to, but it seemed to occur 1-2 times every 3 boots
[22:25] <bryceh_> on my i945
[22:26] <RAOF> I was rather hoping to actually fix it :)
[22:26] <bryceh_> RAOF, that would be lovely of course
[22:26] <gilir> ricotz, please open the FFe request, so we can discuss this in the bug report
[22:26] <bryceh_> RAOF, unity has a few debug options that might be more helpful than gdb in this case
[22:26] <bryceh_> (--verbose and --advanced-debug)
[22:27] <ricotz> gilir, ok
[22:27] <gilir> ricotz, lubuntu and xubuntu depend on it, so we need to see the changes before uploading it
[22:28] <ricotz> gilir, will do this tomorrow
[22:28] <charlie-tca> I been using Alt+sysRq+k to reset my desktop and it logs in correctly then second time
[22:46] <tkamppeter> jasoncwarner, hi
[22:49] <hallyn> is this an ok place to ask questions relating to our X stack?
[22:49] <chrisccoulson> w00t, fixed a dbusmenu bug and now have a reproducer for bug 723463
[22:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 723463 in indicator-appmenu "indicator-applet-appmenu crashed with SIGSEGV in dbusmenu_menuitem_send_about_to_show()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/723463
[22:50] <hallyn> when trying to compile open-vm-tools from source, I get failure due to:
[22:51] <hallyn> /usr/include/X11/Xdefs.h:47:13: error: conflicting types for 'Bool'
[22:52] <hallyn> Since it is in the archive I assume that that used to successfully compile, hence Xdefs.h must have changed
[22:55] <hallyn> hm but it hasn't
[22:56] <Ampelbein> hallyn: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3118268&group_id=204462&atid=989708
[22:56] <hallyn> d'oh
[22:56] <ubot2> Ampelbein: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Sourceforge instance at 0x9917eec> bug 3118268 not found
[22:57] <hallyn> Ampelbein: thanks!
[22:57] <Ampelbein> hallyn: no problem. ;-)
[22:57] <chrisccoulson> hallyn, it's generally easier for us to help if you post the full error ;)
[22:59] <hallyn> chrisccoulson: makes sense :)  I was  rather assuming that I there was a well-known change in X stack that would be obvious to everyone.  I was very wrong.
[23:10] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, this might fix some menu weirdness: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/dbusmenu/set-cached-menuitem/+merge/52624
[23:11] <chrisccoulson> that's what is causing my "menu items don't get removed" issue that i've been seeing here today
[23:15] <chrisccoulson> ha
[23:15] <chrisccoulson> it fixes bug 729128 too
[23:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 729128 in indicator-application "gnome-bt "visible" item toggle not working after turning bt off and on" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/729128