[01:55] hiya all. I was wondering if I could get my LoCo channel logged on irclogs.ubuntu.com [01:55] my loco channel == #ubuntu-us-mi, of which I am an op and the team admin on LP [01:56] greg-g: you need to request ubuntulog with an email to rc@ubuntu.com [01:57] greg-g: er, sorry rt@ubuntu.com [02:00] oh, great [02:01] sorry, just bad experiences with rt@ubuntu ;) [02:14] greg-g: They are usually fairly responsive to these emails. If they don't respond in a timely manner, a gentle ping in #canonical-sysadmin can sometimes ehelp [02:23] nhandler: oh hey! aweseome, thanks man. [03:23] greg-g: rt has also become a lot better over the last few months === MTecknology is now known as MT-TakinBreak [09:02] I'm banned from #ubuntu and I don't know why. I only go there when I need help and I don't usually need it. [09:03] RocketLauncher: join #ubuntu-ops [09:04] RocketLauncher: #ubuntu-ops is the right place for that problem [09:12] I can guess the reason for the ban just looking at the ident [09:12] yup === k1l_ is now known as k1l [11:37] whee can one bring forward a compliant against user that broke CoC and used profane language [11:37] amongst other infractions [11:40] X3lectric: yup, if its on one of the core channels then #ubuntu-ops is the place to discuss it.. else here. [11:42] yes it was #ubuntu-motu [11:42] user was https://launchpad.net/~directhex [11:43] when did this happen? I'm in that channel and can't see the issue [11:43] not now [11:43] last night [11:43] around midnight gmt [11:43] ah, i see [11:43] X3lectric: that channel is logged, so maybe look at the logs and mention the time. [11:44] k wheres the logs and ill tell you [11:44] X3lectric: the topic has the link [11:45] this channel's topic.. [11:45] durh lol [11:45] * popey is looking at it [11:45] interesting discussion there [11:48] X3lectric: seems like directhex was trying to help you at the start but you didn't answer his questions for more information [11:48] repeatedly [11:48] thus leading to his frustration [11:49] hif you look there where more people involved in conversation [11:49] yup [11:49] I saw [11:49] they seemed to start off by answering your questions and asking for more detail [11:49] I cant keep up with everyone [11:49] [01:00] X3lectric, NO IT FUCKING ISN'T [11:49] he asked the same question at least 3 times [11:50] that is not warranted in any way [11:50] thats one line of the conversation [11:50] ok so I take it that can just go off and use progfanity ? [11:51] i dont think thats what the CoC says [11:51] again, you were asked 3 times, he even highlighted your nick to make it easy for you to see [11:52] the CoC says nothing about using profanity, only how we interact with each other [11:52] yet you refused to answer the questions or pastebin the necessary files to make it easier for _him_ to help _you. [11:52] ok so that excuses him from whatever? [11:52] although we discourage in the development channels, it's no against the CoC [11:52] i didnt refuse I just cant keep up [11:52] he highlighted your nick 3 times [11:53] and I dont see highlights [11:53] you might want to configure your irc client to show highlights [11:53] we can probably help you with that. [11:53] which would reduce this frustration in the future [11:53] you are using mIRC, it should be able to do both backlog and highlights. If you used a different client back then, you might want to configure that one. [11:54] ok but Im disabled and suffer from sleep deprivation and have quite a lot of troublle concentrating doing trvial stuff [11:54] what it seems Im hearing is that hes justified to use profanity just because and all is well [11:55] Im sorry to say Im quite disapointed [11:55] thats not what I said [11:56] my opinion is this: there's no excuse for bad behaviour [11:56] nothing I did or din not do justifies that action [11:56] Tm_T: indeed [11:56] X3lectric: that comes to you too, he did ask clearly, you refused to answer [11:57] if you feel there's too much for you to handle, say it, and others will try to slow down [11:57] but straight ignoring the attempts to help you is not polite [11:57] profanity is not forbidden the CoC, it would depend on how it was used [11:57] that [11:57] another option is the ubuntu motu mailing list, if IRC moves too fast for you [11:58] so ye, I would ask directhex to keep his language cleaner, but that's all [11:58] ? [11:59] so whos actually in charge of this? [11:59] X3lectric: did you try to talk to him and sort this out? [12:00] asked him to take a chill pill [12:00] I also notice that your issue is currently being discussed in #ubuntu-motu [12:00] X3lectric: I find that's not helpful when someone is frustrated. [12:00] either way his action are not excusable [12:00] I personally think you're blowing this out of all proportion [12:00] X3lectric: neither is yours [12:00] er I was frustrated [12:00] so was he [12:01] so you both win [12:01] or lose :) [12:01] i didnt