| greg-g | hiya all. I was wondering if I could get my LoCo channel logged on irclogs.ubuntu.com | 01:55 |
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| greg-g | my loco channel == #ubuntu-us-mi, of which I am an op and the team admin on LP | 01:55 |
| m4v | greg-g: you need to request ubuntulog with an email to rc@ubuntu.com | 01:56 |
| m4v | greg-g: er, sorry rt@ubuntu.com | 01:57 |
| greg-g | oh, great | 02:00 |
| greg-g | sorry, just bad experiences with rt@ubuntu ;) | 02:01 |
| nhandler | greg-g: They are usually fairly responsive to these emails. If they don't respond in a timely manner, a gentle ping in #canonical-sysadmin can sometimes ehelp | 02:14 |
| greg-g | nhandler: oh hey! aweseome, thanks man. | 02:23 |
| highvoltage | greg-g: rt has also become a lot better over the last few months | 03:23 |
| === MTecknology is now known as MT-TakinBreak | ||
| RocketLauncher | I'm banned from #ubuntu and I don't know why. I only go there when I need help and I don't usually need it. | 09:02 |
| popey | RocketLauncher: join #ubuntu-ops | 09:03 |
| vish | RocketLauncher: #ubuntu-ops is the right place for that problem | 09:04 |
| DJones | I can guess the reason for the ban just looking at the ident | 09:12 |
| Tm_T | yup | 09:12 |
| === k1l_ is now known as k1l | ||
| X3lectric | whee can one bring forward a compliant against user that broke CoC and used profane language | 11:37 |
| X3lectric | amongst other infractions | 11:37 |
| vish | X3lectric: yup, if its on one of the core channels then #ubuntu-ops is the place to discuss it.. else here. | 11:40 |
| X3lectric | yes it was #ubuntu-motu | 11:42 |
| X3lectric | user was https://launchpad.net/~directhex | 11:42 |
| popey | when did this happen? I'm in that channel and can't see the issue | 11:43 |
| X3lectric | not now | 11:43 |
| X3lectric | last night | 11:43 |
| X3lectric | around midnight gmt | 11:43 |
| popey | ah, i see | 11:43 |
| vish | X3lectric: that channel is logged, so maybe look at the logs and mention the time. | 11:43 |
| X3lectric | k wheres the logs and ill tell you | 11:44 |
| vish | X3lectric: the topic has the link | 11:44 |
| vish | this channel's topic.. | 11:45 |
| X3lectric | durh lol | 11:45 |
| * popey is looking at it | 11:45 | |
| Tm_T | interesting discussion there | 11:45 |
| popey | X3lectric: seems like directhex was trying to help you at the start but you didn't answer his questions for more information | 11:48 |
| popey | repeatedly | 11:48 |
| popey | thus leading to his frustration | 11:48 |
| X3lectric | hif you look there where more people involved in conversation | 11:49 |
| popey | yup | 11:49 |
| popey | I saw | 11:49 |
| popey | they seemed to start off by answering your questions and asking for more detail | 11:49 |
| X3lectric | I cant keep up with everyone | 11:49 |
| X3lectric | [01:00] <directhex> X3lectric, NO IT FUCKING ISN'T | 11:49 |
| popey | he asked the same question at least 3 times | 11:49 |
| X3lectric | that is not warranted in any way | 11:50 |
| popey | thats one line of the conversation | 11:50 |
| X3lectric | ok so I take it that can just go off and use progfanity ? | 11:50 |
| X3lectric | i dont think thats what the CoC says | 11:51 |
| popey | again, you were asked 3 times, he even highlighted your nick to make it easy for you to see | 11:51 |
| tsimpson | the CoC says nothing about using profanity, only how we interact with each other | 11:52 |
| popey | yet you refused to answer the questions or pastebin the necessary files to make it easier for _him_ to help _you. | 11:52 |
| X3lectric | ok so that excuses him from whatever? | 11:52 |
| tsimpson | although we discourage in the development channels, it's no against the CoC | 11:52 |
| X3lectric | i didnt refuse I just cant keep up | 11:52 |
| popey | he highlighted your nick 3 times | 11:52 |
| X3lectric | and I dont see highlights | 11:53 |
| popey | you might want to configure your irc client to show highlights | 11:53 |
| popey | we can probably help you with that. | 11:53 |
| popey | which would reduce this frustration in the future | 11:53 |
| Fuchs | you are using mIRC, it should be able to do both backlog and highlights. If you used a different client back then, you might want to configure that one. | 11:53 |
| X3lectric | ok but Im disabled and suffer from sleep deprivation and have quite a lot of troublle concentrating doing trvial stuff | 11:54 |
| X3lectric | what it seems Im hearing is that hes justified to use profanity just because and all is well | 11:54 |
| X3lectric | Im sorry to say Im quite disapointed | 11:55 |
| popey | thats not what I said | 11:55 |
| Tm_T | my opinion is this: there's no excuse for bad behaviour | 11:56 |
| X3lectric | nothing I did or din not do justifies that action | 11:56 |
| X3lectric | Tm_T: indeed | 11:56 |
| Tm_T | X3lectric: that comes to you too, he did ask clearly, you refused to answer | 11:56 |
| Tm_T | if you feel there's too much for you to handle, say it, and others will try to slow down | 11:57 |
| Tm_T | but straight ignoring the attempts to help you is not polite | 11:57 |
| tsimpson | profanity is not forbidden the CoC, it would depend on how it was used | 11:57 |
| Tm_T | that | 11:57 |
| popey | another option is the ubuntu motu mailing list, if IRC moves too fast for you | 11:57 |
| Tm_T | so ye, I would ask directhex to keep his language cleaner, but that's all | 11:58 |
| X3lectric | ? | 11:58 |
| X3lectric | so whos actually in charge of this? | 11:59 |
| Tm_T | X3lectric: did you try to talk to him and sort this out? | 11:59 |
| X3lectric | asked him to take a chill pill | 12:00 |
| popey | I also notice that your issue is currently being discussed in #ubuntu-motu | 12:00 |
| popey | X3lectric: I find that's not helpful when someone is frustrated. | 12:00 |
| X3lectric | either way his action are not excusable | 12:00 |
| popey | I personally think you're blowing this out of all proportion | 12:00 |
| Tm_T | X3lectric: neither is yours | 12:00 |
| X3lectric | er I was frustrated | 12:00 |
| popey | so was he | 12:00 |
| popey | so you both win | 12:01 |
| popey | or lose :) | 12:01 |
| X3lectric | i didnt do anything wrong | 12:01 |
| popey | ok, this is going nowhere | 12:01 |
| X3lectric | i didnt provoke | 12:01 |
| X3lectric | I dindt ask for any of that | 12:01 |
| vish | X3lectric: at times, its just better to forget and forgive.. :) (not defending his actions though) but is it worth your time to spend on his actions? | 12:02 |
| X3lectric | sigh | 12:03 |
| X3lectric | i see whats happening here | 12:03 |
| popey | I honestly don't think you do. | 12:04 |
| X3lectric | its about as fair as akick in the teeth | 12:04 |
| popey | really | 12:04 |
| popey | I mean, really? | 12:04 |
| X3lectric | thats how it feels | 12:04 |
| popey | he said one line that you're massively offended by and you're now taking up the time of 3 other people to talk about this? | 12:04 |
| popey | is it _really_ worth it? | 12:04 |
| X3lectric | yes | 12:04 |
| popey | (Hint: no) | 12:05 |
| popey | move on, get over it and get back to doing good stuff with ubuntu | 12:05 |
| tsimpson | your complaint was that is was a violation of the CoC, but it's not | 12:05 |
| X3lectric | never mind thx | 12:05 |
| tsimpson | next times someone uses that language talking to you, simply ask them to respect that you don't like it | 12:06 |
| X3lectric | well if its this the way it gets handled Ill return in kind, maybe thats better | 12:06 |
| popey | I am happy to have a chat with Jo and ask him to step away from the keyboard next time he gets frustrated. | 12:07 |
| X3lectric | cause I have to keep myself in check despite igorant whatsits | 12:07 |
| popey | would that help? | 12:07 |
| X3lectric | yes pls | 12:07 |
| popey | ok, will do. | 12:07 |
| X3lectric | thats all anyone should do anywhre, getting too much go away and chill out | 12:08 |
| popey | I agree. | 12:08 |
| X3lectric | otherwise it can become a bit of ww3 | 12:09 |
| popey | is that everything? | 12:10 |
| popey | your original complaint was profane language "amongst other infractions", what other infractions did you have in mind? | 12:10 |
| X3lectric | thats not for me to judge | 12:12 |