do anything wrong [12:01] ok, this is going nowhere [12:01] i didnt provoke [12:01] I dindt ask for any of that [12:02] X3lectric: at times, its just better to forget and forgive.. :) (not defending his actions though) but is it worth your time to spend on his actions? [12:03] sigh [12:03] i see whats happening here [12:04] I honestly don't think you do. [12:04] its about as fair as akick in the teeth [12:04] really [12:04] I mean, really? [12:04] thats how it feels [12:04] he said one line that you're massively offended by and you're now taking up the time of 3 other people to talk about this? [12:04] is it _really_ worth it? [12:04] yes [12:05] (Hint: no) [12:05] move on, get over it and get back to doing good stuff with ubuntu [12:05] your complaint was that is was a violation of the CoC, but it's not [12:05] never mind thx [12:06] next times someone uses that language talking to you, simply ask them to respect that you don't like it [12:06] well if its this the way it gets handled Ill return in kind, maybe thats better [12:07] I am happy to have a chat with Jo and ask him to step away from the keyboard next time he gets frustrated. [12:07] cause I have to keep myself in check despite igorant whatsits [12:07] would that help? [12:07] yes pls [12:07] ok, will do. [12:08] thats all anyone should do anywhre, getting too much go away and chill out [12:08] I agree. [12:09] otherwise it can become a bit of ww3 [12:10] is that everything? [12:10] your original complaint was profane language "amongst other infractions", what other infractions did you have in mind? [12:12] thats not for me to judge [12:12] eh? [12:12] you brought it up [12:12] if there's other stuff we should know about, do let us know. [12:13] well its all CoC related after re-reading it I didt find any justification for his agressive no catalictic approach [12:14] ok, so thats the specific instance we're talking about, there's no others outside the conversation you have highlighted? [12:14] I need to step away from my desk for a moment [12:14] thats ok thx I need to go relax this is way too stressful [12:15] by this I mean that guys actions [12:16] thx again at leats I hope he gets asked to take a look at whats going on and that people have limitations too a bombardemnt of information [12:16] bye now [12:19] * popey returns [12:19] with a swoooooooooooooooooosh! [12:20] he, erm, did well to follow the conversation here. [12:32] tsimpson: wouldnt the "be respectful" section of CoC apply ? it was clearly not just a result of over-joy ;) [12:32] (if it is a constant issue) [12:33] vish: if they asked the other person not to use the language, and the other person refused, then it would probably apply there [12:34] "bad language" is not inherently disrespectful [12:34] yea, no one in the channel seemed to object, micahg is always quick with the !ohmy [12:35] it is, after all, just a word [12:35] and it wasn't directed at him [12:35] if you have an issue with someone using certain words when speaking to you, the *first* thing you should do is talk to *them* about it [12:35] it wasnt "You're a fucking idiot", which probably would be somewhat more of a concern :) [12:38] these almost grey areas are confusing. [12:39] for whom? [12:41] I'll rephrase [12:41] I'm confused by the almost grey areas :D [12:42] it's not supposed to be a legal document defining in detail each term used in the document [12:42] some common sense and interpretation is required ;) [12:42] also, we're talking about human beings here [12:43] the first thing you should do when you think someone is going again the CoC, is talk to them about it [12:43] it's not a stick to beat people over the head with [12:43] ..most of the time [12:43] s/again/against/ [12:43] * popey beats tsimpson over the head with his coc [12:43] or something [12:44] * tsimpson backs away [12:44] * nigelb wonders when tsimpson said again [12:44] nigelb: "...someone is going again the CoC..." [12:44] oh dear [12:45] I'm going blind [12:45] or something [12:45] oh right. No glasses today. :\ [12:45] * popey moves irc a little bit further away from nigelb [12:46] * nigelb gets the CoC ready to beat popey over the head with. [12:47] * Pici blinks, and switches to another channel [12:47] wheeeeee! netsplits!!!!! :D [12:49] This isn't the first time we have had a long discussion about this. A nice blog post about this topic might prove helpful (especially if it comes from the CC) [12:49] * nigelb looks at popey [12:51] not a chance [12:52] maybe a tweet :) [12:53] /tweet Dear Internet, Saying the word F*** does not make you in violation of the #ubuntu Code of Conduct, Love CC. [12:53] ^^ like that [12:54] popey: and that tweet would probably be a bookmark for future references ;) [12:55] bookmark for others* [13:02] s/not/not necessarily/ [13:06] good mod [13:06] any further changes welcome :) === MT-TakinBreak is now known as MTecknology === McPeter_ is now known as McPeter