| popey | eh? | 12:12 |
| popey | you brought it up | 12:12 |
| popey | if there's other stuff we should know about, do let us know. | 12:12 |
| X3lectric | well its all CoC related after re-reading it I didt find any justification for his agressive no catalictic approach | 12:13 |
| popey | ok, so thats the specific instance we're talking about, there's no others outside the conversation you have highlighted? | 12:14 |
| popey | I need to step away from my desk for a moment | 12:14 |
| X3lectric | thats ok thx I need to go relax this is way too stressful | 12:14 |
| X3lectric | by this I mean that guys actions | 12:15 |
| X3lectric | thx again at leats I hope he gets asked to take a look at whats going on and that people have limitations too a bombardemnt of information | 12:16 |
| X3lectric | bye now | 12:16 |
| * popey returns | 12:19 | |
| popey | with a swoooooooooooooooooosh! | 12:19 |
| elky | he, erm, did well to follow the conversation here. | 12:20 |
| vish | tsimpson: wouldnt the "be respectful" section of CoC apply ? it was clearly not just a result of over-joy ;) | 12:32 |
| vish | (if it is a constant issue) | 12:32 |
| tsimpson | vish: if they asked the other person not to use the language, and the other person refused, then it would probably apply there | 12:33 |
| tsimpson | "bad language" is not inherently disrespectful | 12:34 |
| vish | yea, no one in the channel seemed to object, micahg is always quick with the !ohmy | 12:34 |
| popey | it is, after all, just a word | 12:35 |
| popey | and it wasn't directed at him | 12:35 |
| tsimpson | if you have an issue with someone using certain words when speaking to you, the *first* thing you should do is talk to *them* about it | 12:35 |
| popey | it wasnt "You're a fucking idiot", which probably would be somewhat more of a concern :) | 12:35 |
| nigelb | these almost grey areas are confusing. | 12:38 |
| popey | for whom? | 12:39 |
| nigelb | I'll rephrase | 12:41 |
| nigelb | I'm confused by the almost grey areas :D | 12:41 |
| tsimpson | it's not supposed to be a legal document defining in detail each term used in the document | 12:42 |
| tsimpson | some common sense and interpretation is required ;) | 12:42 |
| popey | also, we're talking about human beings here | 12:42 |
| tsimpson | the first thing you should do when you think someone is going again the CoC, is talk to them about it | 12:43 |
| tsimpson | it's not a stick to beat people over the head with | 12:43 |
| tsimpson | ..most of the time | 12:43 |
| tsimpson | s/again/against/ | 12:43 |
| * popey beats tsimpson over the head with his coc | 12:43 | |
| popey | or something | 12:43 |
| * tsimpson backs away | 12:44 | |
| * nigelb wonders when tsimpson said again | 12:44 | |
| tsimpson | nigelb: "...someone is going again the CoC..." | 12:44 |
| nigelb | oh dear | 12:44 |
| nigelb | I'm going blind | 12:45 |
| nigelb | or something | 12:45 |
| nigelb | oh right. No glasses today. :\ | 12:45 |
| * popey moves irc a little bit further away from nigelb | 12:45 | |
| * nigelb gets the CoC ready to beat popey over the head with. | 12:46 | |
| * Pici blinks, and switches to another channel | 12:47 | |
| vish | wheeeeee! netsplits!!!!! :D | 12:47 |
| nhandler | This isn't the first time we have had a long discussion about this. A nice blog post about this topic might prove helpful (especially if it comes from the CC) | 12:49 |
| * nigelb looks at popey | 12:49 | |
| popey | not a chance | 12:51 |
| popey | maybe a tweet :) | 12:52 |
| popey | /tweet Dear Internet, Saying the word F*** does not make you in violation of the #ubuntu Code of Conduct, Love CC. | 12:53 |
| popey | ^^ like that | 12:53 |
| vish | popey: and that tweet would probably be a bookmark for future references ;) | 12:54 |
| vish | bookmark for others* | 12:55 |
| nhandler | s/not/not necessarily/ | 13:02 |
| popey | good mod | 13:06 |
| popey | any further changes welcome :) | 13:06 |
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| === McPeter_ is now known as McPeter | ||
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